Ancient Aliens Debunked (3 Hour Documentary)

[last50cobra]

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See it all in one section, or check references at http://ancientaliensdebunked.com or to see the individual sections click time signatures below:
Intro ( 0:00 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/124-2/
Puma Punku ( 3:38 ) or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/puma-punku/
The Pyramids ( 22:41 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/the-pyramids/
Baalbek, ( 37:40 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/baalbek/
Incan sites ( 55:33 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/incan-sites/
Easter Island ( 1:01:33 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/easter-island/
Pacal's rocket ( 1:05:36 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/pacals-rocket/
The Nazca Lines ( 1:13:10 ) Or
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/nazca-lines/
Tolima "fighter jets ( 1:21:16 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/tolima-fighter-jets/
Egyptian "light bulb" ( 1:27:01 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/112-2/
Ufo's in ancient art ( 1:36:08 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ufos-in-ancient-art/
The crystal skulls ( 1:46:38 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/crystal-skulls/
Ezekiel's Wheel ( 1:58:17 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ezekiels-wheels/
Ancient nuclear warfare ( 2:11:16 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ancient-nuclear-w...
Vimana's ( 2:20:50 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/vimanas/
Anunnaki ( 2:32:52 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/anunnaki/
Nephilim ( 2:54:37 )
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/nephilim/
Conclusion ( 3:07:10
http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/misc-and-conclusion/

[RMorgan]

Thanks mate.

I´ll watch this tonight.

It´s always great to learn different points of view about such a fascinating subject. :)

Every truth seeker should always look forward to learn and analyze all different sides of the same story.

Most people just read and watch what they already tend to believe/agree. This is a bit dangerous because you become so biased after some time, that you may become unable to perceive the whole picture.

I bet that a lot of persons will reply attacking this documentary even before watching it.

Cheers,

Raf.

[donk]

It's about time, what's it been, 3 seasons of tv shows (forget the decades of research it is made up of)...the ptb are slipping!

I was watching the other night, where Erich Von daniken says something like: there are 238 question marks in there [chariots of the gods], no one ever sees the question marks

Can't wait to see the "facts" they have probs with, & looking forward to seeing backup for the traditional theories...I'm sorry--scientific explanations...of how the monolithic structures were created with primitive tools and good old fashioned hard work...

[conk]

Hey, don't suck the fun out of my favorite show! ;)

I'll watch and read. Thanks, but I think I'll trust in Graham Hancock and Christopher Dunn, and their assessment. We'll see.

[delfine]

Chris White, isn´t he a christian fundie?

[DeDukshyn]

"Cui bono"?

The Vatican for one. But I'll reserve further judgment after I see the videos.

[Billy]

I am pleased that the debunking is only for the Ancient Aliens series and not the Ancient Aliens themselves.

This small comment is in the last video page titled, conclusion, http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/misc-and-conclusion/
Quote:
The main thing I want to stress is that I’m not trying to suggest that, while Ancient Aliens got a few claims wrong, there’s room for truth in their main theory. That, in light of this information, is not a tenable position. You have just witnessed the unmistakable symptoms of the entire theory being wrong.
End Quote:

peace

[Vitalux]

I wish to thank the OP for posting this, I found it most amusing.

The narrator in the video asks us to have an open mind while watching this, while in contrast the narrator has anything but an open mind.

He calls all theories, except his, ridiculous.

One point I was amused is he uses an illustration to say that rope hoisting hole were cut into large stones, but fails to consider how the stone age people would have carved the square sided holes into the rock with such precesion
as belong ( this is referred to in the video at 14:30 minutes into the video)

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af356/stuarburstphotography/rope-Copy.jpg

Can you imagine trying to carve that with a stone hammer?

I don't put any great value in the the show ancient aliens, however I would put less value into this debunking video.

The author of the video clearly is afraid to face truth.

[last50cobra]

I think if you watch a few more minutes you will see that they did not just use stone hammers. They had very strong copper, nickle, arsenic bronze tools in a variety of shapes. BTW The rectangle on the side of the stone is open as well, in other words there are three holes in the stone in that diagram.

