SECRET SPACE : NEW INTEL - Project Camelot Blog

[Isserley]

From Kerry's blog:

A CONVERSATION WITH THE WAY ABOVE TOP SECRET NSA WHISTLEBLOWER

The following was sent to me from a Source who is in touch with the NSA Whistleblower. This is way above top secret. The caveat is whether this is an "orchestrated leak" for purposes unknown.

This is the same guy who talked about the Colorado fires being used to camoflage the movement of large equipment.

I cannot confirm or verify the following other than to say that my Source (*D) is fully trusted. Whether he is being used and manipulated I do not know. Regardless this is highly interesting intel that if true (and at least some of the points made have been substantiated by other testimony) then this is real insight into what the Secret Space Program is currently involved in:

* (D) How are you?

* (Z) Not to bad, Considering.

* (D) You've been away for some time.

* (Z) Yes. It was a long trip this time. Very hard on my team, and even harder on my family.

* (D) I thought you retired?

* (Z) Yea, right.

* (D) Can I jump right in?

* (Z) You've never been the shy type.

* (D) Was the jump room required for this assignment ?

* (Z) Your not going to stop with that are you?

* (D) You have to admit, it's pretty amazing stuff to us mere mortals.

* (Z) Wish I'd never seen it.

* (D) So you have used it before?

* (Z) No Comment.

* (D) Can we talk about Mars?

* (Z) Some. Not very much.

* (D) I understand they are evacuating a lot of the surface personnel and sending most of the fleet back here. Is that true? Also, from what I understand they are apparently moving a lot of the bigger hardware, (Computers, Lab equipment and such), much deeper underground below the base. Correct?

* (Z) I'm impressed.

* (D) Is it true?

* (Z) Yes it's true and much much more. Mars is going take the real beating. She will be closest during the passing (Nibiru), but trust me, we'll get ours when the time comes.

* (D) Could you be a bit more specific? Ours?

* (Z) We will be on the other side of the Sun when Nibiru Pivots. Mars will be between Her (Nibiru) and the Sun. I think we can all see the massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage.

* (D) Copy that.

* (Z) In 2013, when we (The Earth) enter her debris field, we will also be Phasing at the entry of the "Rift". No matter how good our targeting systems, our Plasma systems, if the polarity shifts (Multi Dimensional Phasing) or changes, we're pretty much dead in the water. Nothing will Function. It would be like walking out into a hail storm without any clothing on. A rather painful experience. All Models & simulations show a 87 to 91 % probability of this occurring.

* (D) Thus, the extremely deep tunneling system, (Earth, Mars)?

* (Z) Yes, and other precautions.

* (D) Can we talk about the U.S. Military and their instructions within our country during the time of change?

* (Z) No.

* (D) Is it that bad?

* (Z) Yes.

* (D) Is Blue Beam Still on the Boards? Still a consideration?

* (Z) Yes. My team feels it will fail and cause more complications, more distrust within the Military. But there are some who feel it will be very convincing and needed for ultimate control and unification. I cannot express how disappointed I am concerning this decision.

* (D) Do we really have any say in this? Is there anything we can do, to oppose this group, their decisions?

* (Z) Not really. At this point, it would take Global Communication and Agreement. Not possible at our current level.

* (D) May I humbly ask how things got to this point?

* (Z) The technical deception was not realized until it was to late (1950s, early 1960s). The effort to correct the situation is being implemented. It's so complex, it's impossible to explain at this point, but extreme efforts are being made to change our alliance. Many of us have died attempting this.

* (D) I took your advise and took pictures during sunset outside the Denver DIA area. You can clearly see the Phasing Energy System in the sky.

* (Z) Try the Ultra Violet Spectrum System filters in 10 mg exposure. You'll be amazed at what you'll capture! I have to go. I'm sorry I can't say more right now, but we're doing what we can.

* (D) What else can I do?

* (Z) At this point, it's what we're all doing. Trying to help.

* (Z) Take care my friend.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog

[avid]

Noone is commenting - because we can't! More info required!

[Wind]

Seems interesting, but where is the evidence?

Even I could make up stuff like that.

