My *Awake* conversation

[kcbc2010]

This was my experience: I thought I'd share because this question gets asked a lot on PA and I actually kinda stumbled into the conversation, not really anticipating the reaction I got - because I just needed to vent and I used my facebook page to do it.

I was just frustrated with all the presidential stuff here in the US, so I posted "Tomorrow's News - Today! Obama wins debate! Kind of reminds you of the Nazis or the NVKD." (I don't remember the exact wording, but that was the gist...)

Well, after I posted that, I got a few people who agreed because well, propaganda is propaganda - whether it comes from the right or the left.

But, a few people got angry - not terribly surprising, but I had a few angry comments...

So, I responded politely and apologized for offending people, but explained the situation and why I had the expectation that Obama would be given a pass - even if Mitt won. Obviously, I was very surprised that anyone in the media thought that Mitt won anything because this guy has been just tarred and feathered for the longest time. Why shouldn't I have low expectations right? (Obama is the Messiah, after all, right?)

Anyway - later on in the conversation, another friend wondered why I sounded like America wasn't free. (I thought "Window of opportunity!" Finally, let's make it count!)

And I said that I seriously wonder if we are free. Really free. Look at how our country has changed since 9-11, since Obama 2008. Are we really free when we see our personal and civil liberties eroding? Are we really free when the government thinks that it has a vested interest in what light bulb I purchase and this is considered what's worthy of the government's time and resources?

I also went on to ask that if we were to elect Mitt are we really just trading in one form of tyranny for another? I don't know, but I'm really worried about these things. Yes, we are 'freer' than other countries around the world, but are we really free?

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I left it open, because honestly, I don't know and I'm not going to claim to have an answer. I'm really just waiting - at this point - to see if people respond to what I wrote, but the silence is kind of disturbing to me - even though I get that it's Saturday and people actually go out and do things on the weekend.

However, I hope that I got a few people to think about what being free really is supposed to be and what we say is freedom in America.

I really just want some truth, not all the noise that we are given and told is truth because I don't have time to sift through all the noise to figure out what's really the important thing I should know.
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Anyone who reads my posts knows that I have a vested in interest in my "Party", but the thing is that PA has gotten me to think beyond myself and my immediate environment.

I don't claim to have answers, but, at least, I'm asking questions now.

I just wanted to thank everyone because even though I really haven't posted much lately, I still value the contributions everyone makes and they really do make a difference - even if they aren't immediately obvious. (So, please consider posting if you aren't a regular poster because your contribution really does help everyone!)

Later - (please move the thread if you need to mods)

[Hawkwind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgE8Lw5YaQ&feature=related

Freedom is a state of mind, not something granted you by government.

[Earth Angel]

it may be the weekend is the reason for few responses to your post on facebook but my experience is if I post anything in any way enlightening or controversial I get ZERO likes, responses, comments.......if I post a cute kitty or puppy.......they all come out of the woodwork

[Mark]

Ive been on Fb since it was only for college students, 2005 or 6 or so.

Since then they have manipulated the code so deftly that now you cant even be certain of who sees your posts at all. Fb is so shady Ive often thought the site has real-time surveillance and counter-intelligence sub-routines built in and there are windowless rooms full of anonymous agents somewhere in the midwest getting paid to troll and confound the relatively small sub-group of the awake and aware as they attempt to build networks and communicate to a wider audience.

Forget trying to add many people you dont know personally. There must be algorhythms employed in determining the degrees of separation and the potential friends they do suggest are very stereotypical. Keyword and phrase recognition tech is par the course these days anyway. Like Youtube - and Myspace before it - which unmistakably and with intent killed its community in favor of banality and crass materialism, Fb is coopted beyond redemption. If there was somewhere else to go the mass exodus would have already begun.

Google Plus is just waiting but if Fb was bad people seem to instinctively know that google will be the 7th ring of hell on earth if it ever takes off.

Sorry to stray a bit, but your point in the difficulty in awakening others is sound and exascerbated by the very means of communication itself. Everybody seems to understand that being seen to support the things we immerse ourselves in daily here is dangerous enough to get you noticed, tagged, marked, filed.

If you post your awakening on Fb youre introducing yourself to your countries control matrix by standing out as a wayshower and also poking your head up in the crowd during a time of transition when the vast majority are still trying to go along to get along.

[Earth Angel]

thats a very good point Rahkyt, I often think twice or more before posting on my facebook, and not just because I know my 'friends' are watching and wondering what is with that woman! I am on some level nervous about what I put out there.....sad but true.


