Who are the 24 Elders, A revelation

[Billy]

Who are the 24 Elders, a revelation.

Hello everyone. The title of this thread, Who are the 24 elders is a question I asked myself when I was in my late teens.

40yrs on (58 now) with many years of insight, I would like to share with you what information I have gathered concerning who these universal Elders are. I usually try and express myself using as few meaningful words as possible, but this is not possible with what I am trying to share here.

This is going to be a long one so Please bear with me, You may want to bookmark this page and come back when you have more time,
I am not going to be all biblical with you. Hopefully this will be a thread where spirituality and science meet.
I will share my own personal experience, Later on I will bring in where others have mentioned the Elders and finally some scientists who are managing in our times to think outside the box. I do understand that there will be many more than 24 Elders in the universe. There will be many other Elders so what I present here may possibly be not all one and the same group of Elders.

I do not believe that the bible or other religious scriptures are 100% gospel truth, but hidden in amongst the myre there are some gems of truths, And I would like to share what I believe to be one of those gems of truth.

First I will share a little about myself, as Bill has requested when people create threads, and for you to see where I am coming from. I have mentioned before in other threads here in Avalon some of my experiences I have had throughout my life.

Here is a brief summary.

1957-59, repetitive dream of meeting a collective of universal beings, I mention more here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39611-A-warning-from-benevolent-ETs-about-our-future-over-60-years-ago&p=415138#post415138
1967, watched a UFO hover above me for half an hour

1985, An encounter with mother Mary up a mountain in Bosnia.

!991-1996, Assisting Bosnian Muslims who were subjects of genocide.

1999, a meeting with a spiritual healer who put his hand inside my body. leaving no marks.

2002 - 2005, In India and encountered ancient manuscripts ( Naadi Shastra) A geonology beginning from the original 12tribes, that had my name and past lives written within.

2005, India again two weeks after Tsunami. An instruction written within the Naadi for me to carry out. To go to a place and plant a tree. This led me yet again with another encounter with mother Mary and Tsunami victims where the Tsunami had hit worst in India. They asked me to give them a talk. which i did.

I have no religious upbringing, My father was an atheist and God was never to be mentioned in our home. A skelp across the head was the consequence if God was mentioned.

Around 15 yrs old I take an interest in different religions and begin reading various scriptures. Bhagavad Gita, Bible, Koran, etc. Attending the Krishna temple in Edinburgh on their open day, lovely vegetarian food for free :-). I am already aware that ET's exist because of my personal experiences and while reading scriptures I am actually searching for evidence written in scriptures confirming their existence. My findings confirm that ET's and their crafts are mentioned in many various ways in most scriptures.

I was not a Christian, although later on in life in my 30s, I did experience Christianity, Hinduism and Islam, but I became fascinated with the book named the bible in my teens, I say book because that was what it was to me.

I read it as a book beginning at page one. When I get to the last chapter (revelations) I find the 24 Elders mentioned for the first time and I ask myself.

Who are these guys?

I begin reading again this time taking notes. This is a few years on, I am serving my time as a carpenter and take the bible to work with me, reading at break times. You can imagine the stick I received when all the builders are reading their Sun or Star newspapers comparing page three pinups, I take no notice but my boss notices me and he is a Mason, and he asked me for the first time to come to the lodge with him. This is an official invite which I replied, thanks but no thanks. All his business contracts were connected to masonic connections. For example, The church of Scotland, lawyers, judges, etc.

Because of my connections I met several Church of Scotland ministers. Some were very approachable and we would chat. I would always take the opportunity to drop in the question. "Who are the 24 Elders mentioned in Revelation?" Their answer was, “I do not know.” Later in life I met Catholic priests and would ask them also. Same answer.
One said "We are not taught about them at the seminaries." Now and then one would try and answer with total nonsense.
For example, “Oh they are some of the people that Jesus freed from hades during the three days before the resurrection.” Or another answer would be, “They are the twelve disciples and the twelve patriarchs.”

But the Elders are the ancient ones. They are much older. And the only way the 24 Elders could be the Disciples and the Patriarchs was if the Elders had incarnated here on earth as those humans. Which is possible.

Twelve plus twelve is getting close to the answer as I will explain later. For now I would like for you to think DNA strand.

Here I quote what John said in the Bible concerning the 24 Elders.

The Throne in Heaven Rev: 4

After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”

2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne.

4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God.

6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.

8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings.
End Quote:

At this point I would like to mention Mauro Biglino's research on the literal translation of the OT and the thread is here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

What he brought to the table complemented my own findings and I thank him for inspiring me to create this thread because of his work.

With reference to the bible quote above concerning the four living creatures, Animals or beasts depending on what translation is used, with eyes front and back (windows)

Although Biglino has only worked on the OT, he mentions Ezekel's (1, 10 and 6) experience with the same four creatures. And that the creatures are Flying Crafts. I agree and John also saw the same crafts when with the Elders.

When I became so curious as to who the Elders were, there seemed to be no knowledge or answers coming from any sources. I did not purchase my first computer until 2008 but even then when I searched asking "Who are the 24 elders in Rev," there were no results apart from what I mentioned above.

As my own personal spiritual journey expanded, mid 1980s now 33 yrs old. By this time I am fasting twice a week, meditating, praying and my inner voice was becoming clearer, and during meditation one day I ask the universe "Who are the 24 Elders?" My inner locution replied loud and clear to meditate on the word ELDERS and look within the bigger picture on a universal level.

In earthy terms an Elder is usually the Eldest of a tribe who carries within them the wisdom and knowledge of that tribe and their ancestors.

Also sometimes known as the wisdom keepers and some have knowledge of healing abilities.

I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet. " Close", I was told. The reply was "More than that" I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected to universal civilizations.

They are the guardians and wisdom keepers of humanity.

The 24 Elders are responsible for seeding the twelve tribes on earth. (Think DNA), I use the Jerusalem bible, Translated from Aramaic and Hebrew into English by quite a few Hebrew Scholars. One of these scholars, who was an expert in ancient Hebrew, was none other than J.R.R. Tolkien. This edition has great footnotes. In the footnotes referring to the 24 again, it divides them into 12 plus 12. 12 foundation stones and 12 gates. I have also read elsewhere 12 pillars and 12 gateways. (could this be our DNA strand?)

Now we are getting somewhere, I thought.

Just to mention that Hinduism also has the original 12 tribes and the 24 are the 24 aspects of God (working as a collective I would say, my thoughts)
So the 12 tribes are not only connected to Israel. And according to the Naadi Shastra in Brahman Hinduism we all are descended from the original 12 tribes.

They also have ancient manuscripts concerning all souls from the original 12 tribes up to today and into the future. I have had the pleasure of having my own personal geneology read to me. But that’s another story.

Now I think I have expressed my own personal experience as to how I became interested in the Elders. I did not gain much more knowledge until many years later. But I was content with what I had learned. I will now move on into what others have expressed in recent years concerning the Elders.
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Who are the 24 Elders, Part 2

Kerry Cassidy recently interviewed John Kettler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZHva_ew9sI

In this interview John mentions the Elder race at the 2hr20min mark, who are working with China. But he admits he has no more information. In fact he had to ask "Upstairs" if it was ok to speak about them. (Now why would it not be??)

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Our own Kimberley interviewed John Kettler not long after Kerry and asked if anyone had questions to ask John here in Avalon.

Guess what my question was. You got it.

Ask John who the Elders are he mentioned in Kerry's interview.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2012/04/26/living-in-the-now-john-kettler

His reply was that he only knows that they are a very ancient.

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Here we have the Entity from the Chani Project. There are a few references and threads here on Avalon regarding the Chani Project.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41814-In-the-Grip-of-Emotion-Good-Bye-Moon-Spacemuffin&p=440570&highlight=Chani#post440570

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29269-The-CHANI-Project-Computer-Interfaced-Communications-With-Other-Realms&p=296480&highlight=Chani#post296480

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36307--True-Story--of-a-Man-Taken-for--10-Days--to-an-Extraterrestrial-Civilization..-&p=380310&highlight=Chani#post380310


Read here,http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html

And here. http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php

A little introduction to the project.

During the years 1994 to 1999, a group of researchers from an organization/corporation, which I will call RAND and Associates, or RA, had access to an underground CERN-like collider facility in Africa (the location is still classified).
A contingent of AFRICOM security personnel was tasked with securing the base and, of course, keeping its location secret. The AFRICOM station commander made and supervised all the travel and accommodation arrangements for the team of researchers.

They were closely watched 24/7. Between those years, the researchers started receiving communications from an Entity who claimed to be from a parallel universe/dimension/timeline.

A remarkable and groundbreaking interaction ensued. For a period of five years, researchers asked the Entity a series of over 20,000 questions and received answers to more than 95 per cent of questions asked.

Remember this was an electronic communication and not channeling through a person. Please read the information regarding the Entity’s style of writing.
Elders mentioned by the Entity.

Here, the Entity explains free will:

"me ask elders about explain frewil beter
elders say me explain like this
god give u eg
eg is there eg already created eg exist
u use frewil decide what do about eg
u can make choice boil eg eat eg
u can make choice bake eg eat eg
u can make choice u leve eg but eg get roten but eg stil there
u can make choice u not eat other animal so u throw eg away eg get roten somewere else but eg stil exist u wil smel eg eventualy
eventualy u must decide and deal with eg
time colide is like eg
god make time colide
time colide is there time colide already created time colide exist
eventualy u must decide what u want do with time colide and deal with it
u can not change what god created but with frewil u must decide what u do with time colide ok
me say eat eg because eg good for u b4 get roten then eg very bad 4 u"

And here. Quote:

"me ask elders about gold
elders say eye must ask
eye ask now
where is this gold
yor leaders not keep gold
yor leaders not have many gold anymore
leaders always give yor gold to other planet beings
why u not know this
u not wory gold
gold not keep place safe 4 yor family u not eet gold
biger wory when oil gets sickness"

At the end of the article we read this in the notes;

A further "help" was how the Entity described the direct and "planned" influence of the Moon on the human perception of time. Because the Entity didn't have a moon in his parallel/time universe (they destroyed or "killed" it), giving a year date was impossible and turned their calculation of our time into "probabilities" rather than "possibilities".

The Entity explained that his Elders originally had calculated our dates using a 28-day, 13-month mathematical model, but that they themselves couldn't decide on the appropriate maths and starting dates to use with our current timeline on Earth. The procession of time and our awareness of time are directly controlled by our Moon.

The Moon has an effect on the body, mind and spirit of every living organism on this planet.

This is why the Entity's Elders destroyed their moon. They wanted to get rid of the moon's influence.

They received the advice to do so from inner-planet beings. Without the moon, there were five immediately observable changes:

(1) The most notable changes were in the mood and temperament of the beings/civilizations living there.
Without the moon, they became more calm and peaceful. Anxiety and emotional fear had a dramatic decline among the population and even the animals.
All living beings were affected.

(2) There were weather and climate changes. The oceans became much calmer. Heavy thunderstorms and lightning became a rarity.
The climate became balanced all over their planet. Extreme cold or heat became something of the past.

(3) They developed an enhanced new colour spectrum. They could see and differentiate between new colours in a way that they couldn't do before.

(4) A great majority of the population became aware of their telepathic communication abilities, especially between parents and children and among siblings.
Children born after the "demise" of the moon were able to communicate with inner-plane beings without the need of training, Elder guidance or instruments.

(5) There were major changes to their respiratory system. Their blood and breathing chemistry changed or adapted.

Children born after the moon's demise were able to hold their breath under water for hours at a time.

(d) I have to point out to the reader that there were certain topics that the Entity was very reluctant to address or to provide more detail on, other than what was already covered. Some topics were refused outright (these topics are classified). One of these "reluctant" topics was the naming and description of inner-Earth beings, their role in our development as well as the appointed hierarchy and who appointed such a hierarchy.

Go to the link above and read the introduction for information regarding the form of communication and the style of the Entities’ communication.


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Here we have the entity "Hidden Hand" commenting on the Council of Elders. Again it seems that no matter who you are in the cosmos one has to report to or ask permission from the Elders. I have read many times that for humanity to expand in consciousness we are required to experience negativity and separation from the divine source creator, I understand the concept.

Link here.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

What I do not quite get is if we already had negative, Angry, jealous beings controlling humanity with wars and divide and conquer scenarios, why did we need even more catalysts of negativity. I would have loved to ask Hidden Hand a few questions.

I will say however, that whoever Hidden Hand is he/she holds great knowledge and truths. I was not sure how much of Hidden Hands comment to post, but here you go.
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HH: This is a very good question, thank you. I will split it into two parts, and answer the second part after this. Firstly, the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our Galaxy.

There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Density perspective. When you reach higher Densities, you see that ultimately, everything balances, and there is only Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion, or 'thought-form'.

The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourselves. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. The ultimate paradox in all this, is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together, in order for us to be of the most Service to you, we must be utterly self-serving. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony.

As to the first part of your question, the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate.

I shall explain. Our initial contract was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitant's) evolutionary process.

As I mentioned, he was running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time, just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were, to visit Earth, and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws, and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh, to progress.

We explored many options, and reported our findings to the Council, and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully, was the introduction of Free Will. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with, it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst.

He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn't want to "lose control" of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed. We returned to Earth, and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option.

Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst. That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge.

He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's the beauty of Free Will I guess.

Next "problem" to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his off-spring, they are One, after all.

When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure.

We tried to leave again, and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein.

The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased.

The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a
long while. As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action.

Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there, the Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level.

The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.

As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'.

No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well.

But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy. This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.

ATS: OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement?

HH: Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game.
The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here.

Understand that, and you will understand the Game.
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[Billy]

Who are the 24 Elders part 3.

In 2005 a great friend of mine had been saying for a couple of years. After listening to me gabbing on about my experiences, that she had a book stored in her attic that she wanted to lend me.
This evening I was going on about the Elders and she said "right ok we are going to the attic to find this book" so after searching through boxes she found the book.

The book is titled "The only planet of choice" by transceiver Phyllis V Schemmer, first published in 1993. Phyllis announced that she was not a channeler, but a transceiver.

The book represents the outcome of 20yrs of work by a distinguished international research group whose members have been communicating through psychic transceiver, Phyllis Schlemmer, with an enlightened circle of universal beings known as the council of 9.

The entity who is the spokesman for this group is known by the name of Tom.

It is said in the book of Enoch, that books shall be given to certain people at the end of times. When I was reading this book all the dots connected, I highly recommend this book to everyone. I found some transcript online here.

http://ia600409.us.archive.org/16/items/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice/planet_choice.pdf

And some i have typed from the book itself.

This is just a teaser then hopefully you will purchase this amazing collection of knowledge. I am not sure how many quotes to share here but here you go. If you think there is to much text and you wish to skim, then read only the highlighted text. coloured red

Here is what Tom says about the 24 Elders and Universal civilizations.

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While the number twelve is vital to the above conversation, during the communications of May 1994, Tom asked me to make it quite clear that this use of the number twelve does not refer to the Council, nor should it be used by humankind as a 'cultist' number and finally to be aware "that there could be some 'output' [channelings, information] from civilisations not comprehending and saying that they are the Twelve".

Tom:We do not know how to explain. It is knowing and not knowing at the same time. Over a period of time - if you play a game with your mind in your head you reach a point in your mind where you know every game, is that not so? Therefore to create a game in which all parts of you had a choice to do as that part wished, but were connected, it would then create a game in which you did not know the results. Would that not be more jollyful?

Then the supposition came, how do we create that game? Not we, you understand, the Creator thought this. It is we and all. It is you and all.

So what is the best way to create that game? You can put it in a sphere and jumble it around but then you would recognise every part within the sphere, would you not? Therefore is it not better to release those energies to the most distant arenas? That is what happened. It was the releasing of the energy of the Creator that created.

The intelligence that said, 'I know all I do, now I do not know all I do and I do know all I do'. If you were to tell humankind it is a game, they would not understand.

JOHN: Maybe it can be explained, because it is a beautiful concept, that the Big Bang is the greatest game in town.

Tom: Universe. Is a town a universe? Yes. Council has said a town is a universe, yes.

GUEST: So you are confirming that the Big Bang astronomical theory of the beginning of the physical Universe, is the right kind of direction for scientists to follow?

Tom: That is correct.

JOHN: There is one God over other gods. The other gods are the representatives of the one God?

Tom: Yes. We are not representatives, but gods. There are gods of light and gods of darkness. Do you know why they are called gods?

ANDREW: I presume because they have extraordinary powers that are something like those of God.
Tom: Of which we are. Yes.

MIKI: Could you give us an understanding of God the Creator?

Tom: When you speak of God, do you mean the one that creates all?

MIKI: Yes.

Tom: There are those that are called 'God' that are appendages to God, that also create. But there is One, the highest, that is of the purest light, that is a composite of all, that creates all. Each soul in the whole Universe came directly from the true Creator, so each soul is imbued with this energy.

There is a collection of beings that generate outward points of this source, but when they come together as one pure energy of collectiveness then that energy becomes what you call 'God' that creates all. Each of these entities has individual knowledge or principle, but not of the whole.

There is only one that has the whole. When those energies that you call negative upon your planet Earth attempt to destroy, attempt to control others, it is because they are in competition with God, the one Creator. For in their cells they know the divinity within them, and their personality takes hold, and they then attempt to be God. It is sad, yes.

MIKI: Thank you. So in my understanding 'God' also represents the negative side.

Tom: That is not so. God created all, and that which became the negative went in competition with God: he does not represent them. I will attempt to explain.
The Council has said I must try.

There are gardeners who have been to this planet Earth. They are those who seeded this planet. You are a gardener, we will explain it in this way: as you know in your planting, you plant each seed with equal love, with equal nurture, with all that is necessary for it to grow strong and straight, in a manner of purity, there are some that are weak and some that are strong. There are those that you plant that become stronger to the point that they then may strangle others, is this not so?

Then you must remove, weed, transplant. But the Creator does not weed, does not interfere in free will, as you do with your plants. Then those who attempt to strangle and to take over others are fed by the energies of what you call negative, as we are fed by love, and they then begin to strangle all. They go in competition with that that planted them, that that created them.
Is this some clarity for you?

MIKI: Yes. So originally, what is now the negative once came from the Creator -but did God leave them?

Tom: When you say 'Did God leave them,' we understand not. Do you mean did he forsake them? Do you mean he threw them out?

MIKI: Yes.

Tom: No one can compete with God, for they have not truth within, for God is a collection of purity which means only goodness for all the Universe.
They threw themselves out by going in competition and having the desire to become all that is. That is not possible, for in order to that you must return to God. That is the sadness: they had not patience for understanding. They are attempting to disrupt the work of the Universe.

If you have one that you have loved, nurtured, fed, and have transferred great love to, and all you wished from it was for it to grow in beauty, straightness, flexibility, and love, giving as it has been given to, but it chooses not to do that, then there comes a time when you come to a realisation, that it must find for itself that it may not destroy others - and so in the Universe it is not discarded, but it is also not fed and supported, for that which loves it, it attempts to destroy.

What we are attempting to say is that God did not discard, but he does not help, for the negative refuses help. Is that clear?

JOHN: I'd like to ask now about a biblical statement: "in the beginning there was the Word." Can you explain this in a way that we can begin to really understand what that means?

Tom: "In the beginning there was the Word" - that is a translation error. But if you take it to mean that the Creator came forth and said: "That that is, that that I am, will be".
First, before the manifestation of any method or any creation, there was the communication of Being.

JOHN: Yes, I think I understand: what we would call the 'intentionality' is explicit and thought precedes action.

Tom: That is exactness, yes. By adding communication it is strengthened.

MIKI: I was thinking of the statement 'God created man in his own image'. Can you comment on that?

Tom: That is correct. Which means that all that He is you are; all that He knows you know; all that is good is contained within you; all that is pure is contained within you. And know this: that God knows that in order to manifest the spirit of God and soul within you, it is necessary to be in a physical form for that soul to function upon a physical vehicle [a Planet]. A physical form that has evolved to the stage of having two arms and two legs, and the senses to see, or feel, or touch, or hear. And you also have the sense of knowing.

MIKI: Thank you. Can you comment on the importance of consciousness?

Tom: Consciousness is that elevation of humankind into a sphere of connection with that that they created. You know that you created God, and that God created you. Do you know that?

MIKI: No.

Tom: Do you know that God could not exist without your creation, and that you could not exist without His creation of you?

MIKI: Yes, I get it now.
Tom: Yes. That is the importance of consciousness.
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The following exchange introduces the Civilisations, which will be examined in greater detail in the next chapter.

Tom: We understand the Earth plane, its entrapment, its density and its illusionary factor, yes.

IRENE: It'd be fun to have you here.

Tom: The time will come when all of us will be in togetherness, at the time of the elevation and transformational density of Planet Earth, in its rightful place of existence as the paradise of glory, yes.

JOHN: Where is that going to be?

Tom: Upon Planet Earth.

IRENE: Great! We're ready! Now specifically, I would like to go back to the creation and the Twenty-Four civilisations. Who created the Twenty-Four?
Or were they in fact a creation? Or were they in fact elements and particles that were brought together by you, but in fact they already had existence and you gave them order?

Tom: That is a large question. It was in this nature: there was one Creator, one energy, one pure light, one pure-being Self that contained all components of all that is.

It is extremely complicated, but in simplification, it came into that Being the knowledge, and wisdom to begin to divide the components of which it consisted, not to remove them but to build a structure. For in its aloneness it had only self for companion.

That was not wrong, but it was more valuable to create a situation whereby there was a separate element - to create a situation that would then have the structure to give the cells that would be populating different environmental existences, those portions necessary for its attainment of its choosing.
For it was found, in the creating by that that was created out of nothing, that there would be the necessity to expand this creating. Now what would be the purpose of creating nothing out of nothing? It was important to have created something.

So the Twenty-Four universal civilisations were created, as guides, elements of direction, elements of purpose and also to know that there would be some areas of civilisation (such as that of Altea) which would govern and rule that element of their existence all over the Universe, as Ashan does with colour, sound and arts.

It was a way for the Creator to expand and provide and begin those elements necessary for expansion, because once that was created, then the expansion would continue and it would go on and on. Therefore it needed the different elements that would make expansion purposeful. If the expansion continued with only the creating of Universes, with no purpose, then it would have served no purpose. Now have we confused you completely?

IRENE: No, not only does it not confuse, this is the most brilliant thing I've ever heard!
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This was a communication made in 1975 to a group of three people:

Tom: It is important now for us to pray together, because it is the beginning now of a sequence, in which, if everything goes right, the result will be the saving of the planet Earth, and the understanding and awakening of the souls of Planet Earth.
As the twelve of us are together - remember that many times we have spoken to you and explained that with twelve, and today it is Nine of us and the three of you, all things are possible.

If the planet can be saved, and will be saved, the entire Universe will be raised to a level that all souls will have gained the nature of what they have searched for from the beginning of time.

And remember that when the souls of the Universe have calmness and joy and peace within their hearts, and generate this love, it overtakes even those souls that are negative and dark, and brings life and love to them. And can you imagine that what you have come to this planet to do, when you accomplish it the entire Universe will be glowing with a light that will be blinding, because it will be a light of pure love. And all will become one, and that is what all have striven for:

ANDREW: I was trying to define your existence, and then our existence, and then the relationship between the two. And I might just prompt you with a question, for example:
are the Nine considered the ultimate source of knowledge, wisdom, and power, and so on in the Universe?

Tom: You are asking your relationship to us, is this not so? It is what you would call infinite intelligence. It is not of twenty-four. It is of twelve. (Nine of us and three humans in a triangle).

ANDREW: All right. And, if this is the fountainhead, or 'the unmoved mover' if that be a correct definition, then all your thoughts and actions somehow must be put into effect through other peoples, or groups of beings...
Tom: Universal Civilisations.

ANDREW: Ah, right. Do you yourself initiate the intelligence, the thought, but the action is always carried out by others?

Tom: By the civilisations.

ANDREW. And then at one time you hinted there were twenty-four major civilisations through which you acted?

Tom: When you say major, there are many. But there are twenty-four heads of civilisations.

ANDREW: I see. They themselves are part of those many civilisations, or just heads of large groups of civilisations?

Tom: They are heads of civilisations.

ANDREW: And these are what the Bible calls a 'Council of the Twenty-Four' and 'The Elders' and so on?

Tom: It would be the Congress.

JOHN: One question about that: these are all working on the same side, the positive side, or as the twenty-four?

Tom: The positive and the negative must be blended to make it whole. It is as we have explained to you: to be positive with no sense is not as good.
They are balanced civilisations. Do you have that in clearness?

ANDREW: I think we do now.

Tom: When you speak of positive, remember: refer to it as a balanced-positive.

ANDREW: Now, under those Twenty-Four, could you give us an example of one civilisation? Let us say - Hoova. Where does it fit in under the Twenty-Four?

Tom: When you speak of the Twenty-Four, you speak of the heads of the civilisations. There is one you know of as 'Jehovah'.

ANDREW: Jehovah? And then under him is his civilisation? So the Jehovah is one of the Twenty-Four.

Tom: Yes. It is known as Hoova. But he would have as a pyramid many under that
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ANDREW: I see, there would be many civilisations, right. Okay, now that clarifies that part. Now take our existence as ordinary human beings. Where do ordinary people come from, and why do they come here, and where do they go? This is one of the great mysteries to us.

Tom: All beings, all species come from us. There is a question that is asked by all beings and all species, and it is what you have asked: 'Who am I, where did I come from?' and 'Where am I going?' Is that not so?

ANDREW: That is the question, yes.

Tom: All species and all beings are particles of us. There is not a way for you to have this understanding. How may we explain?

ANDREW: Well, I have the understanding that they are part of you but they go through many cycles of existence before they reach Earth, is that not so?

Tom: Remember that the planet Earth is not that evolved. We are looking for an analogy to give you...

ANDREW: Well, could you say for example, that those who come to Earth all come from another given civilisation or planet or something like that?
Or state of existence? That is, is there a regular sequence or place through which they go before they come to the planet Earth?

Tom: Not in a particular planet. Depending on the needs of that soul. Some souls need more than some other souls. There are levels of intelligence, there are levels of consciousness. Not all are equal.

Remember this: it is not true that all are equal. There is a soul. The soul is a particle of us. If you have a giant electric spark, and you put two together that would cause a giant electric spot, there would be sparks that would come off it.
Those sparks would be part of us - but each of those sparks would either die out or continue to grow. Some may create a fire, and some may grow slowly, but it would depend upon the ambition of the spark.

ANDREW: Yes. Now, when that spark cycles through Earth, and achieves its full growth, does it go through other civilisations………?

Tom: It must.

ANDREW: lt doesn't return directly to you?

Tom: It will continue for millions of years. But it cannot continue if it stays upon the planet Earth. If you will recall, in a previous communication we had explained to you that the planet Earth is the only planet within the Universe that has the variety of animals and plants. It is the most beautiful of all planets, because of the different varieties. This in a sense, attracts the souls, and they have desires to remain upon it. In other civilisations, the souls feel, and they have all the qualifications which you have, but it is more physical upon the planet Earth.

JOHN: There is a very large question: what is the purpose of a soul? In existing on all its civilisations and so on?

Tom: If a soul becomes what you call perfect, then it is... if we could explain this to you,

ANDREW: What we're really asking is: if we had to tell a human being what the purpose of life is, what is the most succinct answer?

Tom: You may tell what has been told to humans many times, but was not given to them in clear understanding: that the purpose of their existence and the purpose of their living is to return to whence they came.

ANDREW: Yes. And how can they, while they are on this Earth with all its problems? What is it that they can best do in order to return to the source?

Tom: If they would treat all as they have desire to be treated. If they would walk in dignity and permit no one to remove their dignity, and if they would have love for all their fellow humans, and for all those that touch them - for this in turn sends love to us.
We ask not that they have a total understanding of us.

ANDREW: Yes. But in essence then, God feeds on this kind of nectar, so to say.

Tom: Yes.

ANDREW: I think that people would love that idea.

Tom: We have the creation, we have created this, but it in truth has created us.

ANDREW: Now that part which, let us say, you feed on, is it totally immaterial,
that nature of love - something that has no material or physical existence?
Since you are not material in any way, you must feed on something immaterial..?

Tom: It is an energy. It is not something you may hold in your hand. It is a spark that is a glow that emanates, and it grows, and becomes a shining sun, and then it returns to us.

ANDREW: Yes. I find that very beautiful and very satisfying, don't you John?

JOHN: Yes, this is the upward spiral, I imagine. Then it's sent out again, on a higher level again, is that so?

Tom: Yes. It is integrated.

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Tom: The Council of Nine has asked that I, the spokesman, Tom, explain a little to you of the structure and relationships in the Universe.
We are nine that exist independently and exist in wholeness in the Universe, in a place that you could identify as the zone of cold.

We are not physical, as you are physical or as Altea or Hoova are physical (and this again is not the same manner as yours but it is also physical).
If need be, we may manifest but we are pure energy.

Together we oversee and I, Tom, relate all that we wish to convey to Planet Earth from the Council of the Nine, of which I am one.

In relationship to us there are Twenty-Four physical civilisations, in another dimensional realm.

Each is a total collective consciousness that oversees and from these civilisations physical beings have incarnated upon your Planet Earth, and at times have intervened, when necessary.

These physical civilisations, the Twenty-Four, each in its own dimension, are total and complete units of one collective consciousness that have agreed to be in that collective consciousness. They have evolved to that form of action to oversee, to pass through information of great importance, and help other physical civilisations in their evolutionary process.

An example would be the civilisation of Altea; as we are in another realm of existence, we depend upon Altea for communicating with you.

They guard the body of our being while you are in communication with us, and they provide the technology for us to communicate. Altea was also the head of what you know as the physical civilisation that manifested upon Planet Earth as Atlantis.

There are other civilisations - and there are amongst you incarnate souls from those civilisations who have come to help Planet Earth. One of these civilisations, Hoova, was the civilisation that originally seeded Planet Earth,as did some of the others, but Hoova re-seeded Planet Earth on three occasions.

Hoova is the civilisation from which the Hebrews derive: hence the importance of the Hebrews. Hoova is the civilisation that brought forth the Nazarene.

GENE: Are there any civilisations or races within our galaxy visiting us at present?

Tom: Yes. There are civilisations of different dimensions, different intelligence, different evolving, that are working with the Twenty-Four civilizations.

There are those within your galaxy that are in service to those that are attempting to salvage the Planet Earth. But they are not the primaries (the Twenty-Four).

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Years later, the following exchange brought out another perspective on the physicality of the beings of the Universal Civilizations:

JOHN: Do civilizations like Altea and others of the Twenty-Four exist on a physical planet that is in our understanding of physical - we know they have form in their own time-space envelope, but do they have a physical planet we could locate in our time and space?

Tom: You mean does it have density?

JOHN: Does it have the same density as us?

Tom: You cannot have the same density as Planet Earth.

Tom: Not correct. If a device were designed that could see to the furthermost reaches of the Universe, then you would see also different levels of densities.
Within their civilisations the Twenty-Four have attained perfection, unity of oneness, complete obedience to the Creator, so therefore they understand their physical world, and are not tricked by physicalness.

You know that this place you sit upon is made of billions of trillions of molecules, is that not so? You do not see that, therefore you would think it doesn't exist like that, yes? If you were to see the civilisation Altea, you would see it is physical in movement.

JOHN: So it has a form, but a kind of form we could not comprehend, because we do not have experience of that form in our lives?

Tom: It is physical. It has evolved to the point where the physical and spiritual are in harmony and balance, and that is what you must achieve, so you can enter with the Twenty-Four.

JOHN: Now when the Twenty-Four interact with our solar system, I believe you said once that they may use other physical planets as a way of stepping down towards us, so there may be physical planets in our solar system that are used by individual civilizations..?

Tom: Not by the Twenty-Four. By Sub-civilisations. The Twenty-Four have no need.

GENE: There's a question that I cannot avoid asking: why you do not give strong and definite signs of your existence or proximity, on top of approaching humanity by indirect means such as these channellings, or other ways? Obviously you have your reasons, but this question does matter to me.

Tom: It is of great importance for you to understand that the governments of your world of Earth have refused to believe, or to convey to the people, our existence.

If there were an attempt by the civilizations to land upon Planet Earth in a mass situation, which in truth will come to pass in the course of time, the people upon Planet Earth would panic, for they have not the understanding, the knowledge, that we would mean no harm to them.

Remember this: there are also certain civilisations, not of the Twenty-Four or their helper civilisations, that have a great desire to control Earth, to keep souls in bondage.

And these civilisations have landed at times upon Planet Earth and have created difficulty, which they forced on Earth people.

It is important that there is no panic amongst those that exist on the Planet Earth: that the knowledge be brought to them in gentleness, that those of the Twenty-Four civilizations mean no harm to them. This is of great importance, for if there were panic, humans may then attempt to end their own life, and also the lives of their families and neighbours, which would not serve any purpose.

The governments of your world have refused to accept that there are others of a higher intelligence, and in truth of a more spiritual intelligence than those that exist upon the Planet Earth. We need to convey to the people that there are others that mean them no harm, but have an interest in saving Planet Earth.
For in truth, if there are no other civilisations to help Planet Earth, it will bring destruction to itself.

We do not come to control, we do not come to hold in bondage, we will come with love and patience and understanding but since there is the denial of our existence, how can those of Planet Earth accept the fact that the civilisations of Altea, Hoova, Ashan, and the rest of the Twenty-Four, mean well?
understand how to refine the physical in relation to the spiritual. Many Alteans - the greater majority - have lived on Planet Earth:

that is why they have a great wish to help Planet Earth. There are the Twenty-Four civilisations that are in direct service to us.

There are in truth Twelve of two. The Twenty-Four civilisations also are physical.
At this present time, the civilisations are working with each other to move into balance, and to resolve all residues of difficulty.

Because the Twenty-Four are in a form of physicalness, they also have some of the difficulties associated with physicalness not to the extent of the Earth, but nevertheless to the degree that they have. If they had reached perfection, they would have merged with us.

Among the Twenty-Four civilisations, not all have manifested upon the physical Earth. There are those that have seeded Planet Earth, but there are also those that have not - such as those that have been to Earth but have not been involved with the work of the other civilizations.

Each of those civilizations - in particular those involved with Planet Earth, and those that have not been involved with it but have sent a representative - need to be brought into balance.

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This next part is taken from a conversation where some world leaders are involved with secret projects with some ET's who do not have the betterment of humanity in their actions.

John. At what level in the United States is this project controlled.

Tom. The highest level.

John. So is it from the president down?

Tom. He is not the one who controls, But a head of state was involved in the past, this is an exceptional matter. (1990)

John. So is it the C.I.A. who controls the project.

Tom. That term is not correct, it is not in a form. This is the creation of an element that is above that.

what is important is that you begin to understand the implications.
In times past humanity did not comprehend the information we have given about the civilizations and the council of nine.

NOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO COMPREHEND, and know that what was begun in times past does exist, and continues, and it is time for humankind to know the importance of this information, but in a time when there can be directness, without interference from governments of humankind.
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Some information regarding the different civilizations and their names.

Tom: Altea, we will say to you, is eternal. A Hoovid would live approximately one million of your years. The civilization of Hoova is the one that brought forth the nation of the Hebrews.
They came to Planet Earth for this in the time of Sumer (whence Abraham came), and at the time when it is said in your books about 'the sons of the gods merging with the daughters of the Earth' and they came one other time also. As they were the one civilisation that had sustained energy and were determined to survive, they elected to play a central historical role on Planet Earth their descendants represent a microcosm on Earth.

Ashan communicates through the artistic. You understand that those of Ashan are not always capable of discipline? May we just say to you that for the millions of Hoovids there are only a handful of Ashans. They come through by their own means. They are of creativity - if you will look into the culture of the Chinese, you will see the effects of their influence.
Ashan is the creator of music, it is the creator of the beauty upon the Earth, it is the civilisation that creates muses. The Scandinavians were of Ashan as were the Phoenicians.

JOHN: They were very artistic with glass, I understand

Tom: Yes. They were bohemians. Ashan is lithe of body, and light as the wind, and as the sounding of crystal, do you understand?

JOHN: Yes, that's very graphic.

Tom: They are what you would call the surrealists of the Universe. Involved particularly with Earth, you have Hoova, Ashan and Altea.

JOHN: Yes. Hoova works with the physical?

Tom: Yes.

JOHN: And the astral, the creative, the emotional is Ashan?

Tom: Yes. And Altea works with the mental. It is the blending of three primaries, Altea, Hoova and Ashan, which brings together the connection and the coupling of Planet Earth with the Universe.

All involved with Aragon (Jose Arigo the Brazilian Healer for example) are involved in healing. It is different from Ancore, Ancore works under Aragon. They work in conjunction towards perfecting the health of humankind.

They work together, as Spectra works for Hoova. Zeneel represents a similar principle to a computer but not just like a computer... we know not how to express it... Zeneel works with interplay, interchange. Zeemed and Zenthorp are worker civilizations of Zeneel.
They give a specialized structure of understanding and ability in the bringing forth of the energy of Zeneel. Zeneel is light and joyful and orderly. When we say 'orderly' we mean the creating of order in the color energy. Zeneel is the alchemist of the civilizations.

Listen guys I could quite happily quote the whole book. There is much more information than I can Share. Mu. Atalantis. 32.000 yrs of history and before.
but I hope you get what I am attempting to share here, and more parts of the jigsaw puzzle have joined together to allow you to glimpse the bigger picture of who the 24 Elders are.

More info on this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40522-Scientists-postulate-Extraterrestrial-genes-in-Human-DNA&p=426518#post426518[COLOR="red"]

[Billy]

Who are the 24 Elders Part 4


Now this last section will bring forward what some scientist have brought to the table this last few years. Scientist who in some cases have managed to think outside the restriction box.
Our Junk DNA is the topic. Here I allow you to do your own research. there are quite a few threads already here on Avalon on this topic.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44560-Science-Theories-of-Rh-negative-DNA-Origins-natural-mutation-or-Alien.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40522-Scientists-postulate-Extraterrestrial-genes-in-Human-DNA&p=426518#post426518

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26127-Junk-DNA-or-a-primer-for-universal-consciousness&p=270191&viewfull=1#post270191.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42172-Junk-DNA.





what I am asking is for everyone to think and use their imagination that there may be a connection to our 12 double helix DNA system and the 24 (12+12) civilizations that seeded the 12 different tribes of humanity. Do we now have a little more knowledge of who we are and where we come from.

Heading. Junk DNA possible ET origin. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_genoma03.htm

Quote:
Junk DNA
The big surprise to the scientists was that active genes make up only tiny fractions of the entire genome. Incredibly, they only make up 3 percent of the total DNA in our chromosomes. The genes are either alone or clustered together in larger groups, but in between each gene sequence, there are long stretches of DNA which do not appear to contain any type of code for anything.

These stretches have now been referred to by scientists as “Junk DNA,” mainly because they have not figured out what secret message it contains.
Michael Tellinger (Slave Species of God)

Alien DNA group of researchers working at the Human Genome Project will be announcing soon that they made an astonishing scientific discovery: They believe so-called non-coding sequences (97%) in human DNA is no less than genetic code of an unknown extraterrestrial life form.
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Russian DNA Discoveries Explain Human 'Paranormal' Events. http://rense.com/general62/expl.htm

Quote:
Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained.

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self-healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mindâ¬"s influence on weather patterns and much more.

The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore that 90% of "junk DNA." Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!

According to their findings, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - especially in the apparent "useless" 90% - follows the same rules as all our human languages.
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"Junk DNA"
Over 98 percent of DNA has largely unknown function. http://www.psrast.org/junkdna.htm

Quote:

Increasing evidence is now indicating that this DNA is not "junk" at all. Especially, it has been found to have various regulatory roles. This means that this so-called "non-coding DNA" influences the behavior of the genes, the "coding DNA," in important ways.

However it has been found that the sequence of the syllables is not random at all and has a striking resemblance with the structure of human language (ref. Flam, F. "Hints of a language in junk DNA", Science 266:1320, 1994, see quote below). Therefore, scientists now generally believe that this DNA must contain some kind of coded information. But the code and its function is yet completely unknown.
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Junk DNA Was Created by Alien Programmers

http://ascensionenergyprogram.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/junk-dna-was-created-by-alien.html

Quote:

This is an article that you should probably re-read several times. 97% of our DNA is said to be created by Alien programmers. There are two codes at work here. A master code for a Superman with a thousand year lifespan and a flawed code for a limited slave race that just digs gold ages fast and is not all that bright.

Ascension Energy- turning on the junk that will make us immortal with Unified field technologies.
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Scientists Prove DNA Can Be Reprogrammed by Words and Frequencies.

http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/12/scientist-prove-dna-can-be-reprogrammed-by-words-frequencies/

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I think this takes me to the end of this thread, I am going brain dead now. I did have more links but I lost 20% of my research when my laptop was zapped a couple of months ago. Alex Collier, Bruce Lipton, Goerge Kavassilas and Pane Andov, were just a few more that had input concerning the above topics. If you happen to come across more information from those guys and others please post it in here.

I thank Bill Ryan for inviting me into his house to gather with fellow Avalonians to sit around a table a discuss/debate topics with respect and consideration towards others. This is what the intention is with the above information.

I ask you all from now on that if you find yourselves in a position to enquire further as to who the Elders are, please use that opportunity wisely. Then share it here.

For example, I speak to Kerry and others here who interview certain individuals. If someone like John Kettler drops in with an Elder reference, please prompt him further.
If he does not know, then ask him to ask his contacts for more information. If they do not wish to disclose more information, ask Why. As the Elders wish humanity to be aware of them.

Christians ask your ministers and priests who the 24 elders are. If they reply, “I do not know” or give you an answer that does not make sense, Gently educate them.

The Elders/civilizations have said that they wish humankind to have awareness of them. This was in 1976. And still today I see no evidence that humanity has any awareness of them.

I leave you with a few words from Tom.

Tom: It was your choosing. You are not here by accident. In your accomplishments, and in that which you will accomplish for the purification of the planet Earth, if you choose to be reborn upon the planet Earth in your next life you will then have memory,

Know this: each and every human is in a position of great responsibility to bring about change in humankind, and that each of you does create a difference in the lives of those that you touch, even though you may not know it.

Therefore the importance of maintaining an integral self, and being honest within self and with others must be of the highest priority. It is important to know that each of you has within you a crystallisation of the spirit that removes itself from the ins and outs of your life, and comes outward as a beam that touches and inspires, and brings to those in contact with you the necessary energies for changing the self within and creating a difference in their own and others' lives.

It is important to bring the mind together with the spirit and the emotions, to bring them into a complete whole being. It is important that each of you be a battery for that to happen for other humans also. Know this: at times the battery just needs to be, do you understand? This lifetime is the most important that you have ever chosen. Those of the past were past experiences for preparation for this one.

It is important to know that what is past is past, and what is coming in the future does not make a difference at this moment: it is this moment in time which makes the difference. Each moment is a new beginning.
Each moment should be experienced and touched. The memories of those moments, as also the memories of past lives, benefit you, and it is in preparation for the future. But it is when you are in this moment that you are who you are, that you are at the centre of the Universe. Anticipation over the future causes anxiety. When you be with this moment, the future is but the next moment.

Know always you are loved, and walk in the knowledge of that love and who you are. Work in cohesiveness and love with each other, as we do with you.
We give you love, we bring to you peace. We are always with you.
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Billyji here again. In concluding, My own personal belief is that humanity has the essence of many universal civilizations within them. Those civilizations are from many levels. from the highest to the lowest. Humanity has within them the Key towards universal peace. This peace begins with self then expands outwards to our neighbours and countries, Then the universal peace begins. because we have brought them together within us.
Peace be with you all.
Billyji

I thank our Moderator Marianne, Administrator Paul And Fred Steeves for all their advice and assistance during the creation of this thread. Paul i hope the glue is good quality. :thumb:

[Beren]

Thank you for this thread!

It confirms my findings over many years.
I hope now you will understand and many of why I trust God and Christ and Bible.
We are of God. Source of all life and Love itself. We`re inheritors or all.

And we`re multidimensional.
When we understand this fact that we are multidimensional then we will understand that tools are all around us for rediscovery of us.
Bible.God.Jesus.Man.Spirit.Soul.

It`s all multidimensional. It depends from your own level of consciousness will you understand Bible or not. Will you understand God or not Will you understand Christ or not.

As you said you studied it for years. I was and am too.
And as my conscience grew the spirit taught me into many gems inside of it.

Christian religions are miles away from truth despite being an inch close to it.
Love is the answer.

When you Love you align yourself with God at the frequency of God (source) and then all transpires before your being.
You understand, your see, you hear, you live.

We should allow Love to work through us. That was and is Jesus `s message. Not to follow or worship or be someone who we aren`t.
We have to embrace love in order to understand God.
And all the doors will be open.

All understanding.
Knowledge and wisdom.

Elders mentioned in revelation are always praising Creator. Throwing crowns down in a symbolic representation that an ultimate power is God.
And beauty is that through Christ (God`s materialized Love) we are becoming God itself.

So again Love is the answer. But since Love is all there is levels of Love are present. Many levels.
Some get confused by this and get stuck not being sure are they loving or not. Are they judgmental or not, are they hating or not,fearing or not.

Main impulse id the let go of everything and BE Love. In every second , every day, every week and every year.
Consciously be Love. See then how miracles bloom for and before you.

Elders want us to understand this for we are God`s children. God in the making anew.

[CD7]

Interesting thread BJ...enjoyed the read! I like simple analogies to shed light on certain perspectives of our existence. Love the garden example...i think of analogies with gardening to try to grasp whats going on here. I think of a 'garden tender,' weeds, lack of water and sun in certain places...and an overabundance in others. I often think its like the 'gardeners' left and we are here to tend the garden ourselves...resulting in well, quite a messy garden

I can envision an overarching plan tht does not always make sense...its being in it and watching it take place that seems the most difficult to me...Patience has never been a strong part of my virtues...




The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes.


The MORE u know about the game...the more frustrating it can be....and senseless as well <--------when i say this i am more relating to the 'culture' 'modern society' game. So perhaps THE OVERARCHING GAME would relate a different perspective?

[gripreaper]

It still appears hierarchical to me. One creator god, then twelve elder who get to decide, then dualistic polarities, all explained through the mind.

[Beren]

It still appears hierarchical to me. One creator god, then twelve elder who get to decide, then dualistic polarities, all explained through the mind.

Well everything is hierarchical in life as a natural way of things. The thing that makes a difference is the knowledge that despite someone being in higher rank than you - he`s not better or worthier than you.
Lower conscience adds this negative element into this game. Meaning that if I`m higher than you- it means I`m better. Ofcourse this isn`t true-this is ego`s bitchin`...
:)

[Billy]

It still appears hierarchical to me. One creator god, then twelve elder who get to decide, then dualistic polarities, all explained through the mind.

Someone said recently. If you are flying in a plane and i am on the ground, that does make you any a better than me.

We are just viewing from a different perspective.

Peace

[seko]

Hi billyji, may be they are talking about Astrology here, 24 hours -( horus-sun) Time ruled by Cronos-Saturn

12 zodiac signs(one in every two hours of the day) Aries-6am-8am, Taurus 8am-10am Gemini 10am 12pm etc etc...

12 tribes of Israel - 12 months of the year.

4 animals (Lion Leo) (Man Aquarius) (Ox Taurus) ( Eagle Scorpion)

7 planets and or 7 chakras.

[Billy]

Interesting thread BJ...enjoyed the read! I like simple analogies to shed light on certain perspectives of our existence. Love the garden example...i think of analogies with gardening to try to grasp whats going on here. I think of a 'garden tender,' weeds, lack of water and sun in certain places...and an overabundance in others. I often think its like the 'gardeners' left and we are here to tend the garden ourselves...resulting in well, quite a messy garden


I agree Christine that humanity has left our beautiful garden quite messy. I also like simple analogies, I like the egg example describing free will.
This thread is a long read and i am pleased you enjoyed it.

When i was in Bosnia staying with and assisting the Muslim's, witnessing the genocide, I was not enjoying this game one bit, One day i shouted at my creator that his divine plan sucked. The reply came quickly and clearly. Billy you can create a better plan if you wish. Ok i said. Game on.

Peace

[Swanette]

Incredible thread! Everything seems to start to 'fit' now.....to fall into place with what I have been learning so far.

Thank you very much billji :hug:

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Have found a reference to 24 elders in Urantia Book. Though it may be of some relevance. If you think it is not, feel free to ask for deletion of my post :)

Source: http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-45-local-system-administration WARNING! CHANNELED MATERIAL

(...)
4. The Four and Twenty Counselors

(513.4) 45:4.1 At the center of the seven angelic residential circles on Jerusem is located the headquarters of the Urantia advisory council, the four and twenty counselors. John the Revelator called them the four and twenty elders: “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats, and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment.” The throne in the center of this group is the judgment seat of the presiding archangel, the throne of the resurrection roll call of mercy and justice for all Satania. This judgment seat has always been on Jerusem, but the twenty-four surrounding seats were placed in position no more than nineteen hundred years ago, soon after Christ Michael was elevated to the full sovereignty of Nebadon. These four and twenty counselors are his personal agents on Jerusem, and they have authority to represent the Master Son in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system. They are the designated agents for executing the special requests of Gabriel and the unusual mandates of Michael.

(513.5) 45:4.2 These twenty-four counselors have been recruited from the eight Urantia races, and the last of this group were assembled at the time of the resurrection roll call of Michael, nineteen hundred years ago. This Urantia advisory council is made up of the following

(513.6) 45:4.3 1. Onagar, the master mind of the pre-Planetary Prince age, who directed his fellows in the worship of “The Breath Giver.”

(513.7) 45:4.4 2. Mansant, the great teacher of the post-Planetary Prince age on Urantia, who pointed his fellows to the veneration of “The Great Light.”

(513.8) 45:4.5 3. Onamonalonton, a far-distant leader of the red man and the one who directed this race from the worship of many gods to the veneration of “The Great Spirit.”

(513.9) 45:4.6 4. Orlandof, a prince of the blue men and their leader in the recognition of the divinity of “The Supreme Chief.”

(513.10) 45:4.7 5. Porshunta, the oracle of the extinct orange race and the leader of this people in the worship of “The Great Teacher.”

(513.11) 45:4.8 6. Singlangton, the first of the yellow men to teach and lead his people in the worship of “One Truth” instead of many. Thousands of years ago the yellow man knew of the one God.

(513.12) 45:4.9 7. Fantad, the deliverer of the green men from darkness and their leader in the worship of “The One Source of Life.”

(513.13) 45:4.10 8. Orvonon, the enlightener of the indigo races and their leader in the onetime service of “The God of Gods.”

(514.1) 45:4.11 9. Adam, the discredited but rehabilitated planetary father of Urantia, a Material Son of God who was relegated to the likeness of mortal flesh, but who survived and was subsequently elevated to this position by the decree of Michael.

(514.2) 45:4.12 10. Eve, the mother of the violet race of Urantia, who suffered the penalty of default with her mate and was also rehabilitated with him and assigned to serve with this group of mortal survivors.

(514.3) 45:4.13 11. Enoch, the first of the mortals of Urantia to fuse with the Thought Adjuster during the mortal life in the flesh.

(514.4) 45:4.14 12. Moses, the emancipator of a remnant of the submerged violet race and the instigator of the revival of the worship of the Universal Father under the name of “The God of Israel.”

(514.5) 45:4.15 13. Elijah, a translated soul of brilliant spiritual achievement during the post-Material Son age.

(514.6) 45:4.16 14. Machiventa Melchizedek, the only Son of this order to bestow himself upon the Urantia races. While still numbered as a Melchizedek, he has become “forever a minister of the Most Highs,” eternally assuming the assignment of service as a mortal ascender, having sojourned on Urantia in the likeness of mortal flesh at Salem in the days of Abraham. This Melchizedek has latterly been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia with headquarters on Jerusem and authority to act in behalf of Michael, who is actually the Planetary Prince of the world whereon he experienced his terminal bestowal in human form. Notwithstanding this, Urantia is still supervised by successive resident governors general, members of the four and twenty counselors.

(514.7) 45:4.17 15. John the Baptist, the forerunner of Michael’s mission on Urantia and, in the flesh, distant cousin of the Son of Man.

(514.8) 45:4.18 16. 1-2-3 the First, the leader of the loyal midway creatures in the service of Gabriel at the time of the Caligastia betrayal, elevated to this position by Michael soon after his entrance upon unconditioned sovereignty.

(514.9) 45:4.19 These selected personalities are exempt from the ascension regime for the time being, on Gabriel’s request, and we have no idea how long they may serve in this capacity.

(514.10) 45:4.20 Seats numbers 17, 18, 19, and 20 are not permanently occupied. They are temporarily filled by the unanimous consent of the sixteen permanent members, being kept open for later assignment to ascending mortals from the present postbestowal Son age on Urantia.

(514.11) 45:4.21 Numbers 21, 22, 23, and 24 are likewise temporarily filled while being held in reserve for the great teachers of other and subsequent ages which undoubtedly will follow the present age. Eras of the Magisterial Sons and Teacher Sons and the ages of light and life are to be anticipated on Urantia, regardless of unexpected visitations of divine Sons which may or may not occur.
(...)

[4evrneo]

This is very fascinating to read. I think I am going to have to read it again but it is making some sense.

Thank you for this post billyji !
Annette

[AwakeInADream]

This is a great thread, I will read it more than once, lots of great links too.

I'm a little put off by the term 'Lucifer'(I'll get over it), but the whole thing does makes sense.
If I understand correctly does this mean that the world is about to go through another 'Dark Night of the Soul', or is all that behind us now and can we finally wake up?

Speaking of Revelations, what is your take on the number 666. I understand (perhaps wrongly) that it is the number of Man, and that the number of the beast is an unknown quantity in an equation involving Man(666 or as Adam=45) and Wisdom (Sophia in Greek=718/ in Hebrew Chochmah=73).

I believe we have been wrongly taught to fear the number 666 and that it might even have healing qualities when used as a frequency.

Do you know in which language The Book of Revelations was written?
This would help me greatly in my studies If I knew. I heard it was written in Aramaic, I'd love to study the Gematria there if it was...

Anyway Thank's BillyJi for a great read and the inspiration to look deeper and study further.:)

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Sorry for this... Just can't resist... Number 666 appears in UB too ;) But as a tailing of the bigger number assigned to our planet. The whole number is 5.342.482.337.666... And our planet is located in the system of Satania.
Source: http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-15-seven-superuniverses

[Billy]

Hi

Have found a reference to 24 elders in Urantia Book. Though it may be of some relevance. If you think it is not, feel free to ask for deletion of my post :)



Thank you for you're input Robert, everything is relevant, I have not come across the Urantia book. Interesting, I am not sure about the 24 having gathered only 1900 yrs ago. As they seemed to have been in congress or council not long after the beginning of creation. But there may have been different stages of the Elders actions. plus when you read on in revelation it says that the one being that elders sit around in the circle, is the lamb that laid down his life for humanity. And not the protector of humanity AA Michael.

Food for thought there. and this is what i hoped would happen, that more information would be brought to the Avalonian Table.

Peace

[Billy]

This is a great thread, I will read it more than once, lots of great links too.

I'm a little put off by the term 'Lucifer'(I'll get over it), but the whole thing does makes sense.
If I understand correctly does this mean that the world is about to go through another 'Dark Night of the Soul', or is all that behind us now and can we finally wake up?

Speaking of Revelations, what is your take on the number 666. I understand (perhaps wrongly) that it is the number of Man, and that the number of the beast is an unknown quantity in an equation involving Man(666 or as Adam=45) and Wisdom (Sophia in Greek=718/ in Hebrew Chochmah=73).

I believe we have been wrongly taught to fear the number 666 and that it might even have healing qualities when used as a frequency.

Do you know in which language The Book of Revelations was written?
This would help me greatly in my studies If I knew. I heard it was written in Aramaic, I'd love to study the Gematria there if it was...

Anyway Thank's BillyJi for a great read and the inspiration to look deeper and study further.:)

Thank you Awakeinadream.

I agree with you with what the entity hidden hand brought forward. As you can read at the beginning of Hidden Hands section above. What i was doing was sharing what others have said concerning the Elders. And Hidden Hand does hold knowledge of them. Whether Hidden Hand is like he says for the betterment of humanity, or not i have no judgment I would still love to chat with Hidden Hand.

They are not really sure if revelations was written in Aramaic, Greek or Hebrew. (Maybe a mix) Aramaic is the most popular theory. What we do know is that the Revelations we have been presented with in the bible, Is not the complete works of John. Some say a whole chapter was missed out. That was one of the links amongst others i lost a couple of months ago when my laptop decided to die on me.

I have never worked out the 666 thingy, :noidea: Yes humanity fears far to much for their own good.

Peace

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Billy, in UB AA Michael, Christ Michael, Master Son, Jesus is the same being... Our Creator...

[AwakeInADream]

Did you know that the Archangel Michael in Hebrew gematria is 101 and that in English numerology the name Melchizedek is also 101. Interesting...

I have the Urantia book, but I haven't read it all(it's very big). Some of the concepts fascinate me but I do find it hard to suspend my disbelief, although the name Melchizedek does resonate strongly with me.

Didn't Jimi Hendrix love the UB, or was that something else?

[Cidersomerset]

I read it as a book beginning at page one. When I get to the last chapter (revelations) I find the 24 Elders mentioned for the first time and I ask myself.

Revolations is supposed to be the first book of the bible and Genesis the last so the 'Garden of Eden' is yet to happen !

Hi Billy J heavy thread ..LOL..As you know I have heard Ion talk about this in great detail, but its not something that I know enough other than his version to debate.
I know you did not resonate with it on the main ascension thread but I don't know if you saw artists Shiella Kerns painting and interpretations ? on a seperate thread .

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42805-ION-INSPIRED-ART-Sheila-Kern-Artist-Art-of-a-New-Alchemy.....On-James-Martinez....

I like the concept we are all Gods and are about to come back to our power, but we will see. In the end it only matters what each of us individually want to believe
Thats how religion and amnesia has had us in the little man mode for thousands of years..

[SilentFeathers]

The "24" are not humans or angels....

[lookbeyond]

Hi Silentfeathers, can you elaborate?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Kimberley]

Thank you BillyJ,

I will have to come back to this to read all..however I have been friends with Billy for a few years now and know how genuine he and his experiences are.

If you are interested you can hear Billy talking about his experiences in these two interviews with him that we did ... Billy is a very loved freind of mine!!! :-)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2010/12/21/living-in-the-nowyou-have-the-power-to-decide

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/belovenow/2011/02/01/be-love-now-living-in-the-now

Much love to us all!! :grouphug:

[kersley]

Great work Billyj.
I would like to know more about what HH said in regards to who are these beings in the earth. where can I read more about this?
Cheers

[Billy]

The "24" are not humans or angels....

Hi Silentfeathers. I say you are correct about the angels but i believe that some of the 24 have human form. Maybe you could explain you're comment further.

Peace

[Billy]

Great work Billyj.
I would like to know more about what HH said in regards to who are these beings in the earth. where can I read more about this?
Cheers

Hi Kersley. Thank you.

The only information i have on HH are the links i already provided. HH arrived at ATS forum and spent a little time communicating with members then left. you can read all that was said through the link i provided.

peace

[deridan]

read till there:
"I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet. " Close", I was told. The reply was "More than that" I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected to universal civilizations."


& the punch is so great i must believe u, [& just mellow that far into your song for now.]Greetings, greetings kindred and longer than i yearHere now

[SilentFeathers]

Hi Silentfeathers, can you elaborate?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond



The "24" are not humans or angels....

Hi Silentfeathers. I say you are correct about the angels but i believe that some of the 24 have human form. Maybe you could explain you're comment further.

Peace

I honestly can't remember.....I did an extensive translation study about this (Revelation/24 elders/etc) probably about 30 years ago, I would have to dig all my papers out on this and really don't have time nor feel like it.

But what I do remember from all those years ago is that in my own mind through this research and study is I recall till this day quite vividly that I personally came to my own conclusion back then that the 24 Elders could not be human nor angels....I recall it had something to do with the translations, almost every English Bible is not translated correctly and quite misleading to say the least.

[Billy]

read till there:
"I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet. " Close", I was told. The reply was "More than that" I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected to universal civilizations."


& the punch is so great i must believe u, [& just mellow that far into your song for now.]Greetings, greetings kindred and longer than i yearHere now

Thank you for you're response deridan. I am trying to read into you're comment here. There is no requirement in believing others when they are expressing or sharing a personal experience.

If one reads further into the thread maybe some parts of my picture of the jigsaw will begin to form a personal picture for the reader. All i asked from the reader is to use some imagination with what i present here. As i was also recommended to use my imagination as a creative energy when i had my experience in Bosnia with Mother Mary. I agree with what Einstien says concerning imagination.

1. “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”

2. “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

The latter part of you're comment, I am sorry to say, I do not understand.

Enjoy my song.

Peace

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks for this, a great read I have to say...

I don't usually hold with channelled material, as it is either A) mostly garbled by human-ego factors, B) comes from some 'source' (psyop/spiritual) whose chief intent is to deceive.

So very few I will trust, but a litmus test of the nature of the information can quickly ascertain what is what, and this 24-elders material aligns very closely with my own understanding, a lot of which is drawn from 'The Law of One' - the Ra Material. Have you Billyji encountered this yet, and how does it fit into your current paradigm?

cheers

[rgray222]

Billy
I enjoyed your post but to be honest it was long and at times hard to follow (at least for me). What I am about to say please take it in the spirit it was meant. I think sometimes people have a tendency to give us way too much information (not just on Avalon but on websites, newspapers etc) it seems that a summary with all the salient points might work much better, that way no one gets left in the weeds attempting to find their way out. Also it would provide a forum for those that are interested to ask questions to get additional information if they desire it.
I have read through the thread several times and have some questions I would like to get your thoughts on.
Like you have done on your post I will provide a bit of background on myself
My Beliefs

I was raised a Catholic but over the years have attended virtually every church I could go to from Baptist to Synagogue in an attempt to find one that fit my personality and evolving beliefs. I have come to regard organized religion as a mechanism to shape man's behavior. I believe the intention was good but it is a case of a few people attempting to force their beliefs on all of mankind. I also believe as man gains more wisdom he will become more religious but will not need organized religion to do so!
I have followed and searched my entire life for meanings, asking questions about our existence, what happened before human life and what happens after human life. What does everything in between mean. It is unacceptable (for me) to be put on this planet and live a life that is filled with family, work, pleasure, pain and love and not get to its purpose. I know for a fact that it is the soul that is on the journey and the human form we take in this life is no more than a learning, wisdom gaining experience. Knowing that does not alleviate the desire to understand the entire process we are going through.
I also believe that universe is much greater than anything we can imagine, it contains and holds all the secrets of life. There will be time when all is revealed to each soul, between incarnations each soul sees more but does not truly understand all (at least not yet)
My goal is to understand humanity and it has taken me on a mental and geographical trip that I would like to think is winding down. I have lived all over the world, immersed myself in many different cultures. Frankly it has been rewarding but has not brought me much closer to getting the answers I desire.
I now believe that the answers are simply right in front of us, there is no reason to search elsewhere, we only need to ask the right questions and listen hard for the right answers. As usual things are not as complicated as we make them, the truth is not complex, we just need to open our eyes to see the truth!

Questions
1. Why would the bible or scripture be only partially true? If the bible or scriptures were left as a map to help us get to our final destination they would be all true or they would be all false, if were they left as something to mislead mankind then they should be discarded altogether. I find it difficult to believe that we should only take parts of the bible as true.
Rand Corp discussion with an entity
1. What does time colliding mean?
Hidden Hand
1. Who is Hidden Hand, he/it seems to be part of a group that travels the universe fulfilling contracts for different heads of civilizations. In your post you mention "for Yahweh", it is my understanding that Yahweh also means God, is that correct? HH is described as 'group soul Lucifer'. What group is this and what exactly is their role in the greater scheme of things?
2. Life is a game, I find that an unsettling concept, that we are being negatively polarized I find almost appalling. I find it even more disturbing that we are being provided with negative things to make our living on this planet as senseless as possible. This implies that we are merely toys for our God to play with, that wars, disease, famine, poverty are nothing more than horrible learning experiences for the pleasure of a higher beings. Apparently what pleases the entities or higher being is the suffering of mankind. I have never bought into that, it sounds way to organized religion for me. So much of religious doctrine 'use to be' the suffering of mankind insures a place in heaven for him! I would like to get your take on the entire HH discussion and in particular the need for 'negativity' and also the 'game'.
I have more question, in particular about the council/elders but I will leave it here for now. After all I am running into my own rule as not to make things too long.
Thanks.......look forward to your response

[lookbeyond]

Dear rgray222- re the Bible and its misleading/wrong bits- when i started to wake up i researched on the internet re history of Bibles inclusion in organised religion- at that time i was going thru my catholic stage- many variables have thru out history affected the Bible as we know it today.

Eg-various interpretations/errors in translations which have given misleading meaning to words/concepts

-control of which books of Bible were to be included as the official catholic version by roman chuch-and the forbiding of reading of unincluded gospels even to this day.

-literal versus symbolic interpretation

- different Bibles for different western religions

The cracks in the evolution to this day are compelling, and yet there is wisdom there and different layers to the wisdom which jump out at the reader who is reading with a seeking heart.


love lookbeyond

[Billy]

Thanks for this, a great read I have to say...

I don't usually hold with channelled material, as it is either A) mostly garbled by human-ego factors, B) comes from some 'source' (psyop/spiritual) whose chief intent is to deceive.

So very few I will trust, but a litmus test of the nature of the information can quickly ascertain what is what, and this 24-elders material aligns very closely with my own understanding, a lot of which is drawn from 'The Law of One' - the Ra Material. Have you Billyji encountered this yet, and how does it fit into your current paradigm?

cheers

Hi Star. I also am wary of channeled material. This was why i chose electronic communications, Transceiver Phyllis, And HH and science to bring my theory forward, I read some of the Ra Material last year. And yes much of it resonated with me. I have to borrow the book again and read it in more detail. taking notes this time.

I think what i say at the end of the report is my current paradigm.

Quote:
Billyji here again. In concluding, My own personal belief is that humanity has the essence of many universal civilizations within them. Those civilizations are from many levels. from the highest to the lowest. Humanity has within them the Key towards universal peace. This peace begins with self then expands outwards to our neighbours and countries, Then the universal peace begins. because we have brought them together within us.
Peace be with you all.

There was also a thread that was posted last July. the topic was a racist emoticon here on Avalon. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47916-WTF----Racist-emoticon&p=529486#post529486

My reply was this. The thread i mention at the end of my comment is this one. the 24 elders.

Quote:
I am not sure how to express what i feel here, but i will try.

The racist card has been in play for thousand's of years in the divide and conquer plan. I feel it would benefit humanity more if we as a human race focussed more on what we all have in common rather than what "we allow" to divide us. researching why we appear to be different visually would also benefit humanity as this would bring into the bigger picture of who we are and where we come from. For example, who were the different universal civilizations that were involved in the seeding process of humanity. The different DNA codes that were implanted into the different tribes that make us look different, have varied belief systems various so called Gods and different cultures.

For me the bigger picture of the mission within this game of life for humanity is assisting in breaking down the divisions between universal civilizations that have been at logger heads for eons. We can achieve this great task because many of the civilizations that exist within higher and lower levels/frequency are all within us. When we have achieved peace and harmony within our selves to begin with, we bring together many civilizations. and that is only one person. We then work together as human beings breaking down the "fear" of being different because we realize we are all one family. When we love one another in peace and harmony we are bringing together many many universal civilizations through us.

Quite a task i know. Look at the bigger picture and see a being with love as a whole universe, I hope to begin a thread one day with this topic in mind,

until then peace be with you all.

We could go universal with this one :alien: :bounce:

Peace

[Billy]

Billy
I enjoyed your post but to be honest it was long and at times hard to follow (at least for me).

Thank you rgray. Today i do not have much time for the internet as i do not have a connection in my caravan and have to travel to the post office for a connection. The village post office/shop is only open for a couple of hours on a Sunday. I will reply in more detail over the next few days.

For just now, I mentioned at the beginning of my thread that i had an experience with Mother Mary in Bosnia in 1985. What attracted me to travel to Bosnia was one message that Mother Mary gave that i heard about in Scotland. She first of all gave all Catholics a telling off for praying to her. She said, when you pray, do not pray to me but ask me to be by you're side and we shall pray together.

She then said. In God there is no religion, religion is man made and brings division, there is no division in God, But at the same time please have respect for All religions.
End Quote:

I have lived my life with this message ever since.

I was not a Catholic at that time but i did convert a few years later because of what i was asked to do when i was there. I am not a practicing Catholic at this time because of some horrific experiences i had. But i met some wonderful gifted Catholics over the years. If you would like to listen to the whole story then the links that Kimberley posted above is where i share this experience. or here for a short written account. goldring.wetpaint.com/page/Mother+Mary+~+by+Billy

Like lookbeyond says. It is more (Eg-various interpretations/errors in translations which have given misleading meaning to words/concepts)

Mauro Biglino's literal translation of some books in the OT is a very worth while read. To see where translations have been misinterpreted.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

Yahweh was one of the many Elohim beings who descended. He announced that he was God, It was humanity that made him into a God. This is one of the misinterpretations in the OT.

You really have to read the HH material to understand where they are coming from. links provided on the OP. HH says that his soul group and Yahweh were at logger heads with each other.

