Ancient Aliens Theory Debunked

[Ishtar]

On my forum, Ishtar's Gate, we have many archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists and mythologists and other kinds of researchers who find the claims of the ancient aliens theorists to be at best deluded and at worst, completely false. Most of what's attributed to ancient aliens can be sourced to a misunderstanding about the intelligence and technical capabilities of our earliest ancestors.

This misunderstanding has been deliberately developed and fostered by the powers-that-be through Darwinism and false science. There is a very deliberate and sustained alien agenda being promoted from the highest levels of the shadow world government and for this reason, they don't want us to know how intelligent and capable our ancestors were, and how much of their knowledge and wisdom has been destroyed. I know personally several archaeologists who were vilified and run out of their jobs because they found evidence which went against Darwin's theories about the evolution of man and his cognitive abilities.

(For example, the official date for when man had enough intelligence to use boats to sail the seas across the globe is 7,000 years BC. However, there is evidence for man sailing to Crete around 130,000 years ago. That's just one example.)

Anyway, this is such a vast subject that it's difficult to get another point of view across to people who aren't dedicated to engaging with a lot of research, especially if someone has become psychologically predisposed (as psy-ops has ensured many are) to believe in the ancient astronauts theory. So I was very pleased to see that this video has been released which deals with many of the most of the popular misunderstandings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j9w-i5oZqaQ#!

I know some people on this forum do believe in ancient aliens (and even present day aliens) and I respect your views. But I would just ask you to keep an open mind and listen to another point of view, and then after that, you will have all the evidence to make up your own mind.

[Cidersomerset]

High Ishtar I have watched Ancient Aliens and enjoy the concept and speculation and think there maybe something to it.
I also like mainstream Archeology and have watched most Time Team episodes since it started and am a military history buff.
Its a bit like two politcal parties at the moment if one says its good the other will spin the other way..LOl..
There is no doubt the history of modern man is going back Gobekli Tepi has pushed back mainstream archeology this year
closer to the 12000 year old cataclysm the like of Graham Hancock talks about .There is definately a lot out there modern
archeology like astromony wont touch....Its not in the text books so its not in their paradigm as far as I can see !

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Even the BBC accept this was built 12000 years ago ...

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PS there was a thread about this recently, which i did not reply on as the angle it was
coming from was to black & white for my liking....When the whole of reality is made
from' 50 shades of 'GREYS' pardon the pun ! ..LOL..Steve

[Ishtar]

Hi Steve

From my point of view, I'm not saying that there aren't aliens "out there somewhere"... in a universe of this size, it's inevitable that there must be other forms of life. It's just that when I'm shown what purports to be evidence of such, it's clear to me that I'm being lied to (because I know the full story of which I'm only being given half, or a few cherry picked, selected facts which ignore other less convenient bits of the story). That's why this video is so good. It lays out all the facts of each key story, and then the viewer can decide for themselves. It's not telling them what to think, which so much psy-ops propaganda does.

That Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 years old has been known for a long time. But even the BBC don't attribute it to aliens because they know our ancestors then were well capable of creating it. They were actually building boats 125,000 years before that!

Great pun about 50 Shades of Greys, by the way! ;) (Wish I'd thought of it!)

[Cidersomerset]

That Gobekli Tepe is 12,000 years old has been known for a long time. But even the BBC don't attribute it to aliens because they know our ancestors then were well capable of creating it.


Thats right but only recently have they agreed that our ancestors were capable....They are getting closer to Grahams work imo even if they won't admit it ..LOl..




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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47375-Graham-Hancock-Ancient-Mysteries-2012....Relaxing-sunday-viewing-..

[Ishtar]

Yes, and even then, the BBC has a loooooooong way to go before admitting how intelligent our ancestors really were and how far back, such as from how they carved their tools, we can see that they knew the Golden Mean (aka phi) 400,000 years ago.

Here's some links that may interest you:

Our ancestors knew the Golden Mean 400,000 years ago (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?215-Our-ancestors-knew-the-Golden-Mean-400-000-years-ago)

Neanderthals made jewellry before modern man (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?1148-Neanderthals-Made-Jewelery-Before-Homo-Sapiens)

Written communications 60,000 years ago, on ostrich shells (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?735-Written-communications-60-000-yrs-ago-on-ostrich-shells)

Suppressed New Evidence on when Man Entered the Americas (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3474-Suppressed-New-Evidence-of-Early-Man)

30,000 year old ivory workshop found in Germany (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3521-38-000-year-old-ivory-workshop-found-in-Germany)

25,000 year old animated cave paintings found in France (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3472-Prehistoric-Animated-Cave-Drawings-Discovered-In-France)


I have a lot of respect for Graham Hancock's views. I don't agree with him on everything, but most things.

[Cidersomerset]

Archeologists tell us the Temple of Jupitor was built by the Romans on existing ruins
with their equivolent of cranes and pulleys. The Romans were great engineers!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Pentaspastos_scheme.svg/220px-Pentaspastos_scheme.svg.png

With equipment like this they built impressive structures...

http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2007/04/30/800x_b1_cCM_z/How-would-the-Romans-build-Glass-City-Bridge.jpg
http://www.toledoblade.com/Technology/2007/04/30/How-would-the-Romans-build-Glass-City-Bridge.html

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http://atheism.about.com/od/religiousplaces/ig/Baalbek-Temples-Lebanon/Baalbek-Stone-Pregnant-Woman.htm

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Built by Giants for the Biblical King Nimrod ....Arab tradition....

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This is a interresting vid...
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Ancient Egyptian stone work: Did they have access to high-tech tools?

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The Stone Mason has great skill but is working with a steal chisel not Copper !!


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This is an ancient technique used by stonemasons all over the world, in this particular case a sawyer, who is warily cutting these rough blocks, to a required size, using nothing but a precise series of different-sized chisels and meticulous blows, notice how the thumping sounds play an important role in finding that perfect spot for the next hit, landing all the blows in the exact place, right on the vein of the rock, there is only one way to split such solid stone, and that is by finding and consistently hitting the vein, it is a tricky task that an experience sawyer will pull off in a matter of seconds. Notice how the stonemason carefully carves a clear-cut and well defined gap and after he shoves a shorter, yet broader chisel, to finally finish the job with some sledgehammer action.

Sure enough all the accurate hits split open the solid rock, notice the precision of every single hit, and after each hit, the stonemason quickly twists the chisels before placing them in the next spot, finding this next spot is another difficult part of the job.

