Kissinger, US intelligence community endorse “World Without Israel”

[ThePythonicCow]

From Iran's Press TV:




Henry Kissinger and sixteen American intelligence agencies agree that in the near future, Israel will no longer exist.

The New York Post quotes Kissinger “word for word”: In 10 years, there will be no more Israel (http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/cindy_adams/no_more_israel_h4kjPIab5EtBjAxsWoFYoO?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite).

Kissinger's statement is flat and unqualified. He is not saying that Israel is in danger, but could be saved if we just gave it additional trillions of dollars and smashed enough of its enemies with our military. He is not saying that if we elect Netanyahu's old friend Mitt Romney, Israel could somehow be salvaged. He is not saying that if we bomb Iran, Israel might survive. He is not offering a way out. He is simply stating a fact: In 2022, Israel will no longer exist.

The US Intelligence Community agrees, though perhaps not on the precise 2022 expiration date. Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have issued an 82-page analysis titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.”

More at Kissinger, US intelligence community endorse “World Without Israel” (Press TV; Sep 30, 2012) (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/30/264323/kissinger-intel-community-accept-israels-end/)

[Rocky_Shorz]

with the way things are going for Iran, they'll finish the Nuke just in time for Israel to disappear... DOH!!!

might as well drop the attempt, and wait 10 more years without having to put up with Sanctions.

[Snoweagle]

Kissingers statement does not imply the eradication of the state of Israel in its self though could be construed as an indication of change. What kind of change should be of concern to us.
Afterall, we are still facing the prospect of world war, plague and pestilence purported to be inflicted on humanity by Zionist corporations from the industrial military complex, pharmaceutical and genetically modified food products driven by the financial overseer warlords of the Elite.

Until the Georgia Guidestones are demolished with grand global pomp and circumstance then I fail to see anything productive in this statement taken at face value.

We should review this statement merely as a desperate claim to the timescale put on the genocidal plans to come to fruition. In that, we can expect massive disruption in the western world of such calamity that all else in recorded history pales into insignificance.

Henry Kissinger is Jewish. His Phd extolled the Jewish deceit portraying the methodology of the Protocols of Zion to infiltrate all forms of governance, industry and commerce to maintain totalitarian control which we see all across the globe. The western governments, the UN, the EU and the like are heavily mentored by Zionist influence. And now it is common knowledge that the Rothschild are the main instigators to this madness. (you can bet the French Rothschilds leveraged the recent decision to reduce spending by 30bn on welfare benefits and increase war fund investment by 30bn, no doubt to the consternation of the French public).

Whatever happens within the next ten years is irrelevant as the Zionists will continue, for a thousand years if necessary, in their phucked up crusade for global dominance. What we are witnessing now, in my opinion, is just a taster for what is about to pass.

Lets be absolutely clear what Zionism is, all the Global Royal Elite and Freemasonry. Jewry are the secular slaves to the pardigm of elitism.

So all in all, Kissingers statement is an announcement that the time line has changed and will now be assaulted once again during the next ten years. We will never have any peace until we the people stand up and contest the vile statutory platforms that Zionism ensnares us.

[Cidersomerset]

Lets be absolutely clear what Zionism is, all the Global Royal Elite and Freemasonry. Jewry are the secular slaves to the pardigm of elitism.

I thought the idea was to re establish Israel, rebuild Solomons temple 'Zion' only to be destroyed in the rapture as per revolations,
and these Zionist elites were playing this out as a major drama to satify their blood/power lust at humanities expence !!

Or is that over simplifying it , and if the agenda is near what Kissinger is reffering to Israel and the middle east may have gone up
in flame in a nuclear armageddon by 2022..

Which is basically what you are reffering to I think. Snow eagle

[avid]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/30/post-israel-82-page-report-bogus-mossad-psyop/

“Post Israel” 82 Page Report Bogus Mossad Psyop from Veterans Today.
BTW - Henry Kissinger is a dual Israeli/USA passport holder.....


Since the debacle for Israel at the UN meeting, the “Wylie Coyote” Netanyahu presentation, the failed “walkout” during Ahmadinejahd’s speech and the Obama “thumbs down” on “red line” demands, Israel has turned to its long list of infiltrators to attempt to salvage World War III and Mitt Romney.
First of all, the stories about a secret 82 pages report on titled: Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East, is a false flag. There is only one format for such a document and that is a “National Intelligence Assessment.” No such request has been made, no assessment received by any source and there is no client for such a document. The answer is simple, this is a “con.”

much more on link....

