Barack Obama 2012

[jackovesk]

Jackovesk,

Do you have full awareness of the circumstances in regard of her silent rant? Or do you assume she refers to the celebrations in general?

What if the couple had a fight early in the morning. And her rant was a comment to it. And Barack's head nodding was something like: "Yeah... yeah you are right. Bug off..." like when you are weary of fighting and want someone to just stop bugging you and leave you alone. Huh?

Please let us stop dividing ourselves. There is no we or they. There is only us.
"United we stand, divided we fall" :)

Be patient :) There is Eternity waiting for us...

Ignorance is no path to the Truth my friend...:nono:

...Let me finish off your last sentence for you, if Americans were to follow Obama's rules..?


Be patient :) There is Eternity waiting for us...In Hell with the NWO..!

[LarryC]

ps. trying to get rid of the one above my avatar but can't find out how! if anyone knows... :)

I don´t have a flag, because I didn´t state my nationality on my profile. ( don´t really have, or want a specific nationality :) )

Same here. I don't acknowledge these coercive entities known as nation states -at least any more than is absolutely necessary.

[LarryC]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

I have no idea whether Obama is an evil NWO minion, a white hat or somewhere in between. But I'm not going to get caught up in the standard right wing anti-Obama rhetoric -e.g. Obama is a Muslim, wasn't born here, is anti-American, etc. I really don't care one way or the other. I hope he's a good guy, but if not, he's just one of many bad ones that have to be dispelled. I'm not going to worry extra about him because he has a basically meaningless title -President of the United States, or because his skin is darker than most of the others -yes, I do think that's why a lot of Americans have an extra problem with him. I'm not one of those politically correct leftists, this is just my observation.

[Cartomancer]

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Here's the way I display my flag lately

[conk]

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.

Holy God and Satan in the same sandwich! You can't be serious.

[Fred Steeves]

or because his skin is darker than most of the others -yes, I do think that's why a lot of Americans have an extra problem with him.

Yes, I keep hearing that. Apparently this is also the only reason why Attorney General Eric Holder is under investigation for running guns into Mexico, because he's a black man. What a catch all excuse, except it doesn't explain why so many consider George Bush and his dear pappy to be war criminals as well, as do I. Hmmm, maybe I just don't like white people either.

Go figure.

[goinghome2012]

she's correct, it is just a stupid flag, who cares, she is probably more evolved than most on this forum. we are not our countries, we are God hu-mans on Mother Earth ready for the transition to another world, the Golden Age of unconditional love, joy, peace and abundance, it is almost complete

Obama is the last puppet, the last actor to play the role until omega point

solar flare/dimensional shift will be precursor to the next Age of unity and Christ consciousness

prepare heart and thoughts

[kcbc2010]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

This is a "spiritual site" in search of the truth? Whose truth, yours? Jackovesk is entitled to his opinions, like everyone else here. You believe that this President has done nothing against the country or people; I think he has succeeded in coming close to destroying my country and the people who have lived their lives here. This isn't a right vs. left issue. This is a megalomaniac vs. the people, who he considers his minions. I base my "opinion" on what he has done, not on his party affiliation. I don't know if you live in the U.S., but if you do- look around at all the people who have lost their homes, jobs, dignity and hope. He came into office on a pack of lies, supported by the very people we all hate- The Elite. He's a pawn, my friend, not a savior.

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We need to keep in mind that neither Party/side is exempt from having problems with elitism. It's a disease that's infected our politics and to assume that one side is somehow better than the other refuses to see the whole picture. I know I have my biases, but I also don't delude myself into thinking that my side isn't full of corruption as well. In fact, that's something I struggle with because I really believe in my ideas, but I know that a lot of politicians just say what they need to say to get my vote.

A lot of us grew up with the idea that even if you disagree with someone's politics, you still found a way to deal with the fact that your side lost.

A lot of Obama supporters really just can't wrap their head around the idea that is how politics is supposed to work. I live in an area where we do have a recall process, but the thing is that it's been used more because people don't like election results - rather than actual incompetence on the part of a politician. That's abusing the recall process and thwarting the will of the people. (I thought the Left was all about respecting the voice of the people.....or is that just rhetoric too?)

That's arrogant and people see it for what it is - bitterness and selfishness. A bunch of sore losers being thugs because they didn't get their way......that's not the democratic process.

I get that there are people who don't want to see anything wrong with Obama. I try to respect it because everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'd argue that a lot of his supporters really have turned a lot of us off because they tend to hide under the banner of tolerance and diversity and freedom of expression. The problem is that the banner only seems to apply to people who agree with them and doesn't respect the 1st amendment rights of everyone else.

So, all we see is a bunch of hypocrites telling us that we should walk in other people's shoes when, in fact, they are unwilling to get off the porch and do the same thing.

Respect/understanding/listening are two-way streets. When you close your mind to people because you are so much more "enlightened" because your experiences and wisdom, then that shows me someone who has a lot more room for growth. (like we all do!)

Seriously, when the cabal is defeated and we have our neighborhoods and communities that we are trying to run, it's going to be really annoying when someone decides that they know better than everyone else (and name-call, and demean people who disagree with them, and act like they know everything) - especially since those are reasons why we are protesting the elites that we currently have. We know those behaviors don't lift people up. That doesn't scream out to me "we are working together - through using compromise and communication skills- for the benefit of the entire society". People don't like snobs and "know-it-all's". There's a reason why you attract more flies with honey, not vinegar. (How many more 'folksy sayings can I insert here? lol)

Obama isn't interesting in saving anything, except himself. He shows me that with his actions. People who disagree with me are free to do so.

I think it's more than 70% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction, so it's not like it's just right-wingers who get that something is deeply wrong with the way things are going in the country. That's why I tend to be surprised at how high Obama's approval numbers are because people are angry and you can only believe the propaganda so much w/out looking foolish. 8.2% unemployment...really? How do you get to that number with out manipulating it? Pushing through a health care bill w/out any support of the opposition party. S-t....even the War in Iraq had prominent Dems voting for it.

I might be a right-winger, but I know stupid/elitism when I see it from my side. Geez.....

[LarryC]

or because his skin is darker than most of the others -yes, I do think that's why a lot of Americans have an extra problem with him.

Yes, I keep hearing that. Apparently this is also the only reason why Attorney General Eric Holder is under investigation for running guns into Mexico, because he's a black man. What a catch all excuse, except it doesn't explain why so many consider George Bush and his dear pappy to be war criminals as well, as do I. Hmmm, maybe I just don't like white people either.

Go figure.

For the most part, it's not the same people who hate both Bush and Obama -though on a site like this, there are many exceptions. But with Obama you have the strange obsession over his religion and where he was born. The 'birthers" say he was born in Kenya. I somehow doubt if it was a white person who might have been born in England or Germany that quite the same amount of hysteria would be present. The same with his alleged religion, as if Muslims have caused so much more damage than Christians over the centuries. I just think it's rather backward to judge someone based on where he was born or who his parents are. I'm not saying he is a Muslim or was born in Africa -but these possibilities are especially frightening to a certain segment of the American population.

[scanner]

These Flags may mean nothing to you or I , but to millions of people around the World they mean everything to them . Especially our American brothers and sisters . To condemn Jackovest for reporting , what is essentially a symbol of the American freedoms, is very harsh of you . Obama and co are supposed to uphold their constitution and that includes their flag . They actually make a pledge of allegiance to their flag , so when you have your leader disrespecting their flag it's a slap in the face for the American people and they need to see this .

Thanks for posting Jackovest

[Fred Steeves]

Just for the record, I don't "hate" any of these people. Hate breeds nothing but destruction, both for self and others. These people are deserving of all the compassion we can muster, for they are truly lost souls.

Funny isn't it? The people who most need our compassion, are the ones we least want to share it with.

Anyone ever notice that?

[scanner]

Just for the record, I don't "hate" any of these people. Hate breeds nothing but destruction, both for self and others. These people are deserving of all the compassion we can muster, for they are truly lost souls.

Funny isn't it? The people who most need our compassion, are the ones we least want to share it with.

Anyone ever notice that?An excellent observation, well said .

[jackovesk]

previous post deleted by me...

For the 'Record' - I did not post this to ridicule Michelle Obama about her Opinion of a National Flag Ceremony...:nono:

I started this 'Thread' to point out the...


"The Utter CONTEMPT & DISDAIN she has for both the Country in which she lives and the American People who elected her husband Barry to Office..!"

Get It..? Got It..? Good..!

[Flash]

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Here the American Flag following the American view of the world. All owned and obeying America, under America "freedom" wars.

Well, following many Americans view of the world, there is of course exceptions to the rule, namely on this forum. The funniest part is that most American to whom the world is theirs to profit from would not be able to name to which part of their planet those flags are from.

Just for a flag, how many muders, how much close mindedness, how much harm, in US and elsewhere as well. Michelle is right imho.

[gripreaper]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

That's classic! Thx :becky:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/fabiola7_2007/Gif%20Party/1269259657_omg_cat.gif

[nearing]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

This is a "spiritual site" in search of the truth? Whose truth, yours? Jackovesk is entitled to his opinions, like everyone else here. You believe that this President has done nothing against the country or people; I think he has succeeded in coming close to destroying my country and the people who have lived their lives here. This isn't a right vs. left issue. This is a megalomaniac vs. the people, who he considers his minions. I base my "opinion" on what he has done, not on his party affiliation. I don't know if you live in the U.S., but if you do- look around at all the people who have lost their homes, jobs, dignity and hope. He came into office on a pack of lies, supported by the very people we all hate- The Elite. He's a pawn, my friend, not a savior.

Every President since JFK (and plenty before) are just pawns. To spend so much energy hating on any one of them is really a HUGE waste!

Also wasting energies on anything that divides us in to separateness such as nationalities and flags is ALSO a HUGE waste and won't help us get to world peace anytime soon.

BTW, I do not see from that video that she said what you are saying she said, Jack. Could have been a myriad of other sentences! Maybe she was telling him how she needs to go to the bathroom or what she wants for lunch or that she is horny...

[Awakened]

Just a thought, but perhaps she finds the time and money involved is a complete waste. Does that make her "unpatriotic"? I don't think so. Perhaps she's thinking something a little less elaborate would have been just fine. Doesn't make her a bad person.:confused:

[Ivanhoe]

I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.:rolleyes:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Flags are for slaves.

I will elaborate.

My uncle was an infantryman in Viet Nam. When a free speech issue came up over an art display that used an American flag in a way that could be interpreted as disrespectful, he was enraged. "I fought for that flag!", he would say.

And even as a teenager I would think, "Wow, you are an idiot." The flag is a control symbol.

As a child, I pledged my loyalty to it every day in school. Even in elementary school I thought this was a form of mind control.

Flags are just flags. They can represent many things including pride in our people, ideals of freedom, equality, and democracy, and so forth. However, once we begin to worship flags, we know that we have succumbed to the controls of the state.

[Maia Gabrial]

Wow! Is this a great find, jackovesk! Shows what kind of two-faced people these are. I resent them now even more so....


What if....

RJN, you can't use "what if's or maybe's...." to explain anything because it's just making up excuses. That's not going to explain anything. Her lips clearly said, "All this for a damn flag" tells me that both this traitor and her b*tch don't have a clue to what the true American spirit is; if they're even American.... I REALLY resent these two creeps.....
I wish they'd get run out of Dodge already.... I'm sick of looking at them and hearing about their two faced lies to the American public.... Sick of them taking so many vacations on my dollar.... I can't even afford ONE vacation because these 2 lazy a**es think they're so overworked.... How much energy DOES it take to ruin a country? I don't want these 2 representing us in any way. Go back to Kenya already....or Indonesia or Singapore or wherever it is you were spawned.... What an insult these two are to this country....

[nearing]

Her lips clearly said, "All this for a damn flag"

I sincerely disagree that this is clear in the least.

BUT even if it IS what she said, I am an American citizen who loves the land of the earth, ALL of the earth. I love the people of the earth, ALL of the earth. The flag (ALL flags, other than a Earth flag) represents divisiveness, as far as I can see. So I can see why someone would say it. Hell, I won't even say the 'Pledge of Allegiance". I will NOT pledge allegiance to a damn flag or a country. That leads to war. Hence, our history of killing one another.

[Fred Steeves]

I see two different conversations going on here. One is about the value of flags, of which I no longer assign any. The other I think is saying look at these lying hypocrites, they wrap themselves in the flag wherever they go, and then you see it proven this is not how they really feel. I also agree with that.

Now we all know these big wigs love their propaganda, as dear Michelle demonstrates here. Fine, that's how that sleazy game is played. Just don't get caught saying something very different.

Or, if Michelle really is genuine, and dislikes the flag for the same reason as me and many others here...Spare us Old Glory flapping proudly behind that stoic pose...Please? I'm just sayin...

We have a saying round these parts: "Come On Man".

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[nearing]

Or, if Michelle really is genuine, and dislikes the flag for the same reason as me and many others here...Spare us Old Glory flapping proudly behind that stoic pose...Please? I'm just sayin...

We have a saying round these parts: "Come On Man".

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It's been said before but: They are pawns!

[Maia Gabrial]

BUT even if it IS what she said, I am an American citizen who loves the land of the earth, ALL of the earth. I love the people of the earth, ALL of the earth. The flag (ALL flags, other than a Earth flag) represents divisiveness, as far as I can see. So I can see why someone would say it. Hell, I won't even say the 'Pledge of Allegiance". I will NOT pledge allegiance to a damn flag or a country. That leads to war. Hence, our history of killing one another.

It's EXACTLY what she said. She probably didn't realize that there are deaf, lip-reading Americans watching them, too. She definitely said it. Mocking Americans for this tradition just doesn't cut it in my book!

I agree I won't pledge to this flag anymore. BUT I'd "pledge allegiance to the Constitution of America". I'd pledge to America, but the US corporation won't get it ever again. American spirit, I believe in. And that doesn't lead to war. We all know the REAL reasons why wars are being fought.....manipulation.
But what gets to me is if these 2 fine so called PUBLIC SERVANTS don't like it, they should step down. Get out of the country. Take their forked tongues with them...Stop spending our money on themselves. This is what they agreed to represent. Or was that all just lies, too?

Even if this planet became a one world planet, there would still be pride in what each country is. There's no crime in that. This planet is what it is, multicultural. Nothing could change the fact that each person has a cultural history.

Who says we can't be united under one planet, but still have our cultural differences?

[nearing]

BUT even if it IS what she said, I am an American citizen who loves the land of the earth, ALL of the earth. I love the people of the earth, ALL of the earth. The flag (ALL flags, other than a Earth flag) represents divisiveness, as far as I can see. So I can see why someone would say it. Hell, I won't even say the 'Pledge of Allegiance". I will NOT pledge allegiance to a damn flag or a country. That leads to war. Hence, our history of killing one another.

