Essiac Product Review Through the Eyes of Mali Klein

[Arrowwind]

Essiac Product Review Though the Eyes of Mali Klein

By Arrow Durfee c 2012

I had the opportunity to attend a workshop lead by the Essiac expert, Mali Klein in Missoula, Montana this past October, 2012. Mali has stood in the direct line of receivership to Rene Caisse’s papers as given to her via Sheila Snow, who worked with Rene for three years as a biographical researcher to Rene Cassie’s life history as a healer with Essiac Tea for the treatment of cancer and other serious diseases.

Sheila Snow had access to many of the writings, notes and letters of Rene Caisse. These papers were shared with Mali due to their friendship and together they wrote several books on the work of Rene Caisse R.N. based on the information they received through these papers, as well as Sheila’s firsthand experience in personally knowing Rene. Sheila Snow passed away April 7, 2008, at the age of 79, leaving Mali to continue the work of revealing the Essiac mysteries.

After reading and evaluating all the papers and historical accounts of Rene and her work they came to some very important conclusions that Essiac users should understand. All of these insights are recorded in their book called “The Complete Essiac Essentials.” Through their research into thousands of notes and personal writings and taped conversations of Rene with patients and associates they were able to conclude the likely reasons why the Essiac formula had changed over the years from the original 8 herb product that had been revealed to Rene by Mrs. Johnson which had cured her breast cancer. Today a four herb product is what is sold on the market by most manufactures of Essiac. Mali and Sheila believed that the current products on the market, although helpful to some patients, do not provide the essential ingredients in the proper form. The changes in the formula over the years potentially short change patients who hope for cure of cancer with Essiac. The intent of the book is to reveal these changes and to promote what they believe is likely the correct formula.

Originally, the 8 herb formula was given to Mrs. Johnson by a Native American medicine man of unknown name and tribe. This formula had been developed for the specific condition of breast cancer. This was the formula given to Rene Caisse from which she eventually extracted the 4 basic herbs with which to treat most cancer cases. Over the years it became evident, through the collected writings, that Rene had difficulty obtaining all the herbs of the 8 herb formula as well as obtaining them in their correct form. Due to a lack of supply of proper ingredients substitutions were experimented with.

One of the main changes made in the 4 herb formula is the substitution of the root of sheep sorrel for the leaf as the leave is more abundant and can be cut from the same roots up to three times per season. Rene was often treating up to two hundred patients at a time and sheep sorrel was considered the most important ingredient. Sheep sorrel was also processed independently from the other herbs for muscular injection purposes. In her letter to the Sloan Kettering Institute for Cancer Research dated 1975, to Dr.Stock, she stated that the root of Sheep Sorrel should always be included in the formula and that it’s the most important ingredient, with the leaves and stems no good alone. All Essiac or Essiac like formulas on the market today contain only leaf and stem.

Based on this letter, Sheila and Mali came to the conclusion that the original 8 herb formula, and consequently, the 4 herb formula, should be made with only sheep sorrel root, not leaves. The root is more powerful and in Mali’s experimentations over the years the root based products have produced better results.

During this workshop Mali provided for us tea samples from 7 commercially available Essiac like products to taste and consider. These are products that are easily assessable through an internet search or may be available in your local health food store. None of these products contained sheep sorrel in root form. Only one product listed the percentages of the different herbs used. Rene Caisse specified the percentages required to get the job done but only one manufacturer was willing to label what their percentages were. Most of the products contained visible herb. You could identify though simple observation leave, stems and roots. They were coarse ground, generally the best grind for making a decoction. One product appeared as a fine powder and was a deep cinnamon like color which made up to be a very dark brown, almost black, as a black tea. The color of this product did not resemble any of the other product constituents and hence its quality was subject to much scrutiny and objection by the workshop attendees. This single product was the one which bore Rene Cassie’s photo on the box with the Essiac name patented. No other product is allowed to use the Essiac name due to name patent laws. Some of the products in our observation did not provide the correct sheep sorrel according to Rene’s recipe. Some of the products in our observation did not specify the correct rhubarb root according to Rene’s recipe i.e. Rheum palmatum – Turkey rhubarb.

