The Koch Brothers... Transforming every aspect of your life.... even your DNA

[AriG]

In light of a recent plea, please accept these links as a starting point in determining exactly who the dark forces are behind the conspiracy to control the planet. Please join me in the continuing research to further expose the agenda of Koch Industries. Let's dive down that rabbit hole together! Please feel free to post comments, links, research, questions... whatever you feel is relevant. Please note that bringing these forces to the light is in no way connected to the impending US presidential election, although they happen to be the money behind the Romney campaign. Presidential politics are peripheral to the bigger picture - the plot to destroy your soul.

www.kochind.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwqkl8BqSc

[Kano]

I'm ready to dive down the rabbit hole!

At the end of the day, our souls, vis-a-vis our consciousness, is all that we really have. I want mine protected and even strengthened.

This audio interview may not be directly related to DNA manipulation, but it certainly helped me fill in some blanks with regards to understanding how we can be manipulated through consciousness which in turn affects our DNA. I found it to be a fascinating listen. It's an interview with Dr. Richard Alan Miller with Kerry Cassidy. A must listen! Enjoy!

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Project_Camelot_12.html

[ThePythonicCow]

I am only 29 minutes into the above video as I type this. So far, it strikes me as blatant class warfare.

That is NOT to make any claim that the Koch brothers aren't a serious symptom of a major problem. But such (in my view) hit pieces are almost always just another part of the problem, the dynamics and intended resolution of which remain hidden behind the divisive tactics evident here.

The constant barrage of emotional triggers in this video are prima facie evidence that this video is putting its divisive agenda ahead of accurate and balanced reporting and clear understanding.

My first guess (just a guess) as to the underlying agenda: the Koch brothers are attacking America from the right (their thesis), and this video is part of the antithesis, attacking the blatantly wealthy (such as the Koch brothers) from the left. I suspect that the intended synthesis might look more familiar to a former Soviet "citizen" than to current American citizens who are familiar with their nations history.

[AriG]

Paul,

You are aware that it is Koch Enterprises/Koch Industries that sells the fluoride to municipal water supplies?

edit to add:

Koch Overview (source: http://www.kochind.com/factssheets/KochFacts.aspx

What is now Koch Industries, Inc. began as Wood River Oil and Refining Co. in 1940. Based in Wichita, Kan., Koch Industries is one of the largest private companies in America with annual revenues of about $110 billion. Contributing to the company’s continued financial strength is the shareholders’ long-time policy of reinvesting 90 percent of earnings. Since 2003, Koch companies have invested about $45 billion in acquisitions and other capital expenditures.
With a presence in nearly 60 countries and about 60,000 employees, Koch companies constantly seek to create the greatest value. They accomplish this by:
Applying Market-Based Management®, Koch companies’ unique business philosophy that brings the power of the free market inside the businesses to maximize value creation and succeed long term.
Fostering Principled Entrepreneurship™ and a culture that empowers employees to produce results and create real value.
Operating efficiently and safely, with a steadfast 100 percent compliance commitment.
Koch companies are involved in these diverse industries:
Refining, Chemicals and Biofuels

Flint Hills Resources, LLC, through its subsidiaries, is a leading refining, chemicals and biofuels company. Its subsidiaries market products such as gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, ethanol, biodiesel, olefins, polymers and intermediate chemicals, as well as base oils and asphalt. The refining business operates refineries in Alaska, Minnesota and Texas with a combined crude oil processing capacity of more than 800,000 barrels per day. The petrochemical business includes production facilities in Illinois, Michigan and Texas. The renewables business operates ethanol plants in Iowa, a biodiesel plant in Texas, and has made equity investments in bioenergy companies. The asphalt business produces and markets product in the Midwest and Alaska. A subsidiary owns an interest in a lubricants base oil facility in Louisiana.

A Koch Supply & Trading company operates an 80,000 barrel-per-day refinery in Rotterdam, the Netherlands.

Koch Pipeline Company, L.P. owns or operates more than 4,000 miles of pipelines that transport crude oil, refined petroleum products, ethanol, natural gas liquids and chemicals. Another Koch company has a 28 percent interest in Colonial Pipeline Company, owner and operator of the world’s largest-volume refined products pipeline.

Process & Pollution Control Equipment & Technologies

Koch Chemical Technology Group, LLC and its subsidiaries design, manufacture, sell, install and service process and pollution control equipment, and provide engineering services for industries and municipalities worldwide. Subsidiaries include:

Koch-Glitsch, LP is a global leader in the design, manufacture and installation of mass transfer and mist elimination equipment. The company’s products are found in virtually every refinery and chemical plant in the world.
Koch Membrane Systems, Inc. develops and manufactures membrane separation systems for a variety of applications worldwide, including membranes for microfiltration, ultrafiltration, nanofiltration and reverse osmosis. The company also provides submerged membranes used in industrial and municipal wastewater treatment.
Koch Heat Transfer Company, LP designs and fabricates proprietary and custom heat exchangers for a global customer base.
John Zink Company, LLC and its affiliates are global leaders in ultra-low emission process burners, boiler burners, duct burners, flares and thermal oxidizers. The company is also a global supplier of flare gas/vapor recovery and vapor combustor systems.
Optimized Process Designs, Inc. provides consulting, engineering, design, procurement, fabrication and construction services for the natural gas and gas processing industries worldwide. OPD has been the general contractor on some of the largest natural gas plants built in the U.S.
Koch Knight, LLC is a leader in acid proof solutions. The company offers construction, engineering and services through a global network of manufacturing and outsourcing facilities. Its products, made from state-of-the-art ceramics and plastic materials, are available worldwide.
Minerals

Koch Minerals, LLC and its subsidiaries are among the world’s largest dry-bulk commodity handlers, marketing and trading more than 40 million tons of product annually. Subsidiaries include:

Koch Carbon, LLC globally trades and transports petroleum coke, coal, cement, pulp and paper, sulfur and other related commodities through a network of bulk import/export terminals in the United States and Europe.
The C. Reiss Coal Company is a leading supplier of coal and related products used in industrial applications or to generate electricity.
Koch Exploration Company, LLC acquires, develops and trades petroleum and natural gas properties in the United States and Canada.
Fertilizer

Koch Fertilizer, LLC and its subsidiaries own or have interests in nitrogen fertilizer plants in the United States, Canada, and Trinidad and Tobago. The companies cover global demand through terminals in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Australia, France and the United Kingdom. Koch Fertilizer, LLC and its subsidiaries have the capability to market and distribute more than 12 million tons of fertilizer products annually.

Commodity Trading and Services

Koch Supply & Trading companies around the world trade crude oil; refined petroleum products; gas liquids; natural gas, power and emissions; industrial metals; and other commodities.

KS&T and other Koch companies have traders or originators in Wichita, Houston, New York, Canada, Cayman Islands, France, India, the Netherlands, Singapore, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Polymers and Fibers

INVISTA B.V. and its subsidiaries are among the world’s largest integrated producers of polymers and fibers, primarily nylon, spandex and polyester. With a business presence in more than 20 countries, INVISTA materials go into items that enrich people's lives every day including clothing, carpets, luggage, automobile interiors, air bags and many other products. INVISTA businesses include Apparel, Intermediates, Performance Surfaces & Materials, and Performance Technologies. INVISTA delivers exceptional value for its customers through technology innovations, market insights and a powerful portfolio of global trademarked products including LYCRA® fiber, STAINMASTER® carpet, ANTRON® carpet fiber and COOLMAX® fabric.

