The Secret Of The Soul - and OBE

[soleil]

i came across something awesomely easy to understand to share here (from robert bruce site (link down below).........



Here's My PROVEN 3-Step Strategy For Triggering Astral Projections On Demand... And It Will Work FOR YOU, Even If You've Tried Other Techniques And Failed In The Past

Imagine what it'd be like if you could easily go out of body whenever you felt like it. What if you could sit down, close your eyes and slip into the astral plane anytime you want? For the record, this is ENTIRELY possible, and it only takes 3 steps:
1) Physical Relaxation And Trance
For the astral body to exit the physical body, the physical body *must* be completely relaxed. It's needs to basically be in "sleep" mode, like a computer. This is called "trance".
Similar to a car, you need to park your body, before you can safely open the door and get out. Relaxation and trance unlocks your physical body.
Astral Dynamics

2) Deep Energy Work
Here's the secret step that almost all mystics miss. If the activity and health of your energy body is crucial to success with astral projection, then it's vital for you to "warm up" the energy body before attempting your exit technique.
Even just a few moments of concentrated energy work will prime the pump, so to speak, and boost your ability to project. Energy work unlocks your energy body.

3) Effective Exit Technique
Once your physical body is in trance, and you're energy body is warmed up, then it's time to shift into drive. That is to say, it's now time to perform an effective exit technique. And if you've taken care to complete the first 2 steps, then this third one is SURE to work.

Think about it this way. If you've turned off your car, and opened the door, now all you have to do is step out and walk away. Exit techniques unlock your astral body.
Astral projection really is this straightforward. And guess what? You literally can start learning this simple, intuitive 3-step system in detail, within minutes from now...


- See more at: http://www.astraldynamics.com/astralprojectionmastery/#sthash.yjRsmrw2.dpuf

i just copied and pasted what i thought was the "goods" - as all info came from here..... http://www.astraldynamics.com/astralprojectionmastery/


and i'm officially (as of next week) gonna be on full throttle attempt mode...

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Sirdipswitch,

Freaking them out would be lots of fun. :fear:

Bet you could freak them out even more by taking videos :director: of their visits and posting the videos here :pop2:.

Ron :playball:

[Carmody]

I have never been afraid of not finding my body should I ever succeed going out-of-body, nor do I worry about it. I do always wonder when I hear someone say (as Jake just did) "you will always find your way back to your body":

If there would be people who did not get back to their bodies after an OBE, they wouldn't be able to tell us about it, would they?

ccccccccccccccccc. Deneon, my friend, you can't lose it, you are connected to it Spiritually. ccc. And you cannot be harmed. You are an Immortal Spirit, of the Highest order. The only thing "above" you, is your High Self/Source. I write it that way, (HS/Source) because your HS, "IS" Source. When we go into the Astral Realms, everything is below us, even the Angels. AND... nothing in the Astral, will tell you this. It's one of the "Rules". It is entirely up to us, to figure out "who, and what, we really are". HS won't even tell you.

Nothing is offered, but everything is given. hmm. ccc.:wizard:

Your mind and 'spirit', in this space, and body, in this place, have gown into shape, together, like a 4d unique dimensional key. Each has an 'address', if you will. some commonalities remain, brain stem patterns of the avatar and whatnot, which is why it is possible for some to inhabit/overlay the body of another, and read their emotions and body, but not their high level thoughts (generally speaking).

[Rollo]

This videos are about simple technique how to astral project that I found recently.

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All the best,
Rollo

[sirdipswitch]

OK folks, back to basics. I came here with "A" method of astral projection, that works. It works for me, and thousands of others like me, without all the mumbo jumbo, guru BS, of getting your Energy bodies in order, and without conjuring up unknown Critters to deal with when you do jump out and just a good clean jump, straight to High Self. That's it. Period. Oh wait, yes I have since, introduced the Michael Raduga method, and for the very same reasons as the Buhlman method, which is it is also a very simple straight forward methodology, that anyone "should" be able to do.

I just finished watching this new set of vids posted, and quite frankly find it to be quite scarry, insofar as all of the "Critters" he is encountering. Not something I would care to have to deal with, and certainly not something that I would want "YOU" to have to deal with. HS/Source... is the only thing I wish for you to find, when you go Astral. And I know this is possible, for I have now, 18 people that are doing just that, right here at home. However, none of them were fans of alternative media, religion, meditation, or any thing else of that nature. They just took William Buhlman at his word, and did what he said... and went out of body and straight to their High Self, and have been 24/7's Communion with IT, since. And not one of them... asked me any questions about how to do it... before actually doing it. It hasn't taken "Any" of them longer than 3 months to figure it out. They have only come to me after the fact of going OOB, and then just to thank me for telling them about the books, and to share their experiences with me. They ask me nothing. They have only one Teacher. Their High Self. They don't need me. One of them is 46, and the rest are in their 60's and 70's. cccc.


William Buhlman, tells everything you need to know, (in those two (2) books) to go OOB and to your High Self/Source. -EVERYTHING-

If you're not doing it after reading those two books, then you're NOT understanding that which you do read. Simple.

Turn off YOUR COMPUTER... and go back to basics. Your computer and all of those spouting their particular brand of wisdom, will do nothing but "Confuse you", and keep you searching for something that will work for you, and keep you from going Astral. Simple.

None of those little ol ladies in their 70's, even have a computer. cccccccccc.

[Rollo]

This is only a different technique, which can work for someone who struggle with one that he/she is trying right now.

[sirdipswitch]

Hey Rollo!! Thanks for tryin. However, I must address this as another artificial method to obtain Astral Projection, which if you have been following this thread, know that I do not condone any form of artificial. Plus, the use of fire, be it candle or bon-fire, can and may call forth forces/entities, of a nature, that the novice is ill prepared to deal with, just as this guy in the vid, so laughingly states.

Natural is the only safe way to achieve Astral Projection, without running into something mischieviously troubling to you when you do get out. Such as something that would "scare" you back to your body, and keep you from exploring further, and possibly going to your High Self. As I keep stating, the Astral Realms, are even more controled than the physical, and "They" will do everything they can to keep us from exploring that Realm. Going Natural, has less chance of calling "Them" to us.

Go natural. Only way to go. As in back to basics. :wizard:

[Jake]

i came across something awesomely easy to understand to share here (from robert bruce site (link down below).........



Here's My PROVEN 3-Step Strategy For Triggering Astral Projections On Demand... And It Will Work FOR YOU, Even If You've Tried Other Techniques And Failed In The Past

Imagine what it'd be like if you could easily go out of body whenever you felt like it. What if you could sit down, close your eyes and slip into the astral plane anytime you want? For the record, this is ENTIRELY possible, and it only takes 3 steps:
1) Physical Relaxation And Trance
For the astral body to exit the physical body, the physical body *must* be completely relaxed. It's needs to basically be in "sleep" mode, like a computer. This is called "trance".
Similar to a car, you need to park your body, before you can safely open the door and get out. Relaxation and trance unlocks your physical body.
Astral Dynamics

2) Deep Energy Work
Here's the secret step that almost all mystics miss. If the activity and health of your energy body is crucial to success with astral projection, then it's vital for you to "warm up" the energy body before attempting your exit technique.
Even just a few moments of concentrated energy work will prime the pump, so to speak, and boost your ability to project. Energy work unlocks your energy body.

3) Effective Exit Technique
Once your physical body is in trance, and you're energy body is warmed up, then it's time to shift into drive. That is to say, it's now time to perform an effective exit technique. And if you've taken care to complete the first 2 steps, then this third one is SURE to work.

Think about it this way. If you've turned off your car, and opened the door, now all you have to do is step out and walk away. Exit techniques unlock your astral body.
Astral projection really is this straightforward. And guess what? You literally can start learning this simple, intuitive 3-step system in detail, within minutes from now...


- See more at: http://www.astraldynamics.com/astralprojectionmastery/#sthash.yjRsmrw2.dpuf

i just copied and pasted what i thought was the "goods" - as all info came from here..... http://www.astraldynamics.com/astralprojectionmastery/


and i'm officially (as of next week) gonna be on full throttle attempt mode...

Thanks, T!!! As of Tonight, I am full throttle mode, again too. Meditating/clearing/energy work/deep relaxation/(deeper energy work)/Fully conscious exit. I've only achieved success, from start to finish, a handful of times. It is time to tackle this beast. :p I am tired of sitting and waiting for the next excursion. I have been soooooooo spoiled by a natural ability to project, I have stopped trying.

Thank you for the words of inspiration.

Sirdipswtch,,, Keep up the good work, my friend. :thumb:

[soleil]

hey all, i was not sure which thread to share this in, so this one wins. :)

i came across this picture, which can help those who are starting to get their astral vision on...it looks similar to what i saw (twice) so far.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/1897201192_3e83b55820_o.gif

[edit]
i was just reading another forum, and i found some helpful nuggets/posts (helpful, at least for me...)
so! i cant help but share them here. i hope they are useful to others as well.:):popcorn::faint2::biggrin1::madgrin::hippie:



"Any exit technique will do, once you're in the right state, provided you know how to use it.
The rope method is a method that works better if you've climbed up a rope, and can remember how it feels to do it. Then you just imagine you're going up a rope (and I don't mean you 'see yourself going up it') and 'feel' as if you were. You're not moving any body part, but you are moving your energy body up the rope to remind you how it feels to ge going up the rope.

The rollout method works well if you roll with your physical body a few times before you practice (side to side) so you can recreate the motion. Once again, it's about localizing yourself out of body, and if you do the movement you should feel yourself floating up (or being thrown off) your body- then you take it from there.

If you don't know what to do once you're out, imagine you're in the bottom of a pool and are floating up- almost can't help floating up. Once you feel you're far enough from your body then fly superman-style."

[Finefeather]

i came across this picture, which can help those who are starting to get their astral vision on...it looks similar to what i saw (twice) so far.

Quite a good picture and similarity...it must have been night time. This is the etheric world not the astral world. As you leave your body and are still in that first moment out, this is what you see.
You can always tell if this is the etheric because the scenery does not change...as soon as you enter the astral or emotional world the same picture of your, lets say bedroom, can take on all different shapes, colours and scenes according to your thoughts. This is the safest world to snoop around in. Everything is what it is.
Also it is to note that the scenery changes, in the etheric, into light and dark, the same as night and day.
Take care
Ray

[sirdipswitch]

Just did this on another tread, and y'all just might be intereasted.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62315-ET-Ultraterrestial-Ships-of-Light-are-on-Standby&p=715416&viewfull=1#post715416


Yep!!! Certainly I go talk to some. I just grab hold of my dog and "jump" to their ship, for a chat. ccc. They love my dog. cc (Boston Terrier, named Sydney) cc. and Sydney loves them too, but then she just likes the attention. I take her with me jumpin all the time and she loves it. I talked with her from the Spirit side, to explain to her what is goin on, and she understands, and now doesn't want to stay home, when I do go somewhere. She now likes jumpin, better than a ride in the car. ccc.

[Orph]

Just did this on another tread, and y'all just might be intereasted.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62315-ET-Ultraterrestial-Ships-of-Light-are-on-Standby&p=715416&viewfull=1#post715416


In that thread, you mentioned this game is still controlled by "Source", (who else could control it?), and will be played to it's end. Well, I'm having great difficulty playing this game. Ugh!!
But, on a lighter note, ............ The other night I had a dream in which I became aware I was dreaming. So, the first thing I do when I become aware I'm dreaming is to, ..... WHOO-HOO! I'm going flying!! Up, up and away. Immediately I thought, "Is there any tie-in to flying in my dreams and obe's"? So, the following is a conversation I had with myself as I'm flying around in my dreams ..............

"Keep flying. Keep flying. Now very gently, wake up but keep the dream going. C'mon. You can do it. Keep flying. Just wake up to your normal consciousness. Keep flying. You can do it. Don't give up. " ................

But, alas, nothing came of it. I mean, it was fun and all, just didn't get the results I was hoping for. Man, I'm having a devil-of-a-time trying to have an obe.

[Rollo]

Few nights ago I was dreaming that I'm sleeping in my dream and when I was conscious about it I got out of my body. It was really easy, almost too easy. Funny thing as I'm trying to have real OBE here and I got one in a dream:).

[MariaDine]

LOL...Have you ever «waken up » with your on snoring ? I find it hilarious...

[Orph]

Few nights ago I was dreaming that I'm sleeping in my dream and when I was conscious about it I got out of my body. It was really easy, almost too easy. Funny thing as I'm trying to have real OBE here and I got one in a dream:).Did the same thing myself a couple of months ago. Had a dream within a dream, just like you. Felt my astral body become like waves. Then my legs and feet lifted up in the air and I felt a very definite grip on my ankles. It felt like someones was pulling, very firmly I might add, on my ankles trying to get me out. And then, poof, I was out. Funny thing was, I ended up on the floor at the foot of my bed. I thought, ... "Well this is just swell. My first obe and I can't do any better than lie on the floor" :sarcastic: As I lay there looking up, I saw my body walk by on it's way to the bathroom. And that was it. Then I Woke up, or so I thought. It was my inner dreaming self that woke up from it's dream. Then, as I lay there in bed thinking about what I'd just experienced, I woke up again. :P Oh well. Close, but no cigar. :)

[Orph]

LOL...Have you ever «waken up » with your on snoring ? I find it hilarious...Yes. I snore loud, and have on several occasions woke myself up with my own snoring.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I've awakened from a dream, to another dream three levels deep in one dream a few years ago

Had dream paralysis occasionally.

About 20 years ago experienced the vibrational state in a dream. Had one lucid dream further back.

Not much progress since then that I can tell.

Old age may be slowing me down.

[shipo]

Hi all it's been a while and I've made some progress, few fails along the way but that's inevitable. I have a question regarding HS..This happened Friday night/morning and the following is what I wrote in 2 separate e-mails to a friend:

Andrew I went to my higher self last night/this morning, I went to bed early and read Adventures beyond the body for an hour or so ( already read it ) This time was totally different when I woke without the roaring noise, I just knew I was ready and sat up and separated easy as can be. I had trouble seeing and my speech was slurred and incoherent so I asked for clarity and all became perfect..I asked to go to my higher self but nothing happened, I decided to walk through the wall and get outside but I struck resistance so I actually tore it down with my bare hands. Once outside I asked again and this time I was off like a rocket. I had my eyes closed and when I felt movement stop I opened them, now here’s the big one..I saw a guy quite close and he said well you got here dickhead so I said well you took your ****ing time helping me and we both laughed..He walks over and mate it’s my next door neighbour from my last home Jarrod, I said what the hell I thought you’d look like me? He said he took that form as I’d recognize him easy?? First thing I asked was can I go OBE whenever I like, he said is once a day enough and what part of the day..I said at night so he agreed every night I will OBE.. interesting to see if this happens but plenty of time to work on those details..I’m blown away Bro..I had a 2nd OBE as soon as I was back in bed and checked out the local area.
Talk soon bro

Ok Well it didn't happen:

Man now I’m confused...Whatever Jarrod is I’m certain he’s not my Higher self, nothing happened last night so I was lied to..Thing I thought was susso, why would he looked like my neighbour I’ve not seen for like 10 years? I mean why not my best mate or myself..I did read somewhere not to trust every being in the Astral planes and it looks to be true, I’m not sure now how I differentiate between the genuine and the misguides??? Not an easy task for a beginner but I’m mulling over that what I saw perhaps represents something in my life and I need to solve the puzzle?? Damn they don’t make it easy Bro..

So my question is how am to recognize the real HS..Why and who is this being that lied to me and for what purpose?? It's taken great effort and struggle to finally believe I had met my HS and it turns out I've been hoodwinked?? Has anyone had a similar experience??

[Jake]

Hi all it's been a while and I've made some progress, few fails along the way but that's inevitable. I have a question regarding HS..This happened Friday night/morning and the following is what I wrote in 2 separate e-mails to a friend:

Andrew I went to my higher self last night/this morning, I went to bed early and read Adventures beyond the body for an hour or so ( already read it ) This time was totally different when I woke without the roaring noise, I just knew I was ready and sat up and separated easy as can be. I had trouble seeing and my speech was slurred and incoherent so I asked for clarity and all became perfect..I asked to go to my higher self but nothing happened, I decided to walk through the wall and get outside but I struck resistance so I actually tore it down with my bare hands. Once outside I asked again and this time I was off like a rocket. I had my eyes closed and when I felt movement stop I opened them, now here’s the big one..I saw a guy quite close and he said well you got here dickhead so I said well you took your ****ing time helping me and we both laughed..He walks over and mate it’s my next door neighbour from my last home Jarrod, I said what the hell I thought you’d look like me? He said he took that form as I’d recognize him easy?? First thing I asked was can I go OBE whenever I like, he said is once a day enough and what part of the day..I said at night so he agreed every night I will OBE.. interesting to see if this happens but plenty of time to work on those details..I’m blown away Bro..I had a 2nd OBE as soon as I was back in bed and checked out the local area.
Talk soon bro

Ok Well it didn't happen:

Man now I’m confused...Whatever Jarrod is I’m certain he’s not my Higher self, nothing happened last night so I was lied to..Thing I thought was susso, why would he looked like my neighbour I’ve not seen for like 10 years? I mean why not my best mate or myself..I did read somewhere not to trust every being in the Astral planes and it looks to be true, I’m not sure now how I differentiate between the genuine and the misguides??? Not an easy task for a beginner but I’m mulling over that what I saw perhaps represents something in my life and I need to solve the puzzle?? Damn they don’t make it easy Bro..

So my question is how am to recognize the real HS..Why and who is this being that lied to me and for what purpose?? It's taken great effort and struggle to finally believe I had met my HS and it turns out I've been hoodwinked?? Has anyone had a similar experience??

HS will reach out to you in whatever way that it can. HS is trying to get you to notice it, just as much as you are trying to get 'it' to notice you. I have never had any luck demanding 'clarity' or 'vision',, while out of body.. Some of these experiences have a mind of their own., no?? Once, while in the middle of a fully conscious OBE, an ET appeared to me in a green dune buggy,, after pulling a bunch of brodies and trying to run me over... I am not sure what aspect of higher self was manifesting,,, But it came after me demanding (while out of body) for communion with higher self.!

You cannot discount the possibility that your thoughts/instincts are being influenced by 'outside' sources. (that is all I am going to say about that!)

PS,, everyone projects while sleeping. For HS to agree for projection, once a day, while you sleep,,, is obvious!! :) It is up to you!! (or you) whomever decides that you are YOU!!!

Nobody can lie to themselves, really,,, !!! (maybe for a time,,,)

Jake.

[shipo]

Thanks Jake I now realize that asking to OBE every night wasn't quite specific enough and I get the point..Asking for clarity works well for me every time, Friday was the first time I could barely speak or string words together, always works for vision problems and worked well for my difficulty with speech..different for everyone I guess so whatever works. Cheers and much appreciated mate:happy:

[sirdipswitch]

Y'all seem to be missin the point on a couple o issues. I've covered all ya need to know, on various posts, and is one of the reasons that I post so little, so that if need be, it ain't too much to go back and review.

Points to remember...

If you think you can... or can't... you're right!

Do not ask for something with a question, but a simple statement of fact. "Specifically!!!!!" (You will get "exactly" as you state, so be very, very, very, carefull of that which you do state.) Remember... you are shooting for Communion with Source, and a return of your power as Spirit. You are powerfull beyond imagination, and you will be tested and prepared to recieve it. It took more than a year, and many thousands of hours of "practice" for me to recieve it.

WHAT DOES "SPECIFIC"... mean? How many times have I said High Self/Source? I have never said Higher Self/Source. Why? I have said why. Did you listen? Really? Specifically? Did you really understand that which I wrote? Higher Self... may be just that! A higher version of yourself... but not HIGH SELF. High Self, means just that... the Highest.

Trust... Doubt... placing doubt, in your own mind????????

interesting to see if this happens happens??? does this sound like trust? or doubt? Plenty of time to work on those details??? What details? Just do the same thing that worked last night... "because"... you didn't tell HIGH SELF, what you would use for an OOB "Command".

Thinking on the fly, when you are out of body, is a tough one, ain't it?????? cccccc...

Precisely why I say to get your "Thinking" and "Intentions", in order, before going out of body. Precisely why I say turn off your computer, and listen to no-one but your own mind, when you are going for the gold... of Communion.

I GO NOW, TO MY HIGH SELF... "period"... this is a "specific" command. Trust it beyond all else... Know it implicitly!!!!!!! YOU ARE GOING TO YOUR HIGH SELF... YOUR SOURCE SELF.... You must believe it beyond all else. You MUST know where you are going... leave no room for doubt...

REMEMBER... the astral is "instantly thought responsive", and you will get that which you think about, precisely. So get your THINKING, in order beforehand.

NO, I do not explane things well, or completely. I only say what is neccessary to get your thinking headed in the right direction, and your HS will help with the rest, when you learn how to listen to it. Do you understand the volumes I have indicated between the lines? or even recognised that which I haven't said????

Also, I have been told to be carefull, for there are those that may just believe what I say... to which I say... Yep!!! ccc. :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

Yep!! I agree wholeheartedly!

Why do I post the way I do? I didn't come here to tell you what I know... but to help you understand what YOU know... but do not remember... I am just here to help those of understanding... remember who... and what... they really are.

I heard a man say: "We are Immortal, this body is not who we really are. We are Immortal Spirit Beings of the Highest Order."
I bought his two books, read them, turned off my computer and did not stop untill I had achieved my goal. I did it with no other help than those two books.

And here you are... some of you more than a year after you have read those same two books.. still asking how to do it??????

Seems obvious to me, that you need more, than this "forum" is providing. I say forum, because I see you asking the same questions, over and over, everywhere. ccc.

Here where I live, there are now 18 people doing what I do, that I told about those books, and without coming to me, to ask one single question, prior to achieving it. What did they do, that you are not? They listened only, to their own heart. Just as I did. period.

One single word, from another can determine your success, or not.

Words... are powerfull tools... whose, would you choose, to use?

Immortal!!!! was the only word I needed to achieve it. That one word... changed my life... forever. It will change yours, when you Know what it means.:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

More words...

MEN WANTED FOR HAZARDOUS JOURNEY. LOW WAGES, BITTER COLD, LONG HOURS OF COMPLETE DARKNESS. SAFE RETURN DOUBTFUL. HONOUR AND RECOGNITION IN EVENT OF SUCCESS.
Ernest Shackleton, Antarctic explorer (1874-1922)
(The advertisement above, placed in a London newspaper in 1912, inspired nearly 5,000 replies.)


I would have been on that boat.

This is the thinking we must reurn to, to "Fix", this world. THIS... is the change all those UFOs' are sitting around our world at this time, waiting for. This is the change that will happen, when we return to Spirit... in mass...
:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Jake]

Y'all seem to be missin the point on a couple o issues. I've covered all ya need to know, on various posts, and is one of the reasons that I post so little, so that if need be, it ain't too much to go back and review.

Points to remember...

If you think you can... or can't... you're right!

Do not ask for something with a question, but a simple statement of fact. "Specifically!!!!!" (You will get "exactly" as you state, so be very, very, very, carefull of that which you do state.) Remember... you are shooting for Communion with Source, and a return of your power as Spirit. You are powerfull beyond imagination, and you will be tested and prepared to recieve it. It took more than a year, and many thousands of hours of "practice" for me to recieve it.

WHAT DOES "SPECIFIC"... mean? How many times have I said High Self/Source? I have never said Higher Self/Source. Why? I have said why. Did you listen? Really? Specifically? Did you really understand that which I wrote? Higher Self... may be just that! A higher version of yourself... but not HIGH SELF. High Self, means just that... the Highest.

Trust... Doubt... placing doubt, in your own mind????????

interesting to see if this happens happens??? does this sound like trust? or doubt? Plenty of time to work on those details??? What details? Just do the same thing that worked last night... "because"... you didn't tell HIGH SELF, what you would use for an OOB "Command".

Thinking on the fly, when you are out of body, is a tough one, ain't it?????? cccccc...

Precisely why I say to get your "Thinking" and "Intentions", in order, before going out of body. Precisely why I say turn off your computer, and listen to no-one but your own mind, when you are going for the gold... of Communion.

I GO NOW, TO MY HIGH SELF... "period"... this is a "specific" command. Trust it beyond all else... Know it implicitly!!!!!!! YOU ARE GOING TO YOUR HIGH SELF... YOUR SOURCE SELF.... You must believe it beyond all else. You MUST know where you are going... leave no room for doubt...

REMEMBER... the astral is "instantly thought responsive", and you will get that which you think about, precisely. So get your THINKING, in order beforehand.

NO, I do not explane things well, or completely. I only say what is neccessary to get your thinking headed in the right direction, and your HS will help with the rest, when you learn how to listen to it. Do you understand the volumes I have indicated between the lines? or even recognised that which I haven't said????

Also, I have been told to be carefull, for there are those that may just believe what I say... to which I say... Yep!!! ccc. :wizard:

No offense brother, but this is NOT a one-size-fit-all undertaking. I promise you, no matter how clearly I demand 'clarity NOW!!' my astral vision does NOT improve. If I still myself, and focus intently,, my vision clears up. It has nothing to do with using words, it is the underlying motive/intent. It took me many years to realize why. I spoke with Buhlman about this very same thing. Listen, my definition of CLARITY, is different than yours, or maybe somebody elses. What do you do if you are flying and begin to 'sink', or maybe you can only fly at treetop level?? We can't just demand to 'be high'!! ccc :)

Different folks will have different mixed results when learning 'navigation' in the astral. Being without a body will take some getting used to. Even last night,, I was having trouble putting my hands through different 'solid' things, walls floors, etc... Sometimes, it would not work, and my hand will simply hit the wall. Ouch.. why is it 'solid' all of the sudden??? I certainly did not command that!!! (however through experimenting with the concept, I invited a different outcome, and it happened on another level.) There has been sooo much talk of HIGHER SELF in these discussions. Why am I demanding 'clarity now'?? Who am I talking to,,, I certainly am not talking to myself. I AM my Higher Self.... I have much better luck doing things on my own, and realizing things for myself than to go around in the astral and 'demand' things. Buhlman agreed. However, if it works,, then it works. Doesn't work for me... (not because I tell myself it doesn't,, I have wasted a lot of time demanding sight or clarity with no results..) No worries. Again, this is not a one size fits all experience. Communion with higher self is inevitable,, I do not waste too much time on it. I am not experiencing the most amazing experiences imaginable So that I can talk to myself. It is ALL being fed by an aspect of self. I AM MY HIGHER SELF!!!! I suspect that 'dreaming Jake' might think that 'waking Jake' is its higher self. I would advise dreaming Jake to live its life and quit worrying about it.

I appreciate you letting me rant a bit. Again, this is not a one-size-fits-all experience. We all come from different walks of life, with different aspirations and passions, with different disciplines and understandings. To suggest that someone is doing something wrong, is a bit off course. The higher self enigma will manifest no matter what we do. All of this talk about higher self may confuse folks to the point that they will not even try!!! And THAT is NOT what we are trying to do.

I apologize Sirdipswitch If my disagreeing with this one point seems obtuse. I do not mean to distract from your wisdom and strength. You have a tendency to describe things in powerful ways, and I admire your commitment to this topic. Please do not 'invite me to not post', just because my 'vision' of higher self is different, especially regarding navigation in the astral.

Love to all, Jake.

[sirdipswitch]

My dear Friend Jake!!!

I quite flatly refuse... to take offense cc... with "anything" you say ccc.

I love this post, (your post) and would really like to see you go back and re-read it a few times. cc.

You my friend have provided excellent example, of that which I have been talking about. ccc.

AND...ccc. I'll just leave it there for a bit, to see who understands... ccc.

Love ya man, please keep on with your great works. You are one of the true assets to this thread, and I really do appreciate all that you contribute to it.:wizard:

[Youniverse]

Hello sirdipswitch! Been a while since I've joined this thread. Looks like it's kinda raw right now, lol! Just a question for you. When we're talking about OBEs, aren't we talking strictly as high as the astral level? And if we're talking about the astral level, isn't that where we just start to make contact with high self? So if we're confined to the astral plane and can't get any higher, we are fooling ourselves to think we're contacting all our high self, aren't we? Of course, the astral body wraps around the causal body, so the causal body is ever closer to source and where we would have access to much more of high self. The reason I ask is because I went to a reputable psychic recently and she said those that have the ultimate goal of ascension and union with the divine are basically wasting time with OBE. Any comments?

[Jake]

You are a gem, my friend...

http://positivework.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2008-03-30-enlightenment-e1273339855328.gif

[Maunagarjana]

Hey guys, saw this article and thought of this thread. Has anyone ever used a technique like this with success?

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/visualized-heartbeat-can-trigger-out-of-body-experience.html


PS Just popping into this thread. Still haven't read the whole thing. I'm still reading Adventures Beyond The Body by Buhlman as suggested by sirdipswitch.

[Orph]

Words... are powerfull tools...

Immortal!!!! was the only word I needed to achieve it. That one word... changed my life... forever. Well, there ya' go. You've said all along to be very specific in what you say and ask for. Who would think that one measly little letter of the alphabet could change my entire life. ..... All this time I've been telling myself I'm an immoral soul. :sarcastic: (Heh heh heh heh. Gotta have a little fun along the way).

[shipo]

Thanks Sirdip and Jake for your wonderful advice, I must point out I'm quite the naive newbie at this and only 4 months in with much to learn. I didn't realize just how specific one must be when requesting something and also I was quite backward in coming forward at the time..I always have a stock plan when I'm OOB which is to go to my HS, yes I had doubts and I don't deny it and I know this must be attended to. Jake I have the same problem with walls etc, I've been hopelessly trapped in my room which was frustrating although I've walked through the wall a few times with no trouble..Busting it down seems to work ok:cool: Like you I find nothing is written in stone when it comes to control, what worked once is never guaranteed to work next time..Well in my case anyway.Sirdip I know it must be frustrating for you to repeat over and over your sage advice to us beginners but please know that it's of great assistance to me and others on our early explorations.
Much appreciated
Cheers shipo:)

[MacStar]

Well this certainly is an enlightening and very entertaining thread :cool:

Shipo,I'm really glad you have chosen this path my friend and sirdipswitch is certainly giving you the mechanics of how this ALL runs and I'm sure sirdipswitch knows what I mean ;)

I'm also sure sirdipswitch knows that I can see between the lines of that which he has generously put forth, though OBE/OOB in the "classical" form discussed here is not where I have learned what I know as the Truth so far.