Mali stressed several times throughout the workshop that if you want to be sure that the product that you are using is the best in quality with the right ingredients it is essential that you grow your own herbs, or obtain them from a known source that is dedicated to growing the correct variety of each species, under the correct conditions with the correct herbal processing techniques. At this time there is no company that mass produces such a product. There are a very few independent herb growers who offer their very limited supply to those who come to them for assistance. If herbs are sourced from outside of the United States they have been irradiated upon entry into the country. Irradiated herbs are considered inferior products and they may not hold their original herbal potency. Contact your supplier and start asking questions.

This site offers a quality Essiac product. renecaissetea.com/ (http://renecaissetea.com/)

Essiac, even though it is not likely properly formulated, still often helps people with serious disease. But just consider how much better it could be if the current products offered were correctly made. Many more people would be restored to excellent health.
If you have a serious disease that you are trying to treat you must make sure that your medicine is of superior quality. Your healthy outcome depends on it and if you have been using Essiac but have not received the benefits that you had hoped for you need to reconsider the product you are using. “The Complete Essiac Essentials” book (ISBN 978-899077-10-6) is required reading for any Essiac user. It will provide dosage instructions, planting and harvesting instructions, processing considerations, storage information and all the myths and lies that have been created over the years either by ignorance, hearsay or by conniving marketing schemes.

If you are going to take the time and money to use Essiac learn to do it right. Hopefully over time market pressure will force companies to come to terms with the truth and to inspire them to create the highest quality products for those suffering from serious disease.

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Please feel free to take this article to other forums. Do not change its content. Below is a video made by Mali Klein that walks you through making Essiac Tea

Making Essiac Tea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui6HhfJEXjU=related

Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uipmiuCW7cY=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uipmiuCW7cY&feature=related)

[genevieve]

Arrowwind--

Thank you very much for this information.
I believe it's extremely valuable.

Blessings to you.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[blufire]

Arrowwind . . . thanks so much for this information.

I have used Essiac for many years and either grow or wild craft the ingredients. In fact I had just come in from digging my burdock and poke root for the year when I saw this new thread

In this book you recommend does she give recipe for the original 8 herb tea? Also, she talks in depth in the video about the original four (base) herb tea recipe (burdock, slippery elm, sheep sorrel, turkey rhubarb) and then mentions three (watercress, red clover and periwinkle) or the additional four, but she said something about ‘the golden thread' as the fourth and most important (??) Is she talking about Goldenseal? Does she go in depth in the book on the weights used for these herbs and also other recipes to add to the base four for other cures?

I have used cat's claw, milk thistle, turmeric, dandelion, bromelian quite a bit for various cancers.

[Arrowwind]

Yes, bluefire, she does go into many of these details. Goldenthread is not the most important herb but it is important and not used frequently because it is hard to obtain... Goldenthread, some say is similar to goldenseal and als gentian but it is a different plant. The roots were used by the indians to dye leather and fabric, a golden yellow color... I think in your part of the country you may find it. Be careful harvesting it. Always leave some behind, but Im sure you already know this with your experience....I write for others too.

Only a pinch of goldenthread is required

With water cress, the root is used. You can dry it like other roots. If you cook it you ruin it, for of course we all started thinking of yummy watercress soup.

Rene dropped red clover from the forumula first. Remember, this forumula was given to a woman with breast cancer. Most of the cancer Rene treated was not breast cancer. Perhaps she gave it to some people and not others. Red clover has a strong estrogenic effect. This may be good for breast cancer, I dont know, to fill those receptor sites with plant estrogens instead of real human estrogens that are having a bad effect on tissues. . Mali strongly believes that the root must be used... she feels that the roots of all the essiac plants are more powerful than the arial parts.

weights vs volumn measurements has always been a big issue with essiac. Medical doctors wanted to work in weights but Rena insisted in volume measurements... so a fluid ounce cup measure was always somehow switched to a weight oucnce measure which is entirely different. Remember, when the original recipe was prescribed the herbs were measured by the hollow of the hand... what would fit in the hallow of the palm.... and I would make a guess here, but dont want to start a rumor, but if the patient was a child would not the hollow of the childs hand be indicated? I dont know.

.... yet when large measures of the herbs are sorted out pound measures are used.. so go figure.

Mali is very suspicious of using other non essiac herbs in the forumula. She says that the herbs have a synergistic effect and adding the wrong thing could set that chemistry out of balance.