[ThePythonicCow]

First of all, the stories about a secret 82 pages report on titled: Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East, is a false flag. There is only one format for such a document and that is a “National Intelligence Assessment.” No such request has been made, no assessment received by any source and there is no client for such a document. The answer is simple, this is a “con.”
If true, and it may well be, the above is important.

It casts doubt on the reports of an 82-page analysis titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East”.

I have noticed that www.veteranstoday.com, the source of this analysis, is a fairly reliable supporter of Obama and opponent of the Zionists of Israel. I tend to want a "pox on both their houses", so trust veteranstoday for opposing Zionism, but doubt them for supporting Obama.

About the only thing that seems clear to me in this mess so far is that there is a major split over this, and that likely most of what we're being told either way is propaganda.

As to whether this pro vs anti Zionist conflict is yet another staged divide and conquer manipulation by some über elitists behind the scenes, or whether it represents a genuine division in those elitists (or both!) ... that I wish I knew, but I've no idea.

[sigma6]

In court cases there is a lot of communication by hidden signals, and eye contact and certain 'understandings'. The prosecutor is like the catcher in baseball, cuing the judge/magistrate (pitcher) But I have also seen in some cases where the party making an appearance is gaining an upper hand and the court is losing control, they will start to speak out to each other, out of desperation to keep up, and you will hear unbelievable things, which confirm many of the things that we study... for example I have heard the prosecutor state to a flabberghasted judge (she was speechless) "your honour your silence is agreement!..." (hint, hint...) or the judge said out loud to a clerk, "you have to put down 'Larry' (name provided, even though it wasn't on the Birth Certificate), etc, all kinds of things which exposed their hand if you had done any previous research on it...

Anyway my point is, everything is a sophisticated 'game' where public communication is but one level, but when things move too fast (like is happening today) they will fall back on just shouting out to each other, and this may be something like that... a 'shout out' saying "hey, if we don't get our act into gear, this is where it is heading... respond!..." So we are witnessing what appears to be a lot of unusual events, news, incidences that appear to make 'no sense'... consider these 'cracks' in their elaborate schemes, and look closer, with a discerning eye... it means we are getting to them, money isn't the solution to everything, speed of thought is what rules the day...

[Snoweagle]

The Global Elite are descendants of the Pharoahs.
The Phararonic Priests were the "secret government" which manifests today as Freemasonry on a global scale.
Judaism was created during the Exodus during which the twelve tribes "stole" the Ark of the Covenant.
This defines the relationship for the last 3000yrs

Solomons Temple was a copy of the temple built by Pharoah Akhenaten in the magnificent "new" city of Akhet-Aten established to satisfy those who chose to worship one god. It was from this city eventually the population were evicted on their "exodus". Judaism did not exist as we know it at that time. This started the Exodus. The Pharaoh agreed they could have their own land somewhere else but effectively not in Egypt of the time. This is the basis of the Jewish claim to promised land nonsense.

So off they go into the desert, the brother of Moses, Aaron who commanded one of the armies of Pharaoh escorted the hundreds of thousands on their journey but they had to wait around, as the land they wanted, belonged to someone else and the military of the Pharaoh was weak at that time to conquest it. Anyway the Pharaoh dies, so twelve tribes and a bunch of pharonic priests who were also on the exodus after "converting" went with them to pay forty days homage. During which, the 12 tribes stole the Ark of the Covenant (a very powerful super conductor that Khufu had removed during excavations into the pyramid a thousand years earlier) and ran back into the desert. The next forty years birthed Judaism and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It also birthed modern day Western written language, without which no contract would exist.

When Solomons temple was built in Jerusalem the Ark was hidden in its secret chambers later to be found by the Templars and returned to Europe and now resides in Switzerland. The Elites haven. So you can see how the circle of power and influence has come around to the events of today. And you can see the relationship and dependance on each other these three groups have which forms the background of our political global climate that impacts us today.

