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Lone Bean
30th October 2012, 14:05
I don't doubt that there are aliens among us, or that our world governments have reversed engineered technology found on the crashed alien space craft. I'm just having a real problem with the question as to "why did they crash in the first place?". I can't help but think that if the aliens are so far advanced technologically speaking than we are, how did their crafts malfunction to the point of actually crashing to the ground and killing the occupants? It just makes no sense to me. And if they did crash, why didn't other aliens immediately remove the debris and bodies before humans could locate them? I need some help with this concept......thanks.

Lifebringer
30th October 2012, 14:13
They said it was because of the Hiroshima Nuclear bombing which reverberated throughout the system and destroyed the Grey's planet. They had come to first retaliate, then they assimilated on false promises, as the bombing continued.

WE don't just have enemies on the planet, but off planet also, when WE created weapons that are uncontrollable in the hands of maladjusted unfeeling humans with money and power and greed on the brain.

RMorgan
30th October 2012, 14:17
Hey mate,

Just because they´re part of a highly technologically advanced race, it doesn´t mean they´re perfect.

Flying things eventually go down whenever gravity is involved.

Anything is susceptible to failure.


They said it was because of the Hiroshima Nuclear bombing which reverberated throughout the system and destroyed the Grey's planet.


Honestly, I don´t see how this would be possible.

The bombs affected Japan, but they clearly didn´t destroy our whole planet, let alone some planet that possibly isn´t even part of our solar system.

Raf.

Mike Gorman
30th October 2012, 14:24
I have read on a lot of occasions that the type of craft that were brought down were susceptible to a type of RADAR frequency being tested and used back then,
this interrupted the Anti-grav units on the alien craft-so it was by accident that the U.S military discovered a Scalar weapon they could use on these visiting craft.

Mike Gorman
30th October 2012, 14:28
Hey mate,

Just because they´re part of a highly technologically advanced race, it doesn´t mean they´re perfect.

Flying things eventually go down whenever gravity is involved.

Anything is susceptible to failure.


They said it was because of the Hiroshima Nuclear bombing which reverberated throughout the system and destroyed the Grey's planet.


Honestly, I don´t see how this would be possible.

The bombs affected Japan, but they clearly didn´t destroy our whole planet, let alone some planet that possibly isn´t even part of our solar system.

Raf.
Absolutely, this just does not add up, the Grey's Planet being affected by a localised Nuclear explosion?

Phil Schneider talks about the Bikini Atol tests disturbing the Alien bases-and he had a few photos depicting
Alien saucers leaving the area following the Atomic bomb tests-perhaps this is what is meant...

Camilo
30th October 2012, 15:33
There is plenty of documentation about it all over. If you take the time to look for it you'll find it, starting with the Roswell incident.


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Ilie Pandia
30th October 2012, 15:55
Some tourists in the jungle with highly advanced gadgets can easily be disabled by some curious animal (or a group of monkey if you will).

(Probably not the best metaphor but you get the idea)

mescalitto
30th October 2012, 16:31
As well as 3 high power directional radars that also hep to triangulate the position of the brought down craft (Look into Roswell) there is also NASA ufo footage of a projectile/particle beam weapon that is reputed to have been designed by Mr Tesla way back when. He tried to sell this while he was alive but no one seemed interested until he died and then there was a race to obtain his documented life works (Including the plans for this weapon) If i remember correctly the plans are at the Los Alamos National Laboritary to this day and they still remain classified.

jagman
30th October 2012, 16:48
I found this article this morning. It may shed some light on this subject.
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/HOW THE ROSWELL CRASH HAPPENED by Anthony Bragalia
Many rightly wonder why an ET vehicle with the ability to traverse light years through the cosmos would arrive all the way to Earth – only to crash in New Mexico. How is it that an interplanetary people with such advanced aerial technology could come to such grief on the July-baked desert floor?

… Little known is that the US Government at that time had maintained an interconnected “beyond the fence” radar network. This secret network had served two purposes. It had helped to protect White Sands Proving Ground, Sandia National Lab and Los Alamos National Lab from aerial intrusion. It was also used for the “far-field” tracking of missiles launched from White Sands. Errant V-2′s as early as May of 1947 had crashed their way to Mexico. There was no way that wayward rocket launches could ever get into the hands of civilians or foreign nationals. And our national laboratories needed to be protected from any possible foreign strikes from the air. This covert “outside the fence” radar program helped to provide maximum coverage as it monitored these vitally important skies.

