Hamas has support from 'resistance' against Israeli Aggression.

[Kiforall]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

[Krullenjongen]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

The Israeli "aggression" is almost always a reaction on missle and mortar fire from the gaza strip, so who is the aggressor here then???

[GaelVictor]

Chicken and egg story..

But a deeper truth is that the Israeli's took the Palestine lands.

[Marrkuss]

How would u react if i was setting up camp on your door step .... denying your backyard then taking a little more each week ... how would u react when only the basement of your Home would be left to you ... Isreal got it coming by COLONIZING the palestinian ground ... which is prohibited by geneva laws ! Its sad for the israeli's casualty ... but when u push people too far you get them to strike back !

[Kano]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

The Israeli "aggression" is almost always a reaction on missle and mortar fire from the gaza strip, so who is the aggressor here then???

You're kidding right?

[GCS1103]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

The Israeli "aggression" is almost always a reaction on missle and mortar fire from the gaza strip, so who is the aggressor here then???

You're kidding right?

Kano-

I can tell you for sure, he's not kidding. Neither am I when I say that I agree with him. Different viewpoints on an issue- each one valid to the person who holds that viewpoint.

[Kano]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

The Israeli "aggression" is almost always a reaction on missle and mortar fire from the gaza strip, so who is the aggressor here then???

You're kidding right?

Kano-

I can tell you for sure, he's not kidding. Neither am I when I say that I agree with him. Different viewpoints on an issue- each one valid to the person who holds that viewpoint.

GCS-

Do you deny that the Israeli government has taken Palestinian land by force, intimidation, outright murder, and created daily terror for Palestinian and Israeli people alike? Please, I am very interested to hear your views on this.

Kano

[GCS1103]

The link title says it all.

http://www.debka.com/article/22418/Israeli-air-tanks-pound-Gaza-after-massive-Palestinian-barrage-Hamas-Jihad-threaten-to-broaden-attacks

The Israeli "aggression" is almost always a reaction on missle and mortar fire from the gaza strip, so who is the aggressor here then???

You're kidding right?

Kano-

I can tell you for sure, he's not kidding. Neither am I when I say that I agree with him. Different viewpoints on an issue- each one valid to the person who holds that viewpoint.

GCS-

Do you deny that the Israeli government has taken Palestinian land by force, intimidation, outright murder, and created daily terror for Palestinian and Israeli people alike? Please, I am very interested to hear your views on this.

Kano

Kano-

What I deny is the view that this is a one-sided affair, with Israel as the constant aggressor. Is the Israeli government blame-free? Absolutely not. But the idea that Israel is always the offender and never the "defender", I reject in total. There is a great tendency to demonize Israel in alternative media sites. We forget that "Israel" is made up of people; people who are ruled by elites, just like in all countries. People who don't want war and just want to live in peace with everyone else.

You may be interested in looking into the highly successful campaign called "Israel loves Iran", "Israel loves Palestine", etc. A former member, Lord Sidious, is very active with that campaign which involves "ordinary citizens" from the entire Middle East, including Israel, proclaiming that they have no interest in fighting with anyone. It's a people movement, not a government one. My point being, we cannot condemn an entire population for the things done beyond their control, that the fools who run the country, perpetrate. That includes all countries in the Middle East and elsewhere.

[Kano]

GCS-

Thanks for your reply. My question is: Would any of these sects like Hamas, Al Qaeda, Hizballah, etc be attacking Israel if the Israeli government was not actively engaging in ethnic cleansing and illegally seizing land that has been Palestinian for thousands of years? I think not.

Let me say, I understand your perspective that now it has become the Palestinians who may choose to fire aggressively into Israeli areas "unprovoked" but what I am addressing is the root of the entire conflict. These "unprovoked" aggressive attacks would not exist if the Israeli government was not illegally seizing Palestinian land with a fascist army, torture, and murder.

EDIT: Removed inappropriate comment

Would you not aggressively defend your home, your family, and your heritage if you were a Palestinian? I know I would.