Please do not take HH or any of my information as a truth. I do explain this at the beginning of HH material in the OP. I used only the parts that referred to the Elders.

I shall respond in more detail when i have more time. Until then.

Peace be with you.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks Billy. I still have to give the whole lucifer group-soul concept some more thought, but as far as the Yahweh intervention goes, it all ties in quite neatly with the Ra stuff.

BTW. You can get (download as PDF) the whole Law of One series for free here:

http://llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

[Billy]

Hi rgray. I will attempt to reply further. But i think you know all the answers already.



Billy
I was raised a Catholic but over the years have attended virtually every church I could go to from Baptist to Synagogue in an attempt to find one that fit my personality and evolving beliefs.

I also have attended Christian churches of all denominations. Mosques, Synagogues, Stayed with Buddhist in India. Also stayed with Hindu's and have been invited into Temples where Westerners were not permitted to enter. But i was not seeking anything. I took my Creator with me.



I also believe that universe is much greater than anything we can imagine, it contains and holds all the secrets of life. There will be time when all is revealed to each soul, between incarnations each soul sees more but does not truly understand all (at least not yet)

I agree that the Universe contains all the secrets, I also believe that each person here on earth is a whole Universe. Secrets of Knowledge and wisdom contained within also with many universal civilizations within them. As I mentioned above.



My goal is to understand humanity and it has taken me on a mental and geographical trip that I would like to think is winding down. I have lived all over the world, immersed myself in many different cultures. Frankly it has been rewarding but has not brought me much closer to getting the answers I desire.

I now believe that the answers are simply right in front of us, there is no reason to search elsewhere, we only need to ask the right questions and listen hard for the right answers. As usual things are not as complicated as we make them, the truth is not complex, we just need to open our eyes to see the truth!


You said it exactly. the searching begins and ends with self.
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Questions


1. What does time colliding mean?
Hidden Hand

My opinion of time colliding is the same as the compression of time. research the Mayan's for the compression of time. There is no other time as is Now for to witness the compression of time reaching zero point.



1. Who is Hidden Hand, he/it seems to be part of a group that travels the universe fulfilling contracts for different heads of civilizations. In your post you mention "for Yahweh", it is my understanding that Yahweh also means God, is that correct? HH is described as 'group soul Lucifer'. What group is this and what exactly is their role in the greater scheme of things?

Covered in previous post.



2. Life is a game, I find that an unsettling concept, that we are being negatively polarized I find almost appalling. I find it even more disturbing that we are being provided with negative things to make our living on this planet as senseless as possible. This implies that we are merely toys for our God to play with, that wars, disease, famine, poverty are nothing more than horrible learning experiences for the pleasure of a higher beings. Apparently what pleases the entities or higher being is the suffering of mankind. I have never bought into that, it sounds way to organized religion for me. So much of religious doctrine 'use to be' the suffering of mankind insures a place in heaven for him! I would like to get your take on the entire HH discussion and in particular the need for 'negativity' and also the 'game'.
I have more question, in particular about the council/elders but I will leave it here for now. After all I am running into my own rule as not to make things too long.
Thanks.......look forward to your response

As i mentioned in my previous post please do not take everything that HH says as a truth. Truth for some reason has a habit of not being crystal clear. Truth hides itself to be found. I love the saying. Out of S**T grows roses. And in my opinion that is how truth reveals itself. But you have to dig into the myre to find the gems of truth.

Some say life is a game, others say life is an experiment . I agree with both.
Please do not find the game of life unsettling, Appalling, disturbing, You create fear within when you feel those emotions. It really depends on how we embrace the game.
Humanity has ALLOWED the game to be played out by the controllers, their rules and regulations.

The game or experiment goes like this. We agree to an allusion of separation from
our own divinity and creator. We forget who we are. But we have a gift called free will. We descend to the densest of planets where the light of our creator has not yet shone. This same planet has been highjacked by entities of the lower dimensions, who play the game of not allowing the creators light to shine on this planet.

So now, does humanity ALLOW this to happen??

Or does humanity through free will, bring the light of the creator to shine on this earth.
which in turn lightens the density of the planet and humanity.

We can change the game, The game involves consciousness, In fact i am just beginning to feel that we already have or are in the process of a game change. A new timeline.

I really have already said this in my OP in a different way. follow the links provided.

Remember there are two positives and two negatives. An unbalanced positive or a balanced positive, an unbalanced negative or a balanced negative. If both are balanced then you have won the game.

Enjoy the game, embrace the negativity with love, allow it to go through you're being then release it. you have now transformed darkness into light.

Shine on

Peace be with you.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's BillyJi!:) Great insights into Mother Mary's attitude towards prayer and Religion in post 34!

I too have a healthy respect (and love) for all Religion's, but choose none for myself.

[Billy]

Who are the 24 Elders Part 4
Our Junk DNA is the topic. Here I allow you to do your own research. there are quite a few threads already here on Avalon on this topic.


I think this takes me to the end of this thread, I am going brain dead now. I did have more links but I lost 20% of my research when my laptop was zapped a couple of months ago. Alex Collier, Bruce Lipton, Goerge Kavassilas and Pane Andov, were just a few more that had input concerning the above topics. If you happen to come across more information from those guys and others please post it in here.


The Elders/civilizations have said that they wish humankind to have awareness of them. This was in 1976. And still today I see no evidence that humanity has any awareness of them.



I managed to find the video by Pane Andov where he mentions our genetic DNA potential. You will find this at the 1hr 10min mark. Now again i am not saying i agree a 100% with what Pane brings to the table but i do agree with his statement concerning our DNA.


Pane says. We need to remember who we are. We are infinite consciousness. At the moment we operating only at 3% of our genetic active material. The energy that comes will change everything. The more of the DNA potential that is awakened the more we are able to access the higher harmonics of the universe.


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[Billy]

Thank's BillyJi!:) Great insights into Mother Mary's attitude towards prayer and Religion in post 34!

I too have a healthy respect (and love) for all Religion's, but choose none for myself.

Thank you Awakeinadream.

Yes Mother Mary spoke words of wisdom :sing: when she appeared in Bosnia Herzegovina in 1981. She came to warn about the war that did not have to happen. As it turned out nobody listened to her message of peace and the result was one of the most horrific war and acts of genocide against the Bosnian Muslims.

Although i respect and embrace all religions, I also chose not to follow any set religion. We create our own belief systems. With 7 billion belief systems on the go in our world today ( even Atheist's have a belief system) I have wondered how on earth can humanities consciousness reach the critical mass for us to manifest peace in our world.

Maybe that is what we all have in common. The desire for peace along with the intention to manifest peace. Which in turn breaks down the divisions we have created.

Peace.

[deridan]

my best atheist friend, must from many past lives, have one of the greatest instincts for spirituality,
always he is in the mode which is least depletive, so-that while he never fills his store,--consciously atleast {he has some aspects of bliss consciousness which fill him},[ he never looses it also]

yet how can we say always,....all of us are spiritual beings, the local environment which we call ourselves (athiest, c, m, j, h, b) is really nothing on the types of vibratory spiritual beings we are, our distribution thru expressio-somes

[later, later agian]

[Sunfeather]

Thanks Billy ~ Interesting reading. Undoubtedly resonant with the story of the 'Twelve Magickal Worlds', which It feel appropriate to share...

From 'The Song of the Heyoehkah' ~ Hyemeyohsts Storm.

'The Medicine Woman said there was a dance of prophecy that began a very long time ago. It began out among the stars, she told us, it was a song that belonged to the Great Universe. The song grew within its fullness, until finally everything began to sing with it. It was a pure song of the harmony of all that exists, and it painted its brilliance across all time.

The beings upon the twelve worlds blinked at the light and wondered concerning the song. And so each of them made medicine. And the medicine flew from one world to the next until it was reflected everywhere. The beings upon the twelve worlds had seen the sign of the thunderbird. And the thunderbird held up an image to each of the worlds, until all twelve could see the next. They were very surprised to learn that they were not alone within the Universe.


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But more important than this, my little children, all the beings upon each of the twelve worlds now knew that they were not complete. "We are only partial beings," they cried, and their sadness moved out into the Universe until it was heard.

"It is so," the Universe answered their cries. "You have awakened!"

"The Great Spirit of all the Universe walked upon each of their worlds and everyone became refreshed. Now they felt the joy of birth.

"Where should we go to meet ourselves so that we can become whole?" the beings from all twelve worlds asked.

"Walk upon my robe," the Mother Earth answered. "Walk here, my children, and you can know each other."

"The Mother is made up of all things," the Universe sang. "She is part of all twelve. She is part of all the beings upon all the twelve worlds."

And the Mother made medicine. The medicine was love and the Universe knew that it was the song of the light.

"Come," the Mother sang. "Come and be born. You will leave your memories behind. Come and be children together. Come and be sisters and brothers, mothers, fathers, and relatives. I will provide everything. Come and dance together."

And the beings, many of them, wanted to dance. They wanted to become. And so they were born. Little by little, more and more of the beings wanted to become. And the Mother sang her wondrous song. Each of them was given a body-lodge made from Mother Earth. And the spirit of these things grew among the people of the Earth.

Each being from each of the twelve worlds brought a special gift with them. This gift was their way of perceiving. It was their spirit. And each of these beings had a special power.

The Mother sang to them of these things saying, "You will become complete people when you have danced with the powers that each of you have brought. Learn together. Teach each other. Care for one another and you will learn of your love for each other."'

[Billy]

Thanks Billy ~ Interesting reading. Undoubtedly resonant with the story of the 'Twelve Magickal Worlds', which It feel appropriate to share...

From 'The Song of the Heyoehkah' ~ Hyemeyohsts Storm.

'The Medicine Woman said there was a dance of prophecy that began a very long time ago. It began out among the stars, she told us, it was a song that belonged to the Great Universe. The song grew within its fullness, until finally everything began to sing with it. It was a pure song of the harmony of all that exists, and it painted its brilliance across all time.

"Where should we go to meet ourselves so that we can become whole?" the beings from all twelve worlds asked.

"Walk upon my robe," the Mother Earth answered. "Walk here, my children, and you can know each other."

"The Mother is made up of all things," the Universe sang. "She is part of all twelve. She is part of all the beings upon all the twelve worlds."


"Come," the Mother sang. "Come and be born. You will leave your memories behind. Come and be children together. Come and be sisters and brothers, mothers, fathers, and relatives. I will provide everything. Come and dance together."


The Mother sang to them of these things saying, "You will become complete people when you have danced with the powers that each of you have brought. Learn together. Teach each other. Care for one another and you will learn of your love for each other."'


Thank you Sunfeather. You're post touched my heart.

Yet again The number 12 reveals itself. As posted in the OP. 12 worlds, 12tribes. 12 stones, 12 gateways, 12 pillars. 12 aspects of God. 12 strand double helix DNA.

24 civilizations but they are not 24 but 12 plus 12.
Quote here.
Who are the 24 Elders part 3.

There are in truth Twelve of two. The Twenty-Four civilisations also are physical.
At this present time, the civilisations are working with each other to move into balance,


Returning to our DNA again. link here.http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/Words/D/DNA.htm

Quote:
The DNA Seed Code, the template for one DNA strand is composed of 12 magnetic particle units (Base Codes) and 12 electrical anti-particle units (Acceleration Codes)
And here.
All Aspects of human DNA are built upon this morphogenetic template of 12 Base Codes and 12 Acceleration Codes. (= 24 Seed Codes = 1 DNA strand)


Junk DNA is "no junk!" But instead part of the heritage that will one day led you back to the wholeness of your identity.

End quote.

The Naadi Shastra said i was very well educated in my previous life in India but not in this life. How true. So i am no scientist but 12 + 12 keeps popping into my life as like a picture. As does 11 + 11. And i ask is there a connection here.

With the scientific links i present in the OP. Some say that we use only 2% or 3% of our DNA. Some say 98% of noncoded DNA termed as Junk. others that we function on 1+1 double helix strand out of the 12+12 that is present.

That leaves 11+11 as Junk DNA unaccounted for. 11+11 = 22.

Alex Collier mentioned in one of his interviews. That there are at least 22 Universal Civilizations that are connected to humanity.(Another video i lost)

Is there a connection, Thinking aloud.

Peace

[Billy]

Continuing the subject of our DNA having an extraterrestrial connection.

In the OP I mention Mauro Biglino's Literal translation of the OT. Here he explains the literal translation of " Made in Gods image and after his likeness".
Quote: Accordingly, we would have not been created “in the image” of the Elohìm, but “with that material something that contains the image” of the Elohìm. Quite a key difference!
And here Quote:
And what is it which contains the image of someone who can be “cut off, cut out, extracted”? There is only one possible answer: DNA! End Quote:



Who are the 24 Elders, a revelation.

At this point I would like to mention Mauro Biglino's research on the literal translation of the OT and the thread is here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

What he brought to the table complemented my own findings and I thank him for inspiring me to create this thread because of his work.




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Transcript here. http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?p=536#more-536

Part Quote:
There are some elements to note: first of all Greek translators have used two terms whose meanings are twofold:

• Omòiosin has an abstract value and clearly represents the concept of similarity.

• Eikòna, instead, has a more concrete value and represents any object showing the image of someone or something: a painting, a sculpture, a bas-relief, an inlay or embroidery work…

We must here recognize that by translating tselèm with the word eikòna, Greeks have come close to the very deepest meaning of this Semitic consonantal root.

Indeed, tselèm does not indicate the abstract concept of image as it is variously interpreted by religious literature and traditional theology, which try to provide different explanations: in fact, it denotes, specifically, “a quid of matter that contains an image”.
End Quote:

It is a short article,

Peace

[thalox]

Great work Billyj.
I would like to know more about what HH said in regards to who are these beings in the earth. where can I read more about this?
Cheers

Hello,

this is where i recieved my first taste of Hidden Hands.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

i believe others have stated that this sounds like the Ra talks/readings. the Law of One.

[Billy]

Continuing human DNA and Extraterrestrial connections.



This article was posted here on Avalon on Feb 2012. http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/26/01340.html

Scientist postulate extraterrestrial genes in human DNA. Thread here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40522-Scientists-postulate-Extraterrestrial-genes-in-Human-DNA

Part Quote:
Research findings continues work of DNA Nobel Prize Winner Dr. Francis Crick

by Peter Jiang and Jenny Li

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Collaborative research from a gathering of exo-scientists postulate that there are genes from over 20 extraterrestrials civilizations in Human DNA. These exo-scientists have continued the work of Nobel Prize winner Dr. Frances Crick, and other scholars in this area.

Current findings are consistent with reports of Professor Sam Chang, who discreetly released information on his own apparent findings, in association with the Human Genome Project. Scientists are beginning to complain more and more about political attempts to compromise the integrity of their important work for humanity. The discreet releasing of findings, is one apparent way in which scientists try to cope with scientific peer pressures to conform to prevailing political pressures.

Details of findings have been published in part, by Dr. Michael Salla, who is a learned scholar on extraterrestrial research.


And here:

Collaborative exo-scientific research efforts inspired by Dr. Michael Salla, suggest that within the estimated over 20 types of extraterrestrial genes within human DNA, lies psycho-kinetic abilities associated with the genetic memories of ancient extraterrestrial races. These apparent psycho-kinetic abilities are associated with the focusing of the creative collective consciousness of be-ing in the universe.

And Here:

Further visible indications of apparent Extraterrestrial contact in Human DNA

The existence of diverse ethno-racial communities of humanity on Earth, perhaps, provides a further visible appearance of extraterrestrial (E.T.) 'genetic communities'. African tribes, including the Dogon, notably, cite evidence of having origins from races of "supernatural creatures that came down from the sky."

Evidence and testimony on the original "seeding" of Earth by spiritually-inspired, ethical Extraterrestrials
Native-Canadian, African, and other tribes

Exo-scientists indicate that 'ethical' Extraterrestrials inspired the communalistic and environmental protection oriented philosophies of Native-Canadian, African, and other tribes.


The knowledge of astrological facts within diverse tribal communities is associated with claims of extraterrestrial contact long before modern astronomy, further corroborates exo-scientific claims of evidence of extraterrestrial contact in Human DNA.

Aboriginal tribes in the Americas, Africa, and elsewhere embraced the "animistic" spirituality of the original reported spiritually and technologically advanced human and other extraterrestrials who "seeded" Earth. These tribes were apparently inspired by original constituents of human and other extraterrestrials to be custodians of "Mother Earth", and to live in harmony and balance with nature.

End quotes:

Read more here. http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/26/01340.html

(Note the scientist say more than 20 types of Extraterrestrial DNA. May i suggest at least 22 types)

Later i will post information concerning some of different universal civilizations involved in the seedings of humanity.

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou thalox for the link above, im making my way thru the discussion- very interesting reading


Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[TOTHE]

The Shield of Michael pendant carved by Fred Rusher after an image found in the Kabala shows the 12 pairs or 24 civilizations. On the back of the pendant are four words: “Shemesh”, "U-Magen", "YHWH" and "Elohim". I have no idea what the Hebrew words on the front are. I had the pleasure to meet Fred at a November, 2009 Tempe Arizona David Wilcock Devine Cosmos convention. Fred had no idea what the copied from a book sacred geometry represented, but by intuition I recognized it as soon as I saw it as a ancient depiction or artistic expression of the 24 civilizations. Fred did mention he had to read The Only Planet of Choice two times to my three to grasp the significance of the message. Anyhow I bought the pendant and a 1 foot diameter wall carving. The wall carving is now hanging next to the Mayan calendar that I bought in Tijuana during the mid 80’s for $20.

There is a E-Book for The Only Planet of Choice
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/contents.htm
Or the 793k PDF
http://archive.org/details/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice

Stuart Holroyd’s book The Nine: Briefing From Deep Space mentions that Phyllis Schlemmer received some of the transmissions while sitting in a faraday cage to shield from EMF interference. This was done early for confirmation that she was transceiving from the sub quantum and not channeling from the EM spectrum

Shield of Michael Pendant from Fred's workshop at http://geocosmicarts.com
http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/themes/eggo/sp-framework/timthumb/timthumb.php?src=http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-micheal-bz-sd-1.45-inch.jpg&h=347&w=347&zc=1&q=90&a=c&s=&f=&cc=&ct=

[Billy]

Thank you for you're input TOTHE. I love the pendant. Shemesh = Sun, U-magen = Shield. Magen David is the hexagram shield of David. Star of David. Therefore Megan Michael would be shield of Michael. 24 flames forming the outer circle. 12 pointed star within.

I looked at the website, some beautiful crop circle pendants. I could not see you're pendant there. Was this a one off. Was it a copy of an original. I will ask Mauro if he can read some of the Hebrew.



I have lost count how many times i have read The Only planet of choice. Each time something new reaches out to me.

Thank you again

Peace

[TOTHE]

I looked at the website, some beautiful crop circle pendants. I could not see you're pendant there. Was this a one off. Was it a copy of an original. I will ask Mauro if he can read some of the Hebrew.



I have lost count how many times i have read The Only planet of choice. Each time something new reaches out to me.

Thank you again

Peace

Pendant is here:
Click on the small images for silver or bronze to get an decent image to read the Hebrew.
http://geocosmicarts.com/products-page/bronze-pendants/shield-of-michael-pendant

The wall carving is not shown, you may have to request it.

Re-reading The Only Planet of Choice: I have re-read certain sections many times. Particularly the ones on meditation and spinning 33 times...;)

[AwakeInADream]

The Hebrew writing looks like the 24 different permutations of The Tetragrammaton (YHVH),
each one of which calls upon different magical and protective angelic forces.

It is a great blessing that you should own such a pendant, it's very powerful and beautiful.

I strongly believe in the power of the Holy Hebrew Alphabet, each letter of which it is said
God used to create all that exists, and that these letters were really frequencies or vibrations,
before they became manifest.

The Tetragrammaton itself, to me reflects the language of our DNA, and shows just how much
those early Kabbalists really knew about modern scientific understanding over 4000 years ago.

Thank's for posting 'The Only Planet of Choice'
I've never read it before.:)

[TOTHE]

The Hebrew writing looks like the 24 different permutations of The Tetragrammaton (YHVH),
each one of which calls upon different magical and protective angelic forces.

It is a great blessing that you should own such a pendant, it's very powerful and beautiful.

I strongly believe in the power of the Holy Hebrew Alphabet, each letter of which it is said
God used to create all that exists, and that these letters were really frequencies or vibrations,
before they became manifest.

The Tetragrammaton itself, to me reflects the language of our DNA, and shows just how much
those early Kabbalists really knew about modern scientific understanding over 4000 years ago.

Thank's for posting 'The Only Planet of Choice'
I've never read it before.:)

I agree, you rock man! I read that in Gregg Braden’s The God Code so here is his brief conclusion on the name that he spent eight years of research on. I wonder if one of the 24 permutations on the pendant has the name of Man? Or if the 24 permutations are the genetic signatures of the 24 civilizations?

Assigning the numerical weight of the Hebrew alphabet to the periodic table we get:
YHVH = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen as the name of God.
YHVG = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon as the name of Man.
Also as translated YH is read as “the Eternal”. That means YH (God/Eternal) forms one-half of God’s name and the name coded in our cells, that leaves us the name of God in the body of Man.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's TOTHE!:)

Youv'e given me alot to think about.

You probably already know that when you place the name YHVH one letter on top of the other you get the image of man,
as this image shows:
http://puffin.creighton.edu/jesuit/andre/images/yahweh_edited.jpg

That is the name of God, and the image of Man in one glyph.

[Billy]

Thank you for you're input TOTHE and Awake.

This is the kind of thread which could go in many directions, Science, DNA, History, Bible, Yahwey/Jehovah, universal civilizations etc. What i am attempting with this thread is to bring them all together. As i see them as all connected within the journey of humanity as a whole.

As Yahwey is the topic at this moment, I am all for going down that path.

If there is a truth within the book."The Only Planet of Choice" which i have chosen to be a truth within my own personal belief system. We are given the names and missions of some of the civilizations. here is a list i have gathered which are mentioned throughout the book.

Alteans. Who seeded the Atlantis.

Hoovans, Who seeded Sumarians, Hebrews, and Jehovah was a Hoovan.

Ashans, Who seeded, Scandivanians, Chinese, Phoencians, and also brought, Music and Art.

Zeneels, who were the Alchemists and Healers.

Other names are. Aragon, Myrex and Mora-Triomne work together, Ancore, Spectra, Zeemed, Zenthorp, Loanness, and Elarthin.

The 4 that have been most involved are, Hoovans. Alteans, Ashans and Aragon.
The Hoovans had three seedings on earth. Jehovah is the head of the Hoovan Civilization. The 3 stages were. 1. The Eve of Adam. 2. The implantation before Abraham. 3.The development of the Nation of Abraham. Jesus/Yeshua the Nazarene is Hoovan. Tom says that Jehovah and Jesus were one and the same. In the book Tom names Israel as Hoovans. Jesus came to implement compassion.

To save me posting lots of text
If you download the PDF file that TOTHE provided here. http://ia600409.us.archive.org/16/items/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice/planet_choice.pdf

Turn to page 114 under the heading. 1V Vital links in the chain. Chapter 13. Hoovid Branchings, Hebrew roots and the crescent.
And enjoy the read.

Peace

[noxon medem]

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A general note on the "Hidden Hand" material :

It touches a lot of significant topics and go deep
into the terrain many of us here like to explore.

My prescious intuition however, tell me to view it
as a fictious reproduction of known material ( Ra, mm )

And one more thought comes across:
If this story is the work of "Lucifer"
- is he not the ultimate deceptor ?

So, filtered through yourself .
What feels true !?!

..
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All well to You , all .

:yo:

&
? Are we all in the same boat :

19054

:fish2:

nm

PS. a joke :
(for us, for now)

To the Elders I say : Please Grow up !
- Give way, somehow .....BS.

[TOTHE]

..
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A general note on the "Hidden Hand" material :

It touches a lot of significant topics and go deep
into the terrain many of us here like to explore.

My prescious intuition however, tell me to view it
as a fictious reproduction of known material ( Ra, mm )

And one more thought comes across:
If this story is the work of "Lucifer"
- is he not the ultimate deceptor ?

So, filtered through yourself .
What feels true !?!

..
-

All well to You , all .

:yo:

&
? Are we all in the same boat :


:fish2:

nm

PS. a joke :
(for us, for now)

To the Elders I say : Please Grow up !
- Give way, somehow .....BS.

I agree 100%. I always keep one eye open when I sleep on spiritual science. I was half way through A Course In Miriacles when suddenly my intuition said STOP!. A year later I found that the material was channeled from non other than the 1st. century sorcerer Simon Magus.

These 24 civilizations are very old.
They have been influencing Earth for 3B years.
They are en-souled beings like us.
They have leaders or chairman of the boards ex. Jehovah (Enlil) or Lucifer (Enki).
We should not worship them as gods but as teachers or guardians.
Most individuals on Earth are en-souled from one or more of these civilizations and some from the Source directly. Some like Jesus was en-souled from chairman of the board of the Hoova civilization who probably had passed on (died) in a higher density.
The Only Planet of Choice may also be a CIA disinformation plant to keep us grounded, confused and distracted from our true path.
The God is within us not outside.
The Only Planet of Choice admits that the Gods tried to help but we screwed it up with materialistic science (sin, greed, etc.).
We may have backed ourselves in a corner causing a dying planet or a dying species.
We have to wake up and cherish life because it seems very, very fragile and rare where you have en-souled consciousness.
Sometimes it is nice to be one-sighted, but ignorance is not bliss, it has been our death for too long . . .

Here is my response to a post that on an e-mail subject that later turned out to be a hoax.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=80996328

Hoax post
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=80956598


Here is Paul’s mod delete after I found it was a hoax.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51284-Mutant-humanity-2&p=576834#post576834

[lookbeyond]

Hi TOTHE, in searching for truth, what do you recommend, trust only what is revealed to self in meditation/HS insights?

Thankyou in advance, lookbeyond

[TOTHE]

Hi TOTHE, in searching for truth, what do you recommend, trust only what is revealed to self in meditation/HS insights?

Thankyou in advance, lookbeyond

Each person is different and it is a personal thing to that person. I cannot meditate a lick. I do take vitamins that contain copper. My hair & beard and melanin from my suntan stores the copper. Copper shields me from EMF produced psychosis from external and I cannot produce any kind of good self induced psychosis. Lack of O2 and excess CO2 also will produce psychotic hallucinations (channeling, astral traveling, sensitivity, etc..). I don’t know if my body is in perfect balance, blocked chakra or what. I might be 68 years old but I only got involved with spiritual science after 2000...so I am technically stupid.

I am the last person you should listen to and if I give anything that looks like advice...run.

I think I am an empath. I pretend I live in my divinity. I pretend, day-dream, visualize that I am walking in my divinity. My prayers and visualizations are assumed as outcome fulfilled or completed and I use all 5 senses for intention.

My climb on the tree of understanding got to limb The Only Planet of Choice and I understood the twigs and branches intuitively.
I went back to the trunk and worked into the limb The God Code and I understood the twigs and branches intuitively.
I climbed higher up trunk and looked down and saw the need for more spiritual science.
Found the limb The Thomas Book by Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD, then onto the branch The Prayer of Silence.
Another branch Gregg Braden’s Lost Mode of Prayer.
Back to climbing the trunk, looking down to see to how they all click together.

My advice on meditation (run away, now!):

The absolutely, easiest and best “how to” is The Prayer of Silence by Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD. It works for me and will work for any religious faith.

[lookbeyond]

Hi TOTHE i found an almost complete free version of The Prayer of Silence and will read over weekend, thankyou for sharing


Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[AwakeInADream]

Hi TOTHE i found an almost complete free version of The Prayer of Silence and will read over weekend, thankyou for sharing


Kind Reguards lookbeyond

Do you have a link?

I'd quite like to read it too. Cheers!:)

[lookbeyond]

here (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=mI6EOzB-qZ0C&pg=PR1&lpg=PR1&dq=prayer+of+silence+bruce+fraser+macdonald&source=bl&ots=EFBJRDrZv8&sig=4RRH9urwxwnr15jSYIsTKk8swcs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=k8mUUK_8KejqiAfJqYGwAw&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=prayer%20of%20silence%20bruce%20fraser%20macdonald&f=false) it is :)

[Billy]

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A general note on the "Hidden Hand" material :

It touches a lot of significant topics and go deep
into the terrain many of us here like to explore.

My prescious intuition however, tell me to view it
as a fictious reproduction of known material ( Ra, mm )

And one more thought comes across:
If this story is the work of "Lucifer"
- is he not the ultimate deceptor ?

So, filtered through yourself .
What feels true !?!

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All well to You , all .

:yo:

&
? Are we all in the same boat :

19054

:fish2:

nm

PS. a joke :
(for us, for now)

To the Elders I say : Please Grow up !
- Give way, somehow .....BS.

Hi noxon, thank you for you're input. I agree that we use great discernment and filter through ourselves what feels true. As i mentioned in the OP of this thread concerning hidden hands comments.




Here we have the entity "Hidden Hand" commenting on the Council of Elders. Again it seems that no matter who you are in the cosmos one has to report to or ask permission from the Elders. I have read many times that for humanity to expand in consciousness we are required to experience negativity and separation from the divine source creator, I understand the concept.

Link here.http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1

What I do not quite get is if we already had negative, Angry, jealous beings controlling humanity with wars and divide and conquer scenarios, why did we need even more catalysts of negativity. I would have loved to ask Hidden Hand a few questions.

the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of our Galaxy.



I do agree that the Elders are the wise and loving Guardians of our galaxy.

My own opinion on hidden hands soul group being a catalyst through self serving negativity for the betterment of humanity does not feel like a truth to me. This to me sounds like an unbalanced negativity rather than a balanced negativity. And my understanding of the universe is that it functions within a balanced negative and balanced positive.

One question that came to mind was how was Yahwey able to prevent the departure from the earth plane of this group.

Another Question. Is this the same soul group (The 200) that is mentioned in the Book of Enoch and the Sumarian Tablets that descended to earth to have their oats sowed with the daughters of men.

The same group that pleaded with Enoch to intercede for them before the Elders.
And were told it was not because they fell from grace that they would be bound in the lower astral planes, but because they made an oath to see this thing through. They made a choice. They made their bed and now they had to sleep in it.

Maybe it is time for this soul group of prodigal sons to rethink their Oath/agreement and change it to a balanced oath for the betterment of humanity and themselves.

I think it is not the Elders that are required to grow up. but humanity and dysfunctional universal families. :heh:

My thoughts.


Yes discernment at all times.

Peace

[noxon medem]

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My own opinion on hidden hands soul group being a catalyst through self serving negativity for the betterment of humanity does not feel like a truth to me. This to me sounds like an unbalanced negativity rather than a balanced negativity. And my understanding of the universe is that it functions within a balanced negative and balanced positive.

One question that came to mind was how was Yahwey able to prevent the departure from the earth plane of this group.

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I think it is not the Elders that are required to grow up. but humanity and dysfunctional universal families. :heh:

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Our thought on this are very similar , including the question
of how, and why, God (Yahwey) kept them (prisoners) in
this (his) reality, density, creation, .. whatever.

The "Hidden Hand" material is very interesting reading.
And challenging if taken seriously, without believing it to be all true.
It can be done.

Another perspective with that, and similar material, that I find
intriguing is that to the extent that a "criminal elite" exist, then
this kind of philosophy and world view is allmost certainly used
internaly to justify their actions and shape the mindset of the
younger generations. No matter strong familyties and different
controltechniques, there would be many having trouble accepting
their fate as negative beings of high influence on life here.
An overarching story , and personal belief, like that expressed in
the "Hidden Hand"-material would probably be essential in forming
and maintaining some unity, and sanity, over generations and time.

There was a related phenomena in the "alternative" forumworld
some years back, that created some attention, debate, and circus.
Revelation of an " Elite Family Insider " started on the
"godlike productions" forum in 2005 :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

In 2011 another character returned under the same moniker starting
the thread: Elite Family Insider Returns for Q&A
Do not want to put a link, but its easy to find on a websearch.
There is like hundreds of pages of discussion and I have not read
all, but it seems like mostly distraction, to me. We are all different
in nature and need. Those who want to spend time on this will find it.

Thank you, all, for an interesting thread.
There are probably more relevant subtopics here then
the "hidden hand" material, but wanted to put in some
extra words on it, since it was on the table, sort of ...

Be well.
nm

PS.
Certainly it is humanity, including its elites, and me, who needs to grow up.
Asking the elders to do so was purely a linguistic humor I could not resist.

- Ok, now
:focus:

[deridan]

i'm going to give my own postulations for the bit i've read further ..(atleast a commentor on the first page felt into a similar zone when they said ? heirachies huha)

i'd choose to put the placing as this of the entities,
indeed ultimate source, what was His first act, ..the communication of being,
-a complete gnostic stratagem leads me to see it as so, indeed tolkien had the same instinct in his creation and opening chapters of the silimirilion
God comes, God even divides the different aspects of his Creator self, as sub-directors, sub-creators, and sets them in motion
spiritual, etheric and human vesicles are created (indeed the 4-limbed variety is the mode inwhich we start our game of ignorance to reach our variated karmic goals through a life-time, but local universe etheric-spiritual constituences are created from formative focus from the adam-k original or superhuman potential {lets forget slaves, what a disgusting addition to our local environment})

so then the 24-elders, as seperated beings beingnesses of the central source
are the constituent grains of the many local adams, ..our near brothers, us ourselves and those further from us. high council for the individuated highest evolution of the adam packages

the yahweh story as an illusion, the invitation of the luceferic counter group...the attempt to heighten or accelerate ultimate reality,
{{ it should be remembered that God, source is without nameor designation, that names were only used to say, He acted here and with this intensiousIntonous of Force/ imself/ }}
take it as seperated principles for easier digestion of the story.
indeed the energy us local adams have to deal with are acknowledged by beings of the highest spiritualemotional order,

yes indeed, that is how u get your results,
create absence,
the very longing of the beings then becomes the conduit from which change is peort potentiated [whatever i menat, just to dissovleu]

[TOTHE]

i'm going to give my own postulations for the bit i've read further ..(atleast a commentor on the first page felt into a similar zone when they said ? heirachies huha)

i'd choose to put the placing as this of the entities,
indeed ultimate source, what was His first act, ..the communication of being,
-a complete gnostic stratagem leads me to see it as so, indeed tolkien had the same instinct in his creation and opening chapters of the silimirilion
God comes, God even divides the different aspects of his Creator self, as sub-directors, sub-creators, and sets them in motion
spiritual, etheric and human vesicles are created (indeed the 4-limbed variety is the mode inwhich we start our game of ignorance to reach our variated karmic goals through a life-time, but local universe etheric-spiritual constituences are created from formative focus from the adam-k original or superhuman potential {lets forget slaves, what a disgusting addition to our local environment})

so then the 24-elders, as seperated beings beingnesses of the central source
are the constituent grains of the many local adams, ..our near brothers, us ourselves and those further from us. high council for the individuated highest evolution of the adam packages

the yahweh story as an illusion, the invitation of the luceferic counter group...the attempt to heighten or accelerate ultimate reality,
{{ it should be remembered that God, source is without nameor designation, that names were only used to say, He acted here and with this intensiousIntonous of Force/ imself/ }}
take it as seperated principles for easier digestion of the story.
indeed the energy us local adams have to deal with are acknowledged by beings of the highest spiritualemotional order,

yes indeed, that is how u get your results,
create absence,
the very longing of the beings then becomes the conduit from which change is peort potentiated [whatever i menat, just to dissovleu]

Right on, deridan. What I will say now is my perceptions to add to yours.

