California Gas $5 per gallon...

[Rocky_Shorz]

3 refiners, one had a fire, one popped a circuit breaker and the third shut down for general repairs...

independents are out of gas, and closing down...


this is a direct attack on California by the 7 sisters...


Our State needs to immediately open a refinery, now that the oil companies have proven they are not willing to produce enough to make it through short term shut downs...

the Gas is California's and profits would do much more for the state budget than a billionaires pocket...

Build holding tanks, release when prices rise, buy up when they drop...


storing Crude does nothing for us, what if power shuts off, going to burn Crude to produce fuel?


Keep your eyes peeled the desperate PTB is getting stupid, so we need to raise our voices to point out where they are failing humanity...

[Fred Ryan]

Actually, I live in California and just bought gas for $4.40 per gallon. This works out to about 0.89€ or 0.72£ per liter. Our friends in Europe probably don't feel so sorry for us.

[spiritguide]

States need not for profit refineries and undersell the oil magnates. They are ripping us off and the government is letting them. If there is a shortage due to their own mismanagement and if a shortage is for seen the price should be frozen at the time it is known. They are not guaranteed profits just because. Instead of reinvesting profits in updating refineries, they have shut down refineries and paid out the dividends and bonuses. They left us shorted on supply with the governments approval and jacked prices on us to insure the profits. They started this program in the seventies, watched it going down in MI. Guess which cup the bean will be under on the next shuffle? You would think the folks in CA would have learned with the brown out shuffle they went through with electricity. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice I'm dumb. Wonder how MSM will portray this scam. IMHO

[Daft Ada]

Suck it up mate, we are paying more than twice that because of our thieving government

[ThePythonicCow]

The American Automobile Association (AAA) California state average for regular gasoline at the pump is $4.61 per gallon, from here (http://www.fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/).

Prices vary, of course (outside a few nations that mandate a universal price), and no doubt some California pumps are well above $5.00 per gallon by now.

The current US national average is $3.80 per gallon, from here (http://www.fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/). California has the highest average of any state, even above Alaska and Hawaii, who are (as best I recall) the usual high priced leaders.

[MorningSong]

Yep, in a 30km radius around where I live, the least expensive unleaded costs Euro 1.82/litre and deisel is around Euro 1. 69/litre.... it's actually come down since mid August when unleaded reached Euro 2.01/ litre.

This is a good site for gas prices too:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/index.shtml

[spiritguide]

Suck it up mate, we are paying more than twice that because of our thieving government

BP owns ya huh. Don't worry the crown gets their cut for letting them rape the serfs. Sorry about that mate! Question is will we get it right before you do?

:peace:

[Bill Ryan]

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Ecuador: $1.48 a gallon. (Diesel is $1.04.) The prices are held the same in every gas station nationwide.

In Europe, gas is often over $9 per gallon, and has been for many years.

[TargeT]

The American Automobile Association (AAA) California state average for regular gasoline at the pump is $4.61 per gallon, from here (http://www.fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/).

Prices vary, of course (outside a few nations that mandate a universal price), and no doubt some California pumps are well above $5.00 per gallon by now.

The current US national average is $3.80 per gallon, from here (http://www.fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/). California has the highest average of any state, even above Alaska and Hawaii, who are (as best I recall) the usual high priced leaders.

we used to be (on average) a dollar over the lower 48 prices...

its $4.09 today.

but the economy in Alaska is "special" & still hasn't seen the recession that is going on in the lower 48 mostly due to the fact that our three biggest industries are OIL: Federal government : State government.

[rgray222]

Fred, this is not meant as an affront to your statement but it is a prevailing thought that seems to be creeping into the American thought process.


Actually, I live in California and just bought gas for $4.40 per gallon. This works out to about 0.89€ or 0.72£ per liter. Our friends in Europe probably don't feel so sorry for us.

This is exactly the sort of thinking and attitude Americans must guard against. Just because other countries are being screwed by their governments taxing fuel at a high rate there is no reason for citizens of the USA to accept higher fuel rates through taxes. As a matter of fact there is no reason for citizens of the world to accept higher fuel rates at all. There is an abundance of fuel in the ground and in shale. Enough for your lifetime and your children's lifetime regardless of what the media wants you to believe. Prices of fuel would drop immediately and deeply if the United States and other countries would start more exploration. Even if it takes years to get that same fuel into a refinery prices would still drop dramatically. This is the case even if we exclude deep water oil exploration.

We should be exploring solar, hydro, electric and every other green energy with a vengeance but we should not allow our government tax gas at exorbitant rates while the search for alternative fuel progresses. Every thinking person on the planet wants clean renewable energy, we do not need politicians trying to force their own unworkable and unreasonable agendas on us all in the name of wasteful spending that they refuse to get under control.