EDIT: Of course I am sure you know this but there is a very large movement of Jews from all backgrounds who are completely against the state of Israel. To my knowledge, there is no such movement amongst the Palestinian people.
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[Kano]

This image is what I am talking about.
http://www.imemc.org/attachments/sep2011/palestine_shrinking.jpg

[GCS1103]

Hi, Kano-

The land now called "Israel" was not owned by Palestinians and there was no national identity of an ethnic group called "Palestinians". The British partition gave "Israel" to the Jewish people because it always was historically their homeland. (you may disagree with this). During the British Empire, there was a large piece of land called "Transjordan". Since the early 1900's the British had proposed to partition Transjordan into a Jewish section and a Muslim section. The Jewish section was called Israel since it was the original homeland of the Jewish people. The Muslim section was given to the "Palestinians" and called Jordan.

I'm sure I don't have to give you an ancient history lesson going back 3,500 years and the arguments on each side. There has been a constant battle in this area that has engulfed the rest of the world recently. Would I defend my home? Of course, like anyone else. However, you are going under the assumption (and your belief, which you are entitled to) that this land was Palestinian; the Jews believe it was theirs. Therein, is the great and insurmountable problem.

Everyone lived peacefully together from the early 16th century to 1918 under the Ottoman Empire. Hundreds of years of peace. This should be the goal for everyone today - peace.

[Kano]

Hi, GCS-

Since you would defend your home like anyone else, how is it that you do not see the Palestinian point of view? Is it not black and white that Israel is clearly overstepping its boundaries and violating any British partition that is acknowledged in that area of the world?

For me it is not about any kind of "legal" ownership of land per se. I do not identify with the lines drawn on a map to say this is mine and this is yours. What I do identify and take exception with is that giant piece of land in the Middle East which has plenty of room for all involved to live prosperously, yet the Israeli forces continue to take and take and take. One does not have to be a historical scholar to realize that what the Israeli military is doing to eradicate all non-Jews is unequivocally unacceptable, no matter what British partition said about what people get what land.

I 100% agree that the ultimate goal should be peace for everyone everywhere. But with the US giving untold billions to Israel, it has transformed its military disproportionately into that of a global superpower. No country with that kind of military build up wants peace.

[Kiforall]

I have been doing some reading and was wondering whether all the Israel/Jerusalem thing is down to this Foundation Stone and what lies underneath?

Before expressing our point of view on this question, we must reflect upon the reason for which Jerusalem and Masjid al-Aqsa [the Al Aksa mosque] hold such a sacred position in Islamic faith.

"As is well known, the inclusion of Jerusalem among Islamic holy places derives from al-Mi'raj, the Ascension of the Prophet Muhammed to heaven. The Ascension began at the Rock, usually identified by Muslim scholars as the Foundation Stone of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem referred to in Jewish sources.

Recalling this link requires us to admit that there is no connection between al-Miraj [the Ascension] and Muslim sovereign rights over Jerusalem since, in the time that al-Miraj took place, the City was not under Islamic, but under Byzantine administration. Moreover, the Qur'an expressly recognizes that Jerusalem plays for Jews the same role that Mecca does for Muslims."

The above is taken from http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

[Zamendar]

I might be wrong on this one so sorry if this is the case. My understanding is about 90% of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi Jews and don't have any ties whatsoever with this homeland. They are mostly of European descent. I believe it was the Sephardic Jews who had any ties to this area.

Isreal is a "made-up" state that doesn't belong to the Jews. That said, I am not saying all the jews are bad people. Far from it. I think the Jewish people and Palenstitian People in general are great people but the corrupt controllers want to make war on everyone who has any slight deviation to "their plan."

[GCS1103]

Hi, Kano-

Yes, the U.S. should stay out of the Middle East (and elsewhere). But, you do know that we also give billions of dollars to other countries in the Middle East too? We (meaning our government) plays both sides against one another and always has.

Would it surprise you if I told you, it is a fact, that several Middle Eastern countries have agreements with Israel, that allow Israeli planes to fly over their land space for military maneuvers? Are you aware that publicly, many Arab countries make a lot of noise against Israel, but privately many of them consider Iran more of a threat?