Some of these radar facilities were mobile, highly experimental and lacked more exact “control” of beam path and range. Some of their designs did not have the quality to “contain the energy” as more permanent installations did. If such radar beams played a role in the crash, the radar operators likely did not know that the radar had helped to bring down the craft. The radar was not meant to be used as a weapon. It was an unwitting and non-offensive event. Otherwise, military would surely have gotten to the craft before civilians Mack Brazel and Dee Proctor did- and they would not have had to have been alerted by Brazel to the crash.

The radar project involved highly-classified radar installations that were located at remote off-sites. Towers and arrays were sometimes even sited on private property. Area ranchers and locals knew of the existence of these radar installations (usually hidden in wooded or hilly areas) but said nothing out of a sense of patriotic duty and perhaps through financial inducements. This is a little discussed piece of post WWII history – even by military historians.

Such radar systems were found in places like tiny El Vado, NM. One was called “The Continental Divide.” There was a radar station located just north of US 60 about 45 miles west of Socorro. Another site was a radar tower on the road to the spread of NM rancher Marvin Ake, 10 miles south of State Rd. 60 between Magdelena and Datil. Yet another was near Oscura Park, some miles just outside of White Sands itself.

Given how we know that UFOs are reported to be able to disrupt our cars, TVs and radios through their emanated frequencies and radiations – isn’t it possible that the reverse could be true? Could our technology have (in some as yet unknown way) affected their technology? According to a treatise entitled “Electromagnetic Compatibility“: “After World War II the military became increasingly concerned with the effects of nuclear electromagnetic pulse (NEMP), lightning strike and even high-powered radar beams on mobile vehicles of all kinds and especially on aircraft electrical systems.”

Could a unique and dynamic interplay of lightning, powerful radar beams and the ET craft’s own generated energy field have in some way brought it down?

pugwash84
30th October 2012, 16:48
On some planets there is more gravity than on other planets and sometimes calculations go wrong, it's all theory until you get onto the planet lol Also at times technology will fail without a lot of warning, some technology is very delicate and coming through the earths atmosphere doesn't do it a lot of good. xxxxxx

loc333
30th October 2012, 17:34
there is a book about one of the roswell aliens, and in it she says , she was hit by a lighting bolt and didnt have time to react..she was the pilot.The name of the book is in anthor thread .Its about the nurse who was the only one able to talk with the pilot.

Lone Bean
30th October 2012, 17:39
Many rightly wonder why an ET vehicle with the ability to traverse light years through the cosmos would arrive all the way to Earth – only to crash in New Mexico. How is it that an interplanetary people with such advanced aerial technology could come to such grief on the July-baked desert floor?

It truly does boggle the mind that it could happen. I believe it did happen, but still, were they drinking and saucering or something stupid like that?

ghostrider
30th October 2012, 17:42
In my opinion there is no way an advanced race could travel light years across the vastness of space arrive at the third rock from the sun and crash, simply they were shot down by the military . They discovered long ago that radar interferes with guidance systems , among other secret technology the ptb have. they don't crash, they are shot down, hence the ongoing war in space we are not told about. Not to mention other races at war with each other over the spoils of earth and control of it's people ...

Lone Bean
30th October 2012, 17:56
Being shot down does seem more plausible.

RMorgan
30th October 2012, 18:46
In my opinion there is no way an advanced race could travel light years across the vastness of space arrive at the third rock from the sun and crash, simply they were shot down by the military . They discovered long ago that radar interferes with guidance systems , among other secret technology the ptb have. they don't crash, they are shot down, hence the ongoing war in space we are not told about. Not to mention other races at war with each other over the spoils of earth and control of it's people ...

Hey mate,

So, "there is no way an advanced race could travel light years across the vastness of space arrive at the third rock from the sun and crash", but they could arrive here to be shot by our primitive weapons?

It doesn´t make much sense either. Especially if we consider that when the Roswell incident happened, the so called "PTB" probably didn´t have any significant ET artifacts to reverse-engineer and build secret weapons.

My opinion is that these folks aren´t perfect, neither their ships are. They´re just more advanced.

And who said their trip to Earth was/is completely safe? Maybe it´s a damn risky intergalactic mission, subjected to all sorts of variables and dangers, just like our own space exploration missions but in a much bigger scale.

Their ships could fail, just like anything else can. Even stars fail eventually.

Anyway, I think space travel, independently from the technology, will always be dangerous. There are too many stuff going on out there.