Forest and Consumer Products

Based in Atlanta, Georgia-Pacific LLC and its subsidiaries are among the world's leading manufacturers and marketers of building products, tissue, packaging, paper, cellulose and related chemicals. Familiar consumer tissue brands include Quilted Northern®, Angel Soft®, Brawny®, enMotion®, Sparkle®, Mardi Gras®, and Vanity Fair®, as well as the Dixie® brand of cups, plates and cutlery. Georgia-Pacific has long been a leading supplier of building products to lumber and building materials dealers and large do-it-yourself warehouse retailers, with brands such as Plytanium® plywood, Ply-Bead® panels and Wood I Beam™ joists, and DensArmor Plus® interior wallboard panels, DensGlass® sheathing and ToughRock® drywall.

Ranching

The Matador Cattle Company, a division of Koch Agriculture Company, operates three ranches: Beaverhead in Montana, Matador in Texas and Spring Creek in Kansas. The ranches were acquired between 1941 and 1952 by Fred C. Koch, co-founder of what is now Koch Industries. Today, the ranches total about 425,000 acres under management, including about 240,000 deeded acres. The ranches wean about 10,000 calves annually and support more than 15,000 cattle. The ranches stock Akaushi cattle whose beef is prized for its marbling and taste. In Texas, Matador Ranch offers whitetail, mule deer, turkey, quail, hog and predator hunts on the main ranch and within permitted managed hunting areas and preserves. Matador Ranch is also engaged in breeding superior deer to supply this growing industry.

Last Updated: 07/2012

[ThePythonicCow]

You are aware that it is Koch Enterprises/Koch Industries that sells the fluoride to municipal water supplies?

I wasn't aware of that offhand, but it makes sense that they would be one of those selling fluoride, given their large industrial base.

To repeat a line from my previous post:



That is NOT to make any claim that the Koch brothers aren't a serious symptom of a major problem.
I am now almost finished viewing this video.

It continues to be a blatant hit piece. A hit piece on big time bastard is still a hit piece, and almost always such pieces as this are just another part of the problem, from the "other" side.

[AriG]

Paul,

It is a blatant hit piece and for a very good reason. Most people will not connect the dots - the producers had to appeal to them on their level with the sincerest hope that they would start seeking more information.[COLOR="red"]

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Does this corridor look familiar to you?

[AriG]

I need to ask a question: Why has there never been a thread or a major contribution about the Koch Brothers on this site? Is it international disconnect?

[ThePythonicCow]

It is a blatant hit piece and for a very good reason. Most people will not connect the dots - the producers had to appeal to them on their level with the sincerest hope that they would start seeking more information.

This is sad. The bastards in power (whose agents likely include both the Koch brothers and Robert Greenwald, the producer of this film) feed the people intellectual junk food and toxins in their schools and media, and then justify such rabble rousing hit pieces on the grounds that the people are too stupid to understand anything better.

On this forum at least we strive for a higher quality discussion.

[AriG]

It is a blatant hit piece and for a very good reason. Most people will not connect the dots - the producers had to appeal to them on their level with the sincerest hope that they would start seeking more information.

This is sad. The bastards in power (whose agents likely include both the Koch brothers and Robert Greenwald, the producer of this film) feed the people intellectual junk food and toxins in their schools and media, and then justify such rabble rousing hit pieces on the grounds that the people are too stupid to understand anything better.

On this forum at least we strive for a higher quality discussion.

Paul,

Meaning no disrespect here, but I have seen a lot lower quality discussion and much more sensationalism on other threads than this. Why does it feel as though you are trying to derail this thread?

[AriG]

Oh, one more item to add Paul.... the Koch Brothers are no one's agents. They run the show.

[donk]

lower quality discussion and much more sensationalism on other threads than this

Doesn't that usually come from more esoteric (non-physical/3D) type subject matter?

For information on Koch Bros and other evil entities (Monsanto and Halliburton spring easily to mind), this is not the place I would come to. Just my initial thoughts...haven't watched the video, don't disagree with either of you.

I see the importance of exposing these sick f***s as well as being responsible about it.

[ThePythonicCow]

I need to ask a question: Why has there never been a thread or a major contribution about the Koch Brothers on this site? Is it international disconnect?
The forum search engine is not perfect by any means, but it is able to return 134 results for "Koch". Just type "Koch" into the white box on the forum menu bar near the top of each page, right side, and then click on the adjacent magnifying glass icon to search.

Feel free to scan those results if you like to see what has been said of the Koch brothers and industries here.

[AriG]

lower quality discussion and much more sensationalism on other threads than this

Doesn't that usually come from more esoteric (non-physical/3D) type subject matter?

For information on Koch Bros and other evil entities (Monsanto and Halliburton spring easily to mind), this is not the place I would come to. Just my initial thoughts...haven't watched the video, don't disagree with either of you.

I see the importance of exposing these sick f***s as well as being responsible about it.

Everything I have provided thus far is from Kock Industries' and Koch Enterprises' websites- except the video - needed to provide a balanced POV. lol

[ThePythonicCow]

On this forum at least we strive for a higher quality discussion.

Meaning no disrespect here, but I have seen a lot lower quality discussion and much more sensationalism on other threads than this. Why does it feel as though you are trying to derail this thread?

Oh, one more item to add Paul.... the Koch Brothers are no one's agents. They run the show.
The Koch brothers presumably run the Koch brothers show :).

They are not the top dogs in this corner of the galaxy, and they wouldn't be as wealthy and influential as they are if they weren't serving some use in the larger schemes of things.

You have agreed with me above that this is a "blatant hit piece."

We strive for better here, on both this threads and other threads.

[ThePythonicCow]

Everything I have provided thus far is from Koch Industries' and Koch Enterprises' websites- except the video - needed to provide a balanced POV. lol
Here is the response of the Koch Industries General Counsel Mark Holden to this video: Fringe Video Maker Upset That Koch Defends Itself by Revealing the Serial Dishonesty in his Latest Attacks on the Company (April 2, 2012) (http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/serialdishonesty/)

No -- I am not defending the Koch brothers or their General Counsel either.

But if you idea of a "balanced point of view" is equally well armed combatants in a pie throwing contest, I might as well hand out pies for the other side to throw :).

[AriG]

Then I am guessing that you, as an Administrator Paul, speak on behalf of the PA community and are probably not interested in hearing more? My original post's intent was to lay the groundwork and to solicit the opinions of all members of the PA community. They hold you, the other administrators and the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread. You have successfully closed their minds and ears to more. Thank you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Then I am guessing that you, as an Administrator Paul, speak on behalf of the PA community and are probably not interested in hearing more? My original post's intent was to lay the groundwork and to solicit the opinions of all members of the PA community. They hold you, the other administrators and the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread. You have successfully closed their minds and ears to more. Thank you.
My views are my views. I sure hope that others don't mind disagreeing with me, and I know for sure that sometimes they do ... and sometimes they're right.

Please just know this much:

That video does appear to me to be a blatant hit piece.
You have agreed with me that it's a hit piece.
We do strive for better here.


