Forks Over Knives - Full Movie here!

[sigma6]

If you haven't heard of it, this is right up there with "Fat Sick And Nearly Dead" and "Supersize Me"... maybe even better - It's about eating veggies, but presented in an eye opening way... great science and research...

Forks Over Knives (as in surgeon's knives)
Don't know why they make these videos so hard to access on the internet?????
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwEa7-ksedTaMzgyMDQ1NzUtNmQzNy00OTUzLTg5ZGEtMmRjZjcwOGEzNmQx/edit?pli=1

(doesn't seem to want to embed in the post... but maybe that's why it's still available to view...)

[TargeT]

FYI "Super Size Me" is a Vegan propiganda film full of lies and stupidity.

It was such a blantant collection of lies that someone made a COUNTER movie to it. (which I LOVE btw, one of my favorite documentaries).

Here's its website:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/

Have you seen the news stories about the obesity epidemic? Did you see Super Size Me? Then guess what? … You’ve been fed a load of bologna.

Comedian (and former health writer) Tom Naughton replies to the blame-McDonald’s crowd by losing weight on a fat-laden fast-food diet while demonstrating that nearly everything we’ve been told about obesity and healthy eating is wrong. Along with some delicious parody of Super Size Me, Naughton serves up plenty of no-bologna facts that will stun most viewers, such as: The obesity “epidemic” has been wildly exaggerated by the CDC. People the government classifies as “overweight” have longer lifespans than people classified as “normal weight.” Having low cholesterol is unhealthy. Lowfat diets can lead to depression and type II diabetes. Saturated fat doesn’t cause heart disease — but sugars, starches and processed vegetable oils do.



you can find it on Netflix, perhaps online somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FatHeadMovie

I think veganism (in all its flavors) is an abomination against nature, yes its possible, so is "sex" between two men, but it is not how things were intended to be.

for example:

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-genetic-mutation-early-humans-migrate.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120919190100.htm


So eat only plants if you want, but your not doing anything but straining your body, as is proof by Spurlock's attempts at LOSING the weight he lied about how he gained while eating fast food. (yes, he tried to do it the "vegan" way, which is very inefficient)

[Ellisa]

Surely it's a matter of eating any and all foods in moderation. Bright coloured veg are good, as are dark green leafy ones. Some meat and some eggs are the easiest way to get protein and iron, and fish once a week help provide the oils that we need. Milk, butter and cheese all give us protein and calcium, olive oil provides healthier fat, and a small amount of salt is OK. There are lots of grains we should eat, and wholegrains are the best, especially for bread. We know that fresh fruit makes a healthy dessert, as does yoghurt. We should keep sugar, cakes, with sweet drinks and alcohol for special occasions but they are part of a realistic diet, and allow us to relax and celebrate sometimes.

And that is the secret. We should all know by now that some foods are not for every single day, but we will do much better in the choices we make if we allow ourselves to enjoy what we eat and drink provided we monitor the amount.

[Corncrake]

Really enjoyed watching this - it was good to see the China Study research getting an airing again. I have read a lot of the reports debunking the China Study too - and there are flaws in it - but overall it is sound. I am sure most of us can cherry pick bits of research to fit our own philosophy and it is always surprising how some people's genes appear able to resist a hammering from diet, alcohol and cigarettes but others cannot. I eat some fish - and some dairy but masses of fruit and vegetables because I like them! I exercise regularly too. Having eaten like this for decades I still seem to have slightly raised cholesterol and I am osteopenic! Where to go from here?

[WhiteFeather]

FYI "Super Size Me" is a Vegan propiganda film full of lies and stupidity.

It was such a blantant collection of lies that someone made a COUNTER movie to it. (which I LOVE btw, one of my favorite documentaries).

Here's its website:
http://www.fathead-movie.com/

Have you seen the news stories about the obesity epidemic? Did you see Super Size Me? Then guess what? … You’ve been fed a load of bologna.

Comedian (and former health writer) Tom Naughton replies to the blame-McDonald’s crowd by losing weight on a fat-laden fast-food diet while demonstrating that nearly everything we’ve been told about obesity and healthy eating is wrong. Along with some delicious parody of Super Size Me, Naughton serves up plenty of no-bologna facts that will stun most viewers, such as: The obesity “epidemic” has been wildly exaggerated by the CDC. People the government classifies as “overweight” have longer lifespans than people classified as “normal weight.” Having low cholesterol is unhealthy. Lowfat diets can lead to depression and type II diabetes. Saturated fat doesn’t cause heart disease — but sugars, starches and processed vegetable oils do.



you can find it on Netflix, perhaps online somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FatHeadMovie

I think veganism (in all its flavors) is an abomination against nature, yes its possible, so is "sex" between two men, but it is not how things were intended to be.

for example:

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-genetic-mutation-early-humans-migrate.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120919190100.htm


So eat only plants if you want, but your not doing anything but straining your body, as is proof by Spurlock's attempts at LOSING the weight he lied about how he gained while eating fast food. (yes, he tried to do it the "vegan" way, which is very inefficient)

An Interesting perspective here.
A Brief Transcript from this interview:
Andreas Moritz: We are not designed to eat meat because we don’t have the teeth to rip out flesh from an animal that just died. If you were a cat, you can rip it and you swallow it right away. Our teeth don’t have that design; they would fall out if you did that, tried to do that. It’s so tight, the flesh is so tight. It becomes more easily chewable when you are cooking it, when you break down the protein structures you destroy them.

RM: You’re cooking it so you can chew it.

AM: You destroy the protein and then you can chew it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN10tQk2wig


A lot of meat-eaters fall back on the argument that if our bodies weren’t meant to eat meat, we wouldn’t be able to. But then, we are also able to eat and even digest cardboard. Does that mean that we should or that we are meant to eat cardboard? Strictly herbivorous animals like cows too can eat and digest meat but with terrible consequences—remember the Mad Cow Disease. So what we need to understand is whether human bodies are suited to eat meat or if it is both unnatural and dangerous for us to do so.

Let’s examine the Physiological Facts. Our immediate animal ancestors, the apes, are primarily vegetarian. At most they might eat insects but they do not feed on other animals. Scientists, including Darwin, have established that early humans too from at least 4 million years ago ate exclusively plant-based diets. The races that followed, the hunter-gatherers as it were, had extremely short life expectancy limited to 25-30 years with infant mortality as high as 40-50%. The same pattern is true for those of these societies that have survived into the 21st century eg in the Arctic and in the jungles of South America & Africa, and they cannot be considered successful societies.

Early man had to be vegetarian because his body was not designed to catch or eat animals. He had no claws, his teeth could not rend flesh, his mouth could not seriously wound or get a good bite into a struggling victim. He was not fast enough to catch prey nor had the reflexes to ambush or overpower an animal. Not much has changed. If anything our bodies are now even less equipped to be natural carnivores. Try catching a pig or even a chicken with your bare hands.
Nor do we have carnivorous instincts. Humans are typically sickened by the sight and smell of blood and raw flesh and therefore pay others to do the killing. Unlike natural flesh-eaters, we cook and cover meat with all sorts of sauces and spices so that it never resembles its raw state. A natural carnivore like, for example, a cat, will salivate at the smell of raw fish/flesh. Now if man could delight in pouncing upon a bird, tearing its still-living limbs apart and sucking the warm blood, one could conclude that nature had given him a meat-eating instinct. But even the thought makes us shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of grapes, which will do nothing for a cat, will make our mouths water and even when not hungry, we enjoy eating fruit.