This film was recorded in the Southeastern part of Brazil, in the state of Sao Paulo, this was an area first colonized by the Portuguese, and later by Italians, mostly likely this was a technique inherited from the first European settlers.

[Ishtar]

Yes, Baalbek is really interesting. Cartomancer's got a lot of stuff on that.

Well, the Romans were great engineers, as were the Egyptians before them. I think the main problem is that we're taught to believe that our ancestors could not do stuff that we can no longer do, because the knowledge about how to do it has been destroyed.

[Cidersomerset]

And the Greeks, Chinese, Britons and other cultures ..LOL...You have set me off Ishtar ..LOL
Not sure where I'll end up yet ....I know you know what I'm posting, but people looking in
maynot.....


http://antiworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/parthenon_atop_the_acropolis__athens__greece.jpg

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Parthenon/Parthenon1.jpg


All this is mainstream and beautiful human architecture.....

[Ishtar]

Ancient Aliens Debunked deals with the Pyramids and Baalbek in this 14 minute section and it explains how the granite was cut (with no need for alien diamond laser cutters! ;))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zkzZM51LyE&feature=share&list=PLfBAovcuRFSI4WO_FkviKEEPShE9tOBCd

[The Arthen]

Any angle's good. Thanks for so many folks providing all of this.

[Cidersomerset]

Otzi the Iceman is aprox 5300 yrs old....

http://echostains.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/mann_v1.jpg

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His story is well documented...from the original 1993 BBC Horizon programme
to this presentation...

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I do not see why ancient aliens or man could not have evolved or visited us in the past...

If we have gone to the moon or there is a secret space programme or ET's are visiting
all subjects we speculate and talk openly on here about !! because mainstream won't !



Human Astronaughts ...2012....



http://blogs.voanews.com/photos/files/2012/06/RTR34CKG_China_Astronauts_29JUN12-975x675.jpg



Stone Age Humans 2012...There are still human living happily today in the remote parts of the world untill modern man disrupts them with progress !!

Watching the 'Gods' from the skies!!......... Like possibly our ancestors .....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Jx78YcF-F8U/TUrmTm_v5jI/AAAAAAAAEG4/lxnPgESgRIo/s1600/uncontacted_family-closeup.jpg

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New tribe discovered in Papua New Guinea

Posted on Tuesday, 29 June, 2010 | 29 comments | News tip by: Still Waters

A new tribe of hunter gatherers who live in trees has been discovered in the Papua New Guinea.

A tribe of hunter gatherers living in trees in the remote forests of Indonesia's easternmost Papua region has been discovered for the first time by the country's census, an official said on Thursday.

"Their houses are in trees, their life is stone age," said Suntono, head of Indonesia's statistics agency for the Papua region, adding the tribe built ladders to huts in tall trees.

http://www.cd-traveller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/huli-300x200.jpg

http://www.cd-traveller.com/2012/03/29/celebrating-stone-age-culture/

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http://blaquereporters.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/stone-age-in-civilized-world.html

The only other comment about the remaining Stone age tribes found over the last couple
hundred years none as far as I know had any grand stone buildings which makes you
think how did our stone age ancestors get 'kicked started' ?? Oh, We became farmers !!

Which I guess, thats what this thread is about !! LOL...

As I said ....50 shades of ' Greys'.....LOL...


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The Ancient Alien seeries for me is like , Coast to Coast put on TV....Entertaining with some threads of truth and many exagerated interpretations.
But better than nothing. Mainstream Archaelogy is based on interpretation as well....

Tony Robinson does a great quote on Time Team , which I could not find. Its on the lines
of get four different Archaeoligists in a room and you will get four different theories !!

So much for mainstream !!..LOL...Steve

[Kano]

Very cool. I'm interested in learning more.

[WhiteFeather]

Ishtar are there suggestions that ancient man actually utilized 100 percent of its grey brain matter. Hereby being able to create such Goliath Structures and thereby engaging total ingenuity... if you will? This has come to mind, and again no pun intended.

[Ishtar]

Hi Whitefeather .... I don't know if others have theories that man utilised all of his grey matter. It would make sense to me, though!

We also know that the early ancestors practised something similar to what we call today shamanism, and so they were able to gain information and guidance on how to do stuff from their spirit guides in other dimensions, in the same way that the shaman does today. For instance, Amazonian shamans work with the spirits of the plants to gain knowledge about how to use them as medicine. Some people think that the megaliths were built in the same way. Lucy Wyatt has written about this in Approaching Chaos (http://www.approachingchaos.co.uk/) (much recommended!).

[Cidersomerset]

Like Arthur C Clarks Mysterious world I watched as a boy to Grahams later Under World seeries. I know there is more to history than mainstream told/tell us !!


Dwarka, India - 12,000 Year Old City of Lord Krishna Found (Full)

Not great quality vid but you can make it out...

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Dwarka (Dvarka, Dwaraka, or Dvaraka, is a city in Gujarat state in India). Dwarka also known as Dwarawati in Sanskrit literature is rated as one of the seven most ancient cities in the country. The legendary city of Dvaraka was the dwelling place of Lord Krishna. It is believed that due to damage and destruction by the sea, Dvaraka has submerged six times and modern day Dwarka is the 7th such city to be built in the area. According to Hindu legend the god Krishna built a city which was ultimately destroyed by rising sea levels. Now archaeologists and Indian Navy divers are investigating underwater ruins at Dwarka on India's western coast, said to be Krishna's city. The new efforts, it is hoped, will settle the debate currently raging over the age and authenticity of the site near the Samudranaraya temple. Divers have collected blocks and samples which will now be dated. Traditional Hindu scholars referencing ancient Hindu scriptures believe the location to be very ancient, originally built many thousands of years ago. Such notions are, of course, vehemently rejected by establishment scientists though they are willing to concede that there is evidence indicating an age of as much as 3500 years.

Of course the date when the city was destroyed would be long after the date of its inception, so a definitive maximum date has not been established. The new study is expected to resolve some of the issues. Archaeologists will now use the carbon dating technique to determine the exact age of the ruins. The earlier excavations, that first began about 40 years ago, had only revealed stones, beads, glass and terracotta pieces.

Graham Hancock - Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms Of The Ice Age

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Updated vid....