It's EXACTLY what she said. She probably didn't realize that there are deaf, lip-reading Americans watching them, too. She definitely said it. Mocking Americans for this tradition just doesn't cut it in my book!

I agree I won't pledge to this flag anymore. BUT I'd "pledge allegiance to the Constitution of America". I'd pledge to America, but the US corporation won't get it ever again. American spirit, I believe in. And that doesn't lead to war. We all know the REAL reasons why wars are being fought.....manipulation.
But what gets to me is if these 2 fine so called PUBLIC SERVANTS don't like it, they should step down. Get out of the country. Take their forked tongues with them...Stop spending our money on themselves. This is what they agreed to represent. Or was that all just lies, too?

Even if this planet became a one world planet, there would still be pride in what each country is. There's no crime in that. This planet is what it is, multicultural. Nothing could change the fact that each person has a cultural history.

Who says we can't be united under one planet, but still have our cultural differences?

We don't need flags or nation states to have our culture, as a matter of fact, they are at odds.

[LarryC]

I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.:rolleyes:

Nationalism and tribalism inevitably lead to wars and artificial divisions between people. If the world has any future at all, it's some kind of global society. That doesn't have to mean a NWO type government. The term "one world government" has come to imply a global fascist state, but that doesn't have to be the case. I don't really believe in governments at all the way they have existed in recent centuries. But there could be a peaceful and benevolent "new world order" that wasn't run by the elite.

[shadowstalker]

There is a difference between what the NWO is, and truely living together in unity with out flags or boundaries..

NWO=CONTROL

LIVING TOGETHER IN TRUE UNITY WITHOUT FLAGS OR BOUNDARIES.= LOVE RESPECT FORGIVENESS

[Sierra]

Well, I lipread her, and what I saw was "Can you believe this, for a damn flag?" The context I got was what a bitter perception of waste of money that could be put to better use.

That said, 70% of English is invisible, inside the mouth. When lipreading, the following look exactly the same to a lipreader, hence context is everything:

Mat, Pat, Bat
Texts, Decks, Necks
Man, Band
Pan, Ban, Man
Hover, over
Like, dike, kike

I've managed to misconstrue ENTIRE sentences that look the same, not just single words. It happens. (People just crack up when I do that lol)

They say the ability to lipread is hard coded in the brain. You either can do it or you can't. You have to have a brain that can leap to conclusions apparently. It is much more difficult to do it when young, because experience of context is still missing. I maxed out on my lipreading skills at 38, 39, a long learning curve.

That being said, I personally opine that flags are NWO symbols used to generate false pride, division and and a Us/Them paradigm. I agree with Michelle ... if that is what she said. Not that I know or understand her reason for saying that ... context is unknown.

Sierra

[Earth Angel]

I have just taken the flag ( Ireland) off my profile........I think its just another tool to divide us......when driving down to Vermont from Ontario we used to play a game with the kids on the 10 hour drive counting the American Flags (you don't see flags in those numbers up in Canada)......it got boring as there were so many so we started counting dog farts instead ....... he was a close tie with the flags ( being a puppy) ...but they both stink....anyway I think we have enough labels on us already why add a flag to our profile too?

[Mulder]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

I was hoping the above was hyperbole or "reverse psychology"

Huxley proven correct in his 1961 speech: "Contented with your servitude" -
"There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears… producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it."

[modwiz]

This is absolutely scandalous. :yawn:

[LarryC]

I have just taken the flag ( Ireland) off my profile........I think its just another tool to divide us......when driving down to Vermont from Ontario we used to play a game with the kids on the 10 hour drive counting the American Flags (you don't see flags in those numbers up in Canada)......it got boring as there were so many so we started counting dog farts instead ....... he was a close tie with the flags ( being a puppy) ...but they both stink....anyway I think we have enough labels on us already why add a flag to our profile too?

Yes, when you consider how many flags there are, the silliness of it all becomes apparent. Professional sports is largely modeled after this, and that's another way to get people excited, divided and often angry over basically meaningless events. Nation states, sports teams, religions and corporations are just a few examples of these illusory entities that people are taught to identify with, and in some cases even sacrifice their lives for. Flags are an example of how symbolism can be used to manipulate the emotions. Corporate logos do something similar.

There are really two, somewhat paradoxical realities. Each individual is sovereign and yet we are all connected and One. Freedom is about finding the middle way through this paradox. But these collectives are distractions that you have to avoid to reach this. It's fine to group together with others for various purposes, as long as you don't see these associations as permanent and superior to all others.

[cloud9]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

I really don't understand this post. What do you mean by " this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.?

[WhiteFeather]

Flags & Religions same category with same meaning. A catch all for WAR.

[nonesuch]

I no longer accept at face value any claims made by someone with a bone to pick (and pick and pick) who considers their highly filtered perception of reality worthy of incessant broadcast from a free YouTube account.

If I did I'd be running around Main Street buck naked screaming bloody murder because I'd have proof that Prince William was a slit-eyed, shape-shifting reptilian clone unconvincingly played by an unemployed and therefore available and very high, Macaulay Culkin—all caught on low rez cell phone video at full zoom with unmistakable jpeg pixellation errors, the Prince himself being routed on foot down a secured but dark London alley after midnight, bejeweled guests and fellow amphibians in tow.

It always helps to check with snopes.com before posting something inflammatory that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of an opinion. Below is a link to an article that addresses the video in question. It explains that Michelle's silent lips moved into action just after an honor guard folded an American flag. Try watching the video again and see if she doesn't say one or all of the following statements:

“We’re in for a real fight.”
“I wonder if they flew that flag.”
“It’s amazing how they fold that flag.”

Reference: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/forflag.asp

You also might find this informative (and hilarious) regarding the accuracy of lip reading a silent video. Watch Rick Perry's lips carefully and you'll see for yourself he's saying exactly what someone interpreted he said then voiced over on his campaign ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QidlfdZqhg&feature=player_embedded

It's all in the programming.

In the imaginative video from the OP, our inside source thoughtfully plastered across the top of every frame the offending sentence we were instructed to see Michelle lean and whisper to Satan as a calculated desecration of Our American Cloth Sigil just in case we forgot the fullness of her crime as our eyes beheld the entire four seconds of indisputable evidence played back at various speeds.

We're all susceptible to suggestion, but only those who acknowledge it do any research before reposting someone's Tivo'd clips as proof of their long ago cemented conclusions. Make no mistake, I'm no great fan of Obama, but if this is the best anyone can come up with when there are already so many established facts (NDAA anyone?) that crush his credibility as an honest broker of much of anything, then we're a ship of fools who sunk before we left port and none of us noticed.

Still, we'd better come up for air sooner than later because Romney will act according to the Money-Buys-Planets-Forever Mormon doctrine. He'll offer his cold and charming smile while turning the dogs loose on all of us after the right church official, bank executive or corporate CEO significantly surpasses in their bid the reserve he purposely set high in his auction for total control of America.

If only the next election were as simple as apples and oranges, instead of Apples and Microsofts, we'd stand a chance of employing the past as prologue. But this time it's going to be different.

It's not a bad idea to lose your mind about now. But be sure to lose it completely, and into a spiritual awakening of your choice rather than in trying to outsmart the nuts and bolts of an already fallen illusion in which nobody won. We moved past 'business-as-usual' so many years ago even bodhisatvas are tapping their feet with impatience while excited Angels are putting their final touches on the imminent Feast of the Ages.

If there were two words that best characterized for me this moment, today, in history, they would be these:

CATCH UP! :wizard:

[jackovesk]

I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.:rolleyes:

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...:yes4:

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now :ear: this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag http://www.flags-and-anthems.com/media/flags/animierte-flagge-vereinigte-staaten-von-amerika-usa.gifTangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...:yes4:

[jackovesk]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

This is a "spiritual site" in search of the truth? Whose truth, yours? Jackovesk is entitled to his opinions, like everyone else here. You believe that this President has done nothing against the country or people; I think he has succeeded in coming close to destroying my country and the people who have lived their lives here. This isn't a right vs. left issue. This is a megalomaniac vs. the people, who he considers his minions. I base my "opinion" on what he has done, not on his party affiliation. I don't know if you live in the U.S., but if you do- look around at all the people who have lost their homes, jobs, dignity and hope. He came into office on a pack of lies, supported by the very people we all hate- The Elite. He's a pawn, my friend, not a savior.

Every President since JFK (and plenty before) are just pawns. To spend so much energy hating on any one of them is really a HUGE waste!

Also wasting energies on anything that divides us in to separateness such as nationalities and flags is ALSO a HUGE waste and won't help us get to world peace anytime soon.

BTW, I do not see from that video that she said what you are saying she said, Jack. Could have been a myriad of other sentences! Maybe she was telling him how she needs to go to the bathroom or what she wants for lunch or that she is horny...


I do not see from that video that she said what you are saying she said, Jack. Could have been a myriad of other sentences!

Maybe she said to Barack - "WhyTF are we waisting our time here, when we could be on another Holiday...?"

One thing I have noticed here at Avalon, there are a Hell-Of-A-Lot of members who have absolutely 'NO' People-Reading-Skills Whatsoever..!

...and that is what really saddens me greatly...:(

I could go on for Hours about this..! What's wrong with you all..?

Take the emotion out of it, Open-Your-Eyes & Ears the 'Truth' is so easy to spot its ridiculous...:faint:

[NancyV]

It's not about believing in "the flag" or not believing in the frigging "flag". It's about respect. It's about the fact that in this time and this place on this 3rd dimensional planet there are millions of humans who DO have pride in their respective countries flags. It's a symbol that makes them feel good about their country. It gives them a sense of cohesiveness a sense of pride with their fellow countrymen. If you think you're a highly evolved spiritual being you would understand this human emotion and have compassion and empathy for the people who respect and believe in the flag. Certainly a majority of people living in the US expect their President and his wife to have respect for the flag, at the very least.

I got suspended from high school for about a week in 1962 when I was 15 because I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag. Back then I didn't care what other people thought and I didn't care what they respected. I didn't respect authority AND I didn't respect many people at all. I did many things to show my contempt. I also got suspended for refusing to wear shoes to school, so protesting the pledge of allegiance wasn't a big deal, just something I could protest. It took me a while to come to understand that I can still be exactly who I am without trying to protest against others beliefs and traditions. The world and this country don't have to be like me, even though I am obviously RIGHT and PERFECT. :angel:

It wouldn't surprise me if Mrs. Obama said what it looks like she said. Remember she also said: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.” This is a woman who thinks others do not deserve respect if their beliefs or opinions are different from hers. For her to say something like that in the middle of trying to get her husband elected as President shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding. It's in the same vein as what her husband said when talking about people in small towns in the midwest: "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

These two, the pres and the 1st lady, have no respect for people who believe differently than they do. THEY are right and they intend to shape the US into their image of the perfect liberal utopian socialist country. Hopefully they won't succeed. In the meantime IF Michelle said "All this for a damn flag", it's right in line with things she's said before.

Now... you wonderful peace/love, spiritually aware people who are defending Obama and also disrespecting the flag....what makes you think that rejecting the beliefs of at least 75% of the US citizens is going to endear you to them? What makes you think that disrespecting them and what they think is a love of their country will help the world in any way at all? Is this how you portray your belief in love and your spiritual awareness? What you are doing by rejecting your little flags next to your avatar is exactly what I did when I was an ignorant 15 year old. It's also making it MUCH more important than it otherwise would be. That little flag just tells us what country you are from, which I happen to find rather interesting. Now you're making a big frigging deal out of it and then stating that it shouldn't be so important! LOL.. You're making it important!

Just because you think people should not have pride in their country and its symbol, the flag, doesn't mean everyone will convert to your beliefs. It's very spiritually aware to be able to deal with REALITY and not try to change everyone to your own religion or non-religion... because it's so obvious to you that YOU are RIGHT.

The flag means nothing to me, but I KNOW it means a lot to those who believe in it and I would no longer show contempt and disrespect for their beliefs.....but obviously the Obama's (and a lot of you) do disrespect the beliefs of those who disagree with their superior and evolved knowledge. No big surprise.

[LarryC]

I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.:rolleyes:

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...:yes4:

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now :ear: this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag http://www.flags-and-anthems.com/media/flags/animierte-flagge-vereinigte-staaten-von-amerika-usa.gifTangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...:yes4:

It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies. Several of us suggested that there are alternatives to either nations states or a global NWO government. And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread? :confused:

[jackovesk]

I am going to compare these 2 posts & Summarise...

Post #1


Flags are for slaves.

I will elaborate.

My uncle was an infantryman in Viet Nam. When a free speech issue came up over an art display that used an American flag in a way that could be interpreted as disrespectful, he was enraged. "I fought for that flag!", he would say.

And even as a teenager I would think, "Wow, you are an idiot." The flag is a control symbol.

As a child, I pledged my loyalty to it every day in school. Even in elementary school I thought this was a form of mind control.

Flags are just flags. They can represent many things including pride in our people, ideals of freedom, equality, and democracy, and so forth. However, once we begin to worship flags, we know that we have succumbed to the controls of the state.

...and Post #2


Wow! Is this a great find, jackovesk! Shows what kind of two-faced people these are. I resent them now even more so....


What if....

RJN, you can't use "what if's or maybe's...." to explain anything because it's just making up excuses. That's not going to explain anything. Her lips clearly said, "All this for a damn flag" tells me that both this traitor and her b*tch don't have a clue to what the true American spirit is; if they're even American.... I REALLY resent these two creeps.....
I wish they'd get run out of Dodge already.... I'm sick of looking at them and hearing about their two faced lies to the American public.... Sick of them taking so many vacations on my dollar.... I can't even afford ONE vacation because these 2 lazy a**es think they're so overworked.... How much energy DOES it take to ruin a country? I don't want these 2 representing us in any way. Go back to Kenya already....or Indonesia or Singapore or wherever it is you were spawned.... What an insult these two are to this country....

What I take out of it, is this comment from Maia Gabrial...:thumb:


don't have a clue to what the true American spirit is

Forget the visual appearance of a piece of Cloth (Flag) and replace that with the word (Spirit) in context to the many views expressed on this 'Thread'

e.g


American Spirit
Australian Spirit
English Spirit
Avalonian Spirit
French Spirit
Canadian Spirit
Etc, Etc........

Now we know there is no 'i' in Team

We know that 99.99% of people on the planet would generally like to feel a connection to their fellow man and most like to belong to some kind of Communal Spirit in the form of Community - Family - Freindship - Group or Club, etc...

Even at Avalon, although we 'Don't Agree' at times :) There is a 'Communal Spirit' and a sense of belonging to a cause of Open Minded & Alike people...

So take a step back, all those that jumped on the 'Individual' Aspect of living in a 'Free World' without as many Govt. Constraints and (Turn your Focus Within) and re-read your posts and 'Think-Again'...

