Thread split: CNBC Execs Children Murdered and Bankster Lawsuits

[sigma6]

[ Mod-edit: The following thread originated as some posts on the related thread CNBC Execs Children Murdered 1 Day After CNBC reports $43 trillion Bankster Lawsuit (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51396-CNBC-Execs-Children-Murdered-1-Day-After-CNBC-reports-43-trillion-Bankster-Lawsuit). The posts became a bit of a distraction from the original thread, so I have split them off to this separate thread. -Paul.]

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No correlation??? go back to grade school!... that is simply the most retarded thing I have ever heard...

OF COURSE THERE IS A BLOODY CORRELATION!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE.... !!! THIS IS EMBARRASSING SOMETIMES TO HEAR PEOPLE ON THIS SITE MAKE SUCH COMMENTS... Did Fulford not hint at such an event and time window ???

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=573190&viewfull=1#post573190



http://petersantilli.com/
"there have been conflicting reports and commentary that the “$43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit” is the same as the DRAGON Family Lawsuit. (Click here for info on Dragon Family Lawsuit (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1023-financial-tyranny))"

[sigma6]

right... and I just won the lottery (posted the biggest scoop in history).... the day after I quit my job (children murdered by the mob)... and then they decided to fire me.... (take down the news story after the fact)

.... makes perfect sense... and then I sat down to play some poker with David Blaine and guess what, I got a royal flush in spades!!... and all I could think was

... what a coincidence! :O

[ThePythonicCow]

No correlation??? What are you saying, sigma6 ... what are you saying is correlated with what, and what "event" did Fulford hint at, and what does whether << the “$43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit” is the same as the DRAGON Family Lawsuit >> have to do with this?

Your outrage (perhaps well justified) left too many pronouns and incomplete references in your post for me to make sense of it.

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After this happened, what's to stop this VP going no holds barred after the people in this corrupt organization now?
His wife, his remaining child, and his desire to live ?

[sigma6]

didn't make sense? then my point was made...

But it's not like these mobster haven't spelled it out in black and white, they have told their victims in advance what they will do...

It's a text book 2012 mob hit, reminds me of what John Lear said THEY told him? ... "we won't come after you... no, but we will kill your family, your friends, those you love, those around you"...

isn't this EXACTLY the same "coincidence" with the Batman movie theater killer episode... the exact same pattern... what has the the mob traditionally done when they are in danger of being ratted out in court... what do people want? a parade???

It's just a shame they don't teach statistics or probability theory in highschool, and 90% in University never take it...

...this is what allows a politician to go on live radio and say it ran "chills up his spine" when he found out that there was a real terrorist event happening exactly happening at the exact same time and same place during 7/7 'exercise' knowing full well what he is saying is 99.999999% impossible... (but that he is assured in the ignorance of the public that he is speaking to...)

...this is what allows them to do these things in public... the blatant stupidity and ignorance of an uneducated and dumbed down public... and then people make these statements, like "well, it might be a coincidence..." it's like putting a redcap on your head and telling the world you never learned how to count past 10 or you never learned how to read... it's just embarrassing to have to hear...

the Government IS the MOB, owned by the MOB, run by the MOB, and now they are doing hits' in broad daylight in front of the eyes of millions... the banksters... are the bankroll (what else...) and now the word is out... let's see if the "public" is smart enough to figure it out...

and go back and read the Fulford article yourself man...

[ThePythonicCow]

didn't make sense? then my point was made...

It was your post that didn't make sense to me.

Still doesn't ...

[sigma6]

that's an unfortunate loss on your part, sorry to say...


(for the benefit of those who need some assistance adding 2 + 2)

Fulford's most recent article was TITLED (no less)

Will There Be A Coup D’etat In The US During The Next Couple Of Weeks? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=573190&viewfull=1#post573190)

Now tell me... you don't suppose a $43 trillion dollar lawsuit (that sticks) might fit as a possible Coup D'etat now do you? ... or better yet, let's play the devil's advocate (LOL) Is there any evidence to show that this DEFINITELY COULD NOT fit???

When was the last time anyone in the entire history of the US EVER, has anyone even heard of so many multi TRILLION dollar lawsuits happening EVER!???
And this is like the second of third one now in the last year...

"Wakey, wakey, eggs and bakey..."

[sigma6]

Given that the CNBC posting of this lawsuit's press release was apparently not out of the ordinary,

Given?? how is that "given"?? If it was a "given" then why would it be taken down the next day after the murders? in scientific methodological terms... that's called an AB AB design. it doesn't correlate once but actually correlates twice... making them incontrovertibly correlated...


;-)

[gripreaper]

that's called an AB AB design. it doesn't correlate once but actually correlates twice... making them incontrovertibly correlated...

So, the lawsuit and the murders are incontrovertibly correlated? Based on statistical analysis from someone who took statistics in college? Because those who did not take statistical analysis, which is most of us, can't possibly make such correlations because we are too dumbed down?

Uh, yes, the elitist are mobster gangsters and yes, they do make hits on those who fall out of protocol, but you are making some gross assumptions at this stage of the unfolding event, and being patronizing to those who question the veracity of such assumptions, does not make them dumb because they did not take statistical analysis in college.

And using Fulford's recent blog post as your basis for the correlation is, well, somewhat controversial in itself. It's statistically not correlated that the lawsuit would cause a "coup d'etat" or any such incontrovertible event. Lawsuits against the banksters in the banksters tribunal court system is laughable. Who do you think controls the courts?

And using Winston Shrouts administrative processes, since you have followed him for years, are about as useless as any administrative notice. Has there ever been an administrative notice which has been enforced to a favorable outcome? Maybe the banksters should just A4V the 43 trillion dollar debt and discharge it!

[ThePythonicCow]

Is there any evidence to show that this DEFINITELY COULD NOT fit???
What things are you saying "fit" ... what are you saying is correlated with what?

I still don't know yet what you're saying ...

[sigma6]

I'm hardly the one doing the 'patronizing' ... and it's not a gross assumption... if someone won a lottery in your neighourhood, you'd call that unbelievably lucky, and if he one another again the next week, I'd have serious questions... and if they won again in the third week, I'd be doing an investigation, or checking for paranormal influence (your choice) but the point is you don't need to go to college to see something as anomolous as that... nor would a statistical analysis even be necessary...

and if someone wants to pretend there is no evidence of correlation, they are simply exposing a limitation of understanding regarding the probabilities... a position I wouldn't want to put myself in (to say the least...)

not even as a psueudo 'intellectual' argument... I can't speak for you (or Paul for that matter) but I would be embarrassed to say that, but that's me... that's why we have a difference... I am quite comfortable in my position... and the logic and math it is based on...

I can prove that everyone actually has the capability to make these observations using something much more simple, like "common sense" and their own experience... and this correlative ability can actually be shown to exist in all biological organisms in fact (but that is another story...)

And are you also trying to twist my words? which is kind of silly as everything is posted for the record... I NEVER said there was a statistical analysis, (it would be pointless, as the temporal correlation of the events combined with the context of the individuals involved and combined with the timing is enough to stand on it's own, but if you wish to pretend it's "just a coincidence" and you feel that is mathematically more plausible ... feel free... but don't say I didn't make the effort to open your eyes a little, I'd rather not be the one to put you up to that...


Uh, yes, the elitist are mobster gangsters and yes, they do make hits on those who fall out of protocol,

but, but you would actually then negate your own admission... well done...

And it is also the issue of making it public, putting it in a public light, making a critical mass of the public AWARE, and YES that could make a difference... This is an issue of trust, the most indefensible crime of a trustee is BREACH OF TRUST... If that is the case any government agent nailed on that cross, wouldn't stand a chance... when it is on this scale and involving the government, this isn't just another Bernie Madoff case... that's kid's stuff by comparison, peanuts...

Do you realize that's is enough money to bankrupt the US... is that what you don't want to hear?... not to fear the US was bankrupt over 220 years ago... (in fact it has gone through three 70 year periods of bankruptcies, the last ending in 1999) and has been operating in Bankruptcy as it's modus operandi for centuries, (another story again...)

(remember most are asleep, afraid to wake up... some even "preferring" to not want to hear it?) ...but with people like you and how you think, that does sound like a lost cause doesn't it... so are you're essentially saying since we can't win, let's just pretend it's not really happening????

[gripreaper]

Look, I did not say ANY of this was coincidence. I'm just not saying it's statistically incontrovertible because I was not there when the kids were stabbed, or when the news story of the 43 trillion lawsuit was released, or by whom.

Yet, you should know, 43 trillion in NOT enough to bankrupt the country, and as you have stated, the country was bankrupted 270 years ago and the corporate US has given all of the assets of this country over to the global banksters 80 years ago.

So, why get your panties in a bunch about a lawsuit? Lawsuits are BS and, if you have been following along, just take a look at the farms claims lawsuits which took 30 years and went all the way to the US Supreme Court, and they WON, but did they actually get restitution? Nope.

So, we have more bankster shenanigans, more murders, more lawsuits, and most of the people are asleep. So what else is new?

You lose your credibility when you throw Fulford and Shrout into the mix as your basis for the point you still haven't made. Your still just ranting and you still haven't made your point.

[sigma6]

Tell me then, what is the US debt according to you?? and what is the US Gross National product according to you... ?

and I am sure you have studied Shrout now too have you... ?
I think you just lost your credibility in that statement, how much of his material have you actually read or studied yourself... ? (that's what I thought...)

So you want to put yourself above an entity like the White Dragon society that must be behind this global effort to create such a lawsuit and these are just legal cases like the kind you're probably dreaming like on television....

...except that they are LIENs, the same kind of liens the IRS uses when they go after your house...

and you know what happens when they get their order in court... yeah it's a military affair, and the sheriff is called in for that reason... ie. it's enforceable (by use of force...)

So your saying White Dragon society (if it is them behind this) don't know what they are doing, Keenan doesn't know what he is doing, Shrout doesn't know what he is doing, and Fulford is reporting on air...

Is that your expert opinion?

I think you got your facts out of sorts (by a mile?)

[gripreaper]

Tell me then, what is the US debt according to you??

This would take a ten week seminar to drill down, but I will try. First, the Federal Reserve Act gave the global banksters the power to create fiat debt , to which they used this power to bankrupt the entire planet. The petrodollar went out globally and sucked up all the assets, leaving the world with nothing but worthless paper. The actual tangibles were hypothecated and turned over to these banksters (most of it) and there is a contingent who realize this, and are attempting to retain their sovereignty. They have realized they were conned and are holding useless fiat. So, the national debt is nothing but a bunch of worthless promises to pay created out of thin air.


what is the Gross National product according to you...