32,000 year old underwater city found - Dwarka. flv

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32,000 year old Ancient city Dwarka found. In Northern India the remains of a city claimed to be Dwarka the City of "Lord Krisha"

This is a good quality vid,,,,

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i cannot find a mainstream article about Dwarka so thats why I cannot find a debunking vid..LOL
unless there is a segment on the debunking vid.I have not watched it all..

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Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge *Full*

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[WhiteFeather]

Hi Whitefeather .... I don't know if others have theories that man utilised all of his grey matter. It would make sense to me, though!

We also know that the early ancestors practised something similar to what we call today shamanism, and so they were able to gain information and guidance on how to do stuff from their spirit guides in other dimensions, in the same way that the shaman does today. For instance, Amazonian shamans work with the spirits of the plants to gain knowledge about how to use them as medicine. Some people think that the megaliths were built in the same way. Lucy Wyatt has written about this in Approaching Chaos (http://www.approachingchaos.co.uk/) (much recommended!).

I agree, And your perspective makes clear sense.... especially if we insert the 100 percent brain functions in the mix. The makings of a great recipe. No limitations!

[13th Warrior]

Unlike the creator and narrator of the film "Ancient Aliens Debunked" i never believed the series to be the preeminent authority on the subjects they covered...

I've watched the first hour of the program; there are some good arguments presented but, there is a lot of nit picking going on also.

I am convinced of nothing from both camps.

[Ishtar]

I believe that the ancient astronaut theory relies for its success on people considering the detailed scientific examination of the evidence to be ‘nitpicking’.

I know when I'm being lied to. I know when I'm being manipulated into a certain view. And that's when programmes purporting to be showing the evidence only cherry-pick the facts, or conflate two separate items, or ignore all the other attendant evidence which is inconvenient to their theory, or just basically lie.... and they are just relying on people feeling too over-awed by archaeological research to feel confident enough to examine the evidence for themselves.

That's why I like Chris White's video, because it tells the whole story about each piece of so-called evidence produced in the Ancient Astronauts series, so that people can make up their own minds. And it doesn't feel the need to use a backing sound track of creepy music to try to influence them either ~ for me, creepy music is a dead giveway that someone's trying to appeal to my emotions.

[Cartomancer]

Well this kind of destroys the whole Tsoukolous Von Daniken camp doesn't it? Why would the PTB want to lie to you about the existence of Aliens? Could be that they used this concept from day one to create a heart of darkness by subjugating native peoples with all this poppycock? Likely.

To me its starting to look even as if people came to the new world long before we are being told in an attempt to install this kind of mind control b.s. in the psyche of the aboriginal population. In the end it didn't work and the European powers were forced to return and subjugate the population using conventional means. This is probably the reason we are told Columbus discovered North America when we know people from Europe had been here long before that.

Even the original seed of the ancient aliens myth in the Sumerian cuneiform tablets could have easily been produced to have the same effect on the population there. If you build it they will come.

What is hilarious to me is the fact that Chris White the producer of this 'film' is a seemingly conservative Christian. All of the dogma he believes can be shredded using the same logic he uses here to debunk ancient aliens.

[13th Warrior]

I believe that the ancient astronaut theory relies for its success on people considering the detailed scientific examination of the evidence to be ‘nitpicking’.

I know when I'm being lied to. I know when I'm being manipulated into a certain view. And that's when programmes purporting to be showing the evidence only cherry-pick the facts, or conflate two separate items, or ignore all the other attendant evidence which is inconvenient to their theory, or just basically lie.... and they are just relying on people feeling too over-awed by archaeological research to feel confident enough to examine the evidence for themselves.

That's why I like Chris White's video, because it tells the whole story about each piece of so-called evidence produced in the Ancient Astronauts series, so that people can make up their own minds. And it doesn't feel the need to use a backing sound track of creepy music to try to influence them either ~ for me, creepy music is a dead giveway that someone's trying to appeal to my emotions.


I know when I'm being lied to.

The problem is you've allowed yourself to be deceived; it wasn't Ancient Aliens.

One example of nitpicking that i'm referring to is a thorough debunking of a statement that Georgio Tsoukalos makes where he has clearly stated "in my opinion"

You cannot disprove someones opinion.

It's your choice to believe someones opinion as a fact but, you'd be a fool to do so...

I would like to see more evidence to support the claim that these stone structures where made by using primitive stone hammers/techniques as this is the main basis of argument.

I've gone to the website linked to from the debunking video to look for the links that where said to be provide but, there is nothing...

I am familiar with primitive stone working in the form of "knapping" but, i know very little about the methods described by the Debunking video which seem to be a drastically different method then knapping. Can anyone provide a link(s) to more material on these techniques; i'm especially interested in a video demonstration of the work in-progress?

[Ishtar]

Sorry, I don't follow you, 13th Warrior. How have I become deceived? I said that I know when I'm being lied to? So how does that follow that I would be deceived?

I never was a believer in the ancient astronaut theory and have posted quite a lot on here against it, in the past... particularly about Sitchin's false claims about the Sumerian texts which relied on nobody actually reading them. I never allow myself to believe in something for which there is no evidence... and there is no evidence that ancient astronauts were here that cannot be explained by other means.

Can you tell me which stone knapping tools you're interested in seeing, because he mentions several different stone knapping tools in different parts of the video? Thanks.

[13th Warrior]

Sorry, I don't follow you, 13th Warrior. How have I become deceived? I said that I know when I'm being lied to? So how does that follow that I would be deceived?

I never was a believer in the ancient astronaut theory and have posted quite a lot on here against it, in the past... particularly about Sitchin's false claims about the Sumerian texts which relied on nobody actually reading them. I never allow myself to believe in something for which there is no evidence... and there is no evidence that ancient astronauts were here that cannot be explained by other means.

Can you tell me which stone knapping tools you're interested in seeing, because he mentions several different stone knapping tools in different parts of the video? Thanks.

Knapping was never mention in the video as far as i've seen it...

Knapping mainly involves pressure and percussion flaking of the stone material, where only certain types of stone media are utilized such as flint and chert; granite and the like cannot be knapped because of the stones structure.

The video suggests that the stones have been shaped with "stone hammers" with the technique being that the stone is pulverized away as the main shaping technique.

[Ishtar]

Alright, it's a three hour long video discussing how various megalithic structures were created, so I can't tell which stones and stone hammers you mean unless you tell me. I will ask one of the archaeos on my forum to help you find them, but they need to know what exactly you're looking for.

[Peace of Mind]

Before I came to the internet I believed in aliens, but my beliefs has dwindle drastically due to the many discrepancies in the material and testimonies. My research has lead me to this conclussion.