...because 'Some of You' are WAY-OFF-TRACK with your rationale..! :yes4:

[jackovesk]

It's not about believing in "the flag" or not believing in the frigging "flag". It's about respect. It's about the fact that in this time and this place on this 3rd dimensional planet there are millions of humans who DO have pride in their respective countries flags. It's a symbol that makes them feel good about their country. It gives them a sense of cohesiveness a sense of pride with their fellow countrymen. If you think you're a highly evolved spiritual being you would understand this human emotion and have compassion and empathy for the people who respect and believe in the flag. Certainly a majority of people living in the US expect their President and his wife to have respect for the flag, at the very least.

I got suspended from high school for about a week in 1962 when I was 15 because I refused to pledge allegiance to the flag. Back then I didn't care what other people thought and I didn't care what they respected. I didn't respect authority AND I didn't respect many people at all. I did many things to show my contempt. I also got suspended for refusing to wear shoes to school, so protesting the pledge of allegiance wasn't a big deal, just something I could protest. It took me a while to come to understand that I can still be exactly who I am without trying to protest against others beliefs and traditions. The world and this country don't have to be like me, even though I am obviously RIGHT and PERFECT. :angel:

It wouldn't surprise me if Mrs. Obama said what it looks like she said. Remember she also said: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.” This is a woman who thinks others do not deserve respect if their beliefs or opinions are different from hers. For her to say something like that in the middle of trying to get her husband elected as President shows a complete lack of awareness and understanding. It's in the same vein as what her husband said when talking about people in small towns in the midwest: "it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

These two, the pres and the 1st lady, have no respect for people who believe differently than they do. THEY are right and they intend to shape the US into their image of the perfect liberal utopian socialist country. Hopefully they won't succeed. In the meantime IF Michelle said "All this for a damn flag", it's right in line with things she's said before.

Now... you wonderful peace/love, spiritually aware people who are defending Obama and also disrespecting the flag....what makes you think that rejecting the beliefs of at least 75% of the US citizens is going to endear you to them? What makes you think that disrespecting them and what they think is a love of their country will help the world in any way at all? Is this how you portray your belief in love and your spiritual awareness? What you are doing by rejecting your little flags next to your avatar is exactly what I did when I was an ignorant 15 year old. It's also making it MUCH more important than it otherwise would be. That little flag just tells us what country you are from, which I happen to find rather interesting. Now you're making a big frigging deal out of it and then stating that it shouldn't be so important! LOL.. You're making it important!

Just because you think people should not have pride in their country and its symbol, the flag, doesn't mean everyone will convert to your beliefs. It's very spiritually aware to be able to deal with REALITY and not try to change everyone to your own religion or non-religion... because it's so obvious to you that YOU are RIGHT.

The flag means nothing to me, but I KNOW it means a lot to those who believe in it and I would no longer show contempt and disrespect for their beliefs.....but obviously the Obama's (and a lot of you) do disrespect the beliefs of those who disagree with their superior and evolved knowledge. No big surprise.

Doesn't it (ANNOY-YOU) NancyV, when you have literally have to 'Lay The Truth' out in 'All in a Row' using nothing but the 'Truth' to explain to some people what should be just Plain (COMMONSENSE)...:yes4:

I have virtually 'Given Up' on those 'Members' with 'Blinkers On' and spend my time to try an 'Educate' our 1000s of guests on just how I express the 'Truth As I Know It' in the simplest way possible...

...Now let me tell you, I am not the most popular member here at times :), but I (Always Speak My Mind) and I will back-up my 'Truth Contributions' to anyone. All they have to do is go back and research the posts I've made so far to see if I am to be believed...

:director: Hello Bueller - Anyone..???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64

[ghostrider]

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.

http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Me too.....:pound:

I couldn't agree more http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

uuhhhhhh ? can you say obamacare ? wakey wakey

[jackovesk]

I think it's funny how people want to distance themselves from the individuality of soveriegn nations by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags), and they want autonomy,.... but no one wants one world government (NWO)......
Go figure.:rolleyes:

Bloody-Well-Said...Ivanhoe...:yes4:

You said it alot more politely than I ever could...

Now :ear: this...

For (ALL) of you who went (Off) on some kind of 'Flag http://www.flags-and-anthems.com/media/flags/animierte-flagge-vereinigte-staaten-von-amerika-usa.gifTangent' by disrespecting individual cultures (and their flags) yet are against 'World Govt' - you are nothing but a bunch of Hypocrites...

It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies. Several of us suggested that there are alternatives to either nations states or a global NWO government. And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread? :confused:

Unfortunately 'Patience' is not one of my strongest qualities...


It doesn't seem like you even read many of the replies.

I have read every single post thus far...:yes4:


And how is the subject of flags a tangent when that is the supposed topic of this thread? :confused:

Perhaps you'd like to show me the 'Same Courtesy' and read all the posts I've made so far in this 'Thread' and you would realise just how 'Pointless' your statement 'above' really is...:faint:

Hint - "Think in 'Context' my friend"..:)

[Maia Gabrial]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)



Posted by GCS1103 (here)



Posted by Fred Steeves (here)



Posted by Lifebringer (here)

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.
Me too..... I couldn't agree more uuhhhhhh ? can you say obamacare ? wakey wakey

Someone hasn't been paying attention to what the prez and this faux govt has been up to....

[Unified Serenity]

Here is what I perceive about our President and his wife. It was the wrong flag. What she meants, was "All this for the f***ing American flag?!" Now, had this been one of these flags flying, her demeanor would have been very celebratory and the words been "We DID IT!":

http://www.clipart.dk.co.uk/DKImages/flag/image_flag009.jpg

http://onlinedating.russianlovematch.com/image.axd?picture=2010%2f8%2frussia_flag.jpghttp://onlinedating.russianlovematch.com/image.axd?picture=2010%2f8%2frussia_flag.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I6ecom0Q7ms/TRXk54gjghI/AAAAAAAAADk/-UliTv6K77I/s1600/therm+russian+flag.jpg

[etm567]

I am constantly amazed that people actually think Obama is some kind of "good guy". I have a relative that is a Family adviser to him, he was also an adviser to the both Bush's when they were up there. The kind of adviser that is not on the books, so trust me they all work for the same secret group and do as they are told. The Bush's were Nazi's and Obama is a Marxist, but they got were they are because they have taken an oath to push the Family agenda forward regardless of what they think.

The people that they work for also own ALL of your television media, stop watching it, its all lies. YOUR NEWS IS FAKE. My mother was a CIA asset and was involved in many CIA/military black projects involving mind control. She used to do TV commercials and then was involved in the civil rights movement back in the sixty's. You see ALL sides of that mess were funded and ran by the secret govt, and the TV media reported on it and made up the rest. Most members of your major TV news today are actually either CIA themselves or are members of Bloodline Family's. Ever wonder who Anderson Cooper really is? No? you should. Its all there to give you a belief in a false reality. Everything you have seen on TV is either fake or told in some way that is part of their agenda. Stop giving your energy to this, TV programing is mind control programing, period.

Anyway people like Breitbart are just doing their job. If however you get deep enough to blow the whistle then you have already made the agreement to go along with the agenda or pay the price. They will take you out if you betray your oath, you will have a heart attack or shoot yourself twice in the head. The internet is full of people that have no such agreements, if they have no connections to the mainstream. Spend your time there and throw out your television.

Excuse me, are you saying the CIA made up the civil rights movement?

Excuse me for asking, but would you mind saying how old you are? I'm going to guess you are young, because only someone young would say "were funded and ran" instead of "were funded and run," but I'm almost sixty and I grew up in Memphis, Tennessee watching the civil rights movement all around me. My mother was in it, and she wasn't any CIA asset. Neither was Mattie Singstack or Jesse or Allegra Turner or a multitude of other activists. The CIA didn't make up the Saturday Luncheon Group, either.

And I think it was, all in all, a rather good thing. I would imagine the CIA certainly infiltrated it, or the FBI did, or both, as they infiltrated all social movements. But they were just tagging along until they could do some damage or maybe bring someone like MLK, Jr. down.

You are right that all the news today is fake. But back then it wasn't. Back then there were still newspapers that were owned by families -- although they were disappearing at a great rate! But they were still there. Like the one in Little Rock, Arkansas (the Little Rock Gazette, I think? Not family owned anymore, of course), where the editor went up against his advertisers to tell the truth about what was happening there with desegregation.

Breitbart shouldn't even be called a journalist.

ETM

If you think that being older than me invalidates my post you are wrong. I know what my family does for a living. Im the one that grew up with this CIA/Army/Illuminati crap.

Anyone that made any noise needed people to write the speech's, generate funding etc etc. The people that showed up to do that were almost all govt asset's, didn't matter if it was the Black Panthers or the Klan or MLK. They quietly controlled all these groups from inside.

The secret govt liked the civil rights movement as much as you did. They also ran the womens lib movement from beginning to end. Good well meaning people showed up to help and the News Media did their part.

This social engineering is all part of their agenda not yours. I wish there was a way that I could help people see it but I know it isn't going to happen so I say believe what you like. Frankly I'm out of gas, I no longer try to help people see the truth in all this, its not my job and its a waste of energy. I know what they did and are doing, however this type of information only serves to generate anger toward me because it challenges everything folks think is real. It also gets "Them" angry at me, and recently was asked why I bother, it was suggested that I no longer speak on private subjects. For the first time I think they are correct, so on that note I will bow out.

I realize by now this is a very old post. But no, you are still wrong. I knew the people who were making speeches, some of them. One of them was MY mother, and no, she was never a CIA asset. Yes, today our media is entirely owned. As I said in my previous post, at that time it wasn't yet, witness the Little Rock Gazette's reporting during the desegregation of schools there.

I am not saying that there is no CIA mind control, I know there is. I am not saying the CIA has not done very terrible things throughout its existence. I am saying that the social movement known as the civil rights movement was not run by them. If anything, they were probably trying to bring it down. They may have infiltrated it, but in those days it would not have been the CIA, it would have been the FBI. And the FBI did not like Martin Luther King. The Illuminati do not approve or like blacks -- not in Africa, not in the United States of America, not anywhere. They targeted blacks in Africa with the HIV virus as they targeted gays in America.

There is an office in the UN that does population statistics. (I know the UN is controlled; but not all of it is all of the time. A great deal of the work the UN does, in terms of statistics and such, is just what it seems to be.) They project population statistics and report on that every few years. They actually changed their projections back -- it was probably very early this century -- to lower the populatoin projections, due to the HIV virus. That was pretty extraordinary.

So, I still take issue with the CIA running the civil rights movement. There are people of good hearts, minds and souls all over the planet, and they do do things. Just because the bad guys are now in complete utter control does not mean it was always that way. We can blame Clinton for a lot of what got us here today, by allowing the deregulation of the banking industry and allowing the media to consolidate. But Breitbart? Outright lies. Deliberate, premeditated lies intended to do damage.

[Sierra]

ETM, can you give an example of what you are talking about in regards to:


The journalism Breitbart did could hardly be called such. He cut and spliced to make people seem to be saying the opposite of what they were saying, and caused them a great deal of grief. Are you saying all of his reporting what this sort of journalism and he was just a dirty disinfo agent in all forms or maybe he did some editing as has happened to conservatives in the major media for years? I won't defend shoddy dishonest journalism, but I've read a lot of Breitbart articles that did not seem to do this sort of thing.

Thank you

How much would you like? This is just a taste....

[To summarize, though, he took a video of Shirley Sherrod making a speech at an NAACP meeting or dinner or something, in which she told a story about dealing with a farmer in the south. He edited this video to remove all context, said that it proved that she was performing her job in a way that was racist, and that this racism was deliberate, and that the people at the NAACP dinner applauded this display of racism. She lost her job because of this.

Then it came out that he was presenting the opposite of the truth: she was telling the story to make the point that racism could be overcome, left behind.... Not that she was proud of being a racist!

Breitbart even admitted he took her comments out of context. But he said he used just that portion because it was all he had. Then it was demonstrated that it had even been edited, to make her look even worse. Needless to say, it was all cut, snipped, taken out of context and then lied about to make a completely false point, by Breitbart. Not my idea of good journalism.]

From Media Matters:



Breitbart Posted Heavily Edited Video To Smear Shirley Sherrod


Breitbart Posted "Video Proof: The NAACP Awards Racism" By Sherrod. Breitbart posted heavily edited video of Sherrod speaking at an NAACP function and falsely suggested that Sherrod discriminated against a white farmer in her capacity as the Agriculture Department's Georgia Director of Rural Development:
We are in possession of a video from in which Shirley Sherrod, USDA Georgia Director of Rural Development, speaks at the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner in Georgia. In her meandering speech to what appears to be an all-black audience, this federally appointed executive bureaucrat lays out in stark detail, that her federal duties are managed through the prism of race and class distinctions.


In the first video, Sherrod describes how she racially discriminates against a white farmer. She describes how she is torn over how much she will choose to help him. And, she admits that she doesn't do everything she can for him, because he is white. Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help. But she decides that he should get help from "one of his own kind". She refers him to a white lawyer.


Sherrod's racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups' racial tolerance.


Full Video From NAACP Exonerated Sherrod From Accusations Of Racism. On the evening of July 20, the NAACP posted the full video of Sherrod's speech, proving Breitbart's accusation of racism false:
The video of Shirley Sherrod released by Andrew Brietbart's Big Government Blog on July 19 didn't tell the full story. It was selectively edited to cast her in a negative light. Here is the video, shot by the local NAACP unit that hosted Ms. Sherrod. Watch the video, and judge for yourself. [NAACP, 07/20/10 (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naacp.org%2Fnews%2Fentry%2Fvideo_sherrod%2F)]


Breitbart On Why He Did Not Post Full Video: "I Don't Have It." In an interview with Talking Points Memo, Breitbart confirmed that he never had the full video of Sherrod's remarks:



The crux of the Shirley Sherrod controversy is what she said outside of the two-minute video clip posted by Big Government -- whether she was, as she claims, telling a story about how she overcame racial prejudice while helping poor farmers in Georgia, or whether the clip is a good encapsulation of her views. So we asked Andrew Breitbart, the founder of Big Government, why he hasn't posted the full video.
"I don't have it," Breitbart told TPMmuckraker in an interview. Breitbart said his source sent him just the edited clips at first, but is in the process of sending the full video. [Talking Points Memo, 07/20/10 (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Ftpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com%2F2010%2F07%2Fbreitbart_i_did_not_edit_this_th ing.php)]


Breitbart On Whether The "Edited" Sherrod Video He Posted Was "Out Of Context": "Well, Yes." In an interview with Daniel Stone of Newsweek, Breitbart did not object to Stone's characterization of the Sherrod video as "edited" and admitted that he "took things out of context":
From Wikipedia:



Resignation of Shirley Sherrod
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On July 19, 2010, [B]Shirley Sherrod was forced to resign from her appointed position as Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28U.S._state%29) State Director of Rural Development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDA_Rural_Development) for the United States Department of Agriculture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Agriculture)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-Vilsack-0) because of video excerpts from her address to a March 2010 NAACP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP) event and commentary posted by blogger Andrew Breitbart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Breitbart) on his website.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-Fox20100719-1) Based on these video excerpts, the NAACP condemned Sherrod's remarks as racist and U.S. government officials called on the official to resign. But, with review of the complete unedited video in full context, the NAACP, White House officials, and Tom Vilsack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Vilsack), the United States Secretary of Agriculture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secretary_of_Agriculture), apologized for the firing and offered Sherrod a new position.


