SO, how are we going to get off oil, gas and coal? (fossil fuel)

[nomadguy]

There are a lot of incredibly smart people on this forum so I am bringing this up.

Here is one inventor whom discusses small batteries that when shrunk generate MORE power.
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So I ask
Is it possible to use nano materials responsibly? ~ for the sake of new form of energy production?

Furthermore:

- What other sources of energy could be generated?

- Are we capable of enabling a population to use Zero-point energy responsibly?

- Can this version of humanity find a way to ween itself off of oil and/or
the dependent nature of colonist monopoly?

I welcome new ideas and comments for this topic is wide ranging.
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[Ilie Pandia]

As other threads here at Avalon go to show, the technology problem has been solved most likely a century ago, while Tesla was still alive.

So at this time, technology is not an issue any longer. Why don't we have it?! Because it's tightly suppressed. And it is so, because we allow it to be. Very few people are aware of Free Energy and its implications. Most have been duped into thinking that FE is not a reality and never will be, because it is "mathematically impossible", so in most people's minds Free Energy is a non-issue, and you gotta be pretty stupid to even think along those lines.

For a very good introduction into this field I highly recommend reading Wade's Frazier essay: Keys to Comprehending Abundance Based Paradigm (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm).

And the above essay branches out in many other reading materials, pondering the same questions as you do in the opening post.

[WhiteFeather]

We, the amateur home end user have to initiate it. Do our research and homework..if you will. Like Ilie said the technology is there, and its all around us. I find that You-tube has some great home end inventors in this sector. If we initialize this domain of knowing in the free energy field, it could have a tremendous snowball effect IMO. Therefore the proverbial Energy Mafia (Aka: Godzilla) would have a real problem suppressing the masses.

Heres A good video by a home end user. Enter.....The HH0 Cell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c

[DevilPigeon]

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It ain't gonna happen, not while there's oil in the ground and money to be made from it, and capitalism reigns supreme. Even when the oil's close to being exhausted, whatever "new technology" is set to replace it, make no mistake about it, those same companies that run the oil will have plans on how to control that too.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, our civilization became a hostage of our economic system.

Oil and energy companies are, right now, an essential part of the economic system and if they went broke because of a free energy system, the consequences would be disastrous for the economy.

The same thing works for other big economic pillars, like the pharmaceutical and weapons industries. If people stop getting sick, if people stop making wars, the economic consequences would be huge.

This sort of corporate capitalism is a monster with a life of its own; it has many arms and legs but it doesn´t have a heart, soul or consciousness, and, unfortunately, we all depend on this monster to keep our living standards stable.

So, it´s logical to think that a huge paradigm shift will only happen after this economic system is finally broke, so there will be no obstacles stopping us from building a better society. We would have nothing to lose.

Eventually, things will change for good. Unfortunately, it will not be a smooth process.

We´re starting to see the downfall of this system, but when it finally happens, we´ll live an unprecedented turbulent time before we can reestablish as a sustainable society.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Nick Matkin]

I am not convinced that any genuine 'free energy' technology could be suppressed. A good example would be the widespread reports of cold fusion in 1989 by Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. The media at the time was full of reports about the work and its possible implications. If there was any pressure on anyone to keep it quite, then it failed dramatically. Students in university labs and government research agencies all over the world scrambled to reproduce the results. The technique was out. No government or other agency could have stopped it. Did they even try?

Unfortunately on that occasion the large number of negative results, the withdrawal of many positive claims more-or-less ended the cold fusion debate. But the point is, if it were a genuine effect, if it had been a genuine breakthrough, it would be out there. The work was not suppressed, or if it were then every lab and student in the world experimenting with cold fusion must have been tracked down and threatened into silence.

There are many inventors that say they have made free-energy or over-unity devices and engines that run off water; you can view dozens of them on Youtube. As far as I can see, the vast majority of these inventors don't have any Big Money behind them. On the contrary, they are doing it in their garages and home workshops, which suggests to me that the technology is not that complex and doesn't actually need Big Money to be developed.