When I first heard about this show being shown through the mainstream media I knew something wasn’t right. When deciphering all the material and weighing it with the important matters in life one can see that the elites are making desperate attempts in getting the populace to believe in their alien agendas. It’s become ingrained into the minds of many, so much so that some even believe that they’ve had experiences with such beings. Over the last few months/years I’ve been monitoring a lot of these websites and their activities. The brain washing is becoming very strong, and many people are casting away their rationale (quickly) in exchange for unconfirmed fantasies. As time passes clarity sets in my mind and makes itself comfy. With all the proof out there (or lack of) I’m starting to realize that this whole subject might just be a Hugh project that has been carefully crafted over years to carefully train the minds of the sleeping giant (humans).

It’s gotten to the point that many people consider ET to be true and not ONE person can prove their existence (strange, huh). That one fact should be the smoking gun, but the masses are just so trained to believe because they aren’t really excited about their own dormant abilities, their actions speak louder than their words. There are a lot of agents/ brainwashers on the internet. Anyone making you believe in something that they can't even prove themselves is an experienced agent. Why else would they do such things? what do they have to gain? (think about it).

People have wasted so much of their time and energy looking for things that are not there, wasted time and energy talking about something that is not there, talking about space, planets, galaxies as if they have personal experiences with such things, but in fact their only experiences is what was thought to them by the same people they don’t trust. I don’t know how many times I’ve pointed that out to people, yet they still ignore the obvious advice to further their own research when talking about the cosmos. Instead they take what was told/taught to them and base all their other unproven alien talk around these unproven ideologies…all the while consistently neglecting the very things that is hindering their life. And we wonder why there’s so much confusion and negligence in the world? Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one to recognize these obvious distractions.

The internet has been around for a while (created by DARPA), it’s been around way before the average person had access to it. The internet is a tool that is often used to craft the minds of the public, anything that the governments doesn’t want on it is taken down, almost immediately. So why isn’t the alien stuff taken down? Simple. Because they are fabrications, they are there to create a mind set; keep people minds on the program so they will remain confused, idled, while promoting tptb agendas.

Humans are raised to have inflated egos, to make sure society stays divided and controlled, society is trained to think they are individually smarter than the next (instead of being a contributor to the whole). This is often done by reciting and building off of taught unproven theories instead of substantial facts. I’ve been on the internet (and elsewhere) researching this alien subject for more than I care to admit, and since day one I've found nothing of any significance, nothing to prove any of it to be authentic. This is a hugh problem for society because they may all be deliberately lead into a trap. How can we not see this, in the least consider it?

When I look into the sky... all I see is lights and that’s all I can confirm, it’s all any of us can confirm. I’ve yet to fly in a spaceship, and/or experience any effect of these lights and/or the outerspace enviroment on my life. So, knowing that fact I choose to concentrate only on what is on the planet and deal with those issues (collectively) rather than have my head in the clouds all day dreaming, especially when there is so much to be done down here. As of now, Humanity is in bigger trouble than they think and we can't blame any one but ourselves because we steadily, consistantly overlook what's really important. This not only concerns me, it saddens me that this isn't an obvious issue to the rest of us.

Peace

[13th Warrior]

Alright, it's a three hour long video discussing how various megalithic structures were created, so I can't tell which stones and stone hammers you mean unless you tell me. I will ask one of the archaeos on my forum to help you find them, but they need to know what exactly you're looking for.

What i'm getting from you is that you don't understand the techniques well enough to effectively communicate and that's fine, perhaps someone else can provide the information i'm looking for?

I'd like to bring up another point of contention regarding the theory that these massive structures were built by manpower means. These workers would have been expending massive amounts of caloric energy over the time it would have taken to build these structures; consider this, a lumber jack felling trees with ax and buck saw would have consumed 9000 calories a day. I would guess that these stone masons wouldn't have been too far off in their caloric needs. This would have put a enormous strain upon the natural resources just trying to keep the work force feed; this could have very well led to the down fall of these civilizations.

[Cartomancer]

Ancient Aliens is produced by Prometheus Entertainment. Need any more evidence as to why you might doubt what they are saying?

[jagman]

I dont buy everything big hair George sells but he like Erich von Daniken have raised some questions that simply cannot be addressed
by todays science. Example Pumapunku Science wants us to believe that men barely out of the stoneage created
these structures, which our best stone cutters today could only achieve on alot smaller scale. I just dont buy it. Although I do respect your opinion
Ishtar.

[Ishtar]

Thanks, that's nice of you, Jagman. ;)

I think the label Stone Age has been a bit misleading. We have been given to understand by the mainstream media that they were grunting, crotch scratching cave men but the suppressed evidence belies that. In the Neolithic, in the case of the ancient Egyptians, one thing that's been kept very quiet is that they had lenses (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3434-Egyptology-s-willful-blindness-to-the-opthalmic-technology-used-in-the-Great-Pyramid&highlight=lenses)....hence the precision. They also used copper saws and obsidian tools (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3441-Origin-and-trade-routes-of-Syrian-obsidian-determined) for cutting what was largely relatively soft sandstone, apart from the few granite sections. There are further explanations that make sense to me in the video, so I hope you get the chance to watch it.

[WhiteFeather]

Ishtar...Just dug this up, a post i created awhile back. Have a gander.

Were Stones Softened To Build Peru's Ancient Structures? Could the stones that were used to build the huge structures in Peru with precise masonry been done by simply softening the stones with a liquid from a plant that was found in the jungles?

In one place in his diaries he records a remarkable conversation with another explorer concerning an unusual forest bird that nests in perfect round holes in rock cliffs. The man had actually spent 25 years living in the forests with the local natives and he had this to say:
“They make the holes themselves. I've seen how they do it, many a time. I've watched, I have, and seen the birds come to the cliff with leaves of some sort in their beaks, and cling to the rock like woodpeckers to a tree while they rubbed the leaves in a circular motion over the surface. Then they would fly off, and come back with more leaves, and carry on with the rubbing process. After three or four repetitions they dropped the leaves and started pecking at the place with their sharp beaks, and—here's the marvelous part—they would soon open out a round hole in the
stone...” "'Do you mean to say that the bird's beak can penetrate solid rock?'
“...No, I don't think the bird can get through solid rock. I believe, as everyone who has watched them believes, that those birds know of a leaf with juice that can soften up rock till it's like wet clay.’' "The man continued with a personal story about his nephew. He had walked through the thick bush to a nearby camp to retrieve his horse, which had gone lame and had been left there temporarily. He noticed, when he arrived, that his New Mexican spurs had been eaten away almost completely. The owner of the camp asked him if he had walked through a certain plant about a foot high, with dark reddish leaves. The young man said he had walked through a wide area that was completely covered with such plants.
“'That's it!’ they said, ‘That’s what's eaten your spurs away! That's the stuff the Incas used for shaping stones. The juice will soften rock up till it's like paste. You must show me where you found the plants.' But when they retraced the young man's steps they were unable to locate them.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35579-Were-Stones-Softened-To-Build-Peru-s-Ancient-Structures

[SilentFeathers]

I think the label Stone Age has been a bit misleading. We have been given to understand by the mainstream media that they were grunting, crotch scratching cave men but the suppressed evidence belies that. In the Neolithic, in the case of the ancient Egyptians, one thing that's been kept very quiet is that they had lenses (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3434-Egyptology-s-willful-blindness-to-the-opthalmic-technology-used-in-the-Great-Pyramid&highlight=lenses)....hence the precision. They also used copper saws and obsidian tools (http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3441-Origin-and-trade-routes-of-Syrian-obsidian-determined) for cutting what was largely relatively soft sandstone, apart from the few granite sections. There are further explanations that make sense to me in the video, so I hope you get the chance to watch it.

YIKES!!!! I often grunt, and sometimes growl, my wife even says I howl in my sleep......I also hate to admit it but I occasionally scratch my crotch (and even itch my butt sometimes)......AND have hair growing in strange places; What's even worse is that I like to collect rocks and have been known to carve things!

HMMM???? Some things never change......

[BenjiRixon]

Ishtar...Just dug this up, a post i created awhile back. Have a gander.

Were Stones Softened To Build Peru's Ancient Structures? Could the stones that were used to build the huge structures in Peru with precise masonry been done by simply softening the stones with a liquid from a plant that was found in the jungles?

In one place in his diaries he records a remarkable conversation with another explorer concerning an unusual forest bird that nests in perfect round holes in rock cliffs. The man had actually spent 25 years living in the forests with the local natives and he had this to say:
“They make the holes themselves. I've seen how they do it, many a time. I've watched, I have, and seen the birds come to the cliff with leaves of some sort in their beaks, and cling to the rock like woodpeckers to a tree while they rubbed the leaves in a circular motion over the surface. Then they would fly off, and come back with more leaves, and carry on with the rubbing process. After three or four repetitions they dropped the leaves and started pecking at the place with their sharp beaks, and—here's the marvelous part—they would soon open out a round hole in the
stone...” "'Do you mean to say that the bird's beak can penetrate solid rock?'
“...No, I don't think the bird can get through solid rock. I believe, as everyone who has watched them believes, that those birds know of a leaf with juice that can soften up rock till it's like wet clay.’' "The man continued with a personal story about his nephew. He had walked through the thick bush to a nearby camp to retrieve his horse, which had gone lame and had been left there temporarily. He noticed, when he arrived, that his New Mexican spurs had been eaten away almost completely. The owner of the camp asked him if he had walked through a certain plant about a foot high, with dark reddish leaves. The young man said he had walked through a wide area that was completely covered with such plants.
“'That's it!’ they said, ‘That’s what's eaten your spurs away! That's the stuff the Incas used for shaping stones. The juice will soften rock up till it's like paste. You must show me where you found the plants.' But when they retraced the young man's steps they were unable to locate them.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35579-Were-Stones-Softened-To-Build-Peru-s-Ancient-Structures

possibilities of how crystal skulls were made? just a thought............

[Cidersomerset]

This is a pre Ancient Alien doc.....made 1996 and shows the then new breed of alternate researchers....

I have watched this a couple times before and have just again and is good imo....

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The creators of the Emmy Award Winning Mystery of the Sphinx present a revolutionary new film that examines one of our greatest mysteries:
Man's origins. Hosted by Charlton Heston, this film challenges what we are being taught about human evolution and the rise of early civilization.
A new breed of scientific investigators present startling evidence that the academic community has quietly ignored.

A bit of Trivia just found out Charton Hestons real name was John Carter ..,,,,

[meeradas]

I'd really like to try carving some sandstone with an obsidian tool now.
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[WhiteFeather]

I'd really like to try carving some sandstone with an obsidian tool now.

LoL....Me too Meerads, As Im still trying to figure out how to work with the latest modernized tools. I'm All Thumbs!

[Cidersomerset]

This is a award winning program from BBC childrens channel....Amusing but not to inspiring!!


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[Ishtar]

Guys, some of you will know about these, but for those who haven't yet heard of the prehistoric cave paintings in France and Spain, this may come as a surprise.

There are probably hundreds of them, but here's a few examples of these cave paintings, the first from Chauvet in France, thought to be up to 35,000 years old.

http://www.experienceardeche.com/rte_img_large_193.jpg

http://www.theequinest.com/images/prehistoric-2.jpg

This one from Lascaux caves in France and is dated to between 15,000 and 20,000 years old

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LTDarCYdGZc/S7GLFGUs5OI/AAAAAAAABaY/3K8hSDkuoGI/s1600/Lascaux+Cave+Paintings+1.jpg

This one is from the Altamira caves, in Spain, again around 35,000 years old.

http://jenniferdorfeld.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/spain-cave_1387905c1.jpg

They were painted with paint and brushes. The paint was made with water, plant juice, animal blood, soil, charcoal, and hematite (iron oxide) all mixed together. The brushes were made with sticks, small stones, leaves, and animal hair.

It was recently discovered that they used candle light to get an animated effect and the acoustics are also quite amazing, and so they had, in effect, created their own audio visual theatre.

[apokalypse]

how they carried many mile and the lift of 800 tonnes of stone? what about the those pyramids align with the stars and among other measurement according the the earth? alot of question still unanswered just typical what people on Mainstream have said all along using ancient tools with hammer and chisel.

[Ishtar]

And this one from Lascaux (probably circa 25,000 years old) is quite special because it's thought to show the Taurus constellation with the seven dark splodges as the Pleiades.

http://www.ps-19.org/Crea00Intro-Ps19/Astronomy_files/Pleiades-Taurus-Orion.jpg

[Ishtar]

how they carried many mile and the lift of 800 tonnes of stone? what about the those pyramids align with the stars and among other measurement according the the earth? alot of question still unanswered just typical what people on Mainstream have said all along using ancient tools with hammer and chisel.