Extensive media coverage of the excerpted videos, various parties' comments, and later corrections when the full story was discovered, exacerbated the affair. The event brought to the forefront current debates regarding racism in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States), cable news (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cable_news) reporting, ideological websites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_blog) on the internet, and decisions made by President Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)'s administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-BBC_News-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-3)


The Obama administration apologized to Sherrod, and offered her a full-time, high-level internal advocacy position with the USDA[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-LA20100722-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-6), which she ultimately declined.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-turnsdown-7) In 2011, Sherrod initiated a libel lawsuit against Breitbart and co-defendant Larry O'Connor for defamation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod#cite_note-atgathering-8) Their attorney filed for dismissal two months later on First Amendment grounds. In February 2012, defendant's's motion for dismissal under provisions of the "SLAPP" act was denied and subsequently appealed to the U.S. District Court for the D.C. Circuit.

From Huffington Post:



Shirley Sherrod Case Against Andrew Breitbart Begins
WASHINGTON — Lawyers for conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart asked Tuesday that a federal judge throw out a defamation case that former government employee Shirley Sherrod brought against him.


Sherrod was ousted from her job as a Georgia rural development official last year after Breitbart posted an edited video of her making supposedly making racist remarks. She sued Breitbart, his employee Larry O'Connor and an unnamed defendant for defamation and emotional distress. Sherrod's lawyers say the unnamed defendant is the person who they believe passed the video on to Breitbart.
The video on Andrew Breitbart's website turned out to be edited, and when Sherrod's full speech to an NAACP group earlier that year came to light, it became clear that her remarks about an initial reluctance to help a white farmer were not racist but an attempt at telling a story of racial reconciliation. Once that was obvious, Sherrod received public apologies from the administration – even from President Barack Obama himself – and an offer to come back to the Department of Agriculture, which she declined.


In the first hearing in the case Tuesday, exactly a year to the day Sherrod was ousted, lawyers for Breitbart argued that Sherrod's case is an attempt to dampen free speech and should be dismissed. They also argued to have it dismissed under a District of Columbia statute that aims to prevent the silencing of critics through lawsuits.


If the case is not dismissed, Breitbart and O'Connor's lawyers argued to have it moved from the District of Columbia to California, where the two men live. U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon said he would consider all of the requests but did not indicate how he would rule.


Sherrod's complaint says the incident has affected her sleep and caused her back pain. It contends that she was damaged by having her "integrity, impartiality and motivations questioned, making it difficult (if not impossible) for her to continue her life's work assisting poor farmers in rural areas" even though she was invited to come back to the Agriculture Department.


Breitbart's original posting a year ago showed an excerpt of a March 2010 speech to an NAACP group in which Sherrod talked about her reluctance to help a white farmer who came to her more than two decades ago when she worked at a farm aid nonprofit group. The video was posted amid ongoing friction between the NAACP and the tea party movement, each of which were accusing the other of having racist elements among their ranks.


The blogger said at the time that the video showed the NAACP condoning racist comments from a government official.


The full video, however, shows Sherrod explaining to the audience how she eventually became friends with the farmer and helped him save his land from foreclosure. .
Of course, the best would be to show his "edited" version, the one he presented as proof of her racism, and the real video. I don't know if I can find those, and if I could, if I could post them, but I'll give it a shot. Unless someone more technically savvy than I would like to volunteer?

And, sad to say, this is just one case. There are others, of course.

I didn't know it was possible to live in this country and not know what Brietbart did to his videos, but I guess it is possible. I don't watch the news anymore myself, so, if it were now I probably wouldn't know either. But that was then...

ETM

Oh my ... naughty naughty Breitbart.

[TelosianEmbrace]

I actually read this whole thread! And it has very little to do with the issue at hand, but with the fascinating interplay of perceptions and beliefs. Flags are like mirrors. They reflect who we are and what we believe back to ourselves, if only we have the courage to look.

[Sierra]

If you think that being older than me invalidates my post you are wrong. I know what my family does for a living. Im the one that grew up with this CIA/Army/Illuminati crap.

Anyone that made any noise needed people to write the speech's, generate funding etc etc. The people that showed up to do that were almost all govt asset's, didn't matter if it was the Black Panthers or the Klan or MLK. They quietly controlled all these groups from inside.

The secret govt liked the civil rights movement as much as you did. They also ran the womens lib movement from beginning to end. Good well meaning people showed up to help and the News Media did their part.

This social engineering is all part of their agenda not yours. I wish there was a way that I could help people see it but I know it isn't going to happen so I say believe what you like. Frankly I'm out of gas, I no longer try to help people see the truth in all this, its not my job and its a waste of energy. I know what they did and are doing, however this type of information only serves to generate anger toward me because it challenges everything folks think is real. It also gets "Them" angry at me, and recently was asked why I bother, it was suggested that I no longer speak on private subjects. For the first time I think they are correct, so on that note I will bow out.

Siberia9, don't give up. I've been reading your posts since you joined, and I hear you sharing from your experience, as opposed to ideological polarity. I think your posts are valuable, enlightening, and *of course* they generate a lot of heat. Truth is a beat up old woman in my opinion, the majority of humans don't like her, don't recognize her, and don't respect her. She terrifies the crap out of most people.

You are here, to keep going, until you exit. <respectfully and hopefully shoving Siberia9 back in the ring>

Sierra :hug:

[Sierra]

The above-displayed video clip from a 9/11 commemoration ceremony in 2011 shows President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama observing a portion of the ceremony in which an honor guard has folded an American flag, at which point the First Lady leans over to her husband and makes a remark, to which the President nods in agreement. The clip has been circulated with the claim that what Michelle Obama said to her husband was the question, “All of this for a damned flag?”

Although it may look to the ordinary viewer that the First Lady's lip movements do correspond to that phrase, it's not possible to definitively determine what she said from that observation alone. Contrary to common belief, lip reading is far from an exact science: a lot of word formation is hidden inside the mouth, and therefore a lip reader can interpret two completely different words or phrases from identical mouth movements. (For example, the lip movements corresponding to voicings of "colorful" and "I love you" can easily be confused with each other.) Much of the process of lip reading involves guesswork and inference from context. And once a viewer has been presented with a particular interpretation of lip movements (as in this case), it's hard for that person to "hear" anything other than what has already been suggested to him.

For what it's worth, a lip reading instructor at the River School in Washington, D.C., did not provide the proffered explanation (“All of this for a damned flag?”) of what Michelle Obama supposedly said in this video clip. The school posted a disclaimer on its website http://www.riverschool.net/

“Please be advised that The River School was not involved in any translation services for a recent video clip currently circulating on the Internet.”

Determining exactly what the First Lady might have said via lip reading is complicated by the fact that her lips disappear behind a partition at one point in the clip. Other experienced lip readers have interpreted the sentence uttered by Michelle Obama during this clip to be anything from "We're in for a real fight" to "I wonder if they flew that flag" to "It's amazing how they fold that flag."

The web http://badlipreading.tumblr.com/ does a good job of demonstrating how wildly varied lip reading interpretations of utterances can be. (Interjection: Of course, Deafies/deafies cannot enjoy this website, since neither the original words and what I assume are the hilarious substitutions, are not captioned.) (Dammit.)

Reference: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/forflag.asp

Two more that look the same along with the above mentioned "colorful" ...
I love you
Olive juice

Sierra :)

[Nickolai]

Dear Unified Serenity,

I am shocked now,
Where did you get your data?
What is the real connection to the words the Obama's wfie said to Russia, I am really lost now.
Are you channeling? What is the hard reasons for that assumption?
I have always thought you were a solid Avalon memmber. What went wrong with you?

Nickolai

[Unified Serenity]

Dear Unified Serenity,

I am shocked now,
Where did you get your data?
What is the real connection to the words the Obama's wfie said to Russia, I am really lost now.
Are you channeling? What is the hard reasons for that assumption?
I have always thought you were a solid Avalon memmber. What went wrong with you?

Nickolai

LOL... I said, it was what I perceived about the Obama's. It's based on reading Michelle's thesis, Obama's past associations, and his actions. I guess I lose my "solid" member status.

[Nickolai]

Okey Okey!

But still what is the connection to Russia?

Nickolai

[Unified Serenity]

Okey Okey!

But still what is the connection to Russia?

Nickolai

Oh, it's the communist aspect of Russia. I am sure their favorite vacation would be at the Kremlin taking classes on how to subvert freedom and individualism.

[Cartomancer]

Another count down deadline. Oh boy. I hope nothing happens to those guys. It will be interesting to see what they came up with if this actually comes out.

[Nickolai]

Not in the mood I suppose?

Otherwise I should take myself as with the Lack of freedom and individualism? If that is the case you are oh, so much mistaken!

What are you saying? Please keep in mind that I am taking you as a highly conscious being,resident of Avalon.

Nickolai
PS And please do not spare a word concerning the communists, Probably you have been brainwashed. My father was communist. I still consider him as highly honest and caring person, as well as others think about him. So spare your words. It's not about communists, It's all about honesty and respect here. So childish of you. Trust me. I was born in the communist country and I know what I am talking about.

Nickolai

[Unified Serenity]

Nickolai,

Facts are facts about ideologies and outcomes. Systems have been proven and that does not speak to the integrity of the people within them. Since you obviously think communism is wonderful, have at it. I don't want my life controlled and I don't want to be part of a collective. I could assess your intelligence and call you names, but that is not part of my belief system of the golden rule.

I let my posts speak for themselves.

[Nickolai]

Unified Serenity,

NO!
That is not what I meant!
No matter what the ideology of the system is there are people who take what goes with them.
The ultimate of communism was good. I won't even bother to discuss that. Huge! No matter how corrupted the russiand system was there were many people who were quire outstanding taking principales literally. They were nice people, trust me! They had a vision of the best of humanity. I am not inro ideology now, but into Russians. Probably that's why in the 90s we had many foreignors who loved to come to the country 'cos they simply were surprised to see this openness, kindness and in a sense naiveness of the people. Too much to say and that is my vision anyway.
Not everything is so simple! You system breaks apart now too. Please do not tell that you see the connection with Russia/Putin/KGB and la-la-la.
Or do tell...))
Whatever...)))

Be good!

Nickolai

[Unified Serenity]

Nickolai,

Have you ever watched Yuri Bezmenov's youtube videos? He is very interesting and the traditional American system and the communist system are not compatible. True capitalism is not what we have here in America anymore. I understand not wanting to discuss those issues. The fact is we have a President who is not aligned with our system and by his actions, writings, who he surrounds himself with makes it very apparent he wishes America to be communist.

Thanks for sharing your experiences though Nickolai.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Nickolai,

Facts are facts about ideologies and outcomes. Systems have been proven and that does not speak to the integrity of the people within them. Since you obviously think communism is wonderful, have at it. I don't want my life controlled and I don't want to be part of a collective. I could assess your intelligence and call you names, but that is not part of my belief system of the golden rule.

I let my posts speak for themselves.
Unified Serenity, I have too been born in communist country. I remember martial law declared in Poland and remeber tanks and army on the streets. Although my family was not involved in neither supporting or opposing the government. I remeber that time when everything was "easy" and you had not to hurry anywhere. No commercials in TV or on the streets. No artificially sustained state of need. No pornography or violence. Today i live in "capitalist" Poland with "free market". You have to be constantly in the hurry you have to constantly work your ass off for nothing and those damn commercials with tits everywhere on them everywhere you go and on every damn TV channel.

Dear Madam, if you live in any country nowdays, you are a part of the collective. Your life is controlled on every step. Like it or not. You can pretend that you live in an alternative world along the mainstream system but until there are countries or flags, we are slaves to that symbols. Globalism is good. But not as it is proposed by NWO pushers. Any "system" that not builds itself on spirituality and love is doomed to fall. Like communism did and the cherished by so many capitalism is about to do...

[21CC]

red + white + blue = lavender!

[Sierra]

Nickolai,

Facts are facts about ideologies and outcomes. Systems have been proven and that does not speak to the integrity of the people within them. Since you obviously think communism is wonderful, have at it. I don't want my life controlled and I don't want to be part of a collective. I could assess your intelligence and call you names, but that is not part of my belief system of the golden rule.

I let my posts speak for themselves.
Unified Serenity, I have too been born in communist country. I remember martial law declared in Poland and remeber tanks and army on the streets. Although my family was not involved in neither supporting or opposing the government. I remeber that time when everything was "easy" and you had not to hurry anywhere. No commercials in TV or on the streets. No artificially sustained state of need. No pornography or violence. Today i live in "capitalist" Poland with "free market". You have to be constantly in the hurry you have to constantly work your ass off for nothing and those damn commercials with tits everywhere on them everywhere you go and on every damn TV channel.

Dear Madam, if you live in any country nowdays, you are a part of the collective. Your life is controlled on every step. Like it or not. You can pretend that you live in an alternative world along the mainstream system but until there are countries or flags, we are slaves to that symbols. Globalism is good. But not as it is proposed by NWO pushers. Any "system" that not builds itself on spirituality and love is doomed to fall. Like communism did and the cherished by so many capitalism is about to do...

Capitalism is a pyramid scheme. That is why we crash every 60 years.

An Avalon member from Romania says the same thing. Life was good under communism. Learned some shocking things about American propaganda re Ceausescu. Now, herbs and vitamins are illegal, his parents are losing their jobs, their government does as they please completely ignoring the will of the people as happens here in the U.S.

Kinda think ANY thing the American media says about other countries (well about anything really) is false. I sure don't believe the whole Libyan travesty. Or the Yemen travesty or the Egypt travesty or Iraq and Afghanistan travesties or the coming Iran travesty ... as for Africa ... (face palm)

The world is rather on fire right now, yes? And American weapons are setting the fires, whether they be media, propaganda, guns, mines (these things follow a particular order every time).

That is why I find the international community so important on Avalon. You really can find out what is going on if you have an open mind.