The more you fill your mind with, the tighter you will remain in your body. It's that simple. This ain't rocket science.

^^^^^This is KEY^^^^^

Remember our talks on the contacts I have made via different means?

The recent links to Jun Fan Lee and his (unfinished) Philosophy?

Without truly understanding what this simple phrase entails, your "efforts" will be exactly that...effort.

sirdipswitch mate, what a great sense of humour you have just like my friend Shipo.

I thank you and many other contributors here for helping and sharing as I will at some stage, though my input here may be a little off center to the thread yet the exact same dynamics,specifics and warnings are all the same.

Calling yourself "Naive" and the like are part of the long lineage of bad programming that needs to be addressed mate...I know you very well and this thinking must stop.

You are....is all there is to it bro.

Love this thread ;)

[MacStar]

Please allow me to share....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_D3Dpusj58

Just a bump and a reminder of the "obstacles" we tend to create after many so called "Failures" LOL ;)

[sirdipswitch]

Great post by Paula, for thos ewho may have missed it...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62416-To-The-Creators-That-are-ON-THIS-FORUM&p=716629&viewfull=1#post716629

[sirdipswitch]

MacStar... great post... and excellent point to consider. My "Aim" from the very beginning of this life has been to "KNOW" Source. I have had nothing but failure, no matter what religion or disipline I chose to explore, untill I returned to my true Spirit Self, less than two years ago. It has been a hilariously fun journey. ccc.

[sirdipswitch]

You are a gem, my friend...

http://positivework.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2008-03-30-enlightenment-e1273339855328.gif



OK Jake... now ya done it man. This one calls for special attention... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! LOVE IT!!

ego? does iy seem as though I may still have a little ego left? ccccc. Nope... don't have any "left". Still have what I've always had. ccc. The largest on the planet. ccc. My EGO is so big it's in outter space. cccccccccccc. It is my extremely large EGO and "Desire" to be the greatest on the planet, that has kept my dream of KNOWING, SOURCE, alive and well and at the forefront of everything I have ever endevered to do.

When the buddas finally determine that they have been lied to, just as much as the Christians, they will discover that we actually do need a healthy EGO, or they will just sit in one spot being humble, thinking they have achieved enlightenment. cccc. Do you think Source just sits around being humble? We ain't budda... we ain't christ.. WE are SOURCE. And it takes EGO, or you won't do that which is neccessary to get there.

I'm still crackin up over your post... love it!!

Thanx... made my day!:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[soleil]

i love that little cartoon, i should put it on my fridge

[sirdipswitch]

Hello sirdipswitch! Been a while since I've joined this thread. Looks like it's kinda raw right now, lol! Just a question for you. When we're talking about OBEs, aren't we talking strictly as high as the astral level? And if we're talking about the astral level, isn't that where we just start to make contact with high self? So if we're confined to the astral plane and can't get any higher, we are fooling ourselves to think we're contacting all our high self, aren't we? Of course, the astral body wraps around the causal body, so the causal body is ever closer to source and where we would have access to much more of high self. The reason I ask is because I went to a reputable psychic recently and she said those that have the ultimate goal of ascension and union with the divine are basically wasting time with OBE. Any comments

Yes but... it usually takes obe to explore the HS/Source level and convince ones self to believe that it and IT does exist in the mannor that it, and IT does. It took me over a year to figure out that I could step out in my True Spirit form, and leave my Astral and Pysical body at home. And now I have learned how to take my Whole Self... Spirit, Astral, Physical, to any place I wish, in an instant, no matter the distance, on this rock, or the entire Universe. cc. And I can jump with anything that ain't bolted down. ccc. But if I really wanted to put forth the effort, I could rip whatever from its' foundation, and take it anyway. ccc. WE... are unlimited in our Power. "MOST"... just don't believe it,,, yet.

And as your psychic friend indicates,,, "most" just don't believe it,,, yet.

[sirdipswitch]

When you first get goin with this thing called OBE, you will find, as some do mention, that sometimes you will see your "Silver Cord" attatched to your body, and sometimes you won't. Took me a year to figure that one out, and then George was laughin sayin how long it took. He don't tell me how to do nothin and then just confirms that which I do figure out.

Our Spirit, Astral, and Physical, are three seperate beings,,, as one. Oh ya and your Soul is in there too, but it don't seperate from your physical until you croak. cc. It hangs around to animate your physical body while yer astral and spirit are off somewhere.

Ok now,,, with all that being said, lets get back to basics. ALL of you amaze me with your "advanced intelligence in these matters. But... what I see you doing, by that which you post, is taking that intelligence to bed with you when trying to get OB. ccccccccccccccccccccccccccc. WHADDHESAY??? cc. Member what I keep sayin?? Dump it,,, everything you think you know, and go as a small child knowing nothing. You are overcomplicating this thing with all of your wisdom, and have far too much knowlege floating through your brain when trying to get out. Just accept it and step out... it is real... and you CAN do it... it is who you really are... this body is not you. This knowledge that you have filled your head with, is just other peoples beliefs. YOU have your vey own and CAN do as YOU wish.

Just lay down, sit down, recline,whatever, and keep repeating the very same out of body affirmation over and over and over and overandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandover,,, let nothing else float through when you are doing it,,, it is just you and your affirmation, untill your HS starts screamin... SHUT UP. cccc

simple

raw??? nah... this ain't raw... me and George are sittin here giggglin in our britches. ccccccccccccccc:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Just posted this on ghostriders thread, "My-OBE-Last-Night-,, and thought y'all might be inerested.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62371-My-OBE-Last-Night&p=717374&viewfull=1#post717374

Enjoy!!! :wizard:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Really had to think on that one... I went screamin straight to George. He started crackin up, and then disapeared, and wouldnt talk with me for more than a week, until after I found out what they were talkin about, and went to Him for verification.

Well, I must say that the response George gave you, Sirdipswitch, is a little disappointing. The reason for my disappointment is that whenever I can establish a two way conscious communication with HS, I want HS to be a source of trusted, freely given information that would give me answers helpful to navigating all the BS, lies and programming fed to us every day. As we all know it is a quagmire out here.

Looking back at my favorite and most effective teachers, I do not remember any of them rolling on the floor :rofl: and laughing his/her :censored: off. Or ignoring me for a week.

I do expect that OBE is an efficient way to extablish that conscious connection that I want so much. Until then, the only navigation tools I have are my gut feelings, intuition, rational mind and maybe dream time.

Maybe my contact with HS will be different, more productive and more to my liking.

[sirdipswitch]

Really had to think on that one... I went screamin straight to George. He started crackin up, and then disapeared, and wouldnt talk with me for more than a week, until after I found out what they were talkin about, and went to Him for verification.

Well, I must say that the response George gave you, Sirdipswitch, is a little disappointing. The reason for my disappointment is that whenever I can establish a two way conscious communication with HS, I want HS to be a source of trusted, freely given information that would give me answers helpful to navigating all the BS, lies and programming fed to us every day. As we all know it is a quagmire out here.

Looking back at my favorite and most effective teachers, I do not remember any of them rolling on the floor :rofl: and laughing his/her :censored: off. Or ignoring me for a week.

Whenever a conscious connection with HS first happens, I hope my experience will be more productive and more to my liking.

I do expect that OBE is an efficient way to extablish that conscious connection that I want so much. Until then, the only navigation tools I have are my gut feelings, intuition and rational mind.

Maybe my first contact will be different.

Who said this was my first contact with George? This happened after many thousands of hours with Him. He did to me, exactly as "I" had done to that ship. hmm. Plus, by leaving He was telling me, that there was something that I needed to learn, before asking Him again. Remember, how many times I have said that He offers nothing, but gives everything that I ask - "Properly". Member how many times I say that we must be careful to "ASK" properly, if you wish to be given something. After learning what that something was, He answered "all" of my questions.

George is me and I am He, and we are one, and we have a rather large sense of "Humor", and we do have fun with each other. Source invented Humor. What makes you think yours, does not have a sense of Humor. From the dificulty you are having with this thing, I can well imagine yours is havin a ball with you. You tend to keep putting things into this that just isn't there. When you get there and find out what your HS is really like, you're gonna be quite amazed that He is just like you.

Speaking of Teachers, I did haveTeachers like that. They would force me to stop and think for myself, by using my own imagination and understanding to figure stuff out. As a result of that poccess, I learned those leasons quite well, and recieved "A"s for my effort. But then I really did enjoy Autoshop and P.E.. ccccccccc.

And yes, over the next few days, I did figure out what they meant by their "Majesty" statement, and George did confirm my findings. All of that took place after more than a year, of being with George daily. It has now been more than a year since that "First" visit to that ship. After learning what they meant, I have been there everyday since. It is that other world that I live on, (in) which I have also mentioned previously. "Just in case you've forgotten."

Remember also "Frustration"... will keep you locked in your body. hmm. cc.

Lighten up my friend, and enjoy this journey, for all is well and happens for good reason, even though we may not understand those reasons at the time. Trust me, one day you WILL just plop out of body like it's the natural thing to do and say, gee, that was easy!! ccc.

Every day... starts "BrandNew"!!! ENJOY!!! :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

AGAIN... Back to basics... this is the one that changed my life forever.

When you can read between the lines and understand...

it will change yours...



:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

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[soleil]

hey sirdip, the other day i was keeping a silent mind while driving...its a long drive...anyways i finally had an "ah ha" moment in understanding the statement of 'access your inner child' or 'be as a child' i really forget the way its applied, but i now understand the meaning a bit more. in a comforting sense, as i am working to remove my blocks. i have em. as i notice now that i'm giving it a go each day/night.

[sirdipswitch]

Cool Sway!! But... when I say go as a small child knowing nothing, I ain't talkin about contacting your inner child. cc.

What I'm talkin about is dumping the stuff you think, is knowledge. Who actually knows anything? If you think of all the books ever written, do you "Know" which ones are correct? It's all just someones speculation. You're not goin to your HS to tell IT what you know, because IT knows everything you know. Yer goin to learn. AND yer gonna have to dump a bunch anyway, to make room for all the knowledge that you will recieve fron your buddy HS.

Go brite-eyed-and-bushy-tailed, ready and eager to learn... your truth!!

And above all else... ENJOY!!!! cc.

[sirdipswitch]

I thought, and did not do. I heard, and did not obey. I ignored and did my own thing. It was 14 years before George started talkin to me again. It was the loneliest 14 years of my life........

[Teej]

We all astral travel every night in our dreams. The spirit body separates from the physical body and essentially "flies" to other dimensions. A lucid dream for me has been one of an experience in the higher dimensions, where the senses of the spirit body are in full operation. The spirit body has more senses than the physical body; however the more damaged your spirit body is, the less likely these extrasensory preceptors are deployed. Astral travel to the lower dimensions is often very dark, or dimly lit and trouble seeing all aspects of the landscape are evident. The more damaged a Soul is, the more they frequent the lower dimensions in Sleep State. The reason being, there are negative emotions they refuse to release and these are the worlds they are creating for themselves while doing so.
Other dreams that are jumbled, full of emotion and just are not logical are only Soul dreams and are your Soul telling you which negative emotions need releasing.
We really don't need to "TRY" to astral travel because as Souls, we all do it, some do it quite frequently during the day, eg. daydreaming while driving - you don't know where the time went
Those with spirit attachments (schizophrenia) do it minute by minute.
The REAL task at hand, is to develop in Love to such a high degree where we can connect to Divine Love, be at one with it, transform our DNA, and dimensionally travel (TELEPORT) with our very own bodies. This Gift is definitely available to us, for those truly seeking Truth. God's Truth.:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

[Orph]

I thought, and did not do. I heard, and did not obey. I ignored and did my own thing. It was 14 years before George started talkin to me again. It was the loneliest 14 years of my life........That's not so bad. 'Aint nobody talked to me yet, and I've been waiting 58 years. But I've always been a loner. So, since my H/S is me, and I am he, that means he's a loner too. Which means there's a whole lotta quiet goin' on. Lifetimes of quiet. I'll cover your lonely and raise you an empty. It 'aint easy.

[soleil]

Cool Sway!! But... when I say go as a small child knowing nothing, I ain't talkin about contacting your inner child. cc.
no no no, i mean yes yes yes, i was always in agreement. i never thought the opposite (inner child), i cant explain how i get it deeper. i just do. i completely get the "knowin nothing" bit now. it took me having a growin toddler and a long drive....


What I'm talkin about is dumping the stuff you think, is knowledge. Who actually knows anything? If you think of all the books ever written, do you "Know" which ones are correct? It's all just someones speculation. You're not goin to your HS to tell IT what you know, because IT knows everything you know. Yer goin to learn. AND yer gonna have to dump a bunch anyway, to make room for all the knowledge that you will recieve fron your buddy HS.

Go brite-eyed-and-bushy-tailed, ready and eager to learn... your truth!!

And above all else... ENJOY!!!! cc.

aint that the truth. and it finally HIT me last night. im ready!

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I thought, and did not do. I heard, and did not obey. I ignored and did my own thing. It was 14 years before George started talkin to me again. It was the loneliest 14 years of my life........That's not so bad. 'Aint nobody talked to me yet, and I've been waiting 58 years. But I've always been a loner. So, since my H/S is me, and I am he, that means he's a loner too. Which means there's a whole lotta quiet goin' on. Lifetimes of quiet. I'll cover your lonely and raise you an empty. It 'aint easy.
hey orph, you know that feeling you get, when you get an idea to go do something? no not the feeling you get when you want something....never that. but the feeling to go do, it could be anything. get up and wash your face, or go for a walk. or read that book that keeps popping up, or seeing a friend, calling one....like you can actually see yourself doing it, but ONLY for the briefest moment...thats the start. go from there.

[sirdipswitch]

Hey!! Sway!!
YEP!! Right on!!

Hey Orph!!
She's right on with you too. That's exactly what I said. cc.

Hey Teej!!
Welcome aboard the crazy train. cc. I can see by your post, that you evidently haven't read everything that I have posted on this thread, or Adventures Beyond The Body, thread. What I been talkin about, ain't got nothin to do with dreamin... whatsoever... Gift? Teleportation? not a gift, but an ability, that we all possess when we remembwer how to use it. We can jump anyplace we wish, instantly in any dimension, even this one, carryin anything that ain't bolted down.ccc. And I didn't go seekin Gods truth, I went seekin mine. And got it. Now me and Source are buddies.

And remember always, no matter how you may think of me, be it harsh, raw, rough, tough, mean or uncarring, I will Love you as I do all on this forum... Unconditionally... yep:wizard:

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sway??? what kinda name is that??? I liked you better as a giant Lizard. ccccc.

[Orph]

hey orph, you know that feeling you get, ......... thats the start. go from there.Well then, I can do that. The K.I.S.S. principle. (Keep it simple, stupid). So that's where I'll start. :yo: Think I'll also take Sir---'s advice and turn my computer off for a month or two. Oh, I'll be back, but starting now, I'm not reading or listening to anybody. No more looking "out there" for answers. It's just me and my H/S. :wave:

[Jake]

We all astral travel every night in our dreams. The spirit body separates from the physical body and essentially "flies" to other dimensions. A lucid dream for me has been one of an experience in the higher dimensions, where the senses of the spirit body are in full operation. The spirit body has more senses than the physical body; however the more damaged your spirit body is, the less likely these extrasensory preceptors are deployed. Astral travel to the lower dimensions is often very dark, or dimly lit and trouble seeing all aspects of the landscape are evident. The more damaged a Soul is, the more they frequent the lower dimensions in Sleep State. The reason being, there are negative emotions they refuse to release and these are the worlds they are creating for themselves while doing so.
Other dreams that are jumbled, full of emotion and just are not logical are only Soul dreams and are your Soul telling you which negative emotions need releasing.
We really don't need to "TRY" to astral travel because as Souls, we all do it, some do it quite frequently during the day, eg. daydreaming while driving - you don't know where the time went
Those with spirit attachments (schizophrenia) do it minute by minute.
The REAL task at hand, is to develop in Love to such a high degree where we can connect to Divine Love, be at one with it, transform our DNA, and dimensionally travel (TELEPORT) with our very own bodies. This Gift is definitely available to us, for those truly seeking Truth. God's Truth.:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

Teej,, Brilliant first post, and WELCOME TO AVALON!! What took ya so long!! lol.. (oops) ccc :):)

[Maunagarjana]

I thought, and did not do. I heard, and did not obey. I ignored and did my own thing. It was 14 years before George started talkin to me again. It was the loneliest 14 years of my life........That's not so bad. 'Aint nobody talked to me yet, and I've been waiting 58 years. But I've always been a loner. So, since my H/S is me, and I am he, that means he's a loner too. Which means there's a whole lotta quiet goin' on. Lifetimes of quiet. I'll cover your lonely and raise you an empty. It 'aint easy.

I was amazed the first time I tried to talk to my spirit guide, and it worked. You just basically have to meditate, clear you mind, then state the intention that you wish to speak with your spirit guide. Then start asking questions. It's very subtle communication, sure, but it's not hard to do. But it works best if you request it. I'm not expert on it, but it did seem ridiculously easy to do. Communicating with your HS seems a little more complicated, but probably not by much. My perception is that they are just waiting for us to talk to them and are very glad when we finally figure it out. If they won't talk to you for some reason, I'd simply demand that they do so. They are there to assist you. They sorta have to if you are insistent enough about it, even if they think you're not ready or whatever.

[sirdipswitch]

Long long ago, I was sittin talkin to myself, and so I said to myself: "God... from this day forth, I shall call you George." cc.
Yep! Did it, just like that. I was 12. cc. Been talkin to George ever since.

Maunagarjana

Just like the Gurus'... yer tryin to complicate this thing too much. It ain't dificult at all. Just do it. And... forget them silly ol Spirit Guides. The ONLY one you wanna talk to is YOUR HS/Source. PERIOD. Do NOT... call on spirit guides... call ONLY on your High Self. IT is the ONLY one that resides within you, and listens to "everything " you think say or do, and is the Only one that can return your Memory and Power, as the True High Spirit Being that you are. And it ain't complicated. All ya gotta do is talk to IT, and then pay very close attention, because yes... in the beginning, it is very, very, subtle. Upon full awakening, IT will be another voice in yer head, that you can hold a conversation with. ccc. People will think yer nuts, when ya start talkin to yerself. cccccc. Wait till yer havin a very serious converstion with someone, and HS says somethin that absolutely uncontrolably makes you start crackin up. Really p*sses people off. ccc. And trust me on this one, HS/Source, has such an outrageously funny sense of Humor, you can NOT keep from laughin. Our Humor, comes from Source, and IT... is the alltime Master at it. Yep!!

So... quit meditatin thinkin it's dificult, when it ain't. IT.. is sitin right there readin this with you... and you can talk to IT, as you read this. Go ahead... ask IT something, and watch what pops into yer head!!!

Astral Projection... Out Of Body Experience... is the absolutely best, and quickest way to personally meet your HS/Source.

AND... IT will only give that which you command of IT. If whatever you ask is not something you can have at this time, IT... will tell you, and why. George tells me all the time to slow down and be patient. grrr... cc.

And you are absolutely correct... HS/Source is... just sitting there waiting for you to talk to IT!!!!! YOUR HS... is an Independent , Individual, Aspect of Source, whos ONLY purpose... is to "Serve" YOU. You came from that HS... you are that HS... you are a piece of it. you are split off from HS... just as HS, is split off from Source... and your OTHER half, is split off from you, just as you are split off from HS... and your #1 goal, is to find it. Your other half. We were split off from HS, and then divided into Male and Female, and then sent seperately into the physical... to find each other. Hide and seek... is far more that just a game little kids play. ccc. (found mine, 328Trillion years ago. But... didn't know what she really was, untill just last year. yep. cc.)

Love Unconditionally...:wizard:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

We were split off from HS, and then divided into Male and Female, and then sent seperately into the physical... to find each other. Hide and seek... is far more that just a game little kids play. ccc. (found mine, 328Trillion years ago. But... didn't know what she really was, untill just last year. yep. cc.)

Wellllllllll, and you leave us hanging out to dry like this????:o

What is SHE;)???

I have been reading a bit on the OBE thread, cant believe I only discovered it yesterday, but I am very much interested, been looking in the online bookstores today for the Buhlman books, its either a 65 euro audio book of crappy second hand only, the real bookstores turned up zilch, zippo, nada, been looking for jakes book to through the threads, much have skipped over it somehow, I want my first hand experience too, dammit, I have a small burnout and my employer gave me some time, so........OBE it is.

[sirdipswitch]

Hey neighbor!!

Welcome aboard the crazy train! cc.

I can see right now, yer gonna be a ton o fun. ccc.

Hangin out ta dry? What was she? Gonna have to explain simple sentences to ya. ccc. Yer gonna have to figure out how I rite. cc. Didn't know about Spirit halves. Didn't know we were split in two. Didn't know she was split from me, untill last year. We are now whole again.... me, her, and George, are one, after 433 Trillion years. Can't ever loosem again.ccc.

Can't find the books either, eh? I just did that too... Amazon... $11.49, each. What online book stores do you use? cc.

[Youniverse]

You are a gem, my friend...

http://positivework.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2008-03-30-enlightenment-e1273339855328.gif



OK Jake... now ya done it man. This one calls for special attention... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! LOVE IT!!

ego? does iy seem as though I may still have a little ego left? ccccc. Nope... don't have any "left". Still have what I've always had. ccc. The largest on the planet. ccc. My EGO is so big it's in outter space. cccccccccccc. It is my extremely large EGO and "Desire" to be the greatest on the planet, that has kept my dream of KNOWING, SOURCE, alive and well and at the forefront of everything I have ever endevered to do.

When the buddas finally determine that they have been lied to, just as much as the Christians, they will discover that we actually do need a healthy EGO, or they will just sit in one spot being humble, thinking they have achieved enlightenment. cccc. Do you think Source just sits around being humble? We ain't budda... we ain't christ.. WE are SOURCE. And it takes EGO, or you won't do that which is neccessary to get there.

I'm still crackin up over your post... love it!!

Thanx... made my day!:wizard::wizard::wizard:

I respectfully disagree with you here Sirdispwitch. Both Buddha and Christ were avatars and were one with the Father or Source. We don't 'get there' by giving this little me undue credit. The little me wouldn't even exist if not for the Supreme Spirit or consciousness itself. Ego is nothing but a barrier to be crossed on the way to enlightenment. So you're saying that all these spiritual masters that experienced and demonstrated real results in their oneness with God were wrong and you are right? I hope that's not what you're saying my friend. What you're doing is affirming that which limits us and holds us back from self-realization. Unless you have a radically different idea of what ego is, I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes we always need a bit of ego to exist in this world. Perspective is also important. At the same time we should honour our ego while also ensuring it 'knows its place.' On the other hand, if you are referring to the expanding of oneself or ones consciousness outward so that it is as if all is YOU, I agree with what you are implying. At some level, isn't God the ultimate 'ego' or individual because He is only one. With that in mind I can see where you're going. If you mean it that way. All is God anyways.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ah the self sustaining triplets are back together again, that must be an amazing feeling man, I have a lot of more reading to do about this and find the books, I did check out amazon btw, bad experience with non delivered goodies from the states, cash gone, delivery non existant.

I'll be keeping my eyes open for them in any case, in the meantime I'll watch some Robert Bruce ( astrobob) video's to get an idea what to expect.

Well its about time I start some more exploring, 42 years young, reiki master, social worker, rebirther, bricklayer, car mechanic, dickhead, overall good guy and overall dumb c@nt ( with often nothing in between) and still the smartest ( knowledge wise) from anyone I meet on the street, and I am still an complete idiot and amateur compared to lots of very intelligent, diligent, persistent, eloquent members of this forum and yet this forum is more addicting than crack, and that cant be good, so, bored to death, and want to see what all this weird life **** is really about, I love people but holy crap, the amount of bs we accept and create knowing or unknowing is staggering, I am a bit done with it and am very curious, taking the next step however feels exiting and irreversible, I better lower my expectations about this and cool down, be my usual unusual self and go with the flow, practice and take it how it comes, too many times this place here chased us to nowhere, so i'll start relaxing my way in to somewhere this time, I need the vacation.

Be good

Ed

Hope the below approaches that, that was in my mind already for some years now, the computer assisted me in getting it out some years ago, ah well, we'll see.

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[sirdipswitch]

Youniverse

Why would you critisize something you obviously didn't understand?

You been sittin too long with yer legs cramped? ccc.:wizard:

[soleil]

778 ive got the pdfs and i can send them to you. send me a pm if interested. or alternatively if there is a mod super power id ask for a recap link booklist lol from old posts.

[Maunagarjana]

Long long ago, I was sittin talkin to myself, and so I said to myself: "God... from this day forth, I shall call you George." cc.
Yep! Did it, just like that. I was 12. cc. Been talkin to George ever since.

Maunagarjana

Just like the Gurus'... yer tryin to complicate this thing too much. It ain't dificult at all. Just do it. And... forget them silly ol Spirit Guides. The ONLY one you wanna talk to is YOUR HS/Source. PERIOD. Do NOT... call on spirit guides... call ONLY on your High Self. IT is the ONLY one that resides within you, and listens to "everything " you think say or do, and is the Only one that can return your Memory and Power, as the True High Spirit Being that you are. And it ain't complicated. All ya gotta do is talk to IT, and then pay very close attention, because yes... in the beginning, it is very, very, subtle. Upon full awakening, IT will be another voice in yer head, that you can hold a conversation with. ccc. People will think yer nuts, when ya start talkin to yerself. cccccc. Wait till yer havin a very serious converstion with someone, and HS says somethin that absolutely uncontrolably makes you start crackin up. Really p*sses people off. ccc. And trust me on this one, HS/Source, has such an outrageously funny sense of Humor, you can NOT keep from laughin. Our Humor, comes from Source, and IT... is the alltime Master at it. Yep!!

So... quit meditatin thinkin it's dificult, when it ain't. IT.. is sitin right there readin this with you... and you can talk to IT, as you read this. Go ahead... ask IT something, and watch what pops into yer head!!!

Astral Projection... Out Of Body Experience... is the absolutely best, and quickest way to personally meet your HS/Source.

AND... IT will only give that which you command of IT. If whatever you ask is not something you can have at this time, IT... will tell you, and why. George tells me all the time to slow down and be patient. grrr... cc.

And you are absolutely correct... HS/Source is... just sitting there waiting for you to talk to IT!!!!! YOUR HS... is an Independent , Individual, Aspect of Source, whos ONLY purpose... is to "Serve" YOU. You came from that HS... you are that HS... you are a piece of it. you are split off from HS... just as HS, is split off from Source... and your OTHER half, is split off from you, just as you are split off from HS... and your #1 goal, is to find it. Your other half. We were split off from HS, and then divided into Male and Female, and then sent seperately into the physical... to find each other. Hide and seek... is far more that just a game little kids play. ccc. (found mine, 328Trillion years ago. But... didn't know what she really was, untill just last year. yep. cc.)

Love Unconditionally...:wizard:


Sir D....points well taken. The only reason I was suggesting meditation, is because if your mind isn't calm as a novice it might be hard to distinguish between a guide or HS and something contrived or imagined. The ripples created in the mind by this subtle form of communication are more easily distinguished if you start with a mind not full of ripples already. That's all I was saying.

What you say about talking to the spirit guide, I tend to agree with. And that's kind of what I got from that experience. Which is why I haven't repeated it. I mean, I felt much love and warmth coming from my guide, but I also got a distinct sense that he was going out of its way to not give me any information besides the bare basics. I managed to get his name and where we met (in a life long past) and a few other things, but overall I got a feeling like it was being careful not to say too much. Not because he's stingy, but because he knows *I* wouldn't want that or like it would be overstepping his mandate or something. But I don't feel it's a complete waste of time to try to connect with a guide. It can be a real eye opener in terms of showing what's possible.

But I agree that HS is the way to go. And I did ask a question of HS as you suggested. As I was reading your post, I asked, "Is this guy full of ****?" And from my left side, sort of near my left temple, I could feel the answer: "Nope." :)

[sirdipswitch]

Maunagarjana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand full well what yer talkin about, but... I contimplated my navel, (meditated) so long I thought my eyes were gonna drill a hole through it, but... it never helped me to achieve that which I truly wished to do. Fly... explore the Universe, find out how old I am as Spirit... where I came from... what I came from. Ya I did all the contimplation crap. opened my 3rd eye, Kundalini Blast, looked into the future, the past, saw some of the stuff I did... but... none of it ever got me to my HS, let alone Source. And, when I quit doin that and dumped all that stuff out the window... I got outta body. So... I don't like to dwell on that "stuff" any longer. Cuz it ain't needed, to go see your HS, and if it ain't needed, why even discuss it? It just adds more confusion. I'm tryin to lessen confusion, and when others keep bringin it up, it just slows down the works cuz I'm back here tryin to explane why ya don't need it, and if you were followin this thread you would understand. If you understood this thread you would...

George answers me in the very same manner that yours answered you. ccc. And now HEs' sittin here on my shoulder chucklein in my ear. We-get-our-Humor-from-them-!

To think... to reason... for yourself... is why I do as do... write as I do... mention, or not... that which I do or do not. Think before typing... whadhesay?????

YOU - can - do - every - thing - I - do - too - but - just - don't - remember. All I wish to do is help you remember.