[Ilie Pandia]

Well, I see a lot of words that could mean basically anything. They may be empty words that the reader's mind fills up meaning to make sense of a meaningless story...

Examples:

Nibiru Pivots - what does that mean?

massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

we will also be Phasing at the entry of the "Rift" - more empty words with no clear meaning... What rift what phasing?

No matter how good our targeting systems, our Plasma systems, if the polarity shifts (Multi Dimensional Phasing) or changes, we're pretty much dead in the water - this sounds nasty important and very serious, yet tells us nothing...

The effort to correct the situation is being implemented. It's so complex, it's impossible to explain at this point, but extreme efforts are being made to change our alliance. Many of us have died attempting this. - big words and cause of deep concern over... What?

You can clearly see the Phasing Energy System in the sky - ...

Try the Ultra Violet Spectrum System filters in 10 mg exposure. You'll be amazed at what you'll capture! - this may actually make some sense, I can't tell - even though 10 mg exposure reads as scientific mambo jumbo...

The thing is, I've been looking lately into cold reading and part of that is the art of creating empty text that the mind of the reader will fill in with details from their own experience and belief systems and so it appears to them that something meaningfull and important is being shared.

[Ilie Pandia]

Googling "ultraviolet spectrum system filters" returns no relevant results. This suggests yet another meaningless made up term design to dazzle the reader.

If you read a text and you cannot understand it, chances are that this is so by design. But do try and lookup the terms. Who knows, you may learn something new in the process and the message will make sense.

[TargeT]

Well, I see a lot of words that could mean basically anything. They may be empty words that the reader's mind fills up meaning to make sense of a meaningless story...

Examples:

Nibiru Pivots - what does that mean?

I'd guess it's the point at which the orbit changes from inbound to outbound at the sun? I want to say the fulcrum of the arc, but I don't think that's the correct word use.



massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

I don't think mars would exsist anymore if a "brown dwarf" or what ever it's supose to be contacted mars in any way ("grounded") it's orbit would definately be significantly altered.



we will also be Phasing at the entry of the "Rift" - more empty words with no clear meaning... What rift what phasing?

I'd guess this means the "rift" in the milky way that lets us see to the center? not sure either



No matter how good our targeting systems, our Plasma systems, if the polarity shifts (Multi Dimensional Phasing) or changes, we're pretty much dead in the water - this sounds nasty important and very serious, yet tells us nothing...

I agree, why name spesifics then use "dead in the water" (means nothing to me in this context)



The effort to correct the situation is being implemented. It's so complex, it's impossible to explain at this point, but extreme efforts are being made to change our alliance. Many of us have died attempting this. - big words and cause of deep concern over... What?

You can clearly see the Phasing Energy System in the sky - ...

Try the Ultra Violet Spectrum System filters in 10 mg exposure. You'll be amazed at what you'll capture! - this may actually make some sense, I can't tell - even though 10 mg exposure reads as scientific mambo jumbo...

The thing is, I've been looking lately into cold reading and part of that is the art of creating empty text that the mind of the reader will fill in with details from their own experience and belief systems and so it appears to them that something meaningfull and important is being shared.

so cold reading is kind of like setting up a frame work of vaugness that people can project what they want onto it? interesting...


This whole thing looks like crap to me...

[Bill Ryan]

massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

No, it's not!
:)

[Ilie Pandia]

Thanks TargeT, you wrote a perfect example of how the mind fills up the gaps with correct and real facts, that are not however clearly implied or stated in the text. Someone else's mind would build another story in this framework.

[Selene]

Damn. I wish that conversation didn’t make so much sense to me in its larger context.

I note with some interest that it comes from Kerry carefully wrapped in the sort of elaborate – and sensible - caveats that a lot more material lately on that site ought to have attached to it. And I mean that kindly.

But since this time the message is definitely not warm and fluffy good-news-from-the-alien-wars stuff, it’s human nature to twist and turn uncomfortably when we hear it, hoping – somehow – that it’s wrong or false or a setup. We push it away. We want it to be wrong, for any reason, any excuse. And the caveats come trotting out. We really want to bash this one away.

What if it isn’t wrong?

Wishing and denial won’t change what could be a key piece of intel here. If it is for real then very possibly something extrasolar is inbound and we’re in for some very rough times. This is not good news.