[Vitalux]

I think if you watch a few more minutes you will see that they did not just use stone hammers. They had very strong copper, nickle, arsenic bronze tools in a variety of shapes. BTW The rectangle on the side of the stone is open as well, in other words there are three holes in the stone in that diagram.

In the image which I provided from the video, there does appear to be three holes.

my mistake

thank you

[dreamer]

Very informative, like having some cold refreshing water dumped on you unexpectedly. have to side with the debunkers on most all of this..... even though I don't want to, I do.

[Mitm]

From the info in the Ringing Cedars series of Books, those "Ancient Aliens" were just us, when we had more tech than we do now.. according to Anastasia we have had 5 catastrophes since creation... so no Ancient Aliens, just Ancient Man....

[Skywizard]

I've listened to and read the section on Pumapunku… Interesting.

One thing I saw and heard a lot of from the AA was "in my option"… theories? and I've also heard before that when Eric Von Daniken wrote his first book it was meant to be only read in question form not as fact… theories?

The debunkers may have their "facts and theories" but can they be absolutely right. NO! I really don't think anyone can be 100%. There will always be theories and debunkers around.

One thing I positively do believe is, that our ancient civilizations was a h*** of lot smarter than we give them credit for.

All I know is there is a lot of similar structures all over the world, a lot of drawings and a lot of text indicating that the Gods came from the sky which is why I believe it may be possible... (but only my theory) :o

So I’m kind of fond (but may not believe all) of the Ancient Aliens theory and always will until proved wrong.

only my opinion,
~skywizard

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm well on top of the Ancient Alien theory, and watched the series quite avidly when it was on. I have subscribed very much to the idea of Ancient Aliens for years – since I was a child in fact. Don’t know how I knew, but I knew it. I knew before even schooling, religion and societal norms could indoctrinate me otherwise.

I follow the historical model that ET's genetically seeded Mankind; fine-honed the experiment through multiple cycles of civilization (rising and falling) – Lemuria and Atlantis most should be aware of. I understand the later Ra/Yahweh/Quetzalcoatl 'God-mentoring' connection, and the many later Biblical references, as so forth.

However this series got such a lot plain wrong. Many 'theories' were miles wide of the mark, and I very often ended up groaning at some of it. A debunking campaign is not surprising then, and in fact I welcome it. While the series ran I quite clearly 'smelt' disinfo mixed in – some very silly disinfo purposely aimed at the 'on-the-fencers', with the desire to make them jump off on the side of complete rejection (of the theory).

But it still didn't detract from the general theme (for me), that our existence, our genome, was enhanced and expedited by extra-terrestrial tinkering and mid-wifery several hundred thousand years ago. We are a 'colony', an experiment, and also a 'soul-farm' for relatively young and new souls beginning their incarnative cycles...

[Bill Ryan]

Chris White, isn´t he a christian fundie? *

* 'fundie' = fundamentalist
Yes, he is. He "debunked" David Icke, as well. :)

[RMorgan]

I've listened to and read the section on Pumapunku… Interesting.

One thing I saw and heard a lot of from the AA was "in my option"… theories? and I've also heard before that when Eric Von Daniken wrote his first book it was meant to be only read in question form not as fact… theories?

The debunkers may have their "facts and theories" but can they be absolutely right. NO! I really don't think anyone can be 100%. There will always be theories and debunkers around.

One thing I positively do believe is, that our ancient civilizations was a h*** of lot smarter than we give them credit for.

All I know is there is a lot of similar structures all over the world, a lot of drawings and a lot of text indicating that the Gods came from the sky which is why I believe it may be possible... (but only my theory) :o

So I’m kind of fond (but may not believe all) of the Ancient Aliens theory and always will until proved wrong.

only my opinion,
~skywizard

Hey mate,

I still don´t know what to believe about this subject.

In fact, why do I need to believe? Do I really need to pick a side? Fortunately not.

