Lights Out: Time is up. Duncan O'Finioan's final comment

[Mu2143]

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[kersley]

Duncan is right. The time of harvesting souls is very near. What are we gonna do????

[ThePythonicCow]

The text, copied and pasted, for easier reading:

The days of darkness are knocking on your doors.
How many of you are ready?
How many hang on every word of the love and lighters feeding you the lie of "Ascension?"
Do most of you really believe you are worthy of Ascension?
You believe the lies because it feels better.
You ignore the truth because it overwhelms you.
But it does not change what is -- and what will be.
How many of you believe your "channeled" space brothers are going to save you?
Many of you still believe your Governments will come to the rescue. Ha,ha.
And you can keep on believing the "former" these and those and people with "inside sources" until the cows come home.
You can stay on your lazy asses and believe these things.
Your choice.
But the only thing that's going to save your ass --
Is you.
Until you stop being petty, selfish, lazy, ego-driven, thinking with the "ME" complex,
and start learning to work together ...
then I dare say,
the human race is lost.
No matter if we are successful in our job or not.

Time is up.

What are you going to do?

D &M

[meat suit]

he seems to be a grumpy old man.... first thing I read by him though......

[Bill Ryan]

The text, copied and pasted, for easier reading:

The days of darkness are knocking on your doors.
How many of you are ready?
How many hang on every word of the love and lighters feeding you the lie of "Ascension?"
Do most of you really believe you are worthy of Ascension?
You believe the lies because it feels better.
You ignore the truth because it overwhelms you.
But it does not change what is -- and what will be.
How many of you believe your "channeled" space brothers are going to save you?
Many of you still believe your Governments will come to the rescue. Ha,ha.
And you can keep on believing the "former" these and those and people with "inside sources" until the cows come home.
You can stay on your lazy asses and believe these things.
Your choice.
But the only thing that's going to save your ass --
Is you.
Until you stop being petty, selfish, lazy, ego-driven, thinking with the "ME" complex,
and start learning to work together ...
then I dare say,
the human race is lost.
No matter if we are successful in our job or not.

Time is up.

What are you going to do?

D &M

Duncan is right. (He usually is.)

As many readers know, I've been saying much the same thing (although not in quite such stark language) for a while now. The controllers of the world laugh at the unintelligence and gullibility of most people in the alternative media, and see little there that will disrupt their plans.

Things are changing, and people are waking up, and very able people are doing stuff quietly behind the scenes, with no ego -- but the jury is out how long it'll be before the enormous mess of thousands of years of abuse of Planet Earth and its citizens is all cleaned up. I have said many times that it'll take several generations at best.

This is still my view. I believe we have the capacity to do it, but there's absolutely nothing guaranteed about the result of this or any other game.

[Taurean]

Like Max Igan keeps pushing, make as start by getting to know your neighbours better, because they will be your only assets when the shtf.

You can't plant a field and harvest it all by yourself !

[pyrangello]

Agreed, imagination yourself in the sky looking down at what is happening here , the love and kindness that is shared and the darkness that is demonstrated. The fiat system that so many get sucked into, the illusion of so much leaving it up to you to blow all the fog away to see what is really happening. Having this entire system crash can be healthy only if we decide at the time of the crash we work together to restart what should be and what not is now. My optimism still lives even though I blow the fog away daily.

[sigma6]

Can't argue with the message, change is happening but the world is big and there is a huge amount of inertia, that which is, will start to slowly run down, sad to think this is all we will have to go on,
but it could still be a few years yet, depending on which sectors one looks at and which part of the world one lives in... and who knows all the twists and turns on the way...

made me think of this song, the spin, the fact this lad only has a few months to carry on in this voice... that's what it will be like... knowing there may be a limited time window...

May we revel in that... my sincerest wishes to our mutual successes in the mean time

utfkGocmCiE

[donk]

What I have worried about more, and why I tended to shift away from studying economics and politics for spirituality is that it seems just as likely as the **** NOT hitting the fan, and us slipping into an Orwellian Brave New World, where whoever you wanna call it: big brother, NWO, illuminati....the top of the bull**** slavery based consumption ownership society pyramidal heirarchy puts the clamps down on the masses living in fear.

Rather than prepare for complete societal collapse or catastrophic disaster (natural or manmade), neither of which it seems to me can be adequately materially prepared for, I live the **** out of life, taking full advantage and appreciation of everything the here and now has to offer.

I think what the logical conclusion of ideas like duncan's and bill's is, is that no matter what happens, things are not going to be the same, not better according the rules of the status quo, so it'd be wise to get your mind and life focused on love and the removal fear, as those stuck in that self-centered fear mentality WILL suffer, but life will be worth living if you are not afraid to see it for what it is.

This applies to any point in our linear timeline, it just seems more urgent at moment...

Just my thoughts...love love love--don't feed the dark side the fear it needs to be strong

[donk]

...or what pyra & sigma said--everything but "sad to think..."

As hard as it is to imagine, whatever comes to pass, whatever reality we create, will be what it will be.

We are responsible for whether it is sad to think or if we can make it something where people (especially ourselves) feel excited and happy to be alive

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Great News! Isn't it? :p
Let's get our hands dirty and build ourselves dugouts... There is no better way to conquer people minds than to kill all hope...:tape:

Pun intended ;)

[donk]

He didnt kill ALL hope. Just trying to kill that hope in salvation.

I think reminding people of personal responsibility & preparing them for possibility they may not be saved by outside forces is one of the more hopeful (& helpful) messages one could be spreading...

[norman]

What's dark about his statement is that he throws out all 'goodness' with the 'wishful workarounds for ignorance' that he so well has fingered and dismissed.

I'm wary of his point of view because he's so committed to the 'dog eat dog' school of thought.

If all we are to expect from here on is to become a mob of self serving survivalists having to elbow our ways towards the 'safe places' and a share of the best 'alternative' action groups, I think we have completely fallen into the plan that the world's worst have made for us.

Duncan's got the measure of the new age claptrap scene pretty well, though.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Duncan still believes that he knows everything that there is to know. He doesn't. Because of his access to exclusive information, he has the illusion that he understands the entire landscape. There are aspects that Duncan simply does not grasp because his personal reality model has no room for them. This is evident in not only what he says, but how he says it.

I do agree, though, that we are the answer. We always have been.

[greybeard]

What's dark about his statement is that he throws out all 'goodness' with the 'wishful workarounds for ignorance' that he so well has fingered and dismissed.

I'm wary of his point of view because he's so committed to the 'dog eat dog' school of thought.

If all we are to expect from here on is to become a mob of self serving survivalists having to elbow our ways towards the 'safe places' and a share of the best 'alternative' action groups, I think we have completely fallen into the plan that the world's worst have made for us.

Duncan's got the measure of the new age claptrap scene pretty well, though.