Our spiritual perceptions become confused when we put too much weight on the belief on God outside when it is really the God inside. Since thoughts create matter and where the focus is directed the energy flows. The aspect we created from directed energy produced a non physical realm: dimensional state of consciousness that we call “thought form” or “etheric band” (we love labels do we). They can be called Christ Consciousness, Luciferian, Heaven, Allah’s Heaven or depending on what you are smoking, Nirvana. Soul groups stuck on the wheel in those non physical dimensions of consciousness can get pretty confused in those illusions because there is no matter created from directed energy. So these confused souls break out of their psychic prisons and incarnate down here “to make things right for the cause” or “make thyself break off the wheel” or “continue the cause like the Hidden Hand”.

Groups like Hidden Hand are parasitic, entropic, feed off life energy, feed off the destruction of life and eventually erase the genome of an established species that a soul can incarnate to become ensouled. They could be called unbalanced negative for the extreme or balanced negative.

Groups within the Christ, Islam, Buddhist and Hindu are creators of energy directing matter promoting life and working with the framework of 3 sciences: spiritual, social and material. They are promoting the Universal Natural evolution of the genome of the species. They could be called unbalanced positive extreme or balanced positive.

There must be a lot of psychic wars and sorcerer wars (God Wars) going on up there above that are being reflected here below. What a mess we are working on. In a way it is a lot of fun to experience this in our quest to gain wisdom and help the scew-ups stuck above with their illusions. Solutions are down here not from up there, we are the Gods walking in our Divinity in the phisical. From Homo-Sapiens to Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens, for indeed, we will.

[deridan]

V
A


we should not forget as one focus [vora] so the other also extends out
each orientation informs the centre us


--yes i to have one little disgust story of travelling between the kingdoms of one_soul_religious group to another
maybe the first space is to universalize our conscious , so-that many consciousnesses same envision , perhaps then we set the etheric across time/s/ -band inwhich we travel. mankind is terribily sick, and still asleep,

your energy band comes from the disgardance of the /one of the bands/
though words in narrative should not be mistaken for a flaw i n me, perhaps it is from the unconsciouswish of

[noxon medem]

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V
A

we should not forget as one focus [vora] so the other also extends out
each orientation informs the centre us


--yes i to have one little disgust story of travelling between the kingdoms of one_soul_religious group to another
maybe the first space is to universalize our conscious , so-that many consciousnesses same envision , perhaps then we set the etheric across time/s/ -band inwhich we travel. mankind is terribily sick, and still asleep,

your energy band comes from the disgardance of the /one of the bands/
though words in narrative should not be mistaken for a flaw i n me, perhaps it is from the unconsciouswish of
( Vo Ra ..).

- Yes !
Just a moment in time, with all its ....

A question :
What is the "vora" ?

Here some result of a quick websearch :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vora
http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?view=2&surname=vora
http://nrk.no/sf/leksikon/index.php/Heksene_p%C3%A5_Vora
(norwegian language, possible to put into a translationprogram)
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vora

&
Be well, All.

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[Billy]

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The "Hidden Hand" material is very interesting reading.
And challenging if taken seriously, without believing it to be all true.
It can be done.


Thank you, all, for an interesting thread.
There are probably more relevant subtopics here then
the "hidden hand" material, but wanted to put in some
extra words on it, since it was on the table, sort of ...

Be well.
nm

PS.
Certainly it is humanity, including its elites, and me, who needs to grow up.
Asking the elders to do so was purely a linguistic humor I could not resist.

- Ok, now
:focus:

I would say very much on topic Noxon. Although the title of the thread is "Who are the 24 elders" I also brought to the table the hidden hand material along with other material as topics for discussion. If we have soul groups working against humanity, it is always good to know who they are also.

I posted the comment below but gave no links for ones own research.



Another Question. Is this the same soul group (The 200) that is mentioned in the Book of Enoch and the Sumarian Tablets that descended to earth to have their oats sowed with the daughters of men.

The same group that pleaded with Enoch to intercede for them before the Elders.
And were told it was not because they fell from grace that they would be bound in the lower astral planes, but because they made an oath to see this thing through. They made a choice. They made their bed and now they had to sleep in it.

Maybe it is time for this soul group of prodigal sons to rethink their Oath/agreement and change it to a balanced oath for the betterment of humanity and themselves.



From the book of Enoch.

Quote:
VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralisation of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels: the Messianic Kingdom (a Noah fragment).
CHAPTER VI.
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.'
3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'
5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.
End Quote:

XII-XVI. Dream Vision of Enoch: his intercession for Azâzêl and the fallen Angels: and his announcement to them of their first and final doom.
CHAPTER XII.
1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him.
2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.
3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me:
4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth:
End Quote:

CHAPTER XIII.
1. And Enoch went and said: 'Azâzêl, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth against thee to put thee in bonds:
2. And thou shalt not have toleration nor †request† granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness and unrighteousness and sin which thou hast shown to men.'
3. Then I went and spoke to them all together, and they were all afraid, and fear and trembling seized them.
4. And they besought me to draw up a petition for them that they might find forgiveness, and to read their petition in the presence of the Lord of heaven.
5. For from thenceforward they could not speak (with Him) nor lift up their eyes to heaven for shame of their sins for which they had been condemned.
6. Then I wrote out their petition, and the prayer in regard to their spirits and their deeds individually and in regard to their requests that they should have forgiveness and length of days†.
7. And I went off and sat down at the waters of Dan, in the land of Dan, to the south of the west of Hermon: I read their petition till I fell asleep.
8. And behold a dream came to me, and visions fell down upon me, and I saw visions of chastisement, and a voice came bidding (me) I to tell it to the sons of heaven, and reprimand them.
9. And when I awaked, I came unto them, and they were all sitting gathered together, weeping in ’Abelsjâîl, which is between Lebanon and Sênêsêr, with their faces covered.
10. And I recounted before them all the visions which I had seen in sleep, and I began to speak the words of righteousness, and to reprimand the heavenly Watchers.
End Quote:

CHAPTER XIV.
1. The book of the words of righteousness, and of the reprimand of the eternal Watchers in accordance with the command of the Holy Great One in that vision.
2. I saw in my sleep what I will now say with a tongue of flesh and with the breath of my mouth: which the Great One has given to men to converse therewith and understand with the heart.
3. As He has created and given to man the power of understanding the word of wisdom, so hath He created me also and given me the power of reprimanding the Watchers, the children of heaven.
4. I wrote out your petition, and in my vision it appeared thus, that your petition will not be granted unto you throughout all the days of eternity, and that judgement has been finally passed upon you: yea (your petition) will not be granted unto you.
5. And from henceforth you shall not ascend into heaven unto all eternity, and in bonds of the earth the decree has gone forth to bind you for all the days of the world.
6. And (that) previously you shall have seen the destruction of your beloved sons and ye shall have no pleasure in them, but they shall fall before you by the sword.
7. And your petition on their behalf shall not be granted, nor yet on your own: even though you weep and pray and speak all the words contained in the writing which I have written.
End Quote:
CHAPTER XV.
1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.
2. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men for you:
3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons?
4. And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh,
End Quote:

CHAPTER XVI.

2. And now as to the Watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say to them): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."

End Quote:

Sumarian
[In the Jewish and Ethiopic traditions, Nefilim means "sky people."]

There were 200 astronauts who descended in the days of Jared onto Mount Hermon in northwest Palestine near Lebanon.

In the Babylonian records of creation, the Enuma Elish, a large group of divine beings descended to Earth. Tablet VI of the epic reveals that the Anunnaki were quite restless in their space ship.

(Note 300 mentioned here)

Having achieved freedom from labor with the creation of Man, they were becoming increasingly bored and restless. It was then decided to resettle part of them on Earth. Accordingly, 300 of them descended to Earth while another 300 remained on the space ship. Called the "igigi," they were presumably the ones with specialized functions, the technicians of the space craft.

The well-intentioned plans of the Nefilim or Anunnaki appear to have changed for the worst, for soon thereafter they began to engage in a variety of activities that raised the wrath of both god and man. The Ethiopic Book of Enoch suggests that their descent was a secret and unauthorized act of a group of rebellious "angels."

"In those days, when the children of man had multiplied, it happened that there were born unto them handsome and beautiful daughters. And the angels, the children of heaven, saw them and desired them and they said to one another, ’Come, let us choose wives for ourselves among the daughters of men and beget us children.’ And Semyaz, being their leader, said onto them, ’Let us all swear an oath and bind everyone among us by a curse not to abandon this suggestion but to do the deed.’ Then they all swore together and bound one another by the curse. And they were altogether two hundred."

[Swan]

Hi Billy,

Thank you for this interesting thread.

I was just wondering if "The Book of Knowledge, The Keys of Enoch" by J.J.Hurtack bears any relevance to the subject.
I have not read it...but in the introduction he mentions the 24 elders of light.

BTW, your two last posts came in at 17.17 and 18.18 - my time :)

[TOTHE]

Thank you billyji for tying together the 200 and startling conclusion of them as a soul group.
I never made that connection so I thought they were just mutinous astronauts. In 2008 after devouring all of Zecharia Sitchin’s books, two of them (When Time Began and The Lost Book of Enki) got me on the Enoch and Stonehenge connection, I had to read the Book of Enoch. It seems Enoch and Enki visited Stonehenge and I needed biblical confirmation. The book I chose for the interpretation of Enoch was Fallen Angels by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

My perception:
The 200 Igigi were very long lived, one of their years was equal to 3,600 of our years. They lost over time their spiritual knowledge of the existence of the soul because of their near immortality. It took the intervention of the angelic entity “The Watcher” to remind them that they were part of a soul group. I think the soul that each and every one of us has is the unique singularity of consciousness called the “Watcher”...the “Watcher” is us. It “The Watcher” in the quantum state (our singularity) is what pulls our memory and genetic molecular state memory when we die a physical death. When we are born our we move from quantum to molecular, when we die we move from molecular to quantum. Our singularity changes states in those two events, the only reason we cannot remember is biochemical molecular memory can just hold so much information. That is good too, what good will the nuclear physics of stars and black holes do you when someone is trying to shoot you or trying to escape from a Sabre Tooth Cat?

Book of Enoch
From-The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/enoch.html

Search engine for the above.
https://s2-us3.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_search&pid=df35fc70501ece0da33bb32f7b9e2ea2


PDF of the Books of Enoch, 513k.
http://archive.org/details/AllTheBooksOfEnochenoch1Enoch2Enoch3


When Time Began
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/whentimebegan/whentimebegan.htm

Source of Sitchin’s books
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sitchin.htm#Excerpts_and_Comments_from_Zecharia_Sitchins_books

[lookbeyond]

Thanks TOTHE for all the links, i look forward to reading them this weekend,

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Billy]

Hi Billy,

Thank you for this interesting thread.

I was just wondering if "The Book of Knowledge, The Keys of Enoch" by J.J.Hurtack bears any relevance to the subject.
I have not read it...but in the introduction he mentions the 24 elders of light.

BTW, your two last posts came in at 17.17 and 18.18 - my time :)

Hi Swan. Yes the 24 Elders of light that J.J.Hurtack mentions are the same 24 Elders. I went to a Keys of Enoch conference back in 1998 which was presented by one of his followers who flew over from Germany. I bought the book but i only skimmed through it. I found the conference a tad dull but it was this followers first conference. Maybe i will dig the book out and give it another go.

When i listen to Hurtach himself in interviews, I find him very uplifting and knowledgeable.

Peace

[Billy]

The Shield of Michael pendant carved by Fred Rusher after an image found in the Kabala shows the 12 pairs or 24 civilizations. On the back of the pendant are four words: “Shemesh”, "U-Magen", "YHWH" and "Elohim". I have no idea what the Hebrew words on the front are. I had the pleasure to meet Fred at a November, 2009 Tempe Arizona David Wilcock Devine Cosmos convention. Fred had no idea what the copied from a book sacred geometry represented, but by intuition I recognized it as soon as I saw it as a ancient depiction or artistic expression of the 24 civilizations. Fred did mention he had to read The Only Planet of Choice two times to my three to grasp the significance of the message. Anyhow I bought the pendant and a 1 foot diameter wall carving. The wall carving is now hanging next to the Mayan calendar that I bought in Tijuana during the mid 80’s for $20.

There is a E-Book for The Only Planet of Choice
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/contents.htm
Or the 793k PDF
http://archive.org/details/TheOnlyPlanetOfChoice

Stuart Holroyd’s book The Nine: Briefing From Deep Space mentions that Phyllis Schlemmer received some of the transmissions while sitting in a faraday cage to shield from EMF interference. This was done early for confirmation that she was transceiving from the sub quantum and not channeling from the EM spectrum

Shield of Michael Pendant from Fred's workshop at http://geocosmicarts.com
http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/themes/eggo/sp-framework/timthumb/timthumb.php?src=http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-micheal-bz-sd-1.45-inch.jpg&h=347&w=347&zc=1&q=90&a=c&s=&f=&cc=&ct=

TOTHE i have a request. As you have this pendant, would it be possible to take a more detailed picture of it and post it here in this thread. A more detailed view of the Hebrew Text and the reverse side if possible.

Only if you can. Much appreciated.

Billyji

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Wow i was just thinking it would be great to have a thread to combine spirit and science ; 0) Thanks billy boy.

But there are so many words to read its hurting my little ant brain! Aaaah

N

[TOTHE]

billyji; There is no way I can get a good resolution even with expanding the images here.
Suggestion would be that you examine whole plaque and pendant. The black spars that radiate from the center have fine Hebrew characters in all of them, you need a magnifying glass to see them and there is no way an electronic scanner can pick them out. For this project you need your eyeball and use all the computing wetware (software) of the mind you can muster up.
Private message me your mailing address and I will send both items for you to examine. When you are finished send them back and post your research and drawings on this board. I am very curious of what you will find!

http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-micheal-bz-sd-1.45-inch.jpg

http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-michael-sl-sd-1.45-inch.jpg

Wood pendant I cannot expand.

http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-michael.jpg
http://geocosmicarts.com/products-page/sacred-symbols-pendants

[Billy]

Thank you billyji for tying together the 200 and startling conclusion of them as a soul group.
I never made that connection so I thought they were just mutinous astronauts. In 2008 after devouring all of Zecharia Sitchin’s books, two of them (When Time Began and The Lost Book of Enki) got me on the Enoch and Stonehenge connection, I had to read the Book of Enoch. It seems Enoch and Enki visited Stonehenge and I needed biblical confirmation. The book I chose for the interpretation of Enoch was Fallen Angels by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

My perception:
The 200 Igigi were very long lived, one of their years was equal to 3,600 of our years. They lost over time their spiritual knowledge of the existence of the soul because of their near immortality. It took the intervention of the angelic entity “The Watcher” to remind them that they were part of a soul group. I think the soul that each and every one of us has is the unique singularity of consciousness called the “Watcher”...the “Watcher” is us. It “The Watcher” in the quantum state (our singularity) is what pulls our memory and genetic molecular state memory when we die a physical death. When we are born our we move from quantum to molecular, when we die we move from molecular to quantum. Our singularity changes states in those two events, the only reason we cannot remember is biochemical molecular memory can just hold so much information. That is good too, what good will the nuclear physics of stars and black holes do you when someone is trying to shoot you or trying to escape from a Sabre Tooth Cat?



Thank you for reposting the pendant TOTHE, I will inquire more.

Yes it seems that the great and glorious device that Enoch mentions in CHAPTER XXXIV. Was Stonehendge.
1. And from thence I went towards the north to the ends of the earth, and there I saw a great and glorious device at the ends of the whole earth.

I used to attend evening classes at Edinburgh University. The Late Gordon Strachan was my lecturer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Strachan_%28minister%29 And this was his theory also.
That for Enoch to have seen the rising and settings of the sun and moon and stars mentioned, the he would have to have been standing at a certain Longitude and Latitude on earth. Latitude: 51°10′44″N Longitude: 1°49′34″W = Stonehendge.

I am not sure i agree that we were or are the Watchers. The Watchers were Angelic Beings. Some of the Watchers were the Fallen ones. According to Enoch.

Peace.

[Billy]

I downloaded the PDF files that Mozart posted here.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension

After reading the first file last night, I could not shut my inner voice up. Enoch, Enoch, So this morning i looked through the book of Enoch to see if there was any connection to what Science Daniel was bringing to the table and Enoch.
So I am going to carry on with more Enoch material. This time bringing some scientific theories into place along with text from Enoch.

This section will look at our Sun and earth changes that we are witnessing and possibly witness in our near future.

Quote from different sections throughout the Book of Enoch.

CHAPTER LXXXII.

1. And now, my son Methuselah, all these things I am recounting to thee and writing down for thee, and I have revealed to thee everything, and given thee books concerning all these: so preserve, my son Methuselah, the books from thy father's hand, and (see) that thou deliver them to the generations of the world.

2. I have given Wisdom to thee and to thy children, [And thy children that shall be to thee], That they may give it to their children for generations, This wisdom (namely) that passeth their thought.

3. And those who understand it shall not sleep, But shall listen with the ear that they may learn this wisdom, And it shall please those that eat thereof better than good food.

XLI. 3-9. Astronomical Secrets.

8. For the sun changes oft for a blessing or a curse, (Another Little Gem)


CHAPTER LXXX.
1. And in those days the angel Uriel answered and said to me: 'Behold, I have shown thee everything, Enoch, and I have revealed everything to thee that thou shouldst see this sun and this moon, and the leaders of the stars of the heaven and all those who turn them, their tasks and times and departures.

LXXX. 2-8. Perversion of Nature and the heavenly Bodies owning to the Sin of Men.

the years shall be shortened, And their seed shall be tardy on their lands and fields, And all things on the earth shall alter, And shall not appear in their time:
And the rain shall be kept back And the heaven shall withhold (it).

3. And in those times the fruits of the earth shall be backward, And shall not grow in their time, And the fruits of the trees shall be withheld in their time.

4. And the moon shall alter her order, And not appear at her time.

5. [And in those days the sun shall be seen and he shall journey in the evening †on the extremity of the great chariot† in the west] And shall shine more brightly than accords with the order of light.

6. And many chiefs of the stars shall transgress the order (prescribed). And these shall alter their orbits and tasks, And not appear at the seasons prescribed to them.




CHAPTER XCI.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away, And a new heaven shall appear, And all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.

17. And after that there will be many weeks without number for ever, And all shall be in goodness and righteousness, And sin shall no more be mentioned for ever.

End Quote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here we have what Daniel Says. here. http://projectavalon.net/Geoengineering_Daniel.pdf[/URL]


The Solar Transition
Time to put pieces together… the sun is getting hotter from all the dust and debris the solar system is now experiencing.13 The increased fuel will increase the thermal destructive limit, which will cause a corresponding increase in magnetic ionization level, which will make more elements available for the stellar combustion process—the sun is going to get brighter and hotter. Initially, this will occur as bright flashes,14 like a mini novae, until sufficient material is available to hold the magnetic ionization limit at the next quantum step. At that time, the sun will suddenly jump up in stellar class, and remain there. (Well, “up” in the Reciprocal System, “down” in conventional astronomy, since they have it backwards.)

12Described in detail in Prof. KVK Nehru's paper, “Glimpses into the Structure of the Sun.” See footnote 28.

13The reason for the excess dust in the solar system is not clear, but astronomers have known it was coming for over 50 years. New Agers have billed it as the photon belt, but it is more likely to be just nebular dust or a protostar that is intersecting the plane of our solar system. As our sun, part of the Sagittarius Dwarf, intersects the plane of the Milky Way, such occurrences are very probable.

14These bright flashes of the sun have been reported since 2010 at the higher altitudes, where the atmosphere is thinner and there is no pollution/smog layer. The increased intensity (flash) lasts for several minutes to several hours and tends to be laser-like, causing peculiar damage in a small area, such the sudden death of plants and trees (leaves are burned to a crisp) or the cracking of car windshields.

The transition should be interesting. When the magnetic ionization level of the sun increases, it will be like throwing a cup of gasoline on the barbecue grill coals—a burst of flame and thermal activity, so much that it will move the thermal speeds past the speed of light. This “inverse thermal emission” actually occurs frequently on a small scale and is documented in detail in Prof. KVK Nehru's paper, Glimpses Into the Structure of the Sun: The Solar Interior and the Sunspots, and is the reason that sunspots are dark and appear cool. Inverse (FTL) thermal motion is super-hot, so hot that it appears cold and the region of the sun where it takes place goes dark, as in the sunspot umbra.

There are already indications of this beginning to occur.15 Except this time, the whole sun will become an “umbra”—there should be a bright flash, like a nova flare, when the gas hits the fire (additional elements suddenly being available for fuel from the jump in magnetic ionization), then the sun will go dark, like it went out. But only for a short time, until the initial burst of new fuel has burned up and the sun returns to the zone of stability. Like most things, this has happened before16 and will happen again.

Also recall the radioactive transitions. When the magnetic ionization increases, there will be a huge burst of radio waves as the material is accelerated FTL, along with the nova flare. The sun will go dark—FTL motion—and when it starts to light up again, there will be a huge burst of x-rays from the sun, and the possible ejection of a great deal of matter from the surface of the sun, due to the re-expansion of FTL thermal motion back to sub-light speed.

Post-Transition
After the transition is complete, the sun will be physically larger, brighter (more white than yellow) and hotter than before—and it is going to stay that way. One would think that this situation would make the inner planets go up like marshmallows burning on the campfire. But curiously, that is not the case. Seems that whoever designed stars and planets considered this, and used the energy of transition to aid in the further evolution of life.

What will happen is that, due to the increased FTL motion in the sun, the gravitational balance of the solar system will change. FTL motion is anti-gravitational, so the sun will literally push the planets further outward in their orbits in compensation—the year will get longer.17 Being further from the sun, the planet will survive and establish a new ecosystem—but a different one.

End Quote:

Read More here. http://projectavalon.net/Geoengineering_Daniel.pdf (http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf)

Happy Sunday

Peace

EDIT: This is on topic as Enoch and the Elders were in communication, as mentioned in The book of secrets of Enoch. [URL]http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/2enoch01-68.htm

Quote:

Chapter 4

Of the angels ruling the stars

1They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and their services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.
End Quote:

[TOTHE]

Billyji;

When I met Fred Rusher in 2009 I inquired and he showed me his source for the engraved image on Shield of Michael pendant & wood carved plaque. It was an image from one of the three books of the Kabbalah. Of the book, all the writing in it was in Hebrew, it was old, pages yellow, the binding was shot, the cover and binding was white or completely covered with masking tape (I don't know which).

Looking at his business card now I see two contact phone numbers:
928-554-4613
928-203-6165
and
GeoCosmicArts.com
SedonaFred@gmail.com

When you look at the blown up bronze image a couple of posts ago, right at the center you see six small spars radiating out from the center. These I presume are the first Angelic entities or Watchers represented. When I look at the plaque now I feel as if I am looking at a graphic representation of the expansion of consciousness in the Universe originating from the time of the Big Bang. Right down from the first millisecond to different stages of time through the eons.

From our legends, the book of the Kabbalah was presented to a tribe that had learned the Hebrew writing. The reason the writing is more than 4,000 years old, with the same characters was to keep the original text as undistorted as possible. If the Shield image was preserved as I hope it was, we are looking something that would give a teachers aid for use on students, shepherds and goatherds a better mental picture of the Universe. Guess what, this is what I see...somewhere in my DNA or genetic memory, a trigger?? Maybe the written 24 Hebrew permutations of God were added later in history by the priests to control the masses but looking placement of the spars is enough. Now if a Crop Circle has shown up or will show up with the Shield we will have more questions to ponder.

In regard to CME’s affecting 7 billion people if the Sun burps I suspect the creator gods will will “stop time” to minimize collateral damage. This I think happened in 1973 when there had to be a solar “adjustment” and everybody on Earth went to sleep for a day. Ah, this living in the matrix thing, I hope it is not a machine intelligence for I think it would DECEIVE me... the Creator would not. I am confused enough as it is.

[AwakeInADream]

Assigning the numerical weight of the Hebrew alphabet to the periodic table we get:
YHVH = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen as the name of God.
YHVG = Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Carbon as the name of Man.
Also as translated YH is read as “the Eternal”. That means YH (God/Eternal) forms one-half of God’s name and the name coded in our cells, that leaves us the name of God in the body of Man.

Hi ToThe!:)

I know I've left it a while and the thread has moved on, but I was just wondering where you got
the attributions of these chemical elements from, for the name of God YHVH.
I can't make sense of it. It's not the atomic number is it?

The name YHVH adds up to 26, that is Yod(10) Hey(5) Vav(6) Hey(5).
This would give Y=Neon(atomic number 10),H=Boron(5),V=Carbon(6), and Boron(5) again.

It is interesting to look at the table of elements in relation to Hebrew Gematria though,
because YHVH=26 and God is associated with the Iron Rod, and Iron has an atomic number of 26.

The name YH (the eternal) is 15 which is Phosphorus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus

The first form of elemental phosphorus to be produced (white phosphorus, in 1669) emits a faint glow upon exposure to oxygen – hence its name given from Greek mythology, Φωσφόρος meaning "light-bearer" (Latin Lucifer), referring to the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The term "phosphorescence", meaning glow after illumination, originally derives from this property of phosphorus, although this word has since been used for a different physical process that produces a glow. The glow of phosphorus itself originates from oxidation of the white (but not red) phosphorus— a process now termed chemiluminescence.
It's strange how the name Lucifer comes up in relation to this element on Wikipedia...
It is interesting to note that Oxygen is 8 the number of Christ.

[TOTHE]

AwakeInADream;
This is where you can start. I read the book in late 2009. The information has now exploded all over the internet, I have not been keeping track.

Seeking the Devine Code of life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo72IeriuDY

The God Code pdf. From some of the tables & information here you can begin constructing the name.
http://www.mediaspotlight.org/pdfs/THEGODCODE.pdf

Periodic table pdf.
http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/periodic/SSHK1PER.PDF

[PurpleLama]

Here is the hebrew alphabet, honestly I don't see a lot of variation in the letters, and it is difficult to say if it even has YHVH on it....

http://www.truthonthenet.com/hebrew-alphabet.gif

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I did download the pics to look even closer....

[AwakeInADream]

AwakeInADream;
This is where you can start. I read the book in late 2009. The information has now exploded all over the internet, I have not been keeping track.

Seeking the Devine Code of life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo72IeriuDY

The God Code pdf. From some of the tables & information here you can begin constructing the name.
http://www.mediaspotlight.org/pdfs/THEGODCODE.pdf

Periodic table pdf.
http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/periodic/SSHK1PER.PDF

Thank's!:) I recognize Gregg Bradan, I've seen him before,
talking about how the higher vibration of love can activate unused DNA.
That will make for some interesting reading...
So it wasn't the atomic weight, it was the simple mass, that explains it.

[Billy]

billyji; There is no way I can get a good resolution even with expanding the images here.
Suggestion would be that you examine whole plaque and pendant. The black spars that radiate from the center have fine Hebrew characters in all of them, you need a magnifying glass to see them and there is no way an electronic scanner can pick them out. For this project you need your eyeball and use all the computing wetware (software) of the mind you can muster up.
Private message me your mailing address and I will send both items for you to examine. When you are finished send them back and post your research and drawings on this board. I am very curious of what you will find!

http://projects.design-vitamin.com/gca/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shield-of-micheal-bz-sd-1.45-inch.jpg



I emailed Darren Stein regarding the pendant, I found him here, http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/KabbalArt.

This is his reply.

Hi William

Thank you for your email. I had a look at the amulet on the link you provided and attached it to this document.

There are 60 repetitions of the sacred name of Yahaweh (Hebrew: Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey). Jews are not allowed to openly say or write the sacred name of G-d on any item other than a holy text, so in this case the letters have been rearranged into a mix which avoids writing the name in the correct order so that the amulet still displays the protective quality of the name, but diminishes the holliness so as to avoid disrespect to G-d.

There are two Magen David's (Stars of David) at the centre of the amulet with multiple directional stars eminating outwards. These are surrounded by G-d's names indicating that G-d is omnipresent. The variations on the star and triangle are evident in numerous Kabbalistic and mystical symbols.

The numbers of repitions probably allude to categories of time: 60 names, 24 flames, 12 points on the outer star, etc.

This would be my precursary analysis without being able to examine the amulet itself.

Regards
Darren Stein, BA(Wits) Grad.Dip.Jew.Studies (Hebrew/UNSW), MIntS, MTeach (Sydney)

[Billy]

And the magic number 24 and DNA comes yet again. Thanks to WhiteCrowBlackDeer posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=586164#post586164

Nevine z Rottinger speaks about the 24 different star children groups on our planet at this time. As a clairvoyant Nevine sees 24 different frequencies in the children's field, also different variations in the resonance of their DNA. Each of these groups are bringing an opportunity for humanity.

Enjoy

_LxWLCPa4Gk

Peace

[AwakeInADream]

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=24

This is a link to an excellent resource I often use for looking up the Gematria
numerical values of Hebrew and Greek words in the Bible.

The link will take you to directly to the search results for the number 24.
The name David is 24, as is Love and Father.

The site is called Biblewheel.com, and it's full of interesting stuff about Biblical numerology.

This may come in useful, as there are a lot of things hidden within the Gematria.

For instance 'The Tree of Knowledge' is 233, and 'The Garden of Eden' is 144.
These reveal an approximation of The Golden Ratio like so 233/144=1.618055556.

[Beren]

It`s interesting to notice a progression in the book of revelation.
It starts as a message but despite glooms and dooms there is always a reminder to what will happen if people turn theirselves to light love and justice. This is very significant as a reminder of our choice.

It`s not God who does it (ultimately it is ) it is us who cause various scenarios to emerge.

End is a perfectly good deal; God dwells with humanity.
Literary.

It`s a long way until then but eventually it arrives. Here`s the clue of why humanity is under such an interest of many races out there...

[eaglespirit]

Thank You Billyji, for sharing Your story here!

From a Friend...this may add some revelations to Your Revelations...
many of You may find this rather interesting if You do not already know of it:

D6kpZKcTQBY

[Billy]

Thank you eagle, I mention Mauro on the first page of this thread, with the link to the existing thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

Peace

[eaglespirit]

Thank you eagle, I mention Mauro on the first page of this thread, with the link to the existing thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

Peace

Thanks billyji....I missed that, had a feeling that You were already tied into this as it resonates and correlates with Your experiences.

Seems it is all meant to be noticed and downloaded as it has been brought fourth a number of times just today here at Avalon.

Once again, thank you for sharing your experiences...it is all coming together at an ever-increasing rate : )

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou eaglespirit, breathtaking information, i will be interested in reading more from this man and also back to the Old Testament, thanks again,

lokkbeyond

[TOTHE]

I crashed into this book today when researching the 24 Elders. This rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper!



“The human astral soul is both an alien parasite or symbiote, and a natural part of a human being.” It seems the reason our DNA looks “artificial or alien” is because the “human astral souls” have changed it over the last 36,000 years. This proves that thought directs matter and where the focus is directed energy flows. Also with 7 billion people on this planet we have many astral souls from all over the Universe adding to the complexity of the Human Genome. I am giving you two links: one for the 1988 self published book and the 2008 summary.



War in Heaven. by Kyle Griffith

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm



Below is a quote from chapter

Chapter 21:

Hitch-Hiking Spirits




Q. Please continue explaining how intelligent life is created. Especially, I’d like to know more about the relationship between the body and the soul.


A. The human astral soul is both an alien parasite or symbiote, and a natural part of a human being. All mammals have astral souls, but the astral soul of a human being is extremely different from the astral soul of an ape. Human beings were radically altered by psychokinetic genetic manipulation to become physically different from other apes.


The brain, the hands, the sense organs, the general musculature, and the organs used in standing and walking erect are all very different in humans than they are in apes. However, the scientists who recently started mapping the DNA structure of anthropoid apes found it much more similar to that of humans from what they had expected.


And when genetic science begins to learn the details of how random mutations usually change the DNA structure, the scientists will discover that the genetic differences between apes and humans don’t fit the usual patterns. They’ll realize that the particular loops in the DNA molecule that causes the genetic differences between people and apes have an artificial or alien look to them.


That’s because they actually are artificial: changes made by spirits from other worlds that were familiar with genetic patterns different from those on Earth.


The somatic soul of the human species was genetically altered just as radically as the body, and is also very different from the somatic soul of an ape. The human somatic soul’s nervous system is much more highly developed for transmitting and using astral energy, and the attachment point for the astral soul is much more highly developed.


This attachment point allows any human astral soul to incarnate, including those used to incarnating in bodies very different from human bodies on Earth. In other words, there is a sort of standardization among human-type bodies on many different worlds to allow them to be linked to a wide variety of astral souls. There are often problems of astral tissue-compatibility if body and soul are too different, but it is still possible for many different types of astral souls from many different worlds to incarnate on Earth.


One of the chief characteristics of intelligent beings compared with similar non-intelligent beings is that both the body and the astral soul show strong evidence of neoteny. For example, many scientists on Earth have noticed that an adult human being retains many physical characteristics found in an anthropoid ape during infancy or childhood, but lost as it matures.


When a neotenous salamander like an axolotl retains its gills while becoming sexually mature, the resulting neotenous adult is physiologically more primitive, meaning that there is less specialization of the tissues and organs than in a normal adult of the same species. Human beings are physiologically more primitive than other large primates such as gorillas, baboons, or chimpanzees. This is especially true of the voluntary musculature. It is well known that all the great apes far exceed human beings in relative strength, because of differences in the muscle structure. Notice too that there’s a marked gender-difference in humans in muscle structure as well.


The adult female, with her smoother voluntary muscles and a more extensive layer of subcutaneous fat, is more primitive and more neotenous than the adult male.




Here is summary of the above Kyle Griffith’s book The Invisible College: War in Heaven by Gerry Zeitlin
Please direct your attention to the section on the summary of “Hitch-hiking Spirits”. There is also a section on gods.



Gods

The Invisible College has stated that Gods don't exist. That statement is completely true in the context in which they used it. Throughout human history on Earth, some spirits have pretended to be Gods, using a definition of the term that allows them to rule over human beings without being accountable for their actions. These definitions assert that Gods are greatly superior to humans in wisdom and morality, encouraging people to let deities deny them their rights to consent of the governed.