In 2016 is the super anniversary of Solomons temple. On secular Jewish websites you will find reference to "Coming out parties" celebrating something in the future. Personally have no idea to what that refers but speculation will be rife. You tube is full of crappy lies regarding this relationship and the history of Egypt all extolling Judaism as "Heaven sent". Which is the biggest LIE. This lie exists to keep Christians and Muslims fighting each other whilst the aforementioned triad claim ownership to EVERYTHING.

Kissinger is probably very correct in that statement. It may have been a global broadcast or secret message (just as the British did to the French resistance) advising current plans are being "rethought" and await new instructions covering the next ten years.

With regard rebuilding a new Solomons Temple. I believe would be testament to ALL of mankinds stupidity, especially Judaism.

Israel is a manifestation of a LIE purported by a mass murderer and his supporters and promulgated throughout history by enforced doctrine. The Elite know this, so why would they endorse such evil to thrive when they have always despised their very existence and what they have stood for. Israel has been a tool to distract the religious fervour away from the crimes the Elite. And even Jewry has fallen for it. The ULTIMATE BETRAYAL of all would be the Elites eradicating Israel.

Of course I will be considered a loon for this post so I recommend you read the following:
Book Title: Sabbah - Secrets of the Exodus - The Egyptian Origins of the Hebrew people
Authors: Messod and Roger Sabbah
Endorsed by: Rabbi marc Alain Ouaknim, interview in Evenement de France Soir, October 28, 2000

and also watch the following documentary of a great late researcher Laurence Gardner: Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark.

So Cidersomerset in answer to your question, yes, it is over simplifying things. The Elite now head the United Nations. The Copenhagen global climate contract failed and they are pissed. Israel still has a role to play to deflect attention away from the UN so maybe Israel has a stay of execution until WE are annihilated first. I do not know. The political chessboard will be redefined and maybe the ten years is its scope. Either way the background I have presented is by far the best representation of the truth which drives these BASTARDS than you will ever achieve reading the evil of the Bible, Koran or the Torah.

[mountain_jim]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/09/30/post-israel-82-page-report-bogus-mossad-psyop/

“Post Israel” 82 Page Report Bogus Mossad Psyop from Veterans Today.
BTW - Henry Kissinger is a dual Israeli/USA passport holder.....


Since the debacle for Israel at the UN meeting, the “Wylie Coyote” Netanyahu presentation, the failed “walkout” during Ahmadinejahd’s speech and the Obama “thumbs down” on “red line” demands, Israel has turned to its long list of infiltrators to attempt to salvage World War III and Mitt Romney.
First of all, the stories about a secret 82 pages report on titled: Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East, is a false flag. There is only one format for such a document and that is a “National Intelligence Assessment.” No such request has been made, no assessment received by any source and there is no client for such a document. The answer is simple, this is a “con.”

much more on link....

Thanks for this link. I missed this update, as it was at VT that I first heard of this supposed report.

I was unaware they had redefined it as a false-flag type operation. So many threads related to this scattered around that I have now contradicted myself a time or two as my awareness shifts with each new bit of info.

[Cidersomerset]

Of course I will be considered a loon for this post so I recommend you read the following:

No you won't alot of what you say i have come across from various sources , Its putting the final pieces of the puzzle together
which is difficult especially as they can change the picture/agenda/timescale as they go along.

What is being exposed is these geopoltitcal groups exist at all and have such ancient roots, possibly going further back
than the pharoahs .

[Snoweagle]

Yes I absolutely agree Cider. It does go back further; could tell you heaps more but wasted whilst we have these religious bigots and fundamentalists blocking good reason and understanding.

If only we could put down the religious scripts for five minutes and pay attention to truth, the hidden truth and broadcast this worldwide then we WILL make a difference. Gaia would be beautiful again.

Alas, peer fear prevents this so we have to keep pounding away with all the collateral damage that brings.

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for this link. I missed this update, as it was at VT that I first heard of this supposed report.

I was unaware they had redefined it as a false-flag type operation. So many threads related to this scattered around that I have now contradicted myself a time or two as my awareness shifts with each new bit of info.
Veterans Today has redefined this 82 page report as a false flag operation by Mossad intended to scare up Jewish support for Romney ... that doesn't mean that Veterans Today is right in doing so ... or that they are wrong :).

I think I had better abstain from final judgement on this "82 page World Without Israel report" for now. I can't tell yet which 90% of what I'm hearing is B.S.