If you post your awakening on Fb youre introducing yourself to the your countries control matrix by standing out as a wayshower and also poking your head up in the crowd during a time of transition when the vast majority are still trying to go along to get along.

[Mark]

I think twice about what I post there to the extent that my primary focus is spiritual. Change starts within.

The political stuff you might post is probably a bit more incendiary. The political interplay at the level of elections is pure circus, as the real decisions at made at a higher level and both candidates are serving the same general interests anyway with the same overall goal, just slightly different methods in getting there.

The current trend on Fb to photoshop beautiful images with thoughtful quotes is actually an evolutionary response on the part of the human collective to shift the paradigm. The text on the images cannot be accessed in the same manner as typed text in a posting box. Symbols are worth a thousand words. Letting images do most of the talking is a good way to signal where you aare coming from without making a formal announcement.

Communication is so subtle, the ways in which we impart meaning so varied and nuanced that once the controllers think they have a handle on it, it has shifted again. Like kids and slang. Once the grownups think theyve learned all the cool words theyre already passe and the young have moved on.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Do we know the name of our neighbors? No. . .

But we know the name of a shoe shop in france.

Hmmm

[markpierre]

I think posts 2 and 3 make very good statements. One (#2 from Hawkwind) is the real confrontation everyone has with themselves. Sorry, but it's the only freedom
that no one can give to or take away from you. And Earth Angel points out why that post gets less applause.

It's true. You don't like it that you're losing control of your life, and it's frustrating and frightening and you can't understand why everyone doesn't see it.
Their ignorance is really not the cause of your loss of the feeling of freedom.
But we like warm and fuzzy comforting things when we're uncomfortable, and feel safe in distractions for as long as they distract us.
I like that bit of relief so I'll award you with a 'Thank You' or a smiley face. Then back to conflict.

And it's also true for exactly the same reason, that you don't want to consider that you've never had control of your life because controlling anything isn't what your human life is for.
Self discovery doesn't change what you'll experience, it just changes your understanding of what experience is for.

And if I thought there was a problem with either point of reference, then I would be frustrated that you can't see what I do.
That there is no grey area in freedom. You're either wholly free, or bound and limited by your own judgement and resistance to your own experience.
And if you think there's a problem with other peoples ignorance, then the solution is to free yourself. To demonstrate it perhaps. They'll still misinterpret you.
Or to realize there is no problem. The issue isn't about slavery. The issue is you individually learning real freedom. It's personal and unique, and so crucial to every individual
that you have to allow that it could look like anything. It will look like whatever it takes.

I'm not saying that I'm free and you're not. But I do know what real freedom is, and what is only an illusion of freedom.
And I do know that when I'm not free, that I'm the cause of it.

Good luck with reasoning it out, but that's only a start. You want to experience it, and you will if you want that bad enough.
What would you be willing to consider, that you haven't been willing to as yet?

These are all levels of blindness, where as we pass through them it seems a light has been turned on. I don't know where it ends, or if it ever does.

[deridan]

people go wacky on what they think the solution is to politics, so i've seen on fb, when i think, ..guys, u are upsetting yourself about a facade,making things more black and white than they are,& ever crafting a heightened sense of morality into what u see,
the best i can get right to fend off on fb is a different spiritual alignment, for those who knew me back then and wonder.
i would not even touch the subject of off-world visitors,..cause well lets face it, people on Avalon are the best enlightened to its meaningfulness and meaninglessness ..& i don't know much beyond, except that i've seen them, and i wonder as much,..just using faith-based paradigms to access judgement on the matter.
(thanx Rahkyt for the very informative posts)

[kcbc2010]

I totally didn't even think about Rahkyt said about the monitoring, etc. Bummer.

I just forget sometimes how stuck people are in the division and 'the noise' (as I call it) because it really doesn't matter who wins or loses because the same game is still going to be played. The same propaganda, the same division, the same s-t. The same noise.

I just hadn't realized how much I had changed. How much I don't accept as "gospel" truth these days. How skeptical I am about what I'm being told. It was really eye-opening. I feel bad because I think I made a rift in a few relationships, but that is tempered my own realizations about the situation/myself. I also more vividly saw how people are caught up in their worldview and aren't willing to see anything outside of that. (dismissing, acting like other views don't exist.....)

[Earth Angel]

something I found on FB recently....this is the type of thing that no one will comment or like.....so far nothing !

[gripreaper]

I posted the 9-11 truth video with the 1200 engineers and architects who dealt only with the facts, no conspiracy stuff, and I got zero likes or comments. Why is 9-11 such a taboo subject?