If amateur inventors can do it then it can't be that difficult now can it? Many of these guys (and I've not seen any women doing this!) say they have released or will release the details onto the web for the benefit of the world, for completely altruistic reasons.

That leaves us with relatively easily reproducible technology apparently known for decades, plans freely circulating around the internet (so the genie is out of the bottle) and an insatiable appetite for energy. So where is it?

There are surely any number of nations who would gladly develop/steel plans for this technology (North Korea springs to mind) who are outside the the all-powerful petrochemical-industrial cabal. And have they developed this technology? Was Kim Jong il threatened into silence?

What have I missed here? I'm minded to think there must be something in the claims, after all, they can't all be hoaxes, frauds, miscalculations or incorrect technical measurements - can they?

Nick

[TargeT]

I am not convinced that any genuine 'free energy' technology could be suppressed. A good example would be the widespread reports of cold fusion in 1989 by Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. The media at the time was full of reports about the work and its possible implications. If there was any pressure on anyone to keep it quite, then it failed dramatically. Students in university labs and government research agencies all over the world scrambled to reproduce the results. The technique was out. No government or other agency could have stopped it. Did they even try?

Unfortunately on that occasion the large number of negative results, the withdrawal of many positive claims more-or-less ended the cold fusion debate. But the point is, if it were a genuine effect, if it had been a genuine breakthrough, it would be out there. The work was not suppressed, or if it were then every lab and student in the world experimenting with cold fusion must have been tracked down and threatened into silence.



a PERFECT example of suppression! I can't think of a better example. the follow up tests to "prove" cold fuision all got their refined palladium from the same source... FROM A SINGLE SOURCE.. (that's just bad science if nothing else..).

I don't see how any conclusion but suppression can be drawn from that, especially in light of the Ecat (http://www.e-catworld.com/ & http://ecat.com/) which uses the same type of method for "cool" fusion (which has been wisely relabeled LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) mostly for PR purposes due to the sham that happened in late 1989.




There are many inventors that say they have made free-energy or over-unity devices and engines that run off water; you can view dozens of them on Youtube. As far as I can see, the vast majority of these inventors don't have any Big Money behind them. On the contrary, they are doing it in their garages and home workshops, which suggests to me that the technology is not that complex and doesn't actually need Big Money to be developed.

If amateur inventors can do it then it can't be that difficult now can it? Many of these guys (and I've not seen any women doing this!) say they have released or will release the details onto the web for the benefit of the world, for completely altruistic reasons.

That leaves us with relatively easily reproducible technology apparently known for decades, plans freely circulating around the internet (so the genie is out of the bottle) and an insatiable appetite for energy. So where is it?


As to those I cannot comment, I think there's a lot of "crap" out there as well as a few things that seem to have a lot of potential.




There are surely any number of nations who would gladly develop/steel plans for this technology (North Korea springs to mind) who are outside the the all-powerful petrochemical-industrial cabal. And have they developed this technology? Was Kim Jong il threatened into silence?

N Korea is deeply entrenched in the petrodollar's control, just look at the trade sanctions we STILL impose on them.




What have I missed here? I'm minded to think there must be something in the claims, after all, they can't all be hoaxes, frauds, miscalculations or incorrect technical measurements - can they?

Nick

I think you've missed a bit of detective work, that's all, but you are thinking exactly as desired.


and lets not even dig into LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) the nuclear technology that we had a functioning unit for over 10 years in the US... the method that is refered to as "burning rocks" (China is currently persuing this tech a long with others, WE already have it)
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[nomadguy]

OK
I like the idea of DIY free energy and I also like the idea of creating an overwhelming abundance of "various types" of energy generation.
Even on the small scale.
So...
Does anyone have a good idea of The most practical Free energy solution?

1. The need of large amounts of funding is not practical
2. The need for a system between many disconnected individuals is not practical
3. Fighting big oil(or big energy interests) in their current arena is not practical
4. Constantly turning to fear based thinking is not practical, we need to be adventurous.
~ Continuously stating that the system we are IN, needs to collapse and we need to go through a period of unprecedented struggle is not proactive, it causes more fear and unwillingness. I am very aware of what we are up against and I am fairly sure so are all of you. So the FEAR we share is quickly becoming the mute point. We are already facing the obvious problem and are in the midst of falling off that cliff. Now is the time to do this, there is NO need to wait.