In the US, it is about 14 trillion a year. Most of this value added flows upstream to the banksters as payment of interest. This cash flow does nothing for assets or capital, but vanishes into the bowels of the cabal.


So your saying White Dragon society (if it is them behind this) don't know what they are doing, Keenan doesn't know what he is doing, Shrout doesn't know what he is doing, and Fulford is reporting on air...

Well, like I said above, there is a contigent who realize they've been conned, and I don't know if it's an organized "White Dragon Society" of benevolent earth loving and people loving souls who do not have their own interests at heart. And as far as Fulford is concerned, he is marginally suspect with his reports. Shrout is been selling the administrative process for years, and it has had limited success. Keenan most certainly doesn't know what he is doing. So, the short answer would be, yes, the whole Dragon Society, Keenan, Fulford, Drake and Shrout scenario is HIGHLY unreliable and suspect.

Any more questions for this dumbed down dude who is "off" by a country mile?

[ThePythonicCow]

didn't make sense? then my point was made...

It was your post that didn't make sense to me.

But it's not like these mobster haven't spelled it out in black and white, they have told their victims in advance what they will do...

It's a text book 2012 mob hit, reminds me of what John Lear said THEY told him? ... "we won't come after you... no, but we will kill your family, your friends, those you love, those around you"...

isn't this EXACTLY the same "coincidence" with the Batman movie theater killer episode... the exact same pattern... what has the the mob traditionally done when they are in danger of being ratted out in court... what do people want? a parade???
Ah - you edited a previous post after I replied to it and I didn't notice the added text until now.

I have split your previous post in two parts in my quoting just above, to reflect the order in which you and I each wrote various portions of these two posts.

So I guess you're saying that

the “$43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit” is the same as the DRAGON Family Lawsuit that Fulford speaks of,
that the murder of these two children is the sort of operation that the mob sometimes does in a hit, and
because the murder came a couple days after the posting of the press release on CNBC's blog, therefore the murders must, with 99.999999% confidence, be connected with the $43B aka Dragon lawsuit.
Right?

More over this is so obvious to you that anyone who so much as asks you to write more clearly because you hadn't actually stated in clear and complete sentences what you were claiming is deserving of patronizing (thanks for that word, grip) ridicule.

Right?

If so, I disagree that this is obviously the case, for reasons stated above, in short:

These law suit(s) may well be frivolous, placing the Banksters in no danger.
The published press release may well have been published pro forma in a variety of financial blogs.
The nanny may well have been under some increasing financial and medical stress for months.
The CNBC executive may well not have had much if anything to do with running the CNBC financial blog or controlling what it posted.
Fulford may well have a rather inconsistent track record.

You could be right; there is not enough reliable information to know either way right now.

Sometimes however people really are murdered for "small time" reasons.

One thing I do know, from hard experience, is that the alleged evidence, regardless of the source, which initially shows up after such events is highly likely to be somewhat altered from the real events, sufficiently to make it pretty much impossible to determine with high confidence right away what actually happened.

Calm discussion, clear thinking, reading and writing, an openness to new evidence and alternatives, diligent research, respect for other researchers and a caring heart for the victims are all useful when analyzing such affairs.

Please re-read the previous paragraph, sigma6.

This forum has a reputation for being one of the best places to analyze troubling events and discuss important topics, as well as being a great place for some wonderful people to meet and cooperate on the Web.

That's in good part why I'm here and why I contribute my time to this forum.

I figure we're not "out of the woods" yet. I am determined to do what I can to see that this forum continues to be a useful place to analyze troubling events and discuss important topics. I hope your re-reading of that paragraph was successful.

[ThePythonicCow]

Your still just ranting and you still haven't made your point.
I agree - I took some time to write some guesses as to what sigma6 is claiming, in a post that took so long to write that you and he had another couple of rounds of back and forth in the meanwhile.

Looking at his latest posts as I write this, I still do not know for certain just what he's claiming.

sigma6 - please do not confuse someone asking what you mean, with someone claiming that you are definitely and totally wrong.

[sigma6]

not quite.... even during a bankruptcy which is agreed, and this one is basically a ch 11... ie debtor chooses to take on the attempt to 'restructure their debt for the purpose of becoming solvent again' (in theory) which is called "debtor is in possession", that means that the debtor is going to continue managing his own affairs with the intention of paying those debts, that's why it is so important to keep records... think about it... if there is no money, isn't it amazing all the accounting the whole world does???

That accounting is absolutely critical, because the debtor who is 'in possession' ie. taking the role of 'trustee' has the obligation to keep track of all of their accounting even if they are in debt, because they have to show they are making every effort to make restitution... now if it were found out that the debtor, who chose to take on the role of trustee and manage their own affairs (the bankruptcy) had been maintaining two sets of books and was in fact embezzling funds during the tenure as trustee, debtor in possession, with responsibility to pay all debt obligations, in fact were trying to abscond the entire funds of the corporation.... well you have a BIG problem, IF that were to be proven, I will predict the the murder rate in Washington DC will be higher then it's already "highest rate in country" status already... and 43 trillion is enough to cut the dollar by 35 to 60% imo...

Face it, every empire in the history of the world fell, and the US's time is up... the writing has been on the wall for decades, each empire rises higher and faster and falls quicker then the previous, it's no accident they invested all their money in military armaments before the crash is coming, as they know full well how many enemies they have made around the world... as Nick Gurarino said in the Wall Street Underground that predicted the US economic crash and the coming "police state" in his 1998-2000 financial news articles .... "it's like a cannon ball floating in the air, how long can it stay afloat like that?" It's has to come crashing down...

That is what this is all about Jim Traficante went to jailf for 7 years because he was the only Senator to speak publicly about the bankruptcy (that was a considered a breach of trust since the bankruptcy is considered private)

9/11 was a distraction, and a play to make a fast buck and take out other economies before the SHTF, like I said in my Fulford article, it's like a game of musical chairs... everyone is just positioning themselves before the music stops... listening and trying to watch when teacher is going to lift the needle off the record...

[gripreaper]

not quite.... even during a bankruptcy which is agreed, and this one is basically a ch 11... ie debtor chooses to take on the attempt to 'restructure their debt for the purpose of becoming solvent again' (in theory) which is called "debtor is in possession", that means that the debtor is going to continue managing his own affairs with the intention of paying those debts, that's why it is so important to keep records... think about it... if there is no money, isn't it amazing all the accounting the whole world does???

That accounting is absolutely critical, because the debtor who is 'in possession' ie. taking the role of 'trustee' has the obligation to keep track of all of their accounting even if they are in debt, because they have to show they are making every effort to make restitution... now if it were found out that the debtor, who chose to take on the role of trustee and manage their own affairs (the bankruptcy) had been maintaining two sets of books and was in fact embezzling funds during the tenure as trustee, debtor in possession, with responsibility to pay all debt obligations, in fact were trying to abscond the entire funds of the corporation.... well you have a BIG problem, IF that were to be proven, I will predict the the murder rate in Washington DC will be higher then it's already "highest rate in country" status already... and 43 trillion is enough to cut the dollar by 35 to 60% imo...

The problem with labeling the Federal Reserve as the "creditor" and the different nations who were conned by the Federal Reserve as "debtors" is a misnomer, even though the trust was set up to administer this charade. Pulling back the curtain and moving away from the structures of global rules of commerce, and Admiralty Law, and back engineering this to at least Roman times, all the smoke and mirrors of the fiat system just uncover more of the charade.

Who holds the actual tangible goods, which could be classified as actual assets? The banksters do. The bankruptcies continue "ad nauseam" without the parties "paying off" or emerging from chapter 11. So yes, there are at least two sets of books, with at least one of them totally rigged.

[ThePythonicCow]

not quite.... even during a bankruptcy which is agreed, and this one is basically a ch 11...

The problem with labeling the Federal Reserve as the "creditor" and the different nations who were conned by the Federal Reserve as "debtors" is a misnomer, even though the trust was set up to administer this charade.
Please don't stray too far from the topic of this thread - which involves the murder of the children of a CNBC executive.

[sigma6]

I wish I could make sense of what you are trying to say Paul it sounds so obtuse and vague... ???

[sigma6]

You're just now finally coming back to that... you must have taken a nap.... shame on you, missed out again... me thinks... in any event, I don't think this should be treated like some 'politically correct' political debate... I am not here to massage my intellectual ego...

We are witnessing a mob war, just like Fulford predicted and has talked about for years.... right in our faces, how much more blatant can it get,

the reality is if you want to play 'politically correct' you should be maybe a tad upset that mobsters who have been hiding in the background respectfully since the days of Al Capone (as they never really left) are now doing this kind of violence out in the open, and it it's not just the street level operators (they know better), it's on a much higher more powerful level... more deeper in the bowels of elite power.... which makes it all the more disturbing...

but the most disturbing thing is that people would actually choose to be blind to it... as if...

[gripreaper]

Please don't stray too far from the topic of this thread - which involves the murder of the children of a CNBC executive.

It all ties in Paul considering that a 43 trillion dollar lawsuit apparently triggered a "hit" on a CNBC executives family... which is incontrovertibly correlated I might add.

[gripreaper]

Please don't stray too far from the topic of this thread - which involves the murder of the children of a CNBC executive.

It all ties in Paul considering that a 43 trillion dollar lawsuit apparently triggered a "hit" on a CNBC executives family... which is incontrovertibly correlated I might add.

Now that Sigma has finally made his point, I think I'll go hit the rack. It's 1am here on the west coast of the bankrupt corporate US of A.

[sigma6]

yeah I see 43 trillion dollar liens being pursued all the time... pretty boring stuff compared to some of my favourite legal shows on tv... I wonder why would they put something like that on the front page anyways, ....

... and why would they remove it?... just after somebody's children were murdered in a totally unrelated incident?

maybe there was a typo in the headline... do ya think???
and then maybe they forgot to put it back up because they found something more important to report... yeah, yeah... that must be it...
it's possible they could have forgot, I mean we can never really know for sure...

and I still haven't heard what the US GNP is or what their current debt is supposed to be... anyone? gotta be some 'expert' out there... that would be a nice number to put beside that 43 TRILLION to see how they compare, and just think 12-15 trillion of that (publicly known) 16 trillion was all accumulated in the last 15-20 years... can anyone say "exponential" ... as in straight up and off the chart... can you hear that sound... ?