Too many other verifiable signposts are pointing in that same direction as this message: the deep underground bases and preps, the disaster drills and preps for martial law, the winner-take-all financial and ecological endgames, the astronomical tools searching the skies in the southern hemisphere, HAARP, CERN etc. Even the unusual behavior of our own sun, and the earth’s twisting electromagnetic field can be explained by the plasma and electromagnetic effects of introducing another large “planet” into our solar system. The “killshot” EMP that remote viewers have seen could also be induced by this new presence, etc etc. It all just makes too much sense at too many levels.

On the other hand, what benefit might there be to putting this one out as false bait? Anyone?

Regards,

Selene

[Kryztian]

As far as "Nibiru cutting a canyon on Mars" - I took that to mean it's gravitational field triggered seismic activity that changed the surface of the planet. "Nibiru pivots" is probably one end of it's elliptical orbit, when it comes closest to the sun.

It's my understanding the "Nibiru" is a planet, but only comets have "debris fields". Which is it that we are talking about?

FYI, next time Earth and Mars are on opposite sides of the Sun is around April 1st, 2013. The next time after that is around May 15, 2015.http://solarsystem.project-metis.com/

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, I see a lot of words that could mean basically anything. They may be empty words that the reader's mind fills up meaning to make sense of a meaningless story...

Examples:

Nibiru Pivots - what does that mean?

I read into this the point in Nov 2013 when comet C/2012 S1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51269-A-new-comet-or-something-more...............................) is closest to the sun :).

[bodhii71]

Interesting theory.

I took it as electrical discharge, such as described in the electrical universe theory.

That canyon on Mars directly mimics the scarring left by electrical energy as shown in one of their many mini documentaries on YouTube.

A nearby or passing planet was one of the ideas proposed as a cause . It doesn't mean it is true or false.

Heck, they could have used this concept in Kerry's latest update,knowing it would be extrapolated back either to disinform or to give credence to this idea.

I'm sure there would be some kind of upheavals as well.

I cannot say I am buying into this or not. At this stage, there isn't much I can do that has merit or benefit if it is true anyway.

[Selene]

massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

No, it's not!
:)

Just a thought:


I think we can all see the massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage.

“Grounded” here doesn’t necessarily translate as “gouging” or scraping into the Mars via direct contact. It could be electrical.

Mars has an iron core, and a rapidly passing “planet” nearby will cause electromagnetic/plasma effects between the two bodies. If the object “grounded out” by effectively “zapping” a gigantic charge into Mars’ iron core, that could easily have caused a plate rupture on the Martian surface: a giant split-open canyon.

Just a thought.

Cheers,

Selene

[TigaHawk]

From the mind of someone who knows next to diddly squat about science....

Wouldent 1 planet, colliding with another planet, ensure that both planets either go kaboom, or are permnantly "hugging" eachother?

I mean once the gravity of one planet gets close enough to "cut a canyon" into another planet... well, other than nibiru having to be being "pointy" for that as well....... Would it not either, destroy both planets... because they'd be permnantly "hugging" and the force of gravity pulling them together continualy would destroy them?

Or then theres the marble idea?

Nibiru hits mars, kicks it out of orbit, changing both nibiru's orbit and mars's orbit?

[Ilie Pandia]

Most posts here show how no story becomes a compelling story in your mind, even though each one of you got a different story line :)

The trap is to imagine that everybody got the same thing... Or even to think that the original text had any specific meaning apart from: something important is going on somewhere you just have to fill in the gaps :)

[Selene]

Nobody's actually talking about a collision between any two bodies here, Tiga. Just a very, very close (and much too close for comfort!) swing by. That's enough to really, really mess up your day, though.

It's been a popular form of debunking Nibiru theories to throw "collision" misnomers into the argument (and I am not suggesting you are doing this here). But no, collision is not necessary for earth changes.

Cheers,

Selene

[indigopete]

THE WAY ABOVE TOP SECRET NSA WHISTLEBLOWER

Just as well this whistleblower is "WAY ABOVE" top secret, because if they were only "top secret", I wouldn't have bought this.



I have to go.

Well, we sure don't want our saviours missing their inter dimensional bus.