All I know is that there are several compelling hypothesis and that´s all they are; hypothesis, not theories.

History is not an absolute. I believe we´ll only find out the truth about this subject when we invent some sort of time machine. Until then, it´s all speculations

You´re perfectly right saying that there will always be opposition to any point of view; theories and debunkers. This is simply awesome! This is how knowledge evolves.

Every theory or hypothesis should be extensively discussed. Trying to debunk a theory is the only way to prove that it´s correct, after all, if a lot of people try to debunk a theory and fail, then it´s probably correct by the current knowledge standards.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Skywizard]

I've listened to and read the section on Pumapunku… Interesting.

One thing I saw and heard a lot of from the AA was "in my option"… theories? and I've also heard before that when Eric Von Daniken wrote his first book it was meant to be only read in question form not as fact… theories?

The debunkers may have their "facts and theories" but can they be absolutely right. NO! I really don't think anyone can be 100%. There will always be theories and debunkers around.

One thing I positively do believe is, that our ancient civilizations was a h*** of lot smarter than we give them credit for.

All I know is there is a lot of similar structures all over the world, a lot of drawings and a lot of text indicating that the Gods came from the sky which is why I believe it may be possible... (but only my theory) :o

So I’m kind of fond (but may not believe all) of the Ancient Aliens theory and always will until proved wrong.

only my opinion,
~skywizard

Hey mate,

I still don´t know what to believe about this subject.

In fact, why do I need to believe? Do I really need to pick a side? Fortunately not.

All I know is that there are several compelling hypothesis and that´s all they are; hypothesis, not theories.

History is not an absolute. I believe we´ll only find out the truth about this subject when we invent some sort of time machine. Until then, it´s all speculations

You´re perfectly right saying that there will always be opposition to any point of view; theories and debunkers. This is simply awesome! This is how knowledge evolves.

Every theory or hypothesis should be extensively discussed. Trying to debunk a theory is the only way to prove that it´s correct, after all, if a lot of people try to debunk a theory and fail, then it´s probably correct by the current knowledge standards.

Cheers,

Raf.

Your are probably right Raf., I should have used the word hypothesis which means: a guess, assumption or idea that suggest that an explanation; a theory that has not been tested or proven.
I'm from down South, you just have to look over me. :o

Peace,
~skywizard

[ExomatrixTV]

~claiming that something is "debunked" does not make it so, I remember that "Zeitgeist Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y)" (based upon Jordan Mawell 'The Naked Truth' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLpfrjxDa8) Documentary, more info click on me (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/naked_truth.htm)) was supposedly "debunked" ... then another video debunking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05tCm8riQQ) that video lol

Debunking Zeitgeist debunkers - Acharya S. (D.M. Murdock) interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05tCm8riQQ) (excerpt only!)



I predict with 1 week maybe 2 you will find Debunking "Ancient Aliens Debunked" lol


cheers,
John

[last50cobra]

~claiming that something is "debunked" does not make it so, I remember that "Zeitgeist Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y)" (based upon Jordan Mawell 'The Naked Truth' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goLpfrjxDa8) Documentary, more info click on me (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/naked_truth.htm)) was supposedly "debunked" ... then another video debunking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05tCm8riQQ) that video lol

Debunking Zeitgeist debunkers - Acharya S. (D.M. Murdock) interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05tCm8riQQ) (excerpt only!)



I predict with 1 week maybe 2 you will find Debunking "Ancient Aliens Debunked" lol


cheers,
John


The thing about Acharya is there is always another round, Debunking Acharya's Debunkings are actually funnier than the originals:
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Also if you havent seen the debunking of JMAX's The Naked Truth, be prepared for a huge loss of respect for the guy, in fact its better not to watch it if you can avoid it.
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[ExomatrixTV]

hahahaha ... you think I did not see that one?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Just finished watching the documentary and I must say it´s very concise.

All things they say make a lot of sense and are backed up with lots of evidence. They use very logic and structured arguments.