Few if anyone makes the 8 herb formula as Rene made it... and even Rene gave that up over time. Sea Kelp and thistle are not part of it as found in Floresence.

I am still confused on the Indian Rhubarb and Turkey Rhubarb issue. I will post clarifications here when I get them.

If you dont have a slippery elm tree around you can purchase one at www.horizonherbs.com (http://www.horizonherbs.com) Best to put a few in for new generations yet
to come.

On the burdock make sure you are using the articum lappa variety and in your mix use the root and the seed.

She does talk about exactly how to make the forumula but still there seems to be no absolute set rule on dosages and amounts in each batch. There really never has been any hard core studies done on this issue. She says that with essiac, if you have the right ingredients, that less is more and time must be taken to rest from the herbs, so your body does not become desensitized from them.

I highly recommend the book. I've seen no other like it regarding essiac and after you read it an return to the other books you really start to wonder where the heck they got their informaiton from. Clearly you start to see that most of it is based on rumor or an attempt at a good guess.

Even the part of the story that says it came from an Ojibwa medicine man is wrong for Sheila herself claims that she started that rumor herself my mispeaking ..... they dont know the tribe that this medicine man was from.

Periwinkle was dropped to but I dont recall why.

Golden thread seems to be the most important herb not in the 4 herb mix.

The book also has some formulas for kidney herbs and the kidney pills she had developed.

Do you have any essiac testimonials to share? I am starting to collect some on my blog. People who sell essiac cannot post testiminials legally is my understanding or to make any claims.. so my blog is a place for that they folks can link to

Do not hesitate to purchase this book. Its worth every red cent.

[blufire]

Arrowwind . . . thank you much for your reply.

I did some quick research on Goldenthread herb and realized we call this particular plant “angel hair’ here in the Appalachia. The plant is distinctly different than Goldenseal, both in plant appearances and medicinal application.

We have both herbs in abundance here in this region.

Regarding ‘measures’ and the old way of measuring by the ‘handful or hollow hand’ is based on a 4” x 4” space. A good way of thinking or understanding this is horse people measure a horses height by “hands” . . . . most Quarter Horses are around 15 hands high which in actual inches that particular breed averages 60 inches high. You would measure the height by an average man’s hand, which is 4 inches across. An actual measure by ‘weight’ as in pounds and ounces is determined (with dry herb weight) by the point the aerial (leaf part of plant) can be easily stripped or crumbled from the stem . . . . dryness of roots are a bit trickier and experience helps much here . . . just practice!! The main part about dry measure of plants is that you are not including water weight in your recipe.

My understanding regarding Turkey Rhubarb and Indian Rhubarb comes down to (as you stressed) making sure you are obtaining or using the proper biological genesis and species. Much of the Turkey Rhubarb that is sold today is from other parts of the world and not the rhubarb that grows here in North America and therefore the type used by the American Indians. There is no mistaking Turkey Rhubarb in the wild, when you know what you are looking for!

As far as testimonials . . . I personally used Essiac to cure myself from deeply imbedded Lymes Disease and stage three cervical cancer. I used different “support or additional herbs” to heal myself of these diseases.

I bought the book . . . never to old to learn!!!

[Arrowwind]

Arrowwind . . . thank you much for your reply.

I did some quick research on Goldenthread herb and realized we call this particular plant “angel hair’ here in the Appalachia. The plant is distinctly different than Goldenseal, both in plant appearances and medicinal application.

We have both herbs in abundance here in this region.

!!!

This is good news for you. You could likely do a small business supplying goldthread to various essiac makers. Im sure some would be thrilled to have access ... I would be interested in trying some seed someday, but I think I will have to develop a micro climate for it first. I only have one such area and I put bloodroot in it this past year.

I think you will find this page of interest... One of its links discusses turkey rhubarb in detail. Rene Cassie finally settled onTurkey rhubarb (Rheum palmatum) and I think it might be the right choice and although I havent read the full site yet it seems a wealth of information.

http://www.healthfreedom.info/Turkey%20Rhubarb%20v.%20Indian%20Rhubarb.htm

That essiac took care of your Lyme disease is great news, and for many reasons and
That you are well certainly but also that this herbal combination is powerful in antimicrobial action. I wonder how it would fair with MRSA? any idea? This indicates that it would likely be quite good for a variety of veneral diseases and perhaps HPV? Few things cure chronic lyme as I am sure you know. Have you heard of the teasle cure? There are a couple of youtube videos on the topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipsacus

[blufire]

Rene Cassie finally settled on Turkey rhubarb (Rheum palmatum)

The Turkey Rhubarb that grows wild here in the Appalachians looks very different than the generally agreed upon species of rhubarb used in Essiac.