I'm sorry I can't say more right now, but we're doing what we can.

You are a clown.

As such, "doing what you can" is probably limited to the realm of entertainment.

Even so, everything is appreciated.

Good luck !

===

[Mod-edit: I trust, indigopete, that you observation "You are a clown" is addressed to the secret insider "Z", not to fellow forum member Isserley :). I have modified your above post, in an effort to make it more obvious who quoted whom saying what. - Paul. ]

[Poster Reply: Paul - Yes, it was directed at "Z" (Cool name for an inter dimensional) and not at fellow forum member Isserley. Apologies to Isserley as I would not have been so dismissive of a real person, and thanks to yourself for covering my ar*s for me so professionally and diplomatically ! :)]

[ThePythonicCow]

massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

No, it's not!
:)

I'm reading what Bill wrote (which may very well not be at all what he meant) as saying that that canyon on Mars was not cut by interactions with something called Nibiru.

I'd wager that that canyon was cut by massive electromagnetic field interactions with something, however :).

[Referee]

As I remember Bob Dean said Nibiru was coming by and they did not know how bad it would be. This info from what I can see fits in with the more credible info Presented by Bill and Kerry. So before we run off slamming D. take a minute to ponder.

[bluestflame]

canyon from ancient mining operations perhaps ?

[indigopete]

canyon from ancient mining operations perhaps ?

The Canyon is very interesting because it's absolutely huge and must have been caused by something huge.

One interesting explanation is the "Electric Universe" theory which is absolutely incredible in itself.

See:


Thunderbolts.info (http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/)

Red Ice Creations Interviews David Talbot on The Electric Universe (Youtube playlist - four parts) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuFnL2dmA2c&playnext=1&list=PL6E5DBEC7D5124CAF)

Red Ice Radio - Wallace Thornhill - The Electric Universe (Youtube playlist - twelve parts) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyjS8w7Y2f0&playnext=1&list=PLE6D4E1D8C55F10AF)

Pete

[Selene]

Five stars for those links to the Electric Universe theory, IndigoPete. Well worth reading/watching to upgrade your understanding of physics from those of Newton's day.

The Electric Universe is not only "incredible"....it's perfectly credible, too, given all that we now know about the cosmos. It solves a lot of problems.

Cheers,
Selene

[TargeT]

Five stars for those links to the Electric Universe theory, IndigoPete. Well worth reading/watching to upgrade your understanding of physics from those of Newton's day.

The Electric Universe is not only "incredible"....it's perfectly credible, too, given all that we now know about the cosmos. It solves a lot of problems.

Cheers,
Selene

I use that theory to color everything I think I know about space.. it works especially well with comets & explains why planetary alignments are so important (historically & in astrology) it also explains why the sun acts as it does (the corona is much hotter than the surface, which more closely matches an electrical phenomenon)

those are "must watch" films IMO :)

[norman]

I'd wager that that canyon was cut by massive electromagnetic field interactions with something, however :).



I'd wager that the 'canyon' was punched right through directly by a solid object that went in like a golf ball through a porridge skin.

At the opposite side of the planet is an outpouring of puss called Mt Olympus and a vast area of raised land surface that would have been the stuff that burst out the other side due to the 'bullet' shot.

[gripreaper]

I look at this three ways.

First, if this is an extinction level event, the only question then becomes: How much time do I have and how much hookers and blow can I do before it gets here?

Secondly, if it's a hoax, then I'm not buying into any fear mongering, for I recognize fear as the elite's biggest tool of control, and I refuse to allow any more vamping of my energy through fear.

And Thirdly, I've done everything I can to prepare for anomalous events which are out of my control, such as long term food storage, wood heat, warm clothes, and reading material.

The rest is to be an experience for my soul in this lifetime, which I chose to be here at this time.

[modwiz]

I look at this three ways.

First, if this is an extinction level event, the only question then becomes: How much time do I have and how much hookers and blow can I do before it gets here?

Secondly, if it's a hoax, then I'm not buying into any fear mongering, for I recognize fear as the elite's biggest tool of control, and I refuse to allow any more vamping of my energy through fear.