The author presents the facts in a very organized manner, topic by topic, always showing clear references to his sources. There´s no single sign of religious fundamentalism involved, as someone suggested.

Of course, we must understand that Ancient Aliens is a TV show and, like they normally do, it´s completely exaggerated and biased. They know what´s their target public and shape the program accordingly.

A really constructive TV show about this subject should confront the current most accepted hypothesis with the ancient aliens hypothesis, in order to at least try to achieve a logical and unbiased conclusion.

I´m really not sure if Aliens have been here in the past; maybe they did, maybe not.

However, this documentary did a pretty good job investigating and disproving the strongest foundations and arguments shown in the Ancient Aliens TV show.

Independently from the conclusions you might achieve from it, I highly recommend it. It wont hurt to analyze this subject from a different focal point.

Cheers,

Raf.

[jiix]

I don't think anyone should base all their knowledge off of a single source. Especially one coming from TV.

[D-Day]

Chris White, isn´t he a christian fundie? *

* 'fundie' = fundamentalist
Yes, he is. He "debunked" David Icke, as well. :)

Yeah, he also "debunked" Jordan Maxwell :)
Seems he likes to target anyone/anthing that attempts to challenge traditional Christian principles/teachings.
And like most religious fanatics, his views on subjecuts like history, human origins, and spirituality seem quite limited and myopic.
I am not at all surprised to learn about this latest effort of his to "debunk" Ancient Aliens.

[kersley]

I'm sitting on the fence with this one. I'm so bless I have an inquisitive mind and not just follow blindly. I can't wait to hear what George Noory and co have to say about this?

[Sirius White]

That's the friggin problem. Ancient aliens blows the lid on things that are true, using none of the important facts, and WITHOUT the meat and bones of the truth (which is greatly diminished from public domain of information). It's a REALLY watered down display of the truth.

JUST like the "law of attraction" and "the secret" is to much bigger/profound "secrets. "

[ExomatrixTV]

~how many "Debunking The Bible" videos are there on internet? ... and did they have any interest of really studying them? nope ... but we "must" study this video lol

[TheBibleis666 quote]:

"About Me: God Is Spirit...Not Intellect or ability to memorize scriptures of Bible... Gods Word is Not The Bible..as bible Clearly states The Word is/was

[unquote]

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http://www.paltalk.com/people/users/randy-watching/index.wmt

http://www.facebook.com/TheBibleis666

http://youtube.com/MarkofBeastRevealed

http://youtube.com/user/BIBLEisMARKofBEAST

http://the-bible-is-the-mark-of-the-beast.com/

ICONOCLAST (i•con•o•clast)

1. a person who attacks cherished beliefs, traditional institutions, etc., as being based on error or superstition.

2. a breaker or destroyer of images, especially those set up for religious veneration.

Jesus spoke to me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. I then only sought for Him in the Spirit; and He has taught me many things on life's journey. The most important of which is that He died so that we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons of God. So the gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit. The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God, that was under the old covenant but Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the law because we were unable to keep it.

John 5:39 quote from "your" Holy Book is from the Old Testiment. There are many things from the old testiment. Why don't we take a kid out & stone him to death if he does not obey his parents?

The scriptures did testify of Christ in the "OLD" testiment but the SPIRIT testifies of Christ in the "NEW" covenant. Come out of that law which you never could keep & be set FREE in the Spirit.... it is the only way of pleasing God the Father.

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[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Things aren´t like this.

You´re putting yourselves in a deffensive position, attacking the documentary even before watching it.

Frankly, if you haven´t told me that the author is a Christian fundamentalist I wouldn´t even know it, because he doesn´t show any sign of his religious beliefs in the documentary.

The content of the documentary is very solid. Differently from most authors, he makes sure to point all his sources and advise the viewer to do their own research.

Do what you want folks, but when you refuse to analyze something just because it goes against your beliefs, you´re putting yourselves in a position of ignorance.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Vitalux]

In retrospect of seeing the video and taking some time to consider the information about it.