[sigma6]

The problem with labeling the Federal Reserve as the "creditor" and the different nations who were conned by the Federal Reserve as "debtors" is a misnomer,

Sorry to say, but once again you got this backwards... the US corporation is the DEBTOR and has been since it's inception... The IRS and the FED RESERVE are NOT part of the US Corporation or the US Government... never were, never will be they are just there to collect interest payments on money that was loaned to the corporation...

It's basically the same deal as a mobster loanshark going around the neighbourhood collecting their 'payment's (after having bankrupted the local businesses in the first place with their threats and violence) it's is nothing more then an ultra sophisticated form of extortion and parasitism... NOTHING more, if you see anything more then that it is just an illusion... and they enlisted the government's participation in a machiavellian pyramid of control... so the government is just as liable...

[ThePythonicCow]

I wish I could make sense of what you are trying to say Paul it sounds so obtuse and vague... ???

Sad. By the way, you were rather insulting to me at times above. That's not how we ask members to treat each other.


Now that Sigma has finally made his point, I think I'll go hit the rack.

Good night.

As you will both notice, I split this sub-thread off, into its own thread.

[GoodETxSG]

Posting on this split of the original;

We are seeing a lot of evidence that these sick freaks now have their backs against the wall. The question is will there be real movement to toss them off of their Thrown... or will cohorts have each other’s backs as in centuries past? There is real opportunity here, but I am not holding my breath. I have worked in Mil Intel and IT Net Security in Financial Institutions (Including the Federal Reserve Bank) for more than half of my life and have had my hopes up too many times and then see no progress even after great sacrifice of brave people. The things I have witnessed firsthand and just plain stumbled across in my professional life are amazing/sickening.

I really do not think the evil empire will collapse until each of us take to the streets and demand it. They are dug in like a tic and have no reason to clean things up themselves. This is not just some fun conspiracy theory role playing game that we can pop in and put on a personality, contribute or somewhat innocently "Make Up" some new NEWS in the absence of updates from Avalon/Camelot, David Wilcock, or David Icke. There is a lot of uneasiness in the voices of people within the Military and NGO’s in what could be an interesting time after the elections. Giving plenty of fuel to the propaganda machines.

I have to say we need to either be people of action or sit back and read about it. There has been so much propaganda lately that it has been blurring the entire battle field. I am in no place to really lecture anyone. Just to ask that you think before you post or re-post "Intel", to be willing to put yourself and your reputation on the line... for real... and please try to be circumspect on info that you pass along. I have been used before to pass on bad Intel and it is a horrible feeling when you realize you have been a TOOL and that your reputation has been tainted forever.

There is more organization within the enemies of the “Elite of the West” than I have ever seen. I hope every opportunity is seized and we get some movement on this soon for us all.

[Christine]

To Sigma6,

Your outrage is shared.

Paul and Grip - thanks for steering this dialogue into something that could be understood.

An atrocious act was committed, it touches us all at a very primordial level which is sure to touch our deepest cellular memories and provoke strong reactions.

Christine

[Pony Express]

Running the risk of seeming naive...I am again reminded that "we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities and wickedness in high places..." Apostle Paul

BUT...Human beings do have unseen champions. The poor innocents' souls are cared-for with great tenderness. How do we remain sane if we do not believe this in some measure? Who of us can profess to know the truth of what really happened here? We only have facts: crimes were committed, an attempt at exposure happened, and two children are dead.

We are humbled at our inability to defend ourselves against such wicked power. Who dares to turn away and say it doesn't involve them? I don't. Yet, it is an imperative that humanity re-examine where its collective heart is and what it believes to be truth. No one's head is above the other here. Quietness is called for. Truth speaks with a calm Voice.

[sigma6]

Sad. By the way, you were rather insulting to me at times above. That's not how we ask members to treat each other.

Oh my, is that going to be your way out again this time Paul?.... trying to play the victim now? ouch! that is scraping the barrel a bit, given it was your original comments that initiated alot of the disagreement (I have been noticing a pattern here... see below)

I would also say you are manipulative in your own right Paul, I personally find that more then insulting, in that someone in your position shouldn't be taking advantage of their ability to manipulate the threads, when it seems things don't go their way... and it does seem that you are willing to overextend your manipulation of other people's threads, twisting one's words in a conversation is one thing, but I can't say your not entitled in that regard.... but

I don't think you are denying your bias against Fulford, (but then with how you play, who knows your response today?...) but when you went so far as to alter the title of that thread to try and date it, and re-alter it even more, after a very specific and pointed enquiry (since no one was taking credit for the aleration) and then when you were finally identified as the manipulator of the text, caught red handed, refused to own up pretending you "hadn't bothered to read the thread?" (yet still managed to add in the same lame 'obtuse questions' and still felt 'obligated' to alter the title) and when you came back with your even more 'obtuse' explanation, I graciously let it go... but here is the same pattern again... and anyone can go check for themselves...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=568196&viewfull=1#post568196

one can always ask seemlingly 'innocent' questions, but are they really that 'innocent'? like trying to start an issue by focusing on the 1-5% probability, and yes we could argue all day that it is technically correct, (belying the fact you do in fact understand the probabilities...) but I think it is a gross misrepresentation to misdirect people away from the other 90-95% possibility. What's the word... disingenuous?

Is it not more a very cunning, and excellent technique from a debating standpoint? I personally don't subscribe to it morally, (but for others I guess it's an issue of whether they get 'caught' or not...) because it is mathematically deceptive and thus invalid when looked at closer. Why should we focus all our attention on that 1%? and just ignore the other 90%?

Thanks for trying to remove the splinter from my eye... and anyone can go check the other thread to verify 'the pattern' of what I am saying here... as I won't stand for other's trying to manipulate my words, I am not going to back down, run away from my statements, then pretend I am a victim to escape the exposure of gap in my logic or reason, the higher moral thing is to acknowledge the truth of the matter.

Nor have my meaning or the text I write altered for that matter as was done on the Fulford thread.... by (guess who...)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=568196&viewfull=1#post568196that

... and if anyone does try, I feel a moral obligation to call them out, or at least assertively question what they think they are doing... I know I am consistent in this ... but I can't speak for others... and I will be every time anyone decides to play that game, no matter how smooth, and how cunning or what hidden advantages the other may be taking advantage of, in the background, or under the glare of a bright light... however they want to play it... for anyone checking the the title on Fulford's thread, it was eventually returned back to it's original form, only after a great deal of 'detective' work, honest inquiry, direct questioning, and then repeatedly repeating, and then demanding that it be returned to it's original title....

shame... someone likes burning a slow candle I would say... we ALL have our biases... but trying to make on we are the 'voice of reason' is a facade imo... is anyone naive and inexperienced enough to argue with that?...

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Fulford's most recent article was TITLED (no less)

Will There Be A Coup D’etat In The US During The Next Couple Of Weeks? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=573190&viewfull=1#post573190)



Yawn......not to be a smart ass, but didn't this all ready happen a long time ago? Ooooh, I get it.....it's a Coup D'etat of the Coup D'etat, lol.

All righty then, don't mind me.......... back to playing G.I. Joe

[sigma6]

there is still an issue of a lot of threads and titles being manipulated...

regards Fulford, let's not forget we are talking about something that has been in play since at least 1913 as far as the creation of the Fed Reserve (phony banking cartel) and the IRS and the FBI, (must be another coincidence)

and in another interpretation the Bankruptcy goes back to the inception of the United States themselves (both the republic and the corporation were created in parallel) when apparently people may in fact have had more education on these topics at least those in positions of power (unlike today, they are just a bunch of parasitical lackeys feeding at the trough, like the buffet is going to shut down any minute, all at the expense of Mr/Mrs American Citizen Taxpayer...and thank you very much)

and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact that this all doesn't fit into a daytime soap opera or a two hour hollywood movie is unfortunate, but what you are watching is a centuries old and at least one century old event unfolding...

so it is taking a few years ... and so what of it... it would be a farce if the newspapers (that we have once again validated how they are controlled by illuminati, at least in my mind...) said this was all sorted out over a few days, or weeks, or even months for that matter, say at Rockefeller's UN building over the weekend, now that would be unrealistic to me... it should take years, given the immensity, the history, the degree of infiltration, etc, etc, ad nauseum... think of how long a 'typical' court case takes for some flake like 'OJ Simpson' (any takers?... lol) ... how much longer is a global 'Admiralty Law Lien Action going to take...??

[gripreaper]

The problem with labeling the Federal Reserve as the "creditor" and the different nations who were conned by the Federal Reserve as "debtors" is a misnomer,

Sorry to say, but once again you got this backwards... the US corporation is the DEBTOR and has been since it's inception... The IRS and the FED RESERVE are NOT part of the US Corporation or the US Government... never were, never will be they are just there to collect interest payments on money that was loaned to the corporation...

Once again, you have misconstrued what I said and twisted it around. Where did I say that the Federal Reserve was part of the government, or the US corporation? Once again, if this is a new revelation for you, then I applaud you for finally seeing this. But for me, this is old news. But, don't confuse it with some notion of global contract law, the uniform commercial code, admiralty, or the laws governing contracts. To use the Blacks Law definition of "creditor"' and "debtor" is somewhat laughable when dealing with gansters.


It's basically the same deal as a mobster loanshark going around the neighbourhood collecting their 'payment's (after having bankrupted the local businesses in the first place with their threats and violence) it's is nothing more then an ultra sophisticated form of extortion and parasitism... NOTHING more, if you see anything more then that it is just an illusion... and they enlisted the government's participation in a machiavellian pyramid of control... so the government is just as liable...

Yea, the elite globaslist banksters are like the mob. Good for you to have finally figured this out. Also old news around here. What I found obtuse in your hypothesis, was your calling anyone who does not use statistical analysis to come to the incontrovertible correlation that this is a mob hit, bar none, because some CNBC executive opened his mouth and leaked a story which should have... what, been kept private?

Ever heard of Pacer? The lawsuit would have gone public when registered on Pacer anyway. So, this is a retaliatory "hit" on such a rogue media executive, that a highly sophisticated MK Ultra, mind manipulation, controlled ritual blood sacrifice murder occured, where the loved and trusted nanny slit the throats of two of the kids, and then tried to commit suicide herself by "slitting" her own throat?

This is nothing more than a mob hit and I should quit looking behind the curtain. Since you are good at throwing out bread crumbs for us to use to connect all the dots, maybe you would be so kind as to do all the connecting, so that us poor souls who did not get a chance to take statistical analysis in college may benefit from your upper level college academic prowess.