Dog eat dog is more of the same which has been tried for thousands of years and we are no further forward.
If you see an enemy its the same energy.
Its a question of being aware without condemning or judging the other--- they do what they do.
Nothing ever got changed-- no challenge solved with the same energy that created it.
We as part of the collective have to raise our thoughts above retribution, judging etc other wise we just add fuel to the current situation.
Coming from heart is not condoning.
Concentrating on what we want would seem to be the answer.
Gandhi said "I dont hate the British I want home rule for India."
That worked did it not.!!!!

Chris

[greybeard]

For my money the book "Power vs Force" by the late Dr David Hawkins put into perspective the difference between force which requires masses of people (an army) and spiritual Power--- which requires a few enlightened souls, this spiritual energy balances off the negativity of many.

Force eventually runs out of steam-- Power does not. (each great empire based on force has eventually come to an end)

The Power of Spiritual intention is immense.
The Power comes from the spiritual heart.

It seems that the physical heart was formed and beating before the brain formed.
Science has now proved the physical heart emits much more vibration/energy at a higher frequency than the mind.
The heart has a mind of its own you could say.

A search on u tube for Heart maths--- Gregg Braden---Bruce Lipton-- Holographic Universe is well worth the time spent.

Positive change does not happen over night but it is happening.

Chris

[Mark]

I appreciate Duncan and Mirandas viewpoint. The perspective of the warrior is necessary especially when facing the kind of implacable foe that is behind the world's current travails. WM is right though. There is more to the story than what we can know. Now feels like he describes it. Like time is up. Just finished reading Hare's seminal text, "Without Conscience", regarding psychopathy and its prevalence in society. I think there are currently a significant number of such passing themselves off as enlightened in the NewAge movement leading many astray. The symptoms of psychopathy do in part fulfill what people expect from those who have reached a certain state, sans the inner knowing and compassion. But a well-read psychopath can fake that, especially online or during short, weekend seminars.

We'll see how it goes down. So many potentialities in play, theres no telling which eventuality will set off the cascade.

[gripreaper]

It's always good to read through the entire thread before commenting. Chris nailed it. Power v Force. Thanks for calling to our attention David Hawkins book. I read it ten years ago and it is an epic truth as to how the quantum field works.

Also read Jenny Wade's book, "Changes of Mind" which also describes the different levels of consciousness and the subsequent attachments to each level, and how consciousness progresses collectively. Nassim Haramein and Bruce Lipton get how matter is light and changes and coalesces based on intention.

Gregg Braden and Drunvalo Melchizedek understand how to focus this energy through the heart instead of the head.

So, the light is never out and time is an illusion. Duncan is right about one thing though, we get to create the future we want.

[Camilo]

We may speculate all we want about everybody and everything under the sky, the truth still remains to bee seen. I maintain my faith in the human race, and believe we'll be able to pull it off, no matter how many generations it takes. We are made out of the right stuff.

[Kristin]

It's been inspiring to see Duncan and miranda living their truth with passion. I agree that no one has the full picture, however, to know oneself in these days is the most important thing that any of us can achieve. I believe that in knowing ourselves, we can passionately express and enact change in a caring and compassionate way. To stand on our own two feet and to create solutions in any capacity that we have available to us.

I know that we have great power to heal ourselves and that the earth has great power to heal herself as well. Time is not "up", I feel always that it is just beginning. Perhaps it is "time" for us all to make sure that we are the best that we can be to ourselves and to others. Time to tap into our true natures, time to know ourselves and free ourselves to be of service to this amazing planet and our fellow human beings.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Mu2143]

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[avid]

Each to their own then - we've lived and learned as far as we can - the solution was NEVER on a plate. The 'menu' of 'what to do' changes daily if one watches the MSM, panics via earth-changing websites. One can only warn those who may definitely be vulnerable on the coastlines, if they choose to ignore that's their life-decision. My son is included.
I do hope this negativity of 'Nibiru'/pole-shift/end-times will come to nothing in 2012, although more likely in 2013. The threat of 'greed-wars' is more ludicrous - but as of today - 13/10/12 - it would appear that the globalistic elite want world war III, and are now using Turkey as their slippery foothold.

The 'October Surprise' will not be a surprise if it never happens. BTW: it ain't going to be a surprise... if we're expecting it!!! YAWN!!!

Meanwhile there are so many government officials with dual nationality I don't see how the USA can get their constitution back. Runaway presidential declarations et al....
(dashes off to see the latest diatribes on the Nobel Peace Prize award to the EU - thank you Max Keiser..., and I could just let rip squillions of swear-words but I won't - yet)

[another bob]

This is my current assessment, based on what I have come to understand regarding these matters.

This so-called world is a psycho-physical realm, and more like a stage with all sorts of custom-tailored props, than an actual concrete place. In a virtual reality game, where is a "place"? Time is not up -- time is a belief we are tricked into by the mirage of this 3-D game. This stage has been around for far longer than our naive sciences would have us believe, and everything that is happening now has already happened countless times, like minute variations in televised re-runs, but we keep falling for it all, as if for the first time, and so we remain confused in our amnesia, and profess idealistic clap trap about time and its mandates.

Moreover, we are not here to change this game, but more to be changed by our experience of it, to learn how to behave and live a kind, thoughtful, and loving life, renouncing greed, envy, hatred, and arrogance, to help out whenever the opportunity presents itself, to gain some crucial insight into what we are really made of (our true nature), and yes, to have fun, to enjoy the illusion of physical embodiment, and then to leave this training realm behind in the rear view mirror, and not look back.

Really, how many of us long to return to kindergarden, and how many of us really imagine, when we are in kindergarden, that we are here to perfect kindergarden, or throw out the bums who control the kindergarden mechanics?

Each of us has different stuff to get right, usually very personal stuff, and it has little to do with "saving Planet Earth" or any such fantasies as propounded by the typical threads here at PA. First, we need to clean up our own act, and that is plenty of homework for any of us touring this earthly life. Once we have done that to some extent, our view on the whole matter of "saving ourselves from the PTB", etc. will change considerably, just as our life view and goals change considerably from childhood to adulthood.

On the other hand, as long as we are granting reality to the fantasy of fighting the powers of this realm, then we will continue to be a convenient part of their game, and continue to return to kindergarden, where they hold all the virtual marbles.

[meat suit]

excellent another bob!

that really sums up for me whats going on here....

cheers

meat

[Sirius White]

We got a catalyst that is almost here. Had it have come in a manner the PTB wanted it, it would of not just wiped the surface of the oceans- but much, much more. Thankfully, the effects will not be quite as dramatic. But STILL we have something massive to contend with at the end of this year, and onwards.

Remember people, we are the ones sent to help. When **** hits the fan, yes- physical preparation is necessary. But a great deal of it will have to do with consciousness. The tools to the ignorantand afraid have to be dispensed, and you may find people that never beleived in anything come to you for advice.