The conclusion I have reached is;

Humans ( myself included) can be convinced of anything depending on the source of propaganda we listen to.
The author of the video pursuit was to convince the viewer that our planet has not had extra terrestrial intelligent species interaction with humans in our distant path.

He cherry picked his information.
We the gullible, half witted, listened to it like Homer Simpson and swallowed it hook line and sinker.http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/download/file.php?avatar=3446_1202112200.jpg
We the gullible, and half witted will never know the truth unless we start to wake up and think.


One only has to study about the reports of the public witnessing alien space craft buzzing around and the history of UFO crashes etc before one understands this is a real event.
In the end, one can never really be too sure about anything except our own gullibility.
I certainly in my opinion believe ancient aliens visited our planet and continue to do so.

http://alien-ufo-research.com/battle_of_la/ufo_la.jpg

Just months after the attack on Pearl Harbor when the US declared war on Japan the sirens blared in southern California on February 24, 1942 at around 10:30pm. Becoming common, people took to the streets to see what was going on and to witness if it was another false alarm. Nobody could have ever possibly guessed what they were about to see in a million years.

The coast guard and US Navy got prepared for a possible attack on the sunny shores of California, preparing their anti aircraft weapons, Navy ships, and Air force after getting word of a single or multiple aircraft heading for the coast. When the object became visible and was confirmed to not be a private or commercial aircraft it became apparent that this craft was unlike anything they had seen before. It was huge and could silently hover and the move at will. The Navy and Coast Guard got the go ahead from the Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox and began firing at the Unidentified flying object in the sky around 3:00am on the morning of the 25th.


From the beginning of the attack until the early morning around 4:15am the Military fired over 1400 rounds of 12.8 pound anti aircraft artillery at the UFO. The object kept moving from Santa Monica to Long Beach and seemed to have no damage done from the barrage of shells that were fired at the UFO.

There were thousand of witnesses including very credible reporters from every newspaper in the area that saw the UFO up close and personal. Later after all was calm the US Military reported that it must have been just a weather balloon. The extremely odd thing about that is all of the witnesses stated that it was clearly not a weather balloon but a large circular object that was being maneuvered in ways that no balloon or even aircraft of that time could have. Also after firing 1400 rounds of shells at the UFO it continued to move along unscathed. If our military couldn't have brought down a weather balloon then we never would have won the war or any war for that matter.

With all of the evidence in the Battle of LA case it clearly points to nothing man made either US or Japanese. With all of the witnesses that saw the UFO and the unbelievable amount of artillery fired at the object without even touching it it is very clear that we were dealing with one of the first multi person UFO sightings in the USA.

[Cartomancer]

Sometimes I do wonder about the ancient aliens phenomena. This is a subject that speaks to the part of us that we don't understand. It inspires awe and fear because we know deep down that there has to be life somewhere else in the Universe.

On the other hand it has easily been used to lie and manipulate the public at large. Within that the people most likely to question and figure out how this is used against you are seduced by it. Many plans of control are set in place and only few are told how to use it. These plans take centuries to execute via the installation of mythology and scary stories to attract the curious down the wrong path. Even the Sumerians view of the Cosmos as explained by Zecheria Sitchen may have been a play to appeal to your hypothalimus. Its like they created their own cargo cult and now people are taking it as fact because of what was written on clay tablets millenia ago. Just think how easy it would be to mislead a culture of people with this made up but plausible story. These types of happenings have been well documented in cargo cults and books and movies like Apocalypse Now! or Conrad's "Heart of Darkness."

Many of us forget that in antiquity there were genius' just like there are today. Everything these people invented or theorized was top secret and cloistered information meant only for the benefit of the chosen few. Is it out of the question that some Sumerian Priesthood would come to the same conclusion as many here with absolutely no evidence? Would they then see how easy it is to control people with these beliefs? The likely answer would be that this is just as possible as any other explaination.