And Thirdly, I've done everything I can to prepare for anomalous events which are out of my control, such as long term food storage, wood heat, warm clothes, and reading material.

The rest is to be an experience for my soul in this lifetime, which I chose to be here for this.

I like the way you think, even though hookers and blow hadn't crossed my mind. Hmm. :pound:

[ghostrider]

according to ptaah, nibiru passed in 1997 along with hale bop, it was on the other side of the sun , we didn't see it. I love the we report, you decide saying. it's really up to the individual to stand on their own truth as they see it, thats true freedom, right or wrong it's still a precious choice. Avalon is one place you can be you without someone beating you over the head when you disagree with someone's theory or truth or opinion. freedom is great.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Damn. I wish that conversation didn’t make so much sense to me in its larger context.

I note with some interest that it comes from Kerry carefully wrapped in the sort of elaborate – and sensible - caveats that a lot more material lately on that site ought to have attached to it. And I mean that kindly.

But since this time the message is definitely not warm and fluffy good-news-from-the-alien-wars stuff, it’s human nature to twist and turn uncomfortably when we hear it, hoping – somehow – that it’s wrong or false or a setup. We push it away. We want it to be wrong, for any reason, any excuse. And the caveats come trotting out. We really want to bash this one away.

What if it isn’t wrong?

Wishing and denial won’t change what could be a key piece of intel here. If it is for real then very possibly something extrasolar is inbound and we’re in for some very rough times. This is not good news.

Too many other verifiable signposts are pointing in that same direction as this message: the deep underground bases and preps, the disaster drills and preps for martial law, the winner-take-all financial and ecological endgames, the astronomical tools searching the skies in the southern hemisphere, HAARP, CERN etc. Even the unusual behavior of our own sun, and the earth’s twisting electromagnetic field can be explained by the plasma and electromagnetic effects of introducing another large “planet” into our solar system. The “killshot” EMP that remote viewers have seen could also be induced by this new presence, etc etc. It all just makes too much sense at too many levels.

On the other hand, what benefit might there be to putting this one out as false bait? Anyone?

Regards,

Selene

to keep you tuning in for more.

[ghostrider]

canyons, hmmm, planets grow, sinkholes happen, quakes change axis tilt and land formations, a living planet growing, and most planets get hit with space debris all the time.

[Selene]

canyons, hmmm, planets grow, sinkholes happen, quakes change axis tilt and land formations, a living planet growing, and most planets get hit with space debris all the time.

Including - not to make too fine a point - us here on Earth......

Regards,

Selene

[Spellbound]

Why is the sky always falling??

Dave - Toronto

[Hervé]

Why is the sky always falling??

Dave - Toronto

Because it is a very deeply ingrained memory of a traumatic event that affected the entire earth population in the far past.

Therefore some psychos are always happy to push that button and stealthily giggle at the effect produced on the current population.

[Harley]

For me, the conversation doesn't contain enough useful information to be good for anything other than causing long threads of discussion that basically go nowhere. But that's just me. :)

There is this though...



Well, I see a lot of words that could mean basically anything. They may be empty words that the reader's mind fills up meaning to make sense of a meaningless story...

Examples:

Nibiru Pivots - what does that mean?

I read into this the point in Nov 2013 when comet C/2012 S1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51269-A-new-comet-or-something-more...............................) is closest to the sun :).

You may be (just maybe) onto something there Paul. We'll just have to wait and see. :)

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that just because we don't see something out there (yet) does not mean something is not there.

Pay attention to Saturn and Jupiter. They have both been displaying increasingly unusual and unprecedented activity for some time.

If you can't find the "source" of the problem then you look for the "symptoms".

Just sayin

:)

[ThePythonicCow]

just maybe
just ... :)

[bennycog]

when we move onto the next phase of consciousness... and i mean that by knew knowledge and understanding of things....we will probably have an ahhh moment looking back on discussions like these..

[The Truth Is In There]

cool, nibiru doom again. to bad it's been debunked numerous times already.

they always find a new angle, though. the farsight institute say they've seen plenty of meteors crash into the earth in early 2013. now the alleged whistleblowers bring up nibiru again along with a debris field, how convenient.

not that i don't enjoy these regular doom predictions but at some point they lose their flavour if nothing happens each and every time.

