Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War

[Hervé]

Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War


Here is the summary posted on VT:

Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/06/homeland-security-preparing-for-massive-civil-war/)
by Paul Joseph Watson and Alexander Higgins (with Jim Fetzer)


You don’t have to have spent 35 years teaching logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning to put together the following premises and draw the obvious conclusion:

(1) The US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (3 October 2012) (https://docs.google.com/a/d.umn.edu/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=13a2a58fcd474fb9&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D81becbce8e%26view%3Datt%26th%3D13a2a58fcd474fb9%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26zw&sig=AHIEtbT98InMCalilCyp6wrUXQSegoCngQ) has established that there is no domestic terrorist threat;

(2) There are 300 or more FEMA camps distributed around the country (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/11/from-america-to-amerika-the-end-game/) and we know that Congress has authorized 30,000 drones for domestic surveillance;

(3) Since there is no domestic terrorist threat, the domestic surveillance and those FEMA camps are not intended to survey terrorists or to imprison terrorists;

(4) Since those drones and FEMA camps are either intended to survey terrorists or US citizens, it follows that, since they are not for terrorists, they are for US citizens;

(5) DHS has acquired more than 1.5 billion rounds of .40 caliber hollow-point ammunition, which is not even permissible in warfare under the Geneva Conventions;

(5) Since DHS does not conduct operations abroad, it has been acquired for domestic consumption and, since there are not terrorists, it must be for US citizens;

(6) Congress is planning for funeral homes, cemeteries and mortuaries being “overwhelmed” from a mass terror attack, natural disaster or other crisis; but,

(7) there is no domestic terrorist threat and no conceiveable natural disaster would justify this dramatic authorization for coping with staggering numbers of bodies.

Conclusion: The United States is planning for massive civil war, involving massive casualities, with the citizens of the United States. Consider the evidence. There is no way around it. That’s what’s happening.


What can be done? Stock up on arms and ammunition. Prepare for a siege with emergency food supplies and medical necessities. This is an election year. Demand of your senators and congressmen: WTF?



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Link to source: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/06/homeland-security-preparing-for-massive-civil-war/

[ThePythonicCow]

Homeland Security: Preparing for Massive Civil War


Here is the summary posted on VT:
I added a link to your source article :)

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Conclusion: The United States is planning for massive civil war, involving massive casualities, with the citizens of the United States. Consider the evidence. There is no way around it. That’s what’s happening.


What can be done? Stock up on arms and ammunition. Prepare for a siege with emergency food supplies and medical necessities. This is an election year. Demand of your senators and congressmen: WTF?


This story is beginning to be familiar, but something doesn't seem right to me in all this.

My psyops senses are tingling.

[Hervé]

Thanks Paul, for adding the link... :o

The video linked offers an interesting addendum: the latest ammunition purchases are compatible with UN troups guns and rifles...

If it's a psyop (could very well be), then, no expenses are spared to keep the make-belief going.

[another bob]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

:yo:

[Bill Ryan]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

You may be very right. So let's do what Einstein called a 'thought experiment':

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?

[ThePythonicCow]

If it's a psyop (could very well be), then, no expenses are spared to keep the make-belief going.
They might still be expecting to put all these guns, prisons and coffins to "good" use, even it is a psyop.

But part of this "operation" might be the expected reaction they will get, from telling us (allowing to leak) all these details ahead of time. I suspect that we'd be hearing almost nothing of this, if they didn't want it leaked.

Recall that the way they start wars with other nations is to spit in the would be enemy's face, and withhold critical resources from them, until the other party is compelled to react violently, or at least until a plausible false flag event can be run, giving the appearance of such a violent "attack."

Perhaps that is exactly what they are doing with the next "enemy" on their list ... the American people.

[another bob]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

You may be very right. So let's do what Einstein called a 'thought experiment':

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?


Seek out a good analyst to find out wtf is the matter with me??

:yo:

[ThePythonicCow]

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?
Perhaps something just like described in this thread's opening post?

[PHARAOH]

I guess a collapse of the dollar, with the blame Mexico mantra, may just do the trick. Keep in mind that the merging of the Americas is the ultimate goal.