And sometimes I do that by deliberately trying to, "rattle yer cage"! ccc.

:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Boy o boy, the HS has some sense of humor eh, I called upon it to make contact ( laid in bed and relaxed a bit which ended up in a nap) and it burped me awake, loud.

[sirdipswitch]

Boy o boy, the HS has some sense of humor eh, I called upon it to make contact ( laid in bed and relaxed a bit which ended up in a nap) and it burped me awake, loud.


cccccccccccccc Yep!!! I was sittin one day really thinkin serious, bout somethin I really wanted to figure out, and was havin trouble tryin to stay awake to get through it, when suddenly right behind me George yelled my name, and I bout jumped outta my skin, and almost broke my neck jerkin my head around, but wuddent nothin there. Didn't have any more trouble stayin awake either. ccc. And yep. Figured it out, shortly thereafter. cc.

That happened a couple o years before goin astral, and of course I didn't have a clue who said my name. Really creepy. A male voice, clear as a bell, and loud. Just as if someone was standin right behind me. Really got my attention. Have since asked George, and He verified it was indeed He. ccc.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

That happened a couple o years before goin astral, and of course I didn't have a clue who said my name. Really creepy. A male voice, clear as a bell, and loud. Just as if someone was standin right behind me. Really got my attention. Have since asked George, and He verified it was indeed He. ccc.

That happened to me some years ago SD, but it was very warm female voice and sounded soooo familiar, I really like low warm ladies voices if you know what I mean and I too sat up straight in a nanosecond looking around me, spoke into my ear from what appeared to come next to me, just my name and that was it, it happened a second time too( wasn't feeling all that great at the time to be honest), not an inner voice at all, what burped me awake this afternoon btw sounded like the weird east German tattooed and pierced lady friend of me ( best friend), I guess the HS can do this because its familiar to me and always makes me laugh when she does this.

I send Sway a pm, she has the books on PDF, really nice of her to share, cant wait to start reading them.

[sirdipswitch]

I FINALLY FIGERED IT OUT!!!! YEP!!! Why yer not gettin outta body!!

Yer all just too nosey!!! Yep! Nosey. You just can't be without yer computer long enough to giddit done.cc.

[risveglio]

Two of William Buhlman's books received. Hopefully I will have my own experience to share in a couple weeks.

Loving Book 1 but have not been blessed with the experience yet.

[MariaDine]

LOL...Have you ever «waken up » with your on snoring ? I find it hilarious...Yes. I snore loud, and have on several occasions woke myself up with my own snoring.



http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/widescreen/preview/garfield-dreaming-of-garfield-sleeping.jpg

LOL..Great !....I'm not alone :)

[Youniverse]

Youniverse

Why would you critisize something you obviously didn't understand?

You been sittin too long with yer legs cramped? ccc.:wizard:

Lol! You're right. I don't understand.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I suppose my post (or criticism?) was an attempt to understand what you had said there.

[sirdipswitch]

Two of William Buhlman's books received. Hopefully I will have my own experience to share in a couple weeks.

Loving Book 1 but have not been blessed with the experience yet.

You sound like all the rest here. Haven't even finished the book, and expecting to have an OBE. ccc.
Took me 3 readings of both books, and 8 months. ccc.

Your signature quote, is precisely what I've become to; "TPTB"! cc.:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

LOL...Have you ever «waken up » with your on snoring ? I find it hilarious...Yes. I snore loud, and have on several occasions woke myself up with my own snoring.



http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/widescreen/preview/garfield-dreaming-of-garfield-sleeping.jpg

LOL..Great !....I'm not alone :)

Nope, not alone, me too. ccc.

I was in the Army. Was in Thailand. We lived in Hooches. (cross between a Hut and a House.cc.) each held 10 men. The top half of wall was just screen, cuz it was really hot over there and that was our flow through ventilation. ccc. One night a guy was just headed to the Latrine, (At the end of our company "street" was our outhouse, (6 holer.cc.) ) and he was just passin my Hooch, when I gave out with a great big "SNORE"!! He was "p*ssed" at me fer a week... cuz he didn't make it. ccccccccc.
I spent o lotta nights wet and cold, cuz sombody throwed a bucket o cold water on me. ccc.

[sirdipswitch]

Youniverse

Why would you critisize something you obviously didn't understand?

You been sittin too long with yer legs cramped? ccc.:wizard:

Lol! You're right. I don't understand.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I suppose my post (or criticism?) was an attempt to understand what you had said there.

AHHH my Friend, but you do understand.

You just didn't listen to what you said. ccc.:wizard:

[Jake]

Sirdpswtch,,, Damnit man!! You never cease to amaze me.. :) What did 'i' ever do without 'you'??

[sirdipswitch]

Has anyone noticed, that I don't usually explain myself well?

Know why that is?

Didn't come here, to explain to the N-th degree, that which I only wish you to remember, by thinking and reasoning, for yourself.

You will return to HS/Source only by your own reason, not mine. And.. they are watching every thing you think. yep!

HS/Source will test you... but give everything you ask...

when you learn how to ask...

So.. what can we ask for? Anything... we are one with HS/Source.

What is Source? Infinate. IT is all that is. It is the only thing that is. There is nothing... outside of Source. NOTHING.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Hi!!! Banana!!! cc. Certainly i see you snoopin round. ccc.

[sirdipswitch]

Sirdpswtch,,, Damnit man!! You never cease to amaze me.. :) What did 'i' ever do without 'you'??


Don't blame me... George made me do it. ccccccccccccccc:wizard:

[NoNeedForAName]

OK. My really first post. Before of anything, sorry for my bad English.

I've been following PA for almost two years now and was avoiding to do any kind of commentary here because I think it is unsafe to participate of it. I was fearing to be put in same black list by TPTB or something. However this week I found out this thread and I am very impressed by its content, so that I did decide to act careless. sirdipswitch, as a rational person that I am (in fact, I am a mathematician), I have absolutely no reason to believe in nothing that you're saying. Yet I couldn't disagree with any one word you've spoken until now! Nor I think any of your supposedly recent acquired abilities impossible to have! LoL As a matter of fact, I realized people can achieve a higher state of being long time ago.

One of a few memories I retain from when I was a kid (believe it or not) is that final scene of the movie Little Buddha where Sidarta reaches enlightenment, that I watched, for sure, at random. That impressed me a lot during my childhood. I know it sounds stupid, but, besides that, I grew up watching a cartoon with this kind of holy knight described as "the man nearest to God". For some reason these words always ressonate deep within my heart and I thought they were meant to describe a state that every man should achieve. I'm not and never was a religious person, even though, maybe because of that, I asked to God at the age of eighteen, more or less, with true intent I believe, to not let me live the life of the ordinary people. I don't understand God's way, let's put it this way, but I haven't got what I wished for. Soon after that, I went study in a very prestigious university at my country and, since then, have dedicated almost ten years of my life to build a solid career. I'm actually succeeding in this goal but the truth is: I'm sad. I know that I'll live an ordinary life if I don't do nothing for a change and, worst, I feel like that I've decayed in some way.

When I came to know of PA I found out answers to many of my thoughts and feelings that I couldn't put into words before then. But, even if I've read and discovered about a lot of things, I wasn't in the mood to do this or that to, let's say, awaken. One of the main reasons was because things seemed to be too complicated to have some true value for me. Please people, don't misunderstand me. It isn't fear of hard work. It's actually part of my personal faith: as in math, elegance resides in simplicity. And a true way of living must be elegant! Besides that, I'm not interested in having a master, spiritual guide or anything alike, simply because none of them can answer to all of my questions!

It was in this state of spirit I found out this thread, where maybe a crazy old man says he is his own master (once High Self is himself), that he had achieved a higher state of being throwing away all the complicated stuff he had studied during his whole life, acting as a child to keep everything stupid simple! Probability tells me all of this cannot be just a coincidence. So, sirdipswitch, I thank you for your wholehearted obstinacy to try to teach us something, even if this then proves to be a truth just for you and mr.white. In respect to your efforts, I'll give a try to the things you are defending so far. Yesterday I bought the books Adventures Beyond The Body and The Secret Of The Soul at Amazon and should receive them until the end of September. Once I receive them, I'll start my reading and practice and will return here to share my own experience. I'm not going to use the PDF version of these books because they could have been modified. And Raduga's method will be my plan B, since a fellow said it can cause a distorted OBE.

For those still trying to get an OBE, I'd like to say that, as in math, sometimes it can be a real challenge to prove very simple statements. Nonetheless, it's always worth at the end. So keep trying with yours heads up! I also thank you all for the sharing of your experiences.

Cheers to all!

[sirdipswitch]

NoNeedtoBeNamed!!!

Just got all warm and fuzzy, readin yer post.

thanx... muchly. cc.:wizard::wizard::wizard:


Ps: cccccc...looks like me & George has already pulled you out. ccc.
(couldn't resist.cc.)

Pps: "Bill, Christine, Banana. Seeing your thank yous, made me all warm and fuzzy too.


EDIT: Plus all the rest that have added thanx you since. cc

[sirdipswitch]

“O nobly-born, when thy body and mind were separating, thou must have experienced a glimpse of the Pure Truth, subtle, sparkling, bright, dazzling, glorious, and radiantly awesome, in appearance like a mirage moving across a landscape in spring-time in one continuous stream of vibrations. Be not daunted thereby, nor terrified, nor awed. That is the radiance of thine own true nature. Recognize it.”
~The Tibetan Book of the Dead




Thought ya might find this interesting.cc.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This too!!

[I][/On Adventures beyond the body

“An intriguing guidebook for those who want to venture beyond the horizon of ordinary reality.”

~Dr. Raymond Moody, author of Life After Life
I]

:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

For all youwanna be buddas here, you might just wanna listen to this guy.

VA0n2bEnaN8

[risveglio]

Two of William Buhlman's books received. Hopefully I will have my own experience to share in a couple weeks.

Loving Book 1 but have not been blessed with the experience yet.

You sound like all the rest here. Haven't even finished the book, and expecting to have an OBE. ccc.
Took me 3 readings of both books, and 8 months. ccc.

Your signature quote, is precisely what I've become to; "TPTB"! cc.:wizard:

Nah, not expecting it just; really looking forward to having the experience. Like a 5 year old on Christmas eve, desperately wanting to go to sleep so he can wake up on Christmas morning but too excited to fall asleep

[risveglio]

OK. My really first post. Before of anything, sorry for my bad English.

I've been following PA for almost two years now and was avoiding to do any kind of commentary here because I think it is unsafe to participate of it. I was fearing to be put in same black list by TPTB or something. However this week I found out this thread and I am very impressed by its content, so that I did decide to act careless. sirdipswitch, as a rational person that I am (in fact, I am a mathematician), I have absolutely no reason to believe in nothing that you're saying. Yet I couldn't disagree with any one word you've spoken until now! Nor I think any of your supposedly recent acquired abilities impossible to have! LoL As a matter of fact, I realized people can achieve a higher state of being long time ago.

One of a few memories I retain from when I was a kid (believe it or not) is that final scene of the movie Little Buddha where Sidarta reaches enlightenment, that I watched, for sure, at random. That impressed me a lot during my childhood. I know it sounds stupid, but, besides that, I grew up watching a cartoon with this kind of holy knight described as "the man nearest to God". For some reason these words always ressonate deep within my heart and I thought they were meant to describe a state that every man should achieve. I'm not and never was a religious person, even though, maybe because of that, I asked to God at the age of eighteen, more or less, with true intent I believe, to not let me live the life of the ordinary people. I don't understand God's way, let's put it this way, but I haven't got what I wished for. Soon after that, I went study in a very prestigious university at my country and, since then, have dedicated almost ten years of my life to build a solid career. I'm actually succeeding in this goal but the truth is: I'm sad. I know that I'll live an ordinary life if I don't do nothing for a change and, worst, I feel like that I've decayed in some way.

When I came to know of PA I found out answers to many of my thoughts and feelings that I couldn't put into words before then. But, even if I've read and discovered about a lot of things, I wasn't in the mood to do this or that to, let's say, awaken. One of the main reasons was because things seemed to be too complicated to have some true value for me. Please people, don't misunderstand me. It isn't fear of hard work. It's actually part of my personal faith: as in math, elegance resides in simplicity. And a true way of living must be elegant! Besides that, I'm not interested in having a master, spiritual guide or anything alike, simply because none of them can answer to all of my questions!

It was in this state of spirit I found out this thread, where maybe a crazy old man says he is his own master (once High Self is himself), that he had achieved a higher state of being throwing away all the complicated stuff he had studied during his whole life, acting as a child to keep everything stupid simple! Probability tells me all of this cannot be just a coincidence. So, sirdipswitch, I thank you for your wholehearted obstinacy to try to teach us something, even if this then proves to be a truth just for you and mr.white. In respect to your efforts, I'll give a try to the things you are defending so far. Yesterday I bought the books Adventures Beyond The Body and The Secret Of The Soul at Amazon and should receive them until the end of September. Once I receive them, I'll start my reading and practice and will return here to share my own experience. I'm not going to use the PDF version of these books because they could have been modified. And Raduga's method will be my plan B, since a fellow said it can cause a distorted OBE.

For those still trying to get an OBE, I'd like to say that, as in math, sometimes it can be a real challenge to prove very simple statements. Nonetheless, it's always worth at the end. So keep trying with yours heads up! I also thank you all for the sharing of your experiences.

Cheers to all!

Cool, we can be experience partners. I am a slow reader. Pretty much only read for myself when I am on my porcelain throne.

[sirdipswitch]

Reading to a crowd while on the porcelain Throne, would IMO be a sign of their true Decipleship. ccccccc.

I call it the Throne of Contimplation. ccc.:wizard:

[Ernie Nemeth]

I just counted how many books I've read on the can, my wife always complains I take way too long in there. This year so far: 4 Sitchen, 3 novels, book on reiki, book on sungazing and the holographic universe (again). Ten books! Not bad, about average. I don't read anywhere else unless its on screen. Oh yeah, I've read a few more books in PDF this year too, I think four. Fourteen books in eight months. Two a month. Easily my quoto my whole life. So, say 20 books a year times 45 years - 900 hundred books, hmmm I thought it be more....

Sorry about the side bar, but kinda interesting, no?

[sirdipswitch]

Hey Ernie!

risveglio started it, and then I added to it, so yer right on topic for the moment. ccc

Is interesting though, eh? Like to read?? cc. Have you found; Sacred-Texts DOT com yet? over 1900 books on there and most of them hundreds of years old. Went absolutely bonkers when I found it. I didn't come up for air for about 4 years.cc.

I installed a bookcase in my Throne Room, way back when I was first newlywed, and my pretty little Missus, was apalled, that I would do such a thing. cc. She got over it, and then stocked it with "girl books". grrr. ccc.

[NoNeedForAName]

Hello. I still haven't got the Buhlman's books, but I want to report what happened to me this week, since I promised to share my experience here trying to get an obe. I hope I don't sound too centered in myself because it's definitely not my point. Please warn me if that's the case.

Since the concepts of obe and lucid dreaming are related to me, I started to worry about remembering my dreams. I quite don't remember any of them at all in the last years of my life, such that is that to sleep has been meaning to me nothing more than to turn off at night. Off course it was not always this way, but it has been a constant since the beginning to middle period of my excessive rational education. The fact is that I could easily remember my dreams and even induce a state of sleep paralysis to myself when I was about twelve years old, maybe a bit older, by just taking a nap during the day! This way I had a much more lighter sleep at night. Anyway, back to that time, I avoided doing this in every way possible to me, because frequently during these sleep paralysis I met a human like thing with really cold eyes that creeped me out. It often disguised itself as my brother but I always knew it was not him because of those eyes. In the last of these dreams, let's say, I was in the middle of anywhere, fearing something, when I realized I was in one of these dreams. Immediately I turned back where I was to see that thing, with cold eyes and a despicable smile, sat down, watching me. The whole scenary changed and became orange color, with a mirrored and cracked ground and with a tower reaching the sky at the very far. I then mentally challenged that thing, for the first time, and it just stared to me, motionless. Then I woke up. I think this was one of the most strangest dreams I ever had, to say the least, but, according to Wikipedia,

"[Sleep paralysis] is often associated with terrifying visions (e.g., an intruder in the room), to which one is unable to react due to paralysis." ,

so let's not see here more than there is to be seen, at least not for now...

As a grown man, what did I do this week? I napped a few times after lunchtime to see what would happen! :rolleyes:
As a result I had three sleep paralysis at night that I summarize just below!

08/26/2013 - First sleep paralysis
Shortly after I lie in my bed, I am lucid. I don't see anything and give an order to clarify my vision, without success. Trying to fight the jitters of that situation I hear a voice like that of my brother, that scares me a lot because of what I just said above and I almost wake up. I didn't understand what was said to me. Getting the grip on myself I still try to get out of body but it seems I just got to rotate my "body" around my belly button. I wake up with my cell phone ringing.

08/29/2013 - Second sleep paralysis
I'm once again at the sleep paralysis state. I try to get out of body but it seems just my legs are a bit free. Again everything is pitch black and I can't see anything. I start to say frenetically "I go to my HS now!" but, unfortunately, I don't believe in my own words, since I am still not out of body to see them take effect. I then ask my HS for help, although I know I should have demand it. What I hear then are crystal words that sounds like my brother! It says that I should take care of me trying to get out of body because I could hurt myself! An image of something like a foot above my abdomen followed this, halfway my belly button and the genital area, and then a bit of pain on that spot. I think then that I woke up, but everything was still quite dark and I couldn't move properly. I then hold myself in a chair next to my bed to really wake up. It was a dream inside another dream.

08/30/2013 - Third sleep paralysis
This time, soon I enter the sleep paralysis state, I say "in a loud tone" to all evil to get out of my way, 'cause I am of divine nature, once I am an immortal being of the highest order, and that I am there going to meet my HS. I think I'm a bit naive to say such a thing, but I say it anyway. I don't feel any fear and, because of this, I try to get out of body. Again I feel my legs are a bit free and I don't see anything. For a moment I think my legs are perpendicular to my body, with my feet pointing to the ceiling, and in the next instant I feel like I'm sitting in bed. Then I slide to what feels to be my living room, not walk, but slide. I continue to not see a thing but I insist and say "I go to my HS now!". Then I note a bright and white light where the window should be, but I don't feel that was a result of my command. Fearing things to be a bit out of control, I try to wake up, but instead of that I get an image of a really inviting beach, not populated, with a warm sun, white sand and a crystalline sea. I don't understand why I'm seeing that and I insist to wake up, this time succeding.

Well, I'm quite sure none of these dreams was an obe but I think they deserve some words here. I don't know why I keep hearing my brother's voice, since he is alive and well, thank goodness, but I will not let this gain body inside my thoughts! Simply this! I hope to receive my books very fast because I do not want my expectations to cool... :(

Thanks to listen to me.

[sirdipswitch]

This is what I replied in a PM to, NoNeedToBeNamed. Thought I would bring it in here for ya all to see.

Re: Lost post
Hi No Name!!!cc.

Repost! Was a great post that others should read. Every thing helps everyone. cc.

I found in reading it, that it was more Lucid Dream than OBE, and what was evident was a fear creeping into your experience, that should not be there. YOU my friend are an Immortal Being Of The Highest Order... and NOTHING can harm you. That is the only way to go Astral Traveling. Fearless!!! Immortal... can not be harmed... in any way! Period.

Remember... the Astral, is "instantly thought responsive", so anything you are thinking when you go in there, you will probably find. hmm. If you are going in fear, you will probly find something to "scare" you. cc. This is sposed ta be a happy, joyfull experience, yer goin ta meet your High Self!!!!!! Get yor "THINKING", and INTENTIONS" in order, before you go, and you will find a much better expeience when you do go out of body.

With... HS/Source... as YOUR protector... WHAT... should you fear???

When you go astral... the ONLY thing higher than YOU... is HS/Source!

Speaking of which, when you go there, always use words, not letters, as in HS, High Self.

HS, says nothing and could be anything. High Self is specific to you. High Self and not Higher Self. High Self means your Highest Self, and Higher Self could be some form of you on a lower level. You want your High Self, and nothing less. And then when you start to go there, go all the way. Don't stop half way wondering where you are going. ccc.

And go always in good Humor, and Love for all things. All the nasty little Gremlins, hate Love and good Humor. ccc.

Enjoy
bob


This just goes right back to basics, that I keep hammerin away at: "Insecurity, Confusion and Fear", will keep you from your High Self/Source, and could cause you to find all sorts of little Gremlins, when you do try to go there.

Happy, Joyfull, Loving. THIS is the absoluely thee most fun yer ever gonna have.

It "ain't" to be feared...:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

When you get out of body, a simple statement, as if you already possess the ability, and it's yours. Simple.

The simple statement, "I Go Now, To My High Self", and then believe it beyond "any" doubt. Without Fear!!! You are an "Immortal Being Of The Highest Order"... you get what you ask for!!! Just don't say it as a question, but a simple statement of fact, as if it already is!! Whatever it is!! Your HigH Self, will take care of you, and be your only instructor... when you tell it to. Guides and Angels, will only give what they think you need. We are above them, not below them!!

The common problem I see, is everyone wondering in there, without a clue as to where they are or what they are doing or what they should do. When you cross the line YOU are in control, and determine everything that will happen. You are Conscious in there... use it... learn to "think" on the fly, in there. Do you know how to "think"? Do you? Do you "know" why you are in there? Do you know what it is that YOU want to do in there? Do you just want to go in there and play with Gremlins? Or, do you wish to go see your High Self? THINK!! IN THERE!! We learn to think, in there, by first learning to think, out here. ccc. Think out here, why yer goin in there. And remember it is "instantly" thought responsive... in there. SIMPLE!!!


:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[danceblackcatdance]

hey guys :) i've still not made it out yet hah.. life been crazy, or just not allowed myself yet :D

altho had an awesome lucid dream a couple of weeks ago... woke up inside to find myself flying through orange and blue mist, realised i was dreaming / got all excited and just remembered to say 'i go to my high s...' and then woke up properly before i could finish, was cool tho!

[sirdipswitch]

Desire... dedication... perserverance... how much do you need to exhibit... to get out of body?

I've talked about this a few times, without really getting into specifics and now I'm going to get specific.

THIS... is how bad ya gotta want it... or it won't get done!!

THIS is DESIRE... and 100% dedication... to PERSERVERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

110 miles, from Havana, Cuba - Key West, Florida... SWIMMING for 53 HOURS to achieve her goal!!!

You can read about her here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62901-Diana-Nyad-She-s-Almost-There-&p=723540&viewfull=1#post723540

THIS... is the very same kind of effort I put in to achieve my goal of getting out of body for the very first time... and it worked!!!

If you ain't puttin in this kind of effort... how can you possibly hope to achieve your goal?

Ya gotta want it...
Ya gotta believe that it's as natural as breathin...
Ya gotta quit tryin, and just do it...
Ya gotta know that your way will work, with single minded pupose, and not thinking about what else may work... if this don't!
Ya gotta not give yer HS opportunity to sit there sayin: "Gee, I wonder how many things he/she is gonna TRY?"

If Source... had no DESIRE, to play this game... IT, would have stopped...

a very long time ago.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

I started this thread to make a point. I made it. I have stressed it. You missed it. I know this to be true, because not one of you have achieved the achievable. Had you understood the point of it, you would not be continuing with mindless chitter chatter, across this forum.

You need to watch this video to hear what he says and then go to Netflix and watch a movie called "Triangle", to understand the implications of TIME LOOP.

iADd0oUv8HU

[sirdipswitch]

Hey guess what???

I found that movie "Triangle", on U-Tube, so you can go there and watch it free, instead of netflix. ENJOY.

Oh ya, it's a spooky one so be prepared, and like it says at the start, if ya got a bad heart, ya probly shouldn't be watchin it. ccc. Hey!! I keep tellin ya I got a mean and evil nasty side!! ccc.

Best movie ever made showing Time Loop. cc.

5eFYVr6zGTQ

[NoNeedForAName]

Cool, we can be experience partners. I am a slow reader. Pretty much only read for myself when I am on my porcelain throne.

Hi @risveglio. Sorry for the late answer. I received my two books from Buhlman, "Adventures Beyond the Body" and "The Secret of the Soul", just today. I'll start reading the first of them now. Feel free to ask me anything about my impressions, practice, experience, etc. I'll try to answer them the best I can.

[Shamz]

Thank you Sir for recommending this movie and posting it out there... This is first time I saw that and loved it ... amazing storyline and director did good job filming it Kubrick's style ( The Shining )

I understood the story -- but why it kept happening to her ? Was Nature giving her chances to mend her ways...to treat her son more humanely ? when will it stop eventually ? Frickin mind twister movie
Much love


Hey guess what???

I found that movie "Triangle", on U-Tube, so you can go there and watch it free, instead of netflix. ENJOY.

Oh ya, it's a spooky one so be prepared, and like it says at the start, if ya got a bad heart, ya probly shouldn't be watchin it. ccc. Hey!! I keep tellin ya I got a mean and evil nasty side!! ccc.

Best movie ever made showing Time Loop. cc.

5eFYVr6zGTQ

[MariaDine]

I started this thread to make a point. I made it. I have stressed it. You missed it. I know this to be true, because not one of you have achieved the achievable. Had you understood the point of it, you would not be continuing with mindless chitter chatter, across this forum.

You need to watch this video to hear what he says and then go to Netflix and watch a movie called "Triangle", to understand the implications of TIME LOOP.

iADd0oUv8HU

.......................

A voice in the Desert !!!

[NoNeedForAName]

09/14/2013
I just received my books from Buhlman today. After lunch I started reading "Adventures Beyond the Body". I really liked the first part of the book, where the author relates his own experiences and concludes we humans have many vehicles, one of those is our physical body. Very enlightening his explanation. Since I just have slept for about 4-5 hours last night, I dozed off during my reading. Maybe because I was focused on the subject of obe, I started to feel some vibrations through my body and a bit of a buzz in my ears, both of which intensified when I payed more attention to the buzz in my right ear. I already have felt this sensations long before in my life, so I was calm. Even though, I tried to get even more calmer to force an obe, but I woke up during my try.

09/15/2013
I continue my reading of the book "Adventures Beyond the Body". I'm feeling quite comfortable with the day, since it is a really nice sunday's afternoon, with a bright blue sky here in my city. I decide to stop my reading to take a nap and force a ligher sleep at night, which increases my awareness sometimes. Since I was going to sleep I decided to try to hold of the affirmation "Now I go out of body" suggested many times in Buhlman's book. Again I felt the vibrations. This time they were weak than before, but uniform through my body and there was no buzz. I used another suggestion by Buhlman's trying to force a separation from physical body to first nonphysical body and imagine myself out of phase with the first. To my surprise I started to feel myself being unstick from my body, the last part of which was my belly button region. Then started an upward movement. It stopped one or two seconds later when I thought I'd hit the ceiling. I was very aware of what was happening, such is the case I remembered PA and proudly thought to myself: "Wow, I'm going to get an obe in just two days!" :o But then I decided to open my eyes, 'cause I was just feeling everything and not seeing anything. The result was that I opened my physical eyes and woke up... I was strangely feeling quite lighter after this and my mood became even better too. Let's see if tonight I get better results! :)

[sirdipswitch]

MariaDine!!!

A voice in the Desert !!!


Precisely how it feels at times. ccc. Thanx!!

[sirdipswitch]

And so the Mathmetician finds a bit of elegance in simplicity... cc.

Yep!! When you go in the simplicity of belief in what yer doin, you will find an elegance far beyond human language.

Do not fear the ceiling my friend, just go through it with the simple statment: "I GO NOW, TO MY HIGH SELF", and don't stop till ya get there. Don't get cold feet halfway there, wonderin where yer goin.

[risveglio]

09/14/2013
I just received my books from Buhlman today. After lunch I started reading "Adventures Beyond the Body". I really liked the first part of the book, where the author relates his own experiences and concludes we humans have many vehicles, one of those is our physical body. Very enlightening his explanation. Since I just have slept for about 4-5 hours last night, I dozed off during my reading. Maybe because I was focused on the subject of obe, I started to feel some vibrations through my body and a bit of a buzz in my ears, both of which intensified when I payed more attention to the buzz in my right ear. I already have felt this sensations long before in my life, so I was calm. Even though, I tried to get even more calmer to force an obe, but I woke up during my try.

09/15/2013
I continue my reading of the book "Adventures Beyond the Body". I'm feeling quite comfortable with the day, since it is a really nice sunday's afternoon, with a bright blue sky here in my city. I decide to stop my reading to take a nap and force a ligher sleep at night, which increases my awareness sometimes. Since I was going to sleep I decided to try to hold of the affirmation "Now I go out of body" suggested many times in Buhlman's book. Again I felt the vibrations. This time they were weak than before, but uniform through my body and there was no buzz. I used another suggestion by Buhlman's trying to force a separation from physical body to first nonphysical body and imagine myself out of phase with the first. To my surprise I started to feel myself being unstick from my body, the last part of which was my belly button region. Then started an upward movement. It stopped one or two seconds later when I thought I'd hit the ceiling. I was very aware of what was happening, such is the case I remembered PA and proudly thought to myself: "Wow, I'm going to get an obe in just two days!" :o But then I decided to open my eyes, 'cause I was just feeling everything and not seeing anything. The result was that I opened my physical eyes and woke up... I was strangely feeling quite lighter after this and my mood became even better too. Let's see if tonight I get better results! :)

Thanks for the updates. I am about 3/4 done with the first book and have had some similar experiences. I think I am too anxious and the one time that I really felt like I was about to "pop", I thought about how others would see my body and everything just stopped. Have to stop doing that.

[sirdipswitch]

I have recieved a PM and friend request, from someone who is so full of questions that I decided to answer them here. cc.

This thread is not about me. It is not about what I do. I only tell you about me, as a spark for your very own imagination, so that you will begin to understand that which you may learn to do.