I don´t think the ET guys who come here are regular folks either. Maybe they´re the equivalent to our military or astronauts; highly trained personnel who come here for specif purposes and are totally aware of the involved risks.

Anyway, we could speculate about it forever...This is a very mysterious subject.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hervé
30th October 2012, 19:35
There is another side of this "UFO" dice which is little known or talked about.

Here is from the Educate-Yourself website archives:





Love thy enemy, it confounds them.


Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone




http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/index.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/index.shtml)

I heard about "Powers of the Air" as far back as 1970. I saw a female Sylph above West Vancouver in 1972. In 1984 I bought Trevor James Constable's book on infrared photography of Sylphs in which they have amoeba-like heat signatures on the specially prepared photographic plates. They are actually slender beings as the Greek term sylph means thin. Constable wrote that the USAF as far back as 1960 set up microwave defenses against Sylphs who they blamed for gremlins in aircraft and psychic disturbances against pilots. It is probable that the USAF was in violation of natural law and the Sylphs were trying to correct the Air Force's practices. Crop Circles are a continuation of the Sylph's desire to warn men to stop their environmental, psychic and spiritual crimes.

July 17, 2002
Dear Ken,

Sylphs are sylph shaped, like slender graceful young women. Paracelsus coined the term to apply to creatures of the air that he witnessed. Sylphs are male and female and they grow larger over their long lives, yet they retain their willowy appearance. Shad, their chief, is hundreds of feet tall and is approaching the size that he will find it more comfortable to migrate to the belt of comets beyond Pluto's orbit. Sylphs have no problem flying through space even though they are borne of the air and aether. Each comet is a being, an ancient sylph. When Halley's Comet returned in 1986 its magnetic field could be photographed creating a bow-shock and wake in the solar magnetic field 100,000 miles away from the dirty snowball of the 10 mile long comet body. That means the magnetic field of the INTRA-dimensional cometary being is 100,000 miles across. The comet core is like a pearl in a very large oyster.

Trevor James Constable, wrote about the US Air Force sending out Foo-Fighters during the Second World War to photograph and possibly shoot down the wing enveloping lights which were spooking their bomber crews. The German airmen were seeing similar phenomena and they named them gremlins. These gremlins were also known to cause mechanical problems in aircraft. Constable does not cite the bombing runs during which the Foo-gremlins caused problems but knowing Sylphs it was probably during the fire-bombings of Dresden and other cities where innocent civilians were killed. The Sylphs are advanced consciousnesses and they would have deemed such murder as entirely evil. The Luftwaffe may have seen gremlins during their bombings of London, Stalingrad and Leningrad where many people were killed.

Shad who personally witnessed the atomic war of 2024 BC and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 would harass B-52 pilots and crews in such a way to let them know that what they are doing with atomic weaponry was stupid. Shad would activate or shut down non-essential systems. Also he would find fatal flaws in the systems which could cause crashes and point out where the problems were while the plane was still on the ground. Shad may have prevented the crashes of many atomic bomb carrying aircraft, "broken-arrows". These Sylphs were a pest to the pilots and ground crews and in many ways prevented the USAF from carrying out their missions. So the Air Force developed ways of detecting and repelling Sylphs.

Infrared photography showed the presence of Sylphs but it took time to develop the film. Royal Rife and Ruth B. Drown instruments could instantly detect Sylphs.

Microwave and radio frequencies were discovered which repelled Sylphs. From a Sylph's perspective these "sounds" are like fingernails scraping across a chalkboard, irritating. Radar was developed which detected and repelled Sylphs. The frequencies used in Doppler-weather radar irritate Sylphs. Constable placing one of his infrared photos of a Sylph on the metal plate of a Ruth B. Drown diagnostic machine was able to determine that calcium was a major component of the third dimensional portion of the airy body. He later determined that the calcium was in an air gel web or mesh. As the air gel is less than one percent of the Sylph, the Sylphs were able to adapt and continue their bothersome behaviour against the nuclear armed nations of the world.

The USAF is made up of military types who think in friend or foe, them or us scenarios. The Sylphs are working against the Air Force and therefore are enemies, so the USAF is going to find their weaknesses and neutralize them. In truth Sylphs are coordinating a large part of the world's ecology and to neutralize (kill) Sylphs would destroy life on Earth. It is the military thought process which is the real enemy. The Sylphs have diverted weather fronts to help aircraft and people on the ground. They have done everything possible to prevent nuclear war. Some pilots who carry good conscious awareness were psychically warned away from deadly situations. Destructive wind and rain happens but if the large weather fronts from the tropics were shutdown the temperate climates worldwide would turn into deserts. Now the USAF and others want to take over the job of running the world's weather. They do not have a friggin idea about what drives weather. The Air Force may be trying to kill all Sylphs in order to take the responsibility to make weather for their own purposes. It would be just another plan to depopulate the world wholesale.