Apart from abilities and instinct, let’s compare anatomical structures:

1.Since meat decays quickly, it needs to be digested and excreted before putrefactive bacteria poisons the bloodstream. Therefore carnivorous animals have a very short and simple digestive system with intestines only 3 times the length of the body. Non-carnivorous animals, on the other hand, do not eat rapidly decaying food, so their digestive systems are much longer and more convoluted with intestines as long as 10 to 12 times the length of the body for the slow digestion of plants and fruit.
2. In order to digest fibrous tissues and bones, carnivorous stomachs contain 20 times as much hydrochloric acid as those of non-carnivorous animals.
3.Since predators hunt at night and sleep during the day, they do not need sweat glands to cool their bodies therefore they do not perspire though the skin but rather through their tongues. Conversely, vegetarian animals like cows, horses, deer and so on spend much of their time in the sun grazing and browsing. Therefore they perspire freely through the skin to cool their bodies.
4.. All natural meat-eaters have powerful jaws and pointed, elongated teeth to pierce tough hides and tear flesh. Since flesh is digested mostly in the stomach and intestines, it does not need to be chewed in the mouth to predigest, therefore they do not have any Molars (flat, back teeth) at all. A cat, for example, can hardly chew at all. By contrast, the digestion of plants, fruits and nuts starts in the mouth using the enzyme ptyalin contained in the saliva. The food has to chewed and mixed well with ptyalin to be broken down so plant eaters have molar teeth which allows them to grind their food in a side to side motion as opposed to the exclusively up and down motion of carnivores.
5.Apart from stomach acids, even the saliva of carnivores is acidic and does not contain the enzyme ptyalin needed to pre-digest grain unlike plant-eaters who have well-developed salivary glands and alkaline saliva.
6. While carnivores drink water by lapping it up with their tongues, plant-eaters suck water up into their mouths.

Human characteristics are in every way like plant-eaters and entirely unlike meat-eaters. Our digestive system is 12 times the length of our body, our skin has millions of pores through which we sweat, we do not have powerful jaws or sharp front teeth but flat back molar teeth, our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin, we drink water by suction like all other vegetarian animals. Physiologically, we are clearly not designed nor intended to be carnivores.
What does this mean in terms of health. We have seen the disastrous effects of meat given to naturally vegetarian animals like cows. Similarly, studies have confirmed the terrible effects of a meat diet on plant-eaters.While natural carnivores have an almost unlimited capacity to handle saturated fats and cholesterol, if half a pound of animal fat is added daily to a rabbit’s diet, in just two months his blood vessels become caked with fat leading to the heart disease. Like the rabbit, our digestive system also is not designed to digest meat and therefore the more of it we eat, the more diseased we become.

While the short funnel-like intestine of the carnivore ensures that meat is digested and excreted within a few hours, our long, convoluted 4 times longer intestine means that meat stays in our body for between 24 to 36 hours. Naturally it rots and putrefies releasing toxins that poison our bloodstream leading to a number of diseases including diabetes, gallstones and many forms of cancer including breast and prostrate cancer.
The extra hydrochloric acid our stomachs are forced to manufacture to break down flesh and tissue leads to hypertension, constipation and strokes.
Since carnivores sweat through their mouths, their bodies do not emit the strong smell of undigested meat. Because we sweat through the skin, our bodies give off a terrible odour after eating meat. Similarly our mouths smell because our teeth are not fashioned to eat meat and bits remain caught between them. Vegetarian bodies burdened with meat, put on weight and suffer from all the health risks associated with obesity.

Findings that show that vegetarians are healthier, slimmer, longer-lived and better looking are not a coincidence. Humans have evolved for millions of years living on fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables. Throughout history, our anatomy has not changed. Therefore when we stay with the foods our bodies have been designed to process, our bodies can perform at their peak. Using the analogy of fuel, if you put diesel into a petrol car, it will damage the engine. Similarly if you put meat into a vegetarian system, you are going to, sooner or later, destroy it.


Maneka Gandhi

http://www.peopleforanimalsindia.org/articles-by-maneka-gandhi/108-physiological-facts-of-eating-meat.html

Great Perspectives here too: Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69QjFXTE_zI&list=UUNMLERi6iPCH22KJmSqYnvA&index=13&feature=plcp

[TargeT]

An Interesting perspective here.
A Brief Transcript from this interview:
Andreas Moritz: We are not designed to eat meat because we don’t have the teeth to rip out flesh from an animal that just died. If you were a cat, you can rip it and you swallow it right away. Our teeth don’t have that design; they would fall out if you did that, tried to do that. It’s so tight, the flesh is so tight. It becomes more easily chewable when you are cooking it, when you break down the protein structures you destroy them.

RM: You’re cooking it so you can chew it.

AM: You destroy the protein and then you can chew it.


Ever read something so ridiculous that you have trouble reading further?

That's a bit how I feel reading this,



we don't have teeth designed to eat meat??? what the hell??

I have 8 teeth (molars) that could be considered "plant matter" teeth, the rest of my teeth (and especialy my K9's) are clearly designed for ripping and cutting (so there's the first bit of ridiculousness out of the way)


Andreas Moritz: We are not designed to eat meat because we don’t have the teeth to rip out flesh from an animal that just died. If you were a cat, you can rip it and you swallow it right away. Our teeth don’t have that design; they would fall out if you did that, tried to do that. It’s so tight, the flesh is so tight. It becomes more easily chewable when you are cooking it, when you break down the protein structures you destroy them.

RM: You’re cooking it so you can chew it.


This one had me laughing pretty hard... I mean I guess I can see how a vegan or other "non-meat" eater could read this and beleve it but its completely false & obvious to ANY one who's ever had a steak cooked "well done" and a steak cooked "rare"

Meat is SO MUCH MORE flavorful and easier to chew and consume when raw (or nearly raw) I eat raw or mostly raw (I like my fat cooked a little, its a texture thing that I'm still trying to get over, as even fat gets "tougher" when cooked)

I guess we agree on one thing though:

AM: You destroy the protein


Cooking destroys food, that’s just how it is.. I've honestly been meaning to look into WHERE "cooking" originates from and why we don't eat everything raw, I've eaten raw meat, its SUPURB! the flavor bursts in your mouth and it is very easy to consume, soft and delicious. I've even tried raw buffalo popsicles (buffalo hamburger with a bit of Worcestershire sauce frozen in a popsicle mold.. SO GOOD!)
I do not cook veggies anymore, that also ruins them.

Anyway, I guess your right that was in interesting perspective, but one I've found through personal experience and my current diet (that I attempt to adhere to): Paleo (aka, eat like a cave man).