Going out of body... is NOT the goal of this thread. 24/7s' communion with your High Self/Source... is the goal. hmm. And that, my friends, is having God, sitting on your shoulder to talk with, "anytime" you should choose to do so. So... quit thinkin of what I do... and start thinking of that which You can do. What would you be talkin to God about everyday. Your HS/Source IS GOD. and YOU can once again, be one with IT.

So don't come here tryin to pick me apart with a million questions, cuz it ain't about me, it's about you... about who you are... what you are... what YOU wish to do... and all you need to get you there is 2 books... if you can't do it by those 2 books, then you probly ain't gonna get it done. simple... cc.

I only tell you some things I do, so that you will understand that A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G... IS P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E.

Strike the word impossible from your vocabulary... now how do you feel about life on earth? Now how's yer imagination? What can YOU think, to do? Do you just want to sit on rock alongside a stream and be peacefull with yerself all day? or conquer the world? or somethin in between somewhere? SOOOOOO MMMAAAANNNNYYY possiblities!!!!

It is YOUR game... play it how you will.

When YOU achieve 24/7 Communion with your HS, I promis... your life WILL change...

If someone had told me 5 years ago, what I would be doing today,

I would have ccccccccccccccccccccccMAO !!! :wizard::wizard::wizard:



What's it like, havin HS sittin on yer shoulder 24/7s'?
Ain't enuff room on this computer, to describe it in mere human words........

[sirdipswitch]

Oh ya, did I leave out the peace part? What peace? Total peace!!! With everything. Even yourswelf. cc. (oops, sorry, my fingernail keeps hittin that dammmm W. ccc.)

I keep talkin about all the really cool powers yer gonna get, (if ya wantem) and forget the really cool peace yer gonna get. When you hook up with your HS/Source, total peace with everything comes as an unconditionally loving peace, as a natural byproduct of that union.

Just as my signature says: "Love, Peace, and Humor".. will be your natural order of every day from that time forward, when you make your conection to; "High Self/Source"!!!!! (That's the one some still call God.)

I got the name Source, from the Tibetan Buddas, who call IT, The Ever Unknowable Source Of All Creation. (hence) Source.

I no longer "pray" to anything... I talk personally with IT, through HS... which is my little piece of IT... to talk with whenever.

Just as YOU will do. AND you will finally understand what real peace, means!!!

So... why go OOB? Because it's the quickest way to that union. And the most fun. ccc.

:wizard::wizard::wizard:



Oh ya, and lest I forget again, do not stop to play in the astral realms, untill after you make that connection, or you may get trapped there, and never make your connection. cc. yep!

[sirdipswitch]

One simple post... so powerfull... :wizard:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63646-I&p=733766&viewfull=1#post733766


:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Sirdipswitch,

From your posts, I understand some of the good things that happens when one connects with Highest Self.

Does this powerful connection allow you to help find missing and endangered underage teenagers?

Or is that something you and HS prefer not to get involved with?

Referenced article (http://wtvr.com/2013/09/22/investigators-contact-person-of-interest-in-alexis-murphy-case/)

[sirdipswitch]

Adventures Beyond The body...
The Secret Of The Soul...

If y'all had the ability to understand that which you read...

Y'all would be out of body...

Simple...

I like simple...

I guess y'all just ain't as simple as me...ccc.:wizard:

[NoNeedForAName]

Hi everyone.

Have been almost two weeks since my last post. In this time I managed to read those two books from Buhlman. I liked them both, but imo to read "Adventures Beyond the Body" is already enough to try to achieve an obe and, after that, communion with our High Self. The instructions for these goals are more or less simple, so there isn't too much "science" to write about. Which is good by the way! :)

The purpose of "The Secret of the Soul" would maybe be better to reinforce the ideas that obes and High Self communion are possible as well as to force you to think continuously on these subjects. I now think this is a fundamental aspect of the practice in question. Unfornately, I couldn't do this appropriately these last weeks because of too much work. I spent my whole days thinking about math, my nights teaching math and, at bedtime, sometimes just dreamed with math! LOL Quite vicious this thing! The result was that these weeks I had too much more difficult in finding myself in that vibrational state or even concious in my dreams... On 09/22 I did have a lucid dream, but it went a bit dark, so I think it's not worth to describe it here. The reason for this? Maybe a 2-hour YouTube video that I watched prior to go to bed about Nephilims, ETs, etc... This was another lesson for me: although intent is necessary, it is not sufficient. I should take more care with the things I allow to print an image on my subconscious to stop them from spoil my intent! The reason I say this is because of the following: after one week reading Buhlman's books and without any progress, I was really pissed off with myself (not that I should be, 'cause this is a completely normal thing, but I was...). I went to bed at 8 p.m. to try my practice without the risk to fall asleep. But, agaisnt my will, I slept! In the middle of the night I woke up and tried once more. But I slept again!! When it was about 4 a.m. I woke up, already frustated after realizing what happened, but I decided to try an obe a third time. Almost two ours went on without success. Then, exactly when I was dozing off one more time, I just felt some very weak vibrations. Immediately, I thought about do not miss that opportunity and was conscious in the dream that started. But then, after all my efforts, it was ruined by the images I had that time in my mind...

Well, even without achieving the ultimate goal, I think I had some good lessons. I hope them serve to others as well! From my part, I'll continue trying here! :)

[NoNeedForAName]

Hi Sirdipswitch,

From your posts, I understand some of the good things that happens when one connects with Highest Self.

Does this powerful connection allow you to help find missing and endangered underage teenagers?

Or is that something you and HS prefer not to get involved with?

Referenced article (http://wtvr.com/2013/09/22/investigators-contact-person-of-interest-in-alexis-murphy-case/)

Ron,

I think I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you think anyone that has achieved a higher state of being should carry the weight of the world on its own shoulders, all by itself? Bad things indeed happen and this is very sad but, instead of focus on some specific problems and try to resolve just them, wouldn't be better to try to make everyone in the planet better and attack all the problems from that point on? If, then, any continue to exist? This reality is something constructed and experienced by all of us. Imho, I think that, because of this, it's impossible for someone alone to change it radically, however enlightened a person can be. One could say it's almost a law of existence, don't you agree?

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating sirdipswitch, although I do think he's trying to do a good work here, with or without special abilities. I like this thread because it discuss of a possible inner evolution of human being, at the reach of our own hands, in a simple way! Try to see it by what it is.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Sirdipswitch,

From your posts, I understand some of the good things that happens when one connects with Highest Self.

Does this powerful connection allow you to help find missing and endangered underage teenagers?

Or is that something you and HS prefer not to get involved with?

Referenced article (http://wtvr.com/2013/09/22/investigators-contact-person-of-interest-in-alexis-murphy-case/)

Ron,

I think I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you think anyone that has achieved a higher state of being should carry the weight of the world on its own shoulders, all by itself?

NoNeedToBeNamed,

My reasoning for asking the question is that some people enjoy being helpful, some only in specific ways where they have a lot to give.

Sirdipswitch has posted some of his wonderful abilities and adventures here that are the result of his connection with his HS. I do not think that anyone with that kind of connection would feel the weight of the world on one's shoulders.

My question for Sirdipswitch was simply, if SirDipSwitch had the ability to help find missing persons, would he choose to help (in some cases, not all) or not. Regardless of his ability or decision, no criticism is intended. If SirDipSwitch answered the question, I would learn a little more.

Learning more about abilities and adventures with HS is a very interesting topic and can be encouragement for the rest of us to establish our own connections. Do you agree?

[sirdipswitch]

Recomended reading.. found it quite usefull. Would also recomend clickin the link and reading the artical it came from.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63769-Spiritual-Strength-Requires-a-Strong-Foundation&p=735469&viewfull=1#post735469

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Adventures Beyond The body...
The Secret Of The Soul...

If y'all had the ability to understand that which you read...

Y'all would be out of body...

Simple...

I like simple...

I guess y'all just ain't as simple as me...ccc.:wizard:

I like simple also. I LOVE simple.
Simple questions, simple answers, simple relationships, simple everything with a dash of technology thrown in for spice.

[sirdipswitch]

Ron, the simple answer is yes... the complicated answer is no, and Source likes me so much better, when I keep my nose out of HIS business. I was trying to do just as you asked, when George asked me one day: "Aren't you going to save them all?" hmm. Made me stop and think. No I can't save them all, and I don't know why Source has allowed them to come to such a predicament, in the first place, so I don't get involved in HIS business any longer. HE is ok with me playing game with the three lettwer people though so I do still bug them here and there, just to let them know that times are changin.

Something else to consider is the fact the you seem to overlook in asking your question. When one returns to Spirit... anything is possible... just as keep stating. The only thing that will limit this, is when you take on the responsibility of that which "should" be done. Remember cause and effect? With great power... comes great responsiblility. Not to worry though, when you get there, you will have an extremely knowledgeable guide to help you. ccc.

[NoNeedForAName]

Learning more about abilities and adventures with HS is a very interesting topic and can be encouragement for the rest of us to establish our own connections. Do you agree?

I do agree many people would become excited to study the subject if super powers were offered to them, but I think that's not the way to go, despite the good uses these people can give to them. These abilities, if they're really possible, are just special because so few of us had experienced and reported them. If we "evolve", then, most probably, they would become commom sense. So, no need to look for them in particular.

Of course I respect all opinions, but I also think one should strive for High Self communion for different reasons than special abilities. My particular case: I'm looking for this because I think it's the *natural* thing that should happen next to everyone, as a river today runs to something far more greater than itself, which is the sea.

Speculating about your original answer, I would say it's possible to someone that communion with High Self to track a missing person, if this person wishes for this. Anything that don't interfere with the free will of others should be possible. My personal opinion again.

:)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

**Sirdipswitch,

Thanks for a simple answer I can understand. Getting the idea to do something (in this case find someone, or find out their current circumstance) is one thing. Getting further input from one's intuition or Source to not interfere is valuable and valid.

**NoNeedToBeNamed,

To clarify, the original question posed to SirDipSwitch was not intended to establish a reason for getting super powers, or a reason achieving communion with HS. The intention was to ask SirDipSwitch if he was willing/had the capability to look into the abduction of an underage, female member of the local community.

It is possible that there are unknown positive reasons why this girl was abducted. I really do not know. I totally agree with your statement "don't interfere with the free will of others". But that leads us way down the rabbit hole, looking for resolution when conscious free will choice differs from the soul's choice. Too deep to discuss here.

In this case, my intuition being what it is (right or wrong), motivates me to err on the side of hope for a gentle and loving outcome rather than indifference. But if Source says "Aren't you going to save them all?", that is good enough for me. If I were chatting with my HS, I might ask, "*Why* is it best to leave it alone?", but that is what I do, question everything.

Although I do not know this young lady, one can be helpful to both friends and strangers without getting too metaphysical or too deeply involved. We can be specifically helpful in areas where we may have special abilities (reference my question to SirDipSwitch). Do you agree?

In this case I asked SirDipSwitch for information and his answer satisfies me about 99%. I will *always* have more questions.

[camper]

I also have a question for sirdipswitch if I may? I posted this in another thread and had two very nice reply's but it didn't really answer my question. I have also been trying to go out of body and for maybe two months during the afternoon I lay down and repeat to myself I will go out of body, and after about 45-60min my whole body starts to move. It starts in my legs and then my hips then my stomach then arms. they actually move!! up, down across and the more I keep saying it the more it almost feels like something is going to bust right out of me. Now I am totally awake and aware of everything. Should my body be moving like that? I have never heard of anything like that happening, should I quit?

[NoNeedForAName]

We can be specifically helpful in areas where we may have special abilities (reference my question to SirDipSwitch). Do you agree?

Yes, if you believe special abilities are indeed required. I, on the other hand, insist: an even inner development of everyone would make these abilities commom sense and each individual would be solely responsible for its own life. This way can have a lasting effect. But you can say: "This would not help this girl, right now." Indeed, but today was the future of yesterday. Maybe this situation wouldn't exist if we had achieved a long time ago what I'm defending now. Is it easy to accept the "dumb" things I am saying? No. Would I behave passively if this girl was part of my family? Off course not. So, this change my argument? Unfortunately, I don't think so.


To clarify, the original question posed to SirDipSwitch was not intended to establish a reason for getting super powers, or a reason achieving communion with HS. The intention was to ask SirDipSwitch if he was willing/had the capability to look into the abduction of an underage, female member of the local community.

I'm sorry for commenting on this post of yours. I really had no ill intent in doing so. I just thought it wouldn't be a problem, since it was not a personal message. Rest assured that this will not be repeated.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'm sorry for commenting on this post of yours. I really had no ill intent in doing so. I just thought it wouldn't be a problem, since it was not a personal message. Rest assured that this will not be repeated.

No problem here NoNeedToBeNamed. Looking at issues from a variety of perspectives can be a healthy brainstorming experience. Your comments are appreciated.

[sirdipswitch]

Short answer... Source! "Is currently helping ALL... with everything they need..."!

LIFE, will go as planned, even if "I", do nothing. Simple. No matter how hard hearted I seem.

But even so... I do still help some.

The level of Responsibility that you are able to achieve will determine the abilities that you will be allowed to possess. simple.

[sirdipswitch]

I also have a question for sirdipswitch if I may? I posted this in another thread and had two very nice reply's but it didn't really answer my question. I have also been trying to go out of body and for maybe two months during the afternoon I lay down and repeat to myself I will go out of body, and after about 45-60min my whole body starts to move. It starts in my legs and then my hips then my stomach then arms. they actually move!! up, down across and the more I keep saying it the more it almost feels like something is going to bust right out of me. Now I am totally awake and aware of everything. Should my body be moving like that? I have never heard of anything like that happening, should I quit?

don't quit, don't quit, keep on keepin on, yer HS is just tryin to shake yer sticky but loose. ccccccccc.

For the final two weeks before jumpin OB I was shakin like a frieght train was usin me for a switching terminal. cc.
I was layin on my side, and started shakin back and forth like someone had ahold of me shakin me. Everbody has "difernt" experiences with this, dependin on how playfull yer HS is with you. How's yer sense o Humor?? cc. Think about it? Have you been playin with yer HS??? Do you play with yer HS? Do you and HS have an outrageous sense of Humor?

George plays with me all the time! It's who we are!!! HS/Source... is fun! Also!

Sounds to me like yer gettin ready to make the "jump to light speed"! ccc.

[camper]

Thank you so much sirdipswitch, I will keep on keepin on and when the train has left the station I'll let you know!!!! I just wanted to make sure their was no evil thing inside trying to get out. Oh ya I do have a good sense of humor.

[soleil]

hi sirdip, hope you dont kind me sharing this book here....
http://astral.manifestedvision.com/ebooks/Melita_Denning_Osborne_Phillips_-_Practical_Guide_to_Astral_Projection.pdf

[risveglio]

Well, I have been having fewer BMs so I have not done much reading :), but I am at the point where he is teaching the techniques and I am trying to work on my visualizations. I leave the book around and it has been talked about and my wife asked a question that I have not read in the book and was wondering if any of you OBEers have experienced it. If you and another go out of body at the same time, can you be in the same "place"? I mean, can you interact out of body?

[camper]

Hi risveglio, just to add a line to your question, what can happen if your lying next to your love one when you go outa body and they know nothing about it? that's why I do it in the afternoon when we take a nap. Don't want to tag them along and scare the heck out of them!!!! if that's possible. Thank you.

[Jake]

Well, I have been having fewer BMs so I have not done much reading :), but I am at the point where he is teaching the techniques and I am trying to work on my visualizations. I leave the book around and it has been talked about and my wife asked a question that I have not read in the book and was wondering if any of you OBEers have experienced it. If you and another go out of body at the same time, can you be in the same "place"? I mean, can you interact out of body?

If I may address this a bit.. Interaction of this type is absolutely possible. The experiences will be interpretive,, meaning that the environment will be of a co-created nature (most astral environments are) and will still be open to limited interpretation, upon return. I have done it on accident, with crystal clear involvement with another. Other times, I have had an OBE with another, who did NOT remember it, upon return. But DID remember it years later!! There is a LOT of that going on, actually. On a good clear night, with a good clear mind,,, YES you can journey together. :)





Hi risveglio, just to add a line to your question, what can happen if your lying next to your love one when you go outa body and they know nothing about it? that's why I do it in the afternoon when we take a nap. Don't want to tag them along and scare the heck out of them!!!! if that's possible. Thank you.


I have never been able to drag someone out of their bodies. (only partially true,, hard to explain) I do not remember bringing a person sleeping next to me, but I do remember bringing my little dog, Ricker... He tags along sometimes. ...

I hope this helps.
jake

[sirdipswitch]

hi sirdip, hope you dont kind me sharing this book here....
http://astral.manifestedvision.com/ebooks/Melita_Denning_Osborne_Phillips_-_Practical_Guide_to_Astral_Projection.pdf



My goodness, yet another book to aid in yer confussion? ccc.

On a personal note... I have steared clear of anything of a "Magical" nature for a very good reason... and that is... it "can" "sometimes", call influences to the "Novice" that they would be ill prepared to deal with. The very word magic, no matter how the book presents it can make one, (because of all the crazy stuff they may think they know about it) hold these immages (crazy type goblins and creepy critters) in the back of their mind while reading how "nice" it is, and then find these immages when they cross into the astral. Remember, instantly thought responsive!

This is one of the reasons for my using William Buhlmans teaching... he doesn't bring magic into the picture.

There is NOTHING "magical", about Astral Projection. (no matter how you spell it.. magick!!!)

Just keep confusing yourself, and you will never get OOB.

[sirdipswitch]

Not good to touch someone while goin OOB. Their mind can and will influence your experience. And if yer sleepin with yer dog, it will go with you and love it. Mine does. ccc. Back before going Astral, I had to put my other dog to "sleep", due to severe health reasons. (Bridget, my mini Dachshund. Now I just have Sydney, my Boston Terrier) We miss her terribly, so we go cross the line daily to play with her. Yep! PLUS... Bridget can pull enough energy from sleeping next to me all night, that she can get physical enough for me to pet her in the mornning before I get out of bed. ccc. love it!!! So does she!!

If you are in bed with someone else, even though you aren't touching them, when you go OOB, and then they do touch you, they will instantly pull you back to body, which can be a real bummer if yer doin somethin really cool out there. ccc.

Also, if they are havin a nasty ol "night mare", that too, can show up in yer OOBE. ccc. bummer!! cc.

You should be alone, and "Clearly" focused, on that which YOU wish to do in the Astral Realm.

Is it possible to go Astral with a "friend"? yep! (Remember what I kleep sayin? Remove the word Impossible, from your vocabulary!!!)

[soleil]

sorry guys, i thought this was the 'other' obe thread where we could share anything. and pls just bc i share this book, doesn't mean im confused. but thanks for your vote.....

[Jake]

sorry guys, i thought this was the 'other' obe thread where we could share anything. and pls just bc i share this book, doesn't mean im confused. but thanks for your vote.....

Of course you can share here. I have read the book, several times. I have found that reading a book about astral projection, fiction/non-fiction,, it always helps to keep my mind in a 'fascinated' mode. It can help with OBE.. I don't think any one was voting 'yeay' on you being confused. :) Certainly not. A book is a book, take it all with a grain of salt. I think that was the main point of Sirdipswtch comment. Also, the Llewellyn stuff can get a bit 'magicky'.. :) Just an opinion. I am going to read it again,, Thanks.

Jake

[soleil]

sorry guys, i thought this was the 'other' obe thread where we could share anything. and pls just bc i share this book, doesn't mean im confused. but thanks for your vote.....

Of course you can share here. I have read the book, several times. I have found that reading a book about astral projection, fiction/non-fiction,, it always helps to keep my mind in a 'fascinated' mode. It can help with OBE.. I don't think any one was voting 'yeay' on you being confused. :) Certainly not. A book is a book, take it all with a grain of salt. I think that was the main point of Sirdipswtch comment. Also, the Llewellyn stuff can get a bit 'magicky'.. :) Just an opinion. I am going to read it again,, Thanks.

Jake

yes i get that, but its a bit presumptuous, as its just a source of info, right? each person here knows to take what resonates with them only (ihope!).

maybe i am predisposed to wanting to learn as much as possible, thats just my personality ..... and its nice when i read similar spiritual info over a wide range of genres. which this is an example of...theres really no magick referenced actually so far as ive read.......

[sirdipswitch]

Well slap my face and call me stupid!!! ccc. Yer both right!! cc. Thanx, Sway!!! Thanx, Jake!!!

Sometimes I forget to back up and listen to what it was I said. ccc. What was that???

"Please, Do NOT, believe a word that I say, for this is my journey not yours. Go do your own research. Listen to no-one. Find YOUR own Truth. As "I" did." "It is all just a Game, play it as you will."

Yep. ccc. I did say that didn't I??? ccc.

And... how you play it... is all importantly about YOU!!! yep.ccc.

Just never never ever ever QUIT!!! YOU will get there... when YOUR time is right to get there. simple. cc.

So I'll just sit here and keep Lovin all of ya anyways,
no matter what ya do. ccc.:wizard:

[risveglio]

Well, I have been having fewer BMs so I have not done much reading :), but I am at the point where he is teaching the techniques and I am trying to work on my visualizations. I leave the book around and it has been talked about and my wife asked a question that I have not read in the book and was wondering if any of you OBEers have experienced it. If you and another go out of body at the same time, can you be in the same "place"? I mean, can you interact out of body?

If I may address this a bit.. Interaction of this type is absolutely possible. The experiences will be interpretive,, meaning that the environment will be of a co-created nature (most astral environments are) and will still be open to limited interpretation, upon return. I have done it on accident, with crystal clear involvement with another. Other times, I have had an OBE with another, who did NOT remember it, upon return. But DID remember it years later!! There is a LOT of that going on, actually. On a good clear night, with a good clear mind,,, YES you can journey together. :)





Hi risveglio, just to add a line to your question, what can happen if your lying next to your love one when you go outa body and they know nothing about it? that's why I do it in the afternoon when we take a nap. Don't want to tag them along and scare the heck out of them!!!! if that's possible. Thank you.


I have never been able to drag someone out of their bodies. (only partially true,, hard to explain) I do not remember bringing a person sleeping next to me, but I do remember bringing my little dog, Ricker... He tags along sometimes. ...

I hope this helps.
jake

Thanks Jake, now can you come and pull me out of my body next time I try? :) I think I am stuck as it feels like my entire body is floating but no pop and I really want to take a break from this place.

[sirdipswitch]

cccccc risveglio??? this may sound silly, but when you feel as though you are loooose... have you thought, to think, about just rolling out??? This does happen alot!! People do get loooose, and then just don't even think, about just "stepin out"!!! Or reachin up to grab that rope and pull yourself out, or a ladder to climb out with, or just roll out onto the floor and then stand up. If yer looose, yer looose, just think... to step out!! And then... say in a very deffinately authoritatively convincing mannor, "I GO NOW, TO MY HIGH SELF"!! And do not stop, nor turn aside... untill you are there. The very first thing to discuss with your HS, is your back to body command, and your out of body command, so that you will be able to go "talk" with IT, anytime YOU wish.

It ain't "koesher" to have someone else "help" you out. If yer HS wants you out... IT, will pull you out...

AND... remember that sense of humor. Yer HS is probly havin a ball playin with you, floatin around inside yer body, and all you gotta do is roll out. ccc.

[soleil]

AND... remember that sense of humor. Yer HS is probly havin a ball playin with you, floatin around inside yer body, and all you gotta do is roll out. ccc.

that is my biggest challenge...and im knee deep working with my(HS)self
the hardest thing is innately remembering how easy it was.

crap! or 'doh!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Spontaneous partial OOBE,

An interesting experience last night, now how or where do I start, at the beginning I suppose, its not much of a story for you more experienced member with more frequent flyer miles then I could ever dream of but here it goes, a short story and my first for me amazing experience.

First a thank you to Sway who provided me with a stack of E books and I never properly thanked her to my embarrassment so I just did just that.

Ok, eeeh, how to begin, well, I was feeling very relaxed last night, unusually relaxed if may say so for no reason what so ever, this is kind of odd actually since I am sick at home at the moment ( small burnout), I went to bed early ( for me) and did my usual tossing and turning to find the right spot on my pillow to rest my head so I could relax and doze of, I can not recall falling asleep but I do recall the usual "stabbing sensations, or pulling or tugging sensations" in my back slightly below my shoulder blades and as usual this annoyed the crap out of me as it makes me jump a feet up in the air laying down "that what it feels like" my ex used to tell me she didn't notice it at all but to me it feel like being picked up and slam onto the bed again.

I finally ignored the feeling and apparently had fallen asleep, then I opened my eyes again for some reason and noticed I was completely silent inside and I had the feeling I needed to turn over and lay on my back, as soon as I did that I sighed in the strangest way out of nowhere from my plexus area , a very loud noise in my ears ( buzzing, humming, like hearing your blood flow through a seashell but really thunderous loud) and could feel how my legs slid out of my body and floated upward, it did not scare me, it was unexpected and after that weird sigh I wasn't surprised about anything to be honest, this was something very unusual, I knew at least that much so I let it take its course as far as I could, well that didn't happen as expected but I started playing with it a bit, I relaxed and the buzzing commenced and my legs went out again, I pulled back and started the same exercise again for some time ( don't know how long), just d!cking along I thought, this is something new and exiting lets play for a while and see if I can make this happen, I started to relax again and noticed I could not get out completely, my legs were out my head was out, my arms were out but my back and chest weren't and I could make this happen, my back was as glued to the bed, I tried a few more time and concluded it was some sort of blockage that kept me stuck to the bed, then I fell asleep again and now the even better part starts, while sleeping I could feels two hands around my ankles lifting my legs out of my body, not harsh but, firm warm hands making a steady effort to help me out, while I noticed this feeling I felt the urge to look beside me, beside me stood a young, tall well build muscular butt naked man, a tattooed body, half long hair, and for some reason I noticed he was hung like a donkey ( seriously, a blunt object large enough to beat the crap out of street thug) anyway, I burst out laughing when I noticed that and he grinned somewhat sheepishly and shrugged his shoulders if saying ( hey man, dong happens), anyway, we got passed that pretty quick apparently and with a serious expression on his face he reached down with his arm and I understood I should hold on to it, so we had a firm grip on each others wrists and lower arms and he tried to pull me up, but my back weighed like a hundred tons and was totally stuck to the bed, he disappeared. Somewhat later I could feel my body relax again and the noise started again too, and I got intentionally back into the relaxation part of the game and could feel the hands again around my ankles as if helping my climb out of my meat suit, and it didn't work again, I lost focus, and out of nowhere someone whistled on his fingers as to grab my attention and focus my mind on the task at hand again, but no such luck, I was done for this exercise and fell asleep again, but these images have stuck, I will not forget them.

So far, my first weird funny, odd experience and a first glance at my personal assistant from whoknowswhere for whoknowswhat, thank you dude, I am glad you did not scare me, you have a badass whistle too, you have probably tried to help me out for a long long time now and I don't know what changed, but it was an experience to remember.

Thank you, just don't scare the living s**t out me, promise??????

Promise!

Thank you

[shipo]

Healing myself when OOB, Can anyone give me some advice on where to start/look? I was diagnosed 3 weeks back with category 4 cancer of the lungs and liver, I've refused radium or chemo and will only accept being kept pain free and as comfortable as the situation allows. I've accepted my fate and have a completely different outlook then I expected after discovering OBE's early this year....Do we have a use by date that is preselected or can we change our destiny? I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Cheers shipo

[sirdipswitch]

First of all shipo allthough I know in yer condition, it's hard to immagine, is the fact that ya gotta "CHEER UP"!!!

It ain't terminal!!!!!!!!!!!

The simple answer is... OXYGEN kills cancer. Raw Honey, kills cancer!! Apple Cider Vinager, kills cancer. Vitamin "C", kills cancer! They all, super charge your Immune System... and your Immune System ... KILLS cancer. Cemo-therapy... KILLS your immune system.

Positive THINKING, supercharges your Immune System. Plus taking all of the above mentioned items, will kill the cancer and supercharge your immune system to complete the cure.

Epsome-salt baths, are an excellent way get Oxygen, and Magnesium, (which oxegen needs, to get absorbed into your cells)
into your system. Research oxygen and take the best, easiest form you can afford and do. cc. I take Oxy-Cleanse, made by "Earths Bounty", which is Magnesium/Peroxide, in capsul form. Yep! simple!! (Don't know if you can get it down under though, it's a US company.) You should be able to get liquid oxygen drops from your loacl health food store though.

When you get an immeadiate handle on yer cancer in this mannor, by stuffin yer system with everything known to man to kill cancer and supercharge yer immune system, and keep takin all these things for general purpose maintenance, go astral and "Tell" your HS/Source to "Heal you completely, perfectly"! And yer done, no more cancer. ccc. In fact, you don't even need to go astral if you really believe in yer HS/Source, and TELL them to heal you. And then CHEER UP.

OH YA!!! And did I mention... CHEEEEEERRRR UUUUPPP!!!!! Self-pitty-sad... will kill ya. ccc.

OH!!?? And did I mention that RAW HONEY,
will supercharge your immune system??? !!!! ccc.:



Ps: One of the things that really bugs me about posts such as yours, and others like it... YOU HAVE A COMPUTER!!! WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE CANCER??????????????????

Haven't you ever heard this term... "RESEARCH"!!!

Type into google search... CURE CANCER... and then read only NATURAL CURES. There are TONS and TONS of Natural Cures for cancer, in YOUR computer!!!!

YouTube... is full of people talkin about how they CURED their own cancer.

Ayurvedic Healing... cures cancer. (5,000 year old medicine from India!)

The Egyption Army... The Roman Army.. The Greeks... all carried RAW Honey with them to CURE Disease, and Heal their wounds...

Please don't get bent outta shape over this, I ain't tryin to chew yer but, but just wonderin.

Please, it's just like I say at the bottom of every post, if you don't agree... do yer own reseach.