Authentic shaman, witches (wise women), herbalists or Healers use only the plants that grow in their region and/or they cultivate themselves.

It is my personal view that the true medicinal herb information that we have now has been slowly diluted or misinformation has been passed through article after article, book after book and the little mistakes have slowly grown to big mistakes and into flat outright wrong information.

I also believe that many times authentic healers or herbalists do not willingly share all their wisdom about their cures. Not from selfishness or arrogance but because they know that wisdom of natural medicine and magic is more often than not is a gift or from many years of hard work and apprenticeship under a teacher. They are driven to heal not desire the power of knowledge.

I personally share very little of my own knowledge I have learned over the years on forums such as Avalon because I am well aware that the information can be misused and become harmful and negative. I then become responsible for that person’s soul energy. We forget many times or may not be cognizant of the energies and magic that is produced from the natural world and our involvement in it . . . .

Sharing information of herbal or natural medicine that cures colds and minor injuries is one thing . . . . natural medicine that cures diseases that kill are another. Using Essiac to cure a dis-ease such cancer is just one element of that cure . . . . most cancers are an outward manifestation of a soul dis-ease. Curing the outward manifestation is only a small part of healing the entire body and soul and therefore the disease.

I ‘practiced’ for many years and had many clients and made quite a bit of money . . . . but those years of clinically giving advice and information pales greatly to what I do now . . . . which is if a person comes to me and IF I SEE the person . . . then through the will of the ‘natural world’ I know how to help this person. I charge nothing and expect nothing in return . . . .

[778 neighbour of some guy]

www.vitavie.nl/

They sell Essiac here, check the detox en ontgifting section ( it is in Dutch but you will do fine :-) ), they also have excellent cod and butterloil ( check out Weston Price).

www.essiacproducts.com/

Here is another site, much more Essiac products.

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[Arrowwind]

www.vitavie.nl/ (http://www.vitavie.nl/)

They sell Essiac here, check the detox en ontgifting section ( it is in Dutch but you will do fine :-) ), they also have excellent cod and butterloil ( check out Weston Price).

www.essiacproducts.com/ (http://www.essiacproducts.com/)

Here is another site, much more Essiac products.


Clearly plummer you are not reading well this thread nor understand the gist of what is being said. I say this due to your listing of Essiac, the 'original' formula from Canada, as I have spoken about in my first post. The intent of this thread it to help people discern a real essiac product from BS. Flinging websites around that sell the product will do nothing to further the understanding of people on the essiac herbs, how to select them or a company provider and how to grow them. In my estimation that site sells a toxic product, and one that resembles nothing of the herbs they say are in it.

Many people have purchased Rene Cassie 4 herb products with high hopes only to be disappointed in outcome. Much of the problem is in the quality of the product offered because the mix is wrong and the types of herbs used are wrong. When you look at that canadian product you know it is wrong even if you have the slightest insight at all to herbal preparations.

and that site says that Essiac is only made in Canada... please realize that the word Essiac is patented by this company and hence it it true that Essiac is only made in Canada BUT they hold no patent on the formula and essiac is made all over the world by different companies, some of which do a much better job. No other company, due to patent law can legally use the word Essiac for their product.



The color of this product did not resemble any of the other product constituents and hence its quality was subject to much scrutiny and objection by the workshop attendees. This single product was the one which bore Rene Cassie’s photo on the box with the Essiac name patented. No other product is allowed to use the Essiac name due to name patent laws.


And never was an essiac extract ever used by Rene Cassie. Only a home brewed decoction...nor capsules nor vegicaps.


Unfortunately I dont read Dutch so I cant determine if that product line is on the right tract or not.

[TrumanCash]

Thanks, Arrow, for creating this thread. I've been drinking Essiac tea for more than a decade for general health enhancement. I also have grown and wildcrafted the herbs.