For those who might be interested, here are some of the more useful, or at least readable, links I have come across in the last hour, as I researched the Koch brothers, this documentary and its producer Robert Greenwald:

‘Koch Brothers Exposed’ Documentary By Robert Greenwald Starts Streaming May 8 (Deadline.com, April 4, 2012) (http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/robert-greenwalds-koch-brothers-documentary-starts-streaming-may-8th/)
Robert Greenwald on the New Film 'Koch Brothers Exposed' -- the 1% at Its Very Worst (Alternet, March 28, 2012) (http://www.alternet.org/story/154741/robert_greenwald_on_the_new_film_%27koch_brothers_exposed%27_--_the_1_at_its_very_worst)
The Koch Brothers – Exposed! (Rolling Stone, April 20, 2012) (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/the-koch-brothers-exposed-20120420)
A Less Than Magnificent Obsession (Powerline Blog, June 22, 2011) (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/06/029308.php)
Liberal Group’s Video Assails Koch Brothers (New York Times, May 4, 2011) (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/liberal-groups-video-campaign-assails-koch-brothers/)

Both sides of the "aisle" are represented in this list.

[Lifebringer]

I found this very enlightening how this country was sold off 1871 after Lincoln's English hitman John Wilkes Booth was paid to assassinate US President for attempting to print the country's money backed by gold mined on "our?" own land? It's 2:58:15 seconds of pure facts and the identification of the noose American citizens are wearing now. Yes, they will get buck wild and harm US, and they've run that by themselves several times in the last 80 years if the people ever find out.
In the Constitution, they changed the size of the caps on the writing to caps to indicate the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which to the elites in big letters equals CORPORATE. I then saw Woodrow sell tis country off to the banks in 1933, after the bankers tried 3 times to own this country and was refused by SCOTUS back then. As WE can see, they now OWN this country lock stock and barrel and 80% of the Houses are their political henchmen. This is the problem there are NO people PEOPLE in the Houses and when they do get elected, they are confronted by a slew of bank owned and sponsors of elite, through the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U2kop-rNyY

The children must know they are pledging allegience to the CORPORATION of America. They were refused the passage of these laws until 1933.
Even FDR helped to put US here and he felt so guilty at the sight of poor American Whites and malnutrition in the country, that he put a stop gap for citizens to have something in their elder age, after "running the corporate life gauntlet in hopes of one day making enough money.

[TargeT]

Then I am guessing that you, as an Administrator Paul, speak on behalf of the PA community and are probably not interested in hearing more? My original post's intent was to lay the groundwork and to solicit the opinions of all members of the PA community. They hold you, the other administrators and the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread. You have successfully closed their minds and ears to more. Thank you.

his role here on PA is an "additional duty" to his postings here, unless he is referencing P.A. rules or acting as a moderator/admin (which he hasn't been doing in this thread, he is simply trying to point out something to you which I'm not sure you are seeing) it would be hard to consider his postings as speaking "on behalf" of the community as a whole.

I think you will find that other people have not commented on this because a lot of us agree with Paul's assessment (and we agreed before he made it in this thread…)

I for one choose to participate in the duality of politics as little as possible, and you are bringing a subject that is heavily rooted in that duality; if you'll read Paul's postings again and attempt to see his perspective on this topic I think you'll see where he is coming from quite easily.

I also do not feel that Bill, Paul or ANY of the staff here at P.A. are any "better than me" or are some type of "celebrity", they are just people and you expressing your frustration with Paul's logical responses by with this last post is an interesting method; are you trying to stir up support through self imposed martyrdom?


playing the victom card along with the topic of this thread makes it hard for me not to jump to conclusions about your modivation here.\



The children must know they are pledging allegience to the CORPORATION of America.


Did you know that the "pledge of allegiance" was written by a communist (probably for a very specific reason http://ask.yahoo.com/20010821.html ) and used to be saluted almost exactly like the NAZI party salute?

http://www.crotonblog.com/archives/upload/2007/05/american-school-children-bellamy-salute.jpg

the children should NEVER be pledging allegiance to ANYTHING, as that is not something sovereign people do... (and this is just a hint at how infiltrated we are...)

[SilentFeathers]

Oh, one more item to add Paul.... the Koch Brothers are no one's agents. They run the show.

Thinking these two brothers are no ones agents and are running the show is ridiculous. Power players? yes, running the show? not quite, they are just a couple of mice in the wheel helping to keep it spinning.....

[Belle]

AriG...my second ex-husband worked for Koch Industries when they had an oil and gas recovery company in Westboro, MA. My ex-husbands job had something to do with what today is called fracking. I have not only met David Koch, but had dinner with him, the accessory he wore on his arm, and my ex-husband.

The Koch brothers are out for the Koch brothers and promoting their own interests. Knowing what I know, they are only a part of the overall plan...one of many...and will use any means at their disposal to get what they want. Falling into line with the true ptb is the only way they can achieve their own ends...give a little, take a little.

Not saying they don't have their hands deep into the plan you mention....only trying to clarify that they are far from the top and only one of the many minions used.

fwiw.

[Fred Steeves]

My original post's intent was to lay the groundwork and to solicit the opinions of all members of the PA community. They hold you, the other administrators and the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread.

Here, watch this AriG. Paul, I hereby dissent with what you are saying on this thread.

There. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

[RunningDeer]

Then I am guessing that you, as an Administrator Paul, speak on behalf of the PA community and are probably not interested in hearing more? My original post's intent was to lay the groundwork and to solicit the opinions of all members of the PA community. They hold you, the other administrators and the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread. You have successfully closed their minds and ears to more. Thank you.
I choose to not participate because I'm not interested, not because of Paul's comments. Please don't lump me in like that. 'No one closed my mind and ears to more'. I make my own decisions on what's worth my time and energy.

Bill hit the thanks button, so to say that "...the site's founder in too high regard to ever appear as to dissent by participating in this thread.." doesn't apply. If anything, others will have a look.

PS There's a reason why they are held in high regard.

[Kano]

So part of the issue here is that the Koch Bros film that the OP provided was an introduction into a much wider gammut of information. This was merely the springboard to drill down into some more serious mischief if I understand AriG's intent (please correct me if I am wrong).

So having said that, the issue is not whether this is a hit piece or not. If you are focusing on the video, you are missing the point. This is a microscopic part of a macroscopic issue, but we have to start somewhere. It is my understanding that AriG has access to some very sensitive information that could benefit us all. And anyone who has worked with a whistleblower knows that in order to deliver sensitive info in a digestable way, you must drink cup by cup rather than trying to drink directly out of the fire hydrant.

I find it telling that one of the world's foremost (in my opinion) in working with whistleblowers (Bill Ryan) saw value in this thread and gave his "thanks". I suspect that he has read what AriG has disclosed thus far and would like to hear more. I would also like to know where this is leading.

"How long shall they kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look...?" ~ Bob Marley

[AriG]

Ok then folks. Enjoy the ride. You won't remember it, you won't know its happened, you just won't be you any longer. I have attempted to broach this subject with different approaches and am immediately flanked with the same players. Moving on. Thanks for your time.

[TargeT]

Ok then folks. Enjoy the ride. You won't remember it, you won't know its happened, you just won't be you any longer. I have attempted to broach this subject with different approaches and am immediately flanked with the same players. Moving on. Thanks for your time.

Courage isn't for everyone, if you need support to state your message, or are hesitant to say it out-right that is ok.

when you are ready we are here; I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on DNA modification, but so far have not seen that presented (that's why I clicked this thread originally anyway...)

[Lifebringer]

It's good to know what to focus on. Thank you.

It's gonna take all we can do to end the corporate tyranny.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxxx

[christian]

Maybe I'm a bit dull, but could you encapsulate for me how the Koch Brothers are transforming my DNA?

All I know about them is that they put out some free market memes but are unscrupulous and greedy when it comes to making business. They seem to kind of promote freedom but are using it irresponsibly.