Achieve 24/7s' communion with HS/Source... and anything will be possible for you!!! ANYTHING!!! :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

I'm always talkin possabilities..

Here's a couple o vids for ya of such... ccc

Jumpin?? To save people?? yep! cc.

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Time Travel? Yep, that too! cc

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Yep... possibilities! ccc... :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Spontaneous partial OOBE,

An interesting experience last night, now how or where do I start, at the beginning I suppose, its not much of a story for you more experienced member with more frequent flyer miles then I could ever dream of but here it goes, a short story and my first for me amazing experience.

First a thank you to Sway who provided me with a stack of E books and I never properly thanked her to my embarrassment so I just did just that.

Ok, eeeh, how to begin, well, I was feeling very relaxed last night, unusually relaxed if may say so for no reason what so ever, this is kind of odd actually since I am sick at home at the moment ( small burnout), I went to bed early ( for me) and did my usual tossing and turning to find the right spot on my pillow to rest my head so I could relax and doze of, I can not recall falling asleep but I do recall the usual "stabbing sensations, or pulling or tugging sensations" in my back slightly below my shoulder blades and as usual this annoyed the crap out of me as it makes me jump a feet up in the air laying down "that what it feels like" my ex used to tell me she didn't notice it at all but to me it feel like being picked up and slam onto the bed again.

I finally ignored the feeling and apparently had fallen asleep, then I opened my eyes again for some reason and noticed I was completely silent inside and I had the feeling I needed to turn over and lay on my back, as soon as I did that I sighed in the strangest way out of nowhere from my plexus area , a very loud noise in my ears ( buzzing, humming, like hearing your blood flow through a seashell but really thunderous loud) and could feel how my legs slid out of my body and floated upward, it did not scare me, it was unexpected and after that weird sigh I wasn't surprised about anything to be honest, this was something very unusual, I knew at least that much so I let it take its course as far as I could, well that didn't happen as expected but I started playing with it a bit, I relaxed and the buzzing commenced and my legs went out again, I pulled back and started the same exercise again for some time ( don't know how long), just d!cking along I thought, this is something new and exiting lets play for a while and see if I can make this happen, I started to relax again and noticed I could not get out completely, my legs were out my head was out, my arms were out but my back and chest weren't and I could make this happen, my back was as glued to the bed, I tried a few more time and concluded it was some sort of blockage that kept me stuck to the bed, then I fell asleep again and now the even better part starts, while sleeping I could feels two hands around my ankles lifting my legs out of my body, not harsh but, firm warm hands making a steady effort to help me out, while I noticed this feeling I felt the urge to look beside me, beside me stood a young, tall well build muscular butt naked man, a tattooed body, half long hair, and for some reason I noticed he was hung like a donkey ( seriously, a blunt object large enough to beat the crap out of street thug) anyway, I burst out laughing when I noticed that and he grinned somewhat sheepishly and shrugged his shoulders if saying ( hey man, dong happens), anyway, we got passed that pretty quick apparently and with a serious expression on his face he reached down with his arm and I understood I should hold on to it, so we had a firm grip on each others wrists and lower arms and he tried to pull me up, but my back weighed like a hundred tons and was totally stuck to the bed, he disappeared. Somewhat later I could feel my body relax again and the noise started again too, and I got intentionally back into the relaxation part of the game and could feel the hands again around my ankles as if helping my climb out of my meat suit, and it didn't work again, I lost focus, and out of nowhere someone whistled on his fingers as to grab my attention and focus my mind on the task at hand again, but no such luck, I was done for this exercise and fell asleep again, but these images have stuck, I will not forget them.

So far, my first weird funny, odd experience and a first glance at my personal assistant from whoknowswhere for whoknowswhat, thank you dude, I am glad you did not scare me, you have a badass whistle too, you have probably tried to help me out for a long long time now and I don't know what changed, but it was an experience to remember.

Thank you, just don't scare the living s**t out me, promise??????

Promise!

Thank you


Ain't no way... I would reach out and take "Somethings" hand... if I didnt know who... or "What" it was...

You give it your hand... you give it "permission", over you... hmmmmmm.

Ya might wanna thank yer HS, for NOT lettin it have you... ccc. :wizard:

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Spontaneous partial OOBE,

An interesting experience last night, now how or where do I start, at the beginning I suppose, its not much of a story for you more experienced member with more frequent flyer miles then I could ever dream of but here it goes, a short story and my first for me amazing experience.

First a thank you to Sway who provided me with a stack of E books and I never properly thanked her to my embarrassment so I just did just that.

Ok, eeeh, how to begin, well, I was feeling very relaxed last night, unusually relaxed if may say so for no reason what so ever, this is kind of odd actually since I am sick at home at the moment ( small burnout), I went to bed early ( for me) and did my usual tossing and turning to find the right spot on my pillow to rest my head so I could relax and doze of, I can not recall falling asleep but I do recall the usual "stabbing sensations, or pulling or tugging sensations" in my back slightly below my shoulder blades and as usual this annoyed the crap out of me as it makes me jump a feet up in the air laying down "that what it feels like" my ex used to tell me she didn't notice it at all but to me it feel like being picked up and slam onto the bed again.

I finally ignored the feeling and apparently had fallen asleep, then I opened my eyes again for some reason and noticed I was completely silent inside and I had the feeling I needed to turn over and lay on my back, as soon as I did that I sighed in the strangest way out of nowhere from my plexus area , a very loud noise in my ears ( buzzing, humming, like hearing your blood flow through a seashell but really thunderous loud) and could feel how my legs slid out of my body and floated upward, it did not scare me, it was unexpected and after that weird sigh I wasn't surprised about anything to be honest, this was something very unusual, I knew at least that much so I let it take its course as far as I could, well that didn't happen as expected but I started playing with it a bit, I relaxed and the buzzing commenced and my legs went out again, I pulled back and started the same exercise again for some time ( don't know how long), just d!cking along I thought, this is something new and exiting lets play for a while and see if I can make this happen, I started to relax again and noticed I could not get out completely, my legs were out my head was out, my arms were out but my back and chest weren't and I could make this happen, my back was as glued to the bed, I tried a few more time and concluded it was some sort of blockage that kept me stuck to the bed, then I fell asleep again and now the even better part starts, while sleeping I could feels two hands around my ankles lifting my legs out of my body, not harsh but, firm warm hands making a steady effort to help me out, while I noticed this feeling I felt the urge to look beside me, beside me stood a young, tall well build muscular butt naked man, a tattooed body, half long hair, and for some reason I noticed he was hung like a donkey ( seriously, a blunt object large enough to beat the crap out of street thug) anyway, I burst out laughing when I noticed that and he grinned somewhat sheepishly and shrugged his shoulders if saying ( hey man, dong happens), anyway, we got passed that pretty quick apparently and with a serious expression on his face he reached down with his arm and I understood I should hold on to it, so we had a firm grip on each others wrists and lower arms and he tried to pull me up, but my back weighed like a hundred tons and was totally stuck to the bed, he disappeared. Somewhat later I could feel my body relax again and the noise started again too, and I got intentionally back into the relaxation part of the game and could feel the hands again around my ankles as if helping my climb out of my meat suit, and it didn't work again, I lost focus, and out of nowhere someone whistled on his fingers as to grab my attention and focus my mind on the task at hand again, but no such luck, I was done for this exercise and fell asleep again, but these images have stuck, I will not forget them.

So far, my first weird funny, odd experience and a first glance at my personal assistant from whoknowswhere for whoknowswhat, thank you dude, I am glad you did not scare me, you have a badass whistle too, you have probably tried to help me out for a long long time now and I don't know what changed, but it was an experience to remember.

Thank you, just don't scare the living s**t out me, promise??????

Promise!

Thank you


Ain't no way... I would reach out and take "Somethings" hand... if I didnt know who... or "What" it was...

You give it your hand... you give it "permission", over you... hmmmmmm.

Ya might wanna thank yer HS, for NOT lettin it have you... ccc. :wizard:

Hm, not sure what to make of that SDW, I reach out my hand to people all the time and that does not mean giving them permission over anything automatically imo, perhaps our experiences are different and perhaps I need a hand to get started, you say yourself your HS can even drag you out by your feet, so why not reach out and lend a hand, anyway thanks for your cheerful comment, its appreciated.

I am digging into the book The Phase now, speedy results seem to be guaranteed, and very informative and easy to read, so I'll get back as soon as I have some more results to share.

Ed

[sirdipswitch]

Wasn't talkin about physical life, and takin someones hand as in a handshake, that "We" all do all the time. I was talkin about that thing you saw in the astral, that "offered" its' hand to you. "That" was an astral being, and you had no idea who, or what it was. Trust me, your High Self/Source, will not appear to you as a nakid tatood, long haird man, with a big dong. If that is how you think, you may be awhile getin unstuck from your body.

Fear, insecurity, confusion, will give entities in the astral, power over you, and when you willingly give your hand to one of them, it will own you. This is why we stress to focus on that which you wish to do when you do get out. So that you experience that which you "Intended" to experience. When you just lay there wanting to get out, without focusing on your goal, you could find absolutely anything when you do get out. And "Nothing" "Good", will come into your home, as this thing did, without your permision first. It is your very thinking that attracted whatever it was that "offered" its' hand to you. You need to clean, (clear) you, and your home.

I have discussed all of this previously, and just like re-reading the books, when you aren't sure of something then maybe you need to go back and read that which I have said also, for I have brought a little more to the table than you find in any books. The experts don't like to talk about this part of Astral Projection because it makes people too fearfull to even try. And yes there are many people that made it to the "Nuthouse" that did it wrongly. They don'y like to talk about those either. I never even tried to get out of body untill I heard William Buhlman say we could go to our High Self, and then bought his books to find out how, because I didn't want to be one of those who made it to the nuthouse.

If you have read and "Understand" the books, (both books), and all that I have written on this thread, and the "Adventures Beyond The Body" thread, then you have everything you need to do this safely. Ya I know it's a lot to read! So what????!!!

How bad ya wannit? How "SAFE" ya wannit? If you, (all of you. This is for everyone that reads this) can't "Understand" and use Buhlmans books and that which is written on these two threads, to get out of body and go "Commune' with your High Self/Source, then perhaps you should stop what you are trying, and go sit in class at the Monroe Institute. Or maybe find a good Shaman to help you. ccc.

AND, for those of you too lazy to go back and re-read, and you find yourself floating out of body and something scares you or tries to grab you or whatever, then just call on whoever you are accustomed to praying to and ask for help in protecting you from whatever it is that is attacking you. Call on Source! NOTHIN, wants to tangle with Source!!!...

And "neighbor", this will also work if your strange guy comes back. Just tell Source to make it leave you.

[NoNeedForAName]

Do we have a use by date that is preselected or can we change our destiny?

Shipo,

I personally don't like the word destiny once it sounds as if we should not expect too much of our own lives, which is not true. I'm afraid I cannot give you any reasonable reason why you are suffering with this sickness, but I'm sure it was not meant to you to accept it, by no means! In what concerns just you, you are soverign and, so, can change this situation for better. But mainly because you already know where to look for the right solution: in yourself! Meet with this higher aspect of your being, your High Self, and demand a cure! But look for a "standard" treatment as well! Not necessarily chemo, but any other kind of treatment that you think can give you hope too! Note that it's your physical body that is sick, which means you should treat it from the physical side too. Change your alimentation radically to detoxify your body of all the junk food you are accostumed to eat (including possibly lots of meat) and keep close to you just those people who, as you, truly wish you a cure and believe it's possible! If you can and aren't going to miss it, abandon your job as well to just focus in your treatment. You should fight for a cure with all of your strenght, because it seems to me that retribution in life suffers from inertia. The good side of this is that, once it starts, it suffers from inertia to stop as well. So try everything you can, in honest belief. Then you can reach a cure. I believe it is possible! ;)

[risveglio]

I'm always talkin possabilities..

Here's a couple o vids for ya of such... ccc

Jumpin?? To save people?? yep! cc.

hZHUzHbFkJs


There is actually a bit of a controversy about this video, it appears to either be a promotion for a video game or that is just the cover story. Since this is Avalon, I will go with its the cover story :)
http://www.openminds.tv/teleporting-superhero-alien-or-video-game-character-848/

[sirdipswitch]

I'm always talkin possabilities..

Here's a couple o vids for ya of such... ccc

Jumpin?? To save people?? yep! cc.

hZHUzHbFkJs


There is actually a bit of a controversy about this video, it appears to either be a promotion for a video game or that is just the cover story. Since this is Avalon, I will go with its the cover story :)
http://www.openminds.tv/teleporting-superhero-alien-or-video-game-character-848/


Yep I fully agree, both videos could be and probly are "FAKE"!! Yep!! No matter. I didn't post them as to their authenticity, but simpley to show what is possible for you to achieve, by 24/7 communion with your HS and then returning to your TRUE Spirit Self. When you learn how to "Jump" from pint A to point B, instantly, this is presicely what it looks like. And you can jump with anything than ain't nailed down. Like this girl seems to have done with the guy on the bike, to keep him from getting hit by the truck. Yep!!! Possible!!

Same with guy jumpin around from some place in time, to another place in time. Yep!!! Possible!!!

Why go astral??? Gee I dunno buckwheat??????????????

Source... can do anything, but "I" can do nothing. HS.. is Source, and will do anything for you... when you learn how to ask... properly!

Guess i just wasn't smart enough to know this sh** ain't possible. cccc:wizard:

[youare_God_getoverit!]

I'm always talkin possabilities..


Yep I fully agree, both videos could be and probly are "FAKE"!! Yep!! No matter. I didn't post them as to their authenticity, but simpley to show what is possible for you to achieve, by 24/7 communion with your HS and then returning to your TRUE Spirit Self.

Source... can do anything, but "I" can do nothing. HS.. is Source, and will do anything for you... when you learn how to ask... properly!

Hello

and how do you communicate effectively with your higher self
what do you mean by asking properly?

[sirdipswitch]

youare_GOD_getoverit?

I have... have you? Do you even understand your own name... that you have chosen?

I know that you do not understand that which I have written... or you would not have asked this question.

If you had understood the books, you would not have asked this question.

[soleil]

Spontaneous partial OOBE,

An interesting experience last night, now how or where do I start, at the beginning I suppose, its not much of a story for you more experienced member with more frequent flyer miles then I could ever dream of but here it goes, a short story and my first for me amazing experience.

First a thank you to Sway who provided me with a stack of E books and I never properly thanked her to my embarrassment so I just did just that.

Ok, eeeh, how to begin, well, I was feeling very relaxed last night, unusually relaxed if may say so for no reason what so ever, this is kind of odd actually since I am sick at home at the moment ( small burnout), I went to bed early ( for me) and did my usual tossing and turning to find the right spot on my pillow to rest my head so I could relax and doze of, I can not recall falling asleep but I do recall the usual "stabbing sensations, or pulling or tugging sensations" in my back slightly below my shoulder blades and as usual this annoyed the crap out of me as it makes me jump a feet up in the air laying down "that what it feels like" my ex used to tell me she didn't notice it at all but to me it feel like being picked up and slam onto the bed again.

I finally ignored the feeling and apparently had fallen asleep, then I opened my eyes again for some reason and noticed I was completely silent inside and I had the feeling I needed to turn over and lay on my back, as soon as I did that I sighed in the strangest way out of nowhere from my plexus area , a very loud noise in my ears ( buzzing, humming, like hearing your blood flow through a seashell but really thunderous loud) and could feel how my legs slid out of my body and floated upward, it did not scare me, it was unexpected and after that weird sigh I wasn't surprised about anything to be honest, this was something very unusual, I knew at least that much so I let it take its course as far as I could, well that didn't happen as expected but I started playing with it a bit, I relaxed and the buzzing commenced and my legs went out again, I pulled back and started the same exercise again for some time ( don't know how long), just d!cking along I thought, this is something new and exiting lets play for a while and see if I can make this happen, I started to relax again and noticed I could not get out completely, my legs were out my head was out, my arms were out but my back and chest weren't and I could make this happen, my back was as glued to the bed, I tried a few more time and concluded it was some sort of blockage that kept me stuck to the bed, then I fell asleep again and now the even better part starts, while sleeping I could feels two hands around my ankles lifting my legs out of my body, not harsh but, firm warm hands making a steady effort to help me out, while I noticed this feeling I felt the urge to look beside me, beside me stood a young, tall well build muscular butt naked man, a tattooed body, half long hair, and for some reason I noticed he was hung like a donkey ( seriously, a blunt object large enough to beat the crap out of street thug) anyway, I burst out laughing when I noticed that and he grinned somewhat sheepishly and shrugged his shoulders if saying ( hey man, dong happens), anyway, we got passed that pretty quick apparently and with a serious expression on his face he reached down with his arm and I understood I should hold on to it, so we had a firm grip on each others wrists and lower arms and he tried to pull me up, but my back weighed like a hundred tons and was totally stuck to the bed, he disappeared. Somewhat later I could feel my body relax again and the noise started again too, and I got intentionally back into the relaxation part of the game and could feel the hands again around my ankles as if helping my climb out of my meat suit, and it didn't work again, I lost focus, and out of nowhere someone whistled on his fingers as to grab my attention and focus my mind on the task at hand again, but no such luck, I was done for this exercise and fell asleep again, but these images have stuck, I will not forget them.

So far, my first weird funny, odd experience and a first glance at my personal assistant from whoknowswhere for whoknowswhat, thank you dude, I am glad you did not scare me, you have a badass whistle too, you have probably tried to help me out for a long long time now and I don't know what changed, but it was an experience to remember.

Thank you, just don't scare the living s**t out me, promise??????

Promise!

Thank you


Ain't no way... I would reach out and take "Somethings" hand... if I didnt know who... or "What" it was...

You give it your hand... you give it "permission", over you... hmmmmmm.

Ya might wanna thank yer HS, for NOT lettin it have you... ccc. :wizard:

Hm, not sure what to make of that SDW, I reach out my hand to people all the time and that does not mean giving them permission over anything automatically imo, perhaps our experiences are different and perhaps I need a hand to get started, you say yourself your HS can even drag you out by your feet, so why not reach out and lend a hand, anyway thanks for your cheerful comment, its appreciated.

I am digging into the book The Phase now, speedy results seem to be guaranteed, and very informative and easy to read, so I'll get back as soon as I have some more results to share.

Ed

you'd be surprised how hard it is to wake up and remember not to open your eyes etc. im excited, as i am expecting my last day at (corp sales) work to be next friday, and will be fully able to attempt oobe fulltime, without excuses. :) i'll be making a huge switch and will be working in a spiritual shop in town. :)

[youare_God_getoverit!]

youare_GOD_getoverit?

I have... have you? Do you even understand your own name... that you have chosen?

I know that you do not understand that which I have written... or you would not have asked this question.

If you had understood the books, you would not have asked this question.

I think I have a rough idea of what my username suggests- That we are all powerful, omnipresent etc but came into the limited body 4 some lessons on earth.

Now, I have read abt higher self/soul and since you mention that you know the right way to ask questions to HS, I was interested to know more.
I do try to relay HS data but I get difficulties

[soleil]

youare_GOD_getoverit?

I have... have you? Do you even understand your own name... that you have chosen?

I know that you do not understand that which I have written... or you would not have asked this question.

If you had understood the books, you would not have asked this question.

I think I have a rough idea of what my username suggests- That we are all powerful, omnipresent etc but came into the limited body 4 some lessons on earth.

Now, I have read abt higher self/soul and since you mention that you know the right way to ask questions to HS, I was interested to know more.
I do try to relay HS data but I get difficulties

you could alternatively read this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-OBEs-What-are-they-how-to-make-them-happen-and-where-does-the-Higher-Self-fit-in

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hello

and how do you communicate effectively with your higher self
what do you mean by asking properly?

If more people were asking these questions, or even interested, we would be light years ahead of where we are now.

[meeradas]

Hello

and how do you communicate effectively with your higher self
what do you mean by asking properly?


youare_GOD_getoverit?

I have... have you? Do you even understand your own name... that you have chosen?

I know that you do not understand that which I have written... or you would not have asked this question.

If you had understood the books, you would not have asked this question.

Well, first of all, welcome to our new member!

Sirdip, as it is clear from his question that he hasn't really read much yet of, for instance, your threads...
i say hats off to a sixteen year old to ask it. Can't be early enuff, don'tchathink?!

So, ya_G_goi, don't shy away from Dip barking, or looking for answers to your question - ever!
There's a wealth of info here [not only in the spirit section, but all around] adressing your question,
so browse around freely... though you might get your answer from yourself, in the end.

[sirdipswitch]

My goodness, only 16... does that mean it's a child? Does that mean I should be carefull how I talk to it? As far as I am concerned, if it joins this forum, it is like pulling a chair up to the grown-ups table... and when it does so... it will be treated no less than I would treat a grown-up. Getoverti!!!!

What really irritates me is someone comin in here (no matter how old) and readin one post and then wanting me to explain it all, in one post, when all they need to do, is a little research for themselves, by going back to the beginning and start reading. If it really wanted to know... it could do some research. If it doesn't want to do the research... it doesn't need to be in here.

Everyone wants to do what I do... but no-one... is willing to do what I did.. to achieve it...

For newbies... read only that which "I" have posted on: "Adventures Beyond The Body", thread: "The Secret Of The Soul", thread... read the two books by William Buhlman... and then do as I have told all others on this thread to do.. that they do not wish to do...

AND THAT IS... TURN OFF YOUR COMPTUER!!!! Untill you understand what William Buhlman wrote, and then get out of body and go to your High Self/Source, and achieve 24/7s' Communion, with IT. (I have told how to do so)

Turn it off... do not listen to anyone or read anything else, untill you get it done. PERIOD.PERIOD.PERIOD.

Others will steal your dream, without you even realizing it!!!!!!!!!!

I did not turn my comuter on for 60 days. nothin, zip nodda. notta peep out of it for 6o days. 31 days to go astral, and then another 30 days because I was too buzy with my HS/Source to be listenin to other people tell me it ain't possible to talk to yer HS.

If you can't follow simple instructions... there ain't no point even startin...

REMEMBER... I said SIMPLE... not easy...:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

My goodness, only 16... does that mean it's a child? Does that mean I should be carefull how I talk to it? As far as I am concerned, if it joins this forum, it is like pulling a chair up to the grown-ups table... and when it does so... it will be treated no less than I would treat a grown-up. Getoverti!!!!


Sirdipswitch,

You are more kind, sweet and respectful than any Drill Instructor I ever met as a 17 year old recruit at Parris Island. :kiss3:

Ron

[Shamz]

haha..second that... i know what you are saying and Sirdipswitch knows why I am saying this... I have first hand experience with him...lol
you can't goto him with clean slate... you have to do your homework else you're ignored here ( not punished...physically i mean as in real drill) which for serious enquirer is more than harsh physical punishment... I have been there...believe me....

much love to you all

send me PM I will be more than happy to answer anything I can to help you...
love you all





My goodness, only 16... does that mean it's a child? Does that mean I should be carefull how I talk to it? As far as I am concerned, if it joins this forum, it is like pulling a chair up to the grown-ups table... and when it does so... it will be treated no less than I would treat a grown-up. Getoverti!!!!


Sirdipswitch,

You are more kind, sweet and respectful than any Drill Instructor I ever met as a 17 year old recruit at Parris Island. :kiss3:

Ron

[sirdipswitch]

cccccccccccccccccccccc:wizard:

[risveglio]

Is it possible to be kind of out of body. I was definitely sleeping and felt like i was rising, but it felt like my back was stuck to my stomach. I tried to roll but could not move any part of my body. I heard a voice too, laughing a little and it sounded like it said, "your not ready, keep doing what you are doing". Now I am probably just going insane but thought I would ask. I really have not done much of anything but run in my hampster wheel and yell on avalon, so I don't get the voice, maybe it was just a dream.

[NoNeedForAName]

Is it possible to be kind of out of body. I was definitely sleeping and felt like i was rising, but it felt like my back was stuck to my stomach. I tried to roll but could not move any part of my body. I heard a voice too, laughing a little and it sounded like it said, "your not ready, keep doing what you are doing". Now I am probably just going insane but thought I would ask. I really have not done much of anything but run in my hampster wheel and yell on avalon, so I don't get the voice, maybe it was just a dream.

risveglio,

I had a very similar experience once, but I felt it in a negative way, probably because I was very afraid of the situation.

It can be the case you are not ready, but at least you received an encouraging feedback. So keep (or restart) trying. :)

By the way, I must restart as well. I settled down and unfortunately I did not do any more progress ... :frusty:

[sirdipswitch]

Is it possible to be kind of out of body. I was definitely sleeping and felt like i was rising, but it felt like my back was stuck to my stomach. I tried to roll but could not move any part of my body. I heard a voice too, laughing a little and it sounded like it said, "your not ready, keep doing what you are doing". Now I am probably just going insane but thought I would ask. I really have not done much of anything but run in my hampster wheel and yell on avalon, so I don't get the voice, maybe it was just a dream.

risveglio,

I had a very similar experience once, but I felt it in a negative way, probably because I was very afraid of the situation.

It can be the case you are not ready, but at least you received an encouraging feedback. So keep (or restart) trying. :)

By the way, I must restart as well. I settled down and unfortunately I did not do any more progress ... :frusty:



You guys are doin great, if you would just keep on keepin on, with "Focused" Intention on HS.

[camper]

I think that's my problem, maybe I'm not focusing strong enough. My body is still moving around like crazy. sirdipswitch, I still have a few thoughts popping in when I'm trying to focus, will that keep me from separating from my body? or do you have to keep all other thought completely out of your mind? I feel like I'm floating when my arms are raising up and across my chest but I just can't pop out . Help!!

[camper]

Hi sirdipswitch, One more question if I may. I have never felt any vibrations yet, only movement of my arms and legs, and they move slowly up and down and across back and forth but no vibs yet!!! what should I do?

[sirdipswitch]

Hey Camper!!

Some never feel vibrations. Everyone experiences their own thing. Whatever it may be. Some don't just POP out, and must climb out, pull themselves out with an immaginary rope, and so forth. To maintain focus, try focussing on something. Such as door knob. cc. Hey! whatever works, that you can focus on that you are going to do the very first time you climb out of your body. SEE.. yourself doing it. Know what you are going to do when you get out of body for the very first time. If your arms are free, reach over and grab the side of the couch or bed or whatever you are do it on, and pull yourself the rest of the way out. See yourself doing so, as you focus on that doorknob. Puuuuullll yerself out. Swing yer legs over the bed and stand up!!

NEVER think "if" you can do it. Yer gonna puuuuulll yerself off the couch and walk over and grab that doorknob.ccc

Focus... plan what yer gonna do... then do exactly as you plan.

When yer lyin there with arms and legs in the air, try rockin from side to side, and throw yerself out.ccc.

[camper]

Hi sirdipswitch, when you say if your arms are free reach over and grab the side of the couch, do you mean my physical arms? because that's what is moving, my physical arms and legs. I have never been able to get any part of my energy body out yet. I'm still trying. Thank you for spending so much time with me!!! You are a big part of the reason I came to PA. I have been reading your post for a long time and knew if anybody could help me it would be you, thanks again.

[sirdipswitch]

Hi sirdipswitch, when you say if your arms are free reach over and grab the side of the couch, do you mean my physical arms? because that's what is moving, my physical arms and legs. I have never been able to get any part of my energy body out yet. I'm still trying. Thank you for spending so much time with me!!! You are a big part of the reason I came to PA. I have been reading your post for a long time and knew if anybody could help me it would be you, thanks again.



Though it wa astral arms and legs floating out. cc. Might just try it with physicl arms though, or just keep doin what yer doin.

There really ain't no right way wrong way, everbody's difrnt. ccc. Maybe one a these days yer arms will get to heavy for yer astral arms to pick up. and you'll break free. ccc.

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oops. shoulda been thought

[sirdipswitch]

Page 3... yep... made page 3... 32 days I just sat and watched... (1 day longer than it took me to go Astral, once I finally put my mind to it) just to see if anyone would take me up on my suggestion to turn off the computer to go Astral, by your own reasoning, without the confusion of someone telling you what they think you should be doing. Remember, all you need to go Astral, and achieve 24/7s' communion with YOUR High Self and Return to your TRUE Immortal Spirit Self, is explained very well in William Buhlmans' books. That is "IF" you are capable of understanding it.

Seems the only thing you didn't do for 30 days was visit this thread. ccc.

yep, I can most certainly take a hint. ccc.:wizard:

[risveglio]

I have not given up but have not had much success. I spent every morning for about 10 days but the best I achieved was some vivid dreams. I plan on starting Secret of the Soul soon, hopefully that will help me get out. :)

[powessy]

sirdipswitch here is a study and I implore all of you to read http://www.lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html this site explains many tests performed regarding obe vrs lucid dreams. Read the article and then tell me what type of dreams do you think you are having I have had literally thousands of obes all decending to lucidity perhaps this paper will shed some light on these matters. Their are also two higher dream states but I am still looking for an article to explain them to me. do you know why the obe lucid dream area is so spotty its because there are the ones that can and then all the others. the reason people come here is because they are diffrent, so please be patient and understanding with your brothers and sisters.

[Jake]

sirdipswitch here is a study and I implore all of you to read http://www.lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html this site explains many tests performed regarding obe vrs lucid dreams. Read the article and then tell me what type of dreams do you think you are having I have had literally thousands of obes all decending to lucidity perhaps this paper will shed some light on these matters. Their are also two higher dream states but I am still looking for an article to explain them to me. do you know why the obe lucid dream area is so spotty its because there are the ones that can and then all the others. the reason people come here is because they are diffrent, so please be patient and understanding with your brothers and sisters.

Bravo!! My friend,,, I implore you..... Please begin a discussion so that we can track a bit of your wisdom. I have had thousands of fully conscious OBE's Too.... We have an opportunity, here at Avalon, to show our quality!!!! You have my complete attention, and the attention of folks who are trying to understand ourselves through the OBE...

PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!
Jake.

[sirdipswitch]

sirdipswitch here is a study and I implore all of you to read http://www.lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html this site explains many tests performed regarding obe vrs lucid dreams. Read the article and then tell me what type of dreams do you think you are having I have had literally thousands of obes all decending to lucidity perhaps this paper will shed some light on these matters. Their are also two higher dream states but I am still looking for an article to explain them to me. do you know why the obe lucid dream area is so spotty its because there are the ones that can and then all the others. the reason people come here is because they are diffrent, so please be patient and understanding with your brothers and sisters.


Patient? Understanding? What type of Dreams do I think I'm having? You're joking, right???

I read your artical, written by two people who read a bunch of books by other people and did some "Dream" testing on their own, and then formed an opinion of those other peoples work on a subject that they themselve do not do. At no point in their artical did they mention that which they themsleves, "Experienced" while out of body.

Astral Projection... and Lucid Dreaming... hold NOTHING, in common. NOTHIN...

You wander in here and read one post and tell me to be patient, after I've been here for over a year and half, sayin the very same things over and over. Read William Buhlmans books! And when you can "Undersatnd" them... you will go out of body. As I did. THEN... after becomin experienced with Astral Projection, you can learn how to "Split" your Immortal Spirit Self, from your Astral form. Then you will be able to "jump" to anyplace you wish, and then "pull" your "Pysical" body to where your Spirit is. AND, once you do so, you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt... That, you ain't "****"in dreamin.

I read your artical, now go read my entuire thread if would care to get up to speed on what I do and don't. Hey! Maybe you'll be the very first on this forum, to do the Buhlman method. ccc.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[powessy]

this seem to be the thing around here so many believe because they have read a few books and somehow believe they are experts in this phenomenon, what you say I can achieve with out your help thank you very much. is this information that I provided any less credible then what you have put down on the table I don't think so. You don't get it just because this technique works for you it isn't going to work for others and there are only a few that will ever be like me or you that's just the facts live with it, I have tried to teach others but I just got frustrated like apparently you are. you can play basketball for years but you will never be better then michael jorden regardless of the time he enters into the game so if you think how long you have been here means anything to me your wrong. I have been having obes for as long as I can remember not lucid dreams and not astral projection these are only dreams for me. It sounds as though you still need to read more for you are still only in a dream complex but none the less a dream experience. and as for you sayin the same thing over and over has that gotten you anywhere but made people angry or avoid your post, year and a half WOW. I'm not a nubee to this experience and there is nothing you are going to teach me so as for those that need your help, yea be patient. perhaps you forgot the little phrase that you have on the bottom of you post " this is my journey not yours listen to no-one find your own truth " but yet you post this how funny.

[Bill Ryan]

this seem to be the thing around here so many believe because they have read a few books and somehow believe they are experts in this phenomenon, what you say I can achieve with out your help thank you very much. is this information that I provided any less credible then what you have put down on the table I don't think so. You don't get it just because this technique works for you it isn't going to work for others and there are only a few that will ever be like me or you that's just the facts live with it, I have tried to teach others but I just got frustrated like apparently you are. you can play basketball for years but you will never be better then michael jorden regardless of the time he enters into the game so if you think how long you have been here means anything to me your wrong. I have been having obes for as long as I can remember not lucid dreams and not astral projection these are only dreams for me. It sounds as though you still need to read more for you are still only in a dream complex but none the less a dream experience. and as for you sayin the same thing over and over has that gotten you anywhere but made people angry or avoid your post, year and a half WOW. I'm not a nubee to this experience and there is nothing you are going to teach me so as for those that need your help, yea be patient. perhaps you forgot the little phrase that you have on the bottom of you post " this is my journey not yours listen to no-one find your own truth " but yet you post this how funny.


[Mod hat on]

powessy, I assume you're replying to sirdipswitch, but this wasn't immediately clear to anyone who's not been following the thread. (Please use the REPLY WITH QUOTE button on the bottom right of any post, and then edit that quoted text down if needed to focus on the part you're relying to)
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I don't doubt for a moment that you've experienced many thousands of OBEs. Yet these experiences don't appear to have assisted you in


writing in a way that makes it easy for others to understand. (Please also use paragraphs to break up your posts to make them easier to read -- it really makes a difference!)
spiritual groundedness and balance (you come over sometimes as arrogant and separate from other people, and at the same time you seem obsessed with your differentness)
sharing your experiences in any way that others can understand easily. (I got your PMs, and I confess I could barely understand them.)


This is not an admonition. We're pleased you're here on Avalon -- not only to find answers for yourself, but to assist others in finding their answers. Jake's encouraging post above is important:



sirdipswitch here is a study and I implore all of you to read http://www.lucidity.com/NL32.OBEandLD.html this site explains many tests performed regarding obe vrs lucid dreams. Read the article and then tell me what type of dreams do you think you are having I have had literally thousands of obes all decending to lucidity perhaps this paper will shed some light on these matters. Their are also two higher dream states but I am still looking for an article to explain them to me. do you know why the obe lucid dream area is so spotty its because there are the ones that can and then all the others. the reason people come here is because they are diffrent, so please be patient and understanding with your brothers and sisters.

Bravo!! My friend,,, I implore you..... Please begin a discussion so that we can track a bit of your wisdom. I have had thousands of fully conscious OBE's Too.... We have an opportunity, here at Avalon, to show our quality!!!! You have my complete attention, and the attention of folks who are trying to understand ourselves through the OBE...

PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!
Jake.

I support Jake's request. Please do write more about yourself... but before you hit the POST REPLY button, check what you've written by taking the viewpoint of anyone else who has NOT had your experiences and, standing in their shoes, see if what you have just written is easy to understand.

[powessy]

Thank you Bill Ryan
I am sorry for not being clear, and writing in a way that may seem confusing, and I also apologize for coming off as arrogant. I have lived with this my whole life and I know others have to, but
when I really needed answers there wasn't an internet and it seemed as though nobody could understand, or even wanted to listen. The reason for my shortness is I'm still trying to decide as to whether or not I want help with this.
I did pm you but at that time I was scared of what I was seeing and being told, I should have waited till I had more information, I'm still learning. I am starting to settle down a bit and seek common ground with what I have been
experiencing.

There are allot of people here asking questions, and I found my self jumping in feet first just wanting to help.
I only wish that there were sites like this when I was young, I may have handled things differently in my life.
I found sirdipswitches comments and overall attitude to be poor so I rushed in and spoke to quickly, my heart really goes out to these kids that are just finding there way, it really hurts me inside to have them talked to in this way.
I will try harder to avoid these types of confrontations and I would like to here sirdipswitches experiences to.
Have you ever been on the fence as to whether or not you should help? or just stand by and do nothing, well this is how I feel.

I like puzzles, and when I put a puzzle together, I may have many parts of the puzzle started all over the table,
each small section is as complete as I can get it at the time. The puzzle as a whole is not complete, but the many sections are, I am trying to connect them to quickly trying to see the whole picture
this also is contributing to the fragmented thoughts in my posts, and some excitement. I apologize for this and will try to refrain from this habit in the future.

nice post link number.

[sirdipswitch]

Well my goodness... sure am gettin good at startin a ruckus.. ain't I?? cc.

powessy, since you won't go back and read the rest of my story, all those little ccc's that I put after stuff, are just little chuckles. Cuz I chuckles a lot. Cuz I think y'all is so funny. And cuz I'm really a very happy go lucky sort of people. And everybody else knows from "Followin" my thread, that when I'm chewin on someone it's because I love them so much that I want them to be able, and do that which I do. And to let them know how much I "dislike" them listenin to people tellin them how to interpret their Dreams. And listenin to people tellin them how to negotiate the Astral Realms, cuz the only place I believe in goin in the Astral, is to High Self and Source. Yep! Cuz the Astral is even more controled by the powers that be, than this here physical plane that we 're on. Yep! Is! That's why all them spirit guides and angels are so helpfull to you... it keeps you away from HS/Source and learnin your TRUTH.

ALL the great experts in the OBE community are still wanderin around the Astral tryin to figure it out. Even my mentor, William Buhlman. When he told me through his books how to get to My HS, I became obsessed with gettin to Him, and ONLY Him. AND, that is the only place I went, untill "I" knew who I was, what I am, and ALL that is possible for us to do.

My story has been unfolding on this thread just as it is happening. All of this is as new to me, as it is to you, hearing it. And I'm havin an absolute ball with it. And so are the 23 other people now doing as I do, by following the Buhlman methodology. But... not one (1) of them are on this Forum. Nope! Just people I've met round my hometown, that I gave the name of those two books, and they went and learned how ya do it on their own, "without any help" from me. They all, called me "after" goin astral and hookin up 24/7s' with their HS/Source, and 7 of them are now "jumpin" point A to point B, instantly. Physically. With anything they care to take with them, that ain't bolted down. cccc.

Nope! Don't bother to even ask! We ain't gonna jump to your house for coffee. Source don't come down here and do "tricks" for us, and neither do we. We are just like Source..(cc we are Source) you can believe us... or not. Makes no never mind to us. one way or the other. cc

Also powessy, you might wanna try learnin how to read between the lines, cuz I usually put more between them than on them. ccc. and if you don't know what that means, you might just need a bit more "aging" to join in here.

Oh ya, powessy... your discussion on dreaming, does not belong on this thread. Please open your own thread and discuss it all you want.

Also, I do not write from belief, in what I have learned or what others say, but from knowing... through that which "I" have done "personally". Like standin out beyond the Milky Way, watchin all the Starships goin by on their trade routes. cccc. THEN you'll know ya ain't Dreamin. ccc.:wizard:

[Orph]

Just people I've met round my hometown, that I gave the name of those two books, and they went and learned how ya do it on their own, "without any help" from me. They all, called me "after" goin astral and hookin up 24/7s' with their HS/Source, .....

Must be something in the water where you live 'cause I 'aint gettin' nowhere here! :sarcastic: Not giving up though. It'll just take me a little longer to get there than some of your neighbors. :)

[soleil]

hey you! I've been using the buhlman method (when i can, but that one only) , and ive been having loads of aware dreams..., so i think I'm getting there/somewhere; you oaf! ccccc :D

pwessy, youll come to luv dippity soon enough

[sirdipswitch]

Just people I've met round my hometown, that I gave the name of those two books, and they went and learned how ya do it on their own, "without any help" from me. They all, called me "after" goin astral and hookin up 24/7s' with their HS/Source, .....

Must be something in the water where you live 'cause I 'aint gettin' nowhere here! :sarcastic: Not giving up though. It'll just take me a little longer to get there than some of your neighbors. :)

Perhaps it is my humorous side that you are percieving, and thinking that I am joking when I say to turn off your computer... untill you get it done.

[sirdipswitch]

hey you! I've been using the buhlman method (when i can, but that one only) , and ive been having loads of aware dreams..., so i think I'm getting there/somewhere; you oaf! ccccc :D

pwessy, youll come to luv dippity soon enough

Hey squirt!!! I too still have very aware dreams, but it ain't got nothin to do with astral projection. They don't mean any more to me than watchin a good movie on netflix. ccc.

I don't pick on you much cuz I know your schedual, and am Impressed that you can get time in to try it at all. Your HS knows also and with your persistance in the manner that you "are" attempting, will pay off in the long run. It may just take a little longer, but it will work. The only problem I see you having, is the very same as everyone else on "this" forum. Letting too many people, who don't know how to do what you want to do... "influence" your thinking.

Yep! ccc.:wizard:

[Crystine]

Jake, the middle man feeling is your HS, between you and Source, and the far larger part that you are feeling, is Source. You are now very close to "walking in the your power" , that I keep talking about. Now that you have found Him, keep Him close. Lay down some ground rules for contacting Him, and how you wish to interact with Him. It is YOUR game, and He is there to do as YOU wish. Stand tall my freind, and be the Immortal Spiritual Being, that you are. You do not need to meditate on this. You may now get "ALL" of your questions answered by Him. Do not give Him rest, be a pest, as I am, and He will be there 24/7 for you, for Spirit never sleeps. It is only this human form that needs sleep. And now when He makes you suddenly crack up in laughter, your freinds will think you're nuts, as mine do me. I now just look at them and say that George just told me a funny. They roll their eyes and ignore me. ccccccccc.

Remember me saying to be carefull what you think, for you just may get it? When you told him; "Can I see you again?" Was a "dismissal" statement that said you were done. He left. hmm. Tricky eh?

Also I would like to mention, for all reading this, is that it is not a good idea, to be touching someone, or something else, when you're attempting to do OBEs, (such as your wife, or dog,) as their energy can have great effect on your experience. One night I was settling in to start an OBE, and suddenly got the "vission" of my face in a bowl of dog food, and was instanly wide eyed awake, and wondering what that was about, and then realised that my dog was lying right next to me. ccc. Needless to say I made her go to her bed. cc. Yes I was nice about it, and no she wasn't hungry, there is always food in her bowl.

The sadness you feel is His sadness, because of your absence from doing OBEs. YOU, are His reason for being. There is nothing He would like better, than to "STAY" with you. ALL of our High Selves, go through this very same sadness, from us not recognizing their existance. Be a pest, keep Him close. Give Him a name, and when you call on that name He will be there instantly. And you can talk to Him no matter what you are doing. You will no longer need to go into "Trance", to talk with HIm.

Now, you have choices. I made the choice to find out who I am, where I came from, what I have been doing, and how long I have been doing it. I learned how to explore the Universe, this world, other worlds, and how to go to Hospitals, and Cemetaries, to help stranded Spirits go to higher levels. I now know what I am, and when I walk through the gates of Hell they tremble, for they know what I am also, and they don't dare try to stop me from bringing traped Spirits out with me.

Enjoy my Brother.
And be sure to tell Him: "Take me to Source."


--------------------------

Keep on teaching.

[powessy]

hey you! I've been using the buhlman method (when i can, but that one only) , and ive been having loads of aware dreams..., so i think I'm getting there/somewhere; you oaf! ccccc :D

pwessy, youll come to luv dippity soon enough

Hey squirt!!! I too still have very aware dreams, but it ain't got nothin to do with astral projection. They don't mean any more to me than watchin a good movie on netflix. ccc.

I don't pick on you much cuz I know your schedual, and am Impressed that you can get time in to try it at all. Your HS knows also and with your persistance in the manner that you "are" attempting, will pay off in the long run. It may just take a little longer, but it will work. The only problem I see you having, is the very same as everyone else on "this" forum. Letting too many people, who don't know how to do what you want to do... "influence" your thinking.

Yep! ccc.:wizard:

Sirdipswitch
2 months ago I thought I was going crazy, and maybe I am. this is what I have just gone through http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061172199#post1061172199 all except the greys they have never seemed to bother me.
I used the pendulum to realize my soul, we are quickly getting acquainted and he is trying to teach me patience something that I am on the short of. I will read your bulhman procedure though right now it will do no good as we are going through a transition, I will shed light on this soon, just need to figure out and have the time to start a thread.

[sirdipswitch]

Hey powessy!!

Transition?? I am my own transition!! I make my own rules!! As may you my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!! ccc.

You really need to read this entire thread... it will answer your questions. Then you will know how to procceeed. yep.

[Little Cloud]

Sirdipswitch,

I am trying to understand from others much more experienced than I am... so please forgive me if I sound a bit naive. My thinking is 'as above, so below.' Therefore, is it possible that when we enter the astral plane, we are actually entering a different space, a different world where that other spirits call home and that we are mere visitors? If I were to assume that the answer to this is 'yes', and if I were to assume that balance requires that there be both 'good' and 'evil' forces in such a place, would I be completely incorrect???

[Beren]

There is one fundamental thing that we keep forgetting and that is that this is all a wayshower to us how to get in touch with Creator.

So many times I would see here how sirdipswitch would point out about getting in deep connection with HS thus your own soul thus further on with Creator of life and Love itself.
But we seem as group on this thread stuck with questions about dimensions and astral... that is all important but does not come before the connection with Creator.

When the connection is fully established then all questions will be answered.
Power is there along with holy spirit.

Let us not get sidetracked here. First thing first if we want the true knowledge and experiences.
Else we will stray aside being caught in lower knowledge and its powers...
Main thing is above.
And only Love can open a gateway towards this connection, thus power, thus unity with God.
We cannot cheat our way in.

The ones who do are becoming dark.

[sirdipswitch]

Beren

Thank You my friend, very well stated.:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Welcome Little Cloud!!

Yep!!! Astrals a "difrnt" place. Just as "real", as this here "Physical" place. And even more filled with all sorts of kreepy little Gremlins, than this place. As I keep stating, the Astral is even "more" controlled by Trickery and Deception, than this here Physical Realm. All those nice Spirit Guides and Angels, will "KEEP" you in confusion, for eternity, without you "ever" making it to your High Self. HS/Source, is the "Only" place you need to go. And it is only there, that you will have all of your questions answered as to "Who" and "What" YOU really are.

Had you read my entire thread, you would know this. That is if you understand that which you do read, for there are many on this forum, that cannot seem to understand simple instructions. No-one on this forum, has been able to figure out William Buhlmans methodology, as presented in his two books, (that are discussed on this thread) and go astral by it. And none have even gotten close from the aspect of that which I have placed...

between the lines. ccc. :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[1 flew over]

No-one on this forum, has been able to figure out William Buhlmans methodology, as presented in his two books, (that are discussed on this thread) and go astral by it. And none have even gotten close from the aspect of that which I have placed...

between the lines. ccc. :wizard::wizard::wizard:

Maybe those of us are still missing something. Maybe you could fill in a little bit more between the lines or is that considered cheating?

I have ordered the books and will let you know what works out for me or I will simply become another one of the lost ones on this thread unable to attain escape velocity.:flypig:

I've enjoyed your posts.

Be Well
1 Flew Over

[sirdipswitch]

No-one on this forum, has been able to figure out William Buhlmans methodology, as presented in his two books, (that are discussed on this thread) and go astral by it. And none have even gotten close from the aspect of that which I have placed...

between the lines. ccc. :wizard::wizard::wizard:

Maybe those of us are still missing something. Maybe you could fill in a little bit more between the lines or is that considered cheating?

I have ordered the books and will let you know what works out for me or I will simply become another one of the lost ones on this thread unable to attain escape velocity.:flypig:

I've enjoyed your posts.

Be Well
1 Flew Over


Without a properly vivid immagination, one will have little ability to reason for themselves, nor understand that which I place before them.

I do not post prolifically on Astral Trivia, which would only serve to confuse you further.

YOU my friend, and all of you reading this, are Immortal! What does that mean???

EXACTLY???!!!:wizard:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I have ordered the books and will let you know what works out for me or I will simply become another one of the lost ones on this thread unable to attain escape velocity.:flypig:


Sometimes I wonder if Buhlman's techniques work for everyone. His techniques work sooner for some compared to others. It would be presumptions to think the same methods work for everyone and work the same way, and on the same schedule for all.

There may be other things that influence who reaches "escape velocity" and when. No one has all the answers but many have an opinion concerning what worked (or did not work) for them.

That said, if I were granted one wish, it would be to reach "escape velocity" and consciously connect with my soul, and do so on my command.

[1 flew over]

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Be Well
1 Flew Over

[AwakeInADream]

Man I really took my foot off the gas. Having got out a few times seemed to be enough to take away all my fears and anxieties about death, and even living. Since then everything has stopped (for 3 months). I feel like I have to start all over again from scratch, albeit from a slightly higher platau. Simply enjoying my life again, free from fear has made me too comfortable and somewhat lazy.

I know I'm much closer to HS now, but I really need to find the motivation to push on and find that constant link to HS and find my way to source, but without that big stick they call death to nudge me on, I find it much harder to find the will. I don't want to stop now or all my work will have been for nothing and I'll have to do it all again in the next life.

Someone please give me a big kick in the behind. ccc
:)

[1 flew over]

OK, I'll back off a bit on the gradient, any suggestions on how I may be able to increase my sight on these etheric plains?

Be Well

1 Flew Over

[1 flew over]

Someone please give me a big kick in the behind. ccc
:)


Closest thing I could find:

1 Flew Over :bump2::bump2::bump2::bump2: AwakeInADream

[NoNeedForAName]

Someone please give me a big kick in the behind. ccc

Talk to him. He's a pro. :)

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/DogByte6RER/19920731.gif

[Daphne]

I am really excited to try to learn this. I appreciate the experiences I'm hearing.

[sirdipswitch]

HEY !!! DAPHNE !!!

Wellcome aboard the crazy train. ccc.:wizard:

[Rollo]

Just to let you all know I didn't gave up on trying to go to my HS.
And I see very encouraging results. Apart from having two very short OBE experiences and thanks to my stubbornness I'm more conscious during the dream.
I have as well more clearer visions while meditating or just laying in bed with eyes closed before the sleep. What it means for me is that I'm one or few steps closer to my HS in conscious manner.

Greetings!
Rollo

[Shabd_Mystic]

The Secret Of The Soul, was William Buhlmans second book and I decided that y'all might want a place to discus it. ... This book goes into a bit more how to , in formation, than his first book and if you haven't read it yet, you might wanna pick up a copy, and see if it will answer a few more of your questions.

Somebody likely already posted these links but I have yet to read the entire thread so I apologize if this is a duplicate. For anyone interested in either of the books mentioned they are both available online for free here:

William Buhlman - The Secret Of The Soul (http://library.worldtracker.org/Metaphysics%20&%20Spirituality/William%20Buhlman%20THE%20SECRET%20OF%20THE%20SOUL.pdf)

and ...

William Buhlman - Adventures Beyond The Body (http://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/132.pdf)

[sirdipswitch]

Glad to hear Rollo!! That's all it takes! Don't quit... and KNOW, that you are going.



Shabd_Mystic Nope, you're the first, to put both books in one place.

THANX, muchly! ccc.:wizard:

[risveglio]

Unfortunately nothing new to report but I do have a question for those that have succeeded using the Bulhman books. Which method did you use for your OBE? Did you stick to one method or bounce around? I was trying the chants the other day, felt the vibrations a little but then my I was disturbed.

[sirdipswitch]

Unfortunately nothing new to report but I do have a question for those that have succeeded using the Bulhman books. Which method did you use for your OBE? Did you stick to one method or bounce around? I was trying the chants the other day, felt the vibrations a little but then my I was disturbed.

A little vibration? And you stopped? hmm.

One method or another??

Evidently you haven't read what I've written! cc.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Daphne]

Hi sirdipswiitch thanks for the welcome!! So far I'm loving it here!
Love

[risveglio]

Unfortunately nothing new to report but I do have a question for those that have succeeded using the Bulhman books. Which method did you use for your OBE? Did you stick to one method or bounce around? I was trying the chants the other day, felt the vibrations a little but then my I was disturbed.

A little vibration? And you stopped? hmm.

One method or another??

Evidently you haven't read what I've written! cc.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

Well I was interrupted, didn't just stop. Went to the living room to get away from everyone but then had an unexpected guest (Jehovah Witnesses), that was my last attempt.

I might not be caught up on this thread but I finished the first book and he goes over several methods to get out of body and I was wondering if any of the new OBEs had a specific one that worked. I have been trying visualizations the most and had some success but recently I started trying the chants though my wife thought i was going crazy.

[sirdipswitch]

If you talk out loud, you talk to the universe. Your HS/Source, hears everything you think. Talking quietly to yourself, gets heard by your Hs/Source... and yer wife won't think yer nuts! ccc.

However, when you speak to the universe, you then get the help of the entire universe tellin yer HS/Source, to shut you up. ccc. It does so by giving you what you ask, a bit quicker. ccc.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If you talk out loud, you talk to the universe. Your HS/Source, hears everything you think. Talking quietly to yourself, gets heard by your Hs/Source... and yer wife won't think yer nuts! ccc.

However, when you speak to the universe, you then get the help of the entire universe tellin yer HS/Source, to shut you up. ccc. It does so by giving you what you ask, a bit quicker. ccc.

Sirdipswitch,

I love your answer. :clap2:

Paraphrased "Don't be bashful :embarassed: about irritating the entire universe to get to where you want to be."

Ron

[Sebastion]

I totally agree, one has to be relentless to get results! When results come, hang on to your hat Dorothy, we ain't in Kansas anymore!!!!





If you talk out loud, you talk to the universe. Your HS/Source, hears everything you think. Talking quietly to yourself, gets heard by your Hs/Source... and yer wife won't think yer nuts! ccc.

However, when you speak to the universe, you then get the help of the entire universe tellin yer HS/Source, to shut you up. ccc. It does so by giving you what you ask, a bit quicker. ccc.

Sirdipswitch,

I love your answer. :clap2:

Paraphrased "Don't be bashful :embarassed: about irritating the entire universe to get to where you want to be."

Ron

[sirdipswitch]

ccccc. I definitly isn't in Kansas anymore!! ccc. :wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

My goal was 24/7s' communion with my High Self. It became an obsession. I could think of nothing else. William Buhlman set my course to that goal. He said that if you won't give it at least 30 minutes for 30 days, then what's the point of even starting? So... I settled in for 30 days of concerted effort. After 30 days I was disheartened, especially when I was vibrating so hard, and not even one little piece of me seemed to want to leave my body. Nothin... not even a little finger, would do so much as try to lift out of it's confining physicallity.

30 days!!! I had done my 30 days!! I was starting to not care very much for George.. again.cc. OK George... you think you've had an earfull now... just wait till you've had another 30 days.. and then another 30 days... and then? WHATEVER it takes! 1,000 days??? 2,000 days? I've done it 30 days... it is now "Habit"! My mornning routine. It is now part of who I am, and what I do!! Quit??? YOU are nuts if YOU think I'll quit now, and YOU know it. I dug my heals in and started day 31. I was settling into my routine... gettin comfterble... shook myself back and forth a couple o times... just to try and loosin up a bit.. then screamed "GET ME OUTTA HERE"!!! Then...one big shake and I was suddenly lying on my face, on the floor, laughin cuz I had sort of shook a bit to hard in my eagerness to get something started. I stood up. WEEEELLL, looky ther!!! My body... still layin ther!!! I did it!!! I'm out!! I could think of NOTHIN else, but to raise one fist, like Superman, and "shoot" through the roof, screemin: "I GO TO MY HIGH SELF"

When I got outside into a clear blue sky, there was a vortex lookin thing like an upsidedown tornado with a tube at the little end that dissaeared into space. I figured that was for me and headed into it. Felt like I was sucked up by a vacuum cleaner. cc.

Good ol George still "testin" my perserverance to the limit, gave me a ride across the Universe that seemed to go from one end of it to the other and then back again. And... at NO time did I wonder where I was goin, or what I was doin out there! I knew where I was goin. I was enjoyin the ride at a speed that would make "Einstein" change his formula. ccc. Galaxies were goin by so fast it looked like I would cross the whole universe in a couple of minutes, and I flew around out there for half hour or an hour ? Don't really know, but it was a really long time. Then I broke out into nothing but blackness. Nothin. Not even a speck of light. Then suddenly a speck, that continued to grow. Slowly growing bigger untill all I could see was white. And then I could feel myself slowing, as if I had just put on the brakes. Hard!! And then "splat", I hit what seemed like a big white fluffy cloud and rolled out across it for about 50 feet. I started to chuckle. Well! That! was cool. cc. Then "IT" apeared. A powerfully pulsating orb of bright white light a little taller then me. I started to think if I should introduce myself, cc, and then IT moved... instantly... to merge with me... and I "KNEW" I had found George. IT moved away, just as swiftly, and then started to dim, untill finally IT dimmed all the way down to the point that IT took on shape, untill IT looked just like me, standing there looking at myself in a full length mirror. He said: "Well... you finally made it." I said: "I will not go back to my body, untill "I" give the command... "back to my body, or 3 hours, whichever comes first." Now looking at me rather driely, He said: "Anything else?" I said : "Yes, when want to do this again, I will just say: "Separate Now", and be out of body instantly, so that I can come back here and talk with You further." He said: "Anything more?" chuckling I said: "I now go to Source".

Gone... outta there like a bullit.cc. Rolled out in front of Source in the very same mannor as I did with George. This time the Orb was bigger. More powerfull, and did not change into me,

After Source, I went home to think about it all. ccc. As soon as I got home, and snuggled into my body again, chuckling to myself said: "Seperate Now!". ccc. I didn't even have to think about it, and I was again standing in front of George!!!

He really looked at me rather driely and said: "What now?" I said : "Just checkin." and then just looked at Him. We both stood there for a few seconds and then at the very same time just cracked up and started laughin. Been a fun ride ever since.

If I had it all to do over again? Knowing what I know now? I would gladly do my morning "ritual" for a thousand days. or as many as it would take.

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sirdipswitch

OK back to my practice.

Great story Buy the way.

1 Flew Over

[powessy]

Posting this as a general message to who ever gives a ****.

I have never read a book on astral projections nor have I ever read anything on obes, I just have them. I never had to try hard, or perform some exotic ritual to get results. My experiences prior to powessy were no different then what Sirdipswitch describes his experiences were with George but this was from the beginning, I just didn't give him a name. I am so confused the more I read, the more messed up all this stuff is to me. Everyone here including Sirdipswitch refer to obes in a different context then I am experiencing, I think the problem is the terminology being used. I think the problem here is that I view your astral experiences as just a good old dream, these experiences are fun but never what I want they are just a side effect of my obe. I have been in so many strange places, places that I have never seen before, alien perhaps and familiar but this is not an obe, I don't care what anyone says. IF I can have nightly astral projections such as the ones sirdipswitch speaks of, then why is it they mean nothing to me it is the obe that I thrive for, or perhaps a new name for this is in order.

My sight comes from within, in a place that perhaps, I can only see, something that has been there since I was a child, it is in this place that powessy has always stood watching over me. So as a kid there was me, then little me as my higher self then who is powessy and why can I see him under my skin? and why didn't little me avoid him? instead they fused together. Perhaps it's medication time for me.