However, the human spirits making these claims are simply lying.


They are not superior to ordinary people except in possessing certain forms of knowledge and power; and in moral terms they are significantly inferior because their very existence depends on enslaving and exploiting living people and other disembodied spirits. Since pretending to be Gods is one of the chief sources of Theocratic power, the Invisible College attacked it very strongly in an earlier section of this book.

Now it is time to look at spiritual reality from an even larger perspective, and to deal with the idea that intelligent beings greater than humans actually exist. There are two types, "elementals" and "Gods," and their description will begin in the next section of this book. However, this segment concludes with the assurance that everything previously stated about Gods and human rights still stands.


The elementals and Gods that are about to be described are still not morally superior to humans, and it is our duty - the duty of advanced human civilizations on other worlds and people on Earth as well ­ to stand up to these beings and demand our rights as sovereign individuals.



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warheaven-II.htm

[Kiforall]

Thank you eagle, I mention Mauro on the first page of this thread, with the link to the existing thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

Peace

Thanks billyji....I missed that, had a feeling that You were already tied into this as it resonates and correlates with Your experiences.

Seems it is all meant to be noticed and downloaded as it has been brought fourth a number of times just today here at Avalon.

Once again, thank you for sharing your experiences...it is all coming together at an ever-increasing rate : )

It's just another one of those coincidences that I believe will soon be understood by all ;)

Zoe x

[Billy]

I crashed into this book today when researching the 24 Elders. This rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper!




Excellent TOTHE, Thank you for taking the time and effort in going deeper down the rabbit hole.

Peace

Billyji

[lookbeyond]

I crashed into this book today when researching the 24 Elders. This rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper!



“The human astral soul is both an alien parasite or symbiote, and a natural part of a human being.” It seems the reason our DNA looks “artificial or alien” is because the “human astral souls” have changed it over the last 36,000 years. This proves that thought directs matter and where the focus is directed energy flows. Also with 7 billion people on this planet we have many astral souls from all over the Universe adding to the complexity of the Human Genome. I am giving you two links: one for the 1988 self published book and the 2008 summary.



War in Heaven. by Kyle Griffith

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm



Below is a quote from chapter

Chapter 21:

Hitch-Hiking Spirits




Q. Please continue explaining how intelligent life is created. Especially, I’d like to know more about the relationship between the body and the soul.


A. The human astral soul is both an alien parasite or symbiote, and a natural part of a human being. All mammals have astral souls, but the astral soul of a human being is extremely different from the astral soul of an ape. Human beings were radically altered by psychokinetic genetic manipulation to become physically different from other apes.


The brain, the hands, the sense organs, the general musculature, and the organs used in standing and walking erect are all very different in humans than they are in apes. However, the scientists who recently started mapping the DNA structure of anthropoid apes found it much more similar to that of humans from what they had expected.


And when genetic science begins to learn the details of how random mutations usually change the DNA structure, the scientists will discover that the genetic differences between apes and humans don’t fit the usual patterns. They’ll realize that the particular loops in the DNA molecule that causes the genetic differences between people and apes have an artificial or alien look to them.


That’s because they actually are artificial: changes made by spirits from other worlds that were familiar with genetic patterns different from those on Earth.


The somatic soul of the human species was genetically altered just as radically as the body, and is also very different from the somatic soul of an ape. The human somatic soul’s nervous system is much more highly developed for transmitting and using astral energy, and the attachment point for the astral soul is much more highly developed.


This attachment point allows any human astral soul to incarnate, including those used to incarnating in bodies very different from human bodies on Earth. In other words, there is a sort of standardization among human-type bodies on many different worlds to allow them to be linked to a wide variety of astral souls. There are often problems of astral tissue-compatibility if body and soul are too different, but it is still possible for many different types of astral souls from many different worlds to incarnate on Earth.


One of the chief characteristics of intelligent beings compared with similar non-intelligent beings is that both the body and the astral soul show strong evidence of neoteny. For example, many scientists on Earth have noticed that an adult human being retains many physical characteristics found in an anthropoid ape during infancy or childhood, but lost as it matures.


When a neotenous salamander like an axolotl retains its gills while becoming sexually mature, the resulting neotenous adult is physiologically more primitive, meaning that there is less specialization of the tissues and organs than in a normal adult of the same species. Human beings are physiologically more primitive than other large primates such as gorillas, baboons, or chimpanzees. This is especially true of the voluntary musculature. It is well known that all the great apes far exceed human beings in relative strength, because of differences in the muscle structure. Notice too that there’s a marked gender-difference in humans in muscle structure as well.


The adult female, with her smoother voluntary muscles and a more extensive layer of subcutaneous fat, is more primitive and more neotenous than the adult male.




Here is summary of the above Kyle Griffith’s book The Invisible College: War in Heaven by Gerry Zeitlin
Please direct your attention to the section on the summary of “Hitch-hiking Spirits”. There is also a section on gods.



Gods

The Invisible College has stated that Gods don't exist. That statement is completely true in the context in which they used it. Throughout human history on Earth, some spirits have pretended to be Gods, using a definition of the term that allows them to rule over human beings without being accountable for their actions. These definitions assert that Gods are greatly superior to humans in wisdom and morality, encouraging people to let deities deny them their rights to consent of the governed.

However, the human spirits making these claims are simply lying.


They are not superior to ordinary people except in possessing certain forms of knowledge and power; and in moral terms they are significantly inferior because their very existence depends on enslaving and exploiting living people and other disembodied spirits. Since pretending to be Gods is one of the chief sources of Theocratic power, the Invisible College attacked it very strongly in an earlier section of this book.

Now it is time to look at spiritual reality from an even larger perspective, and to deal with the idea that intelligent beings greater than humans actually exist. There are two types, "elementals" and "Gods," and their description will begin in the next section of this book. However, this segment concludes with the assurance that everything previously stated about Gods and human rights still stands.


The elementals and Gods that are about to be described are still not morally superior to humans, and it is our duty - the duty of advanced human civilizations on other worlds and people on Earth as well ­ to stand up to these beings and demand our rights as sovereign individuals.



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warheaven-II.htm

Hi All, just spent some time reading above link on theocracy- sounds nasty-does anyone wish to discuss?

Thanks in advance, lookbeyond addit- billyji if this is wrong thread to discuss on, im happy to repost elsewhere lb :)

[lookbeyond]

Shall i begin? Does anyone else find the thought of the invisible college and its rival of theocracy somewhat too bad to be true? To me it seems as if the theocrats have an unfair advantage- thats if they exist- and i hope they dont- because the eating of souls is too ghastly to contemplate

lookbeyond

[TOTHE]

Shall i begin? Does anyone else find the thought of the invisible college and its rival of theocracy somewhat too bad to be true? To me it seems as if the theocrats have an unfair advantage- thats if they exist- and i hope they dont- because the eating of souls is too ghastly to contemplate

lookbeyond

I am still digging and digesting. Looking for summaries to get a better handle on it. I highlighted part of the text in item # 19.

WiH forum (read only)
http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yuku.com/forums/81/War-in-Heaven

Text from Appendices
http://revolutionaryspiritualism.yuku.com/topic/364/31-WiH-Appendices


Appendix C: Summary - A Revolutionary Cosmology

1 The human soul is composed of astral matter, which is different in subatomic composition from physical matter but still follows the same general set of natural laws. The soul is a complex biological entity just as the body is, and it is not immortal or imperishable. Like any living thing, it can grow, and repair its own tissues, but it can also be wounded or sicken and die. It also requires nourishment, which it obtains from the body while incarnated. The human body converts some of the chemical energy from the food it ingests into astral energy, which nourishes the soul.

2 After the physical body dies, the soul can survive temporarily in a disembodied state, living on energy it stored while incarnated. Disembodied souls (spirits) can also absorb astral energy radiated by living people who are in states of consciousness that activate their psychic powers - sexual orgasm, religious ecstasy, etc.; but this energy is not usually enough to nourish them adequately. Spirits can also drain astral energy directly from other spirits. Such spiritual vampirism and cannibalism is one of the principal causes of the War in Heaven.

3 The spirit world (astral plane) is not "the natural abode of the soul" as so much religious literature asserts, but is a harsh and hostile environment; many souls do not survive when they enter it after physical death. The astral plane is a condition, not a place. We can't see spiritual beings because the astral matter of which they are made does not reflect or absorb ordinary light, but they are all around us, all the time, right here on the surface of the Earth.

4 Some disembodied spirits can use their psychic powers to communicate with each other and with living people. Since the telepathic faculty of an average Earth person is locked deep in the subconscious mind, psychic communications from spirits and from other people usually are recorded directly in the subconscious memory banks without the knowledge or approval of the conscious mind. Because of this, disembodied spirits and living psychics can practice a form of mind control that most people find very difficult to detect or resist.

5 After physical death, some human souls become "Theocrats." They refuse to reincarnate, but stay disembodied indefinitely. Theocrats maintain political power over other spirits by falsely claiming to be gods, sustaining themselves by feeding off the vital energies of others. The Theocrats use certain forms of organized religion to enslave the souls of believers after death, and they oppose all efforts by living people to build a truly advanced civilization on Earth.

6 The psychic powers of the Theocrats are not strong enough to allow them to paralyze the will of a living person and simply take over direct control of his or her conscious mind. Instead, they practice mind control by telepathically reprogramming the subconscious of anyone who is in the correct state of consciousness to be vulnerable. Until recently, the Theocrats most often practiced this mind control during religious rituals, but they now also practice it on people who are watching television or listening to recorded music. It is no accident that so many people have compared the hero worship of media stars with the religious worship of gods. The purpose of both is the same: to enslave people to the Theocrats.

7 The cruelest Theocratic deception of all is the religious promise of "eternal life in Heaven." Everyone who enters 'Heaven" after death is really entering a Theocratic band. A few of the souls who become entrapped in such bands will eventually become Theocrats themselves. The rest will be devoured. And the concept that human souls can become immortal only by remaining on the astral plane with the "gods" is a lie anyway. A soul can survive almost indefinitely simply by reincarnating for life after life on Earth, and it can grow in wisdom and psychic power during the process.

8 The War in Heaven is an effort by another group of spirits, called the "Invisible College" in this book, to break the control of the Theocrats over the human race and allow people to continue their natural spiritual and cultural evolution. The subconscious telepathic manipulations of the Invisible College are responsible for most of what is good in modern civilization.

9 Some of the spirits in the Invisible College have been sent here deliberately by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that possess sufficient psychic technology to teleport souls over interstellar distances. These extraterrestrial spirits are partly motivated by altruism, but they are also serving the interest of their own societies. The Theocrats are potentially dangerous to the inhabitants of other worlds because they are perverting the natural capacity of the human soul to form god-like composite entities.

10 The human race exists in two forms: individual and composite. The individual form consists of a soul incarnated in a body, and is a complete living creature that can perform all life functions, including reproduction. An individual disembodied human soul cannot reproduce on its own. Every soul was originally created by a human body, and the body cannot survive without a soul. If a disembodied soul does not incarnate into an infant, a new soul forms through a natural embryonic process.

11 However, the human soul also has the potential to fore a composite entity similar to the group soul that a colony of social insects possesses. Instead of attaching themselves to bodies, a large number of disembodied souls attach themselves together, creating a composite entity with the potential to develop a conscious intelligence separate from that of the individual souls contained in it. If this entity possesses only an animal mind and emotions, it is called an Elemental Spirit. If it develops full creative intelligence and becomes a moral, rational being, it is called a God. (However, it is important to realize
that such a God has little in common with the Theocratic impostors who have been posing as gods on Earth throughout history.)

12 Both Elementals and Gods are complete living beings capable of reproduction, and they are not dependent on the human body to supply them with nourishment, because they can directly absorb the astral energy radiated into space by certain kinds of stars. However, they cannot do this while they are on or near the surface of a planet, but only while traveling through deep space.

13 When planet-bound, both Elementals and Gods can obtain the energy needed for life and growth only from psychic emanations of living people or by absorbing other disembodied spirits. In their embryonic stages, the Gods are just as parasitic on the living human race as the Theocrats are; of course, a human embryo is a parasite on its mother, too.

14 The natural course of human evolution on a planet is a grim and animalistic one, dictated by iron laws of ecology. It is natural for human civilizations to develop under the complete control of Theocratic spirits, and to make slow but steady technological progress that eventually allows the living population to increase into the billions. Such a society allows little opportunity for individual freedom or personal psychic development, and most souls that survive for more than a few incarnations do so only by becoming Theocrats.

15 Eventually, human overpopulation begins to destroy the planet's biosphere, and deaths begin to exceed births by hundreds of millions every year. Theocratic bands on the astral plane became larger and larger, and some of them develop minds of their own and turn into Elemental spirits. The Elementals devour most of the Theocrats who are running the civilization, which then collapses, causing the living population to drop even further. At this point, the Elementals depart into space and the whole cycle begins again, unless the planet has been too badly damaged to support human life any more.

16 These Elementals are extremely dangerous to people on other worlds. They have the minds and emotions of predatory animals. Whenever they approach an inhabited planet, they remember devouring human souls as infants and attack this concentrated supply of food. An advanced human civilization with a high level of psychic technology can survive such an attack, but only by fighting a desperate war and suffering heavy casualties. This is why the extraterrestrial spirits are now on Earth: to interfere with this process both for our sake and for their own.

17 If they succeed in winning this War in Heaven, new Gods will be formed instead of destructive Elementals when Earth's population reaches the die-off point; and with luck, a new advanced civilization of individual human beings will also be born.

18 There is very little that ordinary Earth people can do to assist the extraterrestrial spirits in their direct psychic battles with the Theocrats and the Elementals that the latter control. The Invisible College recruits a few advanced magicians to fight in this phase of the War in Heaven, but anyone with enough spiritual knowledge and psychic training to qualify already knew everything in this book before reading it. Most attempts to recruit Earth people to fight in the War in Heaven using operational magic are Theocratic deceptions.

19 What then does the Invisible College want people to do to assist in winning the War in Heaven? The most important thing you can do if you agree with the basic thesis of this book is to ensure your own survival after death, by avoiding all forms of Theocratic mind control and by developing as much conscious control over your psychic powers as you can. Stay away from religious and occult groups that practice religious mind control, and don't become addicted to popular music or the electronic media; but do work with occult or New Age groups that teach people how to take charge of their own spiritual destiny.

20 War In Heaven contains many negative, frightening ideas, but it is essentially a positive book. It is very probable that the Invisible College will win over the Theocrats, and that most of the human race will survive to enter a New Age. The only people who won't survive will be those who die and are swallowed up in Theocratic bands before this happens. The goal of the Spiritual Revolutionary movement is to allow as many people as possible to avoid this fate by spreading the message in this book and helping them to make a breakthrough in consciousness about the nature of spiritual reality

[Billy]

A New Direction.

Hi guys, I was house/pet sitting a week ago and had 24/7 internet connection, Which was great, but now i am limited again to visiting the post office for my connection.

As we are rapidly approaching a very special time frame in the history of humanity. A positive one i may add, That is if humanity responds within a balanced energy field at this time. The outcome could change the destiny of all creation.

I would like to discuss " The Only Planet of Choice" The book that I posted in the OP. Tom shares with us almost 40yrs ago now that humanity and the "Others" as he names those that are working against the betterment of humanity for their own agendas. Those Others and Us are allowing not just planet earth but the whole of the created Universe to be out of balance. But humanity can assist in bringing all in to balance. If fact Humanity is the only answer to bring humanity, Our planet and Galaxy and the rest of the created universe into balance.

It is up to us.

I leave you with this to study. Then i will return in a day or so.

Peace be with you all.

I quote from the book.

ANDREW: Now, in this Universe, there are worlds of matter, antimatter, photons, rays, energies, particles and more. Which part of this domain do you exist in, or is it beyond our comprehension?

Tom: It is beyond your comprehension. We come from the zone that is cold. This is perfection.

ANDREW: You know, on Earth we are just beginning to understand, very feebly, the zone of cold or superconductivity, and we know that there is no resistance there, no friction, in other words, in our simple notion, it is the area of perpetual motion. Is that not essentially true?

Tom: This is true and this is perfection. We are in the centre. And we do not wish to sound as if we are perfect or as if we are egotistical,
but on either side of us there is the positive and there is the negative. And when I say this I mean there is the positive that is not balanced, and there is the negative that is not balanced. We are in the centre, and we are balanced. We are trying to bring those other forces into balance. We have never been out of balance. It is other things in the Universe that are not in balance. We exist at the pivotal point of the Universe. There is a balance. Within each of you there is all of the positive and all of the negative of the Universe. Do you understand?

ANDREW: No, I don't. Because you told us once that you were neither on the good nor bad side, you were the pivot in between.
Tom: Yes. But do you understand that you are the balance of this?

JOHN: We have all of the good and all of the bad ... ?

Tom: That's why you are the balance. And why we are the balance. You understand matter and anti-matter?

Tom: There is balance within all. What causes the great dissension is a similar situation to putting together matter and anti-matter. They cannot mingle, they cannot mix in harmony, they cannot blend, they become destructive to each other.
Here again, Andrew has another exchange with Tom on duality: and Tom takes several attempts to clarify the picture for him:

ANDREW: We do have difficulty understanding what is negative and what is positive, in respect of what is called 'good' and 'bad' on the human level.


Tom: It is difficult in your physical world for you to truly understand the importance of both. I will try to explain in a manner in which you may understand. It would be similar to a giant scale. We are in the pivot of this giant scale. Visualize the Universe with the pivot being us. On one side of the Universe, visualize that all is negative, and all on the other side is positive. And as you see this, you know that there is a complete out-of-balance situation. It is difficult for us to explain this so that you may understand. Within each of the sides there are many ... I will explain it in earthly terms: As each of the galaxies and solar systems within the galaxies… first I must clarify: The Universe, with the Nine in the centre, has four sides, the side opposite that in which you exist and the other two are all in balance. Do you understand?

ANDREW: Yes, I'm following.

Tom: It is in perfect balance. On this side we will now place your solar systems within your galaxies and the galaxies. If you would take a stone for each of these galaxies, if they were in perfect weight and perfect proportion to the rest of the three sides, then this would be also in balance. But if one of those stones were of a porous substance, and if you placed it in oil, and it absorbed the oil, and became weighted with the oil, then in turn it would upset the balance and pull the balance and the scale out of calibration, and would upset the other side of the Universe. Your Planet is accomplishing that. The negative is the heavy oil. Remember: the other sides are balanced, but this imbalance can in turn topple the rest. That is not correct. In actuality there is no good and there is no bad. It is only when one of them becomes sour or rotten that it then contaminates the rest, be it good or bad. Because of the ignorance of the peoples of Planet Earth, and because their religious leaders have taught ignorance, your negative forces, which do not truly appear as you see them, manifest in that way in order to instill fear. But what is truly negative - listen carefully - what has created the upset, besides the desires and the greed, is the complete denial and misinterpretation of the existence of ultimate reality. Your over-population is because of the trapping of spirits, because of reincarnation. So the Earth people, the souls and spirits that surround your Earth need to release themselves of greed and desire, because that is the trap. Your religious leaders do not understand this and do not teach the people.
Remember that in you is a seed of purity and beauty, and that if you do not maintain a balance, ugliness or an ugly part may appear. But remember forgiveness. We hold no animosity within us, and you should not do so either. Even though you exist upon a physical planet and the densest of all the planets in the Universe, remember that all souls may be saved. The only thing of which we are unforgiving is in the denunciation of God...

ANDREW: Yes, I understand I think at times there have been occasions we have been guilty of that attitude.

Tom: This is a truth. But remember to forgive when there is true acknowledgement. May we say to you, to voice what you feel is one thing, but it is the act that is important. There are many actors upon the world's stage that play a different part than what they feel. It is when they begin to feel they are that part, not themselves, that it makes a big difference. They may say they love God, and they may say that they have understanding, but if they do not act in that way, then that is a graver problem, because it is not done in ignorance. It is the same as when you give to another because you believe it obligates the other to give back, then what you give is not gold, it is black and putrid. We wish you also to know that we do not have the need to be worshipped. Our need from you is to be loved.

[noxon medem]

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Tom: It is difficult in your physical world for you to truly understand the importance of both. I will try to explain in a manner in which you may understand. It would be similar to a giant scale. We are in the pivot of this giant scale. Visualize the Universe with the pivot being us. On one side of the Universe, visualize that all is negative, and all on the other side is positive. And as you see this, you know that there is a complete out-of-balance situation. It is difficult for us to explain this so that you may understand. Within each of the sides there are many ... I will explain it in earthly terms: As each of the galaxies and solar systems within the galaxies… first I must clarify: The Universe, with the Nine in the centre, has four sides, the side opposite that in which you exist and the other two are all in balance. Do you understand?
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Inspiring reading. Made me think of a short film
I seen some years ago. Found it and here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTesYaduBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTesYaduBA

Balance - Animation short film, released in 1989.
Directed and produced by Wolfgang and Christoph Lauenstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_%28film%29

A supplement to all the words.
This can illustrate many things,
from group dynamics to bigger issues.

Be well.

nm

[TOTHE]

billyji;

Their example of the Universe as three sides and keeping balance was hard for me to visualize. In my four years of meditation I have changed my personal interpretation to be a four sided tetrahedron. This fits me perfectly to construct the engine for the balance of consciousness of the universe. The sides are named: Unbalanced Negative, Balanced Negative, Balanced Positive and Unbalanced Positive. The Nine have said that the Negative entropic are one of the constructive forces of the Universe in Dolores Cannon’s most recent book.

In my trance state I use the Tetrahedron Solid to express myself as an entity. I usually position myself attached by silver cord between Earth and Venus and just hang out. This is to get away from the astral jabbering and EMR noise around Earth. I need peace and quite to soak up the DNA upgrade information contained in the radiation from the Sun and Deep Space. I think it works too and a lot of fun, I am darn healthy for my age.

Chapters 13 & 14 of Dolores Cannon’s The Three Waves of volunteers and The New Earth has a discussion with two reincarnated entities of the Council of Nine. You can get this book at Barnes & Nobel..it took the Wife two months to finish it, I just started reading it this week.

The Law of One Search Results for ‘council of nine’ the 24 Elders are mentioned too.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?q=council+of+nine&st=any&qo=&lh=aq&qc=0&s=&c=&fp=0&v=e&l=30&o=r

[Billy]

Four is correct TOTHE. Our universe and 3 others.
Quote from above post.

A New Direction.
I will explain it in earthly terms: As each of the galaxies and solar systems within the galaxies… first I must clarify: The Universe, with the Nine in the centre, has four sides, the side opposite that in which you exist and the other two are all in balance. Do you understand?


I think the Hindu, Celtic and Tibetan mandalas and American Indian Sand drawings represents the four Universes. Or the Four Directions.

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[Billy]

billyji;

The Law of One Search Results for ‘council of nine’ the 24 Elders are mentioned too.
http://lawofone.info/results.php?q=council+of+nine&st=any&qo=&lh=aq&qc=0&s=&c=&fp=0&v=e&l=30&o=r

Thank you. I did not know the 24 were mentioned in the Law of One. Excellent.

Quote:

Questioner: You mentioned the nine who sit on the Council. Is this “nine” the same nine as those mentioned in this book? (Questioner gestures to Uri.)

Ra: I am Ra. The Council of Nine has been retained in semi-undistorted form by two main sources, that known in your naming, as Mark and that known in your naming as Henry. In one case, the channel became the scribe. In the other, the channel was not the scribe. However, without the aid of the scribe, the energy would not have come to the channel.

39.9 Questioner: I see. “The Nine” describe themselves as the “nine principals of God.” Can you tell me what they mean by that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is also a veiled statement. The attempt is made to indicate that the nine who sit upon the Council are those representing the Creator, the One Creator, just as there may be nine witnesses in a courtroom testifying for one defendant. The term principal has this meaning also.

The desire of the scribe may be seen in much of this material to have affected the manner of its presentation just as the abilities and preferences of this group determine the nature of this contact. The difference lies in the fact that we are as we are. Thus we may either speak as we will or not speak at all. This demands a very tuned, shall we say, group.

7.9 Questioner: I have a question about that Council. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?

Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.

In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called the Guardians.

The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.

These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.

[Billy]

I am going to share more of our past and present situation concerning those that do not have the betterment of humanity within their agenda. And why intervention from outside is not an option. Intervention has to come from humanity.

Quote from Book.

STEVE: Much of it is but I am not very clear about how pollution would be caused by intervention...

Tom: Those lesser civilizations who have been viewing Planet Earth, who have made contacts with governments, and who are in portion in beings upon Planet Earth and are in this realm as well, would have warlike conflict with the Twenty-Four civilizations or those who work with them: therefore that would mean a destructive device in the atmosphere of Planet Earth. Humankind in its great fear would not have acknowledged or understood that there were those of goodness also.

JOHN: Because they would only see two groups...

Tom: Destruction

JOHN: .... destroying each other.

Tom: That is correct, and that would then create nightmarish pollution destructiveness of portions of Planet Earth. We must find another way of removing these others at this time.

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STEVE: They regarded the alien civilizations as the enemy.

Tom: Those that have been inter-playing, yes.

JOHN: So what you're saying is that the civilizations that have come to Earth, have not come and allowed themselves to be..... to interact willingly. It has been done with some tension and conflict for example in the United States?

Tom: That is not what we meant. Those that have been in contact with these governments, and with those vehicles which governments have got hold of: some of these incidents have been accidental, some have been intentional, but in giving they have attempted to ingratiate, and the 'biggies' have decided they must align, for they are not sure of the motives of these civilizations. Their motives are not in goodness, and they also have abductions.

JOHN: They have taken away, abducted some people.

Tom: That is correct. The 'biggies' of Planet Earth decided to align with each other so that they might keep a cohesive front.

JOHN: Yes, so basically what you're saying is that the Twenty-Four civilizations decided to stay away so as not to get mixed up with these other forces, either in people's minds, or in fact in a conflict.

Tom: That is correct.

JOHN: Yes, OK. Well so what next?

Tom: If they can influence the Crescent (the Islamic countries] - that is why the country of USA is attempting to change that situation - if they can activate the Crescent or cause irritation they then create a situation upon Planet Earth which is divisive. And the lesser civilizations then move into a position that may create more devastation. We of the Council of Nine, you must understand that we must function in a manner that does not bring fear of devastation. It is important for humankind to know that there are others who mean well for them and wish only to help the elevation of Planet Earth. We will not permit the destruction of Planet Earth, but humankind must begin to help itself and make decisions based on the survival of Planet Earth.

Note: This message was given 25yrs ago. We now witness this being played out.
I will move on to the good news as soon as we understand the gravity of the present situation.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Let us break the cycle and move forward.

Peace

[TOTHE]

billyji;
That section and the other chapters on Israel has haunted me for years. In December ‘09 and January ‘10 I was in Israel, a very good reason, two weeks for my Daughter’s wedding. I made a commitment to visit Jerusalem with the intent to make peace in my mind and the Nine. The exposed soil that I saw climbing up the escarpment in the # I Bus I had visions of very old bone fragments buried there.... I knew wherever I walked I was hearing distant echoes down through time, my sub-conscious must have had a field day because some impressions were of excitement & joy that I sensed. I was always grounded to the fact that the God/ Source was inside and that my physical eyes with my conscious mind impressions were the windows to the world for the God/ Source to experience. I was the one-eyed man in the land of the blind where the god is worshipped outside, just that I am not a king..I AM the observer.

My post on my gift to pick up “imprints” & me in Israel links to You-Tube.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24163-The-Ten-Commandments-of-the-Native-American-Indians&p=254592&viewfull=1#post254592

[Arrowwind]

Although i respect and embrace all religions, I also chose not to follow any set religion. We create our own belief systems. With 7 billion belief systems on the go in our world today ( even Atheist's have a belief system) I have wondered how on earth can humanities consciousness reach the critical mass for us to manifest peace in our world.

Maybe that is what we all have in common. The desire for peace along with the intention to manifest peace. Which in turn breaks down the divisions we have created.

Peace.

I have just come upon this thread and have read it starting at the beginning then moving to the end to the middle where I read this last post by you, Billji.

The answer rang so clear to me ... it is not critical mass with the intent of peace which is needed, What is needed is Love....the pure love that flows from our awakened DNA...

(1 Corinthians 13:1-13)

Thank you for this thread. I had read the Nine teachings, at least in part, long ago. It rang as true to me then and now. As I have always believed we are gods in training and our biggest lesson is to remember.

[lookbeyond]

Four is correct TOTHE. Our universe and 3 others.
Quote from above post.

A New Direction.
I will explain it in earthly terms: As each of the galaxies and solar systems within the galaxies… first I must clarify: The Universe, with the Nine in the centre, has four sides, the side opposite that in which you exist and the other two are all in balance. Do you understand?


I think the Hindu, Celtic and Tibetan mandalas and American Indian Sand drawings represents the four Universes. Or the Four Directions.

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[music]

Hierarchy? Hidden Hands? Asking of permission? Hmmm, misdirection and mind control if you ask me. There is no hierarchy except the hierarchy of ignorance of our true natures. We are all one, and we are all God. There is no council of elders to advise us, but there is plenty of counsel available to us that wishes to steer us into a neat little box where they can harvest the fruits of our labours. Wake up folks, wake up. We do not need advice, we do not need structure, we do not need anything except the realisation that we are perfect. The historical Christ, for example, was a human embodiment of the energy we call the Christ Consciousness. I have had a personal relationship with this energy since my first full vision at age 7. This energy is a feminine energy, but what does the human enforced structure of religion make of this energy? It masculinises it and makes it a part of the trinity of lies which denies the feminine principle (and so cuts us off from our power. There is no enclave of grey-bearded men who are going to do your work for you. The time to seek father (or mother) figures is gone. Self-empowerment, self realisation. Otherwise know as unity consciousness and Love. There is no love in organised religions or any type of hierarchical structure. Pyramids, pyramids, pyramids - from our governments, from our religions, from our work places, in our armies, in our families.

Reclaim your power.

Reclaim your self.

It's scarey, but hey, we can do it.

I love you all.

[Arrowwind]

Yes, reclaiming our power is essential..
but along the way there are guides and wayshowers.
Ive met a few in this lifetime.
Probably the first was my mother
when she taught me to put my food in my mouth
instead of my ear.
They are there if you are receptive and want to meet them
they do not appear as you think they might.
Into the highest reaches of expression
they are there.

I do not know absolutley if the NINE or the ELDERS are real.
But Ive always suspected that there are intelligences
way way beyond our own.
and those guides who served me
with patience and compassion
have shown me the reality of this
After all that is where I aspire to be
Where I have always aspired to be
sitting within the proverbial thown of consciousness
creating new realities
and
The lineages have always been known
by the students on their journey
One can view them as oppressors
like a resentful child
or as wayshowers
unfolding before us potential realites

I dont know what the hidden hands stuff is
but I do know the power of asking permission
to ask for permission is not a limiting construct
nor a subserviant groveling
is a format of consciousness that humbly acknowledges
that at long last you are ready
"ask and you shall receive
knock and it shall be opened"
in reality
the only entity you are really asking permission from
is yourself
When you ask the doors of creation can fling open
Until you really understand that
its like you are in daycare.
Being watched over so you dont run into the street
and get hit by a big truck
Our potectors are all around
Got a bad protector?
Ask your wayout of it
Ask yourself your own way out.



That there are 24 guys way up there on Jacobs ladder is no surprise to me
and 9 guys even above them
Its all within the realm of possibilities
Becasue they may exist is no reflection
on ones current bondage.
If you are in bondage
there is no fault but thine own
You have to earn your way out of it
through your own self revelation
Potential realities are mirrored to us
We choose what door we walk through

[Billy]

Hierarchy? Hidden Hands? Asking of permission? Hmmm, misdirection and mind control if you ask me. There is no hierarchy except the hierarchy of ignorance of our true natures. We are all one, and we are all God. There is no council of elders to advise us, but there is plenty of counsel available to us that wishes to steer us into a neat little box where they can harvest the fruits of our labours. Wake up folks, wake up. We do not need advice, we do not need structure, we do not need anything except the realisation that we are perfect. The historical Christ, for example, was a human embodiment of the energy we call the Christ Consciousness. I have had a personal relationship with this energy since my first full vision at age 7. This energy is a feminine energy, but what does the human enforced structure of religion make of this energy? It masculinises it and makes it a part of the trinity of lies which denies the feminine principle (and so cuts us off from our power. There is no enclave of grey-bearded men who are going to do your work for you. The time to seek father (or mother) figures is gone. Self-empowerment, self realisation. Otherwise know as unity consciousness and Love. There is no love in organised religions or any type of hierarchical structure. Pyramids, pyramids, pyramids - from our governments, from our religions, from our work places, in our armies, in our families.

Reclaim your power.

Reclaim your self.

It's scarey, but hey, we can do it.

I love you all.

Hi Music, If you had taken just a little time to study the OP and the rest of this thread. You would have noticed that we are mostly in agreement. Apart from the Elders, They exist, I have also had a very close relationship with the Christ since a child. Not through any religions or church. But very personal.

Again if you took the trouble to read, This thread and the information is about reclaiming you're power. Taking responsibility and taking action.

And i agree. It is a big call, But we can do it.

Peace be with you.

[Arrowwind]

So, Billyjii, is this the same NINE and Tom as communicated via Uri Geller? from a couple of different perspectives:

http://www.uri-geller.com/books/maverick/maver8.htm
http://www.uri-geller.com/nine.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/council-of-nine.htm

[lookbeyond]

Yes, reclaiming our power is essential..
but along the way there are guides and wayshowers.
Ive met a few in this lifetime.
Probably the first was my mother
when she taught me to put my food in my mouth
instead of my ear.
They are there if you are receptive and want to meet them
they do not appear as you think they might.
Into the highest reaches of expression
they are there.

I do not know absolutley if the NINE or the ELDERS are real.
But Ive always suspected that there are intelligences
way way beyond our own.
and those guides who served me
with patience and compassion
have shown me the reality of this
After all that is where I aspire to be
Where I have always aspired to be
sitting within the proverbial thown of consciousness
creating new realities
and
The lineages have always been known
by the students on their journey
One can view them as oppressors
like a resentful child
or as wayshowers
unfolding before us potential realites

I dont know what the hidden hands stuff is
but I do know the power of asking permission
to ask for permission is not a limiting construct
nor a subserviant groveling
is a format of consciousness that humbly acknowledges
that at long last you are ready
"ask and you shall receive
knock and it shall be opened"
in reality
the only entity you are really asking permission from
is yourself
When you ask the doors of creation can fling open
Until you really understand that
its like you are in daycare.
Being watched over so you dont run into the street
and get hit by a big truck
Our potectors are all around
Got a bad protector?
Ask your wayout of it
Ask yourself your own way out.