[gripreaper]

and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

Would you mind qualifying this statement a bit more? Are you referring to the administrative liens filed at the Hague? Could you please site one example of an administrative lien filed with the world court which has ALWAYS been executed?

Could you please show us the FACT pertaining to this Winston Shrout administrative process which has ALWAYS been executed?

Thanks in advance for your due diligence and the links which are to follow, to corroborate and substantiate your claim. I'll suspend my daytime soap opera until you have a chance to back up your claims.

[we-R-one]

and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

Would you mind qualifying this statement a bit more? Are you referring to the administrative liens filed at the Hague? Could you please site one example of an administrative lien filed with the world court which has ALWAYS been executed?

I was wondering that myself....

[sigma6]

Where did I say that the Federal Reserve was part of the government, or the US corporation?

Distracting away are we... hmm... ok let's play this out to avoid Grip's trap... you guys are quite the tag team.... but I am sure we have all been through this at one time or another... (lol) the following is my opinion (just in case that is not clear...) The US corporation is very much part of the government, as they seem to be the only 'acting' body... Although the people are really the government... you know, people just like yourself?... problem is they don't seem to be doing too much about it... other then complaining at the job the acting 'government' corporation has been doing... but the people can rise any time... (I do hope they do...)


don't confuse it with some notion of global contract law, the uniform commercial code, admiralty, or the laws governing contracts. To use the Blacks Law definition of "creditor"' and "debtor" is somewhat laughable
any more detail to add here or is that it? I notice you never responded to my question, just how much Winston Shrout have you actually read up on, and you don't to be a 'college boy' to read a book or watch a DVD today...


I found obtuse in your hypothesis, was your calling anyone who does not use statistical analysis to come to the incontrovertible correlation that this is a mob hit, bar none, because some CNBC executive opened his mouth and leaked a story which should have... what, been kept private?

It looks like you are mixing two things in here, interesting... and I am not sure if you are using obtuse in the right context, is that what you really mean? Do you think I am being vague and ambiguous?? like I am ready to run away from any of my statements at any moment and change the topic to something else... (I'm deeply hurt by that!... )

In any event regarding the turn of events, that you are suggesting are unrelated? and the batman movie massacre is another unrelated incident? yet what are the odds? two men exposing the highest legal crimes at the highest level, one has a straight A student turn zombie on him and the other has his children stabbed multiple times...

btw the multiple stabbing is also something else that people should focus a closer attention on as well... that is not typical either, or more consistent in 'relationship' type highly emotional killings which seems out of place here... and yes the bankruptcy of the US is private, it is a trust related issue, Bankruptcy and Trust go hand in hand (but you already knew that right...) and Trust Issues do have a private and public side, do you notice that the Government never publicly talks about it... do you think that is another 'coincidence' James Traficante is the only politician to ever publicly speak about it directly in congress, and not just be in some debt... but operating as a Ch.11 Debtor in possession, trustee with obligation to pay all debts...

and in response to your statement that it was a mob hit, ok so we are agreed, but then your saying it is no big deal??
you lost me there...


And WOW, I just went back to get some text, and I can't believe how much you and Paul have completely rewritten (LOLOL) well that is very interesting indeed... LOLOLOLL

I swear I didn't make my comment about Paul above before going back there... I swear to God! (LOLOLLOL)

OK (regaining my composure here...) I clearly stated that no analysis is needed because it is so bloody obvious...


nd are you also trying to twist my words? which is kind of silly as everything is posted for the record... I NEVER said there was a statistical analysis, (it would be pointless, as the temporal correlation of the events combined with the context of the individuals involved and combined with the timing is enough to stand on it's own, but if you wish to pretend it's "just a coincidence" and you feel that is mathematically more plausible ... feel free... but don't say I didn't make the effort to open your eyes a little, I'd rather not be the one to put you up to that...

And finally Grip, if you want to go back and look at my previous posts, feel free, I have them linked to documents, references videos even a smattering of some Winston Videos... but I am only guessing my never read any of it to make a comment like yours... but feel free to check it out... I know what I wrote, and I only revise my work to correct grammar and spelling and add MORE context, NOT change it... LOLOL

[gripreaper]

You know what sigma, you and I are on the same page more than you realize. Yes, I am fully aware that there is a public side and a privatre side, but you need to set the context for your posts so that we can "grok" where you are coming from. You are mixing public and private processes when you talk about "lawsuits" and creditors and debtors, and then in the next breath you talk about administrative liens and Winston Shrout. Throw in a little Fulford, and "Wholla", we have ourselves an incontrovertible academic correlation!

So, why not just tell us that you are a proponent of the "private side" remedies which have ALWAYS been executed, and then add the links for these ALWAYS executed liens?

Keenan was a total idiot filing a lawsuit in New York Federal Court, when he should have well known that siting global defendants would not fly jurisdictionally. So, what does he do? He rescinds and withdraws that lawsuit and files Winston Shrout's Administrative Notice and liens with the Hague?

And since you are such a proponenet of the private side remedy, would you please show us how this is the Coup D'etat which will bring the whole enchilada down?

[sigma6]

and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

Would you mind qualifying this statement a bit more? Are you referring to the administrative liens filed at the Hague? Could you please site one example of an administrative lien filed with the world court which has ALWAYS been executed?

I was wondering that myself....

Do we know what the Federal Reserve did with 16 trillion dollars? and since we don't should we argue against it as being immaterial or inaccurate or false? Why is the argument always along the line, since I am unaware, ignorant, not abreast of certain information, etc, the other party must therefore must be incorrect?... that just doesn't jive with me... if you want to counter and prove these things wrong, feel free..., or read up on Wilcocks site, he has one of the most up to date on these cases as well as the big picture or go get some of Winston Shrout's earlier weekend seminars, Fort Collins 2003 (or there abouts) comes to mind...

And Winston has made reference on his own site recently, and he has also done an interview posted on the internet by David Wilcok regarding the liens that are being placed on banks around the world. Anybody who wants to really make the effort can read these... but are they in the 'Hague' or 'World Court'??? sounds pretty high falutin' to me, but not sure what that is supposed to be getting at, or if it is relevant...

The existing cases I am sure are only the tip of the iceberg... we might want to get used to the fact that the reality is that (as "sad" as it may be for some... is that what we don't know FAR, FAR exceeds what we do... but that doesn't mean therefore it doesn't exist... we are going to have to be a little more creative or observant then that... )

But what do you think the 43 Trillion dollars is referring to?... do you think that is just an 'internal' matter to the US?... that's a little egocentric isn't it... the party that borrows is called the debtor, and the party that lends is called the creditor, let's stick to what we know for starters...

[gripreaper]

and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

Would you mind qualifying this statement a bit more? Are you referring to the administrative liens filed at the Hague? Could you please site one example of an administrative lien filed with the world court which has ALWAYS been executed?

I was wondering that myself....

Do we know what the Federal Reserve did with 16 trillion dollars? why is the argument always along the line, since I am unaware, ignorant, not abreast of certain information, etc, the other party must therefore must be incorrect?... that just doesn't jive with me... if you want to counter and prove these things wrong, feel free..., or read up on Wilcocks site, he has one of the most up to date on these cases as well as the big picture or go get some of Winston Shrout's earlier weekend seminars, Fort Collins 2003 (or there abouts) comes to mind...

And Winston has made reference on his own site recently, and he has also done an interview posted on the internet by David Wilcok regarding the liens that are being placed on banks around the world. Anybody who wants to really make the effort can read these... but are they in the 'Hague' or 'World Court'??? sounds pretty high falutin' to me, but not sure what that is supposed to be getting at, or if it is relevant...

The existing cases I am sure are only the tip of the iceberg... we might want to get used to the fact that the reality is that (as "sad" as it may be for some... is that what we don't know FAR, FAR exceeds what we do... but that doesn't mean therefore it doesn't exist... we are going to have to be a little more creative or observant then that... )

But what do you think the 43 Trillion dollars is referring to?... do you think that is just an 'internal' matter to the US?... that's a little egocentric isn't it... the party that borrows is called the debtor, and the party that lends is called the creditor, let's stick to what we know for starters...

Nice of you to sidestep the question, not provide any links, but send me down the Winston Shrout and David Wilcock rabbit hole scouring for some administrative liens which have ALWAYS been executed?

Give me a friggin break. Just so you know, I've read all of David Wilcocks "The Lawsuit To End ALL Lawsuits" and his other dribble about administrative liens and their force and effect, and I've studied Winston Shrout and his administrative processes for years, so you are not dealing with a neophite here when it comes to public and private remedies.

But, for you to espouse that the private remedy of Noticing the Hague and filing a lien with the world court is the answer, I just asked... Where the proof? SHOW ME ONE administrative lien where restitution has EVER been paid out?

Sorry if I'm not jumping on your White Dragon Society, Keenan, Fulford, Wilcock, Drake and Shrout dog and pony show bandwagon to sovereignty and freedom. It's a bunch of crap until you prove otherwise, which you can't, which is why you deflected me down a rabbit hole instead of addressing the administrative remedy ISSUES which you have incontrovertibly used as a basis for your claim to be 99% correlate.

Sorry, but you don't get off that easy.

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Yep, I'm not seeing a response to the question, which is why I asked....I've never heard of administrative liens "always being executed" on the world court, maybe I missed it, but that's why your comment got my attention- would be interested in seeing some links to that one. I do like David Wilcock's info in regards to his scientific studies, but I wouldn't necessarily accept his legal documentation as fact. I'm not convinced he has a solid grasp or a knowledgeable enough legal background to even fully understand the context of what he's reporting, rather he could just be a mouthpiece to those who want specific information brought out to the public based on whatever the agenda may be. By no means is that a slam on Wilcock, just merely and observation.....in the same manner I will never claim to have a full grasp of the legal shenanigans that carry on within the corporation we call home, nor that of the world's arena.

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By the way, not trying to gang up here...just trying to understand

[sigma6]

You know what sigma, you and I are on the same page more than you realize. Yes, I am fully aware that there is a public side and a privatre side, but you need to set the context for your posts so that we can "grok" where you are coming from. You are mixing public and private processes when you talk about "lawsuits" and creditors and debtors, and then in the next breath you talk about administrative liens and Winston Shrout. Throw in a little Fulford, and "Wholla", we have ourselves an incontrovertible academic correlation!

So, why not just tell us that you are a proponent of the "private side" remedies which have ALWAYS been executed, and then add the links for these ALWAYS executed liens?