Solution: Peace of course by introducing a new currency that will help "Stabilize" the region.

All hail the new "currency", which incidentally; may just be cashless... we know $$$ is their true GOD!

[ThePythonicCow]

we know $$$ is their true GOD!

I would suggest that control is their aphrodisiac, their own image is their GOD, and the $$$ one of their tools.

[christian]

Look back in history. Never ever was so much information about government crimes and their criminal intentions for the future so openly available as today. The percentage of the population that knows about what's generally going on has never been bigger.

The cabal can only do what they always did. Staging stuff and blaming their enemies, trying to get people at each other's throats. The only thing they still got to increase their leverage is "getting nastier", as Patrick Clawson put it in regard to triggering a war with Iran. This involves ABC-weaponry, 'natural' disasters, plagues, and anything that disrupts current systems. But getting nastier is playing with fire. Because any such thing would be exposed (many options already got exposed in advance) and this would backfire. Plus, as the saying goes: "Adversity makes men, prosperity makes monsters." In dire straits many adapt and grow, find their backbone and open their eyes. When confronted with "do or die", quite some TV-heads would re-assess their priorities rather quickly.

The trend where things are heading is clear in my eyes. Everything gets more extreme, the cabal gets exposed more and more and we will collectively discover genuine love as the solution to our problem. Or we die trying while the planet literally blows up because the madmen ran amok and the good guys didn't do enough to stop them.

But the creation of a fully fledged global prison state, a slave society, I don't see that working out.

[Hervé]

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What would you do?


Seek out a good analyst to find out wtf is the matter with me??

:yo:

That's the surest sign there is that you are not "one of 'em" simply because they are the only ones to be right and every body else is wrong, by definition... therefore, the very idea of self-introspection and seeking help is -- from their point of view -- utter non-sense and a waste of their time.

[Hervé]

... no expenses are spared to keep the make-belief going.
[...]... the next "enemy" on their list ... the American people.

Anyone not "belonging" is their enemy... no holds barred on that one!

[Mandala]

I would stir the pot. As David Icke says, create a major problem, wait for a reaction and then offer a solution

[Kiforall]

Just been looking into FEMA camps and thought this video might fit in here nicely.
NOW THAT THE HOMELAND SECURITY ACT HAS CHANGED THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION AND THAT AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH THE GOVERNMENTS MADNESS PLAN [CONTROLED BY ILLUMINATI/MASONS] YOU NOW ARE A TERRORIST A PATRIOT TERRORIST ALEX JONES WAS RITE PLEASE STUDY WITHOUT FEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBzdhI1JDL0

[write4change]

I drove 84 and 82 across the state of Texas often stopping in these small towns from 300 to 3000 and getting ATM Wells Fargo in bigger towns of 30,000. The overt racism is much higher that even in my childhood. The word nig... had disappeared by the 90s but it is now back with a vengence. One of the things talked about a lot is that if Obama is elected Perry is going to succeed from the union and supposedly there is a lot of backing for that. So that is a start.

I was taught all through school in Texas that it is the only state with a clause that allows it to either succeed or break into five states. I have no idea how legal that is. I also sang every day Oh Texas Our Texas so wonderful so great. Largest and grandest withstanding every test. Oh empire wide and glorious you stand supremely best. God bless you Texas and keep you great and stong so you may grow in power and faith throughout the ages long. I am actually surprised how deeply embedded in my mind that is.

So most of the talking about all this is from old rural guys who are fat and decrepted. They would make lousy leaders. I don't see any young people hanging around going yay man unlike the actual Civil War where young men started thinking it was fun.

But I throw this out there because the talk was up and about big time and publicly. Oh, and Texas is the only state with a completely isolated grid.

[Kiforall]

A couple of weeks ago, when my 9yr old son and I had a 'magic' moment he was talking about America being one country. I explained to him about North and South and he just said they're joined, they're one country. He said that's how it would be, America know who are the indigenous people and feel threatened by them.
So is my son a conspiracy theorist?
North America is becoming a polluted, GMO'd, barren desert, whereas South America is rather lush in comparison. Is civil war going to be initiated a little further than home and they are preparing for North American opposition to towards Land Swap.