Be aware of all the shady stuff, but keep your intent focused on the best outcome for humanity. In a way, we are what hold this grid together- that is, so that earth may enter into the probability and timeline in which upheaval and chaos is only a means to catalze awakening and change. This is the key, and I'm telling you right now that the channeling out there is nonsense because:

Human beings need to come to a decision collectively. Beings in the cosmos and hyperversals do NOT take seriously a developing planet if at least a very tiny percentage of them do not declare who it is they are, and what it is they seek. The "intervention" aka, the manipulation is happening because no group of humans have come together, and taken a stand. So far it is just the elite and the secret space program people who have grouped together. And even they are not fully on the same page. A species, when faced with predicament of extinction, and far more needs to learn that this is our planet and our species is at stake. Other then that, the ones who are helping have a vested interest in helping on a spiritual scale mostly to overcome the psychotronic and mind-control prison the elite, and those beings who profit from their manipulation.

The time is near guys.

YOU, WE, human beings, are going to have to STAND UP and PROVE to those out there, and on this planet- that WE ARE (like I AM). We DESERVE our rightful place in the cosmic community. To make our own decisions. NOTHING is ever given in this universe/cycle. As some people that I very much respect would say: Everything in this creation is earned.

[humanalien]

I believe duncan when he said that the time is near but no one
can know exactly when that time will be. He told of a time when
all hell (literally) will break out on earth. With those cern machines
trying to open portals between here and the demonic dimensions,
there will be literal demons coming to earth to reap destruction of
every living being.

Let's face it folks, we are goners. I just listened to half an interview
of linsey williams with alex jones and he said the elites now know for
sure that people in america will not riot. Even after our government
just sold all our mortgages to foreign banks, the people still sat on their
asses and did nothing.

The dollar is officially dead, it's just that no one knows it yet and food
prices will begin doubling in Feb.

People are being poisoned by water \ food and meds and still the people
sit on their asses and do nothing. What will be next? I bet if a favorite
football team, loses the superbowl, all of america would be in the streets
just rioting like crazy.

This is the point that duncan is trying to get across. You won't fight for your
life but you will for something as stupid as a football game.

[jackovesk]

The days of darkness are knocking on your doors.
How many of you are ready?
How many hang on every word of the love and lighters feeding you the lie of "Ascension?"
Do most of you really believe you are worthy of Ascension?
You believe the lies because it feels better.
You ignore the truth because it overwhelms you.
But it does not change what is -- and what will be.
How many of you believe your "channeled" space brothers are going to save you?
Many of you still believe your Governments will come to the rescue. Ha,ha.
And you can keep on believing the "former" these and those and people with "inside sources" until the cows come home.
You can stay on your lazy asses and believe these things.
Your choice.
But the only thing that's going to save your ass --
Is you.
Until you stop being petty, selfish, lazy, ego-driven, thinking with the "ME" complex,
and start learning to work together ...
then I dare say,
the human race is lost.
No matter if we are successful in our job or not.

Time is up.

What are you going to do?

D &M

I remember a time where just challenging those that blindly believe in 'Ascension' &/or 'Channeler's' would literally get you 'SHOT' from within the Stout-Devotee's Keyboard..! :pound:

How the 'Truth' manages to (ALWAYS) rise 'above' all the New Age :bs: out there...:yes4:

[norman]

People are being poisoned by water \ food and meds and still the people
sit on their asses and do nothing. What will be next? I bet if a favorite
football team, loses the superbowl, all of america would be in the streets
just rioting like crazy.

This is the point that duncan is trying to get across. You won't fight for your
life but you will for something as stupid as a football game.





I think you are making that point very well, but I think Duncan's point is a bit different.

Unless I'm not reading him right, I think his point is aimed at the people who have already weaned themselves off football etc and have found 'a nirvana' that is a cerebral account of how it is but with a smug "knowingness" that's really only a practiced 'sedation' while the knife goes in.


As an aside, I grew up respecting courage. Later I learned about wisdom and passivity. For a while I was in limbo, confused about how to make sense of the contrast, until I realised that courage and passivity can be one thing if you reach beyond this single lifetime and put it in a bigger frame.

Right now, I'm convinced that the 'elite' want us to buckle under our biggest fear and express our courage in the way they can achieve their goal by. As long we are drip fed "smart info" and we progress towards becoming enclaves of 'survivors' they will be happy with the way things are going.

What would absolutely scupper their plan, would be if we didn't go that way but that we faced our biggest fear and went straight towards it and met it head on.

To do that we have to see this life as less of a big deal and more of a point of focus that we have been pinned to by other forces.


Running for our lives, in my opinion, is exactly what they want us to do.

If we stop doing that, and turn towards our mortality, and act with absolute courage, we may well find that we have got out of their control and have the chance to choose a better sovereign destiny than anything they are either capable of 'giving' us, or anything within their plan for us.

[write4change]

What I have worried about more, and why I tended to shift away from studying economics and politics for spirituality is that it seems just as likely as the **** NOT hitting the fan, and us slipping into an Orwellian Brave New World, where whoever you wanna call it: big brother, NWO, illuminati....the top of the bull**** slavery based consumption ownership society pyramidal heirarchy puts the clamps down on the masses living in fear.

Rather than prepare for complete societal collapse or catastrophic disaster (natural or manmade), neither of which it seems to me can be adequately materially prepared for, I live the **** out of life, taking full advantage and appreciation of everything the here and now has to offer.

I think what the logical conclusion of ideas like duncan's and bill's is, is that no matter what happens, things are not going to be the same, not better according the rules of the status quo, so it'd be wise to get your mind and life focused on love and the removal fear, as those stuck in that self-centered fear mentality WILL suffer, but life will be worth living if you are not afraid to see it for what it is.

This applies to any point in our linear timeline, it just seems more urgent at moment...

Just my thoughts...love love love--don't feed the dark side the fear it needs to be strong

I have also seen this as poor but viable end game especially when I see what Bain capitol has done and will do in the name of profit--like closing Sensata not because it is not making a profit but because it can make more when all employees are making 99 cents a hour working 7 days a week, 12 hour days and boarding three to a room in dormatories. This is the future the elite would choose for all of us.

So the Shawshank Redemption--learning to live in your head---is first on the list.

[write4change]

Norman's post above mine #28 also expresses much of what I feel. In a nut shell for me love as action is first, personal understanding as the currency of the universe is knowledge is second, and finally, courage to stand and face whatever for being who I am. I cannot be faulted for not seeing in totality but I can be faulted for not trying what I can see available to me. What is available to me is many things for many different people. I live by first, do no harm and then to whom much is given, much is asked.

[Mad Hatter]

There is no spoon... :pound:

[M6*]

Hi Meatsuit!
You would be grumpy too....if it happened to you! M6*

[meat suit]

Hi Meatsuit!
You would be grumpy too....if it happened to you! M6*

actually, I regret wasting bandwidth here with the grumpy post.... I know nothing about the man...
what made him grumpy? got a link?

[spiritwind]

actually, I regret wasting bandwidth here with the grumpy post.... I know nothing about the man...
what made him grumpy? got a link?

That's it in a nutshell Meat Suit. I guess he's just not telling us, hence all the speculation. I'm not surprised really because he's been warning us about SHTF for quite some time now and in his world maybe it already is. He seems to be always having a go at it with someone but, like you, we really don't know what goes on in his everyday world. I don't know about you but it seems like there's alot of hurry up and wait this year with a lot going on in the larger sense but it feels like I'm at the movie theatre waiting for the main show to begin and I'm not even sure what movie I'm here to watch. Where's the popcorn?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Really every one?

There is a lot of talk about opinions and rightly so, it is a forum.

But by virtue of being here means we realy have no clue. Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected. So in terms of " possibility " yes the technology exists but is it probable? Hmm

Yes, people are re incarnate here to help. Thats been verified by our own beloved Bill with Inelia. So there is something in that.

What does waiting for a huge event do in effect? It puts effective people in stasis.

Yes there is overwhelming evidense that the movers and shakers are planning a huge event to take us into an even smaller box. Why? Control, thats it.

And you cannot deny the existance of off planet races. You would have to be pretty ignorant and or arrogant to think we the only ones.

It is absolutely fact that what you focus on you become, so with that in mind we see so many of us having completely different experiences of the same time line. So there is something in that.

Do we believe Dolores Cannons assesment of the bigger picture? I would love to and i think such a thing is possible so im going to keep that one open to my field of possibility. Not because i believe it WILL happen but because it sounds like a nice possibility. Do not assume im sitting in a red cape with bags packed. Im getting on with my life and creating future regardless.

Before you get upset, dont, we have no right to push our opinions on anybody. not even Duncan, while i really enjoy hearing his versions of reality and have great respect for him just like any being, and indeed have considered his assesments of survival plans which make great sense i have to draw the line at living the same fear construct. I have learnt from him but keep walking my path.

Channellers, well we all know what happens there, its not accurate information.

i can tell you there are off planet races that desperately want us to evolve and are helping as a support group to certain elligable people, this i can confirm. To what extent this will be effective against the sheep hearders i dont know.

Is there this 4 and 5 dimention paralell existance? Yep! Sure is, and if you dont believe it then thats why you cant experience it. The un deniable truth about how we work scientifically is we are interactive self generating wide screen cinemas of personal reality. So where does that come into the matrix?

Ill say one thing, people used to believe the world was flat because they just didnt know what technology existed or possibilities redundant in limited thinking.

Love and lighters, my message to you is keep on spreading love and light, if that be your highest joy :-) theres nothing wrong in being a care bear, im a bit of a care bear too and i love and light it :-)

Alex Jones fans go right ahead and love Alex jones if it be your highest joy,i too dont mind hearing his reportage from time to time. Or pastor Lindsay Williams, when he eventually spits it out lol and Gerald Celente " do you think they would be taking over the middle east if their main export was broccolli! ? " I fell off my chair! Long live Gerald!

One thing is for certain, you want a change, take some action, you want a big change dont talk to the sheep, talk to the sheppard.


Hugs


N
N

[Bill Ryan]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.


Ok, ill pre emtively state that this is not documentation in its implied scence. However in terms of the un explainable, in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place. While this may not qualify to some, to me it does. Can i imply this to the point of it being confirmed? No, but nothing can be confirmed because its in the eye of the beholder.


In this text it describes in detail their dissapearence but to where we dont know. A hugely advanced culture in astrology, farming and spriritual technology getting caught with their pants down and no evidense of any remains what so ever? I cant buy it.

If anybody can find their remains, ill concede there was no ascention. However in order to establish their wareabouts we must establish a corpus delicti, without this the probability of ascention into another place, time line, dimention is most probable, more so than not.

Spiritual texts burned? These were the keys to liberation.

Here is the text

http://mayanarchaeology.tripod.com/id2.html

PS, i get the feeling that in order for a population to migrate to another time line there has to be a certain number of same thinkers to reach a critical mass for this to be successful. The Mayan people would be most qualified to achieve this.

This sort of shifting actually happens all the time from small to large events. Fear religion keeps people locked into that paradyme. This is documented by virtue of it actually happening right now.

I hope this clarifies my opinion.

[greybeard]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.




Ok, ill pre emtively state that this is not documentation in its implied scence. However in terms of the un explainable, in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place. While this may not qualify to some, to me it does. Can i imply this to the point of it being confirmed? No, but nothing can be confirmed because its in the eye of the beholder.

In this text it describes in detail their dissapearence but to where we dont know. A hugely advanced culture in astrology, farming and spriritual technology getting caught with their pants down and no evidense of any remains what so ever? I cant buy it.

If anybody can find their remains, ill concede there was no ascention.

Spiritual texts burned? These were the keys to liberation.

Here is the text

http://mayanarchaeology.tripod.com/id2.html

PS, i get the feeling that in order for a population to migrate to another time line there has to be a certain number of same thinkers to reach a critical mass for this to be successful. The Mayan people would be most qualified to achieve this.

This sort of shifting actually happens all the time from small to large events. Fear religion keeps people locked into that paradyme. This is documented by virtue of it actually happening right now.

I hope this clarifies my opinion.

Can you remember where these people lived and who you quote?
My reason for asking is that I have heard this before--- coming from a well known researcher-- I cant remember which but of the stature of Graham Hancock (Ancient Mysteries) Certainly I have heard this from more than one source.
To the best of my memory a whole civilisation disappeared and what was also unusual was that there was no fortification-- no evidence of warfare--- no mass grave site as you would expect with a war like society, no weapons.
Im open minded about this but have no opinion, I would like to have more information though.
Regards Chris

Ps I replied before your edit.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.




Ok, ill pre emtively state that this is not documentation in its implied scence. However in terms of the un explainable, in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place. While this may not qualify to some, to me it does. Can i imply this to the point of it being confirmed? No, but nothing can be confirmed because its in the eye of the beholder.

In this text it describes in detail their dissapearence but to where we dont know. A hugely advanced culture in astrology, farming and spriritual technology getting caught with their pants down and no evidense of any remains what so ever? I cant buy it.

If anybody can find their remains, ill concede there was no ascention.

Spiritual texts burned? These were the keys to liberation.

Here is the text

http://mayanarchaeology.tripod.com/id2.html

PS, i get the feeling that in order for a population to migrate to another time line there has to be a certain number of same thinkers to reach a critical mass for this to be successful. The Mayan people would be most qualified to achieve this.

This sort of shifting actually happens all the time from small to large events. Fear religion keeps people locked into that paradyme. This is documented by virtue of it actually happening right now.

I hope this clarifies my opinion.

Can you remember where these people lived and who you quote?
My reason for asking is that I have heard this before--- coming from a well known researcher-- I cant remember which but of the stature of Graham Hancock (Ancient Mysteries) Certainly I have heard this from more than one source.
To the best of my memory a whole civilisation disappeared and what was also unusual was that there was no fortification-- no evidence of warfare--- no mass grave site as you would expect with a war like society, no weapons.
Im open minded about this but have no opinion, I would like to have more information though.
Regards Chris

Ps I replied before your edit.

I have been hearing it all my life too. As i stated if there is an esablished corpus delicti then ill concede to no possibility of asention. But untill there is the most probable explanation is ( i know you hate hearing the word Bill ) Ascention.

N

[gooty64]

Drunvalo Melchizedek has spoken of this in one or two of his numerous youtubes.






Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.




Ok, ill pre emtively state that this is not documentation in its implied scence. However in terms of the un explainable, in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place. While this may not qualify to some, to me it does. Can i imply this to the point of it being confirmed? No, but nothing can be confirmed because its in the eye of the beholder.

In this text it describes in detail their dissapearence but to where we dont know. A hugely advanced culture in astrology, farming and spriritual technology getting caught with their pants down and no evidense of any remains what so ever? I cant buy it.

If anybody can find their remains, ill concede there was no ascention.

Spiritual texts burned? These were the keys to liberation.

Here is the text

http://mayanarchaeology.tripod.com/id2.html

PS, i get the feeling that in order for a population to migrate to another time line there has to be a certain number of same thinkers to reach a critical mass for this to be successful. The Mayan people would be most qualified to achieve this.

This sort of shifting actually happens all the time from small to large events. Fear religion keeps people locked into that paradyme. This is documented by virtue of it actually happening right now.

I hope this clarifies my opinion.

Can you remember where these people lived and who you quote?
My reason for asking is that I have heard this before--- coming from a well known researcher-- I cant remember which but of the stature of Graham Hancock (Ancient Mysteries) Certainly I have heard this from more than one source.
To the best of my memory a whole civilisation disappeared and what was also unusual was that there was no fortification-- no evidence of warfare--- no mass grave site as you would expect with a war like society, no weapons.
Im open minded about this but have no opinion, I would like to have more information though.
Regards Chris

Ps I replied before your edit.

I have been hearing it all my life too. As i stated if there is an esablished corpus delicti then ill concede to no possibility of asention. But untill there is the most probable explanation is ( i know you hate hearing the word Bill ) Ascention.

N

[another bob]

Im open minded about this but have no opinion, I would like to have more information though..

Chris, you might check out 2 fascinating books by Charles C. Mann: 1491, and 1493

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491:_New_Revelations_of_the_Americas_Before_Columbus


On the more woowoo side, the contactee Lou Baldin contends that the Mayans were scooped up and quarantined on Venus, not ascended (in fact, somewhat descended, due to the bloody ****e they were up to at the end).

:yo:

[Hervé]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.


... in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place.

[...]

Disproven!

Watch these 5 short videos:



BYUEnwxPVGk

the full set, in 5 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6k...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6kDtFTJA&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEn...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEnwxPVGk&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4Cz8N5o&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcd...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcdemaTac&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4P6-Rjo&feature=relmfu)


Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/delores-cannon-the-mayan-calendar-2012-and-the-new-earth/

I quit listening to her after the first few minutes of her blabber on "ascension."

With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

********************************************************

Edit: Link to Dolores' video quoted above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=riQdyr1hkuI

[spiritwind]

For what it's worth, I miss Duncan and Miranda's blog and do not in any way want to sound flipant or like I do not value what they both have invested in raising awareness and helping those most oppressed. Both outstanding warriors for sure. There are terrible things happening to people in this world and ignoring it won't make it go away. I also didn't mean to make it sound like I'm waiting for some big event. I'm not. But, being an astrologer among many other things I do see this as the beginning period of a new trend here on planet earth with many beginnings and endings. And I do think there are many warning signs on the horizon for those with eyes to see. Sometimes I say things like where's the popcorn because it's my weak attempt at trying to lighten up from what seems like more assaults on humanity from every corner than I've ever seen. I do not want to see another senseless war. I remember in the summer of 1990 I was about the only one I knew at the time who could see what the real hype was all about in regards to the war we had just become engaged in and was actually crying inside because no one else could see what seemed obvious to me. Greedy pychopaths in charge of the world. For there to be that much bad I know there has to be something equally good because evil would just implode on itself. But I too am here to help and do so in small ways every single day of my life as I'm sure many of us do. You don't have to be out there writing a book or be well known for your good deeds in some other way. I believe, no, I know, there are many good people who quietly do what they do with little to no recognition just because it's what they do. In fact, I used to pay attention to their blog because I believe they have somewhat of a pulse on some of what many of us sense but do not have the facts or experience to back up. I guess I just wanted to clarify because I know communication on a forum can get tricky at times.

[we-R-one]

Can we re-define ascension? This is the definition I refer to when discussing ascension:

ASCENSION- On an individual level, ascension is the process of changing one’s consciousness from one reality, based on one set of beliefs, to another. On a group or planetary level, ascension is the collective expansion of a state of consciousness (set of beliefs) to the point where that consciousness creates a new reality—a new state of being or dimension (*The Hundredth Monkey Syndrome).
For example, 3D is about the belief that, this is the only life that we have and if you can’t touch it, taste it, see it, feel it or hear it, it doesn’t exist. 5D, is about Christ or Unity consciousness where we realize that we are all connected—we understand and live in oneness.


Now doesn't that address more logically what's really going on? Cause this is what I see happening right before my very eyes......Ascension is happening, but not in the context that many have referred to within the alternative community. I think everyone is using the wrong definition, IMO.

[eileenrose]

re: ascended civilizations. I've heard of two. One in South America (shamans) and two is below.

Joan Ocean (She holds workshops where you swim with the dolphins in Hawaii - I ordered one of her books on her communication with them) has documented encounters with Sasquatch in the Southeastern states of America. I just ran into her documentations of her encounters.

Here is a link to that information:
http://www.joanocean.com/sasquatch.html

Some of the most direct information I have yet read on this mysterious and illusive race of beings that for a long time I just couldn't locate anything worth reading. You will definitely want to read everything she has written. I even just wrote her more more information, but she is currently on vacation. Hopefully she will get back to me.

She also received information from the Sasquatch about a civilization that ascended or left in mass. But when I just went back and reread through her 20 pages on them, I can't locate it.
It is there somewhere. Might have been in the 'birdman' article. I can write and ask her when she returns (if someone asks).

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Can we re-define ascension? This is the definition I refer to when discussing ascension:

ASCENSION- On an individual level, ascension is the process of changing one’s consciousness from one reality, based on one set of beliefs, to another. On a group or planetary level, ascension is the collective expansion of a state of consciousness (set of beliefs) to the point where that consciousness creates a new reality—a new state of being or dimension (*The Hundredth Monkey Syndrome).
For example, 3D is about the belief that, this is the only life that we have and if you can’t touch it, taste it, see it, feel it or hear it, it doesn’t exist. 5D, is about Christ or Unity consciousness where we realize that we are all connected—we understand and live in oneness.


Now doesn't that address more logically what's really going on? Cause this is what I see happening right before my very eyes......Ascension is happening, but not in the context that many have referred to within the alternative community. I think everyone is using the wrong definition, IMO.

I agree with you , Lets agree the word Ascention in the early days of the alternative media banding the idea about was interpreted as some sort of miraculous saving of the good and scouped up into a heavenly type of planet or place.

And people ran with it ... it sounded nice .

and as it goes people then get tired of the hippyness behind it. It becomes annoying to some just like people continuously going on about the new world order etc...

Whats going to really happen ? dec 21 2012 ? anybodies guess , nobody really knows , not even Amzer Zo ... So lets see shall we ?

In the mean time if we wanted to find real evidense of ascended myan or shaman masters then id have to say ive seen all i need. conversly if you needed evidence you better get up into 5D cos its all there. No point discussing a topic of a race that left this plane as there is no evidense to support how or where they went. 2 million people vanish in thin air without a trace... hmmm i really do wish for a proper explanation of HOW they got there.

anyway sorry to digress , not wanting to derail the thread.

I really like Duncan, i have learnt a lot from him but i do not subscribe to his fear over the matter. BUT his post is very honest and to the point. and speaks great truth.

n

[Marin]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.


... in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place.

[...]

Disproven!

Watch these 5 short videos: [.....]

Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/d...the-new-earth/

I quit listening to her after the first few minutes of her blabber on "ascension."

With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

Could you please check the last link to Dolores Canon? I'm unable to to view that and I'd like to finish reviewing what you intended to share.

Many Thanks,
Marin

[meat suit]

for all w e know..those 2 million mayans may also ended up as canned meat on some reptoid fleet...:p

[bluestflame]

we came here to be here any "channeler" that tries to convince you into going somewhere else has another agenda

[Watching from Cyprus]

Like Max Igan keeps pushing, make as start by getting to know your neighbours better, because they will be your only assets when the shtf.

You can't plant a field and harvest it all by yourself !

Hey Carlos... it sounds so good doesn't it to most people who have a DREAM of us all coming together in mutual effort and with love to help each other, surviving in a big happy community ... Well i am sorry to disappoint you and all other dreamers here on the forum... Have you lately spoken to your neighbor lately .. maybe one of them and he/she/they are good people.. correct??? Times have changes and the Elite Rulers have been successful in keeping my neighbors heads deeply buried in the ground, and when they lift up their heads and enters their cars to drive wherever, WATCH HOW THEY ARE DRIVING, and learn how they are!! Watch their expressions in their faces... BLOODY EMPTY.. DUMB .. I don't want to know my neighbors since they are lost already... too late mate... i am leaving to a place where there are No neighbors and that is to protect my wife and son... This planet really needs a cleansing of these organic robots or let them occupy the dangerous jobs.. he he they are doing that now anyway.. Stop having too much compassion for others, except for the children who are to be helped for any cause.
Sound like i am really cold, but i really do love you all... First we all have to wake up properly, then we have to save ourselves (body and mind cleansing) and our first hand families, then the time is there to help others who REALLY want to be helped...

In Love and Truth
Honestly yours
Peter

[Midnight Rambler]

Certainly I have heard this from more than one source.
To the best of my memory a whole civilisation disappeared and what was also unusual was that there was no fortification-- no evidence of warfare--- no mass grave site as you would expect with a war like society, no weapons.

The ancient North-American civilisation of the Anasazi comes to mind. Some say that this civilisation mysteriously disappeared from the face of the earth.

Ancient Aliens Link (http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens/videos/legends-of-the-anasazi#legends-of-the-anasazi)

The Anasazi also had so called Ant-People on their mural art. Some say these resemble the well known greys.


http://wallpaperswide.com/download/mesa_verde_national_park_montezuma_county_colorado_united_states-wallpaper-1920x1080.jpg

[eileenrose]

re: "Anasazi" see the information I posted on post #45, re: Joan Ocean and Sasquatch. They (Sasquatch - one particular English educated group - I'm not kidding) led her on quite the merry chase researching these people according to all the articles she has posted on her website and I thought she said the same thing (they left in mass thousands of years ago from N. America. but couldn't find that exact page in all her writings tonight).

[Hervé]

[...]

Could you please check the last link to Dolores Canon? I'm unable to to view that and I'd like to finish reviewing what you intended to share.

Many Thanks,
Marin

Thanks for alerting me on the defective link.

It's fixed now and the direct link to Dolores' video is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=riQdyr1hkuI

[Marin]

Like Max Igan keeps pushing, make as start by getting to know your neighbours better, because they will be your only assets when the shtf.

You can't plant a field and harvest it all by yourself !

Hey Carlos... it sounds so good doesn't it to most people who have a DREAM of us all coming together in mutual effort and with love to help each other, surviving in a big happy community ... Well i am sorry to disappoint you and all other dreamers here on the forum... Have you lately spoken to your neighbor lately .. maybe one of them and he/she/they are good people.. correct??? Times have changes and the Elite Rulers have been successful in keeping my neighbors heads deeply buried in the ground, and when they lift up their heads and enters their cars to drive wherever, WATCH HOW THEY ARE DRIVING, and learn how they are!! Watch their expressions in their faces... BLOODY EMPTY.. DUMB .. I don't want to know my neighbors since they are lost already... too late mate... i am leaving to a place where there are No neighbors and that is to protect my wife and son... This planet really needs a cleansing of these organic robots or let them occupy the dangerous jobs.. he he they are doing that now anyway.. Stop having too much compassion for others, except for the children who are to be helped for any cause.
Sound like i am really cold, but i really do love you all... First we all have to wake up properly, then we have to save ourselves (body and mind cleansing) and our first hand families, then the time is there to help others who REALLY want to be helped...

In Love and Truth
Honestly yours
Peter

Interesting you should say that. Last year I ordered the Nag Hammadi Scriptures and the Emerald Tablets of Thoth on-line. When the package arrived I opened it up and found the Nag Hammadi Scriptures but instead of the the Emerald Tablets of Thoth there was a bunch of computer hardware in the package. I thought Amazon made a shipping mistake - then I looked at the mailing address. It was for my next door neighbor. Turns out - we have a few things in common. He's already read a slew of Ancient Egypt books and is familiar with much of the material discussed here on Avalon. Who would have known. :)

Side note: Amazon has never made a shipping "mistake" like that before AND we both ordered the same book on the same day. Coincidence? Moreover, when we were discussing books and other related material he shared that one of his family members is also a Ham radio operator.

I'm feeling our neighbors are a pretty good resource. :)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.


... in this case 2 million inhabitants disappearing without any trace, would document an ascention into another place.

[...]

Disproven!