[Nickolai]

Dear Unified Serenity,

Mr Yuri Bezmenov was the guy who escaped from the regime, and of course (doubt you?) he had to create some stories to feed public.
Man! We have passed that trough in Russia during Perestroyka years. There were so many those KGB guys who were eager to tell how it was in the USSR. Bulls*t!
Anyway! I have come to impression that we are here at the brink of a total change. Something go to happen! I just feel it! And that will be as nothing had been before.
There is no use in using those "-ism"s anymore.
It's gone and forever. We are in a different chapter of the human history.
BUt that is my impression though it is a strong one,

Everyone stay well,

Nickolai

[Arrowwind]

If Michelle said "all this for a dam flag", well I dont blame her.

I will not say the pledge of allegance, nor salute nor give any credence to the flag.

I am very sorry that so many have died under this flag that has flown in so many wars under lies and false pretense.

I am sorry for those who vote under this flag when the ballot boxes are fixed and votes thrown into the trash.

I understand that so many have died under this flag thinking that they were doing the right thing and I grieve for them and the state of national affairs that brought them to their demise.

Our flag was once a great symbol for freedom, and certainly many people do remember that. But where is our freedom now going under this flag? How many lies? How many false flag events? our constitution in near shreds

Perhaps Michelle knows more than we give her credit for.

I have one flag at this time in our current political history and social circumstance.... Don't Tread On Me.

BTW, Obama does represent our nation in all regards, our new one nation, undivisible, under the patriot act.

[LarryC]

Nickolai,

Facts are facts about ideologies and outcomes. Systems have been proven and that does not speak to the integrity of the people within them. Since you obviously think communism is wonderful, have at it. I don't want my life controlled and I don't want to be part of a collective. I could assess your intelligence and call you names, but that is not part of my belief system of the golden rule.

I let my posts speak for themselves.
Unified Serenity, I have too been born in communist country. I remember martial law declared in Poland and remeber tanks and army on the streets. Although my family was not involved in neither supporting or opposing the government. I remeber that time when everything was "easy" and you had not to hurry anywhere. No commercials in TV or on the streets. No artificially sustained state of need. No pornography or violence. Today i live in "capitalist" Poland with "free market". You have to be constantly in the hurry you have to constantly work your ass off for nothing and those damn commercials with tits everywhere on them everywhere you go and on every damn TV channel.

Dear Madam, if you live in any country nowdays, you are a part of the collective. Your life is controlled on every step. Like it or not. You can pretend that you live in an alternative world along the mainstream system but until there are countries or flags, we are slaves to that symbols. Globalism is good. But not as it is proposed by NWO pushers. Any "system" that not builds itself on spirituality and love is doomed to fall. Like communism did and the cherished by so many capitalism is about to do...

Capitalism is a pyramid scheme. That is why we crash every 60 years.

An Avalon member from Romania says the same thing. Life was good under communism. Learned some shocking things about American propaganda re Ceausescu. Now, herbs and vitamins are illegal, his parents are losing their jobs, their government does as they please completely ignoring the will of the people as happens here in the U.S.

Kinda think ANY thing the American media says about other countries (well about anything really) is false. I sure don't believe the whole Libyan travesty. Or the Yemen travesty or the Egypt travesty or Iraq and Afghanistan travesties or the coming Iran travesty ... as for Africa ... (face palm)

The world is rather on fire right now, yes? And American weapons are setting the fires, whether they be media, propaganda, guns, mines (these things follow a particular order every time).

That is why I find the international community so important on Avalon. You really can find out what is going on if you have an open mind.

Capitalism and communism are two sides to the same coin. They were funded by the same bankers. They both worship the model of materialism and industrialism that overtook the world in the 19th Century. I agree that conservative Americans are brainwashed to react against the very word "communism," and have been since the 50s. However, I'm not ready to say that people like Mao and Stalin were heroes. No doubt in communist countries there is a similar anti-capitalist form of brainwashing going on -at least what's left of communism. Now it seems to be militant Islam that's playing the primary anti-American role in the ongoing dialectic that tries to force us to take sides.

If you dig a little, you'll find that many forces within the Western world helped to prop up radical Islam, just as they did Communism. Any kind of ideology is brainwashing, including the belief that a particular ideology is the root of all evil in the world. Now some clever person could say I'm contradicting myself, that this is an ideology in itself. Perhaps, but we can still try to come up with belief systems that are relatively free of indoctrination, or what Robert Anton Wilson called reality tunnels.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Will the residents vote under The Flag in this particular ballot?
Porn condom measure qualifies for ballot (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/05/local/la-me-porn-condoms-20120705):faint:

Why T.A.R.P was not qualified for ballot? Do people "get" using condoms better than bailing out the 2BG2FALL?

[Tangri]

Jackovesk,

Do you have full awareness of the circumstances in regard of her silent rant? Or do you assume she refers to the celebrations in general?

What if the couple had a fight early in the morning. And her rant was a comment to it. And Barack's head nodding was something like: "Yeah... yeah you are right. Bug off..." like when you are weary of fighting and want someone to just stop bugging you and leave you alone. Huh?

Please let us stop dividing ourselves. There is no we or they. There is only us.
"United we stand, divided we fall" :)

Be patient :) There is Eternity waiting for us...

Thank you ROBERT,
If her leap talking translation exacts as is assumed , I would love her.
JOCOVESK is still there. Being stocked at I /we dilemma .FLAGS, RELIGIONS, LANGUAGES, CULTURAL ES are dividing and conflicting humanity.
Do not kill or still for those things.
Love and Peace for all [not for only Americans ]

[goinghome2012]

unified serenity

stop spreading separation and promote unity consciousness, like your forum name

all we need is one flag, the rainbow flag of unconditional love, unity and peace

let's take all the other flags and burn them, transcend them, and embrace the cosmic energies of oneness, unification, equality, cooperation, unconditional love, joy, peace, universal mind

spread the consciousness of unity and love, bye bye polarity, bye bye 3 dimension hello 4th dimension of positive unity thought + love = manifestation = heaven on Earth

[Unified Serenity]

unified serenity

stop spreading separation and promote unity consciousness, like your forum name

all we need is one flag, the rainbow flag of unconditional love, unity and peace

let's take all the other flags and burn them, transcend them, and embrace the cosmic energies of oneness, unification, equality, cooperation, unconditional love, joy, peace, universal mind

spread the consciousness of unity and love, bye bye polarity, bye bye 3 dimension hello 4th dimension of positive unity thought + love = manifestation = heaven on Earth

Oh, we will have unity, one flag, one king, one faith, and a beautiful world, but it won't be by man's doing. I know Divine unity and how we are all part of the creator, but we are also individuals here in kindergarten learning a few truths. Some of us learn them faster than others.

[jackovesk]

Jackovesk,

Do you have full awareness of the circumstances in regard of her silent rant? Or do you assume she refers to the celebrations in general?

What if the couple had a fight early in the morning. And her rant was a comment to it. And Barack's head nodding was something like: "Yeah... yeah you are right. Bug off..." like when you are weary of fighting and want someone to just stop bugging you and leave you alone. Huh?

Please let us stop dividing ourselves. There is no we or they. There is only us.
"United we stand, divided we fall" :)

Be patient :) There is Eternity waiting for us...

Thank you ROBERT,
If her leap talking translation exacts as is assumed , I would love her.
JOCOVESK is still there. Being stocked at I /we dilemma .FLAGS, RELIGIONS, LANGUAGES, CULTURAL ES are dividing and conflicting humanity.
Do not kill or still for those things.
Love and Peace for all [not for only Americans ]

Hey Robert J. Niewiadomski & Levent tonga, don't you just love it when others assume what others are trying to say..?

...and don't ya just love it when they share (Their Opinion) of someone else without looking at what that person is trying to say or trying to get accross..?


i.e. Putting Words in Someone Elses Mouth..! :yes4:

I will have to stand up for myself here and say...

"At Least when I get into a Debate, I try to Open up the Forum to what each side is trying to say and then offer a summary based on plain old 'Commonsense'...:yes4:

Now if both of you would do me the courtesy of actually reading what I have to say in my posts thus far, only then can we have a 'Real Debate'...:)

[nearing]

Jacko:

"Hey Robert J. Niewiadomski & Levent tonga, don't you just love it when others assume what others are trying to say..?"

Exactly what you are doing to M. Obama.

Cripes, this is getting really silly now. The whole divide and conquer thing works as well on this forum as it does in the world at large - sad!.

Can't we let this go already!!!?

[kcbc2010]

While I agree with goinghome2012, there are going to be a lot of bruised egos until we get to the point where people realize that the world isn't going to end if we have only one flag.

A lot of people are very invested in the symbols of their countries....but times that by 1000% and you've got what goes on here in the US. After 9-11, the flag became a lot more important than it was before - especially when GWB did his speech at the bombed out trade center site. Remember how it used to be a big deal if someone wasn't wearing their "flag" pins to show their support for the troops/country. I go to political meetings/events all the time - everyone, it seems, get decked out in their red,white and blue. It's really quite odd, now that I'm really thinking about it. I've always thought of it as a bit goofy because I tend to be a "I'll wear what I want" kinda gal, but it's just another way that these colors and symbols infiltrate people's minds. Reinforces belief systems, etc......

People are emotionally invested in these symbols - and have been fed years of propaganda telling them that these represent everything that they love and cherish and they are the defenders of the free world and all that is righteous.....(ok, slight exaggeration there at the end, but too far off from the truth)

I'm not saying that it's right, but I also realize that I could live without my flag if I really had to. That isn't going to change what's inside my soul. On the other hand, a lot of people have never had a reason to question what they were doing. Rituals/symbols matter to people. I have to admit, I had a hard time saying the pledge the last time I was at a mtg, but I also was a lot more conscious of what I was doing. I also noticed the people around me didn't seem sincere about what they were doing to honor their country. As a result, I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.

Also,I just can't help but laugh every time I see the "hammer/sickle" flag. Years ago, I was watching Fox and up pops these happy Iraqis waving their communist flags. It took them awhile to figure out that they were showing happy communists, and they finally stopped showing the footage after someone clued them into the video they were broadcasting. Now, when I think of Fox I tend to think of those crazy kids jumping around and waving their communist flags and Fox not having enough sense to know what they were broadcasting. (I also have other associations, but they are typical/boring compared to the happy communists) hehe

I tend to agree with Nickolai in that we really need to stop thinking of the world in "-ism's". Nothing's as clear cut as we want it to be. Labels are helpful, but they also distract from the fact that we are still individuals with unique dreams/goals.

I think that's what scares a lot of people when talking about "One World". It isn't so much that we would all be united as people, but people fear a loss of individuality. (And a lot of Americans pride themselves on being individuals, not part of a collective. That's such a fundamental thing to the America psyche, it's really hard to imagine that part of ourselves not being important). My mind hurts just thinking about it (being sleepy really isn't helping) because "U being U" is such a big deal. And what are U if U is now part of a much larger WE? Do U even matter?

[Unified Serenity]

Wow, a lil observation goes a long way to upset some of you. What ever happened to allowing people to say what they think and share their hearts? Some of us see things differently, and trying to stop the conversation only continues the power struggle. I believe many of you also believe we have to embrace the darkness within to become whole. Well, observing things, saying truth as we see it is all part of that.

Allowing others their say is a sign of maturity spiritually speaking, and agreeing to disagree with respect is as well.

[jackovesk]

Jacko:

"Hey Robert J. Niewiadomski & Levent tonga, don't you just love it when others assume what others are trying to say..?"

Exactly what you are doing to M. Obama.

Cripes, this is getting really silly now. The whole divide and conquer thing works as well on this forum as it does in the world at large - sad!.

Can't we let this go already!!!?

You just proved my point...:yes4:

Whatever happened to Debate & Discuss..?

Absolutely Pathetic...:faint:

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Wow !! look at this thread....


"all this for a dam flag"

[Unified Serenity]

This article at infowars was funny in my dark humor sort of way of looking at things. These 10 items should show anyone that no one is this incompetent and what Obama has done to destroy jobs, leave people homeless, destroy families and hope via the economic meltdown has all been a planned assault to weaken America.

So, for all those who love Obama and think he is a light worker, I share this:

Michael Snyder
The American Dream (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-beatings-will-continue-until-morale-improves-10-ways-that-obama-is-killing-jobs-in-america)
Friday, July 6, 2012


Have you ever heard the old saying “the beatings will continue until morale improves”? According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_beatings_will_continue_until_morale_improves), that phrase is often “used sarcastically to indicate the counterproductive nature of such punishment or excessive control over subordinates such as staff in the workplace or children living at home.” Well, apparently Barack Obama believes that the more punishment that he inflicts on the U.S. economy the more we will like him.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/29/1301355920331/Barack-Obama-speaks-on-Li-007.jpg

What other explanation is there for his insane economic policies? The truth is that Barack Obama is killing jobs in America. His regulations are absolutely crippling our businesses, he has been heavily promoting new job killing “free trade” agreements, Obamacare has the potential to be the most job killing law of all time, and he is running up debt that will crush job creation in this country for ages to come. Obama will likely go down as the most anti-business president in U.S. history. He has presided over the worst “recovery” from a recession in post-World War II history, and under his leadership a whole host of economic statistics have steadily gotten worse (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/25-horrible-statistics-about-the-u-s-economy-that-barack-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know). The percentage of working age Americans that have jobshas not bounced back (http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/EMRATIO/) since the end of the last recession, and now the next major economic crisis is rapidly approaching.
Thanks Obama.


The following are 10 ways that Obama is killing jobs in America….


#1 Blocking The Keystone Oil Pipeline
The Keystone pipeline would have created thousands of new jobs. It would have stretched 1,700 miles from Canada to Texas. It would have been a major step toward independence from Middle East oil. It would have brought more than 700,000 barrels of oil a day from the heart of Alberta to refineries in Texas.
It would have revitalized the economies of Montana, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas.
It would have helped reduce energy costs in the United States.
It would have been good for America.
But instead, Barack Obama chose to listen to radical environmental groups and has blocked the plan.
So we all lose.
The lack of a coherent energy policy from this administration has hurt all of us. Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the price of gasoline has risen by about 84 percent (http://www.republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/our-view?ID=e33a7a58-66d2-4491-91f6-aae703cdb370).
Thanks Obama.


#2 Obamacare
As I wrote about the other day (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/15-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-is-a-mind-blowing-disaster-for-america), Obamacare is going to kill countless numbers of jobs.
Obamacare is going to require all businesses that have at least 50 full-time workers to either provide very expensive health insurance for their employees or pay a $2,000 penalty for each worker after the first 30 employees.
This is going to do a few things….
1) It is going to encourage small businesses to stay under the 50 full-time employee cap.
2) It is going to encourage some businesses to fire workers because they are now too expensive to be profitable.
3) It is going to make businesses operating in the United States even less competitive with foreign businesses than they were before. So even more jobs and even more businesses will leave the United States.
But even though Obama knows all of this, he is completely and totally unrepentant about this law. The following is a statement that Obama made at a campaign event (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/obama-health-care-law-is-here-to-stay-128088.html) the other day….