[Kiforall]

You start looking into DHS and their strategy plans for America, everyone who has commented on this and any other site is an transitional organized crininal.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/Strategy_to_Combat_Transnational_Organized_Crime_July_2011.pdf

[Kiforall]

A couple of weeks ago, when my 9yr old son and I had a 'magic' moment he was talking about America being one country. I explained to him about North and South and he just said they're joined, they're one country. He said that's how it would be, America know who are the indigenous people and feel threatened by them.
So is my son a conspiracy theorist?
North America is becoming a polluted, GMO'd, barren desert, whereas South America is rather lush in comparison. Is civil war going to be initiated a little further than home and they are preparing for North American opposition to towards Land Swap.

OR: South America is soon going to loose a lot of it's coastal occupancy and require more land. North America's coastal city population will move in land as sea levels rise and meet the influx of Mexicans crossing the borders.

[hardrock]

Alien Invasion Project Blue Beam?

[markpierre]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

You may be very right. So let's do what Einstein called a 'thought experiment':

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?

Go ahead and take away 'Celebrity Big Brother'? 'World's Biggest Loser'?

Make it impossible to purchase food?

[Vitalux]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

:yo:

another bob ...I sure do enjoy and admire your insight.
You are a man that I do notice, stands up from time to time, just to have the courage to stand up and point out the obvious. :cheer2:
and I thank you for that.

[Mark]

Hey W4C, Texas can divide into "4 additional states" (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp) but there is no provision for its secession from the "Union" in the annexation treaty with the US. As a 4th and 5th generation Texan on both sides of my family my roots run deep in the state but, of course, not from the cultural perspective of those usually claiming that kind of lineage. As such, I can only see the failure of political correctness to continue to hide what has always been either directly in evidence or barely beneath the surface to be a good thing, as I prefer an enemy who announces himself to one who pretends to be my friend in every case. That this is the case in Texas should not be surprising, given its history. Blacks in Texas didn't find out about the Emancipation Proclamation until 2 and a half years later! But despite that history, I still do not see any proposed race war kicking off.

Unless Obama is assassinated.

In addition, I rather think BrotherBob has it right in his assessment of the readiness of the American people to take to the streets.

But a Zombie Apocalypse would bring them out in droves. We are programmed for extreme violence against Zombie-like behavior by nature, video games and media. Divide Americans one against the other until there are few left, with the security/military forces ready to clean up what's left after.

Funny they keep emphasizing that scenario lately with different governmental groups coming out with "readiness exercises" and "manuals" that refer to just such an event. Tongue-in-cheek, of course.

As Carmody attested in the thread about Greg Giles (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50407-GFL-channel-Greg-Giles-admits-he-was-scammed&highlight=greg+giles), the things that can be done with Radio Waves do include mind control. And there are always viruses, as the movies and television shows keep reminding us. Resident Evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Evil_(film_series)) and the Walking Dead (http://www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead) come directly to mind.

[Fred Ryan]

What with the impending fall of the American dollar; the impending attack and invasion of Iran; my impending migration to Canada; as well as the next impending false flag attack I hope I have time for this impending civil war.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I think the conclusions as stated in VT are rather strange and dont know what to think of that especially when it is called a psy op since my belief was that VT was considered as a solid news source by many people as well as many Avalonians.

However the camps and coffins are ready, the ammo/drones have been ordered ( are they delivered/where to/ some soldiers must be piloting these craft right/ someone should get talking really fast now ).

Who is up to what?

Why?

When?

Who do they think will participate when tshtf, soldiers, cops, nutjobs? Dont you think they will get totally disgusted by shooting people who probably are close to them and might have different opinions?