Keenan was a total idiot filing a lawsuit in New York Federal Court, when he should have well known that siting global defendants would not fly jurisdictionally. So, what does he do? He rescinds and withdraws that lawsuit and files Winston Shrout's Administrative Notice and liens with the Hague?

And since you are such a proponenet of the private side remedy, would you please show us how this is the Coup D'etat which will bring the whole enchilada down?

I am not the one jumping around, I am just trying to answer all the darts and address the issues as I see them pop up, I didn't go back and rewrite all my posts, like you guys did apparently... so that is a bit of a red herring... (again...) glad that you and I are on the same page, and I do recall your presence on a few of my posts... and I do take issue with some of Pauls tactics, but it seems you are mixing yourself in there, and I would like to keep those issues separate, as I hope you would too...

re: public/private... I will say this...
I personally think that the issue of private and public is one of the most complex ones there is, in my first couple of years of research, it was never even addressed by my cohorts (partners in crime...lol) and ever since then it has never been properly agreed on, this is not a bad thing, as anyone who says they 'got it figured out' can't be accurate imo...

the reason being the wording is properly not accurate, I don't think the words 'public' and 'private' can are the proper terms, they are way too inaccurate, and the terms themselves are relative, not to go off topic, but it is like this, (something I can better explain by example... I hope) stimulus and response are used in animal behaviour, and it sounds straight forward enough, one provides a 'stimulus', and there is a 'response' - simple re'lationship... but they are interchangeable labels in a different context... the 'response' can now become a stimulus if it in turn triggers another 'response'... so what I am trying to say is these terms are limited and can quickly be confusing and inaccurate.

So I don't pretend to actually know exactly how their system works, I can only say (maybe regretfully...) I have spent hundreds of hours reading and watching lectures, and Winston speaks in terms of concepts and principles a lot more then applications as well (a fair and common complaint) precisely because much of the information was derived from deduction, and from anomalies exposed in court cases, and so on... or interviewing people who discovered and exposed things, I have experienced some of this myself... and if you haven't experienced it, it is like trying to explain seeing a UFO (I haven't seen one for sure, just saying)

Anyhow regards your questions, I can't summarize these types of answers anymore then I can share my degree with you... but in it's simplest terms, I think you are getting at what is the end game... ??

No one obviously knows, but given the big picture, the US borrowed a lot of money, then according to Shrout, the 3rd and last 70 period of bankruptcy ended in 2000. (and he does go into that from 1776 on...) The corporations all still operate in bankruptcy because it suits them. We the people though for the first time in 70 years are able to come out of bankruptcy if we wish. That is Winston's big take home message to people, believe it or not. Problem is though we have forgotten after all these generations what it looks like and just as Thomas Jefferson stated the Banks would grow up around us until we were homeless and deprived (or something like that...) I mean what could be more prophetic, especially given the time that he said it...

Anyeeeeeway. flash forward to the present, there is something interesting that the US, if Winston is correct, it technically out of it's 3rd and final bankruptcy as of 1999, decides to go on a spending spree, when it started to accelerate the known 'public' debt that was around 3 of 4 trillion before Bush, and as we all known has literally ballooned to well over 16 trillion and more by now I am sure....

What is that all about? I don't know exactly, but let's put it simply, there was some kind of 'private bankruptcy' that the US went through for the last 200 years, it ended, they went on a spending spree after that, and have been arming themselves for WWIII ever since the 50's ... China and other creditors countries want their gold back and want to buy hard assets instead of paper,

The creditor is calling in his loans... the debtor has blown the money on military hardware arming himself to the teeth... a lien is just a default, a record of money owed according to some contract, that is being dishonoured.

I think the US would love to get out of this debt, by causing a WWIII and anyone following the conspiracy would know that this has been an illuminati plan since many many decades back... when all this was unknown, but I think because of the information age, EVERYTHING has changed, here you are I talking about it.... (go figure...) and now the rest of the world has caught up to this "Global economic game" that I do think was created by the Romans (the Vatican today)

The rest of the world just wants their hard assets back and wants to live and enjoy the fruits of their labour, the Romans and their Anglo Saxon 'partners' in crime have been planning World Domination since who knows how long...

The US is just as much a pawn as a player, but they have invested themselves in WAR, and have been making a business of WAR, and have been killing millions in the name of US dollar supremacy (their leverage system of controlling other economies with the blessing of the Vatican and the Inner City of London, and whatever relation Isreal has in all this... )

So East is pushing the game into the courts, literally playing the system created by the West and demanding they stick to their own convention... The US/Inner London/Vatican was planning on and investing in WWII, and the payoff to the US was going to be like 9/11, they were going to "blow up" all their credit records...

but since alot of other parties are aware of their INTENTIONS... they have rightly cried foul... Even in war, apparently there are rules... that is my interpretation... as simplified as I can make it... given what I feel I understand...

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what you are saying you don't know how to click on someone profile and look up their posts? you want me to do it for you...???[COLOR="red"]

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By the way, not trying to gang up here...just trying to understand
of course not...


Give me a friggin break. Just so you know, I've read all of David Wilcocks "The Lawsuit To End ALL Lawsuits" and his other dribble about administrative liens and their force and effect, and I've studied Winston Shrout and his administrative processes for years, so you are not dealing with a neophite here when it comes to public and private remedies.
So then why would you ask me if you got it all in your head (so to speak)


But, for you to espouse that the private remedy of Noticing the Hague and filing a lien with the world court is the answer, I just asked... Where the proof? SHOW ME ONE administrative lien where restitution has EVER been paid out?
I think I'm starting to get this game, were doing a huge misdirection on all the posts that were re-written from yesterday.... ???
and this quote of yours is pretty funny, as I have never mentioned the Hague, but only in reference to your mention... check the previous posts and don't ask me to look it up for you, please...


Sorry if I'm not jumping on your White Dragon Society, Keenan, Fulford, Wilcock, Drake and Shrout dog and pony show bandwagon to sovereignty and freedom. It's a bunch of crap until you prove otherwise, which you can't, which is why you deflected me down a rabbit hole instead of addressing the administrative remedy ISSUES which you have incontrovertibly used as a basis for your claim to be 99% correlate.
Whew, now your really spouting, I like how you mixed Drake in there... no even knows who that guy is, regardless that Wilcock accepted him, I am sure he regrets it, he is as flaky as your whole statement...

Shrout has a body of over 10 years of research, face it you studied it, you didn't get it, and therefore your going back to my exact same criticism... the "ignorance is proof I'm right argument..." listen there is a lot of that material many of us don't understand, but just because it is difficult is not an excuse, and it has nothing to do with your education, this is material that could be studied for years, the Trust issue alone would take years... as anyone who seriously looked at it,

So don't spin your ignorance into a higher moral ground argument Grip, that is not becoming of you... you can do better then that...

[sigma6]

Yep, I'm not seeing a response to the question, which is why I asked....I've never heard of administrative liens "always being executed" on the world court, maybe I missed it, but that's why your comment got my attention- would be interested in seeing some links to that one.

Interesting that you are using the phrase "administrative liens" that's not a direct quote of anything I have posted here, perchance you have some prior knowledge background regarding something referred to as "administrative liens"...?? that you are specifically trying to get at?

Use the search engine included on this site, I did make a reference to Winston making reference to aiding certain European countries about their loans being non existent, and Fulfords material talks about liens, but I am not sure if he specifically made reference to it as "administrative liens" btw either, and where exactly, or what exactly are you making reference to when you say "administrative liens" since you didn't get it from me phrased as such... I'm pretty sure...

[gripreaper]

You sited Wilcock and Shrout and the administrative liens. Just because you failed to mention the Hague, is it such a stretch to add that these were filed at the Hague or world court?

Please, I did not rewrite my posts from yesterday. I've been fairly clear here. It is not a proven fact that Winston Shrouts administrative process is the global remedy for what ails the nations who got in bed with the Federal Reserve.

If you wish to see it that way, that is your choice.

You only have two remedies, the Private administrative or the Public judicial. That is where I get "Administrative" from, Winston Shrout.

[sigma6]

Posting on this split of the original;

We are seeing a lot of evidence that these sick freaks now have their backs against the wall. The question is will there be real movement to toss them off of their Thrown... or will cohorts have each other’s backs as in centuries past? There is real opportunity here, but I am not holding my breath. I have worked in Mil Intel and IT Net Security in Financial Institutions (Including the Federal Reserve Bank) for more than half of my life and have had my hopes up too many times and then see no progress even after great sacrifice of brave people. The things I have witnessed firsthand and just plain stumbled across in my professional life are amazing/sickening.

I really do not think the evil empire will collapse until each of us take to the streets and demand it. They are dug in like a tic and have no reason to clean things up themselves. This is not just some fun conspiracy theory role playing game that we can pop in and put on a personality, contribute or somewhat innocently "Make Up" some new NEWS in the absence of updates from Avalon/Camelot, David Wilcock, or David Icke. There is a lot of uneasiness in the voices of people within the Military and NGO’s in what could be an interesting time after the elections. Giving plenty of fuel to the propaganda machines.

I have to say we need to either be people of action or sit back and read about it. There has been so much propaganda lately that it has been blurring the entire battle field. I am in no place to really lecture anyone. Just to ask that you think before you post or re-post "Intel", to be willing to put yourself and your reputation on the line... for real... and please try to be circumspect on info that you pass along. I have been used before to pass on bad Intel and it is a horrible feeling when you realize you have been a TOOL and that your reputation has been tainted forever.

There is more organization within the enemies of the “Elite of the West” than I have ever seen. I hope every opportunity is seized and we get some movement on this soon for us all.

Wow, I missed this completely, this is exactly my pet peeve, it seems others are hell bent on some really bizaare and petty issues that are starting to distort the reality of what is going on here, and I think I have clearly stated who is doing what and how their petty vindictive (albeit passive aggressive) shenagins are starting to really degrade the quality of communication "imho"

But anyhooo.... I wish GoodeTXS that more people would have responded along these lines as you have ... because that is the issue isn't it, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, OR WHEN... and I say it came pretty damn close when they posted that headline, and this may sound crass, but that man lost his children, I would wish he had stuck to his guns for their sake and for the sacrifice already made, (but I understand if he was so emotionally destroyed that he couldn't) but I wish he would have kept that article up and posted the murder of his children ON THE SAME PAGE!