Yes, the Canadian Essiac company does NOT have the correct formula. There must be an abundance of Indian rhubarb in the formula as it has that smell to it (very strong), which most people don't like and that is apparently why Rene Caisse switched to Turkey Rhubarb. Also, Mary McPherson has stated that that company did not make the tea properly and it is NOT the original Resperin company.

Nearly all Essiac companies do not include one of the most important herbs in the tea and that is sheep sorrel root. The root is entirely different from the leaves. It is quite bitter and tastes completely different from the leaves. There is a company that does provide Essiac tea with the correct formula including sheep sorrel roots at Essiac West (http://essiac-tea.org/).

Here is a good article about Essiac tea with lots of links: http://www.healthfreedom.info/Cancer%20Essiac.htm




www.vitavie.nl/ (http://www.vitavie.nl/)

They sell Essiac here, check the detox en ontgifting section ( it is in Dutch but you will do fine :-) ), they also have excellent cod and butterloil ( check out Weston Price).

www.essiacproducts.com/ (http://www.essiacproducts.com/)

Here is another site, much more Essiac products.


Clearly plummer you are not reading well this thread nor understand the gist of what is being said. I say this due to your listing of Essiac, the 'original' formula from Canada, as I have spoken about in my first post. The intent of this thread it to help people discern a real essiac product from BS. Flinging websites around that sell the product will do nothing to further the understanding of people on the essiac herbs, how to select them or a company provider and how to grow them. In my estimation that site sells a toxic product, and one that resembles nothing of the herbs they say are in it.

Many people have purchased Rene Cassie 4 herb products with high hopes only to be disappointed in outcome. Much of the problem is in the quality of the product offered because the mix is wrong and the types of herbs used are wrong. When you look at that canadian product you know it is wrong even if you have the slightest insight at all to herbal preparations.

and that site says that Essiac is only made in Canada... please realize that the word Essiac is patented by this company and hence it it true that Essiac is only made in Canada BUT they hold no patent on the formula and essiac is made all over the world by different companies, some of which do a much better job. No other company, due to patent law can legally use the word Essiac for their product.



The color of this product did not resemble any of the other product constituents and hence its quality was subject to much scrutiny and objection by the workshop attendees. This single product was the one which bore Rene Cassie’s photo on the box with the Essiac name patented. No other product is allowed to use the Essiac name due to name patent laws.


And never was an essiac extract ever used by Rene Cassie. Only a home brewed decoction...nor capsules nor vegicaps.


Unfortunately I dont read Dutch so I cant determine if that product line is on the right tract or not.

[Arrowwind]

one of the most important herbs in the tea and that is sheep sorrel root. The root is entirely different from the leaves. It is quite bitter and tastes completely different from the leaves. There is a company that does provide Essiac tea with the correct formula including sheep sorrel roots at Essiac West (http://essiac-tea.org/).

Here is a good article about Essiac tea with lots of links: http://www.healthfreedom.info/Cancer%20Essiac.htm

Thank you for your post, As soon as I opened the Essiac West page there was a photo of sheep sorrel root. This company also has golden thread. Thats exciting.... they clearly attribute the work of Sheila Snow and Mali Klein, so you know they are on the right track.

Thank you for these links..... and

can you tell me anything about growing golden thread?

[TrumanCash]

I have never grown gold thread. I've seen it in the woods and it always grows in moist, shady locations.

In some areas it is rather scarce. A good substitute for it is Oregon grape root, which has similar properties including the yellow substance called berberine. Berberine is the yellow pigment in gold thread, goldenseal and Oregon grape.

[Arrowwind]

and orgeon grape root has a reputation for being helpful with cancer

[TrumanCash]

Also, I use Oregon grape root tincture every day as a mouthwash. I pull up Oregon grape roots, cut them into small pieces, and put them in a mason jar with alcohol (I prefer rum) to make a tincture. I also add other tinctures like Osha, Goldenseal, Echinacea, Olive leaf, etc., but Oregon grape alone will stop abscessed gums if you catch it early enough. (But I also add Osha root because that also helps.) I also take large doses of Vitamin C whenever I get abscessed gums. The combination of the two has saved some of my teeth.

I wish that I had known about Oregon grape root when I was younger as I could have saved some of the teeth I lost through gum disease. From what I have read it attacks the specific bacteria in the gums and that is also my experience. I also remember reading that that specific group of bacteria are also found in areas of atherosclerosis.