“I’ll work with anybody who wants to work with me to continue to improve our health care system and our health care laws, but the law I passed is here to stay”
#3 Crippling Regulations
The Obama administration has been piling tons of new regulations on to the backs of our businesses and this is absolutely killing many of them.
The Heritage Foundation (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/red-tape-rising-a-2011-mid-year-report) says that “the Obama Administration imposed 75 new major regulations from January 2009 to mid-FY 2011, with annual costs of $38 billion. There were only six major deregulatory actions during that time, with reported savings of just $1.5 billion.”
In addition, right now federal agencies are working on thousands more (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/09/GOP-Obama-regs-are-killing-jobs-548766/1#.T_YYsfVRI_w) new regulations for U.S. businesses.
Just for Obamacare, 13,000 pages (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/lawyers-have-already-drafted-13000-pages-of-regulations-for-new-obamatax-law/) of new regulations have already been written.
How in the world are U.S. businesses supposed to thrive in such an environment?
Sadly, our whole society has become absolutely obsessed with regulations.
The following is a perfect example (http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lifeguard-fired-trying-save-drowning-man-outside-165236910--abc-news-topstories.html) of the “regulation mindset” that is pervading our society these days….

A Florida lifeguard has been booted from his lifeguard chair for running to save a man who was floundering in the surf.
Tomas Lopez , 21, was fired by his supervisor for vacating his lifeguarding zone to save a man drowning in an unprotected area of the beach in Hallandale Beach, Fla., on Monday, reports the Sun Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/hallandale/fl-hallandale-beach-lifeguards-20120703,0,5326638.story).
Lopez’ employer is not paid to patrol the zone where the man had been in trouble.
Can you imagine a lifeguard being fired for saving a drowning man because it was “not his zone”?
That story does not have anything to do with Obama, but it does show the kind of mentality that control freaks such as Obama are imposing on this nation.


#4 Taxes
Barack Obama keeps trying to hit us with sneaky new taxes. There are more than 20 new taxes (http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-obamacare-a5758) in the Obamacare law alone.
Obama does not seem to understand the impact that heavy tax burdens are having on businesses all over America. The following is from a recent Forbes article (http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2011/09/06/no-end-in-sight-to-obamas-job-killing-policies/)….

The president’s (and congressional Democrats’) insistence on higher net taxes is a job-killer in several ways: Higher taxes prevent businesses from expanding and deter consumers from spending. Many in the middle class already feel that taxes are extortionate and, fearing even higher taxes, have decreased their spending, thereby reducing demand for goods and services.
#5 “Free Trade” Agreements
Barack Obama has been prancing all over the nation declaring that “free trade” will mean more jobs for American workers.
By now, hopefully you all know what a lie that is. Every single year, the U.S. buys hundreds of billions of dollars more stuff from the rest of the world than they buy from us. Those dollars could be going to support U.S. jobs and U.S. businesses instead.
Because we have such radically unbalanced trade, our formerly great manufacturing cities are turning into festering sores (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/formerly-great-cities-all-over-america-are-turning-into-open-festering-sores). Cities that were once teeming with economic activity have degenerated into hellholes.
During 2010 alone, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/nov/07/betty-sutton/betty-sutton-says-average-15-us-factories-close-ea/) permanently shut down in the United States every single day.


Overall, the United States has lost more than 56,000 (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/nov/07/betty-sutton/betty-sutton-says-average-15-us-factories-close-ea/) manufacturing facilities since 2001.
So why doesn’t Obama do something about this?
Instead of reversing this trend, he says that he wants even more trade with China.
Well, right now the U.S. spends about 4 dollars (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ft900.pdf) on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.
China hits our goods with ridiculous tariffs and we let them get away with it. According to the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/business/global/china-imposes-new-tariffs-on-some-vehicles-from-the-us.html?_r=1), a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China thanks to all the tariffs.
And Obama wants more of this?


According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs (http://economyincrisis.org/content/trade-deficit-china-could-cost-half-million-jobs) to China every single year.
Do we really want to keep losing those jobs?
According to Professor Alan Blinder of Princeton University, 40 million (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44625759) more U.S. jobs could be sent offshore over the next two decades if current trends continue.
So what is the answer that Obama proposes?
He wants more!


The Obama administration has already made new “free trade” deals with Panama, South Korea and Colombia. In addition, the Obama administration is making the Trans-Pacific Partnership (“the NAFTA of the Pacific (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/giant-sucking-sound-part-2-the-nafta-of-the-pacific-will-soon-allow-millions-more-american-jobs-to-be-shipped-overseas)“) a very high priority.
In addition to killing millions of our jobs, that new treaty would reportedly ban all “Buy American laws (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-obama-negotiating-a-treaty-that-would-essentially-ban-all-buy-american-laws)“.
What in the world is Obama doing?


#6 Killing The Coal Industry On Purpose
New carbon emission rules from the Environmental Protection Agency seem to target coal-powered plants in particular. I guess this fulfills Barack Obama’s promise to kill off the coal industry (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/as-promised-obama-moves-in-to-kill-coal-industry-cheap-energy-with-new-epa-rules/). The following is from the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/epa-to-impose-first-greenhouse-gas-limits-on-power-plants/2012/03/26/gIQAiJTscS_story.html)….

Industry officials and environmentalists said in interviews that the rule, which comes on the heels of tough new requirements that the Obama administration imposed on mercury emissions and cross-state pollution from utilities within the past year, dooms any proposal to build a coal-fired plant that does not have costly carbon controls.
“This standard effectively bans new coal plants,” said Joseph Stanko, who heads government relations at the law firm Hunton and Williams and represents several utility companies. “So I don’t see how that is an ‘all of the above’ energy policy.”
#7 Wasting Money
Instead of spending our money in ways that would be productive for our economy, the Obama administration continues to spend money in some of the most wasteful ways imaginable. The following are just a few examples from one of my previous articles (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/chimps-throwing-poop-and-29-other-mind-blowing-ways-that-the-government-is-wasting-your-money)….
-In 2011, the National Institutes of Health spent $592,527 (http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=b69a6ebd-7ebe-41b7-bb03-c25a5e194365) on a study that sought to figure out once and for all why chimpanzees throw poop.


-The National Institutes of Health has spent more than 5 million dollars (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/19/nih-under-fire-for-grants-toward-creation-homoerotic-website/#ixzz1sVTIKewp) on a website called Sexpulse that is targeted at “men who use the Internet to seek sex with men”. According to Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/19/nih-under-fire-for-grants-toward-creation-homoerotic-website/#ixzz1sVTIKewp), the website “includes pornographic images of homosexual sex as well as naked and scantily clad men” and features “a Space Invaders-style interactive game that uses a penis-shaped blaster to shoot down gay epithets.”


-If you can believe it, the federal government has actually spent $750,000 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/28/guantanamo-detainees-get-new-750g-soccer-field/) on a new soccer field for detainees held at Guantanamo Bay.
You can find many more examples of this phenomenon here (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/30-stupid-things-the-governemnt-is-spending-money-on) and here (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/chimps-throwing-poop-and-29-other-mind-blowing-ways-that-the-government-is-wasting-your-money).


#8 Barack Obama Encourages Government Dependence
At the same time that Barack Obama is absolutely crippling small businesses, he is also encouraging more Americans to kick back and become financially dependent on the federal government. But it is not good to have tens of millions of Americans sitting around and doing nothing productive for the economy.
Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has increased from 32 million to 46 million (http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34snapmonthly.htm).
But for Obama that is not enough.


Amazingly, the Obama administration has been spending millions of dollars (http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/) on ads that encourage even more people to go on food stamps….

The U.S. Department of Agriculture has been running radio ads for the past four months encouraging those eligible to enroll. The campaign is targeted at the elderly, working poor, the unemployed and Hispanics.
The department is spending between $2.5 million and $3 million on paid spots, and free public service announcements are also airing. The campaign can be heard in California, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio, and the New York metro area.
Overall, the amount of money that the federal government gives directly to the American people has increased by 32 percent (http://news.investors.com/Article/598993/201201260805/entitlements-soar-under-president-obama.htm)since Barack Obama entered the White House.
Barack Obama may enjoy playing Santa Claus with our money, but this is getting way out of hand.


#9 Barack Obama Has Fully Supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke And Actually Nominated Him For A Second Term
More Americans than ever are coming to realize that the Federal Reserve (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/is-the-federal-reserve-doing-a-good-job) is at the very heart of our economic problems.
And who has been running the Federal Reserve during these troubled times?
Ben Bernanke.


Sadly, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has a track record of failure that is absolutely legendary. If you have forgotten how badly he has performed over the years, just check out this article (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/bernanke-says-that-any-criticism-of-the-federal-reserve-is-based-on-misconceptions), this article (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/say-what-30-ben-bernanke-quotes-that-are-so-stupid-that-you-wont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry) and this article (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/is-ben-bernanke-a-liar-a-lunatic-or-is-he-just-completely-and-totally-incompetent).
But instead of dumping him when his first term ended, Barack Obama decided to nominate Ben Bernanke for another term.
Why does it seem like every single decision that Barack Obama makes is bad for the economy?


#10 The Soaring National Debt Is Killing Millions Upon Millions Of Future Jobs
The debt that Barack Obama is piling up right now will haunt the U.S. economy for ages to come.


When Barack Obama first entered the White House, the U.S. national debt was sitting at 10.6 trillion dollars. Now it is right on the verge of crossing the 16 trillion dollar mark.
Amazingly, Obama has added more to the national debt than the first 41 presidents combined.


At this point, the United States has more government debt per capita (http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/images/-1.img_assist_custom-640x421.png) than Greece, Portugal, Italy, Ireland or Spain does.
But Barack Obama shows no sign of slowing down. In fact, the federal government continues to steal (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/barack-obama-lets-steal-150-million-dollars-an-hour-from-our-children) approximately 150 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour.
In the end, this is going to absolutely destroy our financial system and our economy will collapse.

[sigma6]

I can't believe that people in this forum still think in terms of liberals vs conservatives, I thought we were all beyond that... it's all 100% pure 'dog and pony' show, a justification for taking your money no more real then soap opera stars that 'emotionally involve' you to justify their paychecks, it's exactly the same thing... if you believe the 'storyline' and are making comments on it, you just got sucked in... if Brietbart had dirt on Obama, what is so hard to believe about that? show the tapes and let the people judge ... they are ALL DIRTY

[Sierra]

Capitalism and communism are two sides to the same coin. They were funded by the same bankers. They both worship the model of materialism and industrialism that overtook the world in the 19th Century. I agree that conservative Americans are brainwashed to react against the very word "communism," and have been since the 50s. However, I'm not ready to say that people like Mao and Stalin were heroes. No doubt in communist countries there is a similar anti-capitalist form of brainwashing going on -at least what's left of communism. Now it seems to be militant Islam that's playing the primary anti-American role in the ongoing dialectic that tries to force us to take sides.

If you dig a little, you'll find that many forces within the Western world helped to prop up radical Islam, just as they did Communism. Any kind of ideology is brainwashing, including the belief that a particular ideology is the root of all evil in the world. Now some clever person could say I'm contradicting myself, that this is an ideology in itself. Perhaps, but we can still try to come up with belief systems that are relatively free of indoctrination, or what Robert Anton Wilson called reality tunnels.

Yup. We installed the leaders of Iraq, Libya, Iran (the Shah, dreadful torturer), South Vietnam, I think we messed with Indonesia in the 60s or 70s, that drug runner leader of Nicaragua (gosh we are hard on our puppets!) was one of ours, and I am sure you could come up with a few more. It is all one world government, and both U.S. political parties are controlled by the same people, who rotate in and out of office. There is no difference, despite the polarized branding.

My point was I don't believe what the U.S. media says about any country now. It is all brainwashing, to produce internal and external "enemies" to focus upon, rather than the welfare of humanity.

[crested-duck]

That articles should make everyone realise these are all direct british oligarchical principles being implemented. And if you seriously ask yourself WHY...and do some critical thinking about it, you will come to the truth. The truth is usa is a british owned colony just like all the rest worldwide subjects of the crown. Does it make sense to you now why Obama bows to and kisses the ring of the queen????Or are you just another fool that thinks you are free, when you actually are not, nor have you ever been. And to top it off if you research "papal -bulls" you will discover the RCC claims ownership of all souls on earth, and that they gave the british monarchy their"authority " to rule the earth. Try to prove me wrong and you just might learn a thing or two about a thing or two.---Rob

[TelosianEmbrace]

Now, a circular flag, that's what I'd like to see. Or maybe a three dimensional circular flag that changes colour if you look at it from a different angle. A glow in the dark flag.

Better still, no more flags to divide us. No more corporate logos. No more secret signs and symbols. Nothing but sacred geometry, divine harmony and a blissful and content Mother Earth to shower us with Her abundance.

But no, we have to talk around in circles about something that is really quite silly and superfluous.

[Mulder]

"Because we have such radically unbalanced trade, our formerly great manufacturing cities are turning into festering sores. Cities that were once teeming with economic activity have degenerated into hellholes. During 2010 alone, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities permanently shut down in the United States every single day."

Wow, this is scarey, but where are the new jobs in the USA - working for the TSA, in Prisons and soon for the IRS - the 14,000 new tax collectors - what next is the big question? Maybe there'll only be 2 jobs in your town: either a prison-guard or a prisoner!

[Unified Serenity]

Yes, the great brotherhood of equality. Someone once wrote a book about that called "Animal Farm". Someone else really tried it hard and they were called the Soviet Union. Yes, where all were equal, no religion allowed, no differences, no haves and have nots. Well, except for some were more equal than others, and some got sent to the gulag for asking a question or thinking critically, or was it just thinking? Some killed 70 million of their fellow equals. Yes, pretending we are all one and that by removing stupid things like National identity, money, religion will bring us piece is a pipe dream in our present condition. Man's heart is exceedingly wicked, reprobate, greedy, selfish, and violent. We might make it one day by the grace of God/dess, but today, well let's just say, we aren't the sharpest tools in the shed yet.

Oh, and as an afterthought, Michelle Obama has not shown a deeply spiritual side. Her comment which I do believe was about the flag was not the discussion we are having. She has disdain for her country. Why, it was only 3 years ago that she said "For the first time I am proud of my country". So, she has loathed this country, it's people, well the white people and the fat people. She said she hates fat people from what I recall. So, I think the issue for me, is when I look for a President and a First lady, I want to know they love my country and it's heritage, and do not exhibit disdain and loathing and feel they need to apologize around the world for all of our failings, and kneel bow and kiss the a$$ of every mulah, queen, and sheik they meet.