Instead we have this huge load of 'ego displacement' crap going on by someone who doesn't want to own up and call a spade a spade and now they are using their positions and relations to turn this into propaganda attack, COMPLETELY DEFLECTING AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL ISSUE HERE... (I don't think others care that Paul made a couple of mistakes on others threads, but I have no choice but to mention it to show exactly the genesis of this game, and who started what... now it is that much more worse and exposed isn't it... what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here...)

[Referee]

I have to side with Sigma6 on this (although his tone is harsh ) may I mention the attack on Tellinger and his family a couple days ago and now this. I agree we are starting to see a giant mob war at the top. I have always liked Fulford, he, the White Dragon's, Tellinger and Drake seem to have a pulse here with this news. When you break it all down it really is simple the US corporation owes a ton of money to a lot of people. Legit or not does not matter. The Loan Sharks are coming.The European Cabal is getting their marker's called and something has to give. Will we see a coup or will the US be taken over financially.

PS The Mob Never Likes this much publicity. This was a Major Major Hit they are running scared making bad decisions IMO

[sigma6]

You sited Wilcock and Shrout and the administrative liens. Just because you failed to mention the Hague, is it such a stretch to add that these were filed at the Hague or world court?

Please, I did not rewrite my posts from yesterday. I've been fairly clear here. It is not a proven fact that Winston Shrouts administrative process is the global remedy for what ails the nations who got in bed with the Federal Reserve.

If you wish to see it that way, that is your choice.

You only have two remedies, the Private administrative or the Public judicial. That is where I get "Administrative" from, Winston Shrout.


HA! no quote on where I used the specific term "adminstrative lien" ... and it is a teeny problem you tried to place your quote on me.. I don't think so bud, that's is 100% consistent with what I am calling "misdirection" ... at the very least own it, all that reference is on you on this thread so if it is relevant to you speak on it...

Winston Shrout didn't invent liens, he is just explaining how powerful they are. It is more complicated than you or I understand, let's not pretend here... like I said stick to what we know, I only know that a lot of what goes around for money today, especially in a fiat currency system, is in fact actually debt, if you followed Winston on the lien issue at all you know that a lien can become an asset in someone elses accounting records, I mention this because some may have watched "Money as Debt" if you haven't that is a wonderful tidbit of information... (tidbit, relative to what we are looking at here)

and we only have two remedies? it's really that simple? well I do declare... I am clarified!... I can understand how daunting those rabbit holes must look now...

[sigma6]

I have to side with Sigma6 on this (although his tone is harsh ) may I mention the attack on Tellinger and his family a couple days ago and now this. I agree we are starting to see a giant mob war at the top. I have always liked Fulford, he, the White Dragon's, Tellinger and Drake seem to have a pulse here with this news. When you break it all down it really is simple the US corporation owes a ton of money to a lot of people. Legit or not does not matter. The Loan Sharks are coming.The European Cabal is getting their marker's called and something has to give. Will we see a coup or will the US be taken over financially.

PS The Mob Never Likes this much publicity. This was a Major Major Hit they are running scared making bad decisions IMO

I didn't know about Tellinger, but yes, what I am saying was pretty straight forward I thought, it is getting nasty, and the fact this was so blatant... so out in the open, the only crime is denying it's existence! This is a real chance for the conspiracy theorists to wake up a few million people. This one has viral potential. THIS HAS POTENTIAL. When was the last time a front page was retracted, the Roswell incident? Was there any explanation or retractions statement? or denial it was inaccurate?

update: and btw isn't it always interesting when the 'government' retracts a front page, it is always followed with threats of violence, (evidence of corruption)

And I agree with you that they must be running scared to pull off something so brazen, they would have to be desperate, thanks Ref for seeing what I am seeing... In fact now that you mention it in that light, I wonder if that could account for the nature of the multiple stabbings, just who did it? and how "emotionally" involved were they?... I don't believe the nanny did it at all, that would be too complicated to orchestrate, I think she was supposed to be "suicided" but they missed her jugular in the haste and carnage... (no wonder she is 'catatonic'... she just survived a massacre...)

Another possible interpretation is that it is indication of a ritual type killing, it brings back memories of one of the molecular biologists who were murdered during the failed H1N1 pandemic, (they made trillions on that deal) where the PhD student was stabbed hundreds of times all over their body (who would have the time... and what is going through their minds( seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy nine, eighty.... ) I would like to know more details as gruesome as that sounds to get a sense of the scene...

[gripreaper]

Instead we have this huge load of 'ego displacement' crap going on by someone who doesn't want to own up and call a spade a spade and now they are using their positions and relations to turn this into propaganda attack, COMPLETELY DEFLECTING AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL ISSUE HERE... (I don't think others care that Paul made a couple of mistakes on others threads, but I have no choice but to mention it to show exactly the genesis of this game, and who started what... now it is that much more worse and exposed isn't it... what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here...)

I'm calling bulsh!t on this one. In no way was I deflecting from the central issue. This thread was split because YOU asked two questions: Tell me then, what is the US debt according to you?? and what is the US Gross National product according to you... ?

and you made this blatantly FALSE statement here:

Posted by sigma6 (here)
and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

You stated the LIENS ARE ALWAYS EXECUTED and have made NO attempt to qualify this statement, or provide any links whatsoever.

So quit using character assasination and condescending deflections. Since you are an academic and potentially schooled in proper debate tactics, you should realize that attacking the messenger and deflecting from the points you incontrovertibly claim are FACTS, without backing them up, means you LOST the debate.

So, your "what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here..." says to me that you are the one deflecting here.

[sigma6]

Instead we have this huge load of 'ego displacement' crap going on by someone who doesn't want to own up and call a spade a spade and now they are using their positions and relations to turn this into propaganda attack, COMPLETELY DEFLECTING AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL ISSUE HERE... (I don't think others care that Paul made a couple of mistakes on others threads, but I have no choice but to mention it to show exactly the genesis of this game, and who started what... now it is that much more worse and exposed isn't it... what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here...)

I'm calling bulsh!t on this one. In no way was I deflecting from the central issue. This thread was split because YOU asked two questions: Tell me then, what is the US debt according to you?? and what is the US Gross National product according to you... ?

and you made this blatantly FALSE statement here:

Posted by sigma6 (here)
and liens are a serious business, and when an entire country liens another it is VERY serious... to say the least... because lien are ALWAYS executed, so that fact

You stated the LIENS ARE ALWAYS EXECUTED and have made NO attempt to qualify this statement, or provide any links whatsoever.

So quit using character assasination and condescending deflections. Since you are an academic and potentially schooled in proper debate tactics, you should realize that attacking the messenger and deflecting from the points you incontrovertibly claim are FACTS, without backing them up, means you LOST the debate.

So, your "what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here..." says to me that you are the one deflecting here.

holy crap man pull your head out... what the heck do you think a lien is, and why don't you answer the question, remember you were the one saying 43 trillion is no big deal, so the question is how does that compare to publicly admitted debts and the GNP?

Liens are serious business, if they don't agree to the amount owing it does give the other party right to take physical property, holy crap man, there are millions of people in the US right now that can attest to this... what planet are you on... enough with your distracting, I am sure Paul is deeply indebted to your efforts but your borderlining on nonsensical and it has so very little to do with the central issue...

illuminati exposure that just happens to fit with Fulford's explanation... whether you and Paul like him or not... give it a rest dude... I accept your bias, I just don't agree ok? (and you're not helping that argument either... )

Besides it all being random (but still a mob hit as agreed to by Grip?) does anyone have a better explanation?... seriously?...

get a grip Grip!!!

[gripreaper]

I have to side with Sigma6 on this (although his tone is harsh ) may I mention the attack on Tellinger and his family a couple days ago and now this. I agree we are starting to see a giant mob war at the top. I have always liked Fulford, he, the White Dragon's, Tellinger and Drake seem to have a pulse here with this news. When you break it all down it really is simple the US corporation owes a ton of money to a lot of people. Legit or not does not matter. The Loan Sharks are coming.The European Cabal is getting their marker's called and something has to give. Will we see a coup or will the US be taken over financially.

PS The Mob Never Likes this much publicity. This was a Major Major Hit they are running scared making bad decisions IMO

Finally someone calls it straight. Thanks referee (interesting moniker for this response) for being succinct and erudite.

[we-R-one]

Yep, I'm not seeing a response to the question, which is why I asked....I've never heard of administrative liens "always being executed" on the world court, maybe I missed it, but that's why your comment got my attention- would be interested in seeing some links to that one.

Interesting that you are using the phrase "administrative liens" that's not a direct quote of anything I have posted here, perchance you have some prior knowledge background regarding something referred to as "administrative liens"...?? that you are specifically trying to get at?

Use the search engine included on this site, I did make a reference to Winston making reference to aiding certain European countries about their loans being non existent, and Fulfords material talks about liens, but I am not sure if he specifically made reference to it as "administrative liens" btw either, and where exactly, or what exactly are you making reference to when you say "administrative liens" since you didn't get it from me phrased as such... I'm pretty sure...

I'm not looking to go down the Fulford's rabbit hole as being gospel and just cause he "says" doesn't make what he's saying to be true. You stated, "because lien are ALWAYS executed" back on post #31. So I'm asking for further elaboration on your remark in which I'm not seeing an answer.

There is no interest in ganging up on you, frankly I don't have the time and personally I'm not into bullying. I do have some legal background as does gripreaper. So I think he was asking the same question as myself because to the best of our knowledge what you're saying isn't true which is why we were asking for clarification. I don't care if you mis-spoke or made an error, I was just curious by this statement as it goes against what I have known to be true. If you can prove otherwise, well, awesome.....I'd be glad to know.

[sigma6]

you have a problem with the ideas that liens are serious? that they cannot be undone or ignored, that they are always acted on... you want me to explain to what a lien is...

if you have all this background why don't you share some of your understanding, by just telling us what you think a lien is and then posing a question within the context of your understanding so that I can figure out where you are coming from... regarding the basic characterisation of a lien above... that is basically my understanding...

but I am open to your interpretation if you would like to add to that or if you have a different understanding... by all means please contribute, although it really isn't what the central topic is here, but I can see that others have other agendas apparently...

[gripreaper]

holy crap man pull your head out... what the heck do you think a lien is, and why don't you answer the question, remember you were the one saying 43 trillion is no big deal, so the question is how does that compare to publicly admitted debts and the GNP?

Liens are serious business, if they don't agree to the amount owing it does give the other party right to take physical property, holy crap man, there are millions of people in the US right now that can attest to this... what planet are you on... enough with your distracting, I am sure Paul is deeply indebted to your efforts but your borderlining on nonsensical and it has so very little to do with the central issue... illuminati exposure that just happens to fit with Fulford's explanation...