The GWEN , ELF and HAARP arrays were first developed as ways to destroy Sylphs, the enemy of the USAF. After fifty years Sylphs still own the skies. There is a military adage that whoever owns the skies has the superior tactical advantage and will eventually win the war on the ground (should it be decided that the ground war must cease). As Wilhelm Reich discovered deadly orgone accumulates over cities and wherever man applies unbalanced magnetic and electromagnetic fields. The basic problem creating deadly orgone is the conflict between men and women. Sylphs are constantly using wind, rain, lightning, thunder and fire to breakup concentrations of static or deadly orgone.

(Under Universal Spiritual Law the Sylphs are allowed to correct these imbalances because deadly orgone creates "unmerited karma" against a large portion of the population. As the catalytic conditions which could result from these static conditions are undeserved then the Sylphs can take action. Virtually all acts of war are "unmerited karma" due to the presence of innocent non-combatants.)

KiwiElf
30th October 2012, 20:22
Even our most advanced aircraft still crash. What's so hard to imagine? ;)

KiwiElf
30th October 2012, 21:28
If it flies, it can be bought down, just as any boat will sink.

* It hit something
* Something hit it
* Malfunction ... or something "broke!"
* Pilot/"human/alien" error
* Weather (incl spacial anomalies)
* Fear, Overconfidence, ignorance etc
* Synchronicity

Any combination of the above, which usually is the case.

No two crashes are the same. But unlike a plane crash, no "Official UFO crash reports" are usually available, it's not quite so easy as watching "Aircrash investigation" on Discovery. (And a trailer ain't the same as watching the whole movie).

Nothing's "perfect" and we don't "know" everything. ie, there are well over 150 documented UFO "crashes" spread over the last century... EDIT: erm, those are just the ones we "know" about ;) - (Many are discussed on existing or earlier posts).

Pretty good improvement on our accident rate over the last 100 years, I think ;)

Cidersomerset
30th October 2012, 22:09
Very interresting question lone Bean one we all have thought about at one time or another and all the poss answers given are plausible.
Are the Greys interdimentional ? Or based on the Moon , under the sea ? or in a hollow earth ? Are they real ET's or some biological android/hybrids ?
There are arguments for all these and more.


The Tall whites fascinate me if they exist. they have been here for thousands of years according to Charles Hall....Who goes into great detail. Fact or Fantasy ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert

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Everyone knows about Billy Meier , are the Plejarens real or a figment of the imagination of a Swiss adventurer/farmer ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43426-Billy-Meier-and-Ptaah--ET--talking-about-2012....Contact-476-3-2-2009

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Then there are the Boodeans who according to illuminatti sources created us ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution.....

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Then what were/are the' Foo fighters' ? They came to the attention of the military during WW11, Balls of light & other shapes that buzzed and
tracked military aircraft from all sides, so naturally all sides thought it was a secret weapon of the other ! They look like some form of ET craft
or entity or probe ? But why buzz so many aircraft , that does not make a lot of sence ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ha1U6p0Jnk&feature=related

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There is no doubt that UFO's exist and some are probably crewed by beings not of this earth as thousands of witnesses have seen them.
Many senior establishment people have seen then including Presidents , military personel, law enforcement and members of the public
from all walks of life. This was emphasized in the Belguim incident and the Pheonix flyby. These craft could well have been terrestial
secret space programme craft ? But why fly over such heavily populated areas ? more questions !

Steven Greers disclosure project in 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk never got the attention it merrited and was
soon forgotten in the wake of 9/11....which sparked Gary Mc Kinnons interrest & testomony of ship to ship transfer to none terrestial craft !

This is only the tip of the iceberg . I think I've gone off at a tangent ! What was the question Lone Bean ? ..LOL..I started answering this
post about two hours ago , maybe I should have started a new thread..LOL..Cheers Steve..

KiwiElf
30th October 2012, 22:26
I pose a simple idea for comparison, past present & future:

How does a car of today compare to say, a Model T Ford?
Where's my flying car?