The UFO and ancient alien phenomena is being used in this way. The story of our origins and contact with other beings in the universe is likely far more bizarre and radically different than what we are being fed even in the alternative media. You all need to see that all of this stuff we are interested in is ripe for people using for their own ends and on many different levels.

[RMorgan]

Hey Vitalux,

Personally, I don´t consider myself gullible. I never absorb any piece of information, with the purpose of making it part of my belief system.

As you might have noticed, I´m a very logic person, so most of the times, I simply analyze the strength of arguments and evidence.

For me, this documentary is exclusively a debunking of the Ancient Aliens TV show.

It doesn´t debunk the whole Ancient Aliens hypothesis.

Anyway, if you measure the strength of the arguments, this documentary, in my opinion, wins hands down. It clearly points many flawed arguments presented in the TV series, including some very basic mistakes, like the lack of proper research, dating mistakes and dubious references.

I was never a big fan of TV. Most programs shape, edit and omit information in order to achieve a certain purpose. Ancient Aliens is no exception, of course. Nowadays, we can never expect mainstream media to be honest and unbiased.

The big plus about this documentary, and that´s why I´m taking about it here, is that they show, case by case, topic by topic, the references to their sources, and encourages you to do your own research, instead of simply believing it. This, in my opinion, is debunking done right.

You know, one thing I´ve learned in my journey, is that the biggest part of authors are very biased towards the arguments they try to defend. They usually exaggerate their strengths and omit their weaknesses. This is, of course, natural, but it´s not professional.

If you´re pro-X, you´ll perceive X motifs and justifications everywhere. If you´re anti-X, you do exact the opposite. This happens because extreme beliefs distort perception, preventing you to achieve correct and unbiased conclusions. Right there, in the middle, is the man who´s unbiased and honest enough to discern and analyze information correctly.

As an example, there´s the man who sees a light in the sky and immediately calls it an alien spacecraft. There´s the other man who sees the same light and call it an airplane or satellite.
Both are wrong, because as far as perception goes, all they´re seeing is a light in the sky and, until further or closer examination, that´s all it is; the complementary identification of this light is simply the result of your perception adapting to fit in your belief system.

About the constructions and artifacts debated in the Ancient Aliens show, that´s all they are; constructions and artifacts. We know very little about the persons who built them, about their cultures and mindsets. We can make a few guesses based on evidences and research, but just guesses. The stronger the evidences, the stronger the guesses.

As I said, we know very little about these cultures, but we know considerably less about aliens, so, since at least we know that these were human cultures, the probabilities point that these constructions and artifacts are human made.

The biggest fundamental flaw of the Ancient Aliens hypothesis is exactly this; quickly jumping to the conclusion that, if we don´t know how something was built, therefore aliens built it.

Using imagination to fill knowledge gaps has always prevented us from perceiving the whole truth.

Yes, mysteries are fascinating. However, the more you fall in love for a mystery, the further you get from solving it, because you know it loses its magic after it´s solved.

That´s why I always read/watch, carefully, info coming from people with opposite points of view, so I can achieve balance and reach my own semi-conclusions.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter slams on the sarcasm hat....

M'kay: So according to White... lets just look at two statements he made within the first three minutes...

1) I am not biased.

Lets take a look at that statement...

as found here http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/beliefs/ Chris holds the following beliefs through which his world view is filtered...


1. We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 2. We believe the Bible to be the inspired, infallible Word of God and inerrant in the original languages.
3. We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father and His personal return in power and glory.
4. We believe that the lost and sinful (all people) must be saved, and that the only hope of redemption is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
5. We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.
6. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the unsaved, that they who are saved unto the resurrection of life and that are unsaved unto the resurrection of Judgment.
7. We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ.
We hold to the continuance today of the diversities of spiritual gifts as found in 1 Corinthians 12 (http://www.blb.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=1Corinthians+12&t=KJV). Simplicity in church government rather than a complex bureaucracy. A dependence upon the Holy Spirit to lead, rather than fleshly promotion. The pre-millenial return of Christ for His waiting church. The teaching of the Word of God in such a way that it can be applied to life as beneficial towards a growing spiritual maturity.


....but you dear viewer are being asked to accept that he is in no way biased... really...truly...cross my heart and hope to die....


2) Every hypotheses put forward by the show (ie all those other researchers) is completely wrong.

Putting aside the sheer arrogance of that statement for a moment how is it that considering the purported facts both sides of the argument are working from amount to nothing more than an interpretation of hearsay that is his-story and since neither side of the argument claims to be in possession of a time machine by which they could claim first person knowledge of what happened how is anyone ever going to know.

For the sake of argument I would put it to Chris that he seems to have made a truly fundamental flaw in logic of monstrous proportions.

If, as his stated belief claims, his god exists and in the manner described (eternally as father son and spirit) then by definition he/she/it is extraterrestrial, might even be argued supernatural to boot. The associated dogma also lays claim to this entity having created everything including man.

Oops...that means by extension all this stuff was created by extraterrestrials and Chris is entirely wrong.

QED :p

[ExomatrixTV]

Mad Hatter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2811-Mad-Hatter)

brilliant :hail:

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~not all Christians (so unlike Christ) are narrow minded, see: http://www.bibleufo.com

[Cartomancer]

Chris White is always guilty of expecting us to believe his dogma in favor of some other form of it. Its all semantical crap designed to mess with your head just like the Ancient Aliens B.S. He is just selling you his preferred flavor of the same bitter pill. This man blatantly sets out to debunk whatever does not conform to his narrow view of Christ. He is seeing the world through Christian goggles that are hopelessly fogged up.

PS: A ten year old could debunk Ancient Aliens or the Bible. Neither of those sources are what I would consider reliable.

[ExomatrixTV]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50501-Destiny-Of-Man-With-Author-Patrick-Cooke-of-UfoBible.com

[Vitalux]

Hey Vitalux,

Personally, I don´t consider myself gullible.

When I was 29 years old I am sure I would have made the same statement about myself.

At 51 years old I am just starting to really laugh :lol: at myself at, just how much I don't know, how much I once thought I knew, and how gullible I was for believing that I knew much about anything.:confused:

-much love

[ExomatrixTV]

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[778 neighbour of some guy]

And like most religious fanatics, his views on subjecuts like history, human origins, and spirituality seem quite limited and myopic.

Errr, could be just me thinking this but to the outside world ( meaning non avalon/conspiracy/alternative people) we must be a very extremist group ourselves and will be viewed as nutcases and crackpots just like any other cult, sect, fringe religion and whatever you can think of, beware of that.

So as far as the debunking video goes ( i think debunking is a nasty word in general) he did a great job presenting his case and almost all of it sounded plausible to me ( more plausible, then the hysteria from the AA guys anyways), of course we have questions, we also got very used to the idea that something weird has happened in our history, and non of us can remember since we were not there and did not play hopscotch with the sons of anu.

Yelling he is a fundie or whatever is ridiculous, simply because we became fundies ourselves in our own right, pot/kettle. ( ever tried to explain, what you believe to some unsuspecting friend, how did he/she look at you, probably like you just went nuts, our interests are too far out for most people). We are all just speculating, the only thing we agree on is that there is something very fishy going on and we are curious to find out what that is exactly.

I must say, the real problems are not in agreeing wether there are aliens or not, the real problem is , how are we going to live good lives as good people and share this with everyone.

Personaly i believe there just has to be life out there, its al way to big to be just inhabited by us, tiny us.

Good ET/ED, come sit down and have a glass of wine and try my new back scratcher, you will love it.

Bad ET/ED, sorry i am all out of wine and no i dont have a backscratcher, please dont ask me again, go home, i have things to do.

Regards

Ed

Ps, i liked the video, watched the whole thing, its good.

[Skywizard]

"When I was 29 years old I am sure I would have made the same statement about myself.

At 51 years old I am just starting to really laugh :lol: at myself at, just how much I don't know, how much I once thought I knew, and how gullible I was for believing that I knew much about anything.:confused:"



Amen, Vitalux... got a few years on you though.