That there are 24 guys way up there on Jacobs ladder is no surprise to me
and 9 guys even above them
Its all within the realm of possibilities
Becasue they may exist is no reflection
on ones current bondage.
If you are in bondage
there is no fault but thine own
You have to earn your way out of it
through your own self revelation
Potential realities are mirrored to us
We choose what door we walk through

So beautifully put Arrowwind


lookbeyond

[music]

Hierarchy? Hidden Hands? Asking of permission? Hmmm, misdirection and mind control if you ask me. There is no hierarchy except the hierarchy of ignorance of our true natures. We are all one, and we are all God. There is no council of elders to advise us, but there is plenty of counsel available to us that wishes to steer us into a neat little box where they can harvest the fruits of our labours. Wake up folks, wake up. We do not need advice, we do not need structure, we do not need anything except the realisation that we are perfect. The historical Christ, for example, was a human embodiment of the energy we call the Christ Consciousness. I have had a personal relationship with this energy since my first full vision at age 7. This energy is a feminine energy, but what does the human enforced structure of religion make of this energy? It masculinises it and makes it a part of the trinity of lies which denies the feminine principle (and so cuts us off from our power. There is no enclave of grey-bearded men who are going to do your work for you. The time to seek father (or mother) figures is gone. Self-empowerment, self realisation. Otherwise know as unity consciousness and Love. There is no love in organised religions or any type of hierarchical structure. Pyramids, pyramids, pyramids - from our governments, from our religions, from our work places, in our armies, in our families.

Reclaim your power.

Reclaim your self.

It's scarey, but hey, we can do it.

I love you all.

Hi Music, If you had taken just a little time to study the OP and the rest of this thread. You would have noticed that we are mostly in agreement. Apart from the Elders, They exist, I have also had a very close relationship with the Christ since a child. Not through any religions or church. But very personal.

Again if you took the trouble to read, This thread and the information is about reclaiming you're power. Taking responsibility and taking action.

And i agree. It is a big call, But we can do it.

Peace be with you.

Excellent and aware reply, thank you. And thank you for taking the time to point out my error. I'm afraid it was one of those red-rag moments coupled with a lack of time. Please accept my apology, because it is sincere: sorry

[Billy]

So, Billyjii, is this the same NINE and Tom as communicated via Uri Geller? from a couple of different perspectives:

http://www.uri-geller.com/books/maverick/maver8.htm
http://www.uri-geller.com/nine.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/council-of-nine.htm

Hi Arrowwind. First, thank you for you're beautiful expression in you're previous post above.

Yes this is the same Nine. Concerning the links you provided. I say this one is genuine with little personal negative interpretations.http://www.uri-geller.com/books/maverick/maver8.htm

The other two links are both the same article. The writer did not resonate with me and his negative judgmental comments are nonsense. The racist comment comes from his own twisted interpretation. Tom does not say that the Black African race has no divinity within them. But that they are the purest humans here on earth.

Not like the white mongrels who arrived much later. gnashing their teeth and because of greed, power and control, destroyed the way of life of the ancient indigenous pure races around the planet. (My thoughts)

Yes there seemed to be an interest in the Nine from people like Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek. and other prominent people. I see no problem with this interest.

I found this quote in the article quite interesting.

Quote:
This should concern us, because many influential people attended The Nine’s Esalen seminars, including Russians who were part of the Institute’s Soviet Exchange programme. Some of these later rose to prominence in the Gorbachev regime and were instrumental in the downfall of Communism. (The Esalen Institute now runs the US branch of the Gorbachev Foundation.)
End Quote:

If the Nine had an influence in bringing down the Berlin Wall of Division. Good on them.

Peace

[Billy]

Excellent and aware reply, thank you. And thank you for taking the time to point out my error. I'm afraid it was one of those red-rag moments coupled with a lack of time. Please accept my apology, because it is sincere: sorry

No problem my friend.

Peace

[Billy]

Continuing with Tom describing the ongoing problem that humanity creates in this very dense physical world .The solution to the problem is " The Acceleration of Humanity's Consciousness" At this time. That will be my next post.


Tom: Yes. Much truth has been destroyed to keep the masses in control. People, organisations of government and religion do not suppress any manner of thing unless it is a threat to them, or unless it is truth. Is that not so?
This is the Others at work, since they understand the energies of all creation, and how to use it to make themselves look like God, in order to keep humankind in bondage.

JOHN: In these days of accelerating changes, it seems that on Earth there is a negative reaction against change as well as a positive movement. what is your assessment of this?

Tom: When there is movement in forwardness, all that has been wishes to remain as it was. That is an element within humankind: a portion of humankind has fear, not knowing the future, and also wishes not to give up the known factor. Therefore you have that aspect of negativity. You also have the aspect of negativity from those in power who wish to maintain control and manipulation over others. However, in our assessment it is a remnant that appears to be holding firm, and when its life is being threatened it maintains a stranglehold.

Tom: There is within you - which there is in all upon Planet Earth, in different degrees - an amount of negativity. Let us say that if you had a black spot of negativity on the all-white of purity, and then you permitted it to grow such that the white deteriorated, if you looked at the spot as being negativity within you, and accepted it, and permitted it to be dispersed with recognition, and if you thereby came to know your fears, this would be useful negativity. But if it grew out of proportion to your fear, then the Others are attempting to unbalance you.

If you are aware of this, remember this: you have a greater power, because you are in a physical existence, but also if you are consciously connected with us, you have an even greater power. When you come into knowledge, wisdom and truth, when all that is in the Universe is slowly beginning to be revealed, then those that desire to control Earth, in order to control the Universe, begin to create great difficulty for you. Coming into knowledge and truth does not make your path easier.

Remember this: to be in service is to pay for that service. For in truth, there are those that would like to remove your awareness and your knowledge. Respect them, do not laugh at them, but be firm in your faith, and they cannot deter you, nor harm you. If they create difficulty for you, then, with your mind, see yourself being swept from the ground to your head with our love, our light, and our joy in you. Do not hesitate to ask for help. Do not proudly do all by yourself. We cannot help if you do not ask.

We do not interfere in your free will. But even with all our love for those that are in service to us, and for the sake of all the souls upon Planet Earth, without your asking we cannot help. Be not as proud as Planet Earth has been, for much of its existence, acting independently and wishing to do so on its own. It is in togetherness that the planet Earth will come out of its bondage - togetherness with us, the civilizations in service and the souls in service upon Planet Earth.

JOHN: If people were left alone and there were no opposing forces, would they tend to do the right thing?

Tom: Yes. Humanity could overcome its own weaknesses, but these are exploited and increased by the opposing forces. There is temptation, greed and desire.

JOHN: How did this problem start in the first place, and how was it not checked earlier?

Tom: It happened because we were not aware of the problems that the physical would create, and we were unaware of the implications of feeling of heaviness and pleasure. We never interfere in free will, so we choose not to intervene, if possible, in what has developed.

We were not aware of this because this is the only planet in the Universe that has the physical qualities that create this problem. It does not have a sister planet nor a brother planet.

The problem is created within the soul of the individual. The planet is a dense planet, and it in turn then gives a different feeling to the body, but it is actually within the soul of the individual. It feels pain, it feels pleasure, it feels sorrow, it feels happiness.

The physical body has different feeling than in all the other planets and in all the other souls that exist. In other systems, other galaxies, there are other physical beings that do not have the density of this planet. Here the soul begins to feel in a different way from the way it felt before, and it has the feel of desire. It has pleasure and pain. Yet this has become very important for the evolutionary growth of the planet, because it was originally the planet of balance.

IRENE: It feels that things are moving quickly, [1989]. There is a balance being affected that those of us who live in the third dimension can't see. What's happening?

Tom: Do you understand the concept that if the awakening comes in its own time there is total destruction and if it comes with acceleration then there is salvation. You have begun the acceleration. It must continue. You also noticed that there is more fanaticism?

JOHN: Yeah.

Tom: That is slowly being dissipated. Yes. The most important thing is for it to be released, for in suppressing it, it grows more violent. Yes.

IRENE: But isn't it also true that as we move forward, the Others...

Tom: Are moving in forwardness towards you, yes.

IRENE: They an- attempting to do whatever they can to maintain the imbalance on their side. Fanaticism is one of the tools that they are using..

Tom: That is correct. We have been with you in your sorrows and despairs and agony. And we have also been with you in your joys and your laughs.
At times, in your conscious mind there were doubts that perhaps you would not be able to complete your task, nor benefit those you wish to benefit, nor sustain an emotion to help and serve.

We will explain one more thing necessary for your complete understanding. You have doubted yourself, you have doubted your ability and you have doubted that you have the power to accomplish what your soul prompts you to accomplish. From this moment we ask you to remove your doubts. You have the power and love and strength to prevent chaos, tragedy, and loss of life upon your planet - we mean this with all that we are, and we ask you to remove your doubt.


ANDREW: Thank you for that strong reassurance. We do live with doubts, questions, and it is based on the fact that we cannot see the results of our work. For example in our meditations we do everything we can to respond to the needs you describe, but at this moment we have no way of knowing whether we are indeed effective or not. And that is the basis of our doubts, I would say.

Tom: We understand, but there will come a time when even that doubt will be removed. But may we ask you to hold within your heart the faith that you hold in knowing us and knowing that this Universe is not operated by chance nor simply what many of the people on Planet Earth call 'Nature'. May we ask you to remove the doubt that you have with in you? Do you understand?

ANDREW: Yes. I understand, and I think it's a very pointed lesson.

End Quotes:


To be continued. Until next time.

Peace be with you.

[Arrowwind]

The above was written in 1989.

From my viewpoint of the world, fantatism has only increased in leaps and bounds since 1989, both on the maco and micro level. The year I watched the Berlin wall come down on TV was the time I periodically ducked bullets wizzing past my home in South Dallas, from 89 to 92 when we moved from there.

The fanatism of Hitler has only been replaced by the fanatcicsm of the secret operations of the US government, Corporations, pharmaceutical industries, etc, and the governement in and of itself.
which has caused the deaths of a million or more since this 1989 writing. 9/11 and the consequent unfoldment of events that even today are sounding the war drums for Syria as they are "known to have weapons of mass destruction" (Hilary Clinton Nov. 2012)....and Iran as well... sound familiar?.. just like Iraq.

Terrorism abounds from many fronts around the world. I consider Terrorism and Fanatism essentially the same in vibrational quality. Fanaticsm functions by scaring the proverbial sh^t out of people into compliance. Terrorism requires a high level of Fanaticsm to fuel the fires of terror and war.

Fanaticsm is also abounding in the minds of US citizens. It is clearly seen in the Churchs of our nation (as only one example)... a growing movement crying for Armageddon and the fullfillment of the Pat Robertson Bible scenario. Private money pours into Israel for this very reason. US is sending Israel 17 Billion this year. Israel continues with its tactic of terrorism on Palestine by building once again on West Bank, and by routinely incarcerating and kiling Palestinian peoples on their way to work in Jerusalem.

So far I do not see that fanatism is being dissappated. Nor do I see that the world is a safer place by any means since 1989, especially here in the USA regarding safety. Although there is more "security' implemented, there is less safety. The tendency for violence is much increased amongst its citizens compared to the 60's. I sense that blood bath demonsatrations may lie in our future, so unlike the antiwar protests of the 60's and 70's if and when the people decide to rise up against its oppressor.

1. What is the timeline for this dissapation of fanaticsm? Is this a direct inverse ratio to the raising of consciousness? or it is that as consciousness raises so does the opposing negative force until everything either implodes or explodes?


"IRENE: But isn't it also true that as we move forward, the Others...
Tom: Are moving in forwardness towards you, yes."

The above quote pretty much answers the question. The more we evolve the more conflict there will be as the Others endeavor to inflict more control with excellerating intensity as conscious people everywhere excellerate their intensity.


2. Who is currently channeling Tom these days? or information from the NINE?

[Arrowwind]

Since Andrija Puharich was so involved with the NINE one may be interested to see this thread I put up a few days ago, just as an aside, to further expand the understanding ofsome of the people involved with the NINE and the work that they do. I did not readily see the connection when I put the post up, but clearly do now.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52777-One-Step-Beyond-and-The-Sacred-Mushroom&p=594427#post594427

[Arrowwind]

To be continued. Until next time.

Peace be with you.

I am waiting ... although not so patiently. I am hoping that a time frame of opportunity opens for you and that you will be posting soon.

[Billy]

To be continued. Until next time.

Peace be with you.

I am waiting ... although not so patiently. I am hoping that a time frame of opportunity opens for you and that you will be posting soon.


Hi Arrowwind. You may have missed this comment i posted last week.


A New Direction.

Hi guys, I was house/pet sitting a week ago and had 24/7 internet connection, Which was great, but now i am limited again to visiting the post office for my connection.



I am sorry but i do not have an internet connection in my caravan where i live. I have to travel to the post office for a connection. Some work has also come my way. Which is great news. But by the time i finish work and travel home, The post office is closed in my small community.

Can i ask what it is you are waiting for??

Peace.

[Billy]

Continuing the chapter titled life on earth. After this chapter the topic will be . Accelerating Earth Evolution.

Chapter 7. Life on earth.

Tom: May we explain to you that your planet Earth is the most beautiful that exists in the Universe. It has a physical variety that no other planet has. In all the Universe there is no planet in existence that has the physical characteristics of Earth. It is the rarest of beauties, and it does attract souls which, once they have come, would continually like to come back again.

It is of a different nature from any other planet. It has within it portions of all planets in the Universe, it is like a composite of the Universe, with all the good and all the evil and it is what attracts souls. It has with it a gravitational pull that is different from other planets, and because of this a soul begins to feel - in truth - a physical body - they become in their minds adapted to their physical bodies, and they forget the freedom and pleasures they have without it.

The Earth was created to be a paradise. When souls achieve harmony it will become a paradise again. But when we say a paradise we speak of a paradise of creativity, one that brings knowledge, one that brings joy and love; a paradise in which people may heal themselves or may even experience pain, if they wish. It is not a paradise where all challenge, all growth, or all pain will be removed.

It will be a paradise where people, through their own experience, may evolve their own understanding of their connection with the Universe, accept their own responsibility for themselves, for their fellows, for Earth, and therefore for the Universe, and may bring all of that, including themselves, into perfection. Humankind needs to understand the uniqueness and purpose of Earth, and the directness that it has in its evolution. Humankind needs to understand that it is not alone and there is no death

What people must begin to understand is that there is no escaping, for in the future of their lives there must be payment. If they also knew that each of them has the quality of greatness in them, and that they have opportunity to be uplifted in joy, and that when there is acceptance of not being alone and of no death, then energies of fear may be released, and energies of joy may replace fear, then Earth may begin to fulfill its position in the Universe.
As well as Earth becoming the greatest of joy, we related before that Earth has the greatest of beauty.

When we say 'beauty' we mean that of the soul which then penetrates the external. Mankind has confused physical beauty as what is seen with the outer shell of the eye; not that of the inner soul of the planet or those that exist upon it. That is also what humanity must learn upon Earth.

JOHN: Could you explain what the purpose of physical existence is, particularly on this planet?

Tom: This your planet is a planet of balance, for you to learn to balance between the physical and spiritual worlds. Earth is the only one of its kind, the only planet of free choice in the entire Universe, the only planet created for the balancing of the spiritual with the physical, in other words, the creating of paradise.

Humanity has created corruption within, which came about because people became more involved in physicalness than in attempting to balance and understand. But now your planet is at a point where it may move out of balance quicker than at any other point. This time of history that you are in is the time of change. It is time for humanity to begin to understand this, to live on this planet of great beauty with a true balance of spiritual and physical, and to live in unity with the Creator, in manifestation of love, in connection with the Creator, in that which was created.

Tom: People in their innermost know, or have a feeling, that they are from something other than just themselves but people upon Earth have gone into competition with the Creator. We understand this, for people understand that there is a nature within them that all things, but they neglect to identify and know the Creator. They alone wish to be the Creator. It cannot be. The problem we have had before is that many times we have been to Earth: we have come to help, and it was expected of us to do what we cannot do, what this planet must do for itself. You are a part of this planet because you chose it in order to help it.

JOHN: I really want to say, speaking for myself, that I do really accept the responsibility that we have to do things for ourselves. It's just that we get a lot of complications and difficulties in living on Planet Earth.

Tom: In your world things are very simple, but people make them very complicated. If you approach things in a simple manner, many things can be overcome and accomplished with a great deal of acceleration, and with not too much use of energy. The worry and the concern burns up more energy than the activity of dealing with the problem.

ANDREW: So here we are on Earth, just a tiny speck of dust in this infinite, vast Universe. Could you tell us why you've taken any interest at all in this little speck of dust here called the Earth?

Tom: In order for the Universe to evolve, it is important for Earth to evolve. The souls that have come to this planet have become irresponsible in their physical bodies. It has become a planet of desire. The souls that are here behave as if they were in quicksand and were being gobbled up and swallowed in this desire. It is important for you to evolve, because without this planet being evolved, the other planets in the Universe are not able to go forward. It has stopped the growth of the Universe.

It is important for the level of consciousness of this planet to be raised. It is the love from this planet that generates the energy that feeds God. And this planet has stopped the growth of part of the Universe, instead of evolving in the manner it should, to become one with the Divine. I will explain one step further: many of these souls that live here, when they die, are trapped in the atmosphere of the planet, and then they are reborn over and over on the same world, and they seem to be going nowhere.

This planet originally was created to teach balance between the spiritual and the physical world. But in this physical world they got involved in materialism, and so these beings never evolve beyond the belt of this planet. Their desires are still in their minds and emotions, and their desires hold them to this planet, and so you have a multiplication that is going on until this planet will sink.


ANDREW: Is that why we have so many souls piled up on this planet they just can't get beyond it?

Tom: They cannot get beyond it because of desire, greed, hate, because of enjoying their physical pleasures. And we have no objections about their physical activities on this planet: it is when this becomes their primary concern, and they are no longer concerned with evolving the planet, their fellow humans, or finding their divinity. You explained this when we listened to you the other day when you called it a 'bottleneck'. We just consulted and decided that if we looked in a bottle, and if there were a plug, and we could not get it out, that's exactly what this planet is. Your description was correct.

ANDREW: Thank you. Could you explain why it is so important that a few humble beings like ourselves, who are all very simple creatures, or others like us, can really help to unplug this bottleneck?

Tom: The energy that surrounds you creates a vortex that then radiates out, and then can raise the consciousness of this planet. Even though you feel it is an impossible task, it is not an impossible task. You people chose this situation, you willingly gave yourselves to come back unto this dense, heavy Earth.

People like you have reincarnated on this planet many times, often not because it was necessary, but because you needed to understand and to get the feel of this planet, in order to raise its level of consciousness. With this energy, it creates a vortex of love and peace and harmony, and others will gravitate towards you, so that you may explain to them to help raise the level. Everything needs an energy base. We are energy, and through people like you this planet will be saved. We work through people.

That which was planned for the planet Earth did not come to pass. While it was discovered that, of all the planets in the Universe, it has more beauty, more diversification of changes than any other, it was also discovered that those that lived upon Earth had a great physicalness that was not witnessed on the other planets.

JOHN: I am a little confused as to where the physicalness came from.

Tom: From the gravity and the heaviness and the density of the Planet, and the senses through which you have the feeling of Earth. These do not exist on other inhabited planets. Souls on Earth began to feel that they had a substance they did not feel on other planets. You understand your forms of breeding?

JOHN: Sex, you mean?

Tom: Sex in the beginning was a form for breeding, and also it was given sensations within the physical body to make it more joyous. But it began to become a priority over the years, and the beginning of control of one human by another. That form of control does not exist on other planets. This heightened the intensity of desire within the subconscious and in the minds of souls that reincarnated on planet Earth. Desire of this kind is not in existence on other planets – it is therefore of great importance that Planet Earth moves into balance.

There is no objection in the Universe for this method of breeding, for that was a decision that this was the way that the planet Earth would re-populate itself. What was an objection is that it became the source of all priorities, and that it came to control all the souls. For if you look upon all those that exist upon Planet Earth, it is the one source that creates much of the difficulty, is it not?

End Quotes.

Peace be with you.

[Arrowwind]

I am sorry but i do not have an internet connection in my caravan where i live. I have to travel to the post office for a connection. Some work has also come my way. Which is great news. But by the time i finish work and travel home, The post office is closed in my small community.

Can i ask what it is you are waiting for??

Peace.

I am wondering who is channeling Tom or the NINE these days... and then also to read more of these channelings.
Also, can you tell us about any connection of the NINE to the Alice Bailey materials?

[Billy]

I am wondering who is channeling Tom or the NINE these days... and then also to read more of these channelings.
Also, can you tell us about any connection of the NINE to the Alice Bailey materials?



Hi Arrowwind. I would say these days, everybody and their cats :tongue1: say that they are communicating with the Council of Nine. Council of 7, 6, 12, The whitewinged council of 9. And on it goes, Personally i say the older the fiddle, The sweeter the tune. Otherwise it becomes complicated, I have read some of Alice Bailey works with the Tibetan. I enjoyed what i read but i did not connect Alice with Phyllis.

I came to know of the nine through my passion to know and understand " Who the 24 Elders" were mentioned in Revelations, And from my personal experiences and research, When "The only planet of choice" came my way in 2005. What i read, complimented the knowledge i had already gained. As I mention in the OP of this thread.

I think you're new thread here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52777-One-Step-Beyond-and-The-Sacred-Mushroom&p=594427#post594427 Researching the life of Andrija Puharich would be very interesting.

Peace

[Billy]

It is the weekend, so i have some time to continue with Tom expressing the difficult process that humans have blending the spiritual with the physical.

JOHN: I gather that this was the single planet in which you had this kind of difficulty?

Tom: Yes. This is the only planet that has created a bottleneck. The souls that live on Planet Earth, in their soul-recycling and reincarnations, refuse to leave Planet Earth. Each of the planets upon which they exist or on which they have a birth is for some form of teaching that they do not further themselves. There is temptation, there is greed and there is desire.

JOHN: How did this problem start in the first place, and how was it not checked earlier?

Tom: It happened because we were not aware of the problems that the physical would create, and the feeling of heaviness and of pleasure. This is the only planet in the Universe that has the physical qualifications that create this problem. It does not have a sister planet, nor a brother planet.

JOHN: It is the most dense of inhabited planets in the Universe?

Tom: Yes.

ANDREW: I would think there was this desire and pleasure problem, it could all be traced to the role of say one atomic element, like sodium for example, or something like that. Have you traced it down to something like that?

Tom: I will consult… I have been informed that the problem is created within the soul of the individual. Earth is a dense planet, and it in turn then gives a different felling to the body – but it is actually within the soul of the individual.

ANDREW: So you are saying then that the dense material can really
influence the soul that much? I didn’t think it was possible.

Tom: It feels pain, it feels pleasure, it feels sorrow, it feels happiness. The physical body has a different feeling on Earth than in all of the other planets, and in all the other souls that exist. In other systems, in other galaxies, there are other physical beings that do not have the density of you on Earth. On your planet the soul begins to feel different from what it felt before, and it has the feel of pleasure and desire.

On another occasion, in reply to the same line of questioning, the Nine gave the following example:

ANDREW: Why do souls get stuck on Planet Earth?

Tom: The stuckness is brought about by gravity density and the illusion that the gravity density is reality. The stuckness is emotional: it derives from the inability to remove self from self in the gravitational density. When you remove self from self it creates an unblocking so the emotional gravitational density may be relieved, and the true reality may be viewed. This planet was created to be the paradise and in order for Earth to have all its variety it was necessary to make of it a gravitational density.

ANDREW: Are you saying that for our growth, for our evolution, that gravity is one of the things we must come to terms with, and hopefully conquer it?

Tom: What is important is to balance yourself. It is the merging of the physical with the spiritual that is the manifest purpose of humankind. But humankind has confused itself by remaining in its density and not correctly viewing the nature of its spiritual self.

It is misinterpreted and misguided by some of the religious leaders of your world, who attempt to control humankind – and the religions that would wish to deny the physical are not in balance, as also are those of the physical who wish to deny the spiritual.

For some souls, their choosing to be born in this time was not in the evolutionary process of growth for themselves, but in service to this Planet, to bring about the importance of understanding Earth's place in the Universe and of the human beings upon it. There are many who have come to Earth at this time, who chose to come here for the necessity of the Universe, to help, yes.

ANDREW: As we understand from our scientific point of view, is the relationship between gravity as a force and mind as a force where the balance is supposed to occur?

Tom: When you accept, understand in totality, with complete trust and faith in self, in your connections with the Universe, then you bring about the balance and are no longer in bondage. Through the mental process of mind. If you disconnect the mind from what it is holding on to, it will be free. This disconnecting can go by stages, so that you can develop trust and faith in your ability to maintain your inner connection with the Universe. Then you will be free. When the critical mass begins in humankind, when enough of your souls are becoming free, then the space vehicle of Earth moves into its evolutionary fulfillment.

ANDREW: How close are we to that kind of evolutionary time process?

Tom: Know this, that with acceleration due to each human's involvement, it will come quickly and will not be in devastation, as it would be if such acceleration came by itself, by force of circumstance, without your involvement.

ANDREW: That's beautiful.

Tom: You understand, when there is a change that is coming upon Earth, and when there is a loosening up of confinement, that which confines attempts desperately to confine even more?

JOHN: Yes.

Tom: Know this: you all have come to Earth to beautify it, to purify it, to love it and to be in joy with it. Know this: that in your time, through your and others' dedication, through the quality of your being upon Planet Earth, you may bring it to the fulfillment of its creation. That for us is a great joy and we thank you.

The cosmic aspect of this drama is to save Earth in which many souls are trapped. Without the saving of this planet neither we, nor you, know how many thousands or hundreds of thousands of your years, that this planet will then be in a stagnant state. We do not truly know the results of what will happen to the souls of those that are trapped. You understand a sickness, a disease, can spread if it not controlled?

ANDREW: Yes.

Tom: Do you understand that if this not controlled and is not handled properly, that this may then contaminate the rest of the Universe? Are you aware of that potential?

ANDREW. Well, from what you tell us, yes. We don't know from our own experience of course.

Tom: Do you also know that if the entire Universe was contaminated and if the contamination manifested - all that is good, all that is love would be destroyed - are you aware of this?

ANDREW: No, we were not aware of this.

Tom: Because if this contamination should spread from this small physical planet Earth to the rest of the Universe, then all the souls will live in fear and hate, with no hope, in darkness. And there may not be many of us then that can take care of the situation, if it develops to that point.

IRENE: One of the questions that I wanted to ask had to do with this notion of human suffering, and how it came about. I understand that when humans first walked in innocence, there was probably no human suffering. How did it come about, what has its purpose been? Is its purpose tied to the fear that man has of evolving? Why does it exist?

Tom: First know this: Earth is the only planet in the entire Universe of choice. Humankind first walked with the gods, and you know the story of the temptation of the tree of life: they were tempted to experience the joy of unity with the oneness of creation. Then the Creator said 'That is forbidden to you.' Nevertheless permitted the choice to be made if humankind so chose. They did that choosing.

From that day forward, it is not the Creator that has punished, but humankind has punished itself, for they touched in truth the knowledge of who they were, and it frightened them, for they knew that they were not in the state to comprehend completely. It became necessary then to populate Earth, so that all the cells of the Creator could become individuals and free souls, in order for them to become one in unity and harmony by choice.

Therefore also Earth is the only planet of conscience, and people chose to feel the emotion of sadness that they had destroyed that trust that was placed in them, and they began then to sacrifice self and their children. It is time to end this farce of sacrifice, for that is what it is, it keeps them in bondage. Release humankind!

IRENE: So some religious leaders then exploited this guilt?

Tom: Exactly. They exploited, for it was a means of holding people in bondage. Listen carefully: when there is one who understands the energies of all the created and how they may utilize those energies to make themselves a god, then they keep people in bondage.

End of my selected text from chapter 7. "Life on earth" Next Chapter 8. Accelerating Earth Evolution


Peace

[Billy]

Chapter 8. Accelerating Earth Evolution

The first part of this chapter addresses specific issues and then when Irene joins in the discussions take a philosophical turn, as she explores with Tom, various ideas and attitudes. The chapter lives up to its title, it feels as if it is speeding up....

JOHN: I think the most important question to people on Earth at this time is, what can they as individuals do, and how can they as individuals make things different, so that our planet fulfils its destiny?

Tom: First and foremost they must recognize that each of them contains the entire universe within themselves. Each of them contains all creation. Therefore when they understand that, then hopefully they will understand that if they go against their own integrity, the integrity of the Universe may be affected.

They must consult within themselves for their motive in all actions; they must learn to love themselves, and the only way they may love themselves is never to do what they will dislike themselves for. What is important is that each person upon this planet earth must understand that there is existence elsewhere.

They must understand that they hold the key to the evolutionary process in the Universe. It is a time of awakening. It is a time to understand that within the self they hold the key for bringing Earth to its fulfillment and that free will is never interfered with; the destruction of Planet Earth is not necessary. This must be understood clearly, for the free will of humankind can bring fulfilment to Earth.

JOHN: Many have talked of a coming transformation, and it seems we are approaching this time. Can you say anything about such a transformation and what that means?

Tom: It is true that Earth is on the threshold of transformation. It is on the threshold of releasing souls and beings from bondage, so they may continue to elevate, and purify Earth so the Universe may continue its path.
It is a glorious time right now to live on your planet in physical form. Know always that this energy of individuals will remain individual, but what will be understood is the power of thought, the energy of love, the power that humans hold within themselves to make your world a representation of the Universe. Your world is a glorious place for all portions of the Universe to exist, and to fulfill, and to be at one with creation, in great joy.

JOHN: If you had one message that you wished to pass to all of mankind, what would that message be?

Tom: Know fully that you hold the key within yourself, each of you humans, to bring about change. It is your responsibility, your free will, your choice.

Peace

[Billy]

Tom: A few sources know all of the picture, and many know parts of it. But be careful when they make you glorious: always challenge, look for consistency, and never accept that that goes against your natural inclination or your higher intuitive self.

Be careful they do not feed your ego in order to manipulate you, for there are also those who would wish the destruction of Planet Earth. Do not fall into the trap that Planet Earth will be destroyed.
In your world there are many that speak, many that bring forth information: we bring forth to you information that has not been brought forth in time past, and it is the next step of forward evolutionary movement.

It is important for the peoples upon Planet Earth to understand they are not alone, and that they carry within them the coding that can evolve Planet Earth to achieve its proper purpose Remember this: those who seek to control are in high profile in the front of society and lead people in a direction that helps them evade their own responsibility. But bear in mind that acceleration is now absolutely important. We have come to the beginning of acceleration of evolutionary forwardness of Planet Earth.

There is a great necessity to accelerate, for the oceans of Planet Earth, the trees and forests, the skies and atmospheres, the very essence of breathing, the life-force, have reached a level of contamination bringing the downward destruction of Earth. We call upon your energies and commitment for alerting the peoples of this planet, the governments of Earth and the communities of Earth. The innermost core of humankind is beginning to grow and to glow. The essence and understanding of their beginnings is awakening, to bring about change.

You are part of that change. You are children of that change, you are responsible for that change. Without your commitment to acceleration, if the change were to come in its own time, without your input, then the planet would be in a situation in which most of humankind could not exist. Accept your ability to create the pattern that brings about understanding and the truth of who you are.

Earth was created to be the paradise of all paradise in its perfection. It is time for forgiveness, forgiveness of self: for humankind to understand that to maintain fear and dissension is to maintain annihilation. Humankind has begun the process of annihilation. Yet there is a great future for the fulfillment of the destiny of Earth.

Accept that you have a part to play in bringing it to fulfillment. You have no limitation. Your limits and boundaries are created only by your fears. This does not mean that you should climb a thousand meter mountain and then plunge off it. It means that you must have practical application of understanding of yourself, in truth. It means that you must begin to extend yourself in the capacities of your mind and thoughts.

Your physical bodies have limitations upon this physical planet, but your minds and thoughts can expand and grow, touch all corners of the Universe. And when it understands the truth of self, it can relieve the burdens of this physical world that have held it in bondage. You humans are a kaleidoscope, and will appear at times confused - yet with one turn you can become elements of beauty and purity, and with that you may travel the spheres of the Universe.


(Given in 1978)

ANDREW: You used an interesting phrase earlier, that "time is accelerating". What's the real meaning of the acceleration of time?

Tom: If this planet were to pursue its course in the way it is doing, without acceleration, then you know that that would bring destruction

ANDREW: Yes.

Tom: What is now accelerating, due to the meditations humans have done on this planet Earth, is the beginning of the acceleration of time, which then creates the situation that Earth becomes a lightspace vehicle, and humankind will become suddenly aware. It will be similar to the 'hundredth monkey effect' beginning. So if you now begin to understand the power of meditations in small groups such as yours, you can change the world.

And in 1989 this question was asked, concerning famine:

ANDREW: One of the things I observe is that there is more and more hunger on this planet, and riots because of the shortage of food and high prices. What can little people like us do in that particular area?

Tom: It is not necessary for anyone upon this planet to die from lack of nourishment. It is only because of ignorance, or because of the governments of the world attempting to control others. We will not permit the extinction of any groups of humans. You understand? But you must now incorporate it in your meditations - through meditation you may prevent the destruction.

End Quote:

Have A blessed Solstice everyone. This is a time when the Light shines longer and brighter.

Shine on and Peace be with you all.

[AwakeInADream]

It's a good job we didn't all buy into that MSM Hollywood disaster movie version of 2012.
It's because we had our eyes open and saw the Solstice and the Mayan thing as a beneficial event in consciousness that everything turned out beautifully.
Everyone who has tried to prepare themselves spiritually for this event has benefited greatly from the journey.

The MSM has failed in their attempt to twist our beliefs and perceptions into creating a lower version of reality.
Look where we are now. Anything is possible!

I've always believed in the power of Group Meditation and how reality is shaped by everyone's thoughts and beliefs.
Like Jesus said we can move mountains!

I think it would be cool if some of us got together and agreed to make something wonderful happen in this way.
It's just a question of 'what should we create?'

[Lifebringer]

All the prophets of this 26,000 year cycle that have been inspired by God to lead or guide the people. There are martyrs and prophets who died in the line of service to God.

At least that's what I'm told by my guide. He hasn't been wrong yet.

[AwakeInADream]

I've found the number 24 in Hinduism too in the 'Gayatri Mantra' and it's effects on the 24 centers (Chakras?) of the body:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3uBAMGIKS9E/T5Qf0DZDBbI/AAAAAAAABwg/YfUC1aLzhTY/s1600/Effect+of+Gayatri+Mantra+on+the+body.jpg

[Billy]

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Tom: It is difficult in your physical world for you to truly understand the importance of both. I will try to explain in a manner in which you may understand. It would be similar to a giant scale. We are in the pivot of this giant scale. Visualize the Universe with the pivot being us. On one side of the Universe, visualize that all is negative, and all on the other side is positive. And as you see this, you know that there is a complete out-of-balance situation. It is difficult for us to explain this so that you may understand. Within each of the sides there are many ... I will explain it in earthly terms: As each of the galaxies and solar systems within the galaxies… first I must clarify: The Universe, with the Nine in the centre, has four sides, the side opposite that in which you exist and the other two are all in balance. Do you understand?
...