Hi apokalypse,

One of the things we're never taught about was that our ancestors, certainly at the time when the pyramids were built, were expert astronomers. I can recommend a very good book about how they measured the stars by Crichton Miller called The Golden Thread of Time (http://www.crichtonmiller.com/), and in it he explains how they used a device shaped like a Celtic cross, with moveable parts, and a standard Rule, for this purpose.

The pyramids are largely made of sandstone and dug out of a sandstone plateau, in situ, and sandstone is soft and easily workable with hammer and chisel. Also they would have used obsidian tools, plus saws made of a strong copper alloy mixed with arsenic and nickel. There is some granite and that was hauled from the Aswan dam. Thick ropes have also been found which are made of papyrus.

[SilentFeathers]

how they carried many mile and the lift of 800 tonnes of stone? what about the those pyramids align with the stars and among other measurement according the the earth? alot of question still unanswered just typical what people on Mainstream have said all along using ancient tools with hammer and chisel.

Hi apokalypse,

One of the things we're never taught about was that our ancestors, certainly at the time when the pyramids were built, were expert astronomers. I can recommend a very good book about how they measured the stars by Crichton Miller called The Golden Thread of Time (http://www.crichtonmiller.com/), and in it he explains how they used a device shaped like a Celtic cross, with moveable parts, and a standard Rule, for this purpose.

The pyramids are largely made of sandstone and dug out of a sandstone plateau, in situ, and sandstone is soft and easily workable with hammer and chisel. Also they would have used obsidian tools, plus saws made of a strong copper alloy mixed with arsenic and nickel. There is some granite and that was hauled from the Aswan dam. Thick ropes have also been found which are made of papyrus.

Your buying in to the Debunker video as others buy into the Ancient Alien series.....it could be either way.

Back in the days our children didn't have to get on the school bus and leave home everyday, mom and dad didn't have a job that if they were 5 minutes late they'd be fired, so there fore time was spent much differently..........

Today were are spiritually broken and massively distracted compared to our ancestors, most people can't even describe what the moon looks like.

[mosquito]

Hi Ishtar,

I enjoy 'Ancient Alens' not necessarily because I believe everything that's said, but because it has opened my mind to the possibility that we were visited in the distant past, and it's awakened me to a different possible explanation for various of our global myths and legends. For example - the virgin birth story; how much more plausible it is that a young girl was impregnated by an alien than by "the holy spirit" ! And I can imagine this theory would seriously piss-off the christian fundamentalists and would trigger a "debunking" backlash. Also the various legends about battles being fought in the sky between "flying crosses" and such like, which is more likely to be a description of what the local people actually SAW, using language appropriate to the state of their technological understandings. That doesn't necessarily mean they were witnessing aliens, the battle could just as easily have been between warring civilizations from another part of the planet.

So I think we should remain open to ALL possibilities. If I can find a non-youtube version of the doco, I'll watch it.

[Vitalux]

Ishtar :drum:

How would you explain this mystery THE DOGON TRIBE?

In 1971, the American author Robert Temple published a controversial book entitled The Sirius Mystery where he claimed that the Dogons (an ancient African tribe from Mali) knew details about Sirius that would be impossible to be know without the use of telescopes. According to him, the Dogon understood the binary nature of Sirius, which is, in fact, composed of two stars named Sirius A and Sirius B. This lead Robert Temple to believe that the Dogons had “direct” connections with beings from Sirius. While some might say “you can’t be Sirius” (sorry), a great number of secret societies (who have historically held within their ranks some of the world’s most influential people) and belief systems teach about a mystic connection between Sirius and humanity.

In Dogon mythology, humanity is said to be born from the Nommo, a race of amphibians who were inhabitants of a planet circling Sirius. They are said to have “descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder” and imparted to humans profound knowledge. This lead Robert Temple to theorize that the Nommos were extraterrestrial inhabitants of Sirius who travelled to earth at some point in the distant past to teach ancient civilizations (such as the Egyptians and Dogons) about the Sirius star system as well as our own solar system. These civilizations would then record the Nommos’ teachings in their religions and make them a central focus of their Mysteries.

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

The chiselled pictures seen on the walls of some of these buildings is identicle to meditational visions had by my self and many other people obviously including the people who made them.

My question is why would they go to all the trouble making these carvings if they were not of interdimensional beings?

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Ishtar those paintings are beautifull and proves they were just like you and me !!


It was recently discovered that they used candle light to get an animated effect and the acoustics are also quite amazing, and so they had, in effect, created their own audio visual theatre.


I came across this yesterday and was not sure if it was a old effect or a modern artists impression ? But looks like it was the first movies ..LOL

Maybe used to illustrate Hunters, Shamans or childrens stories by candlelight ?


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I loved the Flintstones after school .!! This episode brings them to the
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Published on 1 Jul 2012 by jtubepoxx
During a long weekend, the Flintstones and the Rubbles take a trip to the 21st century thanks to the Great Gazoo.
This 1966 episode aired during the final season of The Flintstones and can be found on DVD from Warner Home Video

[Ishtar]

Your buying in to the Debunker video as others buy into the Ancient Alien series.....it could be either way.

I'm amazed that you would assume that. I've given many examples on here of how our ancestors did things in the past, going back hundreds of thousands of years, from my own forum, and gathered from my own research over decades. Because of that research, I know the Ancient Aliens people are lying and for that reason, I have never believed in their case.

I'm just posting this Debunker video here because I know many people prefer to watch videos than to read through endless papers.

I have separately and independently arrived at many of the conclusions Chris White reaches here.... although I admit, the Egyptian saw made from copper alloy of nickel and arsenic was new to me.

I believe that if you are cognitively predisposed to see evidence of ancient aliens, you will see it everywhere. And psy-ops over hundreds of years have ensured that we are pre-disposed to see it. Even in the Ancient Alien series, all the usual sleight-of-hand tricks of psy-ops are on full display, although it's often done subtly and bypasses the conscious mind.

For example, the constant insistence that "archaeologists are amazed by..." and "archaeologists are baffled" and "archaeologists have never been able to figure out..." gives an impression of a world of bewildered archaeologists staggering around, when nothing could be further from the truth. Archaeologists, in the main, do understand what they're looking at because (unlike the viewer of the video) they have the technical and scientific knowledge to do so.

