U.S & Iran Broker Secret Deal.

[jagman]

Breaking News
Yesterday Dick Morris ( Former White House advisor) went on several Fox shows and he
said that the White House leaked to WND sources that a deal has already been reached
where Iran will stop enrichment activities and will allow inspectors in facilities If
sanctions are relaxed. He said the deal would be announced on November 4, Just in time
for elections. There is no link that I can find yet but I will keep trying. This could be the
October Suprise.
http://blackkettle.wordpress.com/

Scroll down after you click on the link it's the 9th story down

[GCS1103]

I heard the same thing. I also believe this October Surprise is nothing more than a clever bid to hold onto his Presidency. If Americans believe that this tactic is the beginning of peace, and not a political move to keep Obama in office, I think we'll all be in for another "Surprise" shortly thereafter.

[jagman]

Once again, I think your analysis is spot on Goldie. Those who attain power, Only fear losing power.

[Mark]

Overblown and overdramatized as usual. Obama is ego-less compared to Romney or even Dubya who preceded him and began the full-fledged implementation of many of the ills that Obama is currently blamed for continuing as if they were his idea.

It is probably the beginnings of the attempt for peace. Despite the hype Obama has not toed the Zionist line and has been held up to censure numerous times by them and the monied interests of the Banks and Wall Street as a whole not to mention the Oil companies, Monsanto and everyone else whom we like to consider being part of the Global Elite hegemonic power structure.

If a different group of backers is currently behind Obama - I've heard the Queen and the Vatican - and not the Bushes, the Nazi and US elite then this attempt to come to an agreement with Iran is indicative of a more measured approach by these older and more stable elite structures - the royalty and the Church - as opposed to the relatively "nouveau riche" powers that control the money-out-of-thin-air apparatus.

Instead of bringing on nigh-immediate social Armageddon and almost guaranteed racial strife with the new American brown majority by implementing the draconian austerity measures designed to keep them down and out while continuing to bolster the coffers of the elite they may be attempting to keep China and Russia from full mobilization which direct aggression against Iran would guarantee and which is not in anybody's best interest except for those who want to see massive death totals and a new American Revolution.

It seems there are different visions for how to bring about their End Game and both Romney and Obama represent these scenarios. New revelations about Republican obstructionism (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/04/1127711/-Who-killed-Washington-Republicans-caught-red-handed) abound. Obama's agenda never stood a chance. What he has stood for has never been given the chance to succeed. This is indicative of a right-based effort to, again, prevent the masses of the poor and culturally downtrodden from achieving any type of meaningful parity whether it be economic or social.

The Vatican's recent efforts to moderate Catholicism's relationship with Islam (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/us-pope-arabic-idUSBRE8990VM20121010) is notable.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is an article that puts an entirely different light on this New York Times report: The October Surprise (Michael Ledeen, PJ Media) (http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2012/10/20/the-october-surprise/):



The New York Times reports (and the White House denies) that “The United States and Iran have agreed for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.”

Two of the three assertions in that lead paragraph are demonstrably false. One-on-one negotiations have been going on for years (most recently, according to my friend “Reza Kahlili,” in Doha, where, he was told, Valerie Jarrett and other American officials recently traveled for the latest talks). The only news here is that the talks would no longer be secret. And the notion that only diplomacy can avert “a military strike on Iran” is fanciful. There are at least two other ways: sanctions may compel the regime to stop its nuclear weapons program, or the Iranian people may find a way to overthrow the regime, thereby (perhaps, at least) rendering military action unnecessary.

...
The Times’ journalists — Helene Cooper and Mark Lander — then treat us to an attempt to calculate the political significance of their story, but that is as foggy as the report itself. Maybe it would help Obama claim some sort of breakthrough. On the other hand, maybe it would leave him open to the charge that Iran is using him to stall for time. Who knows? They quote America’s favorite negotiator, Dennis Ross, who is of course all for the talks, and even has a negotiating strategy all ready. And they quote Nicholas Burns, who is also supportive.

This last is a bit curious, since Burns, who was Condoleezza Rice’s top negotiator with the Iranians, actually believed he had negotiated a “grand bargain” with the Iranians in 2006. The Iranians would suspend nuclear enrichment and we would lift sanctions. Except that the Iranians failed to show up for the signing ceremony at the United Nations, and Rice and Burns sat in New York waiting for the Iranian airplane to take off from Tehran. Apparently Mr.Burns didn’t learn the obvious lesson.

You can read more at the above link.