Inspiring reading. Made me think of a short film
I seen some years ago. Found it and here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTesYaduBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CTesYaduBA

Balance - Animation short film, released in 1989.
Directed and produced by Wolfgang and Christoph Lauenstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_%28film%29

A supplement to all the words.
This can illustrate many things,
from group dynamics to bigger issues.

Be well.

nm

Thank you for you're post NM. I enjoyed the short video.
To me this is the history of humanity presented in silence in under 8mins.

Quote: from video description

Balance is a German animated film, released in 1989. It was directed and produced by twin brothers Wolfgang and Christoph Lauenstein.

The film depicts five individuals living on a small platform floating in space. Whenever one of them moves, the others must do so as well to ensure that the platform does not tip over. The group works cooperatively to maintain a "balance" until one individual pulls a box onto the platform. Since all are curious as to what the box is, the individuals try to inspect the box and their actions disrupt the balance of the platform, and those on it. All but one of the individuals is pushed or falls off the edges of the platform. In the end, the lone individual must maintain a balance with the box, which is well out of reach.

Balance' won the Academy Award for Best Animated Short of 1989.


peace

[Billy]

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I've found the number 24 in Hinduism too in the 'Gayatri Mantra' and it's effects on the 24 centers (Chakras?) of the body:

Thank you Awake. Yes the number 24 is significant in Hinduism.
The 24 principles of creation. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/24principles.asp

The 24 Gurus of Dattatreya http://www.hindu-blog.com/2009/12/guru-sri-dattatreya-teachings-twenty.html

Dattatreya: I have 24 gurus.

King: Twenty-four gurus at such a tender age? Who are they?

Dattatreya: Mother earth is my first guru. She taught me to hold those who trample me, scratch me, and hurt me lovingly in my heart, just as she does. She taught me to give them my best, remembering that their acts are normal and natural from their standpoint.

peace

[araucaria]

@billyjl: I am extremely wary when I read things like 'the earth is the most (whatever) planet in the universe'. It can be a pretty special place without being anywhere near that special. And why would we need other places to be less special anyway? It reminds me of the 'greatest of all time' debates you get in sport - frankly pretty meaningless. I'd appreicate any thoughts on that.

[AwakeInADream]

@billyjl: I am extremely wary when I read things like 'the earth is the most (whatever) planet in the universe'. It can be a pretty special place without being anywhere near that special. And why would we need other places to be less special anyway? It reminds me of the 'greatest of all time' debates you get in sport - frankly pretty meaningless. I'd appreicate any thoughts on that.

I've heard it said by many that this is both the greatest and yet most difficult planet to incarnate on,
which is like saying that Earth is at the centre of the Universe (something we should have grown out of by now).

I agree with Araucaria, why is Earth so special?

I feel that some of these channeled messages might be a little over coloured by ego in this respect.
I mean this is a great planet, but I really hope that this isn't as good as it gets.

Edit: Thank's for those great links BillyJ!:)

Has anyone ever thought (like I have), that Krishna and Christos
may have been the same being, just different incarnations?
Maybe the Buddha too?

Just something I wonder about sometimes...

Edit2: I forgot to say Merry Christmas Everyone!:cheers:

[Billy]

@billyjl: I am extremely wary when I read things like 'the earth is the most (whatever) planet in the universe'. It can be a pretty special place without being anywhere near that special. And why would we need other places to be less special anyway? It reminds me of the 'greatest of all time' debates you get in sport - frankly pretty meaningless. I'd appreicate any thoughts on that.

The quote i think you refer to is " Only planet of it's kind" I do not think that being one of a kind makes it any more "Special" than any other planet. You personally are uniquely one of a kind but are no more special than the person you pass in the street. Therefore none are more or less special than the other. Only uniquely individual. like yourself. like this planet as with all universal beings and all planets in the universe.

what makes our earth one of a kind compared with other worlds, is the physical density and the effect that has on the souls that incarnate on this planet of choice. Humans find it difficult to merge their spiritual being within the density of the physical being. Plus not remembering who they are exaggerates the illusion that the physical is the only reality that exists.

see post 121 at top of this page for more.


Peace

[Billy]

I agree with Araucaria, why is Earth so special?

Answered above.



I mean this is a great planet, but I really hope that this isn't as good as it gets.


No way Brother. This is just the beginning. We cannot comprehend how good it can get. But we have lots of work to do first.


Edit: Thank's for those great links BillyJ!:)


Has anyone ever thought (like I have), that Krishna and Christos
may have been the same being, just different incarnations?
Maybe the Buddha too?

Just something I wonder about sometimes...

Yes when the time comes we will be surprised how many of the enlightened beings that have incarnated on earth are all one and the same.


Edit2: I forgot to say Merry Christmas Everyone!:cheers:

Merry Christmas returned. May the light shine through you to all corners of the universe.

Peace

[PurpleLama]

I would say these days, everybody and their cats say that they are communicating with the Council of Nine.

I have nine cats. Uh--oh.

[Billy]

I would say these days, everybody and their cats say that they are communicating with the Council of Nine.

I have nine cats. Uh--oh.

Nine cats, how cool, Is one a TOM :laugh:

[araucaria]

"Earth is the only planet in the entire Universe of choice" remains an extraordinary claim in a universe measuring at least trillions of cubic light years. It is a variant on the idea that we are alone in the universe.

I accept that the probabilty of anyone or anything existing is vanishingly small and yet we are here. I am unique of course, but I am not the only human with ten fingers or whatever. Choice is simply the outcome of a finite view of infinity and should be, not necessarily as common as finite systems, but pretty common all the same, and certainly not a one-off.

I am also unhappy reading the phrase "hundredth monkey" in something purportedly dating from 1978. It predates general availiability of the term in the literature. Wikipedia: "The story of the hundredth monkey effect was published in Lyall Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson)'s foreword to Lawrence Blair's Rhythms of Vision in 1975,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect#cite_note-2) and spread with the appearance of Watson's 1979 book Lifetide."

[modwiz]

"Earth is the only planet in the entire Universe of choice" remains an extraordinary claim in a universe measuring at least trillions of cubic light years. It is a variant on the idea that we are alone in the universe.

I accept that the probabilty of anyone or anything existing is vanishingly small and yet we are here. I am unique of course, but I am not the only human with ten fingers or whatever. Choice is simply the outcome of a finite view of infinity and should be, not necessarily as common as finite systems, but pretty common all the same, and certainly not a one-off.

I am also unhappy reading the phrase "hundredth monkey" in something purportedly dating from 1978. It predates general availiability of the term in the literature. Wikipedia: "The story of the hundredth monkey effect was published in Lyall Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson)'s foreword to Lawrence Blair's Rhythms of Vision in 1975,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect#cite_note-2) and spread with the appearance of Watson's 1979 book Lifetide."

The many cliches are getting boring. If someone wants my attention they will have to try harder than that!

Hearing the phrase "fiscal cliff" make me want to hurl the user off of a real one while telling them their father stank of elderberries. LOL.

[modwiz]

I agree with Araucaria, why is Earth so special?

Edit2: I forgot to say Merry Christmas Everyone!:cheers:

Earth is special in a Special Olympics kind of way. The way George W Bush was 'special'. :pound:

[AwakeInADream]

The way George W Bush was 'special'. :pound:

LOL literally!http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/laugh3-smiley.gif?1292867631

[Billy]

"Earth is the only planet in the entire Universe of choice" remains an extraordinary claim in a universe measuring at least trillions of cubic light years. It is a variant on the idea that we are alone in the universe.



I accept that the probabilty of anyone or anything existing is vanishingly small and yet we are here. I am unique of course, but I am not the only human with ten fingers or whatever. Choice is simply the outcome of a finite view of infinity and should be, not necessarily as common as finite systems, but pretty common all the same, and certainly not a one-off.

araucaria it appears that you have not read the OP and previous comments in depth. The title of the thread itself refers to the 24 universal civilizations that exist. This thread states clearly many times that we are not alone in the universe.

Like i said earlier. There are many other planets that have civilizations but they do not have the density and free will of choice to choose a negative or positive outcome. Noting that a positive outcome can only manifest by balancing both negative and positive.




It is important for the peoples upon Planet Earth to understand they are not alone, and that they carry within them the coding that can evolve Planet Earth to achieve its proper purpose.



I am also unhappy reading the phrase "hundredth monkey" in something purportedly dating from 1978. It predates general availiability of the term in the literature. Wikipedia: "The story of the hundredth monkey effect was published in Lyall Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall_Watson)'s foreword to Lawrence Blair's Rhythms of Vision in 1975,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect#cite_note-2) and spread with the appearance of Watson's 1979 book Lifetide."

1. The hundreth monkey experiment began in 1952.

2. Ken Keyes was inspired by the story of the hundredth monkey from a writing by Rupert Sheldrake. On his idea of morphic resonance.

3. The transmissions of the only planet of choice began in 1972 and ended more than 20yrs later in the early 1990's. the book was published in 1993.

4. later Palden Jenkings created Hundredth Monkey Project.
http://www.palden.co.uk/m100/ma-hist1.html

How it all started

M100 was conceived and created by Palden Jenkins in 1994-95. Many friends and associates with skills and experience from earlier ventures joined in to make a formidable volunteer team. The main annual retreat, a week-long camp, is complex to run, and this rolling team has done it so well that the camps have looked deceptively easy to run!

Palden is a writer, book- and website-editor, educationalist, historian and social inventor. He founded the Glastonbury Gatherings in 1983 and the OakDragon Camps in 1987, both of which were precursors to this project.

In the early 90s he compiled the noted book The Only Planet of Choice (1st edn, 1993) for the Council of Nine - a sourcebook for the project. His ideas on world healing are outlined extensively in Healing the Hurts of Nations, published free.

He's a 1960s veteran. The impetus for the M100 project began when he was involved in student politics at the LSE. He realised that social change could not occur fruitfully without a fundamental inner change in humanity, and thus he set out on a path of transformation during the 1970s. This led him to the mountains of Wales, to death's door, to the feet of Tibetan Lamas and to the forests of Sweden.

After a time of tragedy, he settled in Glastonbury in 1980, soon to start the Glastonbury Gatherings, which grew into the Glastonbury Camps. These were the seed-point from which grew many different organisations and new community and spiritual activities continuing to this day. The OakDragon Camps, started in 1987, represented a second generation of consciousness-raising camps.


Palden's involvement with the Council of Nine confirmed and added to his understanding of the state of the world and what he had to do. At one point, when talking to the Nine, they said that they needed more people to work with them by practicing meditation to heal the world,

Palden made an inner promise to use his abilities to pull people together into larger groups to do this. By 1994, drawing on the experience of the camps of the 1980s, he set the Hundredth Monkey process into motion, calling on old friends and new. The first M100 event took place near Malvern in England, attended by 150 people, lasting a week.
End Quote:

Before asking any more questions please read the thread as most of the answers to you're questions are already here.

peace

[araucaria]

@billyjl, please do not take my remarks as spoken in ignorance without reading your thread. My issue stands: what you call the universe is at best our galactic backyard, and I feel uncomfortable enough with that kind of confusion to withdraw from this discussion without further ado.
Peace to you

[Billy]

@billyjl, please do not take my remarks as spoken in ignorance without reading your thread.

Thank you, I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort.




My issue stands: what you call the universe is at best our galactic backyard, and I feel uncomfortable enough with that kind of confusion to withdraw from this discussion without further ado.
Peace to you

Understanding you have withdrawn from the discussion, not only our back yard but all of the created universes. and after humanity has lifted the blockage within themselves to expand. also those universes that have yet to be created. as explained in the thread.

I would like to have understood what brings confusion to you.

peace be with you

[TOTHE]

New perspective on quantum physics and metaphysics. Five hours of workshop videos. Watch out about the “illusion”, the way it can be misinterpreted and confuse personal relationships if taken out of context to become a “belief” instead of a “perception”.
http://www.holographicuniverseworkshops.com/

Now for the Lords Prayer: original 2,000 year old translation is a lesson in quantum physics, metaphysics and spiced with spirituality to show a perception. In the source link below you will see the evolution (distortion?) of the Lords Prayer through the centuries to reflect a belief system expression in violation from the original simple expression of perception. You can hear the faint echo down through the centuries of the wisdom of the Elohim.

The Prayer To Our Father
(translated into first century Aramaic)

Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna
daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma)
like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)


Source:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/lords_prayer.htm


Offical website of Bruce Fraser MacDonald, PhD.
http://www.thomastwin.com/Index.html

Research into A Course in Miracles (ACIM) which in itself is a belief system of an illusion universe and explains the danger.
http://www.thomastwin.com/26%20A%20Renard%20email%20reactions.html

[AwakeInADream]

I've just made a rather strange observation with regards to 'The Only Planet of Choice',
which I've just got around to start reading from the beginning.

I had a sudden impulse to check out the numerological value for the name 'Tom' (A=1 to Z=26), and I got 48 the double of 24. To me coming from a musical background I see doubled numbers as having essentially the same 'vibration', because in music when you double a frequency you get the same note only an octave higher. So 'Tom' having a value of 48 was quite a happy coincidence for me given the title of this thread.

Then I looked further into the other names Tom gave for himself, and 'Harmarkos' jumped out straight away as 86. 86 is also the value in Hebrew Gematria as 'Elohim', so I started to think that maybe 'The Nine' were the Elohim of Genesis.

I only had to read a few more paragraphs on to get confirmation that indeed Tom did equate 'The Nine' with 'The Elohim':

We are what is identified [in the Hebraic tradition] as the Elohim. We wish you to know we are not God. We are collective and become one. We wish you to know that we are you as you are we. You created us, and out of that creation you were created. Do not underestimate who you are, and your ability.

The name 'Harmarkos' I think was the name of The Sphinx(I may have misunderstood this part), and some of the imagery Tom uses to describe The Nine seems to me rather Pyramid like with a point of light at the top, so it was also of interest to me to discover that the word 'Pyramid' in English is also 86.
So maybe the Pyramids of Egypt are really symbolic of 'The Elohim' and thus 'The Nine'.

I think being that Tom and The Nine are super-intelligent it seems reasonable to assume, that they also encoded their messages with numerology (and more besides). They do say that human kind will need to evolve in consciousness before we can truly ever understand who they are. So I think they may have left many hidden clues under the surface of the text.

(Just a few initial thoughts, I'm still only reading Chapter 1, :o)

[araucaria]

@billyjl, please do not take my remarks as spoken in ignorance without reading your thread.

Thank you, I appreciate that you have taken the time and effort.




My issue stands: what you call the universe is at best our galactic backyard, and I feel uncomfortable enough with that kind of confusion to withdraw from this discussion without further ado.
Peace to you

Understanding you have withdrawn from the discussion, not only our back yard but all of the created universes. and after humanity has lifted the blockage within themselves to expand. also those universes that have yet to be created. as explained in the thread.

I would like to have understood what brings confusion to you.

peace be with you

I wasn't going to answer this.

I detect confusion and now it is me who is confused.

Over and out

[TOTHE]

I've just made a rather strange observation with regards to 'The Only Planet of Choice',
which I've just got around to start reading from the beginning.

I had a sudden impulse to check out the numerological value for the name 'Tom' (A=1 to Z=26), and I got 48 the double of 24. To me coming from a musical background I see doubled numbers as having essentially the same 'vibration', because in music when you double a frequency you get the same note only an octave higher. So 'Tom' having a value of 48 was quite a happy coincidence for me given the title of this thread.

Then I looked further into the other names Tom gave for himself, and 'Harmarkos' jumped out straight away as 86. 86 is also the value in Hebrew Gematria as 'Elohim', so I started to think that maybe 'The Nine' were the Elohim of Genesis.

I only had to read a few more paragraphs on to get confirmation that indeed Tom did equate 'The Nine' with 'The Elohim':

We are what is identified [in the Hebraic tradition] as the Elohim. We wish you to know we are not God. We are collective and become one. We wish you to know that we are you as you are we. You created us, and out of that creation you were created. Do not underestimate who you are, and your ability.

The name 'Harmarkos' I think was the name of The Sphinx(I may have misunderstood this part), and some of the imagery Tom uses to describe The Nine seems to me rather Pyramid like with a point of light at the top, so it was also of interest to me to discover that the word 'Pyramid' in English is also 86.
So maybe the Pyramids of Egypt are really symbolic of 'The Elohim' and thus 'The Nine'.

I think being that Tom and The Nine are super-intelligent it seems reasonable to assume, that they also encoded their messages with numerology (and more besides). They do say that human kind will need to evolve in consciousness before we can truly ever understand who they are. So I think they may have left many hidden clues under the surface of the text.

(Just a few initial thoughts, I'm still only reading Chapter 1, :o)

Bingo! You made the connection. You are waaay ahead of me on personal consiousness too.;)

[AwakeInADream]

Bingo! You made the connection. You are waaay ahead of me on personal consiousness too.;)

Thank's!:) You're too kind, but I'm just obsessed with numbers that's all.
Another connection to numbers, as you said "Bingo!", lot's of numbers there.(An example of just how daft I really am;))

It is odd though that as I started reading "The Only Planet of Choice", my unconscious mind should lead me to
information that I would only minuets later read.

I wonder does understanding channeled material require the reader to be in a slightly altered state also,
and therefore more in touch with what is being communicated unconsciously?

[TOTHE]

It is odd though that as I started reading "The Only Planet of Choice", my unconscious mind should lead me to
information that I would only minuets later read.

I wonder does understanding channeled material require the reader to be in a slightly altered state also,
and therefore more in touch with what is being communicated unconsciously?

I don’t know if it is a ‘slightly altered state’, you and I have been doing this all our lives. The ‘Nine’ are probably watching us now on this forum thread as we wade through our discoveries in The Only Planet of Choice. Of course our opinions and reactions are from our 3-D ego body-mind filtered by our perceptions, beliefs, judgments and prejudices. Case in point: araucaria’s confusion with the concepts presented here...he may be right, maybe we should run from this thread like our pants is on fire.

My perceptions:
Tom was very clear that Phyllis Schlemmer was not a channeler but a ‘transceiver’ from a group within a very high dimension of consciousness. That means bypassing all the chatter and distortions from the positive & negative lower etheric bands and possible artificial EMR induced mind control devices..no possible filtering of the transcribed text, therefore the words are “power words” for us to deduce hidden meanings. It’s a game that they love for us to play for they are an appreciative, very loving audience and are on a learning curve too.

Our conscious souls, by agreement, allowed themselves to become entrapped within the 3-D Earth density to experience the majesty of life in a biological Human body-mind. The audience is the Universe. Each and every one of us are “Devine Receiver/ Transmitters” directing our focus allow the sub-quantum energy to flow in the creation of matter from light energy. We all walk in our divinity.

You, AwakeInADream , have a gift. I imagine the Nine by agreement with your soul, from as far back as 1972, allowed the weight of numbers to be revealed in the text today by you. I am in awe.

I know you won’t freak out when you see them for the first time in your dreams. Tell them: “It’s about time you guys showed up”.:)

[AwakeInADream]

I know you won’t freak out when you see them for the first time in your dreams. Tell them: “It’s about time you guys showed up”.:)

Now you come to mention it, I have seen an indescribably bright light in a dream (well over a year ago) that I took to be the tri-une light of God, and this is just how Tom described The Nine as looking(I think). That was an experience I would like to repeat.

It involved mind to mind communication of an absolute knowledge of the nature of God, but this knowing wasn't accessible to my every day consciousness when I awoke, I could only remember how it felt. I'm hoping that it's just a matter of time before this knowledge filters through...

[Billy]

Sorry guys but again i have no internet connection, it will be this way until I house/pet sit again at the end of Jan. Thank you TOTHE and Awake. Keep going.

Today i would like to thank everyone for their input into this thread "Who are the 24 Elders". Starting with the OP where i shared some of my personal experiences, I will say now that trying to express what has been churning inside of me for almost 40yrs now, and putting into a written format was for me a massive undertaking. Many thanks to mod Marriane for her assistance.

Then onto what others have said about the Universal Elders including the book. " The only planet of choice" and after that a scientific look at our DNA and extratterestrial connections.

From there we have talked about, The Twelve Tribes, DNA, Yahweh, Enoch, J.J Hurtack's Keys of Enoch. Sumarian, Mauro Biglino's Literal translation of the OT, Mother Mary, Hidden hand, Twelve Magickal Worlds, TOTHE's magical pendant, Numerology, And more. WOW..

And in my opinion all debated with respect towards each other. I say only on Avalon could this have happened.

Therefore I thank Bill Ryan, Mods, Admin and Avalonians for this forum where space has been created where souls can express topics that would not normally be discussed.

Today is the last day of 2012. And here we all are, as i expressed we would be, still standing. Knocking on the door of 2013.

Have a Blessed new year everyone. May this be the year that Peace comes to planet earth through our own intentions and actions.

Peace be with you all.

[AwakeInADream]

Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!:)

[ulli]

I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.
Actually, it deals with all my personal core beliefs, and dot-connecting I've done over the years.
I really think you are onto something here.
I found that book the Only Planet of Choice more than twelve years ago, when it was online for free, and printed it out.
Pages and pages...somewhere inside a box now.
I was blown away at the time that Gene Roddenberry had gotten so many ideas for the Star Trek series from his sessions with Phyllis Schlemmer.
But also that idea of a Council of Nine...it explained to me the message which the Bahai Faith brought to humanity...to establish in every municipality a council (assembly) of nine community members, elected by the whole community...
with a secret ballot election process...with no political campaigning allowed. A totally new governmental system for the planet...and totally grassroots and democratic.

The other idea...of why planet earth was so unique was dealt with in the Wingmakers interviews....
This planet has more diversity than any inhabited planet in our galaxy.
The ETs call us the Galactic Zoo.
That's why some come here and help themselves to our DNA. The diversity here is something we take for granted, but it also means we have a vast spectrum of variety of thought, with no one person able to see the overall picture....and hardly ever are two on the same page.
This is the cause of so many clashes, this extraordinary diversity.
The Bahai message, to form councils of nine all over the planet, with the challenge to consult on local issues until a consensus can be reached and appropriate action to solve local problems can be taken, is still in my opinion the best way to get matters back on track. Not participating in that process, as I believe the organization was hijacked.
So when later I found The Nine, as channeled by Phyllis Schlemmer, I thought,
hey, this could be that spirit who was behind Baha'u'llah
when he wrote his message back in the nineteenth century.
Religious revelation and channeling are very similar, and only vary in degree.
The truth then has to be discerned by the listeners.

[Arrowwind]

Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!:)

I heard George Carlin pose a question the other day while watching some of his great comedy.
"If it be god's will why do we have to pray?"

[Swan]

Happy New Year Bilyji, and everybody else!

This thread is providing me with some puzzle pieces.

Thank You.

[TOTHE]

I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.


Dear Ulli;
I am overjoyed you finally made it here. You were the only one who showed an interest in June, 2011 when I first posted a quote of the Nine someplace on the Avalon Forum. I knew you would make it here eventually and our orbits would again intersect.

About the Wingmakers: I had to move away from them. As I understand they are ED’s with a temporal sight ability and are attempting to change their past at our expense. Their images caused me discomfort..and the same with Aleshia Dean’s information. Imposition of a “belief system” upon mankind to achieve something or an agenda? I got confused, my perceptions are based on physical science, metaphysics, experience, intuition and one lonely spirit guide...just like everyone else here.

About the Baha'i Faith: I had to work along side a Mensa Baathist for six years in the late 1960's! He was instrumental in opening my eyes to the New Age. I was a great listener and was the only one who knew what the hell he was talking about. I was into the study of philosophy and he was the mentalist (the only true one I have ever met too).

Welcome Ulli, I am seriously thinking about asking and paying you for a reading.

[lookbeyond]

Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!:)

Ditto from me too,
Thankyou Billyji and All

love lookbeyond

[ulli]

I so regret that I didn't follow this thread from the beginning. I only now realize what it is about.


Dear Ulli;
I am overjoyed you finally made it here. You were the only one who showed an interest in June, 2011 when I first posted a quote of the Nine someplace on the Avalon Forum. I knew you would make it here eventually and our orbits would again intersect.

About the Wingmakers: I had to move away from them. As I understand they are ED’s with a temporal sight ability and are attempting to change their past at our expense. Their images caused me discomfort..and the same with Aleshia Dean’s information. Imposition of a “belief system” upon mankind to achieve something or an agenda? I got confused, my perceptions are based on physical science, metaphysics, experience, intuition and one lonely spirit guide...just like everyone else here.

About the Baha'i Faith: I had to work along side a Mensa Baathist for six years in the late 1960's! He was instrumental in opening my eyes to the New Age. I was a great listener and was the only one who knew what the hell he was talking about. I was into the study of philosophy and he was the mentalist (the only true one I have ever met too).

Welcome Ulli, I am seriously thinking about asking and paying you for a reading.

Wow. What a friendly welcome! Thank you for making me feel at home.
Can't dedicate much time right now, but just wanted to say how interesting that you actually found an explanation for what is wrong with the Wingmakers materials.
They grabbed me for a couple of years, then I drifted away...
however, I could never quite figure out what the flaw was. All I knew deep inside was that yes, there was something wrong.
I took from it what I found to be true and forgot the rest.
Anyway, happy New Year, everyone here.

[TOTHE]

The quote below is from: TEXT, CHAPTER TWELVE, CURRENT AND NEAR FUTURE EARTH STATUS SUMMARY, page 156, SPIRITUAL RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
http://3108.info/text/textc12.htm


YOUR BASIC SPIRITUAL RIGHTS IN THE UNIVERSES OF GOD

You have the right to all of the things which GOD has provided for you. Things like your planet, designed to sustain life in your particular physical form. You have the right to all the normal needs that people need in order to live and grow such as adequate food, the knowledge to be comfortable against the elements of nature, good air and water and the like. You have the right to ALL knowledge stored in the CC-1 data base on the Mental Plane (cosmic consciousness). You have the right to choose to have a mate IF you are willing to accept the karmas that this situation generates.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to use any of the knowledge and abilities that you may learn to violate the laws of GOD by hurting other people for no legitimate reason or trying to make other people your slave or exploiting them because they know less than you do.

You, as well as all other life forms, have the right to life. You have the right to defend yourself using any power at your command if threatened with extinction by another life form. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to over react to non threatening situations or because your feelings are hurt or you feel scared because you are personally inadequate to deal with some situation.

Source & index of TEXT: please read the entry “text.htm” to shed some light on new info. What a rabbit hole this is turning out to be.

http://3108.info/text/

[AwakeInADream]

That's some intruiging information there TOTHE!:)

The introduction say's that Satan's real name is 'Kal', which makes me wonder was the fictional character Superman named after Satan?
It is a possibility being that his Kryptonian name is 'Kal-El' (which may mean 'Satan-God' since 'El' means God).
Is this the real reason why Superman has a big 'S' on his chest? S for Satan?

I hope it's not true because I love the Superman films!:(

(*Note* This is mere speculation/dot connecting on my part, the text itself doesn't slander Superman in any way)

[TOTHE]

That's some intruiging information there TOTHE!:)

The introduction say's that Satan's real name is 'Kal', which makes me wonder was the fictional character Superman named after Satan?
It is a possibility being that his Kryptonian name is 'Kal-El' (which may mean 'Satan-God' since 'El' means God).
Is this the real reason why Superman has a big 'S' on his chest? S for Satan?

I hope it's not true because I love the Superman films!:(

(*Note* This is mere speculation/dot connecting on my part, the text itself doesn't slander Superman in any way)

I am holding on my answer to you. I am attempting to find answers (dots) in the Vedas, Bible, Sumerian, Gospels, etc., etc..

*Note* This is mere speculation: It looks like there are 3 different Gods in the Bible.

So far I am into chapter “TWENTY-NINE – Exodus” of The Greatest Story Never Told to find out who is what from my $106 printed copy. You are welcome to look in the sources below with me (my computer gives me eyestrain to read on it). :)

Printed version, but you cannot copy.
http://www.hyksos.org/index.php?title=Greatest_Story_Never_Told#2-1
Scribed version, cannot copy.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59684072/The-Greatest-Story-Never-Told-a-Scienti-Lana-Corrine-Cantrell
Source &search of pdf, this you can copy, also put on a USB disk to bring to Office Max ($106.00 including 600 page 3 ring binder).
http://archive.org/details/The_Greatest_Story_Never_Told_Lana_Cantrell

[AwakeInADream]

I've been meaning to start that book(The Greatest Story Never Told), I think RomanWKT gave a link to it on another thread. It looks good!:)

Are the 3 different God's you are referring to Elohim,YHVH and EHIH?

It's interesting to note that when Abraham met the mysterious being Melchizedek, that Melchizedek already had his own God that he called El Elyon (God Most High).

I'd like to think (as the Kabbalah states) that all of those God's mentioned in the Bible are one and the same,
but what if they are not? What if the 'real' God isn't even mentioned in the Bible at all?

This worries and confuses me, because I wouldn't like to think that by praying towards one particular name,
that I might inadvertantly praying to Lucifer or Satan or any other 'lesser' God's.

Maybe it's best not to give God a name at all, and to think of God as The Nine do, as the ultimate yet indescribeable
source of, and sum of all that is.

[Billy]

Thank's BillyJ!)

I'd buy you your own Internet Cafe If I could!
I hope you get 'hooked up' again very soon, I will pray to that effect(if it be God's will)...

Have a Happy and Very Blessed New Year!:)

Ditto from me too,
Thankyou Billyji and All

love lookbeyond

I have internet access in my village shop, Which is run by community volunteer's, which opens for 2hrs a day. Today it opened after the festive season. When I finish work the shop is closed. I asked the community for a key as when i have no work i can open the shop and serve the community. They said. YES.

All good.

Happy New Year.

[AwakeInADream]

Wonderful news BillyJ!:) So now you will be serving two communities at the same time.:cool:
('mysterious ways' springs to mind)

[lookbeyond]

I've been meaning to start that book(The Greatest Story Never Told), I think RomanWKT gave a link to it on another thread. It looks good!:)

Are the 3 different God's you are referring to Elohim,YHVH and EHIH?

It's interesting to note that when Abraham met the mysterious being Melchizedek, that Melchizedek already had his own God that he called El Elyon (God Most High).

I'd like to think (as the Kabbalah states) that all of those God's mentioned in the Bible are one and the same,
but what if they are not? What if the 'real' God isn't even mentioned in the Bible at all?

This worries and confuses me, because I wouldn't like to think that by praying towards one particular name,
that I might inadvertantly praying to Lucifer or Satan or any other 'lesser' God's.

Maybe it's best not to give God a name at all, and to think of God as The Nine do, as the ultimate yet indescribeable
source of, and sum of all that is.



Hi AinaD, ive been having the same concerns, ive always prayed to my Father and ive posted this in a few places now, but shall mention here that when i feared for my daughters life and prayed in fear, desperation and faith for her recovery that i prayed to my Father and immediately saw beautiful black hands and forearms protectively over her head. I trusted their appearance/intent intuitively.
Today i include Mother and Creator of All that is, because i feel that is a more complete form of address

love lb

[Billy]

Hi everyone. I am not going to be around for a wee while as my Father has just passed away after suffering from Lukiemia. I managed to travel the journey south, to be by his bedside along with my brother and sister and my Mother before he left us.

My Father was an Athiest and was a bit confused when drifting in and out of consciousness in the last few hours of his life, because he kept seeing his Mother. I told him that this was fine and she was waiting for him. I assured him we were all going to be fine and it was ok to let go now. He began speaking to his mother then He passed away within a few hours.

The funeral is next Tues

I am relieved he is not in any more pain and he is at peace now.

See you when i return.

[lookbeyond]

Dear Billyji, i think your Father was very fortunate to hav you with him to comfort him before he passed,

Blessings to you and family, lookbeyond

[Billy]

Thank you for your kind words Lookbeyond. My fathers request was to put him in a black rubbish bag and throw him in the sea, Instead we gave my Father a lovely Humanist send off. My musician friends played fiddle and flutes at his funeral. There was not even standing room left at the service.

All done.

Peace.

[Billy]

Alrighty, Slowly getting back into the flow after my Father passing and my friend Steve who also passed. A Roller Coaster January indeed.

I posted this video a while ago and i would like to add another video which resonates with what Nevine expressed.


And the magic number 24 and DNA comes yet again. Thanks to WhiteCrowBlackDeer posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=586164#post586164

Nevine z Rottinger speaks about the 24 different star children groups on our planet at this time. As a clairvoyant Nevine sees 24 different frequencies in the children's field, also different variations in the resonance of their DNA. Each of these groups are bringing an opportunity for humanity.

Enjoy

_LxWLCPa4Gk

Peace

This video titled New Humans with Mary Rodwell speaks of Children (New Humans) with DNA changes, Again at the 45min 30sec mark the number 24 comes up yet again.
Listen from the 41min mark where Mary brings in scientific evidence concerning the 24 active codons within our new human children.

5YajMvsCotE

Enjoy

[Billy]

I have not been online for a number of weeks, Helping my mum clear my fathers stuff out and at long last i moved into my new caravan after my old one was badly damaged in a storm.

I found this link today.

Is An Alien Message Embedded In Our Genetic Code?

http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/could-an-alien-message-be-embedded-in-our-genetic-code-130401.htm

The answer to whether or not we are alone in the universe could be right under our nose, or, more literally, inside every cell in our body.

Could our genes have an intelligently designed “manufacturer’s stamp” inside them, written eons ago elsewhere in our galaxy? Such a “designer label” would be an indelible stamp of a master extraterrestrial civilization that preceded us by many millions or billions of years. As their ultimate legacy, they recast the Milky Way in their own biological image.

Vladimir I. shCherbak of al-Farabi Kazakh National University of Kazakhstan, and Maxim A. Makukov of the Fesenkov Astrophysical Institute, hypothesize that an intelligent signal embedded in our genetic code would be a mathematical and semantic message that cannot be accounted for by Darwinian evolution. They call it “biological SETI.” What’s more, they argue that the scheme has much greater longevity and chance of detecting E.T. than a transient extraterrestrial radio transmission.

p 10 Places To Find Alien Life

Writing in the journal Icarus, they assert: “Once fixed, the code might stay unchanged over cosmological timescales; in fact, it is the most durable construct known. Therefore it represents an exceptionally reliable storage for an intelligent signature. Once the genome is appropriately rewritten the new code with a signature will stay frozen in the cell and its progeny, which might then be delivered through space and time.”

To pass the designer label test, any patterns in the genetic code must be highly statistically significant and possess intelligent-like features that are inconsistent with any natural know process, say the authors.

They go on to argue that their detailed analysis that the human genome (map here) displays a thorough precision-type orderliness in the mapping between DNA’s nucleotides and amino acids. “Simple arrangements of the code reveal an ensemble of arithmetical and ideographical patterns of symbolic language.” They say this includes the use of decimal notation, logical transformations, and the use of the abstract symbol of zero. “Accurate and systematic, these underlying patterns appear as a product of precision logic and nontrivial computing,” they assert.