In the Hoxsey treatment for cancer there is a yellow paste used topically. I wonder if that is a berberine-containing root like goldthread, goldenseal or Oregon grape. Do you know what it is?

Yours in Health,
Truman


and orgeon grape root has a reputation for being helpful with cancer

[Arrowwind]

Goldenseal maybe? I dont know.
I use MMS for oral issues, sometimes grapeseed extract, as well as ozone therapy, depending on who, what and where.

[TrumanCash]

I just received this Essiac testimonial in an email from a friend who knows I'm a big Essiac fan:

Just a quick note about a lady who called yesterday. She had been diagnosed with cancer last Spring with multiple tumors on her liver, kidney’s and lungs, including a 6”x 7” tumor on one lung. The doctors gave her 6 months to live, and sent her home to die, saying that even with chemotherapy she wouldn’t live past October. In September she bought some Essiac tea and started taking 4 fluid oz. 2 x per day.
In November she had a scan which showed her liver to be enlarged. In December, she called me to say that she needed some more tea and she had just received a scan which showed no tumors at all and her liver was back to normal size. She was declared ”in complete remission” by her amazed doctor.
For about 3 weeks she was coughing up a lot of milky sputum, and said she felt like she was coughing her cancer out. She did clean her diet up and drink more water; This plus Essiac tea was her only treatment. Now she feels as healthy as she ever has except she gets tired. She has another scan scheduled on New Year’s Eve just to be sure things are still OK.
Wow!

[Arrowwind]

I just received this Essiac testimonial in an email from a friend who knows I'm a big Essiac fan:

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Great testimonial Truman.
I have a website where Im planning on storing essiac testimonials. You can go here and look in the toolbar... but so far no testimonials.
http://www.healthsalon.org/
Do you think it would be OK to put this one up there? .... and you think that there is any possibility for a follow up testimonal next year or so?
I know that people who sell essiac do receive testimonials but they put them up on their websites at risk. This could be a place for them to put them up. I also have no qualm about listing sellers who supplied these people with their herbs which I can legally do because Im not the one selling the product. I like to confirm testimonials generally as I have done with MMS but that is hard to do all the time. Because of the nature of MMS I insisted on it but with Essiac I will take second hand testimonials as I am sure it is an absolutley safe product to take.. I was not so confident about mms in the beginning... although I am now.

[TrumanCash]

I love your Health Salon website! Well done!

I'll have to email the person who sent me the testimonial to see what he says about it. It is, of course, a second hand testimonial. I'll ask if he can get the woman whose cancer was cured to write her own testimonial, too.

The FDA is a criminal organization as far as I'm concerned and in extreme violation of our first amendment rights to free speech.

TLC



I just received this Essiac testimonial in an email from a friend who knows I'm a big Essiac fan:

/I]

Great testimonial Truman.
I have a website where Im planning on storing essiac testimonials. You can go here and look in the toolbar... but so far no testimonials.
http://www.healthsalon.org/
Do you think it would be OK to put this one up there? .... and you think that there is any possibility for a follow up testimonal next year or so?
I know that people who sell essiac do receive testimonials but they put them up on their websites at risk. This could be a place for them to put them up. I also have no qualm about listing sellers who supplied these people with their herbs which I can legally do because Im not the one selling the product. I like to confirm testimonials generally as I have done with MMS but that is hard to do all the time. Because of the nature of MMS I insisted on it but with Essiac I will take second hand testimonials as I am sure it is an absolutley safe product to take.. I was not so confident about mms in the beginning... although I am now.

[Arrowwind]

I love your Health Salon website! Well done!

I'll have to email the person who sent me the testimonial to see what he says about it. It is, of course, a second hand testimonial. I'll ask if he can get the woman whose cancer was cured to write her own testimonial, too.

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Thank you. I will look forward to hearing.
Please remember, anyone with a good essiac or mms testimonal feel free to contact me here on Avelon, to put it up on healthsalon. I have a readership there of about 600 to 800 a day from around the world. www.healthsalon.org (http://www.healthsalon.org)

[TrumanCash]

There is some new information about Essiac tea from someone who knew both Rene Caisse and Mary McPherson. It's in an online newsletter. You can get the link on this page: http://www.healthfreedom.info/Cancer%20Essiac.htm. Just scroll down that page until you see the newsletter link to the March newsletter.

TLC