The last time I was in Europe I paid $180 for one tank of gas, I was amazed that people are not marching on government offices for this one reason alone.

The universe has a way of providing and we should not ignore this fact!

[TargeT]

We should be exploring solar, hydro, electric and every other green energy with a vengeance but we should not allow our government tax gas at exorbitant rates while the search for alternative fuel progresses. Every thinking person on the planet wants clean renewable energy, we do not need politicians trying to force their own unworkable and unreasonable agendas on us all in the name of wasteful spending that they refuse to get under control.

The last time I was in Europe I paid $180 for one tank of gas, I was amazed that people are not marching on government offices for this one reason alone.

The universe has a way of providing and we should not ignore this fact!

We already know how to make power for practically free, we had a functioning LFTR reactor in the US for over 10 years; clearly energy must be controlled and limited (manufactured scarcity) to control people.


eventually people will realize this and do something about it, but for now they just wonder why gas prices go up and blame refinery closures, there are trillion barrel fields of oil in the US that are purposefully not being developed (probably for the same reason) people will get bored of TV at some point and start to question, I can already see it starting to happen.

[Arrowwind]

You know, you Brits tell us USA folks to suck it up cause you pay twice as much as us at the pump.... but we dont have the mass transit you do and our cities and suburbs are designed for car use. Its a hard smack on a family this price and we are years and years away from having decent mass transit.

You Brits have done what you were told and you use mass transit... us in the USA, we have done what we were told and we use cars... but now they are pulling the rug out from under us and community funds across the nation are too broke to deal with it.

It will be a rough road ahead but we knew that.

[Latti]

American became so enamored with the automobile that we didn't build adequate mass-transit infrastructure like many other nations. We also chose to move out into the suburbs with many miles (km) to commute each day.

Yes, gas is more expensive in Europe, but you can travel a shorter distance crossing Europe that driving across California from South to North or vise versa.

The current situation in California reminds me of a song by Larry Gatlin & The Gatlin Brothers.

[gripreaper]

And there is no talk about inflation.

http://cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz/cache/w200-140e8bd10842c324ab0e7228ed9db7f5.jpg

Cost of Living 1999
How Much things cost in 1999
Yearly Inflation Rate USA 2.19%
Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 11,497
Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 8.50%
Average Cost of new house $131,750.00
Average Income per year $40,810.00
Average Monthly Rent $645.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $1.22
Average cost of new car $21,050.00
US Postage Stamp 33 cents
1 LB of Bacon $2.59
Ground Coffee per IB $3.41
Loaf of Bread $1.49
Dozen Eggs 89 cents

Cost of Living 2011
How Much things cost in 2011
Average Cost of New House $262,260.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas $3.52
US Postage Stamp 44 cents
Gallon of Milk $3.39
Move Ticket $8.20
Price Of Gold Per Ounce ( August 2011 ) $1,677.95
Average Yearly Wages $40,925.00

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/Price-Of-Gas-Photo.jpg.492x0_q85_crop-smart.jpg

Move along folks, nothing to see here. :rolleyes:

[write4change]

This is going a very good job of making it real. Thank you for that.

[Fred Ryan]

Fred, this is not meant as an affront to your statement but it is a prevailing thought that seems to be creeping into the American thought process.


Actually, I live in California and just bought gas for $4.40 per gallon. This works out to about 0.89€ or 0.72£ per liter. Our friends in Europe probably don't feel so sorry for us.

This is exactly the sort of thinking and attitude Americans must guard against. Just because other countries are being screwed by their governments taxing fuel at a high rate there is no reason for citizens of the USA to accept higher fuel rates through taxes. As a matter of fact there is no reason for citizens of the world to accept higher fuel rates at all. There is an abundance of fuel in the ground and in shale. Enough for your lifetime and your children's lifetime regardless of what the media wants you to believe. Prices of fuel would drop immediately and deeply if the United States and other countries would start more exploration. Even if it takes years to get that same fuel into a refinery prices would still drop dramatically. This is the case even if we exclude deep water oil exploration.

We should be exploring solar, hydro, electric and every other green energy with a vengeance but we should not allow our government tax gas at exorbitant rates while the search for alternative fuel progresses. Every thinking person on the planet wants clean renewable energy, we do not need politicians trying to force their own unworkable and unreasonable agendas on us all in the name of wasteful spending that they refuse to get under control.

The last time I was in Europe I paid $180 for one tank of gas, I was amazed that people are not marching on government offices for this one reason alone.

The universe has a way of providing and we should not ignore this fact!