Read more here: http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/could-an-alien-message-be-embedded-in-our-genetic-code-130401.htm

[marlowe]

Margaret Thatcher died which was one of the predictions of this entity from another demension....."Thatcher will stroke Be4 May 15,"
according to it Nelson Mandella will die before May 15?

The Earth will move on April 17th..

Obama will have an accident on April 27...

Maybe someone here would like to contribute to this thread....On a closed forum I am on people are getting mind boggled /their world is changing because these predictions are so close now.

[Billy]

Margaret Thatcher died which was one of the predictions of this entity from another demension....
Obama will have an accident on April 27...

Maybe someone here would like to contribute to this thread....On a closed forum I am on people are getting mind boggled /their world is changing because these predictions are so close now.

You do not say which entity gave the predictions marlowe. Do you have a link for this information.

Contributions to this thread are much appreciated. apart for a few who have contributed, I often wonder who exactly are the 14,300 watchers who have looked at this thread, but do not comment. Maybe the majority are non members therefore cannot comment.

peace

[PurpleLama]

I had understood that the number of thread views reflects only the number of members that have visited the thread. I could be wrong.

[Sirius White]

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[Billy]

Hi Sirius, If you read the original Post you will see there that it explains very clearly who the Elders are. They are the Elders of many universal civilizations. Please read part 3 for more clarity. And the Biblical Jehovah/Yahweh is just one of the many civilizations.


Who are the 24 Elders part 3.

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The following exchange introduces the Civilisations, which will be examined in greater detail in the next chapter.

Tom: We understand the Earth plane, its entrapment, its density and its illusionary factor, yes.

IRENE: It'd be fun to have you here.

Tom: The time will come when all of us will be in togetherness, at the time of the elevation and transformational density of Planet Earth, in its rightful place of existence as the paradise of glory, yes.

JOHN: Where is that going to be?

Tom: Upon Planet Earth.

IRENE: Great! We're ready! Now specifically, I would like to go back to the creation and the Twenty-Four civilisations. Who created the Twenty-Four?
Or were they in fact a creation? Or were they in fact elements and particles that were brought together by you, but in fact they already had existence and you gave them order?

Tom: That is a large question. It was in this nature: there was one Creator, one energy, one pure light, one pure-being Self that contained all components of all that is.

It is extremely complicated, but in simplification, it came into that Being the knowledge, and wisdom to begin to divide the components of which it consisted, not to remove them but to build a structure. For in its aloneness it had only self for companion.

That was not wrong, but it was more valuable to create a situation whereby there was a separate element - to create a situation that would then have the structure to give the cells that would be populating different environmental existences, those portions necessary for its attainment of its choosing.
For it was found, in the creating by that that was created out of nothing, that there would be the necessity to expand this creating. Now what would be the purpose of creating nothing out of nothing? It was important to have created something.

So the Twenty-Four universal civilisations were created, as guides, elements of direction, elements of purpose and also to know that there would be some areas of civilisation (such as that of Altea) which would govern and rule that element of their existence all over the Universe, as Ashan does with colour, sound and arts.

It was a way for the Creator to expand and provide and begin those elements necessary for expansion, because once that was created, then the expansion would continue and it would go on and on. Therefore it needed the different elements that would make expansion purposeful. If the expansion continued with only the creating of Universes, with no purpose, then it would have served no purpose. Now have we confused you completely?

IRENE: No, not only does it not confuse, this is the most brilliant thing I've ever heard!
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ANDREW: All right. And, if this is the fountainhead, or 'the unmoved mover' if that be a correct definition, then all your thoughts and actions somehow must be put into effect through other peoples, or groups of beings...

Tom: Universal Civilisations.

ANDREW: Ah, right. Do you yourself initiate the intelligence, the thought, but the action is always carried out by others?

Tom: By the civilisations.

ANDREW. And then at one time you hinted there were twenty-four major civilisations through which you acted?

Tom: When you say major, there are many. But there are twenty-four heads of civilisations.

ANDREW: I see. They themselves are part of those many civilisations, or just heads of large groups of civilisations?

Tom: They are heads of civilisations.

ANDREW: And these are what the Bible calls a 'Council of the Twenty-Four' and 'The Elders' and so on?

Tom: It would be the Congress.

JOHN: One question about that: these are all working on the same side, the positive side, or as the twenty-four?

Tom: The positive and the negative must be blended to make it whole. It is as we have explained to you: to be positive with no sense is not as good.
They are balanced civilisations. Do you have that in clearness?

ANDREW: I think we do now.

Tom: When you speak of positive, remember: refer to it as a balanced-positive.

ANDREW: Now, under those Twenty-Four, could you give us an example of one civilisation? Let us say - Hoova. Where does it fit in under the Twenty-Four?

Tom: When you speak of the Twenty-Four, you speak of the heads of the civilisations. There is one you know of as 'Jehovah'.

ANDREW: Jehovah? And then under him is his civilisation? So the Jehovah is one of the Twenty-Four.

Tom: Yes. It is known as Hoova.
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In relationship to us there are Twenty-Four physical civilisations, in another dimensional realm.

Each is a total collective consciousness that oversees and from these civilisations physical beings have incarnated upon your Planet Earth, and at times have intervened, when necessary.

These physical civilisations, the Twenty-Four, each in its own dimension, are total and complete units of one collective consciousness that have agreed to be in that collective consciousness. They have evolved to that form of action to oversee, to pass through information of great importance, and help other physical civilisations in their evolutionary process.

An example would be the civilisation of Altea; as we are in another realm of existence, we depend upon Altea for communicating with you.

They guard the body of our being while you are in communication with us, and they provide the technology for us to communicate. Altea was also the head of what you know as the physical civilisation that manifested upon Planet Earth as Atlantis.

There are other civilisations - and there are amongst you incarnate souls from those civilisations who have come to help Planet Earth. One of these civilisations, Hoova, was the civilisation that originally seeded Planet Earth,as did some of the others, but Hoova re-seeded Planet Earth on three occasions.

Hoova is the civilisation from which the Hebrews derive: hence the importance of the Hebrews. Hoova is the civilisation that brought forth the Nazarene.

GENE: Are there any civilisations or races within our galaxy visiting us at present?

Tom: Yes. There are civilisations of different dimensions, different intelligence, different evolving, that are working with the Twenty-Four civilizations.

There are those within your galaxy that are in service to those that are attempting to salvage the Planet Earth. But they are not the primaries (the Twenty-Four).

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Tom: Not correct. If a device were designed that could see to the furthermost reaches of the Universe, then you would see also different levels of densities.
Within their civilisations the Twenty-Four have attained perfection, unity of oneness, complete obedience to the Creator, so therefore they understand their physical world, and are not tricked by physicalness.


JOHN: Now when the Twenty-Four interact with our solar system, I believe you said once that they may use other physical planets as a way of stepping down towards us, so there may be physical planets in our solar system that are used by individual civilizations..?

Tom: Not by the Twenty-Four. By Sub-civilisations. The Twenty-Four have no need.


Among the Twenty-Four civilisations, not all have manifested upon the physical Earth. There are those that have seeded Planet Earth, but there are also those that have not - such as those that have been to Earth but have not been involved with the work of the other civilizations.

Each of those civilizations - in particular those involved with Planet Earth, and those that have not been involved with it but have sent a representative - need to be brought into balance.[/COLOR]

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Some information regarding the different civilizations and their names.

Tom: Altea, we will say to you, is eternal. A Hoovid would live approximately one million of your years. The civilization of Hoova is the one that brought forth the nation of the Hebrews.
They came to Planet Earth for this in the time of Sumer (whence Abraham came), and at the time when it is said in your books about 'the sons of the gods merging with the daughters of the Earth' and they came one other time also. As they were the one civilisation that had sustained energy and were determined to survive, they elected to play a central historical role on Planet Earth their descendants represent a microcosm on Earth.

Ashan communicates through the artistic. You understand that those of Ashan are not always capable of discipline? May we just say to you that for the millions of Hoovids there are only a handful of Ashans. They come through by their own means. They are of creativity - if you will look into the culture of the Chinese, you will see the effects of their influence.
Ashan is the creator of music, it is the creator of the beauty upon the Earth, it is the civilisation that creates muses. The Scandinavians were of Ashan as were the Phoenicians.

JOHN: They were very artistic with glass, I understand

Tom: Yes. They were bohemians. Ashan is lithe of body, and light as the wind, and as the sounding of crystal, do you understand?

JOHN: Yes, that's very graphic.

Tom: They are what you would call the surrealists of the Universe. Involved particularly with Earth, you have Hoova, Ashan and Altea.

JOHN: Yes. Hoova works with the physical?

Tom: Yes.

JOHN: And the astral, the creative, the emotional is Ashan?

Tom: Yes. And Altea works with the mental. It is the blending of three primaries, Altea, Hoova and Ashan, which brings together the connection and the coupling of Planet Earth with the Universe.

All involved with Aragon (Jose Arigo the Brazilian Healer for example) are involved in healing. It is different from Ancore, Ancore works under Aragon. They work in conjunction towards perfecting the health of humankind.

They work together, as Spectra works for Hoova. Zeneel represents a similar principle to a computer but not just like a computer... we know not how to express it... Zeneel works with interplay, interchange. Zeemed and Zenthorp are worker civilizations of Zeneel.
They give a specialized structure of understanding and ability in the bringing forth of the energy of Zeneel. Zeneel is light and joyful and orderly. When we say 'orderly' we mean the creating of order in the color energy. Zeneel is the alchemist of the civilizations.

I hope you get what I am attempting to share here, and more parts of the jigsaw puzzle have joined together to allow you to glimpse the bigger picture of who the 24 Elders are.

[Flash]

Hi everyone. I am not going to be around for a wee while as my Father has just passed away after suffering from Lukiemia. I managed to travel the journey south, to be by his bedside along with my brother and sister and my Mother before he left us.

My Father was an Athiest and was a bit confused when drifting in and out of consciousness in the last few hours of his life, because he kept seeing his Mother. I told him that this was fine and she was waiting for him. I assured him we were all going to be fine and it was ok to let go now. He began speaking to his mother then He passed away within a few hours.

The funeral is next Tues

I am relieved he is not in any more pain and he is at peace now.

See you when i return.

I am with you billyji in these days of mourning.

[AwakeInADream]

About the hidden DNA code. I would say that the creators stamp is much more visible and obvious than that in the fact that every natural thing manifest displays the proportions of sacred geometry.

If there is a hidden code in DNA, I would think it more of a stamp of modification than creation (even humans are doing that nowadays LOL).

It's good to see you back BillyJi!:)

[marlowe]

The Earth will move on April 17th..

.

We just had a 7.8 mag quake in Iran.......at least 40 people dead........but it was April 16th at epicenter....Let's see what happen tomorrow...

It does appear that these Chani predictions are manifesting NOW.

[Billy]

The Earth will move on April 17th..

.

We just had a 7.8 mag quake in Iran.......at least 40 people dead........but it was April 16th at epicenter....Let's see what happen tomorrow...

It does appear that these Chani predictions are manifesting NOW.

Hello again Marlowe, I am not sure if you saw my reply to your last comment above, So am i correct in saying you received this information from the Chani Project that i mention in the OP of this thread here. Do you have a link where you received this info??
Who are the 24 Elders, a revelation.

Here we have the Entity from the Chani Project. There are a few references and threads here on Avalon regarding the Chani Project.



Read here,http://thechaniproject.com/nexus.html

And here. http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php

A little introduction to the project.

During the years 1994 to 1999, a group of researchers from an organization/corporation, which I will call RAND and Associates, or RA, had access to an underground CERN-like collider facility in Africa (the location is still classified).
A contingent of AFRICOM security personnel was tasked with securing the base and, of course, keeping its location secret. The AFRICOM station commander made and supervised all the travel and accommodation arrangements for the team of researchers.

They were closely watched 24/7. Between those years, the researchers started receiving communications from an Entity who claimed to be from a parallel universe/dimension/timeline.

A remarkable and groundbreaking interaction ensued. For a period of five years, researchers asked the Entity a series of over 20,000 questions and received answers to more than 95 per cent of questions asked.

Remember this was an electronic communication and not channeling through a person. Please read the information regarding the Entity’s style of writing.
Elders mentioned by the Entity.

Here, the Entity explains free will:

"me ask elders about explain frewil beter
elders say me explain like this
god give u eg
eg is there eg already created eg exist
u use frewil decide what do about eg
u can make choice boil eg eat eg
u can make choice bake eg eat eg
u can make choice u leve eg but eg get roten but eg stil there
u can make choice u not eat other animal so u throw eg away eg get roten somewere else but eg stil exist u wil smel eg eventualy
eventualy u must decide and deal with eg
time colide is like eg
god make time colide
time colide is there time colide already created time colide exist
eventualy u must decide what u want do with time colide and deal with it
u can not change what god created but with frewil u must decide what u do with time colide ok
me say eat eg because eg good for u b4 get roten then eg very bad 4 u"

[marlowe]

@ Billy .....I found it on the webbot forum ...I have no link because the webbot forum is closed to all but members....

But we track all predictions that have credibility & try to tie them in with the webbot predictions....{such as the remote viewers predictions}...

The Chani predictions have caused a big stir on the webbot forum because they

seem about to happen....

[Swan]

@ Billy .....I found it on the webbot forum ...I have no link because the webbot forum is closed to all but members....

But we track all predictions that have credibility & try to tie them in with the webbot predictions....{such as the remote viewers predictions}...

The Chani predictions have caused a big stir on the webbot forum because they

seem about to happen....

Hi Marlowe,

If it is not too off topic...could you give a short summary of the Chani predictions?

[marlowe]

@ Billy .....I found it on the webbot forum ...I have no link because the webbot forum is closed to all but members....

But we track all predictions that have credibility & try to tie them in with the webbot predictions....{such as the remote viewers predictions}...

The Chani predictions have caused a big stir on the webbot forum because they

seem about to happen....

Hi Marlowe,

If it is not too off topic...could you give a short summary of the Chani predictions?

Swan: here is the Icke forum thread...scan down past the half way point....

Chani is saying there will be a WWIII....
Nelson Mandala will die before May 15....
Dick Chaney & Bush 41 will die before June 15....

The Chani info is complecated & hard to summarize....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172354

[marlowe]

the reason i bumped this particular thread is because i put Chani Project into this forum's search slot & this and a couple of other threads came up..I bumped this one because it was the longest...

I asume it has to do with the Chani material....

[marlowe]

Here is a list of predictions....the entity can speak perfect Latin but prefers to speak in pigion English..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1245467/pg1

If this stuff is true April 17 through April 27 should be interesting...

[marlowe]

Chani says >>"Japan warring thing will commencing before 15 May secretly."


from zerohedge Japan prepares to fight a three front war..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-12/japan-prepares-fight-three-front-war

[ThePythonicCow]

If it is not too off topic...could you give a short summary of the Chani predictions?
It seems that using the forum Advanced search to search for "thechaniproject" will bring up several pages of results regarding these.

===

Update: Here are links to the most substantive Chani project threads or posts that I found:

The CHANI Project (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22693-The-CHANI-Project)
"In The US Navy Space Command And I Have Been To Elenin" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27753-In-The-US-Navy-Space-Command-And-I-Have-Been-To-Elenin)
The CHANI Project - Computer-Interfaced Communications With Other Realms (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29269-The-CHANI-Project-Computer-Interfaced-Communications-With-Other-Realms)
The death of Comet Elenin : a return to rationality? (Post #344) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30075-The-death-of-Comet-Elenin-a-return-to-rationality&p=310366&viewfull=1#post310366)
What if ? Time to think outside the box !! (Post #11) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32244-What-if-Time-to-think-outside-the-box---&p=328792&viewfull=1#post328792)
NICT Real-time Magnetosphere Simulation Website Terminated - (Chani forum discussion) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45138-NICT-Real-time-Magnetosphere-Simulation-Website-Terminated--Chani-forum-discussion-)

[Billy]

the reason i bumped this particular thread is because i put Chani Project into this forum's search slot & this and a couple of other threads came up..I bumped this one because it was the longest...

I asume it has to do with the Chani material....

Hi again Marlowe. The topic of this thread is research into " Who are the 24 Elders" I do mention in the OP the Entity that communicated through what is known as the Chani Project but only because the Entity mentions and refers to the Elders.

I think the material from the Entity is very interesting and informative. But only part of the communications was made public. It was said that more would be disclosed when humanity was ready.

As far as predictions go, i would say listen with great discernment. I take it the webbot forum gathers information, Prophecies ect from different sources therefore you only read what they print. When it is better to read the material from the original source. Predictions i would say are never set in stone. If we are heading along a certain timeline then a prediction can be made further along that timeline. But depending on the consciousness and actions of humanity, Timelines can change.

The message i happen to post on the previous page from the Entity in the Chani Project concerning free will and time colliding, Using the analogy of the Egg. He explains that the outcome depends on how humanity uses their free will and energy.

Predictions are interesting but not important. Being the change you want to see is more important.

Peace






The Earth will move on April 17th..

.

We just had a 7.8 mag quake in Iran.......at least 40 people dead........but it was April 16th at epicenter....Let's see what happen tomorrow...

It does appear that these Chani predictions are manifesting NOW.


Who are the 24 Elders, a revelation.

Here, the Entity explains free will:

"me ask elders about explain frewil beter
elders say me explain like this
god give u eg
eg is there eg already created eg exist
u use frewil decide what do about eg
u can make choice boil eg eat eg
u can make choice bake eg eat eg
u can make choice u leve eg but eg get roten but eg stil there
u can make choice u not eat other animal so u throw eg away eg get roten somewere else but eg stil exist u wil smel eg eventualy
eventualy u must decide and deal with eg
time colide is like eg
god make time colide
time colide is there time colide already created time colide exist
eventualy u must decide what u want do with time colide and deal with it
u can not change what god created but with frewil u must decide what u do with time colide ok
me say eat eg because eg good for u b4 get roten then eg very bad 4 u"

[Billy]

Here is a list of predictions....the entity can speak perfect Latin but prefers to speak in pigion English..

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1245467/pg1

If this stuff is true April 17 through April 27 should be interesting...

Just to confirm my post above that predictions are not set in stone, If we go back to the source of the communications using the link you provided marlowe with the entity from the Chani Project we will see that the entity explains that he may be confused by our timeline. And he may be off the mark.

2008 was the year of this communication, The entity does not say which year the predictions would happen. but all the predictions would happen before 2012.


Quotes.

1. my time is al now
your line time colide with our time
your time have past and future
me not know why u have double time
eye am now time 15 may

2.me not hiher dimension just difrent dimension
me on constant time u on period time
eye can cee yor time begin and end

3.your line time not end your line time chainge
u get extra line
u then have 2 line time then later u have 3
u have to make choise 15 may
some scare decide keep 1 line
other decide go 2 line become godlike

4.thing not happen b4 15 may me not real me make mistake me then wrong line time u not lisen me then ok
only if thing do happen then u lisen me ok
elder speek me about now me not understand but me say u anyway

5.me not here line time 2012

yes line time 15 may 2008 (I am certain that the OP put 2008 in here, and that it was never in the original file)
if thing not happen b4 15 may then me make mistake me use wrong line time

6.u ask 2012 me answer me not here line time 2012
me ask elders 2012 now
elders say choice u leaders make 15 may diicidng outcome 2012
u make choice me 15 may u come with me u not be here then 2012 ok

7.yes u come me 15 may u not here 2012 anymore
u with me we be godlike but not real gods yet
real gods 5 line time above
me line time 3 only
yor line time 1 only
15 may yor line time become 2 u deciding next line time 4 u

those who stay after 15 may til 2012 al demise go back 0000 line time
start al over again not good choice go back 0000
u beter walk with me beter choice 15 may ok

0000 bad no experinse u only wise like infant

15 may u choice walk with me share line time 2 and 3
u body die line time 1 body new line time 2 when choice walk with me
u choice stay line time 1 u dimise between 15 may and 2012 sory
with me we godlike bot not gods yet
to be god u need line time 5 stil long journey b4 line time5
me only line time 3
15 may u line time 2 ok
me older twice u line time 1
me make choice line time 2 and 3 long ago

yes u stay this planet we share planet on line time 2 and 3
u not decide go other plane ever not good choice
stay your planet then u grow become godlike only
u go other planet u become servant not god ok

elders say u be carful wait 15 may to cee things happen
if things not happen b4 may u not belive me
u not lisen me
me wrong then me mistake yor line time
me be back rite line time next
me friends again ok u wait 15 may

yes u deciding stay til 2012 your choice
but your dolphin and other not stay
dolphin come swim with me after 15 may

8.u deciding stay line time 1 your bornday stay 21 may ok
no craft your body demise yor within come with me u become godlike but not real god
real god line time 5 only
me line time 2 and 3 only seem godlike but not real god ok
me wait line time 5 with u ok

15 may we share planet but then we line time 2 and 3
other not cee us they stay this line time demise 2012 begin 0000.

yes elders say u can walk with me
but elders also warn u must wait 15 may if things happen
if nothing hapen b4 15 may then eye make mistake this line time
u must then not belive me and u must not lisen me anymore ok

End Quotes.

It appears that the Entity popped into our 2008 timeline and looked down that timeline and saw what was ahead. But timelines change. And here we are now in 2013 and still standing.

Peace

[Billy]

At this time there is ongoing discussions concerning predictions here on Avalon and it seems on other forums. Here. High Clif and WEBBOT.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59409-Clif-High-WEBBOT-Global-Coastal-Event
And here. Cobra
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59449-Notice-anything-since-Cobra-s-25th-May-Portal

So i will continue with the prediction theme with what i expressed in the post above. That predictions are not set in stone. The above post was from the chani project. here i will share information "The only planet of choice" brings to us.

Quote:

IRENE:
As you know, there have been endless questions as to how the changes are going to take place for humankind - is it going to be internal, pyschological, spiritual, geophysical - what are the changes that we can look forward to as we get closer to the changing of the millenium? (NOTE: This Question would have been asked either in the 70s or 80s) The second part of that question is, how best can humankind prepare themselves?

Tom: It is in this manner: Humankind holds within itself the means of forwardness and also it holds within itself the direction. Listen in carefulness, with openness and understanding:
The next thousand years are those of the years of the mind. Energies of the mind which will be brought to understanding of the true power of what is created by a thoughtform, a visualisation or a strong desire formed of it. It is in this manner: there has been many predictilations…..predictions which bring a predictilation……is that correctness?

IRENE: No, but its a new word!

Tom: Yes? What I meant to say was, it is in this method: in the past many upon your planet Earth have made predictional which have created a predilectional .....

IRENE: .... yes, very good .....

Tom: ... and what they have done, by programming humankind, in truth they have actually created that event.

IRENE: Yes

Tom: Now, there are several areas, that those who create these events need to observe and look upon, within themselves (those who still exist, for thou knowest some of those have now transitionalised).

It is like this: they have either been predicting from sources surrounding Planet Earth or sources of civilizations that do not have all knowledge, nor a doorway to all knowledge or even that of a window. What they are seeing is like looking upon Earth and seeing the different paths and routes that humankind may take at any given time in the historical aspect of humankind.

What they are also seeing is at times, if humankind is moving in a direction that appears to be confrontational they then believe that it is a given, ordained, when that is not true. For humankind has within it the ability to bring all changes within its own parameters and to bring all peace within.

Also there are those of the Others that have in a form, corrupted information in order to create diversion and anxiety in making situations of chaoticness. Now again we say this: there are those upon your planet Earth who did not believe that in their time of existence upon Earth there was the possibility of East and West in communion, is that not so?

IRENE: Yes.

Tom: That did not happen by chance, for many, with their visualisations, their prayers and their actions brought that into being. For it also takes action, you understand.

IRENE: Yes

Tom: Most humankind would believe that that barrier [wall] came [down] suddenly, in one day. It took much time to bring it to that. In the same manner as the changing of the situation in South Africa.
It took much effort by many quiet workers. Also as you see what has happened with the nations of Israel and Ishmael. There are those workers who are attempting to disrupt and to bring them down. Therefore it is held within the faculties of humankind to bring to themselves what it is that they wish.

Humankind does not want to hear this, for is it not more dramatic for them to feel that it is out of their control and that all will happen. [that everything is predestined].
Then there are those who believe that the planet must be purified and cleansed of the humankind who are not worthy of it, in their opinion.

This then creates another energy of negativity and those who have the audacity to believe that their predictions are correct and rightful have created a great difficulty, not only for themselves, but for Earth. They have given their power to another energy you understand?

IRENE: Yes.

MARY: There are a growing number of people around the world that are interested in the ’Ascension’ philosophy. Can you tell me where that information comes from, and then, whether there is any truth in the concept that a few chosen ones will help the planet in its evolution, or coming back into balance, after what they term ’chaos’?

Tom: We will explain to you again about those civilisations that do not have full information, and then attempt to create an elitism amongst those of humankind, in order to give them the feeling of specialness and uniqueness - in that way they keep them blind to other realities.

At times, or in some instances, some of those subcivilisations believe that they have the truth. It is not complete and they do not understand that when they speak of the ’Ascension’, it refers to the energy fields creating the means for Planet Earth to be a light space vehicle in upward movement. It does not mean that humankind will ascend, nor that a portion of them will ascend.

It is also of importance to understand that the fear of destruction keeps the planet and humankind in bondage and serves no useful purpose. It only creates a lack of balance for the planet and imbalance and depression in humankind. We speak to all of humankind who live in this concept of destruction when we say that you hold within you totally and completely the ability to stop the devastation, the destruction of your Planet Earth.

If you are someone who wishes to be right at all times, and in your error of thinking believe that your planet will be destroyed, then you take the responsibility of creating the destruction; and if we were in your place, we would be in great caution [very careful]. For you do not know what you bring upon yourself.

MARY: Thank you, so just to clarify a little, these sub-civilisations are not from the Others, then? They are just a bit confused, is that correct?

Tom: And [Sitting] on the fence, some of them. Do you understand what that means?

MARY: Yes, thank you very much. That is most helpful.

Tom: Therefore, we say: take hold of your own life, your own planet, take time for reflection, take time for prayer, take time for action, each be responsible in a small way and your planet will come to its peace.

As you would feel that it has turned into chaoticness it can also turn into joyfulness. And it is a natural situation at times, for there to be small eruptions and conflict for there are evolved souls and those that are new souls without understanding totality but that does not mean your planet is heading for total destruction.
There is in your world a belief that there is a thousand year reign, is there not?

IRENE: Yes. [The Bible, Revelations Ch. 20 v 4-71]

Tom: It is [up] to you and in you are the conditions when that goes into effect. It is meant for your next thousand years and there will not be a sudden, but a gradual change with acceleration - for humankind must now take a stand for living upon Planet Earth. You hold this planet completely and totally. If you wish to give your powers to those who would destroy it, remember that you destroy yourself.



Also remember this: It is true there is not death, so there are some who say "it does not matter, for there is no death" but it does matter, for if you cut off a life before it was meant to, if you cut off your own life by that which is not correct - by incorrect thinking, action or otherwise - then your choice and that of others has not been fulfilled, and there is a payment that you will extract from yourself and you might not like what is due. Is it not better to fulfil what you have chosen for this planet?

Earth can be in greatness, for each humankind is a potentialness of greatness. Do not be afraid of that or of the responsibility, for it will bring to you great self respect and great joy. Do not permit others to own your soul. Move forward…. and we are with of you. Did we answer your question, is there any clarification?

IRENE: One question that I have concerns this whole notion of technological revolution and computers. You were talking about the next age of humankind being the age of the mind How will that interact with what’s happening now - with our society becoming so completely computer oriented Are there things that one needs to be aware of? (NOTE: a reminder that this is 30yrs ago)

Tom: What is important to understand is this: Remember we have said that your Earth is the planet of the physical and the spiritual. Humankind has also been burdened with laborious means of working and that has held some in bondage, is that not so?
IRENE: Yes
Tom: So, in the millennium of the mind, the balance would be a millennium of technology, is that not correct? Therefore is that not a gratefulness? For then humankind has freedom to fulfil its promise to itself.

IRENE: So the millennium of technology frees us from the laborious work of the past however it also frees us in terms of our pursuit of the spiritual.

Tom: That is correct.

IRENE: And that’s the thing we mustn’t forget as we become obsessed with our new found toys.

Tom: That is absolute. Do not get out of bounds. As that of the mind begins to understand its power eventually that of the technology will be merged. But you must not lose sight of the spiritual aspect and the balance. Otherwise a corruption will set in again.

I will add this last comment from Phyllis.

This chapter is so vital, that Phyllis, who rarely writes commentary on the transmissions, has felt the need to add these words of clarity:

For over twenty years, Tom has consistently reiterated that if the Messiah/Christ consciousness comes in its own time, it could mean some catastrophic upheavals but if the Messiah/Christ consciousness comes with acceleration, planet Earth, including humankind, will be transformed. What does Tom mean by this, and how does it work?

Tom and the Council of Nine have explained that if the Messiah/Christ consciousness comes in its own time it would mean that the earth and mankind are in such despair and agony that they are crying out for help. Only then can outside influences, such as the Creator or other civilizations, take action to help us.
Acceleration of the Messiah/Christ consciousness means that if there will be enough consciously aware humans working diligently to bring about change - on all levels - government, education,

prayer, meditation, environmental issues - taking responsibility and action then humankind and planet Earth can begin the transformational process that Tom has referred to throughout his communications.

In our lifetime we are beginning to see all of this happening in pockets around the world. Our thoughts and actions are means of bringing about transformation for the coming millennium.

Today, science has begun to prove and legitimize the powers of the mind, especially in the area of health. We could expand this concept and consider the possibilities that would come about by using this creative energy within us to accelerate the Messiah/Christ consciousness - it is worth a try …….just "what if …….?"
The choice is ours.

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Peace

[Joseph McAree]

Hi Billy,hi fellow Avalonians,

Dear friends I have to say what a conversation we have just had on this topic, I have to say a big thanks for starting this thread I learned so much and it lead me into so many different subjects and beliefs, I would recommend everyone to read the The Planet of choice, everyone needs to read it with an open mind, they will use there free will to make any changes to their lives as they see fit.

I am a great believer in the power of love and that is what is missing from this planet, I really enjoyed the journey of working through the thread and listening and learning from the points of view from many of the members, I thank you all again for your input and the knowledge I have gained from this particular thread.

Kindest regards
Joe

[Billy]

Thank you for your kind words Joe.

I am posting a comment from another thread that also mentions the 24 or four and twenty From the Gnostic text the Pistis Sophia. Thanks to Buares.
http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/index.htm



Do you have a link for this information. The four and twenty invisible's are who i refer to in this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation

Here is the link: gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps088.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps088.htm)

See also: gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps005.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps005.htm)

And moreover Jesus had not told his disciples the total expansion of all the regions of the great Invisible and of the three triple-powers and of the four-and-twenty invisibles, and all their regions and their æons and their orders, how they are extended--those which are the emanations of the great Invisible--and their ungenerated and their self-generated and their generated and their light-givers and their unpaired and their rulers and their authorities and their lords and their archangels and their angels and their decans and their servitors and all the houses of their spheres and all the orders of every one of them.

And : gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps086.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/pistis-sophia/ps086.htm)

Jesus continued again in the discourse and said unto his disciples: "[…]I entered into the region of the four-and-twenty invisibles, shining most exceedingly. And they fell into great commotion; they looked and saw Sophia, who was with me. Her they knew, but me they knew not, who I was, but held me for some sort of emanation of the Light-land.

"It came to pass then, when Pistis Sophia saw her fellows, the invisibles, that she rejoiced in great joy and exulted exceedingly and desired to proclaim the wonders which I had wrought on her below in the earth of mankind, until I saved her.[…]”


Peace

[Billy]

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Mary […] said unto Jesus: "My Lord and Saviour, of what manner then are the four-and-twenty invisibles[/B] and of what type, or rather of what quality are they, or of what quality is then their light?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "[…] The four-and-twenty invisibles shine ten-thousand times more than the light of the sun which is in this world […]But the light of the sun in its shape in truth, which is in the region of the Virgin of Light, shineth ten-thousand times more than the four-and-twenty invisibles […]" (Pistis Sophia, c.83/84)

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Mary Magdalene came forward again, continued and said unto Jesus: "My Lord, in what type will be those who have received [B]the mystery of the Light, in the midst of the last Helper?"

And Jesus answered and said unto Mary in the midst of the disciples: "They who have received the mystery of the Light, if they come out of the body of the matter of the rulers, then will every one be in his order according to the mystery which he hath received. Those who have received the higher mysteries, will abide in the higher order; those who have received the lower mysteries will be in the lower orders. In a word, up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there will he abide in his order in the Inheritance of the Light. For which cause I have said unto you aforetime: 'Where your heart is, there will your treasure be,'--that is up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there shall he be." (Pistis Sophia, c.90)


A stain glassed window on a wee island in Scotland depicting Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

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Thank you Bill.

Peace to all.

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Mary is with child and Notice the hand hold. :whistle:

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[Billy]

I have been asked by PM's where the above Stained Glass Window can be found. It is situated on the Isle of Mull. In Kilmore Church in the village of Dervaig. Not very far from where i stay.

Info Here. http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/Kilmorechurch.htm

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Kilmore Church is Very close to the Holy Isle of Iona. There is a legend that Jesus visited Scotland During his missing years.

Info Here. http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/jesusmarymag_iona.html

Peace

[8Adamas8]

"Twelve plus twelve is getting close to the answer as I will explain later. For now I would like for you to think DNA strand."

I use a lot of discernment when it comes to John Lamb Lash especially because he self admits its his interpretation of the Nag Hammadi. But part of his interpretation is that the Pleroma (the 24 from Pistis-sophia) emanates from the center of the galaxy. What's interesting when you bring up DNA is the double helix shaped nebula the spitzer telescope found just 300 light years from the super massive black hole thought to be the center of our galaxy.

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Here is a video making the correlation of 666 out of revelations to the carbon 6 molecule and carbon 7 being a product of ascension. Pay close attention at 4:00 it talks about magnetism of iron versus the attractiveness of hyper-dimensional fields to carbon 7. The reason I bring this up is astronomers believe the double helix is caused by the distortion of magnet torsion and we all know sometimes it takes a spiritual eye to see whats really going on here;)

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[obaefun]

Hi every one,
Billy it is my opinion that the 24 elders are in this pasage the 24 letters of the hebrew alphabet.
This is the link that show all 24 Letters
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-hebrew-alphabet0.html

Hope I could help.

[Uncle Mikey]

The Throne of God is the Heart.

the Twenty Four Elders are the 24 Ribs surrounding the throne.

The Four Living Creatures are the 4 chambers.

Etc.

[Tintin]

:bump: as we seek to regain a spiritual focus :heart: