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Cidersomerset
15th October 2012, 15:10
Gary Mc Kinnons life will be decided tommorrow , in a ridiculous situation which should have been sorted 10 years ago with Gary serving a six month community sentance.This has dragged on with the Pentagon wanting blood for their inept security and to hide their blushes! They know Gary is no terrorist!!All the main members of the current coalition supported Garys case against extradition when they were in opposition.
Now they are in power their support has been suspiciously quite !!

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BACK IN 2010 the coalition said they would look into the unfair extradion case & treaty..

Gary McKinnon Extradition. Will Nick Clegg and coalition go back on their word?

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The extradition proceedings against Gary McKinnon have been halted for the time being. Nick Clegg was one of the most vocal opponents against the McKinnon extradition, along with other prominent politicians from the coalition. But will U.S. pressure be too much? Hopefully not. The new government have a serious commitment to overhauling the current UK/US Extradition Act.




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Published on 15 Oct 2012 by RussiaToday
He claims he was just looking for UFO's, but could now face 60 years in a U.S. prison.

For almost a decade Washington has been demanding the extradition of the autistic UK hacker Gary McKinnon under a treaty designed to get hold of terrorists.

A final decision's expected on Tuesday, but as Laura Smith reports, London could still step in.

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Published on 14 Oct 2012 by SooperNews


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Gary McKinnon, a British computer hacker who has been fighting a ten-year battle against extradition to the United States is set to learn his fate. McKinnon was a Scottish systems administrator when he found himself labeled as the biggest military computer hacker of all time by the United States. He was accused of hacking into computers at the Pentagon and NASA. The Home Secretary will tell parliament whether the government accepts medical reports suggesting McKinnon, who suffers from Aspergers and is on the Autism specturm, would be a risk to himself if he was sent for trial in the US. Al Jazeera's Peter Sharp reports from London.

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Published on 15 Oct 2012 by sandyvideoz

Gary McKinnon's mother on US extradition decision.A computer hacker from north London will find out in the next 48 hours if he will to be extradited to the United States.



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THE TELEGRAPH...

McKinnon extradition fight 'cruel'

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/2190194/?type=articlePortrait
Gary McKinnon will find out on Tuesday if he will be reprieved from extradition to the US


Computer hacker Gary McKinnon's 10-year battle against extradition to the United States has been like "waterboarding of the mind", his mother has said.

Janis Sharp said the ups and downs of his fight were "so cruel" as she desperately hopes Home Secretary Theresa May blocks the extradition and ends his pain on Tuesday. McKinnon, who suffers from Asperger syndrome, admits hacking into US military computers but claims he was looking for evidence of UFOs.

Ms Sharp said: "It's like waterboarding of the mind - you're elated you're down, it's so cruel. I'm still scared and will be waking up at 3am tomorrow."

She did however admit that a Home Office report saying McKinnon was very likely to attempt to kill himself if extradited, along with a US defence expert's comments that hackers should be recruited rather than prosecuted, had raised her hopes.

Ms Sharp added: "It makes me optimistic, but nevertheless I'm still scared, we've had so many ups and downs."

So many, she said, that it had been "like waterboarding of the mind", a simulated drowning technique which became notorious after its use by CIA interrogators on Guantanamo Bay terror suspects.


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Prime Minister David Cameron has raised McKinnon's case with US President Barack Obama twice "and each time I thought we were nearly home and dry but nothing happens", Ms Sharp said.

"I'm more optimistic now. I don't see how they could say that in evidence and then extradite. It's quite a change to how it was previously."

Both Mr Cameron and his deputy, Nick Clegg, have previously publicly condemned plans to send McKinnon to the US.

"People like this would not use Gary's case as a key part of an election campaign and then leave him for two-and-a-half years and then throw him to the wolves," Ms Sharp added.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/national/news/9985711.McKinnon_extradition_fight__cruel_/


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THE INDEPENDENT

Computer hacker Gary McKinnon's 10-year battle against extradition to the United States has been like “waterboarding of the mind”, his mother has said.


Janis Sharp said the ups and downs of his fight were "so cruel" as she desperately hopes Home Secretary Theresa May blocks the extradition and ends his pain tomorrow.

The 46-year-old who suffers from Asperger's syndrome - a high-functioning form of autism - admits hacking into US military computers but claims he was looking for evidence of UFOs.

Ms Sharp admitted that a Home Office report saying McKinnon was very likely to attempt to kill himself if extradited, along with a US defence expert's comments that hackers should be recruited rather than prosecuted, had raised her hopes.

But she added she was "still scared" ahead of tomorrow's decision.

"It's like waterboarding of the mind - you're elated you're down, it's so cruel," Ms Sharp said.

"I'm still scared and will be waking up at 3am tomorrow."

Two recent developments in McKinnon's case have allowed his mother to feel "more optimistic", she said.

A Home Office medical report now agrees with McKinnon's psychiatrists that he was very likely to attempt suicide if sent for trial in the US, where he faces up to 60 years behind bars.

And a US government adviser said in July that instead of prosecuting elite computer hackers, the US government should recruit them to launch cyber-attacks against Islamist terrorists and other foes.

John Arquilla, a professor of defence analysis at the US Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, said hackers like McKinnon were "like shy woodland animals" who should be employed rather than prosecuted.

He lambasted lengthy jail terms for hacking, saying it "poisoned" relations between both sides, and disagreed with the attempt to extradite McKinnon, who has been accused by one US prosecutor of the "biggest military hack of all time" using the code name Solo.

Ms Sharp said: "It makes me optimistic, but nevertheless I'm still scared, we've had so many ups and downs."

So many, she said, that it had been "like waterboarding of the mind", a simulated drowning technique which became notorious after its use by CIA interrogators on Guantanamo Bay terror suspects.

Prime Minister David Cameron has raised McKinnon's case with US President Barack Obama twice "and each time I thought we were nearly home and dry but nothing happens", Ms Sharp said.

"I'm more optimistic now. I don't see how they could say that in evidence and then extradite.

"It's quite a change to how it was previously."

Asked if she had allowed herself to get her hopes up, Ms Sharp said: "Yes, but I'm scared still."

Both Mr Cameron and his deputy, Nick Clegg, have previously publicly condemned plans to send McKinnon to the US.

"People like this would not use Gary's case as a key part of an election campaign and then leave him for two-and-a-half years and then throw him to the wolves," she added.

"It would seriously damage their reputations in terms of honesty and integrity.

"I will respect him (Mr Cameron) when I know Theresa May and David Cameron have the strength to say no."

For McKinnon, "this is the most dreadful time ever", Ms Sharp said.

"It's been so hard. People don't realise it's the only thing on your mind, there's nothing else in your life. He's lost 10 years of his youth."

She went on: "He just sits there. He's scared, he can't go out because people recognise him."

Despite being a keen musician, he has not picked up any instrument in years and, as he was banned from going online, he was "not allowed any outlet".

"He sits in the dark with his two cats," she said.

"I just hope that this is the end in a positive way and he gets time to recover."

McKinnon is waiting with "anxiety, but hope" that the Home Secretary will halt his extradition, his lawyer Karen Todner said.

"It has been a long 11-year battle to fight this extradition and we wait with anxiety, but hope, that the Home Secretary will uphold the promises previously made by Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg," she said.

"We hope that our elected Government will uphold the promises they made whilst in Opposition and will prevent Mr McKinnon's extradition to America."

McKinnon, from Wood Green, north London, was arrested in 2002, and then again in 2005, before an order for his extradition was made in July 2006 under the 2003 Extradition Act.

That triggered three successive applications for judicial review and questions about the fairness of the UK-US extradition treaty, which critics claim is "one-sided".

An independent review of the UK's extradition arrangements by Sir Scott Baker last year found the current treaty between the US and the UK was both balanced and fair.

But the Government is under pressure to ignore its findings after MPs called on ministers to bring forward new laws and attempt to change the UK-US extradition treaty.

In a House of Commons debate in December, Tory MP Dominic Raab said: "Gary McKinnon should not be treated like some gangland mobster or al Qaida mastermind."

If Mrs May decides to allow extradition to go ahead, McKinnon's lawyers are expected to launch a last-ditch application for judicial review to challenge the decision.

A provisional hearing date has been set in the High Court for November 28 and 29.

McKinnon refused over the summer to undergo further medical tests by a Home Office-appointed expert during his battle to avoid removal.

Michael Caplan QC, an extradition specialist at Kingsley Napley LLP, said the extradition arrangements should be changed to enable the UK courts to decide where best to try a case.

"It should be for a British judge to hear all the arguments in favour of domestic prosecution and balance those against the requesting country's application for extradition," he said.

Melanie Riley, of the campaign group Friends-Extradited, added: "Britain was sold a pup in 2003 - it's time for this Government to right the wrongs."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gary-mckinnon-extradition-fight-is-cruel-says-his-mother-8212012.html

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chancy
15th October 2012, 15:47
Hello Everyone:
Following Gary McKinnons case for years and years I find it very ridiculous to know that a young man at the time was just looking at websites that were open to the public.
For going to websites that had no security. For such "supposedly top secret" computers all open to the public seems to me that Gary didn't do anything wrong. He is being used as a scapegoat for someones idea of a joke on anyone that was checking out these websites. Gary was caught in the snare of beauracracy.
My prayers and concern goes out to Gary and family for the torment that he and his family have suffered for so long. It's time for the beauracrats to STOP this nonsense and let him have a life with freedom by doing the right thing.
That right thing is to exonerate him immediately!
chancy

noprophet
15th October 2012, 16:07
He was also looking for information on free energy.


And the whole suppressed technology thing, which kind of grabbed my humanitarian side. I thought: Crikey, we're having wars over oil, and we're burning fossil fuels, polluting the environment, and we have old age pensioners dying in Britain because they can't afford to heat themselves because fuel bills are so high.

And so I thought: Why on Earth is this technology being sat on? I can see perhaps some of the arguments that may be for it. For example, you know, what if terrorists had free energy, or terrorists had antigravity? Well, you know, what if terrorists had guns? Everything's dual-use. You have to protect it, make it tamper-proof, anything, but just get it out to the public. Surely everyone should have it.
- Gary, Camelot interview

Limor Wolf
15th October 2012, 17:46
My thoughts and prays to Gary, Thank you Cidersomerset for the reminder and the respectful presentation. If they will decide to extradite Gary, then it is more than reasonable that they will put their own goal, because the level of interest of the masses will be increased, and people will start to ask themselves: what does the government and military has to hide? pure concentrated energy goes to Gary!

Cidersomerset
16th October 2012, 10:48
Gary McKinnon extradition: Cameron and Clegg told to honour promises
David Cameron and Nick Clegg will face accusations of betrayal if they agree to the extradition of a computer hacker whom they had defended before the election.

Viedeo interview with Janice on link..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9610171/Gary-McKinnon-extradition-Cameron-and-Clegg-told-to-honour-promises.html

By Martin Beckford, Home Affairs Editor
10:00PM BST 15 Oct 2012

In opposition, both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat party leaders had argued forcefully that Gary McKinnon should stand trial in Britain rather than America for breaking into military networks.

Mr Cameron had said he was “deeply saddened and worried” about the case and claimed there was “no compassion” in sending a “vulnerable young man” thousands of miles away from his family, to serve up to 60 years in prison.

Mr Clegg called the Labour government’s decision to extradite Mr McKinnon a “disgrace” and a “hammer blow to British justice”.

In opposition Chris Grayling, now Justice Secretary; Dominic Grieve, now the Attorney General; and James Brokenshire, now the Security Minister, also expressed support for Mr McKinnon in his lengthy fight against extradition.

But although Theresa May ordered a review of the medical evidence soon after the general election in 2010, the threat of deportation has continued to loom over Mr McKinnon and his family.

On Tuesday, more than 10 years since he was first arrested by British police over the “biggest military computer hack of all time”, Mr McKinnon will finally learn his fate.

The Home Secretary will announce to the House of Commons the long-awaited decision on his extradition, as well as the Government’s response to an independent review of the treaty with the US following claims it is “one-sided”.

Mr McKinnon’s lawyer said on the eve of the ruling that she hoped the Prime Minister and his deputy would honour the promises they made previously.

Karen Todner said: “It has been a long 11-year battle to fight this extradition and we wait with anxiety, but hope, that the Home Secretary will uphold the promises previously made by Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg.

“We hope that our elected Government will uphold the promises they made whilst in Opposition and will prevent Mr McKinnon's extradition to America.”

She added that psychiatrists instructed by the Home Office agree that Mr McKinnon, who has Asperger’s Syndrome, would be at high risk of attempting suicide if he were transferred to the US for trial.

His mother, Janis Sharp, said her son, now 46, had spent the past decade in a “zombified” state with the threat of jail in a foreign country hanging over him, and banned from going online. Mr McKinnon admits hacking into Pentagon networks but says he was only trying to find evidence for the existence of UFOs.

Mrs Sharp said the new medical reports had raised her hopes that her son might win a last-minute reprieve, but she remained scared of what might happen.

Asked about the former support of senior politicians, she said: “People like this would not use Gary's case as a key part of an election campaign and then leave him for two-and-a-half years and then throw him to the wolves.

“It would seriously damage their reputations in terms of honesty and integrity.

“I will respect him (Mr Cameron) when I know Theresa May and David Cameron have the strength to say no.”

Lawyers for Mr McKinnon, who lives in Palmers Green, north London, may try a last-ditch application for judicial review in November if extradition is approved.

Experts say the case should prompt the Government to change the current system by including a test of which would be the fairest jurisdiction in which to hold a trial.

Michael Caplan, QC, an extradition specialist at Kingsley Napley LLP, said: “It should be for a British judge to hear all the arguments in favour of domestic prosecution and balance those against the requesting country's application for extradition.

“He will have in mind where most of the conduct took place and where the trial should take place in the interests of justice.

“A forum test could prevent the delays and controversies we have seen in recent extradition cases.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9610171/Gary-McKinnon-extradition-Cameron-and-Clegg-told-to-honour-promises.html


Home secretaries verdict due soon !!

bennycog
16th October 2012, 10:52
Gary the super trooper.. this guy is going to be one of many we look back on and give thanks to in the future..

Cidersomerset
16th October 2012, 10:59
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ShareFacebookTwitter.Gary McKinnon extradition: Theresa May to rule on hacker

Home Secretary Theresa May is due to announce whether computer hacker Gary McKinnon will be extradited to the US.

Mr McKinnon, who admits accessing US government computers but claims he was looking for evidence of UFOs, has been fighting extradition since 2002.

The 46-year-old, who has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, could face 60 years in jail if convicted in the US.

Mr McKinnon, who admits accessing US government computers but claims he was looking for evidence of UFOs, has been fighting extradition since 2002.

The 46-year-old, who has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, could face 60 years in jail if convicted in the US.

Meanwhile, reports suggest that Mrs May will also announce changes to Britain's extradition arrangements with the US.

Mr McKinnon's case has been highlighted by critics who say it is too easy for the US to demand the handover of UK citizens.

David Cameron raised the issue with President Barack Obama during a meeting at the White House in March and said he would like to see a review.

Court decision

The Daily Mail reports the home secretary is planning to introduce a measure that would make it more likely UK citizens would be tried in the UK - if that is where their alleged crimes took place.

The newspaper says the introduction of the so-called forum bar means a court hearing would have to be held to decide where a person should stand trial.

It says Mrs May will make the announcement when she addresses the Commons to give her ruling on Mr McKinnon, from Wood Green, north London.

Mr McKinnon's lawyer, Karen Todner, said she had been calling for such a move for years.

She told the BBC: "It would be absolutely fantastic if she does bring that in - but she must combine it with not sending Gary."

BBC legal correspondent Clive Coleman said this would be "seismic" for the UK's extradition arrangements with the US.

He said the measure was already part of an amendment to the Extradition Act but had never been given legislative force - it would require the approval of both Houses of Parliament.

US authorities have described the Glasgow-born hacker's actions as the "biggest military computer hack of all time" and have demanded he face justice in America.

They insisted his hacking was "intentional and calculated to influence and affect the US government by intimidation and coercion".

The Americans said his actions caused $800,000 (£487,000) worth of damage to military computer systems.


Mr McKinnon's mother, Janis Sharp, told the BBC her son had lived a "zombified life" for the past decade, which had "destroyed him".

Ms Sharp is calling for him to be tried in the UK and believes extradition powers would be used inappropriately if he was forced to travel to the US.

"This was supposed to be for terrorists this treaty - if you were in a country and you committed a heinous crime and you fled - it wasn't meant for this kind of thing."

She added that Mr McKinnon's Asperger's Syndrome - a form of autism - meant he believed he would be put to death if he was extradited.

Mr McKinnon's MP, David Burrowes, said he would resign as a parliamentary aide if his constituent was extradited.

He said: "From Gary's point of view there's no plan B. It's the fact of extradition, once that decision is made then as far as he's concerned that's the end of his life.

"That's his firm conclusion, it's been verified by medical experts and that would seem compelling human rights grounds. He's going to take his life, what greater human right is he going to lose?"

Isabelle Sankey, policy director of human rights group Liberty, said Mr McKinnon was a vulnerable person who should not be extradited.

"He's got Asperger's Syndrome, he's in absolute terror about what might happen to him if he gets over to the US and medical experts have talked about the fact that he's actually at risk of suicide," she said.

"It's absolute madness in this case to take him abroad and we very much hope the home secretary shows some compassion and common sense."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19957138

mescalitto
16th October 2012, 11:27
A possible 60 year sentence is just crazy, i think this must highlight just how embarrased the US government are that a lowly hacker could even get close to where he shouldnt be.
Maybe they want him under their wing (so to speak). Apparently it rendered the US governments computers unusable? (Sniggers ) Good on you Gary . Love and light to you bud

Cidersomerset
16th October 2012, 11:34
Gary the super trooper.. this guy is going to be one of many we look back on and give thanks to in the future..



agreed mate !!



A possible 60 year sentence is just crazy, i think this must highlight just how embarrased the US government are that a lowly hacker could even get close to where he shouldnt be.
Maybe they want him under their wing (so to speak). Apparently it rendered the US governments computers unusable? (Sniggers ) Good on you Gary . Love and light to you bud



This is so riduculous !! If they thought him a real terrorist threat he would have been in Guantanamo years ago !!

If he is sent for trial...It must mean he found evidence for UFO's or Free energy on their web site...

Otherwise its petty vindictiveness imo !!

Star Tsar
16th October 2012, 11:38
She's blocked it!
I cannot believe it!
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Cidersomerset
16th October 2012, 11:41
Gary Mc Kinnons Extradition Refused ....HURRAY !!


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