[TargeT]

OK
I like the idea of DIY free energy and I also like the idea of creating an overwhelming abundance of "various types" of energy generation.
Even on the small scale.
So...
Does anyone have a good idea of The most practical Free energy solution?

1. The need of large amounts of funding is not practical
2. The need for a system between many disconnected individuals is not practical
3. Fighting big oil(or big energy interests) in their current arena is not practical
4. Constantly turning to fear based thinking is not practical, we need to be adventurous.
~ Continuously stating that the system we are IN, needs to collapse and we need to go through a period of unprecedented struggle is not proactive, it causes more fear and unwillingness. I am very aware of what we are up against and I am fairly sure so are all of you. So the FEAR we share is quickly becoming the mute point. We are already facing the obvious problem and are in the midst of falling off that cliff. Now is the time to do this, there is NO need to wait.

I think there may be some interesting info coming out soon

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49052-Modern-Electrical-Systems-Crimes-against-Man-THE-Sabbath-of-the-New-Science&highlight=7redorbs

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49742-Technology-for-a-New-Future-The-Proof-of-Earth-Magnet-Suckers-Pyramid-Builders

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47691-Edward-Leedskalnin-s-secret-of-the-Pyramid-Builders-Perpetual-Power

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48166-Electrical-Advertisement-A-message-to-experts-Build-your-Windmills-or-go-direct

I'm hopeful at least, from what little i understand there is some very interesting material in these threads (especially the top one)

[Fred Ryan]

It seems pretty clear that alternative energies exist and have existed for quite a long time. The real issue is the econonomic impacts of switching to these other sources. Remember, a large precentage of economic activity on the planet is related to the extraction, transport, refinement and ultimate retailing of carbon based fuels. If we were to make a quick transition to other energy sources not only would the economies of the middle East be devestated, but the economies of Nigeria, Ecuador, Mexico, US, Canada, Norway, UK, Russia and Azerbaijan (just to name a few) would be seriously impacted. Additionally, anyone with any kind of investment in the energy sector would likely have quite a bit to loss.

[nomadguy]

The above links ARE very much on topic, I recommend a review of each.


It seems pretty clear that alternative energies exist and have existed for quite a long time. The real issue is the econonomic impacts of switching to these other sources. Remember, a large precentage of economic activity on the planet is related to the extraction, transport, refinement and ultimate retailing of carbon based fuels. If we were to make a quick transition to other energy sources not only would the economies of the middle East be devestated, but the economies of Nigeria, Ecuador, Mexico, US, Canada, Norway, UK, Russia and Azerbaijan (just to name a few) would be seriously impacted. Additionally, anyone with any kind of investment in the energy sector would likely have quite a bit to loss.

Very true, however hitting the brick wall with our current energy sources would be worse than feeling some pain over switching our activities.

I will rephrase my questions a little, I am trying to see if anyone has any ideas about how we small people, whom are greatest in number, can help shift our current paradigm which is
the addiction to Earth's nonrenewable resources.


1. What can the regular everyday person do to shift this paradigm?

2. How can the regular every day activity change to help the switch?

3. What are you willing to change in your daily lives to help change the way we use energy?

In Today's world, on the whole we tend to use our time and energy as a consumption based activity.

In my mind the most practical energy resource would be a resource that anyone can access. A type of technology that a layman can generate. Like the bicycle generator.

http://gaianhabitat.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/b1.jpg

A fairly basic type technology when combined with another might do the trick,
Like for example the combination of,
a Bicycle generator + Perpetual magnet loop
http://www.kilty.com/graphics/magnet.gif
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/forever.gif

[mahalall]

One wise happy farmer

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[nomadguy]

One wise happy farmer

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That's the Spirit!

[gripreaper]

This is a very sentient post right here on Avalon:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=570944#post570944

[TargeT]

In Today's world, on the whole we tend to use our time and energy as a consumption based activity.