I actually think that the price of gasoline in the US is kept artificially low so as to discourage alternative energy and/or transportation. I actually don't think that I'm getting screwed by the recent increase in gas prices, I actually think I'm getting screwed by low gas prices that perpetuates an unsustainable and environmentally distructive lifestyle.

[TargeT]

I actually think that the price of gasoline in the US is kept artificially low so as to discourage alternative energy and/or transportation. I actually don't think that I'm getting screwed by the recent increase in gas prices, I actually think I'm getting screwed by low gas prices that perpetuates an unsustainable and environmentally distructive lifestyle.



If that were true then why would Europe not be engineering new energy sources?

[Fred Ryan]

I actually think that the price of gasoline in the US is kept artificially low so as to discourage alternative energy and/or transportation. I actually don't think that I'm getting screwed by the recent increase in gas prices, I actually think I'm getting screwed by low gas prices that perpetuates an unsustainable and environmentally distructive lifestyle.



If that were true then why would Europe not be engineering new energy sources?

They did, it's called public transportation.

[pilotsimone]

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[Warlock]

Why do some continue to compare our gas prices to nations with higher gas prices?

How about we compare to the lowest gas prices and ask why we are not paying THOSE PRICES?

Algeria 1.19 Turkmenistan .72
Oman 1.18 Libya .54
Egypt 1.13 Saudi Arabia .45
Qatar .88 Venezuela .06
Kuwait .81
Bahrain .80

Prices are in U.S. dollars as of March 2011 AOL Daily Finance.

Now, WHY are we not paying THESE prices?

Warlock :angry:

[mescalitto]

In reply to Fred Ryan you are indeed correct , we have had it bad on fuel prices now for a long time as we have been paying anywhere between £1.30 and almost £1.50 per litre this year in the UK which is almost double what you pay now. Its not a lot cheaper to use public transport either :(

[Belle]

The price of gas is not going up in the states....the value of the dollar is going down.

What's happening in California is artificial shortages and gouging.

California is the test to see how far they can go before people revolt....good to know for when they need to create the revolution/civil war they are preparing for...

Of course, the fluoride they put in the water to stop people from acting against them before they were prepared for it are now working against them when they need us to react.

[sdv]

Why do some continue to compare our gas prices to nations with higher gas prices?

How about we compare to the lowest gas prices and ask why we are not paying THOSE PRICES?

I pay the equivalent of $1.34 per litre (in US, $1.22 per litre). I pay the lowest rate here (on the coast and 93 unleaded) so this is the lowest price. Multiply by 3.8 to get to a gallon (I'm paying $5.10 per gallon). I know that here the government charges a levy on petrol (what you call gas or fuel), supposedly for a fund to build and maintain roads, but then then they put up tolls so we have to pay to use the roads anyway (and the fule levy keeps increasing).

The price of petrol is a significant driver of inflation. Why is the price so high? What keeps driving prices up? Are there exorbitant profits being made? Are governments pushing taxes up, and if so, what are they doing with the extra money? We seem to have been in this trap for decades (petrol prices going up and up).

How do we root out the corruption that is probably at the bottom of the escalating petrol prices?

[Carmody]

We need to get off of gasoline anyway.

People begin to find other ways when the prices get too high. And that people begin to fight for 'free energy' solutions when the price of gas gets too high. People are suddenly willing to listen.

Just before a person goes down from cancer, that is the time that they are finally willing to move off of the 'known' methods, like chemotherapy. I try to illustrate to them that 90% of the people who try chemo..die anyway. So, I tell them, trying chemo is like putting 9 bullets in a 10 bullet gun, spinning the chamber and playing Russian Roulette. For if you try chemo, that's exactly what one is doing. And then i tell them that in order to survive the issue, the body has to be strong, not weak, thus the alternative cures and methods have to be tired before chemo, not after. As the body is too weak to fight or work, after chemo.

This issue of high gas prices and pressures are the same, in that people get stressed to their limits and thus they can finally turn and face the change. To turn and face that other things work. That their love of comfort and knowing that surrounds their marriage to gasoline cars has plainly failed and the whole thing has to go.

Don't kid yourself, the thing that holds people to gasoline and has them not accepting alternatives, is their fear, desire and sense of foreboding/fear and fear/loss tied to the idea of change, change that requires taking chances. And since the body rules the ideas and thoughts that form in the mind of the unaware and unwashed, then the sense of comfort and suckling is tied to energy systems ---as they know and experience them.

They need a gentle hand and a guidance away from that, or they need a hard slap and a boot in the ass, depending on their given psychology of the moment.