[mountain_jim]

Yes Paul, VT publishes a very interesting and confounding set of information.

For me to try and get a handle on what's true (or possibly true) and just who's interests they are serving at various times is not possible at this point.

I do get that one of their main focuses is to counter the historically damaging Mossad/Israel/neocon influence over the US political system, media, and military.

[syrwong]

I remember LS said that Israel would be sacrificed in a future great war. That seemed so improbable, given that it has plenty of mighty arms in the arsenal, and the support of the superpower. Now with these unqualified words of Kissinger, this is becoming so probable!

[161803398]

I am usually the one to come out and say Obama is a complete puppet and probably a psychopath. But in the last month, I've been asking questions because he has been doing and saying things that I agree with and this is confusing. Of course, I don't read western news. For one thing, it was reported in the Syrian news, that Obama had promised to shut down Netan"yahoo"'s "noise" about Iran. While I don't actually believe much that Obama says, this comment seemed to be consistent with some of his actions. I see Obama as one who is trying very hard not to get his head blown off but he may be also trying to gather his forces together. The military establishment in the US, the CIA and the FBI have known since the beginning that the Zionazis were involved in 9/11 but no one can come out and say that. Everyone remembers what happened to Kennedy, of course.

[GrnEggsNHam]

Everyone remembers what happened to Kennedy, of course.
The youth weren't(still aren't) given factual information about this event. I know because I was one of these youth(s)...

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I am usually the one to come out and say Obama is a complete puppet and probably a psychopath. But in the last month, I've been asking questions because he has been doing and saying things that I agree with and this is confusing. Of course, I don't read western news. For one thing, it was reported in the Syrian news, that Obama had promised to shut down Netan"yahoo"'s "noise" about Iran. While I don't actually believe much that Obama says, this comment seemed to be consistent with some of his actions. I see Obama as one who is trying very hard not to get his head blown off but he may be also trying to gather his forces together. The military establishment in the US, the CIA and the FBI have known since the beginning that the Zionazis were involved in 9/11 but no one can come out and say that. Everyone remembers what happened to Kennedy, of course.

It's difficult to know what's in Obama's heart, since he has such a checkered past, it would be easy for the PTB to keep him in control through threats to out some of it. And, he is a great campaigner. But remember how many of his campaign promises he broke last time. He actually broke two before he was even elected. (said he wasn't going to take any corporate $$ and he did (Goldeman Sachs was his 2nd biggest contributor, which in my mind explains why he immediately appointed Geitner as our Treasurer - Geitner was a Republican with Goldman Sachs and Fed Reserve ties ); also Obama said he would vote against the bill that gave AT&T and others the right to listen to our phone calls - and he didn't). Soooooo, why would we believe anything he said this time?

I'm not a Romney fan either and would never vote for him. IMO they're both puppets. That being said, one never knows when an elected official might 'see the light' and really begin to work for humanity. I try to keep space for a miracle. Unfortunately in so many of our elections we are only voting for the lessor of two evils. Many are abstaining for this reason.

As for Israel, IMO it was established for a reason (to keep unrest in the Middle East) and if and when it no longer is serving a purpose - or if it gets out of the control (which it seems to be) of TPTB, it will be either be diminished in power or removed. One of the main boulevards in Tel Aviv is named Rothchild Blvd - that should tell us something.

All this being said, let's not confuse the Israeli people with the government.

[avid]

Everyone remembers what happened to Kennedy, of course.
The youth weren't(still aren't) given factual information about this event. I know because I was one of these youth(s)...
Kennedy tried to stop the banksters, and the technological secrecy, and just after his speech on those subjects - he was murdered. He wanted to be open and honest, and to uphold the constitution.... his VP was delighted as he was a co-conspirator in Kennedy's demise. Jacqueline Kennedy was terrified of the 'opposing forces' and knew it was an 'inside job'. Long story - loads on Google...

[161803398]

Kennedy broke away from his masters. He was intended to be a puppet but he stopped bobbing up and down and started trying to solve real problems. He also demanded an inspection of Dimona: http://ironlight.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/kennedy-dimona-and-israels-deadly-secrets/

The only reasons why I believe it might be true that the American government has taken this position on Israel is that in the past month I read in the Syrian news that Obama had promised to ignore Netan"yahoo"'s "noise". This seemed to be consistent because I know he dislikes Netan"yahoo". Its also consistent with what I understand to be some of his political beliefs and some of his actions.

Also, I know that there are people in the military, the CIA and the FBI who know perfectly well that Mossad was involved in 9/11. But who could say that at the time without getting their head blown off?

I also believe this because its logical. It is the answer to many problems in the US, right now. America cannot go on being led around by its nose by Zionazis who are, obviously to me anyway, trying to destroy it or take it over. If I can see that; certainly the US military and the US government can see that. Also, it has seemed to me, for some time now, that it is possible that Obama might be saying nice doggie until he could get a big stick.

I don't know what the big stick is but part of it might be public opinion. If anyone recalls, in Canada, at least, our Zionazi PM Harper, wouldn't tolerate anyone defending Palestine. Our ZioNazi news wouldn't publish a word about Palestine. Anyone who said anything positive about Palestine was "anti-semitic". People are a little more educated now.

I am not all that happy about the Moslem Brotherhood BUT I am advised by people in Egypt, at least, that they will deal with this themselves.

[avid]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/02/real-middle-east-analysis-not-authorized-for-release/

An investigation done by independent intelligence organizations made up of former CIA, Army Intelligence and FBI personnel as published on June 18, 2010, discovered a plot between Israel, Georgia, Turkey and Azerbaijan to attack Iran.
At that time, Israeli planes were training in Turkey on terrain meant to simulate Iran. Israel would send over 8 planes at a time and 6 would return. Sources report that two would fly to Azerbaijan where Israel now occupies two former Soviet fighter bases.
Israel was building a secret air force in Azerbaijan. That “secret air force” is now no longer secret, it is public knowledge but few know its history or the threat to world peace this irresponsible act represents.
The bases were supplied through the Georgian port of Poti with cluster and bunker-buster bombs being delivered beginning June 10, 2010. Units of the Russian Navy observed the deliveries and reported the incident to a world press that suppressed the story. The ship delivering the illegal arms were flagged American, the USS Grapple.
In consultation with intelligence operatives, it was found that the USS Grapple had been leased to Germany who had then allowed Israel to use it to deliver bombs to the Black Sea port under American naval identity.
much much more on link - eye-opening stuff!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was tossed out on the street by my Jewish Masters yesterday...

you're on your own Israel, I will not raise a sword for you any longer...

I will not allow America to fight your wars against my people, the Gentiles...


if Iran had 1000 nukes right now, they would never launch on the Palestinians...

[GrnEggsNHam]

Everyone remembers what happened to Kennedy, of course.
The youth weren't(still aren't) given factual information about this event. I know because I was one of these youth(s)...
Kennedy tried to stop the banksters, and the technological secrecy, and just after his speech on those subjects - he was murdered. He wanted to be open and honest, and to uphold the constitution.... his VP was delighted as he was a co-conspirator in Kennedy's demise. Jacqueline Kennedy was terrified of the 'opposing forces' and knew it was an 'inside job'. Long story - loads on Google...

I was not asking for a synopsis but thank you anyways :). I wanted to point out that many of the younger generations now coming into adulthood were not given the facts of events happening during their pre-teen or years prior to their existence. The JFK event is just one of the many events that have been distorted or completely fabricated by the American education system. It took me a long time to realize this and do my own investigating. I should also point out that while doing research online is fine. You can never have too many reciprocating data sources, as material is becoming easier and easier to falsify. Please(I am speaking to individuals doing their own research) do not believe 100% the first couple of data points that match up on the Internet. Take your time and get as many sources as you can. I myself still feel I am lacking appropriate sources to solidify the information I've compiled.

[Cidersomerset]

It looks like something is being planned !!


Insight: Azerbaijan eyes aiding Israel against Iran
By Thomas Grove | Reuters – Mon, Oct 1, 2012
http://insecureiran.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/download1.jpg?w=590


Israeli air force jets fly in formation during a rehearsal for Israel’s Independence Day over the president’s residence in Jerusalem in this April 16, 2010 file photo. Azerbaijan, the oil-rich ex-Soviet republic on Iran’s far northern border, has, say local sources with knowledge of its military policy, explored with Israel how Azeri air bases and spy drones might help Israeli jets pull off a long-range attack.
Credit: Reuters/Baz Ratner/Files

BAKU (Reuters) - Israel's "go-it-alone" option to attack Iran's nuclear sites has set the Middle East on edge and unsettled its main ally at the height of a U.S. presidential election campaign.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu exudes impatience, saying Tehran is barely a year from a "red line" for atomic capacity. Many fellow Israelis, however, fear a unilateral strike, lacking U.S. forces, would fail against such a large and distant enemy.