We're all the victims of those people who pull our strings and a media that promotes the hate and division. I'm planning a trip to Israel soon with a close friend, who is very much involved in what is happening in the Middle East. I don't want to be told by the MSM what's going on there; I plan on going to different parts of the country to hear first hand what the people have to say; that includes Palestinians. I expect this trip to be an eye opener in many ways.

[GCS1103]

I might be wrong on this one so sorry if this is the case. My understanding is about 90% of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi Jews and don't have any ties whatsoever with this homeland. They are mostly of European descent. I believe it was the Sephardic Jews who had any ties to this area.

Isreal is a "made-up" state that doesn't belong to the Jews. That said, I am not saying all the jews are bad people. Far from it. I think the Jewish people and Palenstitian People in general are great people but the corrupt controllers want to make war on everyone who has any slight deviation to "their plan."

I can tell you that if you had a Jew from Israel and a Palestinian from Israel in your home (as I have had), you could never tell the difference between the two. Physically, they look similar and their cultural leanings are very much alike. Take them out of the grips of, as you call them "the corrupt controllers", and they could be brothers. The crime lies with the puppeteers, not the people

[AuCo]

Admittedly, I know so very little about the history of this land. I found this youtube video:
xU9CauJP4Pg and not sure how true it is.

GCS, please do share your experience when you come back from the visit. Thanks.

[loc]

Israel has been the aggressor since its inception!

[Kano]

I might be wrong on this one so sorry if this is the case. My understanding is about 90% of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi Jews and don't have any ties whatsoever with this homeland. They are mostly of European descent. I believe it was the Sephardic Jews who had any ties to this area.

Isreal is a "made-up" state that doesn't belong to the Jews. That said, I am not saying all the jews are bad people. Far from it. I think the Jewish people and Palenstitian People in general are great people but the corrupt controllers want to make war on everyone who has any slight deviation to "their plan."

I can tell you that if you had a Jew from Israel and a Palestinian from Israel in your home (as I have had), you could never tell the difference between the two. Physically, they look similar and their cultural leanings are very much alike. Take them out of the grips of, as you call them "the corrupt controllers", and they could be brothers. The crime lies with the puppeteers, not the people

You are probably right GSC, but I think the point that is being made is about the shear number of Jews that have bought into the idea of, and protection of, Israel as a recognized state. We can go round and round about it, but Israel will always be a very shady situation for me. I am not anti-semetic, hell I'm not anti anyone. But I feel like I have a knack for truth when it looks at me hard. Yes, it is my truth. But often times universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.

[sigma6]

There is the issue of Britain partitioning and 'giving' land that was not theirs to give in the first place, and there is a difference between provable history and unprovable history based on Biblical texts that don't always correlate with otherl existing historical records or archeological findings...

The people of Israel today are real people who want life and peace but the issue of origins is important too, and the basis of all law and contract as well, and if certain biblical 'references' can't be verified by actual historical records or archeological findings, that is a big issue as well. Can India take land based on vedic stories that date back over 10,000+ years ago? All governments and religions have a criminal elements built into them... this is just a by product of all institutions. (maybe Buddhism might be an exception) So I don't trust the governments or formal religious institutes.

I think the real problem IS the institution (pyramid) It creates the concentration of power that always gets abused by those who manage the positions at the top.

[161803398]

And then there are these guys: http://jewsagainstzionism.com/

[PathWalker]

Let me tell you that I live in the region.
Both sides never missed a chance to kill any chance.

Both sides are controlled by TBTW and have no real interest to make any progress for hope nor solution. And both sides have many chances to genuinely come forward. Even this year.

Getting trapped in siding one side over the other, is falling into the classic trap of 'divide and conquer.'
The day to day life is much more complex and challenging.
Once the people in the region elevate the infused fear, there will be reconciliation.

One of TPTW themes that the Israeli problem is the root for all middle eastern issues is now disproved.