To be plain ....anyone who does not understand this situation is partly automaton and not really self recognized and/or self aware, no matter how many words pass through their mind and roll out of their mouths. :) (a little harsh, but there is truth to it, the given self has to finally admit)

There is a good 100 different versions of functional over unity technology out there. This is being blocked as the technology also brings self awareness of dimensional aspects to the fore and that the whole scientific paradigm and even religious thinking has to change at the core. Over-unity technology brings all that kind of change to the table, at the same time.

[Carmody]

Actually, I live in California and just bought gas for $4.40 per gallon. This works out to about 0.89€ or 0.72£ per liter. Our friends in Europe probably don't feel so sorry for us.

Travel distances are triple what they are in the UK, on average, and about double what they are in the EU proper.....so the price is a wash.

If all of the situation (outliers, and so on) is taken into account, the level of oppression is about the same. You are stressed into slavery, and that's about where it sits, regardless of where you are, in the populated modern world.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Stop consuming the garbage manufactured out of the bones of a dying world! I got myself a road bike. Cycle 10 miles to work and ten miles back. keeps me fit, i pay nothing, and i dont have to contribute to aspects of the world i dont like. I also don't have to clammer for my state to help the destruction of the planet by opening a new refinery. Geez, people are weak minded and weak willed.

[TargeT]

Stop consuming the garbage manufactured out of the bones of a dying world! I got myself a road bike. Cycle 10 miles to work and ten miles back. keeps me fit, i pay nothing, and i dont have to contribute to aspects of the world i dont like. I also don't have to clammer for my state to help the destruction of the planet by opening a new refinery. Geez, people are weak minded and weak willed.

ever "cycle" to work when its -40* out side?

[Carmody]

Stop consuming the garbage manufactured out of the bones of a dying world! I got myself a road bike. Cycle 10 miles to work and ten miles back. keeps me fit, i pay nothing, and i dont have to contribute to aspects of the world i dont like. I also don't have to clammer for my state to help the destruction of the planet by opening a new refinery. Geez, people are weak minded and weak willed.

ever "cycle" to work when its -40* out side?

oddly enough, yes I have. Just ...because.

(very dangerous, though. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!)

(people don't expect to see a bike out there in that cold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQ6p5GO3Qs), they are miserable enough in their cars)

[sdv]

oddly enough, yes I have. Just ...because.

(very dangerous, though. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!)

(people don't expect to see a bike out there in that cold, they are miserable enough in their cars)

Well done to you. I'm a bit of a sissy. It's not temperatures here that are the problem (although winters are cold and nights are longer then so so commuting to work in winter is in the dark), but rain (in winter) and strong winds (in summer), plus the danger of motorists who don't pay attention to what's around them.

DO you know what would be ideal? Public transport run on energy that is not derived from fossil fuels (or any other non-renewable source). I do hope I see this in my lifetime!

[TargeT]

DO you know what would be ideal? Public transport run on energy that is not derived from fossil fuels (or any other non-renewable source). I do hope I see this in my lifetime!

change public to private and I'll agree... I'm not giving up my ability to travel, that's the greatest expression of freedom.

[jackovesk]

What are you Yanks whinging about re: $5/Gallon...

Down Under we have been paying between $1.40 to $1.50 per litre for the past 18 months...:faint:

That equates to roughly $5.50/Gallon based on the following formula: (1 US gallon = 3.785411784 litres)

e.g. $1.45/Litre X 3.785411784 = $5.49/Gallon

PS - Drives you 'NUTS' when you know the PTW only need to obtain $15/Barrel to break-even, everything over and above that figure is pure profit to the bastards...:faint:

[DevilPigeon]

What are you Yanks whinging about re: $5/Gallon...

Down Under we have been paying between $1.40 to $1.50 per litre for the past 18 months...:faint:

That equates to roughly $5.50/Gallon based on the following formula: (1 US gallon = 3.785411784 litres)

e.g. $1.45/Litre X 3.785411784 = $5.49/Gallon

PS - Drives you 'NUTS' when you know the PTW only need to obtain $15/Barrel to break-even, everything over and above that figure is pure profit to the bastards...:faint:

Well us lucky Brits are currently paying around £1.40 - £1.50 per litre, which equates to > US $9/gallon

The method they use is a bit like "boiling frogs" - add an extra 1p/2p per litre every now and then, it doesn't seem like much of an increase (and doesn't trigger mass protest), but over time the increase is significant.

[spiritguide]

Those who control energy, control all. The bankers just count their profits for them. They are now on the road to controlling our own personal energies and we need to reject this conquest. Total peaceful resistance is mandated or all is lost in the energy game. Seen or unseen the universe is made up of energies and what we observe is only 3% of the whole. Look beyond and see! Look inside and know! When the atoms of your physical body re cycle what energy form will they evolve into? Hopefully the heart charkra will be a target for mine. IMHO