If you've never heard of this before you really should check it out, eating as we are designed to eat (NO sugars, NO grains, LOTS of meat and fat and veggies and nuts and fruits, cooked as little as you can stand) Here's a "daily visit" for me in my internet browsing, there's an excellent forum with thousands of members doing Paleo with amazing results

www.marksdailyapple.com


The paleolithic diet (abbreviated paleo diet or paleodiet), also popularly referred to as the caveman diet, Stone Age diet and hunter-gatherer diet, is a modern nutritional plan based on the presumed ancient diet of wild plants and animals that various hominid species habitually consumed during the Paleolithic era—a period of about 2.5 million years duration that ended around 10,000 years ago with the development of agriculture. In common usage, such terms as the "Paleolithic diet" also refer to the actual ancestral human diet.[1][2]

Centered on commonly available modern foods, the "contemporary" Paleolithic diet consists mainly of fish, grass-fed pasture raised meats, vegetables, fruit, fungi, roots, and nuts, and excludes grains, legumes, dairy products, refined salt, refined sugar, and processed oils. There are many different alternatives that are available to replace the foods that have been eliminated. For example, coconut oil can be substituted for butter, almond flour can be substituted for white flour, and honey can be substituted for other sweeteners. [1][3][4]

First popularized in the mid-1970s by gastroenterologist Walter L. Voegtlin,[5][6] this nutritional concept has been promoted and adapted by a number of authors and researchers in several books and academic journals.[7] A common theme in evolutionary medicine,[8][9] Paleolithic nutrition is based on the premise that modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of their Paleolithic ancestors and that human genetics have scarcely changed since the dawn of agriculture, and therefore that an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles this ancestral diet.[4][10] Proponents of this diet argue that modern human populations subsisting on traditional diets allegedly similar to those of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers are largely free of diseases of affluence,[11][12] and that two small prospective studies of the Paleolithic diet in humans have shown some positive health outcomes.[13][14] Supporters point to several potentially therapeutic nutritional characteristics of allegedly preagricultural diets.[10][15]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet


for me its really simple logic, Agriculture has been around for 10,000ish years, humans have been around MUCH longer........... which do you think is right?



Really enjoyed watching this - it was good to see the China Study research getting an airing again. I have read a lot of the reports debunking the China Study too - and there are flaws in it - but overall it is sound. I am sure most of us can cherry pick bits of research to fit our own philosophy and it is always surprising how some people's genes appear able to resist a hammering from diet, alcohol and cigarettes but others cannot. I eat some fish - and some dairy but masses of fruit and vegetables because I like them! I exercise regularly too. Having eaten like this for decades I still seem to have slightly raised cholesterol and I am osteopenic! Where to go from here?

which cholesterol is slightly raised? what are your numbers?

Did you know that every single cell in your body producess cholesterol? its THAT important.. as long as its not small dense HDL your fine!

if you watch the docu I posted above "fat head" it explains this VERY well and tells us how Lipitor is killing our population through cholesterol suppression.

you are very likely osteopenic because your body is struggling to pull trace minerals from mostly plants and not every much meat (which is highly bio avalible source) I would suggest a nice influx of grass fed beef, free range from a small rancher that uses the cattle in a crop rotation, if that doesn't work maybe something like ORMUS for a supplement.



a small amount of salt is OK. There are lots of grains we should eat, and wholegrains are the best, especially for bread. .

Why a small amount of salt? I have yet to find a single study saying salt is bad for you, I see this as yet ANOTHER food myth.

and why should we eat grains? I completely disagree with this statement, some people seem to handle grains ok, but most don't as its just converted to sugar, spikes your insulin and causes all the pain and suffering that a high sugar diet causes.

[sigma6]

Saturated fat doesn’t cause heart disease — but sugars, starches and processed vegetable oils do.

I would agree, but that's exactly what McDonalds and a lot of other fast food restaurants have done; removed the healthy saturated fat cooking oils like beef tallow and coconut oil and replaced them with cheaper artificial manufactured canola oil and we all know what that is... So as far as sugar, starches and processed vegetable oils? - isn't that like 80% of what McDonald's serves?...

I forgot what a hot topic this is... but I will search for a really neat video interview on cooked vs raw by Mercola. It had one of the most innovative perspectives that I have ever come across, and it really made a lot of sense. It was about fermented foods, and veggies in particular. And what was noteworthy was that the woman interviewed said that we need both, that cooked veggies will release their nutrients more easily for absorption and that raw veggies were more cleansing. Now how do you like that for a pickle? And of course fermented foods supply a constant replenishment of healthy bacteria and more accessible vitamins and minerals...

[TargeT]

I don't think mcdonalds is in anyway the best diet (though by modern doctors measurements the film maker of FatHead did get incredibly healthy by only eating fast food for a month)

Fermented makes a lot of sense, I've heard the speech on that but haven't gotten myself up to trying it yet... I do love sauerkraut!

I suppose that cooking could release some nutrients, but I'm pretty sure my stomach acid can handle releasing nutrients, as well as a nice long simmer at 98.6* ;) haha

[The Truth Is In There]

Andreas Moritz: We are not designed to eat meat because we don’t have the teeth to rip out flesh from an animal that just died. If you were a cat, you can rip it and you swallow it right away. Our teeth don’t have that design; they would fall out if you did that, tried to do that. It’s so tight, the flesh is so tight. It becomes more easily chewable when you are cooking it, when you break down the protein structures you destroy them.


that's a good one. i guess if you're a vegan for a few years the teeth will indeed fall out if you try to eat raw meat. at some point you don't even need the meat trigger anymore, they'll fall out all by themselves.



A lot of meat-eaters fall back on the argument that if our bodies weren’t meant to eat meat, we wouldn’t be able to. But then, we are also able to eat and even digest cardboard. Does that mean that we should or that we are meant to eat cardboard? Strictly herbivorous animals like cows too can eat and digest meat but with terrible consequences—remember the Mad Cow Disease. So what we need to understand is whether human bodies are suited to eat meat or if it is both unnatural and dangerous for us to do so.


afaik cardboard is made of wood and humans can't digest wood, as opposed to termites. we can't even digest "indigestible" fiber, the fancy stuff they tell you you need for proper digestion and bowel movement (another lie).



Humans are typically sickened by the sight and smell of blood and raw flesh and therefore pay others to do the killing. Unlike natural flesh-eaters, we cook and cover meat with all sorts of sauces and spices so that it never resembles its raw state. A natural carnivore like, for example, a cat, will salivate at the smell of raw fish/flesh. Now if man could delight in pouncing upon a bird, tearing its still-living limbs apart and sucking the warm blood, one could conclude that nature had given him a meat-eating instinct. But even the thought makes us shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of grapes, which will do nothing for a cat, will make our mouths water and even when not hungry, we enjoy eating fruit.


that's an acquired reaction based on people's unhealthy eating habits nowadays. taste buds change according to the diet within a few days to a few months. it's no problem to develop a taste for blood, raw meat and organs and totally abhor the sweet taste of certain fruits, for example.



1.Since meat decays quickly, it needs to be digested and excreted before putrefactive bacteria poisons the bloodstream. Therefore carnivorous animals have a very short and simple digestive system with intestines only 3 times the length of the body. Non-carnivorous animals, on the other hand, do not eat rapidly decaying food, so their digestive systems are much longer and more convoluted with intestines as long as 10 to 12 times the length of the body for the slow digestion of plants and fruit.


this couldn't be more wrong. just read some of dawn's "gut" thread about high meat (raw, rotten meat). it's one of the most beneficial foods for health and proper digestion. there's nothing toxic whatsoever in it, just billions of beneficial bacteria and enzymes.



4.. All natural meat-eaters have powerful jaws and pointed, elongated teeth to pierce tough hides and tear flesh. Since flesh is digested mostly in the stomach and intestines, it does not need to be chewed in the mouth to predigest, therefore they do not have any Molars (flat, back teeth) at all. A cat, for example, can hardly chew at all. By contrast, the digestion of plants, fruits and nuts starts in the mouth using the enzyme ptyalin contained in the saliva. The food has to chewed and mixed well with ptyalin to be broken down so plant eaters have molar teeth which allows them to grind their food in a side to side motion as opposed to the exclusively up and down motion of carnivores.


the human body adapts to the diet (to a certain degree) and it's absolutely no problem to swallow junks of raw meat and digest them perfectly, without any of the symptoms of indigestion that are so very common among eaters of grains and other plant foods (gas, constipation, you name it)



Human characteristics are in every way like plant-eaters and entirely unlike meat-eaters. Our digestive system is 12 times the length of our body, our skin has millions of pores through which we sweat, we do not have powerful jaws or sharp front teeth but flat back molar teeth, our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin, we drink water by suction like all other vegetarian animals. Physiologically, we are clearly not designed nor intended to be carnivores.


yeah, and plant eaters like cows have four stomachs. interestingly enough, the first three, where the plant matter is fermenting among plenty of bacteria so it can be properly digested and assimilated in the fourth and the intestines, are completely missing in humans. you don't even develop them on a plant based diet. how strange. must be a design error if humans are supposed to eat only plants.



What does this mean in terms of health. We have seen the disastrous effects of meat given to naturally vegetarian animals like cows. Similarly, studies have confirmed the terrible effects of a meat diet on plant-eaters.While natural carnivores have an almost unlimited capacity to handle saturated fats and cholesterol, if half a pound of animal fat is added daily to a rabbit’s diet, in just two months his blood vessels become caked with fat leading to the heart disease. Like the rabbit, our digestive system also is not designed to digest meat and therefore the more of it we eat, the more diseased we become.


interestingly enough thousands of sick people have become healthy on a paleo or mostly-raw-meat-and-organs diet, the fattier, the better. if we were similar to rabbits that would be totally impossible. unlike a rabbit or a cow, if a human were to cut out carbs and instead eat a pound of raw butter a day he'd only get healthier.



While the short funnel-like intestine of the carnivore ensures that meat is digested and excreted within a few hours, our long, convoluted 4 times longer intestine means that meat stays in our body for between 24 to 36 hours. Naturally it rots and putrefies releasing toxins that poison our bloodstream leading to a number of diseases including diabetes, gallstones and many forms of cancer including breast and prostrate cancer.
The extra hydrochloric acid our stomachs are forced to manufacture to break down flesh and tissue leads to hypertension, constipation and strokes.
Vegetarian bodies burdened with meat, put on weight and suffer from all the health risks associated with obesity.

Findings that show that vegetarians are healthier, slimmer, longer-lived and better looking are not a coincidence. Humans have evolved for millions of years living on fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables.

Maneka Gandhi

http://www.peopleforanimalsindia.org/articles-by-maneka-gandhi/108-physiological-facts-of-eating-meat.html



that last part is not even funny anymore, it's so far from reality. all these points mr. gandhi made are the usual vegetarian and vegan delusions that are printed and reprinted in all of these books without any kind of evidence. quite the opposite, it has been proven time and again that humans thrive on a mainly meat-based diet and bodies deteriorate if they don't get any animal foods.

[TargeT]

I think a LOT (almost all) of vegan-ism is due to a PETA like stance on animals, they shouldn't be owned, eaten, cultivated, protected or anything but looked at from afar in their natural habitat. that stance is a misunderstanding of Humanity and its "fit" in nature.... clearly we do NOT fit into nature, we fit nature to our self's, we always have, we create our own shelters instead of using what is there, we use tools, many and complex tools (unlike any other species, some do use very very simple tools, but nothing like a jackhammer or sky crane ), we preserve life when it has no benefit to our self's, we are SELF AWARE to an extent that is not exhibited in anything (that we commonly know of) on this planet.

hell look at that last link "people for animals".... funny thing is, the HSUS (humane society, United States) they push for ANIMAL RIGHTS, not animal welfare (which I agree with) its an elitist leftist view point.

do you think the domesticated COW or Chicken or even our specialized horse breeds would live with out human interest? they wouldn't, we continue these species through our own interest in them.

this is a very complex subject (vegan-ism) and veiled in lies and secrecy (as far as its true agenda).

I abhor lies and manipulation, this is one of my "pet-peeves" I suppose.

[The Truth Is In There]

bottom line is that earth is infected with a deadly pathogen which is called humanity. doesn't really matter if that pathogen consumes other living beings or not. as long as it isn't reduced to a probiotic level where it can't do any more damage the organism that is earth and all its inhabitants are doomed. does that sound like a pro-depopulation view? yes, absolutely. i just hope it's going to happen through natural means before the unnatural depopulation agenda can come into full swing.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

If you haven't heard of it, this is right up there with "Fat Sick And Nearly Dead" and "Supersize Me"... maybe even better - It's about eating veggies, but presented in an eye opening way... great science and research...

Forks Over Knives (as in surgeon's knives)
Don't know why they make these videos so hard to access on the internet?????
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwEa7-ksedTaMzgyMDQ1NzUtNmQzNy00OTUzLTg5ZGEtMmRjZjcwOGEzNmQx/edit?pli=1

(doesn't seem to want to embed in the post... but maybe that's why it's still available to view...)

That was great, good watch, thanks Sigma, everybody should see this docu.

Regards

Ed

[ED209]

I am not taking this post seriously...you know why? Because you threw in some subtle inappropriate HOMOPHOBIC CRAP. I totally shutdown to you the minute I read that, TargeT. Who the hell do you think you are to decide or comment on what normal or natural is? That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[Earth Angel]

I enjoyed this movie very much.....I had been waiting a year to watch it, don't know why it took me so long.....is anyone on this forum eating this way? I have given up meat (almost completely) for the past 7 months, I did not lose weight, in fact I gained ......I have an egg per day in a smoothie, I dont drink milk or eat ice cream but I have had cheese about twice a week.....and of course butter......just wondering if anyone here is using this diet with success for weight loss.......they say no counting calories but what about carbs? ie the whole grains ? is there a simple list of foods you can eat ?

[GloriousPoetry]

Everything in moderation....this movie like other mainstream movies always focus on the extreme to shock people.

[TargeT]

I am not taking this post seriously...you know why? Because you threw in some subtle inappropriate HOMOPHOBIC CRAP. I totally shutdown to you the minute I read that, TargeT. Who the hell do you think you are to decide or comment on what normal or natural is? That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Sorry that I offended, it was the first example of using something being used in a counter intuitive way that came to mind; perhaps I could have worded it differently.

I didn't really say anything about "natural" or "normal" I said "intended"... and how would I know what is intended.. I don't, I'm just guessing as it is logical to me that male and female genitalia seem to be designed for each other; but obviously can be, and are used differently than that (I said VEGANISM is an abomination, and didnt mean to imply that

You seem to be a bit sensitive to that particular topic, as I am to nutrition, maybe we both need to examine that about ourselves? I got fired up on a nutrition topic (one that I feel is a very fundamental cause of suffering through out humanity, mostly due to disinfo & out right lies) I'm also sensitive to the Vegan propaganda push as i raise dogs & dislike the sneaky way that PETA & Veganism work together to try and stop animal companionship.



I enjoyed this movie very much.....I had been waiting a year to watch it, don't know why it took me so long.....is anyone on this forum eating this way? I have given up meat (almost completely) for the past 7 months, I did not lose weight, in fact I gained ......I have an egg per day in a smoothie, I dont drink milk or eat ice cream but I have had cheese about twice a week.....and of course butter......just wondering if anyone here is using this diet with success for weight loss.......they say no counting calories but what about carbs? ie the whole grains ? is there a simple list of foods you can eat ?


for weight loss a high meat/fat low (zero if possible) carb /sugar diet like the Paleo diet works amazingly well, I went from 225 to 175 with no effort eating Paleo (I also quit drinking beer, which probably helped quite a bit).

Where is your ancestry mostly from? I'm very Nordic with A+ blood (I haven't looked at "eating for your blood type" so I'm not sure if this is consistent with that) but I have a theory that our genes have a lot to do with how we should eat and I try to stay true to my northern European food history (Pre agriculture).

[778 neighbour of some guy]

;) i sprout everthing with a hull, tried to sprout a canoo once, but all i grew were indians, and they kinda sorta protested when i tried to eat them, so i stick to seeds and beans now ;) They are filled with proteine btw, very good living alternative for beef and such, i also like a good steak, but i cant grow cows in jars, so beans and seeds it is.

Small edit,

Sprouting is a very good and cheap way to get your very healthy nutrients in when you have only water and nothing to cook on or with since this requires fuel wich may be in limited supply, so its an excellent emergency or survival food, beans and seeds are already dried and quite cheap, i just wanted to add that to this post.

[ThePythonicCow]

I think veganism (in all its flavors) is an abomination against nature, yes its possible, so is "sex" between two men, but it is not how things were intended to be.


I am not taking this post seriously...you know why? Because you threw in some subtle inappropriate HOMOPHOBIC CRAP. I totally shutdown to you the minute I read that, TargeT. Who the hell do you think you are to decide or comment on what normal or natural is? That comment has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.


Sorry that I offended, it was the first example of using something being used in a counter intuitive way that came to mind; perhaps I could have worded it differently.

I didn't really say anything about "natural" or "normal" I said "intended"... and how would I know what is intended.. I don't, I'm just guessing as it is logical to me that male and female genitalia seem to be designed for each other; but obviously can be, and are used differently than that (I said VEGANISM is an abomination, and didnt mean to imply that

You seem to be a bit sensitive to that particular topic, as I am to nutrition, maybe we both need to examine that about ourselves? I got fired up on a nutrition topic (one that I feel is a very fundamental cause of suffering through out humanity, mostly due to disinfo & out right lies) I'm also sensitive to the Vegan propaganda push as i raise dogs & dislike the sneaky way that PETA & Veganism work together to try and stop animal companionship.
Good reply, TargeT. Thanks.

I try to distinguish between what people think (that's their own dang business) and how people behave on the forum (a matter in which the forum moderation team also has an interest.)

It should be OK for me or anyone, if it were true, to allow as how we have some thought that others might find prejudicial (racist, sexist, ageist, homophobic, ...).

In other words, forums should not be thought police.

But we should make some effort to go half way toward finding a basis for shared communication with others, neither provoking them unduly by pushing into their face thoughts that can be expected to turn the conversation reactionary, nor over-reacting to reading the thoughts of others that we might find abhorrent.

(Notice I said "unduly" above ... I suppose that sometimes provocation may be due ... )

I'm glad to see that ED209's shouting (ALL CAPS) reaction to TargeT's first post quoted above did not escalate into additional reactionary replies.

[Earth Angel]

Where is your ancestry mostly from? I'm very Nordic with A+ blood (I haven't looked at "eating for your blood type" so I'm not sure if this is consistent with that) but I have a theory that our genes have a lot to do with how we should eat and I try to stay true to my northern European food history (Pre agriculture).

My ancestry is all Irish.....no one in my family has a weight problem.....on either side, so I don't know what's going on with me........it seemed to start once with going on the pill 35 years ago........then again in 2001 I went up some more when I was put on a steroid inhaler for 2 years.....however, in both instances the weight gain was almost immediate and when I stopped the pill/inhaler the weight did not go away. My blood is rh negative. (can't recall what type)

[TargeT]

Where is your ancestry mostly from? I'm very Nordic with A+ blood (I haven't looked at "eating for your blood type" so I'm not sure if this is consistent with that) but I have a theory that our genes have a lot to do with how we should eat and I try to stay true to my northern European food history (Pre agriculture).

My ancestry is all Irish.....no one in my family has a weight problem.....on either side, so I don't know what's going on with me........it seemed to start once with going on the pill 35 years ago........then again in 2001 I went up some more when I was put on a steroid inhaler for 2 years.....however, in both instances the weight gain was almost immediate and when I stopped the pill/inhaler the weight did not go away. My blood is rh negative. (can't recall what type)

One thing I've noticed about Irish people is they seem to have a high resistance to insulin, and stay naturaly thin (not to say they are healthy, they still suffer from sugar in other ways). so while your family sounds like they have lucked out and benifited from those genes (unless they are all health-concious eaters)

Sounds like you react very strongly to hormones/hormone manipulating "drugs", are you taking an estrogen replacement or is that not needed (I'd look closer at that and maybe any alternatives to what you are taking currently (if you are)).

have you tried cutting out grains from your diet? I bet potatoes are fine for you (In paleo Rice & Potatoes are "questionable" carbs, some people do fine, others don't) what are the sources of sugar in your diet, just veggies & fruit & grains?

I think the only reason some people have issues with weight while vegan is the grain based carb intake (if the Paleo theories are true) are you a bread lover?


One thing that I've found is basicaly sugar is the root of all evil (and yet our brains run off it... so its a necessary evil) in a study of mice with taste buds removed they were offered two water dispensers, one with sugar added and one with out, being unable to taste they should have gone to either one, but every "subject" over time grew to drink only from the sugar treated water (our bodies needs dictate taste heavily, not just our taste buds).

If you haven't watched this, it's an EXCELENT watch:

Sugar: the bitter truth.

a talk given by Dr. Robert H. Lustig, MD, a UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the
Division of Endocrinology called “Sugar: The Bitter Truth.

dBnniua6-oM

So, what I do is try and find the source of sugar in a persons diet, as the majority of people are sensitive to insulin spikes, an insulin spike (which follows sugar / carb (complex sugar) consumption) causes your fat cells to "store" instead of "burn" your body will add to its stores instead of take from them when you are spiking insulin.

This makes a lot of sense as in a hunter/gather setting we would eat fruits and berries (sugar) during the summer and need the insulin spike to retain weight for the "lean times" in the winter when all we would find is mainly animal based food (which, if you are willing to try, an all meat, no carb/sugar diet will melt pounds off you incredibly fast, have a look at www.marksdailyapple.com , the results are astounding).

Anyway, there's a couple of things to think about :)

[Earth Angel]

Yes I am a bread lover for sure and a beer lover and of course I store my fat on my stomach......from the back I look great! lol
I am not taking any medications at all......never have except the few years on the pill in the 80s and the two years on the inhaler......quit that, lost weight and asthma (diagnosed at age 40) disappeared......gone for over 10 years now.
I crave bread, and I drink 3 pints of beer a night on the weekends, and sometimes during the week as well......I'm really looking for a B Diet.....Bread, Beer and Butter (peanut butter preferably)




Where is your ancestry mostly from? I'm very Nordic with A+ blood (I haven't looked at "eating for your blood type" so I'm not sure if this is consistent with that) but I have a theory that our genes have a lot to do with how we should eat and I try to stay true to my northern European food history (Pre agriculture).

My ancestry is all Irish.....no one in my family has a weight problem.....on either side, so I don't know what's going on with me........it seemed to start once with going on the pill 35 years ago........then again in 2001 I went up some more when I was put on a steroid inhaler for 2 years.....however, in both instances the weight gain was almost immediate and when I stopped the pill/inhaler the weight did not go away. My blood is rh negative. (can't recall what type)


Sounds like you react very strongly to hormones/hormone manipulating "drugs", are you taking an estrogen replacement or is that not needed (I'd look closer at that and maybe any alternatives to what you are taking currently (if you are)).

have you tried cutting out grains from your diet? I bet potatoes are fine for you (In paleo Rice & Potatoes are "questionable" carbs, some people do fine, others don't) what are the sources of sugar in your diet, just veggies & fruit & grains?

I think the only reason some people have issues with weight while vegan is the grain based carb intake (if the Paleo theories are true) are you a bread lover?


One thing that I've found is basicaly sugar is the root of all evil (and yet our brains run off it... so its a necessary evil) in a study of mice with taste buds removed they were offered two water dispensers, one with sugar added and one with out, being unable to taste they should have gone to either one, but every "subject" over time grew to drink only from the sugar treated water (our bodies needs dictate taste heavily, not just our taste buds).

So, what I do is try and find the source of sugar in a persons diet, as the majority of people are sensitive to insulin spikes, an insulin spike (which follows sugar / carb (complex sugar) consumption) causes your fat cells to "store" instead of "burn" your body will add to its stores instead of take from them when you are spiking insulin.

This makes a lot of sense as in a hunter/gather setting we would eat fruits and berries (sugar) during the summer and need the insulin spike to retain weight for the "lean times" in the winter when all we would find is mainly animal based food (which, if you are willing to try, an all meat, no carb/sugar diet will melt pounds off you incredibly fast, have a look at www.marksdailyapple.com , the results are astounding).

Anyway, there's a couple of things to think about :)

[TargeT]

well the peanut butter isn't too bad for you (though nuts go rancid very quickly and loose a lot of nutritional value).

You and I suffer the same problem, It almost seems like beer likes to put fat deposits on your stomach (the proverbial "beer belly") which is kind of odd, I "let my self go" this summer, pizza, beer, pasta's etc.. I'm now back up to 215 & will be going full paleo again soon (with freshly juiced veggies added in this time) it's pretty amazing how quickly sugar puts weight on me, I gained almost all my weight back from this winter (I mostly blame my girlfriend, as I love to "wine and dine" with a fine companion so clearly it's her fault.... haha)

if you follow the paleo theory Butter is amazing from you, bacon even better, I cook everything in bacon oil, and usually toss some butter in just to be sure I'm getting enough fats, once you stop spiking insulin fat is one of the best things for your body as it is an immediately available fuel, energy levels increase etc..


If it wasn't for beer tasting so damn good (and going with so many foods that taste great (but are terrible for me)) I'd be doing pretty alright, but alas, I'm prone to fits of weak will.... haha

BTW, if your an IPA drinker you'll love this Gem I was introduced to lastnight!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_A_opcg_BeKs/S9jDVHwnrwI/AAAAAAAAAoI/i0Mo-i-PPL4/s1600/Oskar+Blues+Gubna+Imperial+IPA+pour.jpg
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/oskar-blues-gubna-imperial-ipa/116174/


Sounds like you know where your sugars are coming from (much like I do) now; do something about it or not, that's up to you!

[TargeT]

this is very informative, it shows us how very important proper nutrition is to over all health.

Gut microbiota, immune development and function. [Pharmacol Res. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

The great majority of ingredients in the industrially produced foods consumed in the West are absorbed in the upper part of small intestine and thus of limited benifit to the microbiota.

Lack of proper nutrition for microbiota is a major factor under-pinning dysfunctional microbiota, dysbiosis, chronically elevated inflammation, and the production and leakage of endotoxins through the various tissue barriers. Furthermore, the over comsumption [sic] of insulinogenic foods and proteotoxins, such as advanced glycation and lipoxidation molecules, gluten and zein, and a reduced intake of fruit and vegetables, are key factors behind the commonly observed elevated inflammation and the endemic of obesity and chronic diseases, factors which are also likely to be detrimental to microbiota.

As a consequence of this lifestyle and the associated eating habits, most barriers, including the gut, the airways, the skin, the oral cavity, the vagina, the placenta, the blood-brain barrier, etc., are increasingly permeable. Attempts to recondition these barriers through the use of so called 'probiotics', normally applied to the gut, are rarely successful, and sometimes fail, as they are usually applied as adjunctive treatments, e.g. in parallel with heavy pharmaceutical treatment, not rarely consisting in antibiotics and chemotherapy.

It is increasingly observed that the majority of pharmaceutical drugs, even those believed to have minimal adverse effects, such as proton pump inhibitors and anti-hypertensives, in fact adversely affect immune development and functions and are most likely also deleterious to microbiota. Equally, it appears that probiotic treatment is not campatable [sic] with pharmacological treatments. ....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22989504

can't wait to read the full publication.

[TargeT]

and a Bit of further reading on what I sort of mentioned before... eating for your genetics:






7 Reasons Why The Paleo Diet Isn't The Solution For Everyone....So What Is The Healthiest Diet?

In the sea of information out there on nutrition and diet, the paleo diet and variations of it, is one of the better diet ideas around. This article explains WHY the paleo is a relative success compared to most diets but also shows why it is flawed and why it is not the healthiest diet for everyone.

There are a few things wrong with the advice given in the various paleo but the biggest glaring issue is a problem with most of the nutritional advice that is given today. I chose this diet to illustrate the point because I consider it to be the best of the rest in dietary terms.

After I have shown you the major flaw with not just the paleo diet but with all nutrition and a few more minor issues - I want to show you your best shot in shooting for the healthiest diet - a diet I have been following for years.

Let's get started.




Nutritionally speaking we are slow to evolve.

The idea of eating foods that were available to man in the Paleolithic or 'caveman' era is a very good theory because it takes a long time for our metabolisms to evolve and adapt to nutrition.

All we are is cavemen in suits. We may evolve fast in other areas but our metabolisms are slow to catch up. So I agree that what we were eating as cavemen (if we really did live in caves) is basically what we should be eating now. Nutritionally speaking we are slow to evolve.

The paleo diet seems to work well for a lot of people at least for a time but like all diets out there - the paleo diet doesn't work for everyone.

The main reason I'm a fan of the paleo diet is because it only allows whole foods - so it's great for getting people off the processed, artificial crap that the masses are eating and back to eating real food again.

This, however is where me being a fan of it ends.

There is plenty of information on the variations of the so called Paleo Diet here. And in this article when I use the term 'paleo diet' I am refering to one of these variations of it.

To clarify, the paleo diet is good for one thing and that is:

It helps a person move from eating a processed, non food, crap diet to a whole foods way of eating real food again.

After that I'm afraid it's pot luck as to whether or not the paleo diet or any other nutrition plan hits on the foods and ratios that are right for your genetics.

The paleo diet is not the magic diet for everyone and it's certainly not the answer to all of our health problems as some claim it to be.

The reason there are so many diets out there today is because no one has come up with the one diet that works for everyone - that diet doesn't exist.

Practically all diets work for someone but none work for everyone and that is a fact.

There have been many books written on the paleo diet by the likes of Loren Cordain, Robb Wolf, Art De Vany and Ray Audette among others.

They all have a slightly different take on why their pale diet is the one we should all be eating - making a variation of the so called 'caveman diet' - then writing a book on it and selling further cookbooks etc on the same subject. I'm not dissing their work but in my opinion they all make a glaring mistake.




2 Fundamental Facts of Nutrition

Over the last century there have been two fundamental facts in the study of human nutrition that have kept coming up over and over again and they are:


Food is most nutritious and healthy in its whole food state.
Each person has totally different nutritional requirements for food based on their genetics. These requirements apply to the macronutrients (protein, fats and carbohydrates) and the micro nutrients (vitamins, minerals and trace mineral)
If these two fundamentals are not applied to any diet plan - that diet plan will come down to luck as to whether it works or not.

These fundamental facts didn't just come from someone who had a theory or idea and decided to write a book on it. They came from the work of nutritional pioneers and researchers such as Dr Weston Price, Dr Roger Williams, Francis Pottenger MD, Dr George Watson and others.

So as you can see the 'glaring mistake' with not just the paleo diet but with nearly all diets - is that they violate fundamental fact number two.

They fail to recognise that we are all different. They treat everyone from a 'one size fits all' standpoint and suggest that back in the day we all ate and evolved on the same foods.

This is clearly not the case as humans lived all over this planet and evolved to eat the different foods - which were available to them in the area in which they lived.

When they veered away from eating these foods they would suffer from ill health and the same degenerative diseases that are rife in civilized areas today.




Different People - Different Foods
Here are some examples of the different foods different people ate as witnessed by a 10 year study by Dr Weston Price:

The Alaskan Eskimos lived on a highly carnivorous diet of protein, fat and nearly zero carbohydrate and defied the 'then known' laws of nutrition yet enjoyed vigorous health.
The North American Indians also had great health and ate a diet that was rich in animal foods such as deer, buffalo, moose, bear and fish and very small amounts of berries, wild celery and corn.
The Australian Aborigines thrived on sea cow, shell fish, dugong and other types of sea food which was supplemented with some sea plants. The inland tribes lived on kangaroo, wallaby, eggs, insects, berries and leaves.
The isolated Swiss from the Loetschental Valley thrived on dairy from pasture fed cows and rye bread.
Various African tribes lived on saturated fat and cholesterol rich diets which consisted on raw milk, blood, meat and small amounts of vegetables yet had vigorous health and no signs of heart disease.
The Quechtus Indians of South America lived on a near vegetarian diet of vegetables and fruit but ate small rodents that were available to them and also enjoyed excellent health yet their diet was the polar opposite of the Eskimo.

I could go on and on but I'm sure you're getting my point, that we are all different and require different foods to be healthy and this explains why all diets including the paleo diet will work for some but not for others and whether it works for you or not will come down to luck.

So now we have identified what the glaring issue is with the paleo diet and vitually all other diets out there, let's take a look at some of the other points that are worth disputing with the this diet.

More at: http://www.radicalstrengthcoach.com/healthiest-diet.html

This article also reminds me why I should call the diet I am attempting "Primal" not paleo... as its not truly paleo.

[ThePythonicCow]

and a Bit of further reading on what I sort of mentioned before... eating for your genetics:
I added back some of the formatting from the original document to your post above, so that it might be more enticing to the reader.

It looks like good stuff - thanks.

[13th Warrior]

Thanks TargeT!

I'll have to return to this thread and read the resources you've provided...

[transitionalman]

Where is your ancestry mostly from? I'm very Nordic with A+ blood (I haven't looked at "eating for your blood type" so I'm not sure if this is consistent with that) but I have a theory that our genes have a lot to do with how we should eat and I try to stay true to my northern European food history (Pre agriculture).

My ancestry is all Irish.....no one in my family has a weight problem.....on either side, so I don't know what's going on with me........it seemed to start once with going on the pill 35 years ago........then again in 2001 I went up some more when I was put on a steroid inhaler for 2 years.....however, in both instances the weight gain was almost immediate and when I stopped the pill/inhaler the weight did not go away. My blood is rh negative. (can't recall what type)

One thing I've noticed about Irish people is they seem to have a high resistance to insulin, and stay naturaly thin (not to say they are healthy, they still suffer from sugar in other ways). so while your family sounds like they have lucked out and benifited from those genes (unless they are all health-concious eaters)

Sounds like you react very strongly to hormones/hormone manipulating "drugs", are you taking an estrogen replacement or is that not needed (I'd look closer at that and maybe any alternatives to what you are taking currently (if you are)).

have you tried cutting out grains from your diet? I bet potatoes are fine for you (In paleo Rice & Potatoes are "questionable" carbs, some people do fine, others don't) what are the sources of sugar in your diet, just veggies & fruit & grains?

I think the only reason some people have issues with weight while vegan is the grain based carb intake (if the Paleo theories are true) are you a bread lover?


One thing that I've found is basicaly sugar is the root of all evil (and yet our brains run off it... so its a necessary evil) in a study of mice with taste buds removed they were offered two water dispensers, one with sugar added and one with out, being unable to taste they should have gone to either one, but every "subject" over time grew to drink only from the sugar treated water (our bodies needs dictate taste heavily, not just our taste buds).

If you haven't watched this, it's an EXCELENT watch:

Sugar: the bitter truth.

a talk given by Dr. Robert H. Lustig, MD, a UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the
Division of Endocrinology called “Sugar: The Bitter Truth.

dBnniua6-oM

So, what I do is try and find the source of sugar in a persons diet, as the majority of people are sensitive to insulin spikes, an insulin spike (which follows sugar / carb (complex sugar) consumption) causes your fat cells to "store" instead of "burn" your body will add to its stores instead of take from them when you are spiking insulin.

This makes a lot of sense as in a hunter/gather setting we would eat fruits and berries (sugar) during the summer and need the insulin spike to retain weight for the "lean times" in the winter when all we would find is mainly animal based food (which, if you are willing to try, an all meat, no carb/sugar diet will melt pounds off you incredibly fast, have a look at www.marksdailyapple.com , the results are astounding).

Anyway, there's a couple of things to think about :)

Wow! Two brilliant videos. Both are a must watch!

[161803398]

Just curious why some people seem to get upset about vegans. I stopped eating meat a couple of years ago for many reasons, including the fact that I believe factory farming is harmful to the environment, among other things....I guess I am suspicious of it for more esoteric reasons too. But I really don't get why some people have such a violent reaction to vegans. I haven't encountered it personally but I've heard about it from other people I know and when I read some of the posts on this thread (and other similar threads) I am quite shocked at the emotional content. It seems there is, at moments, almost a desire to hurt someone just because they stopped eating meat. What is the cause of that? I don't understand it at all. I have meat eating friends and vegan friends and, I am afraid, I have to put up with them all.

[sigma6]

I enjoyed this movie very much.....I had been waiting a year to watch it, don't know why it took me so long.....is anyone on this forum eating this way? I have given up meat (almost completely) for the past 7 months, I did not lose weight, in fact I gained ......I have an egg per day in a smoothie, I dont drink milk or eat ice cream but I have had cheese about twice a week.....and of course butter......just wondering if anyone here is using this diet with success for weight loss.......they say no counting calories but what about carbs? ie the whole grains ? is there a simple list of foods you can eat ?

It's been so long because they want don't this one too available on the internet, the system is designed to play on people's greed over copyright, the irony is those who cling to copyright, never get exposure, and those who freely allow access and distribution reap huge follow up rewards, the copyright issue is an outdated 'control' system exposed on the internet...

There is nothing simple in diet it seems, but eat your veggies, raw, lightly cooked, in soups and start fermenting cabbage and carrots, making veggies a big part of your diet will simplify your shopping experience and cut down on your meat bill... I think that the perfect diet is a small portion (20%) of meat and the rest veggies with a portion of carbs, as a bit of a filler if necessary and to alleviate carb cravings until you can go full veggies with that meat portion.

Because I find when I try to go cold turkey on carbs I end up eating a whole bag of cookies in one sitting! like an out of control addict, so I haven't figured out how to completely eliminate carb addiction yet. I have heard that rice is one of the easiest to digest and quickest burning carbs, I will roast potatoes too.

[Earth Angel]

I actually LOVE potatoes......i joke with my husband its because of the potato famine, its in my genes! I could eat nothing but potatoes for dinner.......and I do love bread. Lately I have been eating only a bread I make, Irish Soda bread.....which contains wholewheat organic flour, tsp salt, tsp baking soda, 2 cups buttermilk........very easy to make and very tasty.
However, I am going to try juicing, a juicing fast to start.......I need to drop at least 50 pounds (maybe more).......and I think juicing will help. As TargeT has pointed out in another post, if I can juice only for a few days then I may get over my addiction for carbs. My husband will do this with me and my 22 year old hardly eats at home anyway so it will be a no cooking few weeks for me! bonus ;)

[Hervé]

For those interested in diet and nutrition, here is a book I find fascinatingly interesting as most of it seems to be exerpts from something written in the earlier 1/2 part of the last century:

http://barefootherbalistmh.com/attachments/File/FIRST_20SCHOOL_20BOOK[1].pdf

It's the North American equivalent to McBride's "Gut And Psychology Syndrome" (GAPS) as found in Dawn's thread: " The gut of most disease... NOT what you think! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-)"

[Hervé]

Not sure what happened with the PDF link?

It can also be found here: http://www.imarksweb.org/book/insanity+nutrition+booklet+pdf/ under the title "The School of"

[Earth Angel]

Edit :o my bad......wrong thread

[ThePythonicCow]

Not sure what happened with the PDF link?

It can also be found here: http://www.imarksweb.org/book/insanity+nutrition+booklet+pdf/ under the title "The School of"

I fixed the pdf link in your previous post (the "[1]" in the link faked out the forum's software URL parsing).

Good thing I did, as clicking on the link for "The School of ..." on the page you linked above isn't working for me ... I get the following weird and useless error screen:
Warning: file_get_contents() [function.file-get-contents]: Couldn't resolve host name in /home/imarks2/public_html/aws/view.php on line 34

Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.pdfph.com/s-code/adcode-docview.txt) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: operation failed in /home/imarks2/public_html/aws/view.php on line 34

The correct pdf link, as now appears in your previous post, is http://barefootherbalistmh.com/attachments/File/FIRST_20SCHOOL_20BOOK[1].pdf

[Hervé]

Not sure what happened with the PDF link?

It can also be found here: http://www.imarksweb.org/book/insanity+nutrition+booklet+pdf/ under the title "The School of"

I fixed the pdf link in your previous post (the "[1]" in the link faked out the forum's software URL parsing).


The correct pdf link, as now appears in your previous post, is http://barefootherbalistmh.com/attachments/File/FIRST_20SCHOOL_20BOOK[1].pdf

Thanks a bunch Paul!




Good thing I did, as clicking on the link for "The School of ..." on the page you linked above isn't working for me ... I get the following weird and useless error screen:
Warning: file_get_contents() [function.file-get-contents]: Couldn't resolve host name in /home/imarks2/public_html/aws/view.php on line 34

Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.pdfph.com/s-code/adcode-docview.txt) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: operation failed in /home/imarks2/public_html/aws/view.php on line 34


Weird, indeed, since it was still working yesterday... ???


PS: Weird, the quoting of your post reverted the link back to useless, within the quote...

[ThePythonicCow]

PS: Weird, the quoting of your post reverted the link back to useless, within the quote...
Fixed - again. The "[1]" in the URL for that pdf file confuses our forum's automatic URL parsing code.

[Hervé]

Thanks - again!

When I tried using (;1]) it resulted in an (... ;1]_pdf) address which is undownloadable.

I guess I don't have the magic keyboard fingers :) .