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[AriG]

Alex Jones thinks that the Koch's are run of the mill neo-Cons? That is hilarious! Whose payroll is he on? You do know that the Koch's funded "W" don't you ( still do actually) Also funded Geo HW, Nixon, and were the drivers behind the Geo HW ordered Kennedy assassination?

Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over. I have knowledge, I don't have the paper trail. Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway. What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards. Our group was of the impression that the PA members were the most likely equipped to deal with the barrage of new truth-seekers who will catapult into another paradigm in one day.

To answer your question christian, investigate the MIT/Koch connection. Its hidden in plain sight.

[Flash]

As before, in one of your other threads, I am patiently awaiting the end of 2012 so that 2013 brings me new information.

You know very well, as we do, that PA will take it when the times comes. Depending if it is bits and parcels or a succinct, well explained, structured explanation of anything, the reaction will differ.

[christian]

You do know that the Koch's funded "W" don't you ( still do actually) Also funded Geo HW, Nixon, and were the drivers behind the Geo HW ordered Kennedy assassination?

I didn't. So they are ruthless opportunists, it seems. Fits with the hunch that I got anyways.


Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over. I have knowledge, I don't have the paper trail. Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway.

I don't even necessarily believe paper trails. But I'm willing to entertain a theory even without it. When the 2012 hullaballoo is over the next will already be in full spin. So why not come clear now with your knowledge? I mean, you suggest that I should devote my time to research something to come to a conclusion that you could just lay out. You want me to jump through hoops, not?

If this idea of "beginning a dialogue one piece of the puzzle at a time" doesn't work out now, then what? Humanity is then not ready and equipped to proceed deeper into the rabbit hole and we will become victims of the Koch's sinister agenda?

[ThePythonicCow]

What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards.
When you or anyone else is prepared to present more insights or evidence, I continue, as do others, to look forward to learning more how the genetics of humanity are being manipulated. That is a very important topic.

That discussion may well cast a long, dark shadow over some well known names. Whether those names be Koch, Bush, Gates, the Pope, or Joe the Plumber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_Plumber), ... that doesn't matter.

I am totally NOT defending the Koch brothers here. However, in my opinion, the style and content of the video in your opening post of this thread was little more than that of good old fashioned yellow sheet journalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism), brought forward to the age of Youtube videos. I don't think such material forms a good basis for an informed and aware discourse.

[AriG]

I bet you guys gave your parents hell on Christmas eve, didn't you. Patience... If you aren't interested in doing your homework, so be it, you'll get the answers in 2013. I never would have believed a fast food mentality would have existed here. Believe me guys... this situation is so surreal, so interconnected and so overwhelming, if you wait until 2013 to connect the dots? You'll wish you had started with an appetizer before plunging into the main course.

I love mankind. I love this earth, this universe, this experience and NO ONE has the right to manipulate it or us. I am not making any money from this, getting paid for this and have NO agenda other than the love of this vector. If I were in control of the information exclusively? You'd be picking yourselves up from your spilt chairs right now. Unfortunately, I am just the messenger. Hang tight. ok?

[RunningDeer]

Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over. I have knowledge, I don't have the paper trail. Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway. What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards. Our group was of the impression that the PA members were the most likely equipped to deal with the barrage of new truth-seekers who will catapult into another paradigm in one day.

To answer your question christian, investigate the MIT/Koch connection. Its hidden in plain sight.


Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway.

Why the cat and mouse game? Why not state this up front? What’s this the third thread that you’ve used the same tactic?


What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards.

The only thing I hear is: you little guys need for us Big Guys to spoon feed it to you. We’ve got the power and control and the secrets. You neeeeeed us.


What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece...

Begin to dialogue means keep us all busy being busy...

[ThePythonicCow]

investigate the MIT/Koch connection. Its hidden in plain sight.
My initial search finds heavy investment by the Koch brothers into genetic, cancer and DNA research at MIT: David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research (Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch_Institute_for_Integrative_Cancer_Research)
David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research at MIT (National Cancer Institute) (http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/mitccr.html)
The David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research (MIT) (http://ki.mit.edu/)
Koch Institute Core Facilities - Sharp Lab (MIT) (http://web.mit.edu/sharplab/core.html)
Swanson Biotechnology Center (MIT) (http://ki.mit.edu/sbc)
Apparently, they are rapidly increasing their capability to engineer DNA, including to analyze it, construct and modify it, and to develop new variations of life forms or modify existing life forms.

For one example of this work, from December of 2007, see this collection of papers: Working Papers for Synthetic Genomics: Risks and Benefits for Science and Society (http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/39658). Click the pdf link on this page to download the collection.

The titles of the papers in this collection of papers:
Sequence Screening
A Roadmap to the Assembly of Synthetic DNA from Raw Materials
Synthetic Viral Genomics
Impact of Synthetic Genomics on the Threat of Bioterrorism with Viral Agents
Risk Assessment of Synthetic Genomics: A Biosafety and Biosecurity Perspective
From Genetically Modified Organisms to Synthetic Biology:
Legislation in the European Union, in Six Member Countries, and in Switzerland

Key questions in my mind: what are they doing with this technology, and who are they, the one's behind this effort.

Is this just a beneficial effort of humans helping other humans by fighting disease and improving our food supply? Or are there also darker forces, using this technology to engineer the human species (as researchers such as Joseph P. Farrell conclude has already happened in the past, likely multiple times.)

[SilentFeathers]

I bet you guys gave your parents hell on Christmas eve, didn't you. Patience... If you aren't interested in doing your homework, so be it, you'll get the answers in 2013. I never would have believed a fast food mentality would have existed here. Believe me guys... this situation is so surreal, so interconnected and so overwhelming, if you wait until 2013 to connect the dots? You'll wish you had started with an appetizer before plunging into the main course.

I love mankind. I love this earth, this universe, this experience and NO ONE has the right to manipulate it or us. I am not making any money from this, getting paid for this and have NO agenda other than the love of this vector. If I were in control of the information exclusively? You'd be picking yourselves up from your spilt chairs right now. Unfortunately, I am just the messenger. Hang tight. ok?

Many here have great insight and intuition......you are not a messenger, you are doing nothing but playing a card and you conceal your so called "message" using a date everyone is familiar with (12-21-2012) as an excuse to lead people on and to put yourself above others.

YOU do not know the future or ANY absolutes that are in the future.....actions are not predetermined; hence, FREEWILL.

People here are not buying into your "experiment/project" and it is making you show anger in your posts.

People are really getting tired of manipulators and bull****ters...........

[Kristin]

AriG,

Hey there. Thank you for your efforts to begin a conversation here. Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I feel a little jaded. I've been here for a long time and seen many "whistle blower" testimonials come and go. I was never afraid of looking at the content and researching deeply into an issue. Koch is one spoke on a very large wheel, try Monsanto if you want to talk about genetic modification, for example. There are MANY out there to contend with. I feel your passion for this issue with respect to this one company, Koch. Thank you for drawing my attention to it. Remember that you are a sovereign being. It is your personal choice to be here doing this. You have many choices in front of you that are yours alone. Do not lose yourself in all of this. Be strong and know that you have support here. Never forget who you are.

However the rest of this post is directly for the people that you may represent:

You are saying that this is a "test" community for the information that you may have. From the prior posts you may have learned that we are a discerning crowd and that we do not need to be spoon fed information in small bites nor spoken down to. It is not a friendly way to try to begin a discussion. I will propose to you that waiting for the 2012 action to die down is a losing battle here. If you had researched the Avalon forum, as I assume you must have, then you would have found that this particular discussion died down here several years ago. We have looked into it and have all made our opinions, they will differ, but we own them. Please feel free to check into our archives on this matter. Not to say it will not come up again, I'm saying that it is a well known and participated in conversation which has not been the palm of interest here for quite some time. There are many interests here.