If you file a judicial "cause of action" which has a provable cause for "which relief can be granted", then the "order" is filed with the court AFTER the court case has been heard and all of the evidence presented. THEN a lien is filed and can be executed.

With Winston Shrouts administrative process, to give Notice administratively, telling the world that some other party owes you compensation, and you add to that a "lien notice" indicating the amount, IT IS NOT A JUDICIAL ORDER which can be effectively collected on.

You claim to have studied Winston Shrout processes, yet you STILL CANNOT site ONE instance where ANY administrative lien notice has EVER been collected.

Please quit it with your condecending remarks and just stick to the facts.

[Referee]

Yep, I'm not seeing a response to the question, which is why I asked....I've never heard of administrative liens "always being executed" on the world court, maybe I missed it, but that's why your comment got my attention- would be interested in seeing some links to that one.

Interesting that you are using the phrase "administrative liens" that's not a direct quote of anything I have posted here, perchance you have some prior knowledge background regarding something referred to as "administrative liens"...?? that you are specifically trying to get at?

Use the search engine included on this site, I did make a reference to Winston making reference to aiding certain European countries about their loans being non existent, and Fulfords material talks about liens, but I am not sure if he specifically made reference to it as "administrative liens" btw either, and where exactly, or what exactly are you making reference to when you say "administrative liens" since you didn't get it from me phrased as such... I'm pretty sure...

I'm not looking to go down the Fulford's rabbit hole as being gospel and just cause he "says" doesn't make what he's saying to be true. You stated, "because lien are ALWAYS executed" back on post #31. So I'm asking for further elaboration on your remark in which I'm not seeing an answer.

There is no interest in ganging up on you, frankly I don't have the time and personally I'm not into bullying. I do have some legal background as does gripreaper. So I think he was asking the same question as myself because to the best of our knowledge what you're saying isn't true which is why we were asking for clarification. I don't care if you mis-spoke or made an error, I was just curious by this statement as it goes against what I have known to be true. If you can prove otherwise, well, awesome.....I'd be glad to know.


I think what Sigma6 and Fulford and Tellinger and the White Dragons and Drake are trying to say is the the marker's (gambling debt) are ALWAYS called eventually. Not paying up is not an option.

[sigma6]

Remember that movie National Treasure, I think there were a few hidden messages in that 'cute' movie... remember when the character played by Harvey Keitel (and was wearing an illuminati ring too) says "someone always has to go to jail..." in a way he is referring to their system where everything is a liability... thus the musical chairs metaphor, or as Fulford calls it "horse trading", or what I would call "jockeying for position" ... yeah something is coming down... I would rather wish it wasn't... but something has to be coming down, and now someone on this forum has a post on mass layoffs? (another indicator...) looks like someone has it in for the Obama 'front'

[sigma6]

If you file a judicial "cause of action" which has a provable cause for "which relief can be granted", then the "order" is filed with the court AFTER the court case has been heard and all of the evidence presented. THEN a lien is filed and can be executed.
With Winston Shrouts administrative process, to give Notice administratively, telling the world that some other party owes you compensation, and you add to that a "lien notice" indicating the amount, IT IS NOT A JUDICIAL ORDER which can be effectively collected on.
You claim to have studied Winston Shrout processes, yet you STILL CANNOT site ONE instance where ANY administrative lien notice has EVER been collected.
Please quit it with your condecending remarks and just stick to the facts.

this is really getting off topic, (and your ranting tedious) I am not quite sure what you are obsessing at here, NO I haven't done a lien process, and according to Winston it goes through 7 steps before it becomes a full commercial lien (I think it starts as a notice of claim?) and in his example,he cited someone who used it to be filed by his accountant as an asset and then borrowed funds against it, basically getting it recognized by a bank as a collection note, promise to pay, (right? money is debt?) So it is the Bank (remember the court is a bank too) that still has to recognize it's legitimacy and monetize it, as far as that is concerned, if your looking for a get rich quick scheme, don't bother... most of the times the banks and IRS are abusing it and harming innocent men and women and their families... despicable in that regard...

it is essentially a financial act of war, a claim to another's property... that is my only interest in it regarding what is going on... give it rest Grip,


NEWS FLASH:

remember there was a news article?... and the vice president of MSNBC (previous ex Yahoo exec too?) his children got slain within 24 hours of him posting a 43 trillion dollar scandal on the front page of a digital mainstream news source? enough to expose to the entire planet to the fact that the US government is essentially run by a crime syndicate...

[gripreaper]

If you file a judicial "cause of action" which has a provable cause for "which relief can be granted", then the "order" is filed with the court AFTER the court case has been heard and all of the evidence presented. THEN a lien is filed and can be executed. With Winston Shrouts administrative process, to give Notice administratively, telling the world that some other party owes you compensation, and you add to that a "lien notice" indicating the amount, IT IS NOT A JUDICIAL ORDER which can be effectively collected on. You claim to have studied Winston Shrout processes, yet you STILL CANNOT site ONE instance where ANY administrative lien notice has EVER been collected.

This is really getting off topic, (and your ranting tedious) I am not quite sure what you are obsessing at here, NO I haven't done a lien process, and according to Winston it goes through 7 steps before it becomes a full commercial lien (I think it starts as a notice of claim?) and in his example,he cited someone who used it to be filed by his accountant as an asset and then borrowed funds against it, basically getting it recognized by a bank as a collection note, promise to pay, (right? money is debt?) So it is the Bank (remember the court is a bank too) that still has to recognize it's legitimacy and monetize it,

This is kind of a round about way of answering the lien question. Winston Shrout said this, he said that, and I think there was someone who was able to borrow against it... anyway, they should be able to collect, right? NO facts or links to your obtuse explanation.


NEWS FLASH:


remember there was a news article?... and the vice president of MSNBC (previous ex Yahoo exec too?) his children got slain within 24 hours of him posting a 43 trillion dollar scandal on the front page of a digital mainstream news source? enough to expose to the entire planet to the fact that the US government is essentially run by a crime syndicate...

Why didn't you just make this claim in the first page of this thread, and give others the opportunity to absorb the veracity of such a heinous crime against humanity, like referee did?

[we-R-one]

This is kind of a round about way of answering the lien question. Winston Shrout said this, he said that, and I think there was someone who was able to borrow against it... anyway, they should be able to collect, right? NO facts or links to your obtuse explanation.

I'm gonna take it that he probably mis-spoke and isn't able to verify what we're asking for ...it'd be nice to think that "liens are always executed", but I haven't found that to be the case. That's why his remark caught my attention and I wanted to know more; and I think you interpreted what he was implying in the same manner that I did.

[sigma6]

hard to take you guys seriously...


I'm gonna take it that he probably mis-spoke and isn't able to verify what we're asking for ...it'd be nice to think that "liens are always executed", but I haven't found that to be the case. That's why his remark caught my attention and I wanted to know more; and I think you interpreted what he was implying in the same manner that I did.

Instead of pretending I'm the know it all I make reference to others work, and you don't have to "guess" I probably mis-spoke, like you keep trying to pretend, go do some research, obviously if you are sitting on the computer you have access to the internet, your comments are kind of weird how you expect others to spoon feed you, but when asked to put something forward you are completely absent any response... anyone going back and following the thread is going to see the disparity and denial... if you found that not to be the case ... where is your example... can you see the hypocrisy?

When someone who knows what they are doing, like the IRS for example proceeds to lien someone, they do always execute, in fact Winston's whole anotomy of the lien process was from studying the IRS, and of whom he said "they are doing it right" but of course you studied Winston and I just figured you already knew that...

and the issue is still

about the vice president of MSNBC (previous ex Yahoo exec too?) his children got slain within 24 hours of him posting a 43 trillion dollar scandal on the front page of a digital mainstream news source? enough to expose to the entire planet to the fact that the US government is essentially run by a crime syndicate... since you guys are quite intent on distracting from it... I'll just post it up here again... ;-)

[ThePythonicCow]

Why didn't you just make this claim in the first page of this thread, and give others the opportunity to absorb the veracity of such a heinous crime against humanity, like referee did?
I slept well.

After a quick skim just now of the most recent several hours of this thread, I am glad I split this thread.

I continue to think that sigma6's anger (well justified though it surely is) has overloaded his other mental circuits, making it very difficult for him to present his views coherently, and making him perceive the inquiries of others only as clueless provocation, likely justifying more of his semi-incoherent ranting.

I further think that such highly energized and incoherent anger disrupts the discussions on this forum, and therefore ultimately plays into the hands of the very bastards that sigma6 and I would both dearly prefer to roast in Hades for eternity.

Unfortunately any effort on my part to moderate such incoherent anger (such as the earlier splitting this thread, or the present making of this post) will undoubtedly be perceived by sigma6 as yet more clueless provocation, likely justifying yet more semi-incoherent ranting.

sigma6 - I will state this as plainly as I am able. When I ask you what you meant by something, it doesn't mean I'm stupid, and it doesn't mean I think you're wrong or stupid, and it doesn't mean that I don't get that you're pissed, and it doesn't mean that I don't think you have good reason to be pissed. It means I am not sure what you meant, and I think that's because you did not coherently say what you meant.

Cranking up the anger, throwing out more accusations, ... does NOT help. It makes it more difficult.

[sigma6]

I see you were up pretty late last night doing a little re-editing... (lol) is that why they were asking if you got any sleep?

and of course I can see once again you are trying to deflect away from your own attempts at disruption, it wasn't me to insist that everything is purely random because there is no proof, and Paul while you are making all your misleading misrepresentations there is still the issue anyone can go back to regarding why you are changing other people's content when it suits your whim, and I see at hear you are back to actually letting us know when you make these changes... quite unlike what happened on the Fulford thread under the conspiracy section...

this tactic of waiting til you suspect the other party has left and sneaking in phony conversational 'projections' is a little canned after doing it now how many times...?

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Mod-edit:The above post is as sigma6 original wrote it, and subsequently edited it, within a few minutes thereafter, adding the second and third paragraph.

He subsequently edited it further, changing some and adding substantially more, in response to the next post #61 below of mine.

I have placed the final, longer, version of his post in a new post #63, so that it can be seen in its proper place, as a response to my post #61.

-Paul.
]

[ThePythonicCow]

oh god now your projecting 'anger' on me, that is too rich, I guess since I am present in real time, it's better to just make up your own assumptions?

I see you were up pretty late last night doing a little re-editing... (lol) is that why they were asking if you got any sleep?