[Referee]

May I remind you of one item

AbgHyrmgRZM

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

This whole Nibiru stuff comes from Sitchin´s misinterpretation of the Sumerian texts.

Then, lots of people in the Alternative Media started using the term Nibiru as it was a fact.

Here is a quote from the website sitchiniswrong.com (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/):


Those familiar with either the writings of Zecharia Sitchin or the current internet rantings about “the return of Planet X” are likely familiar with the word “nibiru”. According to self-proclaimed ancient languages scholar Zecharia Sitchin, the Sumerians knew of an extra planet beyond Pluto. This extra planet was called Nibiru. Sitchin goes on to claim that Nibiru passes through our solar system every 3600 years. Some believers in Sitchin’s theory also refer to Nibiru as “Planet X”, the name given to a planet that is allegedly located within our solar system but beyond Pluto. Adherents to the “returning Planet X hypothesis” believe the return of this wandering planet will bring cataclysmic consequences to earth.

Is Sitchin correct – Is Nibiru a 12th planet that passes through our solar system every 3600 years? Did the Sumerians know this? Unfortunately for Sitchin and his followers, the answer to each of these questions is no. But how do I know? The cuneiform record in such texts as the one on the left, the astronomical text known as MUL.APIN (The "Plough Star").

Readers can click here (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf) for a summary paper I wrote on the word nibiru in cuneiform texts. What follows draws from that paper and, in the case of the video, demonstrates the accuracy of my contention that there isn't a single text in the entire cuneiform record that:

Has nibiru as a planet beyond Pluto
Connects nibiru with the Anunnaki
Has nibiru cycling through our solar system every 3600 years

Searching for Nibiru in Cuneiform Texts:

Here is a video (http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.html) that I created showing you where to find the leading dictionary of cuneiform words online (for free). Viewers can find that source and do what I do in the rest of the video: look up the entry for nibiru (spelled neberu in scholarly transliteration) and check to see if any of the above ideas are found in any Akkadian or Sumerian texts that mention nibiru. Spoiler: there aren't any -- but don't take my word for it. Look it up yourself.

Cheers,

Raf.

[angelahedgehog]

The described events correlate with the projections from the Farsight Institute, Clif High and some of the imagery used in the Olympic Ceremony - which I still can't decide if it was subliminal quantum reality programming (aka casting a spell) or a prediction (my guess would be the former) ... But I'm still not entirely convinced that what the Farsight RVers have seen is the future as it is, or a projection based on present conditions. I'm also on the fence about multiple timelines, or a convergence of all timelines. I am also on the fence about Nibiru.

But i do agree that the interview was very woolly, packed full of weasel words and empty phrases.

Though reading that back I think I might have made up a term for something that could be named something else "subliminal quantum reality programming" - I checked and there's nothing on the Goog that matches those precise terms - I pulled it out my er ... Hat ....

I just think that we've been exposed to symbols and number meanings for so long that just being flashed these things causes us to reflexively react .... And apologies if this has already been discussed ... But this end of everything meme has been kicking around for long and is a very contentious one. If I were in charge, I would want people to believe in it wholeheartedly because its so scary it's paralysing. Actually I think it'll be interesting if 21 Dec 2012 passes without incidence and people have to shrug and get on with putting their back into making it all right again.

[Spellbound]

Why is the sky always falling??

Dave - Toronto

Because it is a very deeply ingrained memory of a traumatic event that affected the entire earth population in the far past.

Therefore some psychos are always happy to push that button and stealthily giggle at the effect produced on the current population.

I understand this concept. However, it becomes the boy who cried wolf. Every few weeks we see these warnings saying something really bad is coming...causing people to go into a tizzy. But, per usual, nothing happens. I love Kerry to death (so to speak)...but she constantly pushes the panic button warning that we are doomed.

Dave - Toronto

[confused]

Nibiru Pivots - what does that mean?

Like others on this thread, I took Pivot to mean the point at which velocity accerates most rapidly - i.e. changes direction most abruptly




massive canyon (Hebes) that was cut into Mars when Nibiru grounded during her last passage - this implies that Nibiru cut a canyon into Mars the last time is passed around? Is that even possible?