If in fact you have something to share that is of the utmost importance... and believe me, we are well adversed to the fact that there is a great deal of genetic modification going on presently and that it is affecting our health through vaccines, food, water, and air... then please do humanity a favour and let it out. Why wait until after 2012? Do you know how much damage can occur to the human genome in this amount of time? When it has been proven that trauma alone can even promote the mutation that causes cancer (take the Philadelphia gene for example)?

You have chosen a member to be your spokes-person for this, could not dragging out this matter put this person in possible danger and for a longer period of time? Personally I think you should have waited until after 2012 to even have mentioned this. There will always be an event or something happening on the planet that will draw attention away from what you feel you may have. What is at stake here? If this information is so important, have at it then. I am personally intrigued enough to listen.

This is NOT a matter of whether this community as a whole can handle it, it is the choices that you are making that create the idea that your intentions may not be on the level. That video for example. As a community we have seen information from people whom have made very astounding claims, and we all handled it admirably despite the occasional squabble.

Well I guess that is all I have to say.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Fred Steeves]

I bet you guys gave your parents hell on Christmas eve, didn't you. Patience... If you aren't interested in doing your homework, so be it, you'll get the answers in 2013.

You're full of crap AriG, straight up. How's that for some fast food mentality?

Shocked? Tell it to the squirrel.:cool: This is the final time I will respond to you, for what it's worth.

rfh4Mhp-a6U

Post Edit:

Yeah, there's a bit of 9eagle9 in me too...

[spiritguide]

AriG,

Tell us something we need to know and why we should know it. The expectation and awaiting for anything as you claim will not attract my energies above a glance. Sounds like the Sears bait and switch sales program. Your perceptions are welcome and respected, so why don't you represent yourself vs being a mouth piece for a hidden group. Secret groups are passe. IMHO

[RunningDeer]

It is understood that PA has had a lot of disruption and has suffered at the hands of those who don't deliver. I fully understand your reaction, but I am not withholding information. I am releasing it slowly over the course of the next few months....

However, if by majority consensus, the community here at PA has no desire to be involved, please find a way to communicate your wishes and we will seek another venue.


I am guessing that its fear. Its a lot easier to focus on the positive. Ostrich syndrome prevailing.

This is one area where everyone's attention should be focused.

Edit to add:

You know, just like all things earthly, there appears to be a wee bit of polarization here. We have the "just the facts ma'am" pragmatists and we have the souls who seek solace in other realms. What is missing here? Connection. And they are connected. (for now, but not if the PTB/PTW/etc, achieve their mission) One cannot exist without the other. Anyone denying the importance of either perspective is doing themselves a great disservice. It will take a multi-pronged approach to avert what is coming and in multiple vectors.


Think again. They want to eliminate the vast majority of the population, keep the remaining anesthetized and in perpetual servitude with no connection to their spirit and other incarnations, replace their consciousness with AI and your DNA is the vehicle through which they have been operating this program since 1943. You have thirteen years to address and reverse it.


...Of course, there is the issue of the application process. One would have to be really careful to not refer someone that they suspected wouldn't make the cut. That would't go very far in reinforcing awakening to the rejected party. I wonder if Bill and his team have ever considered putting together an " Avalon Junior " site for people who aren't quite ready for prime time? A place where they can show their backsides as they learn? (Not unlike the original intent for Earth).

Now, your first thread makes more sense. Was it in preparation for the post below this one? "...will only be introduced initially to Project Avalon members via password after the 2012 nonsense has come and gone."


There will be forthcoming links to videos that will only be introduced initially to Project Avalon members via password after the 2012 nonsense has come and gone. In the interim, wander down the quantum physics/mechanics path. Look into a little Euclidian theory, explore the mind bending concepts of Hilbert space ( all very real world subjects that relate to the multiverse and its effects in this vector of inner space). Read up on DNA and what's possible. This isn't science fiction. ..


You should join our Koch Brothers conversation http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50698-The-Koch-Brothers...-Transforming-every-aspect-of-your-life....-even-your-DNA&p=566559&viewfull=1#post566559

Recruiting the "little people".




Off topic - sorry Kano :)

Is this James Martinez featured on this cash flow for debt reduction the same man who was interviewed by PC? The link on PC is broken to the James Martinez interview

What's the deal with this site (cash flow)? It looks odd.

Off topic by design?




Not that I am an expert Paul, by any means, but you recently referred to yourself as a "fact checker".
My '"fact checking" persona' is not all there is of me :).

I am certain of that. There is brisket, flank, rump, tenderloin. Just kidding. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. You just mentioned that you wanted to have one of the experiences you mentioned. I didn't have them either, that is until I tempered my analytical side for a walk on the wild side :)

Moo!

What and why do people use condescension, aside for the purpose of superiority or malign a pillar of the community?


For the love of all that is holy, when did Bill start allowing the Illuminati membership to Project Avalon.

The feudal system is obsolete as are all systems of rule. Its lovely that the prince has had such a charmed life that he can experience the full range of his emotions as it relates to his wedding day.

Learn to take care of yourselves. Oh vey. :twitch:

What and why do people use patronizing tones besides the purpose of division?


Thanks Kano!

DNA is "where its at". Seriously. Google " reincarnate as a virus" and see who pops up. Face like a demon. I am sure you'll make the connection :)

You "little people", you.




Sorry Feathers, can't share that just yet. We will share this when the video is disclosed. After the Mayan "doomsday". Just doing a little prep work.

I greatly appreciate all the questions and want you all to know that I will share as much as I can until the video's release. Please note, this will alter the timeline drastically. There may be arrests. We have evidence ( not testimony ).

Have to sign off for now though, with my apologies. Have some work to do. And please, don't panic. There is time. This isn't going to be completed tomorrow. Only 40% of the world's population is now modified ( estimates) And for those healthy skeptics? Good for you! You should be. I know I was. Do you own research. It won't all be there, but there are many dots forming a pretty complete picture.

Please, even a 10 year old see through this mind game.


Flash,

I would suggest that the determination should probably be made by the originator of this thread. Personally, I see my content as being extremely relevant to "mass extermination". Its all connected.

For the record, no one seemed interested in this very important video or thread until we started generating content. Until this morning, there were only five replies since the OP started the thread. "Folderol, where's the t****".

Ari

Borrowed from Fred:

Yeah, there's a bit of 9eagle9 in me too...

[nomadguy]

We must question what the biggy's are doing, Like the Koch Bros and their co-hearts. It will be our peril if we do not. Or don't go ahead sit on the sidelines wondering. You might enjoy watching all the humans lose their humanity and slowly become robotic meat suits. The PTBs want a cure they can keep for themselves and the killer for everyone else. So they are atop the research for both cure and killer alike. This is no mystery.

[gripreaper]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

[SilentFeathers]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

Go re-read the Drake thread! It'll give ya some closure....

[Hervé]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

It seems your sighing is contagious, you know... like when someone starts yawning...

[Christine]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

Good to hear from you Grip. I was just wondering where you were and what you would say.

[gripreaper]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

Good to hear from you Grip. I was just wondering where you were and what you would say.

I've been around, just haven't been compelled to add my 2 cents. The Avalon archives are full of discussion on every conceivable subject and as Bill once indicated, he is not doing any more interviews because "they are all done" and archived.