[ThePythonicCow]

I posted the 9-11 truth video with the 1200 engineers and architects who dealt only with the facts, no conspiracy stuff, and I got zero likes or comments. Why is 9-11 such a taboo subject?

Just because a particular posting gets no thanks or replies doesn't mean it's taboo. What catches people's eyes is more complicated than that.

[another bob]

Ive been on Fb since it was only for college students, 2005 or 6 or so.

Since then they have manipulated the code so deftly that now you cant even be certain of who sees your posts at all. Fb is so shady Ive often thought the site has real-time surveillance and counter-intelligence sub-routines built in and there are windowless rooms full of anonymous agents somewhere in the midwest getting paid to troll and confound the relatively small sub-group of the awake and aware as they attempt to build networks and communicate to a wider audience.

Forget trying to add many people you dont know personally. There must be algorhythms employed in determining the degrees of separation and the potential friends they do suggest are very stereotypical. Keyword and phrase recognition tech is par the course these days anyway. Like Youtube - and Myspace before it - which unmistakably and with intent killed its community in favor of banality and crass materialism, Fb is coopted beyond redemption. If there was somewhere else to go the mass exodus would have already begun.

Google Plus is just waiting but if Fb was bad people seem to instinctively know that google will be the 7th ring of hell on earth if it ever takes off.

Sorry to stray a bit, but your point in the difficulty in awakening others is sound and exascerbated by the very means of communication itself. Everybody seems to understand that being seen to support the things we immerse ourselves in daily here is dangerous enough to get you noticed, tagged, marked, filed.

If you post your awakening on Fb youre introducing yourself to your countries control matrix by standing out as a wayshower and also poking your head up in the crowd during a time of transition when the vast majority are still trying to go along to get along.

Imo, this is all very true, but it is just the outer crust. In the same way that NASA is the outer crust of the real space program, these relatively primitive forms of social surveying are not the whole story by any means.

In the next layer of the game, our lives and even our thoughts are an open book, both to the light beings as well as the dark renegagde types who are moving the chess pieces around. Actually, they themselves are simply two sides of the same being, which just so happens to be us, the player. Hey!

We play both sides of ourselves against each other in the form of externalized projections of our own mind. This mind is not the little guy in the brain regulating the heartbeat, however. This is Big Mind, big enough to fit the whole multiverse within it, and still have room for a trillion more. The only limit is the imagination, and so we come back to the truth that, as we think, so shall we be. Imagine that!

We are keeping tabs on ourself, and then complaining about the surveillance! What an intriguing game! It has to be intriguing to hold our attention. We like it, and so we keep playing at the first and second tier levels. When we grow weary of the repetition, we move on to the higher tiers of the same game. It's like the 3-Dimensional chess game Spock played with Kirk on Star Trek, except in goes into 4-D, 5-D, and so on, with each succeeding dimension both transcending while at the same time including all that went before. Thus, we get your angels and devils, then your higher mind critters, non-material oceanic causal creators, gods and goddesses, and so on beyond any reckoning we could cobble together here at this bus stop.

Moreover, they are all mirroring each other, as if in a great fun house of cosmic proportions, and yet they all represent the infinitely varied masks of one being, Source -- enjoying the dickens out of the whole shebang! This is how everyone knows what everyone is doing, because there is only one doer, pretending to be everyone and everything.

Sometimes, in the course of the fun, a rare figment of Source's dream wakes up to itself as Source itself, and the bliss which accompanies such an awakening is unspeakable! People may talk about merging with Source, or returning to Source, but that is actually just a gross approximation. Really, how can we return to what we already are? Still, it is a way of speaking, and no words or notions can ever describe this in the first place.

Nothing happens! Nothing has ever happened! This is a matter for direct recognition, so in the meantime, prior to waking up, we are all spying on each other, hoping to get a clue. Sorry, there are no clues. There is nothing about what we are that is anything but clueless, in the same way that the dream is clueless about the dreamer. Still, we need not be in conflict with our cluelessness. It doesn't have to represent some sort of dilemma. We can enjoy our actual state of not knowing, because not knowing is bliss. It is not ignorance, it is just what it is, because everything is just what it is too, and nothing is revealed.

How is that bliss? Well, some things we just have to find out for ourselves. We can start by eliminating everything that is not true. That just happens to be everything we think, believe, and imagine we know. It all has to go. Then , whatever it is that remains when the crap is discarded, we can get really intimate with, because it is what we have always been, prior to our adventure of spying. Bliss!


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