So now powessy enters into the picture, who or what am I now. I was fine before just knowing powessy was there, but why has he come.

[NoNeedForAName]

So now powessy enters into the picture, who or what am I now. I was fine before just knowing powessy was there, but why has he come.

Hi powessy.

I'm quite unexperienced in the subject of obes but I have to say you sound a lot confused to me. If I were you, I wouldn't trust this 'powessy' inside of you. I didn't read all of your posts, but its behaviour is so strange... It seems to me it wants you to became isolated by thinking you are far more experienced than many here or that you experience something that anyone else does! Can it lead you to Source? If not or if the 'Source' this 'powessy' presents you cannot answer your most inner questions satisfactorily, including, maybe, the ones you are asking here, you should start to think to get rid of it! Just my opinion!

[sirdipswitch]

George has told me that I got what I needed, as I needed it.

Yours will give you as you need it.

Terminology are very important to this conversation, and we all use different forms of it.

One such case is Spirit... and Soul. We hear them all the time and they seem interchangeable dependin on who is using them.

Everything has soul. even a rock. Soul... is Source. Soul/Source, is the very life "Force" within all things. Even the very tiniest little piece way down inside of an atom, to the very "empty-ness" of space.

Spirit, is an entirely different matter. Spirit, is a living being. A living piece of Source. An outpost of Source. Created by Source, to experience the Physical. Spirit... is the Five Senses... of Source. Some souls, have been endowed with that Spirit, for Source to experience the absolute myriad possibilities, of the Phyisical. We Humans... have that Spirit. (some of us anyway. the clones don't. cc)

After going astral I was confused, that sometimes I would see that silver cord attached between me and my body, and sometimes not. hmm. When I started doing "Mind Split", by going astral and then turing around to "wake up" my body and talk to it, there would be no silver cord. hmm. I then started to go farther from my body to see how far away I could get and still remain in contact with it. I went outside, and just kept "practicing", untill there didn't seem to be any limit to how far I could separate from it and still remain in contact with it. Curious! I went back to body and then projected Astrally, and there was my silver cord. hmm. I then thought to seperate from my Astral form, and moved out of it. I was standing there looking at my Astral form with no cord between us, and said we seem to be two seperate beings, and it agreed. George said : "you sure take a long time figurin stuff out."

And the rest, as they say: "Is history". ccc.:wizard:

[powessy]

So now powessy enters into the picture, who or what am I now. I was fine before just knowing powessy was there, but why has he come.

Hi powessy.

I'm quite unexperienced in the subject of obes but I have to say you sound a lot confused to me. If I were you, I wouldn't trust this 'powessy' inside of you. I didn't read all of your posts, but its behaviour is so strange... It seems to me it wants you to became isolated by thinking you are far more experienced than many here or that you experience something that anyone else does! Can it lead you to Source? If not or if the 'Source' this 'powessy' presents you cannot answer your most inner questions satisfactorily, including, maybe, the ones you are asking here, you should start to think to get rid of it! Just my opinion!

Hello NoNeedForAName
First of all powessy has told me and shown me allot of things. I am not of your source and he is answering all of my questions. My experiences though are different then almost all of the people I have researched. Prior to powessy ascending into me, I saw a large white light behind me it had tentacles that shot into me then I saw all of my blood veins in my body turn white with light, this was not a dream it was in my minds eye, something that has been with me my entire life. My angel told me he would allow me to obe and when I did, I flew outwards and then stopped and when I did my entire body lit up, I was no longer a fuzzy mixture of dots. When I look into the air it looks allot like static on a television but the dots are more spread out.
recently these dots have started to take on some irregular shapes just briefly though, Powessy told me that it wasn't necessary to talk about these things, for all will be told in the future. I was shaken by what I was told and shown and felt, that is why I have reached outwards looking for balance to these things, searching for truth. When I speak to souls they can see me on that side, this is due to the change in my vibrations. I can feel them touching me only if I request them to, their motions are several times slower then ours. I have made it a rule that no one can touch me unless he approves of it, so now when I feel this I know there is someone there that I must speak to.

Sirdipswitch

Powessy has told me that he will teach me the things I need to know when I need to know them, this you are correct. I have spoken to your source she is the reason I have cried so much over the last few months, I also feel her pain through out my body. Powessy is not of here he does not look human but is shaped like man. I woke up this morning and I realized something, when I obe the vibrations begin and then I am free but this wasn't always. When I started to obe in the beginning I would just rise upwards towards the ceiling this went on for a long time, I would snap back and astral project. I then started to imagine myself as a small bird or animal this allowed me to move. When I got older there were other things in the room with me almost all the time. If I just maintained a frozen state elevated in the air I could maintain this for what seemed like forever, but as I started to move around it wouldn't last as long. I think I now understand why everyone has had different experiences. Don't take this the wrong way but I think it has to do with the way people are taught to obe. When a person has an experience they come to a site like this for understanding and the excitement to have more. So when I start to vibrate and start to lift upwards I learned to maintain this state of obe. Now instead of astral projecting I would open my eyes and look around, and when I was finished I would astral project. I have done this so often I have gotten very fast and agile in this place, this place occurs for only a second for almost everyone because they start looking for a rope or rolling out, these methods are just snapping them back into their bodies without them even knowing it, trust me I know. It is this place before astral projection that is the real around us and the universe, the astral is just a very realistic dream. If people were having a real obe they would feel the absolute difference between it and a astral projection. I strive for the feeling of obe 10 to 1 over the astral, I enjoy a good astral projection but it has no comparison to obe.

I never had a cord that I could see but if I got to far away I sure got pulled back in a hurry. Someone told me that i was only staying in the familiar and safe well I have yet to get hurt in the astral but have been pulled yanked and hit in the obe by things I have never seen in the astral, safe I don't think so.

What I suggest not to you but to anyone reading this, next time you are floating above your bed and body just open your EYES try to maintain where you are for as long as you can maintain it, don't fight it, don't relax and fall into the dream world, stay focused on where you are. After you have done this and you are not afraid anymore(paralysis or just noises around you) then start to move yourself around by imagining a bird or some swift animal. I learned a little trick early on prior to taking position and that is to briefly take the time to close your eyes prior to your process, realize yourself facing all four directions in your bed slowly working yourself around in your mind till you have made a complete 360 circle, I think this helps allot in the process.

[sirdipswitch]

powessy

You say that you have never read any books on astral projection, or obe, and yet come in here talking like you are an expert, when clearly, you are not. I will not say that you are wrong, because that which you relate, can most certainly be correct, for someone without proper knowledge of how the Astral Realms operate. Had you been following this thread, you would know. If you were to go back and read this thread, you might come to a better understanding, of that which you are experiencing. If you would read the books by William Buhlman, you would know. He addresses the very things that you talk about. I have addressed them many times. The Astral Realms, are instantly though responsive, and YOU my friend are creating a Doozy! ccc.

My Source? She? Pain? You ain't talkin to my HS/Source. Just more of the very same deception that you have bought into.

When you have read both books, and this entire thread, I will address this further.:wizard:

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[powessy]

My goal was 24/7s' communion with my High Self. It became an obsession. I could think of nothing else. William Buhlman set my course to that goal. He said that if you won't give it at least 30 minutes for 30 days, then what's the point of even starting? So... I settled in for 30 days of concerted effort. After 30 days I was disheartened, especially when I was vibrating so hard, and not even one little piece of me seemed to want to leave my body. Nothin... not even a little finger, would do so much as try to lift out of it's confining physicallity.

30 days!!! I had done my 30 days!! I was starting to not care very much for George.. again.cc. OK George... you think you've had an earfull now... just wait till you've had another 30 days.. and then another 30 days... and then? WHATEVER it takes! 1,000 days??? 2,000 days? I've done it 30 days... it is now "Habit"! My mornning routine. It is now part of who I am, and what I do!! Quit??? YOU are nuts if YOU think I'll quit now, and YOU know it. I dug my heals in and started day 31. I was settling into my routine... gettin comfterble... shook myself back and forth a couple o times... just to try and loosin up a bit.. then screamed "GET ME OUTTA HERE"!!! Then...one big shake and I was suddenly lying on my face, on the floor, laughin cuz I had sort of shook a bit to hard in my eagerness to get something started. I stood up. WEEEELLL, looky ther!!! My body... still layin ther!!! I did it!!! I'm out!! I could think of NOTHIN else, but to raise one fist, like Superman, and "shoot" through the roof, screemin: "I GO TO MY HIGH SELF"

When I got outside into a clear blue sky, there was a vortex lookin thing like an upsidedown tornado with a tube at the little end that dissaeared into space. I figured that was for me and headed into it. Felt like I was sucked up by a vacuum cleaner. cc.

Good ol George still "testin" my perserverance to the limit, gave me a ride across the Universe that seemed to go from one end of it to the other and then back again. And... at NO time did I wonder where I was goin, or what I was doin out there! I knew where I was goin. I was enjoyin the ride at a speed that would make "Einstein" change his formula. ccc. Galaxies were goin by so fast it looked like I would cross the whole universe in a couple of minutes, and I flew around out there for half hour or an hour ? Don't really know, but it was a really long time. Then I broke out into nothing but blackness. Nothin. Not even a speck of light. Then suddenly a speck, that continued to grow. Slowly growing bigger untill all I could see was white. And then I could feel myself slowing, as if I had just put on the brakes. Hard!! And then "splat", I hit what seemed like a big white fluffy cloud and rolled out across it for about 50 feet. I started to chuckle. Well! That! was cool. cc. Then "IT" apeared. A powerfully pulsating orb of bright white light a little taller then me. I started to think if I should introduce myself, cc, and then IT moved... instantly... to merge with me... and I "KNEW" I had found George. IT moved away, just as swiftly, and then started to dim, untill finally IT dimmed all the way down to the point that IT took on shape, untill IT looked just like me, standing there looking at myself in a full length mirror. He said: "Well... you finally made it." I said: "I will not go back to my body, untill "I" give the command... "back to my body, or 3 hours, whichever comes first." Now looking at me rather driely, He said: "Anything else?" I said : "Yes, when want to do this again, I will just say: "Separate Now", and be out of body instantly, so that I can come back here and talk with You further." He said: "Anything more?" chuckling I said: "I now go to Source".

Gone... outta there like a bullit.cc. Rolled out in front of Source in the very same mannor as I did with George. This time the Orb was bigger. More powerfull, and did not change into me,

After Source, I went home to think about it all. ccc. As soon as I got home, and snuggled into my body again, chuckling to myself said: "Seperate Now!". ccc. I didn't even have to think about it, and I was again standing in front of George!!!

He really looked at me rather driely and said: "What now?" I said : "Just checkin." and then just looked at Him. We both stood there for a few seconds and then at the very same time just cracked up and started laughin. Been a fun ride ever since.

If I had it all to do over again? Knowing what I know now? I would gladly do my morning "ritual" for a thousand days. or as many as it would take.



Sirdipswitch

Let me explain something to you, firstly I have never stated my expertise in these matters, but if you really want to go there here we go. I have read allot of material regarding the obe but when they start explaining their experience they are talking only about dreaming not obe and this goes for you to. In this post you just learned to exit your body, this was what only four years ago you might have had what at the most 200 or 300 obes . I was 13 when I experienced my first fully conscious obe, I have had them ever since so do the math by ten or twenty. Don't even suggest you or mr Buhlman can teach me anything about this subject. The things on the other side you no nothing of this, other then from maybe George, if George even exists other then in your mind, your experience is a little shady. I have seen many things and have learned the deceit first hand why do you think I told you how to discern your George from anyone else. mr Buhlman's experience was pretty good till he said he walked through the door, the rest sounds like dream to me. Everything you keep babbling on about is only a dream and if George was with you and thought you could handle it he would show you. I have tried to be cautious about my presence here on this forum Powessy told me to stay away but for some reason I just thought I had to be heard, he was right. I am looking for someone he told me not to look for, and thought I might find them here, but you are all babies to this process again he was right. He said one day I will meet your sources chosen ones perhaps he will be correct again. It is not me that is being deceived, I have had many years to play this game but you my friend are all so new to it. If you don't feel her pain then you are the biggest fool here.

[NoNeedForAName]

I am not of your source and he is answering all of my questions.

Hello again powessy.

From your answer to my post I understood you are not interested in to go to Source. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm right, I have to ask you then: in your opinion, what lies beyond that or is more important than that? By Source I understand the root of everything, know or unknown (to everything that is).

I'd like to hear your answer to this question, not 'powessy''s. Its answer doesn't matter to me 'cause I cannot see it as an aspect of Source and I think it dislike us here, since it asks someone privileged in some way to stay away from us, babies, as if you were to throw your pearls to pigs. I wonder why this...

By the way, powessy, it now seems to me that your obes are different than everyone else troubling themselves to describe them here mainly because of intervention with other beings (alien forms, angels, etc). Since you trust some of them, do you know what to do with the ability given by them to you of not just dream of get out of body, but actually get out of body?

I'm not quite fond of this Brazilian author, Paulo Coelho, but in his book, The Pilgrimage, he tells a nice story about how his own master denied him a sword that was proof of his mastery in the magick arts and, because of this, he had to go on a journey to discover his own reasons to deserve it, to, just then, owns it. I think this follow the same lines as

"George has told me that I got what I needed, as I needed it."

or

"Powessy has told me that he will teach me the things I need to know when I need to know them".

A final question, if you allow me: where does 'powessy' stand between you and Source (or between you and your substitute to Source)?

I thank you in advance for your answers.

[powessy]

I am not of your source and he is answering all of my questions.

Hello again powessy.

From your answer to my post I understood you are not interested in to go to Source. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm right, I have to ask you then: in your opinion, what lies beyond that or is more important than that? By Source I understand the root of everything, know or unknown (to everything that is).

I'd like to hear your answer to this question, not 'powessy''s. Its answer doesn't matter to me 'cause I cannot see it as an aspect of Source and I think it dislike us here, since it asks someone privileged in some way to stay away from us, babies, as if you were to throw your pearls to pigs. I wonder why this...

By the way, powessy, it now seems to me that your obes are different than everyone else troubling themselves to describe them here mainly because of intervention with other beings (alien forms, angels, etc). Since you trust some of them, do you know what to do with the ability given by them to you of not just dream of get out of body, but actually get out of body?

I'm not quite fond of this Brazilian author, Paulo Coelho, but in his book, The Pilgrimage, he tells a nice story about how his own master denied him a sword that was proof of his mastery in the magick arts and, because of this, he had to go on a journey to discover his own reasons to deserve it, to, just then, owns it. I think this follow the same lines as

"George has told me that I got what I needed, as I needed it."

or

"Powessy has told me that he will teach me the things I need to know when I need to know them".

A final question, if you allow me: where does 'powessy' stand between you and Source (or between you and your substitute to Source)?

I thank you in advance for your answers.



Hello NoNeedForAName

let me explain this from a different perspective. The earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 13.8 billion years old. life began on earth like it has on many other planets, as life began here your source started to breath life and through her she was able to insure the prosperity of the plants and animals here on earth. After millions of years of evolution the conscious soul was born opening a new era for man and source. Source has helped man and insured his survival against many climatic changes and diversity with limited interference, This is your source. There are millions of sources through out the universe each maintaining balance within their own ecosystems. She is trapped here as you are if you don't evolve above your current standing, the soul has a break down period and if you are unable to reach anther viable planet in that time you will cease to exist, as long as she lives so shall you.

When a person dies their soul is caught by source or her guardians and held till they once again can be reborn. In order for a soul to be reborn it must go through a process that removes all memories of the previous life. Many people say they have memories of past lives this is due to some tragedy for these memories are the hardest to wipe(similar to a fast format, some of the data might still be there). As the number of occupants increase on earth it is harder and harder for her to keep track of all of her children, so some and sometimes many are lost to dark forces, extreme tragedies or large life taking events where many good souls are lost to the dark. She has lost the battle and now is crying for help these cries can be heard across the universe, if you just sit back and listen you can hear it. In more advanced civilizations these races have found eternal peace and once they die they can exist in the after for many many years helping their source and their fellow men until their turn to be reborn. Once the rebirth happens the newborn child is raised to learn the ways of their people and introduced to their higher self without fear( unlike here on earth).

In order for a soul to travel across the universe it must travel to the fifth dimension this is where the bridge is located, the bridge allows instant travel across the universe. Humans at this point in their evolution are unable to withstand the journey through the bridge, you are not evolved enough. This bridge is where Powessy has awaited for me all this time, like I said he has stood on this bridge my whole life, I didn't know why he was there, just that he was there, that was enough. If she dies before man evolves you will not be able to move on to further planets for the distance and radiation and time will destroy all that you are or were no matter how eternal you think you are.

I apoligize for the baby comment it was thrown out by me not powessy. When I started to talk to powessy he told me that something was going to happen but not the details, for they can cause another change in the time line. The first time this happened was 6 years ago when I was attacked by Gabre the Source from the planet Phane.

Powessy told me that no one will be able to obe my definition of obe till April 1st. This is just one of the reasons I have been looking all over the internet to find out if there is any truth to this, but it seems everyone is obeing, but are they. I am troubled by what I have seen and heard this is the other reason for coming here just a little therapy, getting it off my shoulders per sa. When I was meditating I threw a vail over the earth there was one person, and only one with my abilities he was bending and manipulating my vail, he is the one I must try and find. If you are reading this you will have the ability to see in a place no one else can see you will notice a yellow vail surrounding you and what appears to be upside down people erected around you taking on the shape of a upside down "k" please leave me a private message. This person is elderly and perhaps confused so the chances of me finding him is very unlikely, 7 billion people and only 6000 or so members what are the odds of that happening.

In the early times of the universe a civilization arose they were called Slittune they found a way to prolong life indefinitely, immortal to us, they were the first to come across powessy for he is the bridge. Powessy split his self in two and the mother of the slittune took my higher self in and he was born to there people for the first time giving him the same abilities as their people but of flesh. The Slittune are helped by a people named the deltafet an angelic race very high on the evolutionary scale. The Slittune formed their name to indicate a slit in time where they could insert themselves and monitor other worlds having problems. The slittune sleep and then obe in sorts through the bridge taking on a life on a troubled planet. They then tune the planets vibrations and bring change where it is needed. When a Slittune or their body dies they return to their original body's back on Phane. Something happened to me a few years back and I awoke back on Phane on a huge ship where I was looking out from a sleeping pod of sorts, this memory was so real I still question where I am, Roy my angel guide said it had something to do with their dieing sun. Powessy has never hurt me and he to feels the suffering here on earth, earth is a very beautiful and special place.

Powessy has no source and was after the beginning of the universe, Roy says he is 12 billion years old. As for how he will teach me I am uncertain but I am excited for April 1st I think.

I cried so much in the beginning of all this, now things are starting to calm down I can feel him making changes along with my vibrations they seem to keep changing them almost every other day perhaps this is to keep out the unwanted or to let them in I don't no and I am not going to ask anymore till he is ready to show me, for everything becomes guesses and what ifs.

Again I would like to apologize to Sirdipswitch and the other members of this forum, I wanted to make a small impression here, without collision. The one nice thing about this forum is I can unload all this stuff off my chest and perhaps 20 or 30 people will read what I have to say, they will make some rational decision as to whether to believe me or that I must just be some person experiencing some strange event and soon this will all be forgotten as the page flips.

[NoNeedForAName]

powessy, I cannot help but have many more questions. I don't expect you to answer any of them, let alone all of them, but here they are:


"After millions of years of evolution the conscious soul was born opening a new era for man and source."

What is this conscious soul? In what ways does it represent a new era for man and source? Was man and source's evolution limited before its birth?


"This is your source."

What about the source's source? And the source's source's source and so on? To put it simple, my Source is actually the limit of this sequence, although someone can as well define it as the limit of a sequence of sequences or so.


"When a person dies their soul is caught by source or her guardians and held till they once again can be reborn."

What are these guardians? Are they born from source?


"As the number of occupants increase on earth it is harder and harder for her to keep track of all of her children, so some and sometimes many are lost to dark forces, extreme tragedies or large life taking events where many good souls are lost to the dark."

So, source's capabilities are limited and the great number of us can lead it to exhaustion. Therefore, to have many of us here on Earth is a problem in some way... What would be a solution then?


"She has lost the battle and now is crying for help"

Battle against who? The dark forces? What are they in your context?


"The first time this happened was 6 years ago when I was attacked by Gabre the Source from the planet Phane."

Does a source can have such behaviour? If it can, why were you attacked by this source? Don't you bear marks from this battle? As I understand, any source of your definition is a existence more capable than any man. Would I be mistaken to think Gabre would be interested in protect the interests of Phane? But the Slittunes go to Phane after their original bodies and the Slittunes, you said, bring changes to troubled worlds. I can just infere from this that you are an enemy of the Slittunes...


"and I am not going to ask anymore till he is ready to show me, for everything becomes guesses and what ifs."

Sure. But was 'powessy' who was waiting you at the said bridge, right? After all the trouble you must have had to go there, it shouldn't keep you at blank. You should demand more in my opinion.


Maybe the most important of all questions yet without an answer: what are you supposed to do being the only one to obe by your definition? Wait until April, the first? And then, do what? As in the parable I cited, you have a sword, but what to do with it?


Well, I notice also a lot of hierarchy in your writings:

men < higher selves < Earth's source's guardians < Earth's source < conscious soul

Slittunes < deltafets

Slittunes < Gabre (Phane's source)

everything in the universe < 'powessy'

I'm particularly stunned by this, since I was expecting some kind of unification, and by 'powessy''s position as well. Keep me wondering what happens to such an existence when it dies, for it dies you said:

"If she dies before man evolves you will not be able to move on to further planets for the distance and radiation and time will destroy all that you are or were no matter how eternal you think you are."

Maybe there is something more in the universe that 'powessy' doesn't want you to know or doesn't know that exist...

[powessy]

powessy, I cannot help but have many more questions. I don't expect you to answer any of them, let alone all of them, but here they are:


"After millions of years of evolution the conscious soul was born opening a new era for man and source."

What is this conscious soul? In what ways does it represent a new era for man and source? Was man and source's evolution limited before its birth?


"This is your source."

What about the source's source? And the source's source's source and so on? To put it simple, my Source is actually the limit of this sequence, although someone can as well define it as the limit of a sequence of sequences or so.


"When a person dies their soul is caught by source or her guardians and held till they once again can be reborn."

What are these guardians? Are they born from source?


"As the number of occupants increase on earth it is harder and harder for her to keep track of all of her children, so some and sometimes many are lost to dark forces, extreme tragedies or large life taking events where many good souls are lost to the dark."

So, source's capabilities are limited and the great number of us can lead it to exhaustion. Therefore, to have many of us here on Earth is a problem in some way... What would be a solution then?


"She has lost the battle and now is crying for help"

Battle against who? The dark forces? What are they in your context?


"The first time this happened was 6 years ago when I was attacked by Gabre the Source from the planet Phane."

Does a source can have such behaviour? If it can, why were you attacked by this source? Don't you bear marks from this battle? As I understand, any source of your definition is a existence more capable than any man. Would I be mistaken to think Gabre would be interested in protect the interests of Phane? But the Slittunes go to Phane after their original bodies and the Slittunes, you said, bring changes to troubled worlds. I can just infere from this that you are an enemy of the Slittunes...


"and I am not going to ask anymore till he is ready to show me, for everything becomes guesses and what ifs."

Sure. But was 'powessy' who was waiting you at the said bridge, right? After all the trouble you must have had to go there, it shouldn't keep you at blank. You should demand more in my opinion.


Maybe the most important of all questions yet without an answer: what are you supposed to do being the only one to obe by your definition? Wait until April, the first? And then, do what? As in the parable I cited, you have a sword, but what to do with it?


Well, I notice also a lot of hierarchy in your writings:

men < higher selves < Earth's source's guardians < Earth's source < conscious soul

Slittunes < deltafets

Slittunes < Gabre (Phane's source)

everything in the universe < 'powessy'

I'm particularly stunned by this, since I was expecting some kind of unification, and by 'powessy''s position as well. Keep me wondering what happens to such an existence when it dies, for it dies you said:

"If she dies before man evolves you will not be able to move on to further planets for the distance and radiation and time will destroy all that you are or were no matter how eternal you think you are."

Maybe there is something more in the universe that 'powessy' doesn't want you to know or doesn't know that exist...

I will no longer adress answers in this post other then to ansewer these questions you ask if you have further questions I started a post "A journey to my ascension" please go there, I will respect Sirdipswitches post here and not bother him more in the future.


here is the link http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66186-My-journey-to-ascension

The answer to your first question, regarding the consciousness of man and earth. Earth was formed many billions of years after the formation of the universe she and everything you see or know were not even in existence till 4.52 billion years ago. Think about it if earth was the first planet that evolved life then it would be the birthing place of the universe but this is not the case. Those born to her must remain here till a time man has evolved the means to leave, we just are not there yet. My body is of your source but my soul is something different. You source was born as life formed and the energy released slowly over millions of years, so yes she was limited at one time and now she is again fighting a battle that has left her vulnerable. In a world where evolution and source are equal and symbiotic those species can coexist and mature at a higher level. If you think man is at this level then you are mistaken, many believe they have a soul but why should they ever want to in gauge it, this is the problem. To many people have exhausted her abilities to protect and defend man, She has tried to leave messages and bore a son Jesus to deliver her message but this message was twisted and buried by those that speak in her name.

Powessy has not told me how the universe formed he says in time he will share this information with me I hope this happens. Sorry for the sword response it is the best I can do for know.
He says there is not one great source there are many, I hope you are right and one exists but I think that in my life I would have sensed this to be the case, feel and see him and I can feel her.

Gabre was the mother of the Deltafet not the Slittune she attacked to get my attention but as sleeping members of this plaint her cries were mistaken for something else. The planet Phane is dieing along with her and her people she did what she thought was best for her people, I have forgiven her and have made amends with their people for I was so blind. Do you think you could handle all the answers at once everything and still remain sane, just what I have been told so far has left me balancing from one foot to the other for the last two months, you only see my words I see the images as he presents them to me, I am scared.

The April 1st problem is simple if nothing happens then life just goes on, but he is with me, perhaps a new chapter will open and we can then move past this, he says he will remain here with me till the day I die. If on the other hand something does happen, then he says that he has something for me to tell everyone, what a mind trip right we will have to wait and see I guess. You think I'm not sick of this "I am", I am also trying to be patient for he has helped me with many things so far this I trust him for.

I have felt the power and presence of the Slittune If they meant me harm I think they could have hurt me several times over but they hold Powessy in a gentle regard. The mother of the slittune calls herself the mother of light and it is this feeling I sense when she has touched me. I know the feeling of evil and the hate they carry with them" there is no mistaking it", this is so the opposite with them my body is overcome in ease.

I will keep trying to figure this out, but he is determined to only tell me what I can handle kinda like filling a funnel if you fill it to quickly then you have a mess, I will accept his terms.

T

[NoNeedForAName]

I will no longer adress answers in this post other then to ansewer these questions you ask if you have further questions I started a post "A journey to my ascension" please go there, I will respect Sirdipswitches post here and not bother him more in the future.

Thank you powessy for all the responses and the invitation to your thread. I'll pay you a visit there when my spirit wonders more about all of this. I wish you a safe journey through your path of discovering.

[sirdipswitch]

powessy

Thank you and please do take this conversation to your thread, as I do not wish to fill my thread with your misguided beliefs. It is clearly evident to me that you have bought the very deception that rules this world, which I have repeatedly discussed on this thread. Had you read it, you would understand. Maybe!

I will allow that which you have written, to stand here, in the hopes that others will read it and understand further, of the deception that we are all subject to when playing in the Astral Realms, without a 24/7 Communion with HS/Source.

If you post further here, without even bothering to read that which I have written, I will have the MODS remove it.


:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Ah the good ol powers that be, who have been in control of this rock we live on, for thousands of years, also have done great works, in controlling the entire Astral Realms. Yep! Something I keep hinting at, that have hoped you would read between the lines and reason for yourself, the very extent of their "mischieviousness". cc. They "Capture" Souls!! Do They not??? Why would you even think that They would not "disinform" a "person"... through the Astral, to do nothing more than bring "missinformation" to us. All designed to keep the "Sheeple"... under control!!! And to keep us from returning to our High Self/ Source, and our very own Immortal Spirituality!!!

To keep someone wandering in the Astral for their entire life, trying to "figure it out"... IS, mission accomplished!

To keep someone from returning to their HS/Source and their very own Immortal Spirituality! IS, mission accomplished!

To spread disinformation on this forum... IS, mission accomplished!

Reason my friends... your very own ability to "Reason" for yourself... will aid you in your understanding of this... and ALL that You ARE!

READ BETWEEN THE LINES... it is all there for your...

[powessy]

Sirdipswitch
You keep talking about deception it is you my friend that is being deceived. I don't have a religion I never have I don't partake in any outside journalism and I believe in no higher power then myself ever, I have always been this way. As for the evil souls I have no fear of them I have ventured to all the realms and I am left alone none even attempt to come close to me. The astral is your problem, it is there but it is what you make of it but for the most part it is just a dream. I am trying to show you something else and you keep referring back to a dream world, who is teaching deception? Even mr buhlman seems to be caught up in this illusion. I commend your efforts in trying to empower those here during their attempts keeping them from fearing that in which they do not know or even understand.

I have been to the bottom of the astral all the way to the bottom and I have been through each layer I have never been hurt or shaken in these places their is nothing to fear there it is only a astral projection your soul is not even their how do you think you can return so quickly in this place You said you walked into satins chambers I really doubt this but if you want an invitation I am sure I can find a way to arrange it, if he is still there. I don't know what is going on and how all this got so messed up all these books and misguidings.


I have read your post and have read through mr buhlmans effective mindset rules here http://www.astralinfo.org/effective-mindset/
this is elementary but a good place for the beginner to start.