In other news, White House denies Iran nuclear talks (The Telegraph of the UK) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9624059/White-House-denies-Iran-nuclear-talks.html):



The Obama administration was forced to deny secret talks with Iran on Sunday after it was reported that an agreement had been reached to hold the first ever face-to-face nuclear talks with Tehran
There is further analysis at U.S.-Iran nuke talks: On or off? New York Times say yes, Obama administration says no (World Net Daily) (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/u-s-iran-nuke-talks-on-or-off/) and at Iran Is Ready to Talk About Their Nuclear Program (or Not?) (The Atlantic Wire) (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/10/iran-ready-talk-about-their-nuclear-program/58168/).

So ... it seems to me that two Obama supporting New York Times reporters are reporting claims of an understanding to have talks, quoting the current negotiator Dennis Ross, "who is of course all for the talks," and quoting a previous official, Nicholas Burns, who made claims of a “grand bargain” with the Iranians in 2006, that turned out not to exist.

Both the Iranians and the White House are denying any such understanding to have talks.

My conclusion: this is a BS New York Times report of no useful substance.

[ThePythonicCow]

Both the Iranians and the White House are denying any such understanding to have talks.

My conclusion: this is a BS New York Times report of no useful substance.
For what it's worth, Israel is also denying any knowledge of this: PICKET: Report - Israel says Obama admin 'had not informed' them of upcoming U.S. talks with Iran (The Washington Times) (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/20/picket-israel-says-obama-admin-had-not-informed-th/)

And I'd like to say "Thanks" to The Drudge Report (http://drudgereport.com/), for I realize now that I obtained most or all of the above links that I posted from Drudge.

[Harley]

Good stuff Paul :)

Check out today's timeline on this subject, as it was reported by Ynet News (http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3089,00.html):

(U.S.)

Report: US, Iran to negotiate Iran's nuclear program
Published: 10.20.12, 23:55

According to White House officials, the United States and Iran have agreed to hold a meeting regarding Iran's nuclear program, the New York Times reported.

One official said that the Iranians insisted that talks be held after the US presidential elections, so that they know with which president negotiations will be held. (Ynet)

(Iran)

Iran denies report of plans for nuclear talks with US
Published: 10.21.12, 13:21

Iran denied on Sunday a report in a U.S. newspaper that it had plans for direct talks with the United States over its disputed nuclear programme.

"We don't have any discussions or negotiations with America," Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said in a news conference on Sunday. "The (nuclear) talks are ongoing with the P5+1 group of nations. Other than that, we have no discussions with the United States." (Reuters)

(Israel)

FM backs US on reported nuke talks
Published: 10.21.12, 17:28

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Sunday that he is confident in the White House's response to reports on planned direct talks with Iran over its disputed nuclear program. Despite the New York Times' report, both the US and Iran said that there are no secret talks planned.

"I believe that the US knows who it's dealing with. They have over 10 years of experience with Iran. All Iranian proposals are intended to waste time and cheat." (Aviel Magnezi)

(Israel)

PM: Israel has no info on US-Iran direct talks
Published: 10.21.12, 18:50

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israel did not have any information regarding prospective direct talks between the US and Iran over its disputed nuclear program.

"Iran is using the possibility of future talks in order to stall and buy more time to develop its nuclear program."(Yoav Zitun)

Something smells a little stinky to me.

[ThePythonicCow]

Something smells a little stinky to me.
me too

[ThePythonicCow]

Breaking News
Yesterday Dick Morris ( Former White House advisor) went on several Fox shows and he
said that the White House leaked to WND sources that a deal has already been reached
where Iran will stop enrichment activities and will allow inspectors in facilities If
sanctions are relaxed. He said the deal would be announced on November 4, Just in time
for elections.
Ah - I hadn't noticed what you actually wrote until now, jagman, that it was Dick Morris saying this.

That adds another twist to this story, the significance of which escapes me so far.

hotair.com also has a story on this: Nobody owning up to US-Iran talks story (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/21/nobody-owning-up-to-us-iran-talks-story/), which documents the denials of Iran and the White House of this story, and speculates as to possible implications.

[Maunagarjana]

Iran has got to realize that they are much more likely to get attacked by the US if a Republican is in the White House. If Romney is elected, I'm sure that's high on his agenda to get started with. That's a good bargaining chip for Obama to play. It's like having a rabid attack dog that you can threaten to sick on people. And perhaps there's a bit of revenge motivation for the Democrats for when the Republicans brokered a secret deal with Iran back in 1980 not to release the hostages until Reagan had won the election.