Think in terms of complexity: , built in obsolesence, longevity, cost, economics, marketing, consumer demands, reliability, safety, politics, technology, emissions, electric and present human abilities (or lack thereof). How have they changed?

Does anyone still check their dipstick any more? (I do have friends that don't know what it is, where it is, or what it does even if they knew the first two. In any case, they don't want to burrow around down "there", and get their hands dirty ... hehe. And thats fine.

What will cars a hundred years from now be like?

Will they be completely, 100% crash proof? ;)

KiwiElf
30th October 2012, 23:24
Some of the popular research theorised that:

* earlier UFO crashes were "accidents", some due to the microwave frequency of our radar at the time. Others may have been pressurisation or toxic atmosphere problems etc. This scalar beam (microwave) technology over the years has since been weaponised in various forms, and the frequency of commercial and some military radars changed
* history indicates long line of human aggression against UFOs in the first instance - this goes back to Eisenhower and earlier, indicating possible hostilities between humans & alien races for Centuries (not necessarily "hostile aliens" ;)
* re our first & subsequent atomic explosions may have been the "pure energy" allegedly ripping through the fabric of time-space and other dimensions - each explosion opened up a "gate"... it "let things in..". Later, teleportation technology, captured stargates and even time travel were discovered and developed - ie some reportedly created a disastrous event against alien races, one example being given that a nuclear bomb was sent back through a stargate, to "see what would happen".

As was said in Jurrassic Park, "just because we can do a thing, does it mean we should?"

So they say... ;)

Mandala
31st October 2012, 05:31
I have read on a lot of occasions that the type of craft that were brought down were susceptible to a type of RADAR frequency being tested and used back then,
this interrupted the Anti-grav units on the alien craft-so it was by accident that the U.S military discovered a Scalar weapon they could use on these visiting craft.

Galaxy I have heard the same, I back you on this, data.

Hervé
31st October 2012, 06:02
there is a book about one of the roswell aliens, and in it she says , she was hit by a lighting bolt and didnt have time to react..she was the pilot.The name of the book is in anthor thread .Its about the nurse who was the only one able to talk with the pilot.

Bill Ryan verified to his satisfaction that, that particular book, "Alien Interview," is a hoax.

See this post for the data on said book and author:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW&p=59080&viewfull=1#post59080

truth4me
31st October 2012, 07:05
there is a book about one of the roswell aliens, and in it she says , she was hit by a lighting bolt and didnt have time to react..she was the pilot.The name of the book is in anthor thread .Its about the nurse who was the only one able to talk with the pilot.

Bill Ryan verified to his satisfaction that, that particular book, "Alien Interview," is a hoax.

See this post for the data on said book and author:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW&p=59080&viewfull=1#post59080 I read that book and it messed with my head- actually freaked me out until I got to the end then it became like,no disrespect to women intended , a "2 girls are best friends" story......

Tane Mahuta
31st October 2012, 08:46
I have read on a lot of occasions that the type of craft that were brought down were susceptible to a type of RADAR frequency being tested and used back then,
this interrupted the Anti-grav units on the alien craft-so it was by accident that the U.S military discovered a Scalar weapon they could use on these visiting craft.

Galaxy I have heard the same, I back you on this, data.

I too concur, advanced radar was used to bring the crafts down.

As soon as the craft was detected, the output of the radar was increased

rendering the inside of the craft to become ionised & falling to the ground.

TM

Nick Matkin
31st October 2012, 12:59
Assuming aliens in their machines are visiting us:

1) They probably understand about gravity so wouldn't crash due to 'miscalculations'.
2) Our radar signals would be picked up some light years away - so in 1947, about 10 light years when the British started experimenting with VHF/UHF/EHF radar signals in the 1930s - so they would have encountered them en route and have been able to calculate the power and likely effects on their systems.
3) We shot them down? A bit like bows and arrows would bring down a jumbo jet?
4) If they ever came and crashed, I guess it was just because whoever built them were the lowest bidder...

And another thing; aliens might come here to observe us (but they could probably do that without actually coming here), but I don't believe they'd come here for ANYTHING we have. If they have mastered space/time/inter-dimensional travel, they can probably make anything they need, even rare elements.

Nick

Lone Bean
31st October 2012, 13:27
Maybe the space aliens came here to talk with our evil elite and didn't realize that the elite was going to kill them and then set up a stupid scene like a saucer crash to cover the crime from the other aliens. I know, that's pretty far-fetched but I'm searching for "outside the box" reasons for an alien space craft crash.