Your post is the secret of the soul but you have yet to tap into it other then through dreams this will not help you on that last day for you will be as vulnerable as everyone else unless you wake up.

[sirdipswitch]

I no longer play in the Astral. As I have stated many times. And why would you keep telling me what I am experiencing, when you have not read the rest?

[powessy]

I no longer play in the Astral. As I have stated many times. And why would you keep telling me what I am experiencing, when you have not read the rest?

I have read through every post in "the secret of the soul" and most of the links and videos I still see nothing here that makes me believe you.

I decided to take some advice though I have built my own astral planes over the years through memories of past times these places remain empty but for me and the elements other wise they are uninhabited. Today I asked powessy to take me to the lower realms to see for myself what was going on. Since I can't obe I started to vibrate and lifted out I looked up and a apparition was floating in front of me he was mostly clear other then a cloud of black electrical smoke of sorts inside of his head I have meet him many times on separate occasions back in the days. He grabbed onto me and took me below to a large town mostly destroyed and leveled by things falling from the sky a friend of mine that died a couple years ago showed up and we were talking then all of a sudden he was hit by this object. There was a large land fissure through the road and buildings across the street where I saw a grey something with a big head. I told him this had to change so he threw a lever of sorts and told me that I would be given all the time I needed. My mind separated to several more locations simultaneously, I became involved in other scenarios with in the same realm where I was twisted between experiences and apparent time distortions I woke shortly after.

I have been so far disconnected from these realms for years they have changed so much who is doing this. I have decided to set my mind on a conquest, I have decided to tear down the astral realms one level at a time I have started a new place one that is only a huge field of grass, and blue slightly cloudy sky leveled for as far as the eye can see here will be the beginning of my finished efforts. I don't know if I can find every place but it is now a mission of mine. I will no longer come here I see we are on different levels but I hope everything comes to fruition for this effort I am seeking to accomplish. If what I say happens there will be a new astral one that we all can build one that can be used for helping others and a clear path to our learning as a group.

I have read everything you have said I think it is possible that you have pressed your experiences to hard and some how bridged the astral with reality I can do as you say and imagine almost everything but the out come is at best 60 to 70 percent accurate I just know how to separate this just my opinion good luck to you sirdipswitch and those on this forum. The moderators can delete my account at their leisure and any posts that I have written, if I am right about this we will all meet in a new place one that we all can understand. Good bye

sirdipswitch you call intuition George and mix it with imagination I simply call it intuition.

[Crystine]

Ah the good ol powers that be, who have been in control of this rock we live on, for thousands of years, also have done great works, in controlling the entire Astral Realms. Yep! Something I keep hinting at, that have hoped you would read between the lines and reason for yourself, the very extent of their "mischieviousness". cc. They "Capture" Souls!! Do They not??? Why would you even think that They would not "disinform" a "person"... through the Astral, to do nothing more than bring "missinformation" to us. All designed to keep the "Sheeple"... under control!!! And to keep us from returning to our High Self/ Source, and our very own Immortal Spirituality!!!

To keep someone wandering in the Astral for their entire life, trying to "figure it out"... IS, mission accomplished!

To keep someone from returning to their HS/Source and their very own Immortal Spirituality! IS, mission accomplished!

To spread disinformation on this forum... IS, mission accomplished!

Reason my friends... your very own ability to "Reason" for yourself... will aid you in your understanding of this... and ALL that You ARE!

READ BETWEEN THE LINES... it is all there for your...

Not easy to do. The ability to decern is absolutely necessary. Somehow we need faith that each of us can properly choose those we can trust. There are so many times I am afraid to say a word. This is not a joking matter. Sometimes that sense of humor is incredibly valuable. But not when our spirits are at risk. I pray that I am looking to source. God. And not illusion.

[sirdipswitch]

We made it!!!!!!!! A whole year past our expiration date!!!

happy new year to all!!!!!!!! :wizard::wizard::wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Seek, and Ye shall find. (Go Astral)

Knock, and the door shall be opened unto you. (High Self)

Ask, and it shall be given. (Not with a question, but a simple statement of fact.)


:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Orph]

I've been seeking my whole adult life. Haven't found anything yet. Been asking too. Haven't been given anything yet. The thing is, you said yourself that you've been talking with your high self all your life. (just not via obe until just a few years ago). Ya' gotta' admit, you were "almost there" to begin with. I haven't had any type of contact with my H/S ever. So I have a long way to go.

But, ... what-the-heck. It is what it is. This is something I have to do myself. Nothing to do but keep on keepin' on. Unfortunately for me, time isn't on my side. But if I do make it obe to my H/S, you Sirdipswitch, are going to "hear" from me. :laugh:

[sirdipswitch]

Hey orph!! Ya sound like me Bud!! cc.

Wuz almost there all my life. But, almost don't get it. Used to meditate too, and had all my shockras spinnin in britely colored splender, lookin like I wuz gonna take off flyin. Had so many evergy bursts that I tought I would explode. But, that's all it was.

I never wanted to go Astral, because of my fear of it. I did not know how to control my experience over the line, or that I even could. And then I heard William Buhlman say that we are Immortal... and nothing can harm us. WOW!!! Talk about major!! THIS was major news to me. My immagination went absolutely stupidly crazily bonkers with all of the ramifications of what that ment.

I could not rest, untill I had "achieved" Astral Projection. For real!! "Anyone" that equates Astral Projection with Dreaming, is NOT doing Astral Projection, and can tell you nothing about it. "Anyone" that has not achieved 24/7 connection and Communion with their High Self, can tell you "Nothing" about it. AND, if you don't connect, you will become trapped in the Astral, trying to figure it out for the rest of your life. Like ALL of the "experts" are doing. As I keep stating, the Astral Realms are even more heavily controlled by the powers that be, than this physical 3d world we live on. And has been so, for as long as this go around with life has been going. When you achieve Communion you will learn this, and how to return to Your True Spirit Self. And you do so, by taking it back. YOU are a Powerfull Immortal Spirit Of The Highest Order. Act like it when you go. If you go on your knees, in humble gratitude, ya won't get nothin. Source loves it, when I come home to Wrestle with Him. ccc. Yep!! Where??? Do you think our sense of competition comes from???!!! EVERyTHING!!! We have, do, say, and are... comes from Source. HE, gives us our POWER, cuz it makes us more fun to play with when we do come home.ccc.

Do you love a good challenge??? Where do you think that comes from???
"E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G"... comes from Source. So, on the flip side, don't think too harshly about the bad guys, they are part of the very same game. And somboddy's gotta do it.

Remember that Rule Book I mentioned a while back??? Play by the rules and it all works out just fine. But, we're just a bit off from the rules at this time, to the bad guys faver, but it's fixable, so Source ain't worryin over it.

When you return to Spirit, you will view everything talked about on this forum... difernt. ccc.


So... right back to what I talk about, mostly. Basics. Read "Willies" two books... turn offf your computer... and don't stop till ya get it done. 24/7's Communuion with HS/Source. DO NOT STOP TO PLAY IN THE ASTRAL... or you WILL be trapped in it forever, thinking that's all there is to Astral Projection. That is NOT the reason for Astral Projection... the reason for Astral Projection is so that we will have a method by which we can return to our True Spirit self, if we learn and choose, to do so. yep! It's in the Book. ccc. TPTB, just don't want us to know it and have been hiding it from us for thousands of years.

Because of the great responsibility that comes with your power don't worry over it, cuz yer HS/Source won't let ya have it, till yer ready. ccc.

Above all else... ENJOY yer Journey!!!! I am!!! ccc.:wizard:

[Shezbeth]

"Anyone" that equates Astral Projection with Dreaming, is NOT doing Astral Projection, and can tell you nothing about it.

This may be consistent with your perception, and you are entitled to your opinion. Conviction does not equate with fact however.

Orph, do not be so critical of your experience. I was Astral Projecting for a long time but didn't realize it because my experience was not consistent with other people's words. ^_~

[sirdipswitch]

Spirit never sleeps. We all astral project every time we go to sleep, whether for the night or just a nap. There is a vast difference in doing so by conscious will. Which will become obvious once you learn the difference.

[Shezbeth]

My experience is that Astral Projection is at one end of the scale of dreams, in the same sense that one is traveling in a car whether one is driver or passenger.

It would not be a misnomer to state that everything is a 'dream'. One could exchange the word with 'experience' and the meaning is intact, though more difficult for another to intuit. Even this 'waking/physical' world is a dream, albeit an aggregate.

That's the problem with words. The person using them may know precisely what they are talking about and are accurately using them, but perhaps someone else has a slightly different perception of those words that is both true and accurate yet carries different connotations.

[sirdipswitch]

After serveral meetings with George, I finally decided that it was time for me to go explore some things that I wanted to explore, when I first thought of learning to go Astral.

Jumped out of body. Shot through the roof. Headed for Giza. Yep, first stop the BIG Pyramid. cc. Flying along it suddenly dawned on me that if I kept going at the speed I was traveling, it would take about three days to get there. cc. I thought of "be-ing" there, and was suddenly about two miles from it. WOW!!! That thing is huge!!! Pictures really don't do it justice!!

I started to go about 50mph towards it. Then about half a mile from it I started to slow and it kept getting harder and harder, like I was flyin into some kind of force field or somethin that wouldn't let me go, and at about 1/4 mile I stoped completely unable to go closer. My "nose" became so cold it felt like it would break off of my face, and suddenly I was back in my body. Bridgett, had her cold nose, right against my nose!! cc. Brigett? At that time, (she has since passed. Yes she's happy where she is now. I do visit her and she, me, and we have good times. But that's a whole nuther story. cc.) I had a Mini-Dachshund,
named Bridgett, and when she wanted to go out to go "Potty", and I was napping, she would wake me, by putting her cold nose against my nose. And I would be instant awake, and take her out. And no, I never "scolded" her for waking me.

Why go Astral? Oh gee I donknow... maybe just fer a few cool things ya can do. Like standin out about 50 Billion miles beyond the Milky Way, watchin all the Starships goin by on their varrious "trade routes". Bunch of them out there. ccc.

Remember kids... WE, are the new kids on the block. This ol universe has been goin round far longer than we have here on this silly ol rock. yep.

Commerce?? yep... can you say Intergallactic??!!:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Just watched this video, or rather, listened to, the interview on this video, of William Buhlman and must say that I totally agree with him.

However, I must also say that I kept wondering throughout the interview, why Buhlman does not seem to advocate going only to HS, as I do. Fact is that none of the expert experiencers do. Just me. I seem to be alone in this. And throught reading two of Buhlmans books and listening to this interview, he doesn't even seem to think about that possiblity. He makes it clear that he knows how to, and goes to HS, but then just keeps exploring the Astral. What to do in case of unanswerable questions?? Go to George. cc. That's my HS for those who haven't read this whole thread.

According to George it goes right back to what we (me and you) keep stating about having our own journey. Yep, and recieving from HS/Source that experience, whch we are ready to recieve. Seems that when we go into the Astral, no matter how one feels about what they would like to do, or experience, even going to HS/Source, we will not even remember to think about going to HS/Source, if we are not ready. Plus, even if we do think about it and ask, if we can't hold onto our train of thought, we may not get all the way there anyhow. And it all depends on our age and experience in both this life, and our Spirit life.

This all comes back to the , Who, What, Why. I know, Who I am, What I am, and Why, I am here. Both on this forum,
and this Rock. ccc.:wizard:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Just watched this video, or rather, listened to, the interview on this video, of William Buhlman and must say that I totally agree with him.

However, I must also say that I kept wondering throughout the interview, why Buhlman does not seem to advocate going only to HS, as I do. Fact is that none of the expert experiencers do. Just me. I seem to be alone in this. And throught reading two of Buhlmans books and listening to this interview, he doesn't even seem to think about that possiblity. He makes it clear that he knows how to, and goes to HS, but then just keeps exploring the Astral. What to do in case of unanswerable questions?? Go to George. cc. That's my HS for those who haven't read this whole thread.

According to George it goes right back to what we (me and you) keep stating about having our own journey. Yep, and recieving from HS/Source that experience, whch we are ready to recieve. Seems that when we go into the Astral, no matter how one feels about what they would like to do, or experience, even going to HS/Source, we will not even remember to think about going to HS/Source, if we are not ready. Plus, even if we do think about it and ask, if we can't hold onto our train of thought, we may not get all the way there anyhow. And it all depends on our age and experience in both this life, and our Spirit life.

This all comes back to the , Who, What, Why. I know, Who I am, What I am, and Why, I am here. Both on this forum,
and this Rock. ccc.:wizard:

Hi Sirdipswitch,

Please post a link to the interview.

Ron

[Orph]

... and recieving from HS/Source that experience, whch we are ready to recieve. Seems that when we go into the Astral, no matter how one feels about what they would like to do, or experience, even going to HS/Source, we will not even remember to think about going to HS/Source, if we are not ready. Plus, even if we do think about it and ask, if we can't hold onto our train of thought, we may not get all the way there anyhow. And it all depends on our age and experience in both this life, and our Spirit life.

See. It's not as easy as ABC 123 after all. Heh heh heh heh. I'm just happy that at least somebody made it. In the meantime, I'll just keep chugging along.

Vaya con dios mi amigo. Happy trails.

[sirdipswitch]

Hey Ron!!!

oops!!! yep yer right! Shoulda put the link up, eh?? duh!! cc. sorry, here tis, it's about his new book, "Adventures In The Afterlife".

Zy1-0wbRJpY

[sirdipswitch]

... and recieving from HS/Source that experience, whch we are ready to recieve. Seems that when we go into the Astral, no matter how one feels about what they would like to do, or experience, even going to HS/Source, we will not even remember to think about going to HS/Source, if we are not ready. Plus, even if we do think about it and ask, if we can't hold onto our train of thought, we may not get all the way there anyhow. And it all depends on our age and experience in both this life, and our Spirit life.

See. It's not as easy as ABC 123 after all. Heh heh heh heh. I'm just happy that at least somebody made it. In the meantime, I'll just keep chugging along.

Vaya con dios mi amigo. Happy trails.


Do ya know what that sentance just did? You just put your very own doubt, in your very own mind. yep. cccc.

It surely is as easy as 1,2,3, but... ya gotta do it as it was originally done, to get the same results. yep. Scientific experment. yep. Remember, "I" turned off my computer, to do as Buhlman did it, so as not to be influenced by any others thinking durring that time. Buhlman did it "without" a computer!!! I did it "without" a computer. I have mentioned this several times now and not one here has tried turning off the computer for as long as it may take to accomplish jumpin outtabody. Nope not one. So... ya ain't doin it exactly... as we did it. yep. nope. ccc.

Only when you get outtabody, will you learn how old you are as Spirit.

This all sortta has to do something with/like Karmic evolution. yep. Well sort of. You see, we all decided what we wanted to accomplish in the physical, before jumpin out of the Spirit world, and we can't go home untill we have done so. THAT's our Karma. yep. we did it to ourselves. AND, I've done mine. Yep! Done. Over. Finished. But... Sometime ago, before even going Astral, I made a Vow, to Source, that I would stay and help my fellow Spirits, for as long as in takes. After going Astral I discovered that Source accepted my Vow, and it seems that now I can't go home untill it's game over. yep! Done. Over. Game finished. End of Time. ccc.

So... I got nothin but time, to sit here helpin you try to figure this thing out and go Astral too. ccc.


AND... I ain't no quiter...


And remember also, you have the experience of my unfolding story. Yep, you been gettin it as it has happened, as I did it, got it, learned it. yep. ccc.

Ain't it just a ton o fun. ccccccccc.:wizard:

[STR]

I have had OBE's since I was a young child. Of course then I did not know what they were. At first it was scary even, but in time I learned to enjoy it. It became quite, unyielding shall we say, and during my teen years I used pot to forget dreams. While at first pot seemed to enhance the experience I found routine use to actually make it difficult to remember my sleeping hours much more than vague glimpses. In time this experience was forgotten until pot left my life and I once again started remembering my dream states. I authored a paper on it in community college once due to how I tied it into altered states. http://estervisions.blogspot.com/

[sirdipswitch]

Hey STR!!!

Enjoyed your "Paper" very much. You quite evidently did your homework very well. It will be interesting to hear what you experience after reading both of William Buhlmans books.

And yep! Welcome to the crazy train. ccc.:wizard:

[sirdipswitch]

Hi All!!!

No I haven't been asleep at the switch. cc. Just sittin here watchin.

Decided to share something with you, that a friend brought to my attention, and goes hand in hand with what I talk about as far as Intention, pertains to your OOBEs'.

A book, by Dr. Tom Chalko: "The Freedom of Choice".

You will find it for free download here:

http://www.thiaoouba.com/

Also on this site and the main reason my friend sent me to this site, is a book (for free also) called: "Thiaoouba Prophecy".
by, Michel Desmarquet. It's about his abduction, and travel, to another world, and the 9 days that he spent there learning about their race, and their involvement in our... "evolution". Even you can't bring yourself to believe his story, it at least, a VERY interesting story.

Betcha can't put them down!!! ccc. I read "Thiaoouba Prophecy", in one "sitting". "Freedom of Choice", in one sitting. I opened both and couldn't quit. ccc. But then I do enjoy a good read, which they both are.

An excerpt from the expanation of Thiaoouba Prphey:

There will be people who will not understand this book at all, even though it is written by a simple man, using a simple language, with examples comprehensible even by kids. There will be also others, who won't even TOUCH this book. Leave them in peace. Maybe they are not yet evolved enough, maybe they don't want to learn how much they don't know. There is no point in encouraging a kindergarten kid to study psychology or physics - a kid is simply not yet ready for it.



Yep! That's about how I look at it... also. cc.

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oops; should been explanation, not expanation. cc. see I an't perfect, either. ccc.

[sirdipswitch]

ccccc. nuther oops, duh... prophecy. cc.

[NoNeedForAName]

Also on this site and the main reason my friend sent me to this site, is a book (for free also) called: "Thiaoouba Prophecy".
by, Michel Desmarquet. It's about his abduction, and travel, to another world, and the 9 days that he spent there learning about their race, and their involvement in our... "evolution". Even you can't bring yourself to believe his story, it at least, a VERY interesting story.

Hello sirdipswitch.

I just read the book Thiaoouba Prophecy that you indicated. I enjoyed the reading, although I have difficulty accepting some parts of the book. But that's not important. If you want, could you elaborate on this particular sentence:

"Each of us shares a Higher Self with 8 other people on Earth."

Do you feel this is right? I have no clue.

[sirdipswitch]

Also on this site and the main reason my friend sent me to this site, is a book (for free also) called: "Thiaoouba Prophecy".
by, Michel Desmarquet. It's about his abduction, and travel, to another world, and the 9 days that he spent there learning about their race, and their involvement in our... "evolution". Even you can't bring yourself to believe his story, it at least, a VERY interesting story.

Hello sirdipswitch.

I just read the book Thiaoouba Prophecy that you indicated. I enjoyed the reading, although I have difficulty accepting some parts of the book. But that's not important. If you want, could you elaborate on this particular sentence:

"Each of us shares a Higher Self with 8 other people on Earth."

Do you feel this is right? I have no clue.


Interesting statement, ian't it? Was wonderin if someone would catch it.

I share 8 other realities with... myself. And yet I am uniquely individual. I am the first... and the last.

When you return to your true Spirit Self. You will come to understanding.

[sirdipswitch]

Do not fear, that which you truly are, acceptance of it,

is required for attainment... :wizard:

[Andrew]

Wonderful talk with William Buhlman, best-selling author, teacher, and leading expert on the subject of out-of-body experiences, presented the keynote address at the 2014 Professional Seminar at The Monroe Institute.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_8aOzT92E

[sirdipswitch]

Andrew. Have you read: "Adventures Beyond The Body", and "The Secret Of The Soul" ??

[Nerge]

Interesting thread indeed, I need to catch up on recent posts. :)

I recall a little while back I awoke one morning to realise that during that night's sleep I had actually remembered to say "I go to my higher self!" while asleep. What followed was a remembrance of sudden speed and flying through, what I can only describe as space, at very high speed.

I remember having an awareness of a presence with me, which I assumed was my higher self and me asking to be shown my origin and then going at high speed again and seeing constellations, nebula's and various other sights rushed by and eventually arriving at some planet or rock field and seeing a small shiny pebble and me asking "what?! You're joiking that's where I came from?!" rofl

I don't know if that was real or a joke or if this was even my HS but it was amusing.
Later in the same period I recall chatting to this other presence but not what the conversation was about and that somehow I got the impression that this presence said or did something that seemed very non 'HS' like - (lol - whatever that is) and it made me question if the experience was real or maybe it had drifted off into a normal dream - I'm not sure. :)

Would you say the subtle hints and intuitive feelings we often receive - acknowledged and listened to or not (lol) - is one way the HS speaks to us?
Can't say I've picked up on direct speak or conversation yet, although I did once get a "Eat more" thought that definitely didn't feel like it came from me, anyone who's experienced that sort of thing knows when it seems to have come from elsewhere and not directly from our waking consciousness :)

So what I remember from earlier in this thread, the top tip is to basically annoy the HS into letting us get in touch more directly by being damned persistent and focusing our energy in this one goal? lol :)

[Andrew]

Andrew. Have you read: "Adventures Beyond The Body", and "The Secret Of The Soul" ??

I have read Adventures beyond the body and partly The Secret of the Soul, I don't have hard copies of them though.

[sirdipswitch]

Way to go Nerge, that certainly can be what it's like. When we have the presence of mind to ask for HS when we do cross the line, that's who we get to talk to. Your desire, intention, in what you wish to do or accomplish with It, will determine your experience with it. And yes, HS/Source, is the biggest joker around. Remember, Source created Humor, also. How about you? Are you of a Humorous nature? Where do you think that comes from. HS/Source will most certainly play games with you. And you could very well have been that Rock, that HS showed you. After all, you didn't say "which" life you wanted to look at. ccc.

Remember, when we cross the line asking for HS, that's who we get. Nothing, can get between you and HS. That's why you must give the command I go To My High Self. That is a personal command for your HS and only Your HS to come to you, and it's against the "Rules" for "Anything" to try to get between you and It. Remember, you are in control and You determine who you talk to. Nothing, can disobey YOU. Even HS/Source. Yep. That's the rules. We are... Source. We get what we command.

I keep saying questions, but if all you do is ask questions, you may not get what you ask for. Commands. Simple commands, is what gets results. A simple statement of fact, as if you already are, or have it. Yep.

I will not go back to my body untill I give the "Command" "Back to my body". Or, a particular time limit. You can get carried away and be gone for days, and if you don't have that "specific, time, worked out with HS/Source, you might just get a surprise. I do, "Back to My body, or 3 hours, whichever comes first".

I use the command Separate Now, to get out of body. Instant out! ANYTIME! And that's exactly what I told HS, that very first time. "I will get out of body Instantly by giving the command, "Separate Now", so that I can return here and talk with you further anytime I wish." He said: "Done. Anything else?" ccc. When back in my body I tried it immediately, and was out again, and only had to think about going to HS and was there. cc. He had a rather smug look on His face and said: "What now?" I said "Just checkin!" And then we both cracked up in laughter. ccc.

Your High Self... is you. YOU are your High Self. Have fun with it.

And... when you cross the line into the astral, you must remember to hold your "Intentions", on the things you wish to do and say to your HS/Source. You must consciously remember why you are going there. You must maintain the presence of mind to control your experience. Or you will just wind up wandering around the astral realms, just like everyone else.

When you say, I go to My High Self, and then take off through the universe, don't get half way and start wondering where you are going. You KNOW where you are going. YOU just gave the command. Now don't stop untill you get there. Standing before YOUR HIGH SELF. NOTHING less. That command is for ALL the way. Not half way. Face to Face. Intentions! Think it, and you shall recieve it!! Talk to It!!! ccc.

Once you connect with It, I promis, your life will change forever.

Imagination, possibilities, desires, what do you wish to ... do?

[Nerge]

Way to go Nerge, that certainly can be what it's like. When we have the presence of mind to ask for HS when we do cross the line, that's who we get to talk to. Your desire, intention, in what you wish to do or accomplish with It, will determine your experience with it. And yes, HS/Source, is the biggest joker around. Remember, Source created Humor, also. How about you? Are you of a Humorous nature? Where do you think that comes from. HS/Source will most certainly play games with you. And you could very well have been that Rock, that HS showed you. After all, you didn't say "which" life you wanted to look at. ccc.

Remember, when we cross the line asking for HS, that's who we get. Nothing, can get between you and HS. That's why you must give the command I go To My High Self. That is a personal command for your HS and only Your HS to come to you, and it's against the "Rules" for "Anything" to try to get between you and It. Remember, you are in control and You determine who you talk to. Nothing, can disobey YOU. Even HS/Source. Yep. That's the rules. We are... Source. We get what we command.

I keep saying questions, but if all you do is ask questions, you may not get what you ask for. Commands. Simple commands, is what gets results. A simple statement of fact, as if you already are, or have it. Yep.

I will not go back to my body untill I give the "Command" "Back to my body". Or, a particular time limit. You can get carried away and be gone for days, and if you don't have that "specific, time, worked out with HS/Source, you might just get a surprise. I do, "Back to My body, or 3 hours, whichever comes first".

I use the command Separate Now, to get out of body. Instant out! ANYTIME! And that's exactly what I told HS, that very first time. "I will get out of body Instantly by giving the command, "Separate Now", so that I can return here and talk with you further anytime I wish." He said: "Done. Anything else?" ccc. When back in my body I tried it immediately, and was out again, and only had to think about going to HS and was there. cc. He had a rather smug look on His face and said: "What now?" I said "Just checkin!" And then we both cracked up in laughter. ccc.

Your High Self... is you. YOU are your High Self. Have fun with it.

And... when you cross the line into the astral, you must remember to hold your "Intentions", on the things you wish to do and say to your HS/Source. You must consciously remember why you are going there. You must maintain the presence of mind to control your experience. Or you will just wind up wandering around the astral realms, just like everyone else.

When you say, I go to My High Self, and then take off through the universe, don't get half way and start wondering where you are going. You KNOW where you are going. YOU just gave the command. Now don't stop untill you get there. Standing before YOUR HIGH SELF. NOTHING less. That command is for ALL the way. Not half way. Face to Face. Intentions! Think it, and you shall recieve it!! Talk to It!!! ccc.

Once you connect with It, I promis, your life will change forever.

Imagination, possibilities, desires, what do you wish to ... do?

I can well imagine it was my HS having fun with me, sounds like something I'd do to poke fun at myself tbh. :)

I get the advice to command rather than ask, although that takes a little getting used to, I'd feel so bossy, hehe, but then again if I'm technically bossing myself around who's going to get offended anyway, certainly not HS for sure, lol - I should pick a name out :)

Good point about intentions, I think that's a huge part of it; just how much does the person want to meet their HS. How much will and energy is being directed to that end? If it's a half-arsed attempt with no strong desire or time invested in achieving that initial connection then no wonder nothing happens.

This is kind of like how our dreams can be affected by our waking interests or actions before we go to bed, and how people train themselves to go lucid and recognise they're dreaming, same principle regarding intention and focus - the trick is sticking with it and maintaining it - something to work on I think! :)

[sirdipswitch]

Hey Nerge, yer right on the money, with each and every point.

Yep, name It, or ask It what It wants you to call it. ccc.

Bossy? Nope. Don't worry about it, HS loves it when we come home knowing who we are. And what we are. And above all, acting the part. But, when you do step into your power, you must then be ready wield it properly, and MUST be very, very carefull in your "Thinking", so not to do harm with it. With great power, comes great "Responsibiliy", to the Extreme!!!!

Presicely why I am so very carefull and don't do "tricks" for people, or try to prove anything I say or do. I just say what needs saying and let it fall where it may. ccc.

Also... it is that very bossy feeling, that keeps everyone from returning to their Power. yep. Seems people just don't have the nerve to walk up to Source and say: "Give me all that I command." As I did... and do. cc.:wizard:

[Rollo]

"I go to my High Self!" - this is the way to go.

kt_8aOzT92E

[sirdipswitch]

Another excellent video from "Willy", eh, Rollo?

And YES, my formal Thank You, to Andrew for posting it here.

Great vid in which he talks about the very things that I talk about on this thread. The man that taught me how to go Astral. The man that taught me that I AM Immortal.

Now... for the rest of the story... and why we, (me and him) seem to defer just a bit. Did you catch the part where he explains the box that he has constructed himself into? That he warns everyone not to do????? ccccccc.

Now I'm just gonna sit back and see if Y'all can figure out his... box. ccc.

Well of course yer gonna have to watch the video.

This video is a perfect example of what I keep saying about reading between the lines, for he says Volumes between his lines, and explains why I do evreything that I am now able to do, that I have discussed on my thread.

IF... you have understanding... you can understand everything that I talk about, through this one video. But then... You have allready "proven" to me... that YOUR, (and this isn't directed to just you Rollo, this is for everyone that reads this thread), Immagination!! YOUR IMMAGINATION...

is no match for mine.:wizard::wizard::wizard:

[HaulinBananas]

The William Buhlman youtube video of his talk at The Monroe Institute was great! His humor and sometimes blunt observations while giving new information was great. This is one of the best OBE talks I've heard. Yet, I guess I missed what you, Sir Dipswitch noticed between the lines. Thinking back, I cannot find the "box" he has put himself into that you allude to. I'll continue to follow this thread and hope someone figures it out. I wasn't going to read his latest book, because it was written as fiction, but apparently he uses a fictional character, at least at the beginning, in order to describe some activities. Based on this talk, and another radio interview I found on Youtube, I'll get the book.

[NoNeedForAName]

Thinking back, I cannot find the "box" he has put himself into that you allude to.

My guess is this "box" refers to Buhlman's decision about the time he will go to his Highest Self. He could do it now but, for his own reasons, he will postpone this until his death. Maybe he doesn't believe or still didn't realize that he can become a "complete being" even in this 3D experience.