[VirgoSun79]

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.

http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Me too.....:pound:

I couldn't agree more http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

I can't breathe LOL!! ;)

[Unified Serenity]

I think this applies regarding the questioning of who the Obama's are for and my comment regarding what I look for in a President and First Lady:

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[ghostrider]

remember her statement when they were first elected, ( For the first time in my life I'm proud of my country.) she is only proud when she and hubby are in charge. they are doing so much damage to america , the masses don't get it. No matter what statement she made in the video , they are arrogant, ego driven , maniacs that think if the world will just do what they say , we won't have any problems. Change the ocuppants of the white house , America is still the same, they don't run anything, they just say what they are told , JFk was a reminder to future presidents do what you are told or we will take you for a ride with the top down. Then her next kick was to tell you what to feed your children, like adults don't know what to feed their own kids, that kind of $#^! makes me furious ! I wonder how we lived this long without osama I mean obama and know it all to tell us what to do.:mad2:

[ghostrider]

unified serenity

stop spreading separation and promote unity consciousness, like your forum name

all we need is one flag, the rainbow flag of unconditional love, unity and peace

let's take all the other flags and burn them, transcend them, and embrace the cosmic energies of oneness, unification, equality, cooperation, unconditional love, joy, peace, universal mind

spread the consciousness of unity and love, bye bye polarity, bye bye 3 dimension hello 4th dimension of positive unity thought + love = manifestation = heaven on Earth

Oh, we will have unity, one flag, one king, one faith, and a beautiful world, but it won't be by man's doing. I know Divine unity and how we are all part of the creator, but we are also individuals here in kindergarten learning a few truths. Some of us learn them faster than others.

you tgo girl , you been on a roll lately !

[Unified Serenity]

Obama cannot be trusted. He words mean nothing compared to his actions. He is going to try to be re-elected, and regardless of believing in honest elections or not, people's minds and hearts will be acting, and how many will vote for Obama knowing his factual history. How many will vote for Romney knowing his history and flip flopping. My point is, facts speak for themselves, and people need to honestly assess our leaders from what they say vs. what they do or what actually happens:


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[risveglio]

I think you have to be soulless (or naive) to vote for Obama or Romney.

[ghostrider]

I vote for no one. who would they put in there if no one votes ? ha ha

[pilotsimone]

I think you have to be soulless (or naive) to vote for Obama or Romney.

I think 'soulless' is getting a little dramatic, don't you? lol.

[risveglio]

I think you have to be soulless (or naive) to vote for Obama or Romney.

I think 'soulless' is getting a little dramatic, don't you? lol.

Well, I did say "or naive".

[eileenrose]

Title of Article: Third whistle blower confirms Obama’s participation in CIA jump room program of early 1980’s

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By Alfred Lambremont Webre

VANCOUVER, B.C. – A third whistle blower has confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was a participant in the CIA’s teleportation "jump room" program of the early 1980’s.

Bernard Mendez made this allegation during a seminar held in Vancouver, British Columbia on June 1st under the auspices of the B.C.-based ExoUniversity.org.

During the seminar, Mr. Mendez stated that he, Mr. Obama, former DARPA director Regina E. Dugan, Andrew D. Basiago, and William B. Stillings attended a jump room training class taught by Maj. Ed Dames at College of the Siskiyous in Summer 1980.

Bernard Mendez also stated that he teleported with Mr. Obama and Mr. Basiago in jumps that took place from 1981 to 1983, when Obama and Basiago were college students.

At the time, Mr. Mendez, who once served as a special assistant to President Richard M. Nixon, was investigating the jump room program for the US intelligence community.

On November 8, 2011, this reporter was the first to report revelations made by Basiago and Stillings that Obama served with them in the jump room program of the early 1980’s.

The two chrononauts then appeared on late night talk radio’s Coast-to-Coast AM with Laura Magdalene Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of US President Dwight D. Eisenhower, to discuss their involvement in the US secret space program.

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It gets more interesting than this as you read along, including comments (and begs the very first question....is this a hoax? put out to get distract??).

I don't know myself. Perhaps one of you do?

Anyway...to carry on for the moment...

But if any of it is true, I am welling to take a leap and talk about it here on PA (even though this isn't one my fields of self study myself...except as a hobby. ie. I don't have a good back ground that helps figure this one out, ie. this story, if it is made up or not).

Source: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/third-whistle-blower-confirms-obamas-participation-in-cia-jump-room-program-of-early-1980s.html
(http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/third-whistle-blower-confirms-obamas-participation-in-cia-jump-room-program-of-early-1980s.html)
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The interesting parts are as follow (some from comments posted along with the article, by some people who seem to know what is going on here).

2nd snip (though please read the entire article from the link I posted above, too).


1980-83 CIA jump room program

During the ExoUniversity.org seminar, Mr. Mendez explained that his mission to evaluate the CIA’s jump room program originated from discrepancies being reported by the jump rooms on the U.S. east and west coasts, respectively. The east coast jump room was located in New York City, the west coast jump room in El Segundo, CA.

According to Mendez, the jump room technology had been transferred from a species of Grey extraterrestrials to the U.S. government. The west coast and east coast jump rooms were reporting up to 40 incidents of participant injuries per month occurring during jump room “teleportation” to unknown environments in space. Yet, several days after each teleportation jump, the reported injuries to participants had disappeared.

Both the east coast and west coast CIA jump rooms experienced losing power at times when their control room in Ohio was reporting normal operation of both jump rooms. The speculation was that the source of the jump room technology – Grey extraterrestrials – may have been covertly interfering with the functioning of the jump room teleportation technology, unbeknownst to control room operators in Ohio.

end snip

[eileenrose]

Here is a free short introduction to an interview on this topic

http://www.exouniversity.org/

Really gets going at 9 minute mark. Has anyone seen the full length version? (and I didn't find another thread on this topic, but if there is, the moderator is welcome to move this there).

This discussion is more about 'slots'. Which are holes in space time that they are claiming, in this interview, to be created by Greys. Very interesting indeed.

But it is only a intro (a carrot) and you have to sign up to take their course in order to see the full length version (or so it reads on their website). But still....sounds interesting (a new order of things?...mmm....). Anyway,...says this on their site about the full length version coming out soon.

quote

Forum 5. Internet release date: Sunday Nov. 11, 2012

“The Jump Room: Three participants discuss the CIA’s teleportation program of the 1980s” with Andrew D. Basiago, Bernard Mendez, William B. Stillings, and Alfred Lambremont Webre (Moderator)

[crossroader]

I can't believe that people in this forum still think in terms of liberals vs conservatives, I thought we were all beyond that... it's all 100% pure 'dog and pony' show, a justification for taking your money no more real then soap opera stars that 'emotionally involve' you to justify their paychecks, it's exactly the same thing... if you believe the 'storyline' and are making comments on it, you just got sucked in... if Brietbart had dirt on Obama, what is so hard to believe about that? show the tapes and let the people judge ... they are ALL DIRTY


Love the quote I just ran into from Frank Zappa: “Government is the Entertainment division of the military-industrial complex.”

[Humble Janitor]

*Yawn*

Where's that video of Bush calling that reporter an asshole? What about Cheney's diss of Leahy?

My point being, presidents and their wives say stupid **** all the time.

It's the perfect distraction for Avalon though!

Nevermind the search for the truth, it's a video of Obama and his wife dissing flag-waving sycophants. :rolleyes:

[jimmer]

knowing what we know about obama at this point,
anyone standing on the sidelines complaining,
deserves what will be dumped on us during a second term.
unless you live on a private island in international waters,
it's important for every american to be rid of obama and his minion.
as for romney, he is the only chance to turn things around.
any other vote or non-vote is an affirmation for the obama cause.

sure things aren't perfect, they never will be,
but we PAers need to be thinking realists,
when called upon.

[crosby]

I am doing a write in this year: my candidate: Vermin Supreme! take a look at this video, the man is for real and he may look like a fool, but he is getting the word out on who the fools really are.

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there are many youtubes out there for him. take a look. great stuff!
warmest, corson

free ponies........ ahhhh, who wouldn't want a free pony?

[NancyV]

If you don't vote, you're basically voting for Obama. Romney should at LEAST be slightly better. No one else can win so a write in vote for, say, Ron Paul, would be a vote for Obama. I was going to quite voting again this year and only started voting when I was in my 40's because I detest politicians. But I will vote against Obama and that means I'll vote for Romney.

If voting doesn't mean anything at all then it's just an exercise in futility, but it will make me feel good for a few minutes as I state my enthusiastic disapproval of Obama with a vote against him. Of course it's all a temporary game and none of it ultimately matters, but sometimes I indulge in playing the game!

[Maia Gabrial]

Romney wouldn't be the answer to our problems either. From what I've found out he's just as corrupt as any criminal. If he were REALLY vetted, what would be found? Billions of dollars for his part in a fraud....?

Would praying for a miracle help? Our political system is busted.... IMO, none of the candidates would be as good as Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura.

[Unified Serenity]

Unfortunately, It matters not who votes, but who counts the votes, and that is now a company in Spain.

[jimmer]

If you don't vote, you're basically voting for Obama. Romney should at LEAST be slightly better. No one else can win so a write in vote for, say, Ron Paul, would be a vote for Obama. I was going to quite voting again this year and only started voting when I was in my 40's because I detest politicians. But I will vote against Obama and that means I'll vote for Romney.

If voting doesn't mean anything at all then it's just an exercise in futility, but it will make me feel good for a few minutes as I state my enthusiastic disapproval of Obama with a vote against him. Of course it's all a temporary game and none of it ultimately matters, but sometimes I indulge in playing the game!

thanks for the help, nancyV.
no matter how disenchanted we get over politics,
this time around, we need to get it together and defeat obama.
he is as he was, the real manchurian candidate/president.
fiction meets reality and not in a good way.
lies, misdirection and more lies can not be rewarded.

[Maia Gabrial]

I really liked Glenn Beck back in the day. He did his best to get the truth out. He really proved that this faux govt had the biggest liars and deceivers....
Okay, my problem with this is even with all the lies on tape, why the hell aren't we doing something about it? They didn't even consider the Constitution in any of their plans, so why aren't these politicians and Obama called traitors yet? Do people even know what to do with traitors? Are they afraid? Some people think Obama is the antichrist. Is that why they won't do anything?

It would be really interesting to see how this lawyer who studied the Constitution for 10 years, will attempt to talk his way out of prosecution, using the same Constitution that he disrespected. He considered himself above that sacred document. Be interesting to watch him scream for his constitutional rights when the time comes.... And the same goes for the rest of the traitors....

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Seriously I gave up the interest in these presidents and prime ministers. I'm british and I don't know who england's PM is ? I'm based in Japan and have no idea who the PM is there. The only reason I know Obama is President is because of how much publicity the US shoves around the globe as if it really matters who's doing the speeches.

I don't even like seeing peoples opinions about these puppets. Politics is boring. I don't even see connections with these people and the real rulers. It's as if they are there for sheer entertainment purposes.

It's embarrassing to see people voting in/out people with such enthusiasm.. no sorry, it's bloody scary.

[jimmer]

I really liked Glenn Beck back in the day. He did his best to get the truth out. He really proved that this faux govt had the biggest liars and deceivers....
Okay, my problem with this is even with all the lies on tape, why the hell aren't we doing something about it? They didn't even consider the Constitution in any of their plans, so why aren't these politicians and Obama called traitors yet? Do people even know what to do with traitors? Are they afraid? Some people think Obama is the antichrist. Is that why they won't do anything?

It would be really interesting to see how this lawyer who studied the Constitution for 10 years, will attempt to talk his way out of prosecution, using the same Constitution that he disrespected. He considered himself above that sacred document. Be interesting to watch him scream for his constitutional rights when the time comes.... And the same goes for the rest of the traitors....

unfortunately, those who would fight the lies through an impeachment process just don't want to get into
the eventual charges of 'racism' that would surely follow.
the media, like never before, is openly lying/fighting for obama.
our only defense is our educated vote.

[Finefeather]

Seriously I gave up the interest in these presidents and prime ministers. I'm british and I don't know who england's PM is ? I'm based in Japan and have no idea who the PM is there. The only reason I know Obama is President is because of how much publicity the US shoves around the globe as if it really matters who's doing the speeches.

I don't even like seeing peoples opinions about these puppets. Politics is boring. I don't even see connections with these people and the real rulers. It's as if they are there for sheer entertainment purposes.

It's embarrassing to see people voting in/out people with such enthusiasm.. no sorry, it's bloody scary.

I like this...

If you play their game, you will loose.
If you reject their game, they have no one to control.

[danceblackcatdance]

I agree with SKIBAD..

"politics is 'hollywood' for ugly people". imo

sorry if thats offensive :)

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Is anyone able (with the time, which I dont have) able to cross reference any of the information, or names stated in this to confirm whether Obama was there around that time?

[mountain_jim]

Thanks for this post. For some reason, I always am interested in this line of inquiry, in spite of lack of evidence and Bill's well-stated opinions about Basiagio. Webre and Basagio are always together on this stuff.


Wayne Madsen writes voluminously about Obama's family CIA ties,

A commenter at the link mentioned this, and I have found Madsen's research and writings about this subject very plausible. Obama's college years past is definitely murky.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/18/wayne-madsen-obamas-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/



Special Report: The Story of Obama: All in The Company Part I -

By Wayne Madsen

WMR [Wayne Madsen Report] has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather.

President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.
.....
< lots of research detail >

In 1973, after CIA Director James Schlesinger ordered a review of all CIA programs, the CIA developed a set of documents on various CIA programs collectively called the “Family Jewels.” Most of these documents were released in 2007 but it was also revealed that Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA’s director of MKULTRA, the agency’s behavior modification, brainwashing, and drug testing component, had been ordered by Helms, before he resigned as CIA director, to be destroyed. Duckett, in one memo from Ben Evans of the CIA to CIA Director William Colby, dated May 8, 1973, conveys that he “thinks the Director would be ill-advised to say he is acquainted with this program,” meaning Gottlieb’s drug testing program under MKULKTRA.

Senior Gerald Ford administration officials, including Chief of Staff Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, ensured that after the production of the “Family Jewels” documents, no CIA revelations were made about CIA psychological behavior-altering programs, including MKULTRA and Project ARTICHOKE.

The May 15, 1972, set of memos appears to be related to the CIA’s initial research, code named SCANATE, in 1972 into psychic warfare, including the use of psychics for purposes of remote viewing espionage and mind control. The memo discussed Kibler from ARPA and “his contractor,” which was later discovered to be Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.

In a memo from CIA Director Helms to, among others, Duckett, Huizenga, Proctor, and the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which later inherited reote viewing from the CIA under the code name GRILL FLAME, Helms insists that ARPA had been supporting research into behavioral science and its potential for intelligence production ”for a number of years” at “M.I.T., Yale, the University of Michigan, U.C.L.A., and University of Hawaii and other institutions as well as in corporate research facilities.”