In my mind the most practical energy resource would be a resource that anyone can access. A type of technology that a layman can generate. Like the bicycle generator.


I agree, and that is why I posted 7redorbs's threads, I think the consumption life style has made us a bit lazy, convince everywhere.... This isn't necessarily a bad thing, this is a motivator we can use, we need to use our intelligence to make things easy for us.

energy is everywhere, just waiting to be tapped into it, if you haven't read and understood 7redorbs thread the concept is very simple:

we are so used to the energy abundance that is everywhere, that is in the very air we breath.

how do we tap into it and make it work for us?

Tesla knew, Ed L. knew... I'm sure it's been known on this world many times in the past, at least by more people than it is now.


ALL we have to do is create a vacuum, nature ABHORS a vacuum.

create a vacuum and make the energy work for US, just like a water wheel, just like hydro electric, just like wind power..... so simple, yet so un-thought of, so foreign to us, we think we have to WORK to make energy, or burn something..

it's so much simpler than that, so much easier.


that's the base concept as I understand it, the details are being worked out..... this isn't a new concept, the first time I heard of it was in Atlas Shrugged, just wait, it will come... we are seemingly in the "revealing time" now.

[Nick Matkin]

Well... I just watched all the video posted by TT in #7 above. A fascinating incite and exposure of the public's and politicians' complete lack of understanding or willingness to take on board new ideas and concepts. I had already heard of the thorium rector as an alternative to conventional reactors, but the report I previously heard dismissed it as 'unproven technology'. Well of course it is until someone does prove it!

The video also described how the media extensively covers what the public are afraid of (i.e. radiation) rather than explaining the facts. One of the facts shown being that there are areas of the world where natural background radiation is higher than man made radiation (there being no difference in practice) where cancers were LOWER in these 'high radiation regions' than in other regions. This strongly suggests the the uninformed shrieking public's claim that no level of radiation is acceptable is a load of bollocks.

Incidentally, I didn't realise that the majority of man-made radiation comes from radon gas, released with natural gas and shale-gas extraction. According to the video if the nuclear industry released equivalent amount of radiation it would be closed down.

I think the video also dispels the notion that free energy technology is being suppressed, if for no other reason than because China is going to such length to extract thorium and have its best physicist develop new types of nuclear energy. If there was even a hint of 'free energy' being possible, it appears China would just get on and do it and tell the so-called secret powers supposedly suppressing this technology to just *uck right off! And North Korea even more so!

Much as I would like to think free energy is possible right now (and no doubt will be in future when our knowledge of physics improves), I really can't imagine how complete world-wide 100% suppression could find its way into every workshop and lab in the world, including China, India and the Far East. There are some brilliant, highly motivated, altruistic scientists in this world, any one of which would release the knowledge and to hell with the consequences.

So... if even one claim on the internet turned out to be true, and despite the unimaginable disruption to the world's economy and economics, it would be out there. And my god, we'd all know about it.

Which leaves me with the question; if that is the case, why are there so many websites/forums/groups claiming this stuff exists? And how is it no one is making any money here? Or are they...? Is anyone on this forum truly producing "free energy"? And I don't just mean burning/fermenting cow dung!

Nick

P.S. I so want to be wrong for the sake of Gary McKinnon and similar folks.

[pugwash84]

Fossil fuels are like drugs, the dealers won't stop selling it because they make money from it and the drug addicts wont stop taking it and paying for it because this is the only way they know and can see no way out of the addiction. Drug addicts do not think about the effect they are having on their body because they are scared and see no way out from the addiction the same as most fossil fuel users are thinking about how they are currently and see no way out even though the whole planet is suffering.
This is a hard cycle to break because the dealer wont stop dealing because they are getting the money and the user wont stop using because they see no way out. The cycle needs to be broken and education and teaching people is the only way it is going to work, that way people will be able to stop using.
I hope this makes sense to you lol it is sometimes difficult putting into words the thoughts in my mind xxxxxxxxxxx

[Taurean]

Petrol 'produced from air and water'

Might there just be a reason why Oil is called a Hydrocarbon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20003704

http://phys.org/news/2012-10-air-fuel-synthesis-petrol-future.html