Another way of saying that is: "There is nothing new under the sun" and especially here. I just think AriG picked the wrong diner with that approach.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsVCHE7ayPE?rel=0

[SilentFeathers]

Just read this thread. Sigh...

Good to hear from you Grip. I was just wondering where you were and what you would say.

I've been around, just haven't been compelled to add my 2 cents. The Avalon archives are full of discussion on every conceivable subject and as Bill once indicated, he is not doing any more interviews because "they are all done" and archived.
Another way of saying that is: "There is nothing new under the sun" and especially here. I just think AriG picked the wrong diner with that approach.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/vsVCHE7ayPE?rel=0

AriG and Drake will save us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we only had the wisdom (information) they have we wouldn't have a damn thing to worry about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilentFeathers]

Follow the money folk's......where does it all go??????? Does Saudi Arabia ring any bells???......and the Queen?

[SilentFeathers]

Quit being a coward and get some balls!!!!!!!!! We have to quit talking and start acting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Time is running short, be somebody other that an ignorant sheep!

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I need to ask a question: Why has there never been a thread or a major contribution about the Koch Brothers on this site? Is it international disconnect?
The forum search engine is not perfect by any means, but it is able to return 134 results for "Koch". Just type "Koch" into the white box on the forum menu bar near the top of each page, right side, and then click on the adjacent magnifying glass icon to search.

Feel free to scan those results if you like to see what has been said of the Koch brothers and industries here.

Haha i lol'd

[Bo Atkinson]

I was just listening to a short interview segment with Greg Palast, about half way through this:
http://prn.fm/2012/09/25/project-censored-election-fraud-presidential-politics-092512/#axzz28QLCHslo

Here is a blatant assertion, that the K brothers and other interests have billions invested in vote machine schemes.
That they may well be poised to pull it off again, but bigger and better...
(No need for project blue beam, humans roll-over real easy in the voting booths).
Or does it even matter, when the democons take over regardless of the puppet show.

Heres another mp3 i'll try today:
http://prn.fm/2012/10/04/greg-palast-hell-happened/#axzz28t6HZa00

Greg has some sort of new book here:

Billionaires and Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps
http://www.gregpalast.com/store/

[mgray]

AriG,
While you may think the Koch Bros. are right-wing evil doers they are only pawns implementing pieces of the plan.
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway does the bidding for the left wing. Buffett also funds Bill Gates' foundation.
If you look at the Forbes magazine's Richest 50 Americans you could build a thread on 49 of them as evil bastards.
The fact that you found the Koch's is all well and good, but you have only scratched the surface.
BTW, I do not subscribe to left, right politics. It's one plan with two playbooks to keep masses at bay, like a sport.
How much of US policy has changed since Jimmy Carter? No much, but master plan has moved forward.

[PHARAOH]

I thank the KOCH brothers for assisting in the destruction of the "SCHIP". This was the free medical for all poor children.

This is just the other side of the same coin. Another PYSOPS to get OBAMA in for another term. Poor Obama... how can he compete with the KOCH bros $??? Never mind the fact he would also benefit as he too is in.

Can't believe how many fall for such well produced "DOCU-DRAMA". Do you believe the KOCH brothers would not have private security, escort (by force if necessary) complete strangers from picnicking and setting up stage outside of his Palm Beach front home???

I apologize in advance for anyone who may have been offended by this post. JMHO :fish:

[Belle]

I think I understand what you're trying to do, AriG. But as you can see, trickled information doesn't work well around here...we've been around the block too many times with this sort of tactic. Rather than generate interest, this technique brings out the skeptic in all of us. To some, it is insulting...as though we need to be spoon fed information you think we cannot swallow whole...there are too many brilliant and saavy people on this forum who will pick apart and examine everything 'under a microscope', so to speak. If the first piece of information cannot stand on its own, there will be little to no interest in anything further. Thus far, you have presented nothing that many of us don't already know.

Besides, waiting until after 12/21? That's not even a blip on the screen for most of us...been there, done that....highly desiring of moving forward.

Speaking for myself, I require all the information...a complete picture...to form an opinion one way or another, or do further research if something doesn't ring true... instead of being led by the hand to reach someone else's conclusion. I have my big girl panties on....there's not much (if anything at all) that I couldn't handle or would even be surprised to learn.

If the people you work for are not fully prepared to release the information yet, then I'm more than happy to wait until they are ready.

Please rethink what you are trying to accomplish here and how it may best be done. You have our interest for now...please don't risk losing it by what may appear to be 'playing games' at our expense.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have posted a related thread at Monsanto could produce food that suppresses a specific gene in all who eat it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50743-Monsanto-could-produce-food-that-suppresses-a-specific-gene-in-all-who-eat-it).

[Kano]

I have posted a related thread at Monsanto could produce food that suppresses a specific gene in all who eat it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50743-Monsanto-could-produce-food-that-suppresses-a-specific-gene-in-all-who-eat-it).

The interview I posted in this thread with Richard Alan Miller, he discusses a similar scenario he has been privy to which deals with a bacteria we get from household pets that when mixed with a certain kind of wheat (most likely from Monsanto although I'm not sure if he says Monsanto specifically) makes a person what he calls "a Wal-Mart shopper". We've all been to Wal-Mart but I think you get the idea. The battle for your consciousness is on.

[Kristin]

Following a hunch, I started looking for links between Monsanto and Koch. It led me to find this article which I will paste in full:




"(Reuters) - Koch Industries' fabric company Invista went to trial in New York on Monday against DuPont Co to recover up to $744.6 million it says it is owed for dealing with problems at manufacturing plants it bought from the chemical company.

Kansas-based natural resources conglomerate Koch Industries Inc bought Invista from DuPont for $4.4 billion in 2004 as it sought to expand into textiles and specialty chemicals. The Invista brand makes nylon, which DuPont invented in the 1930s.

Invista sued DuPont in 2008 in Manhattan federal court claiming that it should be repaid for losses it sustained in addressing safety and environmental problems at factories in Texas, Canada and other locations.

U.S. District Court Judge Sidney Stein is hearing the case without a jury and the trial is expected to last up to eight weeks.

Invista's lawyer Martin Gaynor told a crowded courtroom that his client had warned DuPont as early as June 2004 about "the cascade of violations Invista was forced to deal with."

David Boies, who gained national attention when he represented then-Vice President Al Gore in Gore v Bush before the U.S. Supreme Court, is representing DuPont.

He argued that Invista had deliberately sought out problems it wanted fixed and for DuPont to pay for.

"They said 'let's go out and see how much of a plant upgrade we can get DuPont to pay for," Boies told the judge. "They sent their people out all over the world to find problems that 'we can get DuPont to pay for.'"

DuPont argues it is not liable for any of the costs Invista is suing to recover because Invista violated contract terms governing environmental indemnification spelled out in the purchase agreement. Invista maintains that DuPont is liable under environmental laws and misled Koch about the health and safety conditions at its plants.

DuPont sold the Invista business to cull debt, and fuel growth in its agricultural and food units.

Today, DuPont's Pioneer seed unit is the second-largest producer of genetically modified seeds in the world, competing against Monsanto Co.

Invista says it has lost $357.9 million to date, including $68.5 million in attorneys' fees. With interest and future losses, Invista says the sum balloons to $744.6 million. Invista is also seeking unspecified punitive damages."