Chris White, whatever his motivations, has done a very good job in this video of explaining that technical and scientific knowledge, so that people can then make up their own minds about whether he has a case or not.

[Ishtar]

My question is why would they go to all the trouble making these carvings if they were not of interdimensional beings?

Yes, I think you're right, Nanoo. I think they were shamans having out of body experiences of interdimensional beings... in other words, the spirits.

[Ishtar]

Vitalux

The Dogon tribe did have very advanced knowledge about the stars and about astronomical processes that cannot be seen with the naked eye. But they weren't special in this, and this has been a huge misunderstanding because we've not been taught at school about the advanced star knowledge of the ancient Babylonians, the Egyptians and the Indians of ancient times.

I believe that they all got their scientific knowledge in the same way that shamans get information and guidance today, but going into trance and being instructed by their spirit guides, and then told stories about them which came down to us myths. These stories were orally transmitted, from mouth to ear, until others came along, much later, and wrote them down.

This is how, even today, the shamans of the Amazonian rainforest get their information about which plants to use for medicinal purposes. As a shaman, I also get direct information and guidance from my spirit guides. But the spirits are not ETs from this dimension that come and go on Earth. They are always with us, in a parallel dimension that is accessible through the shamanic trance.

Shamanism was slowly driven underground, starting from the solar priesthood who changed man's lifestyles from that of the nomadic hunter gatherer to one of the settled agriculturalist. The sun then became the centre of worship and the Mystery teachings began to replace shamanism, of which there was still a component that got initiates in touch with the intradimensional spirits. But then the Roman Christian Church wiped out the Mystery Groves and banned the teachings. In that way, they stopped individuals having their own relationships with the spirits, thus disempowering them.

Before the solar priesthood, the stars were immensely important to our nomadic hunter gatherer ancestors who usually moved at night, when it was cooler, and also they would navigate by the stars. Imagine as well how much clearer the night sky would have been with no light pollution, as we have today.

Their elders and teachers told stories about these stars, to help them remember the patterns in the sky, and these have come down to us as what we call myths. I hope that goes some way to answering this question:



In Dogon mythology, humanity is said to be born from the Nommo, a race of amphibians who were inhabitants of a planet circling Sirius. They are said to have “descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder” and imparted to humans profound knowledge. This lead Robert Temple to theorize that the Nommos were extraterrestrial inhabitants of Sirius who travelled to earth at some point in the distant past to teach ancient civilizations (such as the Egyptians and Dogons) about the Sirius star system as well as our own solar system. These civilizations would then record the Nommos’ teachings in their religions and make them a central focus of their Mysteries.

As I describe above, myths and the history of a civilisation are two different things. But unfortunately, many of the orally-transmitted myths of indigenous tribes were transcribed by Christian missionaries or Western anthropologists brought up in that tradition, and the Dogon was no exception. So my understanding of what happened here is that they were fed these myths through Western Christian lenses which represented them as history. The Christian church never has allowed the belief in myths as metaphors and has always literalised them.... hence the Jesus story.

Therefore, to me, the Nommu "imparting profound knowledge" were the spirits of the Dogon shamans.

For more about how the Jesuits set about systematically banishing shamanism and shamanic practises in Africa, there's a very good book by Malidoma Patrice Soma, a shaman who experienced it at first hand, and it's called Of Water and Spirit: Ritual, Magic and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman.

[Cidersomerset]

This is how the shamans of the Amazonian rainforest get their information today about which plants to use for medicinal purposes. As a shaman, I also get direct information and guidance from my spirit guides. But they are not ETs from this dimension.

Ion would say something like Shamans are closer connected to source , meaning non-physical the greater part of us all , and we are now coming back to our power thats why the veil is thinning and the 'Guf' (heabrew heaven) is emptying and everthing is about to come to a head. Then you go into the Ascencion material. But he has said the original cavemen were not decended like us ? I don't know what that means.But I am noticing many of the threads posted about things that at first do not seem connected are ! interresting....

[Ishtar]

Hi Mariposafe

I absolutely agree that we must always keep an open mind.... but not so much that our brains fall out. ;) I only shut mine when I know that I'm being lied to, and as I've written about in other threads on this forum, I believe that there is definitely an alien agenda which, shall we say, bends the truth in order to convince us of what they want us to believe.

I've have done a lot of independent research into our ancestors over decades, to try to find out what they were really like, as opposed to what I was taught at school. So my views are based on my own research, and therefore I feel that I'm standing on pretty solid ground... because it's not what someone else has told me to think. But in addition to that, I am also a practising shaman. That means that I go into trance and "journey", as it's called, intradimensionally, to meet with the spirits there, and from them I get guidance and help in all sorts of ways.

So when I read the ancient myths (I've studied mythology for more than 40 years) it seems to me that I'm reading the stories of the shamans of old, about their interdimensional journeys. I also see astronomical and scientific metaphors in these myths and although that may strange to some, to have to decode metaphors, it doesn't to me because that is the way the spirits convey information to the shaman...in metaphor.

I think you are right about that story of the gods impregnating humans ... and it's not just in the Bible, with the Nephilim being the impregnators. It's in just about every civilisation's myths during Neolithic times.... stories about gods or otherworldly being having sex with humans. But I've always read that as a metaphor for a natural biological process... for the impregnation of matter with spirit, which brings matter alive. This impregnating spirit is often shown as a serpent and as these stories are usually within the creation myths, that interpretation makes more sense to me.

To the shaman, all matter is alive ... not just plants, animals and human beings. Even a rock is a alive to a shaman, and the spirit of the rock can (and often does) speak to the shaman. Unfortunately, we've been taught that matter is dead or inert, so we've accepted that consensual reality. But I found that I soon as I started my training as a shaman, by going into the shamanic trance, my third eye opened and my view of Nature changed so that I began to see spirits in everything. (As nobody had warned me about this, it was a bit of a shock when it happened!).

The thing we often don't understand is that our earliest ancestors lived in three worlds while we have been deluded into believing that we just live in one. That's why stuff goes wrong for us, why life is so difficult for us... because our true status have been effectively hidden from us, and we don't know that everything is alive and that it is our birthright to be in touch with all-knowing spirits to guide us.

[Delight]

Great thead.
Was this Graham Hancock interview posted - good questions.
I love him.

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[Cidersomerset]

Great thead.
Was this Graham Hancock interview posted - good questions.
I love him.

Thanks Delight i am listening to it on and off in the background , i have not heard this one cheers steve...