But what if, even without Washington, Israel were not alone?

Azerbaijan, the oil-rich ex-Soviet republic on Iran's far northern border, has, say local sources with knowledge of its military policy, explored with Israel how Azeri air bases and spy drones might help Israeli jets pull off a long-range attack.

That is a far cry from the massive firepower and diplomatic cover that Netanyahu wants from Washington. But, by addressing key weaknesses in any Israeli war plan - notably on refueling, reconnaissance and rescuing crews - such an alliance might tilt Israeli thinking on the feasibility of acting without U.S. help.

It could also have violent side-effects more widely and many doubt Azeri President Ilham Aliyev would risk harming the energy industry on which his wealth depends, or provoking Islamists who dream of toppling his dynasty, in pursuit of favor from Israel.

Yet despite official denials by Azerbaijan and Israel, two Azeri former military officers with links to serving personnel and two Russian intelligence sources all told Reuters that Azerbaijan and Israel have been looking at how Azeri bases and intelligence could serve in a possible strike on Iran.

"Where planes would fly from - from here, from there, to where? - that's what's being planned now," a security consultant with contacts at Azeri defense headquarters in Baku said. "The Israelis ... would like to gain access to bases in Azerbaijan."

"ICEBERG" RELATIONSHIP

That Aliyev, an autocratic ally of Western governments and oil firms, has become a rare Muslim friend of the Jewish state - and an object of scorn in Tehran - is no secret; a $1.6-billion arms deal involving dozens of Israeli drones, and Israel's thirst for Azerbaijan's Caspian Sea crude, are well documented.

Israel's foreign minister visited Baku in April this year.

But a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable from 2009 quoted Aliyev, who succeeded his father in 2003, describing relations with Israel as "like an iceberg, nine tenths ... below the surface".

That he would risk the wrath of his powerful neighbor by helping wage war on Iran is, however, something his aides flatly deny; wider consequences would also be hard to calculate from military action in a region where Azerbaijan's "frozen" conflict with Armenia is just one of many elements of volatility and where major powers from Turkey, Iran and Russia to the United States, western Europe and even China all jockey for influence.

Nonetheless, Rasim Musabayov, an independent Azeri lawmaker and a member of parliament's foreign affairs committee, said that, while he had no definitive information, he understood that Azerbaijan would probably feature in any Israeli plans against Iran, at least as a contingency for refueling its attack force:

"Israel has a problem in that if it is going to bomb Iran, its nuclear sites, it lacks refueling," Musabayov told Reuters.

"I think their plan includes some use of Azerbaijan access.

"We have (bases) fully equipped with modern navigation, anti-aircraft defenses and personnel trained by Americans and if necessary they can be used without any preparations," he added.

U.S. CONCERNS

The administration of U.S. President Barack Obama has made clear it does not welcome Israel's occasional talk of war and that it prefers diplomacy and economic sanctions to deflect an Iranian nuclear program that Tehran denies has military uses.

Having also invested in Azerbaijan's defenses and facilities used by U.S. forces in transit to Afghanistan, Washington also seems unlikely to cheer Aliyev joining any action against Iran.

The Azeri president's team insist that that will not happen.

"No third country can use Azerbaijan to perpetrate an attack on Iran. All this talk is just speculation," said Reshad Karimov from Aliyev's staff. He was echoing similar denials issued in Baku and from Israel when the journal Foreign Policy quoted U.S. officials in March voicing alarm that Azeri-Israeli action could thwart U.S. diplomacy toward Iran and across the Caucasus.

Israeli officials dismiss talk of Azeri collaboration in any attack on Iran but decline public comment on specific details.

Even speaking privately, few Israeli officials will discuss the issue. Those who do are skeptical, saying overt use of Azeri bases by Israel would provoke too many hostile reactions. One political source did, however, say flying unmarked tanker aircraft out of Azerbaijan to extend the range and payloads of an Israeli bombing force might play a part in Israeli planning.

