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mescalitto
18th October 2012, 23:58
Direct link to story : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/huge-moon-forming-collision-theory-gets-spin-191048398.html

The moon did indeed coalesce out of tiny bits of pulverized planet blasted into space by a catastrophic collision 4.5 billion years ago, two new studies suggest.
The new research potentially plugs a big hole in the giant impact theory, long the leading explanation for the moon's formation. Previous versions of the theory held that the moon formed primarily from pieces of a mysterious Mars-size body that slammed into a proto-Earth — but that presented a problem, because scientists know that the moon and Earth are made of the same stuff.
The two studies both explain how Earth and the moon came to be geochemical twins. However, they offer differing versions of the enormous smashup that apparently created Earth's natural satellite, giving scientists plenty to chew on going forward.
A fast-spinning Earth
One of the studies — by Matija Cuk of the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute in Mountain View, Calif., and Sarah Stewart of Harvard — suggests the answer lies in Earth's rotation rate. [How the Moon Formed (Video)]
If Earth's day had been just two to three hours long at the time of the impact, Cuk and Stewart calculate, the planet could well have thrown off enough material to form the moon (which is 1.2 percent as massive as Earth).
This rotational speed might sound incredible, and indeed it's close to the threshold beyond which the planet would begin to fly apart. But researchers say the early solar system was a "shooting gallery" marked by many large impacts, which could have spun planets up to enormous speeds.
Cuk and Stewart's study, which appears online today (Oct. 17) in the journal Science, also provides a mechanism by which Earth's rotation rate could have slowed over time.
After the collision, a gravitational interaction between Earth's orbit around the sun and the moon's orbit around Earth could have put the brakes on the planet's super-spin, eventually producing a 24-hour day, the scientists determined.
A bigger impactor
Cuk and Stewart's version of the cosmic smashup posits a roughly Mars-size impactor — a body with 5 percent to 10 percent the mass of Earth. However, the other new study — being published in the same issue of Science today — envisions a collision between two planets in the same weight class.
"In this impact, the impactor and the target each contain about 50 percent of the [present] Earth's mass," Robin Canup, of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo., told SPACE.com via email.
"This type of impact has not been advocated for the Earth-moon before (although a similar type of collision has been invoked for the origin of the Pluto-Charon pair)," Canup added, referring to the largest moon of Pluto.
In her computer models, the symmetry of this collision caused the resulting moon-forming debris disk to be nearly identical in composition to the mantle of the newly enlarged Earth.
Canup's models further predict that such an impact would significantly increase Earth's rotational speed. But that may not be a big issue, since Cuk and Stewart's work explains how Earth's spin could have slowed over time.
A third study, published today in the journal Nature, determined that huge amounts of water boiled away during the moon's birth. The finding, made by examining moon rocks brought back to Earth by Apollo astronauts, further bolsters the broad outlines of the giant impact theory.
Though the gigantic smashup occurred 4.5 billion years ago, scientists may one day be able to piece together in detail how it all went down, Canup said.
"Models of terrestrial planet assembly should be able to evaluate the relative probability of, e.g., the collision I advocate vs. the one proposed by Cuk and Stewart," she said.

Lefty Dave
19th October 2012, 00:53
I seem to remember NASA announcing that the moon rocks brought back to Earth were nearly a billion years older than earth...does anyone confirm that, or am I misinformed?

watchZEITGEISTnow
19th October 2012, 01:18
Why is it so hard to believe the Moon was bought here and placed into the Earths orbit as an observation post?

Just makes TOTAL sense to me, that is what happened.

:)

DeDukshyn
19th October 2012, 01:51
I seem to remember NASA announcing that the moon rocks brought back to Earth were nearly a billion years older than earth...does anyone confirm that, or am I misinformed?

Nope I clearly recall that too -- already established that the moon is not a natural satellite of the earth. The end.

Just look at real natural satellites - such as of Mars -- a planet very similar to earth and compare these satellites to our moon -- you'd think they'd be roughly the same, but the exact opposite; maybe compare Venus' moons too to get an idea what we might expect for a planet of Earth's size and distance from it's sun. Also consider that our moon is more or less a perfect sphere. Now compare that to all other celestial bodies in our solar system - none of them are actual spheres.

You start to see a trend ... the trend is that all evidence points to our moon being an anomaly. I read an article once written by a guy who researched the total mining of titanium on earth compared to the total usage. He claimed we use far more titanium on earth than we mine. By a multitude I think was the claim, and that the excess had to be coming from the moon as it is well known the moon has an unusually large proportion of titanium.

I never tried to confirm his research but I thought the article intriguing and if anyone could confirm the titanium usage vs mined, we may really have something to go on. As far as I'm concerned, one guy doing the calcs on his own isn't enough to make a case, but it may point in a direction that can be either confirmed or denied by the right research.

My 2 cents ;)

Sidney
19th October 2012, 02:04
I seem to remember NASA announcing that the moon rocks bro .
IMHO if it was an announcement NASA its surely either a lie or cover story.

DeDukshyn
19th October 2012, 02:18
Here's the comparison from Wikipedia on the differences in composition of Earth vs Moon ... it's wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt. They don't look all that similar to me.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Moon_vs_earth_composition.svg/600px-Moon_vs_earth_composition.svg.png

ghostrider
19th October 2012, 03:40
the moon is a spaceship used by Lyra/vega people who fled the wars and came to earth and mingled with the three earth races. they brought blonde hair , blue eyes to a planet with dark skin , dark hair , dark eyes. Look how advanced they were they made a planet/ship to travel in with everything they needed to re-establish their people. They came to be known as Atlantians eventually.

161803398
19th October 2012, 03:55
I am so impressed by the fact that the moon is exactly the right size and at exactly the right distance away to perfectly eclipse the sun that I can't believe anything Nasa says about it.

modwiz
19th October 2012, 04:25
LOL. I guess this info will help us figure out a few of the situational tsunamis facing the planet currently. I think the housing market is picking up as I read this.:p Israel and Iran are considering a non-aggression pact too. :rolleyes:

Good ol' science to the rescue.:twitch:

Wind
20th October 2012, 03:37
I think that Bob Dean any many others were right about the Moon. It is an artificial object, which affects us in a negative way.

mescalitto
20th October 2012, 20:08
This is a Great visual showing the area containing some of the rare metals like Titanium.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/9801/moon_gal.jpg
Do you recognize the Earth's Moon when you see it? The crazy, patchwork appearance of this false color image makes this nearly full view of our Moon's familiar nearside look very strange. The image was taken in 1992 by the Galileo spacecraft enroute to Jupiter. The Sea of Tranquillity (Mare Tranquillitatis) is the blue area at right, the Ocean of Storms (Oceanus Procellarum) is the extensive blue and orange area on the left, and white lines radiate from the crater Tycho at bottom center. Three filters were used to make three separate exposures, combined in an exaggerated color scheme to emphasize composition differences - blue hues reveal titanium rich areas while orange and purple colors show regions relatively poor in titanium and iron. NASA soon plans to conduct an extensive remote exploration of the lunar surface, including a search for water ice near the lunar South Pole, with the Lunar Prospector spacecraft.