On the other hand, Germans killed a lot of germans, Russians a lot of Russians, Chinese a lot of Chinese, former Yugoslaves a lot of their former neighbours, Rwandese a lot Rwandans, Sierra Leone, Argentina, Chile, Brazil does not like it poor class either and major battles are fought in or over drugs, freedom in favellas, Colombians killing Colombians, Sri Lanka, Spanish civil war, Turkey, Kurdistan, pakistan/India, Vietnamese killing Vietnamese and what about Pol Pot and pals and many many others.

What Another Bob said made me think of the last 5 minutes of the Jordan Maxwell interview where he sketched a real bleak scenario about the future of the human race and the actual participation of the population in the US civil war were only 3% of the male population did the actual fighting, and with the current state of military tech those 3% will be dead in the blink of an eye, there are no equal opponents this time, if tshtf, Americans and the rest of the world are screwed for sure.

last 5 minutes.

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Gooty reposted that North Vietnamese propaganda video and said it was a bit slanted, it was not THAT slanted and is was indeed just a bit, maybe you should watch it, its not fun.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

You may be very right. So let's do what Einstein called a 'thought experiment':

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?

Make sure the water would be shut off and the shelves in supermarkets are empty, cut power, people would have to depend on Fema or military to supply them and will hit the street to collect their rations, when you have got them all together they will be ripe for picking them off/rounding up in the meantime while they are waiting in line raid their houses and collect guns to prevent any resistance. Detain them in the stadiums, all you have to do is guard the doors to keep them in, if you want to get rid of them, do that from the air, bad side, no more stadium to round people up, upside, they will be buried under bricks and concrete without effort.

Cars will be everywhere since they get stuck in traffic, people will get out and walk, there is your fuel supply all ready to be pumped out of the cars, neatly parked in a nice orderly row. Stripsearch all the people in line, collect guns, jewelry and cash, split up men,woman, children. ( we all know how this is done, they have done it everywhere).

Free cars for all the traitors and lots of scrap to melt down and encase themselves in.

Dudes in the woods with night vision and scary sniper rifles in the woods to hunt down those who did prepare and when they find them binge on the food they conveniently stored all over the place, life will be good for the bad guys, waterfilters all over the place, food all over the place, free ammo and guns all over the place, nicely camouflaged shelters with wood burning stoves, all that handy mms and colloidal silver those preppers stored will come in nice and handy too, they will be real cosy. Lets not forget those nice emergency radios and batteries they stored, they will trow eachother parties with some great music to go with it.

Im am actually disgusted by myself because i can just say all these things from the top of my head and it is really easy to do so, so either i am sicker then i thought or smarter then i was four years ago, lets just say this waking up proces does or can do funny things with a mans mind.

Being aware what is going on is not particulary healthy in all cases.

Lets hope it will take a different route, unfortunatly history has proven otherwise and this is a reality that may come.

O yeah, almost forgot...........for those people who bought long term food storage on line and used their credit card to pay for it, they know who you are and what you got, you will be first in line to be paid a visit and they will bring recipes and use up all your toilet paper.

Pretty bad scenario, yech, but the question was what should you do when you had the means, i guess i just profiled tptb and dont like it.

[Heather2017]

Something to consider: humans have power the reptilian controllers do not despite all their efforts to take it away from us. We have a direct connection to source, the ability to feel from our heart and a kind of consciousness they lack. We also have strength in numbers and some amazing allies. They won't rescue us, but they are helping us help ourselves.

Yes, the controllers want to manifest timelines that help them and hurt us, but they can only succeed if we allow them to.

As we free ourselves from fear, pain and self doubt and build our spiritual strength, we become immune to all the mind control games. We resign from the matrix and start manifesting a timeline of organic development and healthy interdependence. And we can help others who choose freedom from the dark agendas.

If our inner guidance prompts us to move, buy supplies or plant a garden, then great! That's part of our path.

It's good to be informed--one of the reasons I appreciate this forum. And the safest place to be is in our spiritual house knowing we have the right and the ability to command our space and live as a sovereign and free being.

Love,
Heather

[scanner]

Agenda 21 .