Though denying direct knowledge of current military thinking on Iran, the Israeli said one possibility might be "landing a refueling plane there, made to look like a civilian airliner, so it could later take off to rendezvous mid-air with IAF jets".

A thousand miles separates Tehran and Tel Aviv, putting much of Iran beyond the normal ranges of Israel's U.S.-made F-16 bombers and their F-15 escorts. So refueling could be critical.

INTELLIGENCE COOPERATION

There is far from unanimity among Israeli leaders about the likelihood of any strike on Iran's nuclear plants, whether in a wider, U.S.-led operation or not. Netanyahu's "red line" speech to the United Nations last week was seen by many in Israel as making any strike on Iran unlikely - for at least a few months.

Many, however, also assume Israel has long spied on and even sabotaged what the Western powers say are plans for atomic weapons which Israel says would threaten its very existence.

A second Israeli political source called the idea of Azerbaijan being either launch pad or landing ground for Israeli aircraft "ludicrous" - but agreed with the first source that it was fair to assume joint Israeli-Azeri intelligence operations.

The Azeri sources said such cooperation was established.

As part of last year's arms deal, Azerbaijan is building up to 60 Israeli-designed drones, giving it reconnaissance means far greater than many analysts believe would be needed just to guard oil installations or even to mount any operations against the breakaway, ethnic Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh.

"With these drones, (Israel) can indirectly watch what's happening in Iran, while we protect our borders," legislator Musabayov said - a view shared by Azeri former military sources.

Less reserved than Israeli officials, the sources in Azerbaijan and in Russian intelligence, which keeps a close eye on its former Soviet backyard, said Baku could offer Israel much more, however - though none believed any deal was yet settled.

The country, home to nine million people whose language is close to Turkish and who mostly share the Shi'ite Muslim faith of Iran, has four ex-Soviet air bases that could be suitable for Israeli jets, the Azeri sources said. They named central Kyurdamir, Gyanja in the west and Nasosny and Gala in the east.

The Pentagon says it helped upgrade Nasosny airfield for NATO use. It also uses Azeri commercial facilities in transit to Afghanistan. But U.S. military aid to Azerbaijan is limited by Washington's role as a mediator in its dispute with Armenia.

One of the sources with links to the Azeri military said: "There is not a single official base of the United States and even less so of Israel on the territory of Azerbaijan. But that is 'officially'. Unofficially they exist, and they may be used."

The source said Iran had been a main topic of talks in April with Israel's Soviet-born foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman.

RECONNAISSANCE, RESCUE

Azeri tarmac, a shorter flight from key sites in northern Iran including the Fordow underground uranium enrichment plant and missile batteries at Tabriz, might feature in Israeli war planning in less direct ways, the former Azeri officers said.

With Israel wary of its vulnerability to pressure over air crew taken prisoner, plans for extracting downed pilots may be a key feature of any attack plan. Search and rescue helicopters might operate from Azerbaijan, the sources said - or planes that were hit or low on fuel could land at Azeri bases in extremis.

Such engagement carries risks for Azerbaijan and its oil platforms and pipelines operated with international companies.

Defending against Iran is part of public debate in Baku. The United States has provided Azerbaijan with three Coast Guard cutters and has funded seven coastal radar sites as well as giving Baku other help in protecting its oil installations.

Relations have long been strained between the former Soviet state and Iran, which is home to twice as many ethnic Azeris as Azerbaijan itself. Tehran beams an Azeri-language television channel over the border which portrays Aliyev as a puppet of Israel and the West, as well as highlighting corruption in Baku.

Azerbaijan sees Iranian hands behind its Islamist opposition and both countries have arrested alleged spies and agitators.

Faced with an uneven balance of force, Aliyev's government makes no bones about Israel being an ally. As one presidential aide, speaking on condition of anonymity, explained: "We live in a dangerous neighborhood; that is what is the most powerful driving force for our relationship with Israel."

However, Israel's confrontation with Iran may turn out, the arms build-up in Azerbaijan, including recent Israeli upgrades for its Soviet T-72 tanks, may have consequences for the wider region and for the stand-off with Armenia - consequences that would trouble all the powers with stakes in the Caspian region.