Watch these 5 short videos:



BYUEnwxPVGk

the full set, in 5 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6k...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bab6kDtFTJA&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEn...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYUEnwxPVGk&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-N4Cz8N5o&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcd...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDcdemaTac&feature=relmfu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4...feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpC4P6-Rjo&feature=relmfu)


Now compare the above to this Dolores Canon interpretation of the same event from the data she collected from patients under "deep hypnosis":

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/05/delores-cannon-the-mayan-calendar-2012-and-the-new-earth/

I quit listening to her after the first few minutes of her blabber on "ascension."

With no crops growing... the harvest was of the souls... what a way to ascend!

********************************************************

Edit: Link to Dolores' video quoted above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=riQdyr1hkuI


Ah Amzer Zo, the only thing this video proves is there was a drought some time around the time of their dissapearence. This can be taken as a sign for them to leave, even if they didnt ascend which is possible too. Please understand we dont really know because there are no remains. If there are no remains we cannot establish a corpus delicti. Which means evidense provided is inconclusive of both the ascention theory and the drougt theory.

We are stuck in limbo here however we find in history quite a few higly advanced and spiritual indigenous civilisations mysteriously vanish. Now can we safely say that other dimentions do exist? If yes then why discount the ability to move there? are we limiting our thinking to the point you cant get to 5 d unless you are born there? Sorry but thats a flat planet style of thinking.

People can move into other dimentions, and the ones who believe this dont care who believes it or not. The Dolores video was awesome by the way, it illustrates exactly what i was trying to say so thank you :-)

N
N

[Hervé]

[...]

... there are no remains.

[...]

N
N

From your comment, it seems you actually didn't watch all 5 videos or else didn't listen to what was said.

The remains they did find was of the priesthood and elite... beheaded!

The guess is that the population got quite pissed at their priests/gurus and got rid of them -- like in the so-called French "Revolution" -- and, unless they all starved to death, went on to find greener pastures... and most probably had to fight with the owners of said "greener pastures."

[WhiteFeather]

The more that become consciously awake/aware can consciously tilt this pinball game towards a positive outcome. And I believe this games about to get tilted.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

[...]

... there are no remains.

[...]

N
N

From your comment, it seems you actually didn't watch all 5 videos or else didn't listen to what was said.

The remains they did find was of the priesthood and elite... beheaded!

The guess is that the population got quite pissed at their priests/gurus and got rid of them -- like in the so-called French "Revolution" -- and, unless they all starved to death, went on to find greener pastures... and most probably had to fight with the owners of said "greener pastures."


The heads were of a particular family. In the results of the finding of their skulls was they deduced the people were all related, ie the 30 they found.

Yes its likely they moved on, this is the most widely accepted theory. Logically an advanced race wouldnt just sit there and die. If they could look into the future and read the cosmic tides then for sure they could predict basic weather patterns.

The question is where did they go to? Id like to know as well, i mean i think i know but i cant prove it nor do i care to. Your theory accounts for 30 people, where are the other 1.99 million people? Where? There must be remains somewhere else? A way to track their movements? Historically archaeologists have been able to track migratory patterns of all walks of life, except the mayans. Why is this?

You cant answer it because nobody knows, if nobody knows then its plausible they shifted to another plane, dimention etc.

:-)

N

[Watching from Cyprus]

Like Max Igan keeps pushing, make as start by getting to know your neighbours better, because they will be your only assets when the shtf.

You can't plant a field and harvest it all by yourself !

Hey Carlos... it sounds so good doesn't it to most people who have a DREAM of us all coming together in mutual effort and with love to help each other, surviving in a big happy community ... Well i am sorry to disappoint you and all other dreamers here on the forum... Have you lately spoken to your neighbor lately .. maybe one of them and he/she/they are good people.. correct??? Times have changes and the Elite Rulers have been successful in keeping my neighbors heads deeply buried in the ground, and when they lift up their heads and enters their cars to drive wherever, WATCH HOW THEY ARE DRIVING, and learn how they are!! Watch their expressions in their faces... BLOODY EMPTY.. DUMB .. I don't want to know my neighbors since they are lost already... too late mate... i am leaving to a place where there are No neighbors and that is to protect my wife and son... This planet really needs a cleansing of these organic robots or let them occupy the dangerous jobs.. he he they are doing that now anyway.. Stop having too much compassion for others, except for the children who are to be helped for any cause.
Sound like i am really cold, but i really do love you all... First we all have to wake up properly, then we have to save ourselves (body and mind cleansing) and our first hand families, then the time is there to help others who REALLY want to be helped...

In Love and Truth
Honestly yours
Peter

Interesting you should say that. Last year I ordered the Nag Hammadi Scriptures and the Emerald Tablets of Thoth on-line. When the package arrived I opened it up and found the Nag Hammadi Scriptures but instead of the the Emerald Tablets of Thoth there was a bunch of computer hardware in the package. I thought Amazon made a shipping mistake - then I looked at the mailing address. It was for my next door neighbor. Turns out - we have a few things in common. He's already read a slew of Ancient Egypt books and is familiar with much of the material discussed here on Avalon. Who would have known. :)

Side note: Amazon has never made a shipping "mistake" like that before AND we both ordered the same book on the same day. Coincidence? Moreover, when we were discussing books and other related material he shared that one of his family members is also a Ham radio operator.

I'm feeling our neighbors are a pretty good resource. :)

Marin, you are lucky, and i am so pleased for you and your neighbor ;-) and thanks for a lovely true story ... I live in Cyprus....................... and have to search far for non egoists ... Well there is good people everywhere.. i will try my luck in the mountain villages.

Sincerely yours
Peter

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

In my opinion, the Mayas weren´t a highly spiritually evolved indigenous civilization.

Come on, those folks used to "sacrifice" their own kind by the thousands to please their gods; they even had some sport games which were played using heads as balls.

This isn´t quite the definition of spiritually advanced in my book.

However, in terms of knowledge they were quite advanced indeed.

Civilizations come and go. Just because we don´t know what happened it doesn´t mean it was something paranormal. There are countless much more tangible possibilities to analyze before simply jumping to the conclusion that they´ve ascended somehow.

Anyway, as fair as I know ( I might be wrong) , the Mayas never disappeared. Their civilization lasted from 2000 BC to 900 AD where they started to decline...Then what was left from their civilization really suffered with the Spanish colonization but even nowadays there´s a huge number of Maya descendants in that area.

The drought theory is the most accepted nowadays as the most possible reason for their decline; A lot of people, no food.

A lot of them might have died in the forest, while trying to migrate somewhere ( the forest is pretty dangerous by itself and the other tribes from the neighborhood weren´t friendly at all) and, since they used to sacrifice their own kind, I don´t discard the possibility of massive cannibalism as well.

Just my two cents anyway.

Raf.

[Hervé]

[...]

You cant answer it because nobody knows, if nobody knows then its plausible they shifted to another plane, dimention etc.

:-)

N

Personally, I think they went on and became tooth-fairies :) .

[Nanoo Nanoo]

[...]