Theres a good Graham Hancock interview on post 4 of this thread.....

[SilentFeathers]

I think you are right about that story of the gods impregnating humans ... and it's not just in the Bible, with the Nephilim being the impregnators.

Actually it was the "Sons of God" that impregnated human women and these children/hybrids were known as the "nephilim". The Sons of God seem to be a different entity than humans or nephilim.

These "Sons of God" mentioned in the Bible could be considered ancient aliens/astronauts.

I really do think the ancient astronaut theory is true to a large extent, but it is probably nothing like what 99.99999999% of the people on Earth (humans) think it is....(or as the ancient alien series portrays it). I believe it is way more spiritual and or "invisible and energetic" than physical......most likely why most spiritual experiences are "shaman-like" or "out of body" like.

"They are our relatives"

Of course there are most likely other physical life forms, but in our past (and in the now) I feel many "aliens" so to speak are quite spiritual or energy based. (vapor-like).....the whole universe may be a large glob of physical matter for the most part having a spiritual experience.


I didn't mean to poke you in the eye with my comment about "falling for the debunker" video, it was just a view of my own for a brief moment, I know you well enough to know where your coming from. (most of the time) :)

[Vitalux]

thank you so much for taking the time to explain that to me Ishtar.
At one time, I would have found it quite confusing to follow what you were saying, however now I have a bit more understanding and can relate.

You have opened up a new door to my awareness.....and I thank you for that.

-Peace, love, and experience

[Nanoo Nanoo]

So im very curious. How could our aincient forefathers have such intimate knowledge of astronomy? Some of their knowledge could only come from having charted and flown space imo or am i missing something?

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[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I enjoyed the series but was skeptical on the enthusiasm but thought it was an interesting theory that would never of been allowed on the terrovision if it wasn't debunkable.

This wasn't just a double bluff but an all out hilarious joke on behalf of the walking software that thought they had accumulated some special knowledge from the *TV*

There is so much more to it all. They put the mere fact that they were here before us into our heads. (err... yes thanks)

Plus lets not forget that they weren't just here before us but they made us. They have never left and dwell within dimensions that are blocked.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

My question is why would they go to all the trouble making these carvings if they were not of interdimensional beings?

Yes, I think you're right, Nanoo. I think they were shamans having out of body experiences of interdimensional beings... in other words, the spirits.

The Carving i believe is the representatives " marker " or " Identifier " my theory is that in order to have the correct spirit you must be able to recognise the marker. The shamans would as a test have to re create the marker as a study so that he has it well in mind for when making contact.

Recently i made contact with one of the council of 12. when its marker appeared to me i KNEW it was him. I could tell by the intricate and ornate markings he was one of the council. And the staeadfast look on his face was un mistakeable. So if i were to re create this in a drawing ( which i would never dare ) then this would be studying a marker to imbed it in my mind for the purpose of identification.

so in my opinion interdimentional beings are in fact alien species with the technology to be interdimentional. this is not much of a stretch. The video you present has debunked a lot of what these people report and clearly uncovers their eggsageration. But to deny their involvement at all is perhaps a strech too. Id say History has been historically altered to hide power. The information history gives us in truth we are not ready for.

Most of the things i have learned i would never share with anyone. it took 40 years to establish trust with them. So to pass this information on is not my place except for the specific information i have been asked to pass on and that is healing practices.

So do they exist now ? as in today ? Yes , so its plausible they didnt just appear recently ? Yes , so its plausible they had interaction with us all through our history ? Yes. But not as its been presented.

We have to do our own guess work and discover them for ourselves and that i can tell you is far more rewarding.

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[Delight]

Great thead.
Was this Graham Hancock interview posted - good questions.
I love him.

Thanks Delight i am listening to it on and off in the background , i have not heard this one cheers steve...


Theres a good Graham Hancock interview on post 4 of this thread.....

This interview is a blast
Joe Rogan Podcast #142 - Graham Hancock
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[1967sander]

Ancient aliens do exist but no one really knew what they saw so they created mythological objects / monsters. We only understand what we comprehend. Everything without reference is rejected by our brain. That's why the Chinese believed to see dragons. In fact they saw something very different and tried to describe the dragon with what everything they knew. So the dragon was born. A monster that has the features of several to the Chinese at that time known animals.

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Cheers,

1967sander

[Maunagarjana]

This article is Philip Coppens reply to the Ancient Aliens Debunked video:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/aaq_art5.html


note: And yes, Chris White and Michael Heiser are both fundamentalist Christians. Heiser went to Bob Jones University, btw. Not that it invalidates their arguments, but their bias should be known up front when viewing their video. They are defending an attack on their belief system by a rival meme.

[Cidersomerset]

I should point out I believe we may have been visited by advanced beings in our past and present ! in case that did not come over on my page one ramblings ..LOL...

The Annunaki came here searching/mining for Gold and maybe the origins of the winged serpeant myths and others....


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A bit of fun, Dragon myths say they flew out of the sky and coveted gold !

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRTMq4UbUfG8cNqEFd-wbSKzYzCIlMvLp8sEdMTyIjpnrrN1eXSA

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/116/b/1/the_annunaki_and_planet_nibiru_by_andyi-d3ex0ip.jpg

Of course there are other interpretations to all this but ' Gold' seems to be a common denominator ! All elites love Gold !!


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Gold has many qualities ....it is one of the very few super conductors of electricity and energy known to man. That alone will make it pecious

Jim Marrs - Monoatomic Gold , and ancient technology and much more !!...Speculation sure
but Jim connects a lot of dots and is very good imo...

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This has been posted before....

[zen deik]

Creationist -To think God created only man would be pretty vain ,which would fit for most of us .God being the creator would know how man thinks (take slaves ) (grays taste like chicken )would hide another race of beings from us for protection .(another galaxy ) (another dimension )....Evolutionist -It happened here .Billions of chances out there . Where are they ist -Would you want to live in a garbage dump ??? If you took a wrong turn and wound up in the middle of a garbage dump would you stay long ? There are a lot of mysterious things in the world and my jury is sill accessing all the evidence .I appreciate everyone's mental input ,,professional ,lay person ,children .Keep an open mind ...but don't let your brains fall out .What's life without a little mystery .

[zen deik]

Jesus taught in parables because we couldn't understand .Bet he was frustrated a lot or perhaps very patient .

[ExomatrixTV]

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~Article Chris White Debunked: http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1753