"wish I didn't know now, what I didn't know then"
~skywizard

[TargeT]

my follow up question is : what is the purpose of Ancient Aliens ?

I see a LOT of AD HOMENOM logical fallacy in the responses on this thread; and it saddens me.

I watched this docu, I've watched A. A..... I think this documentary is much more believable than A.A. & has very concise viewpoints backed up by logic and facts.

if you haven't watched this because you don't like the messenger, well are you that weak minded that you cannot listen to information being presented to you from a biased front and make up your own mind on its validity? (hey, isn't this how almost ALL information is presented to us??)

I enjoyed watching this and personaly thing it is very empowering to know what humans are capable of WITH OUT THE NEED OF SOME SAVIOR FROM THE SKY.

WE ARE THE ONES WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, shows like A.A. are designed to make us think that feats like the pyramids are impossible for humans to accomplish, when I heard the description of the Grand Gallery at the Giza pyramid it made so much more sense than any other explanation I've ever heard

I highly suggest watching this docu.

[Krullenjongen]

I have watched the ancient aliens shows too and i stopped watching it, even though i liked the subject, because of the many unsupported jumps in the logic.
The guys who made this video made a good case of counter arguments which are full of source references.
I like to be able to check the facts myself!
I am missing all of this in the ancient aliens theories.

Beside that, if you try to bring a viewpoint, like the ancient aliens show does, you MUST get the facts, that we are able to check, right.
Saying that the rocks at some site are granite while they are not reduces your credibility right from the start to 20%

[778 neighbour of some guy]

my follow up question is : what is the purpose of Ancient Aliens ?

Exactly, thats the best question here imo, my anwser is the purpose of this series is suckering people into believing humans are complete retards who can acomplish nothing without any outside help and they are setting us up for a major false flag to implement their next means of controling us. ( remember, this show is on the msm and had to be permitted to air, and permission it got, one more reason to think its bs).

I will say it again before i get hammered, i do believe there is much more to life, the universe, consciousness, natures laws then i can see with my own two eyes or my brain can comprehend at this time, this however does not mean, i want to be stopped of critical thinking about every subject i decide to be critical off, this goes for religion, science, aliens and whatever i can think of or am presented with. Even a dude like buddha, as i understood he used to be a prince and i do know every ruler wants people to comply, shut up, sit still and do as they are told, and it worked pretty well wouldnt you say, nobody is more compliant then buddhists( and yes, there is driftwood carved one in my house too, made by some tsunami devestated dude from Sri Lanka,whenever i look at that statue i think how sitting still and thinking of nothing would prevent that poor man of earning a living, he has no time off to relax). Then jesus, turn the other cheek, take your beating and shut up. Hindus, you will be back so dont worry, take your beating and hope for another round where it will be your turn. Well i dunno but there are very fishy control mechanisms one can think of in all of these and then some. ( this is not a finished thought, but i am free to think them, i also believe atheism is just another religion, this time science based)

To be totally honest with you ( whoever) lately i think the whole alternative media and its gurus are getting way to much influence on their audience nd it feels like a major slightly less wooly continuation of the new age movement ( and we all know who set that up dont we) just an another way to keep the bright minds occupied and their eyes OFF the ball. I dont remember where is said it but it would be great if there was a thread where all info that remained standing ( survived scrutiny) was posted, the interviews, videos and whathavewe.

First we were told to comply with religion, state, education and a hierarchical structure, when we stopped believing an alternative was dropped in our laps to keep us occupied, then we were told to think for ourselves and when we do we get the boot from the same people who offered the alternative, i think thats odd, we came to shatter paradigms but when you question the new accepted previously shattered ones you get hammered, very strange.

18483

MORMONISM, here you go, you can play with my sh!t.

SATANISM, That sh!t they talk about thats happening? Thats not enough sh!t.

ALIENISM, You cant even begin to comprehend the **** that just happened.