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Personally, I sense that the vast majority of Americans are rather lethargic these days, and couldn't be bothered with any activity as energetically demanding as Civil War. Look how the Occupy movement fizzled out, for example. Too much bother for most. Sure, there may be some grumbling as things increasingly go south, especially when the money gets funny, but as long as they keep broadcasting the Kardashians, Bevely Hills Housewives, and Monday Night Football, and keep coming up with new take-out pizza deals and variations on cheap tacos and burgers, there will never be enough recipients for those hollow point bullets. A few million NRA members, preppers, political extremists, general no-accounts, and so forth may end up disappeared, but most Americans would hardly notice, so engrossed are they in the latest episode of Tots on Parade.

You may be very right. So let's do what Einstein called a 'thought experiment':

Suppose you were in a position of power -- with access to billions of dollars, control over the military, the police, all the agencies, and a bunch of highly classified black projects -- and wanted (for some reason or any reason) to foment just such a civil war.

What would you do?


Perhaps it's already been done. If our FOOD production (due to GMO, natural and man-made draughts, floods, etc) is anywhere near as bad as predicted, and add to this the number of citizens who continue to be economically challenged - our country will be facing food shortages if not this year than shortly thereafter.

I'm sure many of you saw those videos last Christmas of the US citizens fighting each other at Walmart and various other stores over reduced prices for electronics. With that in mind, imagine what folks will do to each other over the last loaf of bread. Is it possible the Government will just have to sit back and watch us kill each other?

On the other hand, those of us who have been studying metaphysics and have truly integrated the knowledge have developed belief systems that will either keep our physical bodies safe or will bring us peace in being released from these bodies.

There is one other thing and that is the possibility of what we call miracles. Much as been written about the end of time as we know it from many different sources. While it is difficult for most of us to wrap our heads around that possibility and what it would look like - I encourage everyone to hold a space for that possibility. While events seem to be getting worse, and there's no denying that, perhaps it would be wise to remember that as the light gets brighter, the shadows at first become bigger. ... But it is also important to remember that as the light gets brighter, one should not hide their heads in the sand. It is important to stay aware of the dark shadows, but without fear.

[write4change]

Now that I understand how the CFR and others have the time, place, means and motivation to plan long term conspiracies to elminate us; I see as a retired nurse that they have done a pretty good job for the last 30 years. Most of us are pretty fat and un healthy and that is across the country in hard working little towns. Going into grocery stores we are eating the same unhealthy stuff. Heartland people are eating the same frozen food meals. One of the things that surprised me the most is that even where people have substantive land to grow personal gardens they don't. Too much work. And small town grocery stores has very small and not much choice produce.

Extended life expectancy is for the upper classes on a whole. Many of the old people I see are not healthy but living; much stress and they are gone. I am fat but that is relative I was a size 5 through 45. I have totally white hair but what surprised me in the heartland is that everyone thought I was 15 youngers than I am inspite of the white hair. In Beverly HIlls the average size 14 which I am is fat but the heartland has many people who are morbidly obeses and that was not true 15 years ago.

The plan was hypnotize our minds with TV. Everybody in the heartland has cable TV because it is preceived that there is nothing else to do and it is cheaper than LA despite needing ro provide more stuff. Everybody veges in front of the TV most of the time. Farming is big and everything is done by machines. Big machines are covered and air conditioned. A small farm of 30 acres will have a covered air conditioned tractor costing about 35,000. If it can't be done by the tractor--small home gardening--- it isn't done. So everybody is eating tons of packaged sugar and until fairly recently transfats. COPD and diabetes is becoming wide spread and a slow killer. Bad food rules. Chicken fried steak is still king.

What I do see in the heartland that is good is not much alcolholism. A lot of counties stay dry. I stopped once at what I thought was a 7-11 out in the middle of no where and it was a liquor store. It was incredible. I have never seen so much beautifully displayed liquor from every where. I learned to see for future reference the barred windows and dogs which I see in LA everywhere so did not make the initial connection. I got a cold coke and looked around at the prices. When I move--I am bringing as much liquor from Cosco as I can afford. LOL

Top off with religion in the heartland and very little diversity in adjusting to people who are different. It will be do what you are told or die because that will seem normal. Now and has been all their lives--live exactly like we do or leave. When leaving is no longer possible; death is simple.