You cant answer it because nobody knows, if nobody knows then its plausible they shifted to another plane, dimention etc.

:-)

N

Personally, I think they went on and became tooth-fairies :) .

LOL ! judging by their love of filing teeth down id say you were right : 0 )

I was racking my brain today as i usually do and i have enjoyed this discussion. Challenging each other helps us dig into more interesting info.

I was thinking today , Why has the the alternative media been fixated on the Mayan Calendar for the last 10 years and so fascinated on this 2012 thing ? all to do with THEIR calendar .. and its us in alternative media and ptb by all reports treat this very seriously too. We cannot deny hollywoods obsession with it as well... they dont spend millions on movies that dont have some sort of back end interest.. using current events to change typography,...

So what im bafflled about is the Mayans obvious connection to the lets say Spirit World , Interdimentional Spaces etc ... amazing knowledge on cosmic cycles that modern astronimers use as models for learning... and without so much as a calculator. So much obvious resource ... So, have we all gotten excited about a calendar that ends ? with no explanation as to why ? but many theories ...

What is the purpose of this obsession of we didnt intrinsically believe they have some sort of supernatural abilities ? i am very surious .. ( i think thats seriously curious lol )

N

[Hervé]

As I posted somewhere else:

Well... it's a "clock!"

Take the analogy of the "Long count" being a 24-hour clock and the "Short count" being the 12-hour dial of any ordinary clock. Two Short Counts for one Long Count... and every day, at midnight, the new day replaces the one just expired.

The only trouble is that no one knows what cycle they started their bloody clock on. That is, what kind of "day" their "clock" is measuring.

Then, when one thinks of all the various religious "clocks" with not one related to the other and none having anything to do with the price of fish.

However, taking into account their sacrificial rituals and their obsession with taking out beating hearts out of victims' chests and compare it to satanic/cabbal/illuminati rituals, maybe they didn't go anywhere else than earth and re-incarnated in these "elite" families.

[Daughter of Time]

As I posted somewhere else:

Well... it's a "clock!"

Take the analogy of the "Long count" being a 24-hour clock and the "Short count" being the 12-hour dial of any ordinary clock. Two Short Counts for one Long Count... and every day, at midnight, the new day replaces the one just expired.

The only trouble is that no one knows what cycle they started their bloody clock on. That is, what kind of "day" their "clock" is measuring.

Then, when one thinks of all the various religious "clocks" with not one related to the other and none having anything to do with the price of fish.

However, taking into account their sacrificial rituals and their obsession with taking out beating hearts out of victims' chests and compare it to satanic/cabbal/illuminati rituals, maybe they didn't go anywhere else than earth and re-incarnated in these "elite" families.

I fully agree with you! And I will add to what you've said, if you don't mind.

2012 is the end of a cycle - some say 24,000 years and some say 26,000 years - either way, it's just a couple of thousand years difference - no big deal!

It has been said by some of those who operate from a higher level of consciousness that during each of these cycles, a human being has the opportunities, through re-incarnations, to learn to operate from a higher level of consciousness. So we are nearing the end of the cycle. Have we (as individuals) learned to live from a higher level of consciousness? If we have, we will evolve. We will survive, even if not in the physical, but in the spiritual, so as not to be harvested but to become as free as a human soul can be at this point in time on this planet. If we have not learned to operate from a higher level of consciousness then, at the end of this cycle, we will digress.

And I particularly agree with your last paragraph. The Mayans were both very smart, very knowledgeable and very cruel. They probably did re-incarnate into today's illuminati, etc.,

[CdnSirian]

Wow this thread has really travelled from Duncan's and Miranda's "exit" from their blog. They've stated who they are. They've stated what they can do. We are free to participate in learning from them.

I understand where they've had it with the BS - though I doubt Avalonians should take this personally.

They have special gifts as do many of we.

"Happy Trails to them
Until we meet again"....

Because we will.

[Marin]

Ascension. It's one of those prickly topics few want to discuss. As of yet, I don't think we've even scratched the surface in terms of understanding the possibilities of this discussion. By design, I'm not sure we can.

As a scientist and researcher, I've been trained to follow a standardized scientific method. However, as a spiritual being, I've learned to allow for all possibilities; to trust my gut and follow my instincts.

We all came here with different backgrounds, abilities and soul experiences. With this in mind, people will approach this topic altogether differently. That's cool. From my perspective - that's by design. That's why we have this forum. It's an opportunity to share and discuss. I don't think any topic, as long as it's discussed respectfully, should be dismissed.

I do FEEL we are entering a new cycle. Something altogether different. My gut tells me that trying to navigate through that new cycle with our current mindset won't work.

As a previous poster suggested, change is taking place all around us. That's hard to ignore. We've been talking about "putting our life jackets on" and remembering who we are and why we came here. My question: Why are there parameters surrounding the unknown? Change is clearly in the air. Perhaps that change and the solutions to navigating through them lie outside our current paradigm.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

[QUOTE=Nanoo Nanoo;568926]Im not a big believer in ascention but its not because it cant happen. Its been documented in our history to have happened before but to a race that was spiritually connected.

It has? Do please share a link to the documentation.

The Mayans did not disappear. They are still living out their lives and sharing their histories. The Mayan civilization, however, underwent a dramatic change. As everyone knows, they were a high civilization with large cities. The Mayan way of warfare was not to kill, but to capture populations and enslave them. This changed suddenly around 900 a.d. and the slaughter of populations caused the cities to be abandoned as no longer safe. This did not happen overnight. The people melted away from the dense population centers and the Mayan civilization entered a slow decline for the next 600 years. Then around 1500 a.d when the Spanish showed up, they quickly overwhelmed the few pockets of what was left of the Mayan civilization. The Mayan people, however, are still alive and well.

The "Mystery of the Maya" disappearance is a mythological holdover from the early days of western archaeology. The riddle has long been solved, but the myth remains in the collective culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY38X-6PjUc

[AwakeInADream]

The text, copied and pasted, for easier reading:

The days of darkness are knocking on your doors.
How many of you are ready?
How many hang on every word of the love and lighters feeding you the lie of "Ascension?"
Do most of you really believe you are worthy of Ascension?
You believe the lies because it feels better.
You ignore the truth because it overwhelms you.
But it does not change what is -- and what will be.
How many of you believe your "channeled" space brothers are going to save you?
Many of you still believe your Governments will come to the rescue. Ha,ha.
And you can keep on believing the "former" these and those and people with "inside sources" until the cows come home.
You can stay on your lazy asses and believe these things.
Your choice.
But the only thing that's going to save your ass --
Is you.
Until you stop being petty, selfish, lazy, ego-driven, thinking with the "ME" complex,
and start learning to work together ...
then I dare say,
the human race is lost.
No matter if we are successful in our job or not.

Time is up.

What are you going to do?

D &M

Has anyone else noticed that when you blur your vision, this text appears as the head of a grey alien?