I am sure many know what grounding means with respect to electric circuits. To ground something means to have a non(or less)-resistant path for electrons to flow to the earth - thus the term "grounded." I venture to say almost all outlets connect to a wire that literally inserts into the ground where the electrons can be safely discharged - that is, for example, what the third prong is for in US outlets. This prevents problems in case of sudden electrical surges. Applied to this statement, I understood this to mean that when Nibiru passed close to Mars, the difference in charge between the bodies was so great (Nibiru having an excess of negative charge - i.e. electrons) that Nibiru had a powerful electric discharge on the planet where it emptied its "excess" electrons. This would also make sense of another poster's comment regarding the resemblence of the canyon to electrical scarring.

This is an interesting idea when considering the electric universe theory, as well as David Icke's new theory regarding the destruction of Mars via electro-magentic bolts between Earth and Mars. I would like to hear more about Icke's theory on this. The info he often quotes in his books from the psychic in his early days regarding how in our history the Earth vortex energy laylines were shut down to prevent the complete distruction of the planet, may relate to this.

Regarding the other info, I agree this sounds suspicious and disinfoish, but I withold any conclusions yet.

[Referee]

I think this Strange Gas / Electric Storm on Saturn has a place in this thread.

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[Lazlo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky

I think that Velikovsky was onto something with using archaeology and comparative mythology to postulate ancient catastrophism. However, I think that he was wrong about attributing the events to orbital wanderings of the known planets.

Compare his theories and textual research with the idea of a very large, long period comet (such as next year's "Once in a Civilization comet, referenced elsewhere in this thread) and some of the disparate bits of information out there come into focus...maybe...slightly...if you look at them just so...;)

I can best summarize his works as an amalgam of Zecheria Sitchin and Graham Hancock meets the Electric Universe.

From Wikipedia:

Velikovsky argued that electromagnetic effects play an important role in celestial mechanics. He also proposed a revised chronology for ancient Egypt, Greece, Israel and other cultures of the ancient Near East. The revised chronology aimed at explaining the so-called "dark age" of the eastern Mediterranean (ca. 1100 – 750 BCE) and reconciling biblical history with mainstream archaeology and Egyptian chronology.

Velikovsky searched for common mention of events within literary records, and in the Ipuwer papyrus he believed he had found a contemporary Egyptian account of the Plagues of Egypt. Moreover, he interpreted both accounts as descriptions of a great natural catastrophe. Velikovsky attempted to investigate the physical cause of these events, and extrapolated backwards and forwards in history from this point, cross-comparing written and mythical records from cultures on every inhabited continent, using them to attempt synchronisms of the historical records, yielding what he believed to be further periodic natural catastrophes that can be global in scale

The catastrophes that occurred within the memory of humankind are recorded in the myths, legends and written history of all ancient cultures and civilisations. Velikovsky pointed to alleged concordances in the accounts of many cultures, and proposed that they referred to the same real events. For instance, the memory of a flood is recorded in the Hebrew Bible, in the Greek legend of Deucalion, and in the Manu legend of India. Velikovsky put forward the psychoanalytic idea of "Cultural Amnesia" as a mechanism whereby these literal records came to be regarded as mere myths and legends.
The causes of these natural catastrophes were close encounters between the Earth and other bodies within the solar system — not least what are now the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, and Mars, these bodies having moved upon different orbits within human memory.
To explain the celestial mechanics necessary to permit these changes to the configuration of the solar system, Velikovsky thought that electromagnetic forces might somehow play a greater role to counteract gravity and orbital mechanics

[Old Snake]

Bill,

Maybe you know more than we do about this,

What to make of the photography thing,
aka filter & time setting?

Thanks mate.

E.

[GoodETxSG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kn06sH5pbDY

"Brighter than the Moon and visible in broad daylight"... "November Comet" everyone is talking about... News agencies are already conditioning us for this event what ever it may or may not be.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Why is the sky always falling??

Dave - Toronto

to teach us how to play catch... ;)

[nomadguy]

Ultra Violet Spectrum System filters in 10 mg exposure. You'll be amazed at what you'll capture]

Hmm can someone on here try this out? Even if you are not near Denver.