"We keep buying arms. On the one hand, it's a good strategy to frighten Armenia," one of the former Azeri officers said of the shaky, 18-year-old ceasefire over Nagorno-Karabakh. "But you don't collect weapons to hang on the wall and gather dust.

"One day, all these could be used."

(Additional reporting by Dan Williams in Jerusalem and Phil Stewart in Washington; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)

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Azerbaijan to host Israeli Air Force planes in case of attack on Iran? March 30, 2012

http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/iaf-f-16.jpg?w=460&h=288

Read more..

http://theaviationist.com/2012/03/30/azerbaijan/









http://news.yahoo.com/azerbaijan-eyes-aiding-israel-against-iran-025635880.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

Must Watch–Iran Bashing, Terrorism and Who Chose The Chosen People, Anyway?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eptPeSmA37U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_jRTMFjwEo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ws0Xy4QjE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h52NF-AW49U

[ThePythonicCow]

Azerbaijan, the oil-rich ex-Soviet republic on Iran’s far northern border, has, say local sources with knowledge of its military policy, explored with Israel how Azeri air bases and spy drones might help Israeli jets pull off a long-range attack.

Iran's Press TV has just released this:





Baku will not facilitate Israel attack on Iran: Azeri envoy

Azerbaijan’s ambassador to Pakistan says Baku will not allow Israel to use its airspace or land to carry out a military attack on Iran or any other country.

More at Baku will not facilitate Israel attack on Iran: Azeri envoy (PressTV; 2 Oct 2012) (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/02/264610/baku-will-not-aid-israel-attack-on-iran/)

[mountain_jim]

Azerbaijan, the oil-rich ex-Soviet republic on Iran’s far northern border, has, say local sources with knowledge of its military policy, explored with Israel how Azeri air bases and spy drones might help Israeli jets pull off a long-range attack.

Iran's Press TV has just released this:





Baku will not facilitate Israel attack on Iran: Azeri envoy

Azerbaijan’s ambassador to Pakistan says Baku will not allow Israel to use its airspace or land to carry out a military attack on Iran or any other country.

More at Baku will not facilitate Israel attack on Iran: Azeri envoy (PressTV; 2 Oct 2012) (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/02/264610/baku-will-not-aid-israel-attack-on-iran/)

also covered by Duff here

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/02/real-middle-east-analysis-not-authorized-for-release/



Iran Attack: Azerbaijan Throws Israeli Air Force Out After VT Exposes Plot

[Carmody]

The only way to disarm it, is to disarm the story that these people are working via, planning via.

And the story they hold, cannot be told, as the story or premise they are working under, will start a war, simply via it being shared or repeated.

it was designed like a porcupine quill, right from the get go, by a bunch of devious and cunning people, who want a war. it was designed that no matter how it is shared, how it is disseminated, whispered, or what not, that it will start a war. It goes in, but it never comes out.

Which is why no one is telling you what premise they are operating under.

NOBODY WANTS A WAR, except for the group who concocted this story, that these people (Israel, etc) are operating under, as a premise and prelude.

It is a beautifully crafted lie, that was designed that way, from the ground up. The kind that is easily hidden in an ensuing mess, IF a war is started.

edit:
Remember, both Hitler and, more recently, Saddam Hussein were each set off on the path of war... by a total of a few words, that there was barely enough of them (words)....to form a sentence.

This is how they do it, folks. One lie, spoken at exactly the right time and place. Phrased exactly the right way.

[ulli]

Culture is ultimately the result of myths...stories which uplift, inspire, liberate.

But slavery and oppression are the result of lies and of deceit.

Either way, the origin of reality is in the domain of ideas, of imagery, of story telling.

If we realize this then we can just find a collective eraser, or giant delete button, and flush the story.

But something has to replace it, something better, and who is willing to write that new story?

[avid]

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/hillary-clinton-laughs-about-provoking.html
Hillary "bring it on" FALSE FLAG Clinton is laughing her way to the Middle-East War her ilk are after. This is sooo transparent now. Disgusting. Reprehensible. Someone should take that stupid mindset down asap. Noone in their right minds would promote a confrontation in this circumstance. Hillary 'bring it on' with a trolley to your nearest mental institution. Good grief!