What's this "re-editing" you refer to?

[ThePythonicCow]

What's this "re-editing" you refer to?
For the record, sigma6 went back and edited his Post #60 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51407-Thread-split-CNBC-Execs-Children-Murdered-and-Bankster-Lawsuits&p=575742&viewfull=1#post575742) after I posted this question to him, and added in substantially more material, apparently in response to this question of mine.

To keep the record straight, as to who said what in response to whom, I will now split sigma6's post #60 into two posts, leaving what he said prior to my post #61 in its place in post #60, and moving what he said afterward to a new post #63, right below.

I am closing this thread for a few minutes while I do that.

[ThePythonicCow]

See Mod-edit below - the following words are those of sigma6. They are not my words.

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fine words, but unfortunately I have been fending off this hatchet job by your friends here for the last several hours, I think the goal is talk about anything except the issue at hand and then pretend it's my fault because I can't quote legal references to loaded questions?? So they have done a fine job in that dept, but at what cost, as this now a record, these types of conversations I find caddy and a disgusting waste in conversation, but the people who play that game I don't realize that it doesn't work the same way on a forum, since in conversation it relies on denial and changing one's story repeatedly, in print that just doesn't fly the same way... (unless of course you actually feel the need to go back and change your own messages...)

Why do you think, that I think you are stupid Paul, isn't that setting up your own stage again? Believe me Paul I really don't think the issue is that you are stupid. I don't recall even intimating, insinuating, suggesting, or making reference to the idea that you are stupid, like Grip, I am going to say that you are trying to avoid what I am saying... by creating suppositions from your own interpretations, and then projecting them on me, and then trying to argue/defend/whatever but that is what it is... projecting.

My issue was clear, as the references I put in up here are clear. And I think that my hunch was correct... that it IS an IMPORTANT issue...

Honestly, what would you think if I followed you all around the forum making 'seeming' innocuous (or obtuse, I think Grip like's my word here) comments like yours, and altering, albeit ever so slightly the Titles to your threads and posts?

And when asked, providing no response?...

Never did get a real explanation on that... and now you want to critique everything I say because I demanded my content be returned back to it's original expression?

here is the reference, just for the record:
it looks to have started somewhere around section #22
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=558850&viewfull=1#post558850

then suddenly and without any notice, as grip would like to say "wholla" someone had changed the the text in the title, with no mention, no explanation, no reference... and the weird avoidance of any response to several enquiries...

I don't see anyone pulling any quotes from that unfortunately... and I know that I am not trying to bury the issue with a bunch of drivel, in fact, I would encourage anyone to go back and do their own due diligence...
here's the link...

Section #36 and read the context before (unless someone has edited that too?)
You keep trying to distract from the original issue and I will keep refocusing...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=568196&viewfull=1#post568196

Lets keep tabs from now on, there is no question this kind of superficiality greatly degrades the quality of content, and why do you think that is...

... put quite simply it is underhanded, and I think others, if they have it brought to their attention and it is kept on focus, and if shown the chain of context WILL be able to see... despite the 'malarky'...

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Mod-edit:

The above post is what sigma6 ended up posting as the final edited version of what was originally Post #60 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51407-Thread-split-CNBC-Execs-Children-Murdered-and-Bankster-Lawsuits&p=575742&viewfull=1#post575742). Since he wrote that final edited version after I posted #61, and in rather obvious response to my post #61, I am placing this copy of his final post here in this post #63, so that it is easier to see who wrote what in response to what.

-Paul.
]

[ThePythonicCow]

At the same time as sigma6 was composing what is now posted just above in post #63, the moderation team met and decided to send sigma6 on vacation for one week.

His posts were becoming too rude and disruptive. Hopefully he can use this time to cool down.

This thread is now reopen.

[Sidney]

Very Simply..................I don't believe in coincidence. (almost never to be precise). I too am appalled. My condolences to that family. That said, maybe this is one more ingredient of the mixture called WAKE UP!

[gripreaper]

Just to be clear, the point of the orignal thread was to shed light on the irregular and bizzare nature of the event, a CNBC top executive, who alledgedly let out a news story without going through the proper channels, had his family brutally slaughtered by their trusted nanny, who then alledgedly attempted to take her own life by slitting her throat.

I don't think anyone here would disagree that the nature of this event is highly suspicious and irregular, or that the suppositions (which is what they are) occured as a result of the "backed into a corner running scared" elite airing their dirty laundry and sending a strong message to all media types to follow protocol or your family will suffer the same fate, while the nature of judicial lawsuits within the very elite trubunal known as courts, are highly suspect and rarely, if ever, go in favor of anyone but the banksters and their cronies, and that the White Dragon Society, Fulford, Keenan, and Shrout method of administrative Notice filed with the Hague or world court has NEVER been proven to work, somehow perfecting a commercial lien which is then honored by the bankster cabal and their fiat debt fractional reserve banking system of currency, and issuing to the lienholder bankrupt and worthless dollar reserve currency, or gold for that matter.

Yes, these are two separate issues. The issue of the awful slaughter of the family, and the provocation for such an event, and the inevitable fallout to both the family whose children will never come back, and the ripples sent out into the collective consciousness, of both those media peers of this man, as well as the sleeping masses and how they will awaken to the atrocities of their govenment and who really owns and runs things.

I assure you, until this new territory on some Winston Shrout administrative commercial lien is perfected and honored by the banks, it's just hearsay and Winston Shrout has NO track record of proving that it does, even though he is right that the process does exist as a private remedy. No bank has ever honored any administrative process, as far as I know, and to ask for some proof of same is not out of line, based on statements of fact which are "incontrovertibly correlate" (to use Sigma's own words) is at best misleading, and at worst selling ideas which have not worked.

So, a family getting brutally murdered for a press release about a lawsuit, just does not add up.

My sincerest pardon to those who had to go through the last few hours of posts. I just find it quite disheartening when others, who may not be as up to speed to the corruptness of the elite, or their abject disrespect for human life, also their perverse nature in the way they handle things, which is alot for anyone to absorb, should not have been afforded some "grace" by Sigma. That would have been appropriate to extend to others, rather than condescending and patronizing "barbs".

[we-R-one]

Instead we have this huge load of 'ego displacement' crap going on by someone who doesn't want to own up and call a spade a spade and now they are using their positions and relations to turn this into propaganda attack, COMPLETELY DEFLECTING AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL ISSUE HERE... (I don't think others care that Paul made a couple of mistakes on others threads, but I have no choice but to mention it to show exactly the genesis of this game, and who started what... now it is that much more worse and exposed isn't it... what does that say... despite Grips and his other friend's attempts re-direct here...)

For the record, there was no intention on my part to "deflect away from the central issue here" as you have stated. And though I consider gripreaper a friend, we're not operating under any malicious mission together. We do share similar viewpoints, which is why we were asking for clarification on the same topic. I was just seeking some verification and nothing more. It's possible what you said and what you meant were two different things, as Referee tried to interpret the meaning behind your post.

My earlier remarks about the Coup D'etat was merely to be funny and not referenced towards you Sigma6, as these stories get so ridiculous I can hardly take it anymore. As far as I'm concerned the Coup D'etat occurred long ago. So when you have a basic understanding of what's happened in the past, a headline like that makes you kinda laugh, it does not mean that I think the situation about the children is a laughing matter.

I have no ill will towards you and wish you well.

[modwiz]

Me no makee mischief. The archons made me do it.

Might as well have some fun. The soul and mind of this thread is gone for a week. Unless he does a 9eagle and not return.

[ThePythonicCow]

I know she [9eagle9] made a brief post earlier this week and then had it pulled.
Minor correction (unless I have the wrong post in mind):




9eagle9 didn't pull her post of a week ago. She opened a thread and had it closed after her first post, out of quiet respect for Russell Means.

See here: Russell Means (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51182-Russell-Means&p=572451&viewfull=1#post572451).

[modwiz]

I know she [9eagle9] made a brief post earlier this week and then had it pulled.
Minor correction (unless I have the wrong post in mind):




9eagle9 didn't pull her post of a week ago. She opened a thread and had it closed after her first post, out of quiet respect for Russell Means.

See here: Russell Means (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51182-Russell-Means&p=572451&viewfull=1#post572451).

Thank you Paul. I would rather be corrected than wrong.

I have edited my post to reflect this.

[gripreaper]

Me no makee mischief. The archons made me do it.

Might as well have some fun. The soul and mind of this thread is gone for a week.

What do you mean? Do you mean you agree with all of Sigma's points, and therefore, since he wont be around for the next week, there is no point in continuing without this "heart and soul"? Is that because his points are the only valid points? Or should I continue to speculate about what you mean by the heart and soul is gone.( excuse me, mind and soul)

I don't think it is gone. I think there are many here who have heart and soul and also have valid points.

[we-R-one]

Me no makee mischief. The archons made me do it.

What's the point of you comment? Stirring the pot? C'mon Modwiz, hope you're not stooping that low. Are we forever going to have to hear about 9eagle9 being a victim? Isn't there another thread for that? Trying to understand why you would even bring the topic up under this headline as it doesn't pertain to the conversation?

[modwiz]

Me no makee mischief. The archons made me do it.

Might as well have some fun. The soul and mind of this thread is gone for a week.

Do you mean you agree with all of Sigma's points


No, I did not, but admired his tenacity to keep the thread on topic. It was nothing short of heroic. I am an admirer of yours post Grip. Just seemed a bit off in this thread. Of course, that is my subjective opinion, which I am entitled to.

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Me no makee mischief. The archons made me do it.

What's the point of you comment? Stirring the pot?

I stated it was to have fun. Reading comprehension problems?

Brain drain makes me cranky.

[ThePythonicCow]

Reading comprehension problems?

So far as I have noticed, we-R-one has excellent reading comprehension abilities.

[gripreaper]

I stated it was to have fun. Brain drain makes me cranky.

Have some fun? I'm sorry Modwiz, I'm really not following you here with this statement.

Have some fun, doing what?

[modwiz]

I stated it was to have fun. Brain drain makes me cranky.

Have some fun? I'm sorry Modwiz, I'm really not following you here with this statement.

Have some fun, doing what?

My kind of fun. I may be the only person in on the joke. It is a common occurrence for me.

Maybe the archons made me do it. Anyway, time for karaoke in the real world. My fans await me.

[KiwiElf]

Good grief! Sounds like a scene out of The Omen! :P

[DeDukshyn]

The murder or this thread?

[KiwiElf]

The murder or this thread?

Hehe... the murder :D