[modwiz]

Valerie Jarrett would make an interesting representative for such talks. From wikipedia:


Jarrett was born in Shiraz, Iran to American parents James E. Bowman and Barbara Taylor Bowman
As a child she spoke Persian and French.

She has probably refreshed her abilities in Farsi. Not having a translator in the middle of things can only provide better clarity.

[ghostrider]

I'll take it a step further, I bet Iran was allowed to keep control of their currency and keep it out of the global monetary scam, in return for appearing to allow inspectors in and halting the so-called quest for a nuclear weapon. The leader of Iran strikes me as a good muslim that cares more for the ways of Allah than the ways of the corrupt government blackmail warmongers.

[Rocky_Shorz]

being announced the Day before Romney Shuts an American Factory and destroys a small town to ship the Jobs off to China...

nothing to worry about though Republicans, Romney owns the company who runs the electronic voting machines...


so what if he and his son are implicated in an $8 Billion dollar Ponzi scheme...

So what if he laundered hundreds of Billions of Drug money for Bush...

So what if he is bringing in Bush's staff to make sure nothing changes...

nope, it'll come down to these final two stories hitting the days before election...

wow exciting times we live in...


To War or not to war, that is the question...

[Praxis]

Here is an article that puts an entirely different light on this New York Times report: The October Surprise (Michael Ledeen, PJ Media) (http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2012/10/20/the-october-surprise/):
...
In other news, White House denies Iran nuclear talks (The Telegraph of the UK) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9624059/White-House-denies-Iran-nuclear-talks.html):



The Obama administration was forced to deny secret talks with Iran on Sunday after it was reported that an agreement had been reached to hold the first ever face-to-face nuclear talks with Tehran
There is further analysis at U.S.-Iran nuke talks: On or off? New York Times say yes, Obama administration says no (World Net Daily) (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/u-s-iran-nuke-talks-on-or-off/) and at Iran Is Ready to Talk About Their Nuclear Program (or Not?) (The Atlantic Wire) (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/10/iran-ready-talk-about-their-nuclear-program/58168/).

So ... it seems to me that two Obama supporting New York Times reporters are reporting claims of an understanding to have talks, quoting the current negotiator Dennis Ross, "who is of course all for the talks," and quoting a previous official, Nicholas Burns, who made claims of a “grand bargain” with the Iranians in 2006, that turned out not to exist.

Both the Iranians and the White House are denying any such understanding to have talks.

My conclusion: this is a BS New York Times report of no useful substance.


Disregard the first article, Look who wrote it, and then look into who he is. You should not put any stock into his words because he is not a nice person. I agree it is BS and useless NEOCON propaganda.

Furthermore, this is a joke. Talking is good. Talking is diplomacy. Obama should be seeking to talk. That fact that the media is lambasting him for maybe having had talked is beyond stupid. This planet is sad. The people who still buy this circus are sad.

[Mark]

The Vatican's recent efforts to moderate Catholicism's relationship with Islam (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/us-pope-arabic-idUSBRE8990VM20121010) is notable.

In addition to the Vatican, here is evidence that Great Britain as well (http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/330-131/14193-britain-rejects-us-request-to-use-uk-bases-in-nuclear-standoff-with-iran) is taking a different tact with Iran. An excerpt:


Britain has rebuffed US pleas to use military bases in the UK to support the build-up of forces in the Gulf, citing secret legal advice which states that any pre-emptive strike on Iran could be in breach of international law.

The Guardian has been told that US diplomats have also lobbied for the use of British bases in Cyprus, and for permission to fly from US bases on Ascension Island in the Atlantic and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, both of which are British territories.

The US approaches are part of contingency planning over the nuclear standoff with Tehran, but British ministers have so far reacted coolly. They have pointed US officials to legal advice drafted by the attorney general's office which has been circulated to Downing Street, the Foreign Office and the Ministry of Defence.

This makes clear that Iran, which has consistently denied it has plans to develop a nuclear weapon, does not currently represent "a clear and present threat". Providing assistance to forces that could be involved in a pre-emptive strike would be a clear breach of international law, it states.

[Rocky_Shorz]

(Reuters) Oct 30th- Iran has drawn back from its ambitions to build a nuclear weapon, Israel's defense minister was quoted as saying on Tuesday... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/us-iran-israel-idUSBRE89T1GT20121030)

whispers could be confirming there was a deal...