Dupont sold parts of their core business to Koch to free themselves up for money to invest in business ventures with Monsanto ie they have created the Epicyte Gene which causes infertility in humans and animals which is in GMO corn. I find that interesting.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Kristin]

Here's the spec list on Koch Industries from Koch Industries Info (PolluterWatch.com) (http://www.polluterwatch.com/koch-industries)




bio
Koch Industries is the second largest (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global/usa/report/2010/3/koch-industries-secretly-fund.pdf) [PDF] privately-held company in the United States with $100 billion in annual sales. The conglomerate is made up of over 20 companies (http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries), including Flint Hills Resources, Georgia-Pacific, and Invista. Koch Industries has a presence (http://www.kochind.com/about/locations.aspx) in nearly 60 countries, conducting business operations (http://www.kochind.com/IndustryAreas/default.asp) in the fields of petroleum refining, fuel pipelines, coal supply and trading, oil and gas exploration, chemicals and polymers, fertilizer production, ranching and forestry products.

The vast majority of Koch Industries’ assets are controlled by Charles G. (http://www.polluterwatch.com/charles-koch) and David H. Koch (http://www.polluterwatch.com/david-koch), two of four sons of the company’s founder, who each own 42% of the company stock. According to 2010 Forbes rankings (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/10/billionaires-2010_The-Worlds-Billionaires_Rank.html), the Koch brothers are tied for the 24th richest person in the world, and for fifth richest American, each worth $21.5 billion. Their combined wealth puts them behind only Bill Gates and Warren Buffett in U.S. richness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT_is0rR1Xk).

EVIDENCE
Pollution:
The Political Economy Research Institute ranks Koch Industries as the tenth worst air polluter in the U.S. in their Toxic Release Inventory. CARMA reports that Koch releases just under 5 million tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide annually.



Koch Industries has a long record [PDF] of environmental crimes and violations, including, but not limited to:

A $1.7 million fine by the EPA and $500 million commitment to correct pollution violations in seven states
Millions of gallons of spilled oil from Koch pipelines throughout the past decade
A $25 million settlement with the U.S. government in 2001 after falsifying extraction records for oil collected on Native American and federal land
A $20 million settlement in 2000 for falsifying documents relating to a major release of the carcinogen benzene
A 1996 explosion that killed two teenagers due to a leaking Koch gas pipeline
While David Koch, a victim of prostate cancer, has donated millions to cancer research institutions and is a member of the National Cancer Advisory Board, Koch Industries subsidiary Georgia-Pacific is actively working to downplay the dangers of formaldehyde, a known carcinogen.



Financing of climate science denial front groups:
Through Koch Industries and their family foundations, the Koch brothers are premier financiers to organizations that deny, skepticize or belittle the significance of global warming. Compared to ExxonMobil, which spent $10.2 million on skeptic groups from 2005-2008, Koch Industries dwarfed their contribution with a $31.6 million effort. More than $5.6 million went to the Americans for Prosperity Foundation (founded and chaired by David Koch), over $2.2 million to the Heritage Foundation and over $1.2 million the Cato Institute (co-founded by Charles Koch, chaired by David Koch). The Koch family foundations have contributed over $55 million since 1997, more than half of which was spent after 2005.
Source: Greenpeace Report

Koch Industries was the 2011 inductee for Corporate Accountability International's Corporate Hall of Shame for "spending over $50 million to fund climate change denial and influencing the Supreme Court's decision to allow unlimited corporate dollars to flow into federal elections." Koch Industries is the sixth member of the Hall of Shame, after Monsanto, Chevron, ExxonMobil, Blackwater and Halliburton.

Koch worked behind the scenes during the 2010 “Rally for Jobs” astroturf events, coordinated by the American Petroleum Institute in order to create political pressure against clean energy and climate legislation in the interest of the oil and gas industry. Groups such as Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which are both heavily funded by the Koch brothers and founded by David Koch, were partner organizations in promoting the rallies.

Koch Industries spent $1 million to promote California Proposition 23, intended to undermine the states clean energy and climate law, through subsidiary company Flint Hills Resources. Koch also pushed Prop 23 through one of their beneficiary front groups, the Pacific Research Institute, which published and promoted reports that made favorable economic arguments for Prop 23 using flawed methodologies.

Political Expenditures:
Koch Industries is a major political contributor of the last decade, spending over $4.4 million on political and campaign contributions, more than any other energy, mining or utility company.

Koch Industries has spent over $48 million from 2006-2010 on lobbying.

In conjunction with $43,000 in 2010 political donations from Koch Industries to Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Koch-founded and -financed Americans for Prosperity has coordinated support for the Governor's union busting efforts. Wisconsin's budget crisis has been inflamed by corporate tax cuts initiated by Gov. Walker, who then used the lack of income to justify taking bargaining rights from Wisconsin union workers and cutting the salaries and benefits of state employees. This process was advised by the American Legislative Exchange Council, which has received over $500,000 from Koch Industries since 1997, and over $1.4 million from ExxonMobil. Koch Industries holds numerous business operations in Wisconsin.

International bribes and trading with Iran:
Bloomberg Markets Magazine reports that Koch Industries, through a French subsidiary, sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, and also appears to have bribed companies in countries like Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, India and Nigeria to solicit business contracts from 2002-2008.

Role in Keystone XL tar sands pipeline:
Koch Industries refines 25% of tar sands crude oil entering the U.S. and operates a terminal at the proposed pipeline's origin in Hardisty, Alberta. Koch Industries has repeatedly denied any financial interest in TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline. After 6 months of public insistence that Koch Industries had nothing to do with Keystone XL, news emerged that Koch's wholly-owned subsidiary Flint Hills Resources told Canada's Energy Board it has "direct and substantial interest" in a government filing. Koch has continued to deny any financial link to the rejected project, although Americans for Prosperity (which was founded by the Kochs, chaired by David Koch and funded by over $5.6 million from Koch foundations) bussed pipeline supporters to testify at State Department Hearings in Nebraska.

LINKS AND RESOURCES
Koch Industries
SourceWatch
OpenSecrets
DirtyEnergyMoney
Greenpeace
Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine (Greenpeace report)
New York Magazine
The New Yorker
DeSmogBlog
Political Economy Research Institute Toxic Release Inventory
Koch Industries Facts - Repower America
National Institute on Money in State Politics - Koch Industries state-level political contributions
Koch Industries - Corporate Accountability International's Hall of Shame
Bloomberg Markets - Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales
See more, including many more active links embedded in the above, at Koch Industries Info (PolluterWatch.com) (http://www.polluterwatch.com/koch-industries)

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[Mod-edit: I added the links and a bit more formatting, to Kristin's above post. -Paul.]

[Kristin]

And this here is my favourite link to enable you to view Koch supported bills, who they donate to, campaign donations... you name it! Listed by date or individual, have fun!
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/lobby.php?id=D000000186

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Kristin]

Here is a link to the David H. Koch cancer institute at MIT... This is a large genetics research establishment that involves Harvard U as well as others... they are developing everything from genetics to nano technology. Interesting.

http://ki.mit.edu/approach/partnerships/ccne

TRANSCEND is a partnership between the Koch Institute and Ortho-McNeil-Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Our initial five-year collaborative agreement fosters oncology research and technology development in the areas of cancer diagnostics, cancer biology pre-malignancies, genetic models of disease, and profiles of the tumor microenvironment.

A Joint Scientific Steering Committee composed of MIT faculty members and Ortho-McNeil Janssen employees jointly reviews and selects proposals from MIT researchers for funding. In addition, there is a provision for visiting scientists from Ortho-McNeil Janssen to participate in projects within the investigators’ laboratories at the Koch Institute.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Chester]

Alex Jones thinks that the Koch's are run of the mill neo-Cons? That is hilarious! Whose payroll is he on? You do know that the Koch's funded "W" don't you ( still do actually) Also funded Geo HW, Nixon, and were the drivers behind the Geo HW ordered Kennedy assassination?

Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over. I have knowledge, I don't have the paper trail. Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway. What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards. Our group was of the impression that the PA members were the most likely equipped to deal with the barrage of new truth-seekers who will catapult into another paradigm in one day.

To answer your question christian, investigate the MIT/Koch connection. Its hidden in plain sight.

For what its worth... whenever "new" or "groundbreaking" information is intended to be brought forth into the vista of a wider public, there are energy level resistances that manifest in the way initial responders react as the intention is brought into the material realm. This is a tricky phase and it takes vigilance and steadfastness for one to make it through that phase. Just do your best to stay calm and focused. Then you will find the right time and the right way to take your information to the next stages of dissemination. We all want a better world (at the full conscious level). It is getting through the 95% of overall consciousness known as the subconscious that is tricky here, especially at a time of rapid paradigm shift.

I took Paul's reaction to be focused upon the form of delivery that enhances the strength of the us/them dynamic and I read his statements to suggest rising above it. A suggestion to perhaps leave out the polarized sides of the matter, transcend the emotions and then you will find the way to bring forth your information successfully.

I believe you DID come to the right place. Give yourself and us a break as to our initial reactions and give us another chance AriG.

All the best justone

[ThePythonicCow]

Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over.


For what its worth... whenever "new" or "groundbreaking" information is intended to be brought forth into the vista of a wider public, there are energy level resistances that manifest in the way initial responders react as the intention is brought into the material realm. This is a tricky phase and it takes vigilance and steadfastness for one to make it through that phase. Just do your best to stay calm and focused. Then you will find the right time and the right way to take your information to the next stages of dissemination. We all want a better world (at the full conscious level). It is getting through the 95% of overall consciousness known as the subconscious that is tricky here, especially at a time of rapid paradigm shift.

I took Paul's reaction to be focused upon the form of delivery that enhances the strength of the us/them dynamic and I read his statements to suggest rising above it. A suggestion to perhaps leave out the polarized sides of the matter, transcend the emotions and then you will find the way to bring forth your information successfully.

I believe you DID come to the right place. Give yourself and us a break as to our initial reactions and give us another chance AriG.

All the best justone

Well said, justoneman. Thank-you.

[Kano]

Here is an interesting article from Richard Alan Miller's site about scientists being able to prove that DNA can be reprogrammed through words and frequencies. Click the link for the full article.

http://richardalanmiller.com/ram/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=608:scientists-prove-dna-can-be-reprogrammed-by-words-and-frequencies&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=680



Scientists Prove DNA Can Be Reprogrammed by Words and Frequencies



By Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf

THE HUMAN DNA IS A BIOLOGICAL INTERNET and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), mind’s influence on weather patterns and much more. In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes.

Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered “junk DNA.” The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore those 90% of “junk DNA.” Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary! According to them, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and in communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code, especially in the apparently useless 90%, follows the same rules as all our human languages. To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. So human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA.

[CdnSirian]

Thanks Kano. This article talks about what Avalonians aspire to do, and can do.

[Kristin]

Haven't seen the article yet, but if you do an Avalon search engine on "Sound, DNA, and Frequency" you will find 42 pages of posts to draw from.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[RunningDeer]

Thanks for your time.
Hello AriG,

Glad you are back. I look forward to what you have to share, but understand if you choose not to.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

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[Referee]

RT piece on the Koch Brothers Threatening employees to vote for Romney.

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[Ishtar]

I am only 29 minutes into the above video as I type this. So far, it strikes me as blatant class warfare.

Well, I got 10 minutes into the video in the opening post, and felt moved to write as I was starting to get that feeling in my gut... the one that always comes on when my thinking is being manipulated. Then as I scanned down the rest of the thread, I found Paul's post and found that he'd pretty well said it all for me.

The Koch Bros are just living the American Dream. What they don't tell us about the American Dream is that it is set up in such a way as only a few people can live it... the ones that leach on everyone else. But why just focus on the Kochs? And who is funding this attack on the Kochs? There are plenty of other families who are rolling in money which they use to fund lobbying to get tax breaks to benefit their own businesses, that set up echo chambers so that people on their payroll blithely repeat the lies that allow them to change the thinking of the masses. What about the Rockefellers, whose institutes only fund science that supports their eugenics and attempts at social engineering? What about the Rothschilds, who own most of the royal families of Europe, and so get their way that way. What about the Gates, who are trying to single-handedly take over the food supplies of the whole planet?

The truth is that while 1 per cent sounds small, it actually takes in a large number of families... and so my question is, which of those 1 per cent families funded this video to attack the Kochs, to, in effect, create a smokescreen for their own equally nefarious activities?

This was bound to happen, I think... as more and more people start to wake up and ask questions, members of the eilte will start to attack each other and try to get us on board using the exact same techniques they've always used in trying to persuade us to their cause since Roman times ... bread and circuses. In this modern age, 'bread and circuses' have become YouTube videos, where they tell people what to think. In this respect, this video is hypocritical because it itself is trying to create an echo chamber effect too.. .against the Kochs.

The Kochs are just a product of the faulty system in which **** always rises to the top. It's the system that needs changing... and this won't be achieved by one stinking rich family trying to set up a hue and cry after another stinking rich family. If we follow behind the sentiment of this video, we'll just be doing their dirty work for them, leaving the way clear for the old system to contnue to flourish for which ever of the families are left standing. Divide and rule, I think it's called. I'm glad to see that many here are intelligent enough to see through it.

[sleepy]

xxxxx xxxxxx

[Ishtar]

Look, here's the situation: The people who are part of my group, the ones in possession of the evidence, do not want full disclosure until all the 2012 hullaballoo is over. I have knowledge, I don't have the paper trail. Without the paper trail and other evidence, you aren't going to believe it anyway. What I wanted to do, was to begin a dialogue about one piece of the puzzle at a time and allow discourse to take place before full disclosure to avoid a lot of unnecessary chaos afterwards. Our group was of the impression that the PA members were the most likely equipped to deal with the barrage of new truth-seekers who will catapult into another paradigm in one day.

Lots of people try to use Project Avalon to get people on side with their own internecine war games. However, it doesn't work because most members usually see straight through it, as has happened here.

[AriG]

I bet you guys gave your parents hell on Christmas eve, didn't you. Patience... If you aren't interested in doing your homework, so be it, you'll get the answers in 2013. I never would have believed a fast food mentality would have existed here. Believe me guys... this situation is so surreal, so interconnected and so overwhelming, if you wait until 2013 to connect the dots? You'll wish you had started with an appetizer before plunging into the main course.

I love mankind. I love this earth, this universe, this experience and NO ONE has the right to manipulate it or us. I am not making any money from this, getting paid for this and have NO agenda other than the love of this vector. If I were in control of the information exclusively? You'd be picking yourselves up from your spilt chairs right now. Unfortunately, I am just the messenger. Hang tight. ok?

Many here have great insight and intuition......you are not a messenger, you are doing nothing but playing a card and you conceal your so called "message" using a date everyone is familiar with (12-21-2012) as an excuse to lead people on and to put yourself above others.

YOU do not know the future or ANY absolutes that are in the future.....actions are not predetermined; hence, FREEWILL.

People here are not buying into your "experiment/project" and it is making you show anger in your posts.

People are really getting tired of manipulators and bull****ters...........


Care to change your opinion now? The date was incorrect, the result was as expected.