[Dr. Al]

Well, an alien invasion would certainly be one way to pull the world together (one world government, etc...) against the evil entities posing a threat to our survival, wouldn't it.
We've all heard that one before...but it doesn't mean that they won't play the card. Some of you may be old enough to remember the old radio program that sent so many people into a complete frenzy believing that an invasion was upon them. Don't recall the name of the show, but I think it was on a radio station in NJ. It was a joke, not meant to freak people out but more as entertainment or so they said by way of explaining. Now I wonder if perhaps it was a social experiment to see what people would do if they really believed they were in danger from Aliens invading. I think we are subjects of these kinds of experiments quite frequently. Reality is most likely nothing at all like we have been programmed to believe it is. Perhaps this is a good forum to explore creating a new reality for ourselves, and future generations where love and peace are the norm, and fear and hatred and war are concepts that don't even exist. It's been said that there is no sense in cursing the darkness when all we have to do is turn on the light. Let's all turn on the light ;-)
Walk sacred and be in love always,
Alli
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[write4change]

Actually, it was War of the World done by Orson Wells. Later it was revealed not to have been the prank it was orginally portrayed but a govt experiment to see how people would react. It is part of the justification for we can't handle the truth on anything.

[Alecs]

You got me thinking...

What if you had control over all military resources and wanted to instigate a revolution?
What would the American citizenry be outraged about if they found an alternative truth, and you figured they eventually would?

[Laura Elina]

I see a little bit of echoes of zeroth order logic in the VT summary ( I did go and read the article), but with that said, I do agree that "something's up", I've followed this particular issue for some time now... (but I'm not even going to pretend it's been a long while), I am not an intuitive on a very high level, but my gut feeling told me to move out of Los Angeles in 2011 and I did (my husband followed later).

If I look at the political landscape, I might even have the nerve to say that "they" might not even be preparing for a massive civil war in the US, but for a part of WW 3 to be fought on North American soil, which I'm sure with a broken infrastructure would lead to a massive civil war in the aftermath, but I mean... It's easy to speculate. There was a question along the lines of asking what would you do if you were the one with the power... Well a massive war to eliminate people from the other side (and remember, you're on both sides so it doesn't even matter who wins) would be one way to weed out people, a massive civil war afterwards would weed out most people with strong beliefs and leave the ones that are easier to re-program to whichever paradigm you happen to fancy... So suppose that's what I'd do.

But maybe I am conducting zeroth order logic in my own response.

I do believe that if a WW 3 or a civil war in the US would break out, we would be in a similar situation as were people in the early 20th century faced with the first modern war (1st WW), no one knew the scale it would turn out to be, it was supposed to be over in two weeks.

It's anthropologically fascinating and also perverted to observe our relationship to violence that is formed through televised wars, images and games in which killing is a OK. This of course excludes those groups of people, who have first hand experience, but I feel the connection to that group of people is lost and we cannot relate anymore... So here we find ourselves, in a really dicey situation.

[Mandala]

Well, an alien invasion would certainly be one way to pull the world together (one world government, etc...) against the evil entities posing a threat to our survival, wouldn't it.
We've all heard that one before...but it doesn't mean that they won't play the card. Some of you may be old enough to remember the old radio program that sent so many people into a complete frenzy believing that an invasion was upon them. Don't recall the name of the show, but I think it was on a radio station in NJ. It was a joke, not meant to freak people out but more as entertainment or so they said by way of explaining. Now I wonder if perhaps it was a social experiment to see what people would do if they really believed they were in danger from Aliens invading. I think we are subjects of these kinds of experiments quite frequently. Reality is most likely nothing at all like we have been programmed to believe it is. Perhaps this is a good forum to explore creating a new reality for ourselves, and future generations where love and peace are the norm, and fear and hatred and war are concepts that don't even exist. It's been said that there is no sense in cursing the darkness when all we have to do is turn on the light. Let's all turn on the light ;-)
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Dr. Al, are you talking about H.G. Wells, "War of the Worlds" broadcast?