The role of the University of Hawaii in CIA psych-war operations continues to this day. The chief of research for DIA’s Defense Counterintelligence and Human Intelligence Center (DCHC) Behavioral Sciences Program, Dr. Susan Brandon, who was reportedly involved in a covert program run by the American Psychological Association (APA), Rand Corporation, and the CIA to employ “enhanced interrogation” techniques, including sleep and sensory deprivation, intense pain, and extreme isolation on prisoners held at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan and other “black prisons,” received her PhD in Psychology from the University of Hawaii. Brandon also served as assistant director of Social, Behavioral, and Educational Sciences for the Office of Science and Technology Policy in the George W. Bush White House.

The CIA’s close connections to the University of Hawaii continued to the late 1970s, when the former President of the University of Hawaii from 1969 to 1974, Harlan Cleveland, was a special invited speaker at CIA headquarters on May 10, 1977. Cleveland served as Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs from 1961 to 1965 and Lyndon Johnson’s ambassador to NATO from 1965 to 1969 before taking up his position at the University of Hawaii.

A CIA Director of Training memo dated May 21, 1971, reports on the active recruitment of a U.S. Marine officer who was entering graduate school at the University of Hawaii.

The Family of Obama and the CIA

There are volumes of written material on the CIA backgrounds of George H. W. Bush and CIA-related activities by his father and children, including former President George W. Bush. Barack Obama, on the other hand, cleverly masked his own CIA connections as well as those of his mother, father, step-father, and grandmother (there is very little known about Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham, who was supposedly in the furniture business in Hawaii after serving in Europe during World War II). Presidents and vice presidents do not require security background checks, unlike other members of the federal government, to hold office. That job is left up to the press. In 2008, the press failed miserably in its duty to vet the man who would win the White House. With the ties of Obama’s parents to the University of Hawaii and its links to MKULTRA and ARTICHOKE, a nagging question remains: Is Barack Obama a real-life “Manchurian Candidate?”

[StarDust]

I found Basiago's testimony about Jump Rooms to be fascinating.

[eileenrose]

And what was very revealing....though hard to catch the drift of....is the casual way the video from post #2 can affect your thinking. I mean that are revealing that time doesn't exist....and substantiating it.

[eileenrose]

Second article out today. Sound's like a re-hash of the previous one.

This quote is from Exopolitics.com

One interesting tidbit (for me anyway) regarding Aliens there (at the jump sites)

"Michael Relfe also discusses the presence and functions of Reptilian and Grey extraterrestrials at the secret Mars colony.

“
EL: What about the Reptilians?

Michael Relfe: Yes. They are racially related (Draconians, Reptilians, Grays.)

EL: Do any Grays and Reptilians live on the Mars Base?

Michael Relfe: Yes, some are stationed there. I remember the Grays as doctors or technicians. I believe the Reptilians stay camouflaged (cloaked) most of the time. They prefer to appear human because they are naturally fierce-looking.” (Vol. 2, page 205)"

Link: http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/1989-lecture-and-affidavit-by-naval-intelligence-officer-milton-william-cooper-corroborates-us-mars-bases-and-time-travel-a.html (http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/07/1989-lecture-and-affidavit-by-naval-intelligence-officer-milton-william-cooper-corroborates-us-mars-bases-and-time-travel-a.html)

Title (or subtitle): "1989 lecture and affidavit by Naval Intelligence officer Milton William Cooper corroborates U.S. Mars bases and time travel accounts of DARPA whistleblower Basiago, CIA whistleblowers Mendez and Stillings"

[mountain_jim]

That last link brings a lot of this info together. It also references The Mars Records - Relfe material which I downloaded a few weeks ago.

Webre has done a good job of tying the 'strings' of witness testimony together to support his case. And he writes well.

[Lost Soul]

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future.

http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Me too.....:pound:

Agree. Too much Kool Aid.

[Unified Serenity]

Yes, Obama has a dream from his father:

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¤=[Post Update]=¤

This trailer was great:

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[Unified Serenity]

What do we really know about Obama, his past, his life because it's all kept hidden. This is a great speech by Mr. Dinesh D'Souza at CPAC:

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The above clips are a new movie coming out apparently. Observations and questions brought forward by D'Souza are very important. What will America look like in 2016 if Obama has a second term?

[DouglasDanger]

Jacko............We know there is no "I" in team
But there is an "M" and an "E" (me!)



Sierra..... I love you... Olive Juice...
Elephant Shoe! ;)


" Larry and Moe", All for one!!. One for All!. "The Great Curley" .... I for Myself!...


This is a place for all discussions, I don't agree on every one of them, I have Boo'd one.. called "Bad Form" on another, it's my opinion, which is what I do like about this place. You get educated responces, you get uneducated ones, but you get discussion! Everyone gets disgruntled on off days and questions why they are here/ questions others why they are here and thier motives. We are all on the same planet enduring the same chaos of truth and fiction... I have come to expect no less and I
expect the unexpected


If it realy is what she said "all this for a Effin' flag" she realy has no heart.. Obama does not deserve a second term anyway, he was a firework that fizzled, his flare is gone.. But he did bring change to America.
He changed it from classic restorable Mustang/Charger/Firebird, into a piece of crapola rusted out Pinto about to explode if hit to hard.. Either way her frame is rotten to the core and the Paint/body code and type (constitution) is fading quickly.. the hard work needs to start now or she'll only be good for crushing melting down and forming new from..

[dreamer]

Jack, time to check yourself, you are getting really desperate now. Absolutely ludicris to reach so far beyond reason. Be careful you don't reach too far, once you go over the line, it's hard to get your mind back. Seems you have a hidden agenda against this president and I really don't feel you have his best interest for this country and it's citizens, at heart for peace. Divisive drivel deserves to be in Drudge, not a spiritual site in search of the "truth."

I will continue to pray to God for you to begin to understand that this President has done nothing against the country or people, but is trying his best, to make it safe and right for when we pass the torch of freedom in their future. Truth must be told to enable them to make valid solutions. This is not the truth. Some right-wing leaning teacher? Where do you get this stuff of doubt Jack?

Holy crap , just started reading this thread... and have to stop here for a sec, what an attack, talk about dividing. who do you think you are!?'?!? What do you think Avalon is!?!? You are poorly informed obviously, or you are sent here to divide and fracture our community. oh my...
I better stop now before I get to the Obama comment... ( insert little face with head exploding here )... oh my...

[dreamer]

*Yawn*

Where's that video of Bush calling that reporter an asshole? What about Cheney's diss of Leahy?

My point being, presidents and their wives say stupid **** all the time.

It's the perfect distraction for Avalon though!

Nevermind the search for the truth, it's a video of Obama and his wife dissing flag-waving sycophants. :rolleyes:

The statement is far more reaching than a simple diss to a coworker, for the potus , or another national leader, to make a comment like that about the country he is sworn to defend, shows they have no love and respect for the people who put him in office and believed in him, nor concern for the country represented by said flag. and all the while posing as the opposite....

what a hypocrite, his minions are obviously busy, perhaps here @ Avalon

[Unified Serenity]

the hard work needs to start now or she'll only be good for crushing melting down and forming new from..

Actually Douglas, I think that is the point of his Presidency.

http://robomonkey.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/obamas-work.jpg

[jackovesk]

*Yawn*

Where's that video of Bush calling that reporter an asshole? What about Cheney's diss of Leahy?

My point being, presidents and their wives say stupid **** all the time.

It's the perfect distraction for Avalon though!

Nevermind the search for the truth, it's a video of Obama and his wife dissing flag-waving sycophants. :rolleyes:

The statement is far more reaching than a simple diss to a coworker, for the potus , or another national leader, to make a comment like that about the country he is sworn to defend, shows they have no love and respect for the people who put him in office and believed in him, nor concern for the country represented by said flag. and all the while posing as the opposite....

what a hypocrite, his minions are obviously busy, perhaps here @ Avalon

:bump:....................

[jagman]

Michelle Obama " For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country." The Obama administration is chalked full of radicals. I wasn't a
fan of the Bush administration either but things have gone to far. The United States is under attack from with in. Barack & Michelle have done thier
best to divide our country down economic and racial lines, And to a certain degree it's worked. This has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with him
being a black man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UhxI68eS6Bw

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0JLZUSRJwJI

[jackovesk]

Michelle Obama " For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country." The Obama administration is chalked full of radicals. I wasn't a
fan of the Bush administration either but things have gone to far. The United States is under attack from within. Barack & Michelle have done thier best to divide our country down economic and racial lines, And to a certain degree it's worked. This has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with him being a black man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UhxI68eS6Bw

:bump:

You know what really :mad2: ANGERS :mad2: me jagman..?

....is the (Fact) that so many are absolutely OBLIVIOUS to the Out & Out DECEPTION...!

These people (incl: some Avalonians) deserve (EVER SINGLE THING) their going to get..!

How bloody Stupid & Ignorant some people are (especially those who should know better), never ceases to Amaze-Me...:faint:

Sarc: Makes you want to join Michelle & Barry's Minions & Govt. Thugs just to (TEACH them a LESSON)...:sarcastic:

The Cointel-Pro, NLP & Doublespeak spewing out orally from the Obama's :bad: is 'Mindbogglingly so Bloody OBVIOUS' I shant rant no-more..!!!

Take a Deep-Breath jackovesk and end this post whilst your still a member here...:faint:

[D-Day]

Geez, settle down Jack... seems you have your knickers all in a twist mate! lol

I reckon you've been watching a little too much of Alex Jones' brand of "sensationalist journalism" ;)

There are better ways to wake people up besides carrying on like a pork chop using bold and coloured text to make people feel inferior.

Personally I'd say even you are only seeing "the game" from your own limited perspective.

Granted, you may have a few more pieces of the puzzle connected than some others here do... but that doesn't mean you've got the big picutre all figured out.

Calling people stupid, ignorant so-and-so's really isn't helping anyone much - is it?

Might I suggest that you take a chill pill and refocus your energy into something more productive - like sharing your truth/wisdom in a respectful, informative way like you normally do.

Just a thought........

[Unified Serenity]

Geez, settle down Jack... seems you have your knickers all in a twist mate! lol

I reckon you've been watching a little too much of Alex Jones' brand of "sensationalist journalism" ;)

There are better ways to wake people up besides carrying on like a pork chop using bold and coloured text to make people feel inferior.

Personally I'd say even you are only seeing "the game" from your own limited perspective.

Granted, you may have a few more pieces of the puzzle connected than some others here do... but that doesn't mean you've got the big picutre all figured out.

Calling people stupid, ignorant so-and-so's really isn't helping anyone much - is it?

Might I suggest that you take a chill pill and refocus your energy into something more productive - like sharing your truth/wisdom in a respectful, informative way like you normally do.

Just a thought........

I do love this forum!

[jackovesk]

Geez, settle down Jack... seems you have your knickers all in a twist mate! lol

I reckon you've been watching a little too much of Alex Jones' brand of "sensationalist journalism" ;)

There are better ways to wake people up besides carrying on like a pork chop using bold and coloured text to make people feel inferior.

Personally I'd say even you are only seeing "the game" from your own limited perspective.

Granted, you may have a few more pieces of the puzzle connected than some others here do... but that doesn't mean you've got the big picutre all figured out.

Calling people stupid, ignorant so-and-so's really isn't helping anyone much - is it?

Might I suggest that you take a chill pill and refocus your energy into something more productive - like sharing your truth/wisdom in a respectful, informative way like you normally do.

Just a thought........

Every now & then for my own well-being/sanity, I need to take the gloves off :boxing: and let off some pent up steam/anger...:faint:

Look - No Bolding http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/balloons-smiley.gif?1292867552

[D-Day]

Geez, settle down Jack... seems you have your knickers all in a twist mate! lol

I reckon you've been watching a little too much of Alex Jones' brand of "sensationalist journalism" ;)

There are better ways to wake people up besides carrying on like a pork chop using bold and coloured text to make people feel inferior.

Personally I'd say even you are only seeing "the game" from your own limited perspective.

Granted, you may have a few more pieces of the puzzle connected than some others here do... but that doesn't mean you've got the big picutre all figured out.

Calling people stupid, ignorant so-and-so's really isn't helping anyone much - is it?

Might I suggest that you take a chill pill and refocus your energy into something more productive - like sharing your truth/wisdom in a respectful, informative way like you normally do.

Just a thought........

It's all good Jack, I've been known to let fly occasionally too... sometimes the frstration of seeing people "not getting" stuff becomes unbearable and you

Every now & then for my own well-being/sanity, I need to take the gloves off :boxing: and let off some pent up steam/anger...:faint:

Look - No Bolding http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/balloons-smiley.gif?1292867552


Not to worry Jack, I get it mate... and it's all good!
We all get frustrated and crack the sh!ts from time to time.
Lord knows I've had my fair share of blow-ups here in the past too ;)
We live, and learn.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

What came first? A hen or an egg? Or put another way: Does she hates "damned flag" because she is being hated or she is being hated because of her hatred to the said "damned flag"?


D.C. officer accused of threatening first lady
July 12, 2012 9:05 PM
(AP) WASHINGTON - A District of Columbia police officer who worked as a motorcycle escort for the White House and other officials has been moved to administrative duty after he allegedly made threatening comments about Michelle Obama, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

The officer was overheard making the comments Wednesday as several officers from the Special Operations Division discussed threats against the Obamas, the Post said, citing unidentified police officials who were not authorized to discuss details of the case. The officer allegedly said he would shoot the first lady and then used his phone to retrieve a picture of the firearm he said he would use, according to the report in the newspaper's online edition.

(...)
Full story: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57471593/d.c-officer-accused-of-threatening-first-lady/

Yeah i know. He allegedly said he would shoot her... So as allegedly her lips betrayed her alleged disrespect for "the flag"... Yeah it could be PR stunt to bump up the polls for Barack. Yeah it could be both. Yeah it could be neither...

There is only coulds or woulds or other doubts left over for us... Until we have full file for the event (and are aware of any hidden agenda behind it) and not only rumors or guess work for our flawed eyes to see (i am nearsighted and slightly astigmatic ;) ) there is no way to determine The Truth... If you have no full data there is only Faith you can choose to build your knowledge on. You CAN choose what is your Faith. You can choose what you believe in. So all this discussion (or debate) is spinning around Faith not fact. Anything someone is saying or writing becomes truth or lies depends on someone else believing it to be true or not. You can pretend to yourself that you "know". But is it really so? Maybe it is your Faith? And Faith is your longing for something to be The Truth. It may seem to be circular logic but this is Pure Creation. By choosing what we believe in we actually Create it making it real or making it to be The Truth. Geez... What am i writing?! What is this?! A channeling?! Damn... Please don't burn me at the stake yet! :p

As for lip reading, it is a pseudoscience as polygraph reading is. You could put any sensible sounding rubbish in ones mouth. Below is a video of Obama saying "Go to Hell Bitch". You've probably seen it already ;) But i though it is a good example of how lip reading is a total guess work, that can be heavily influenced by lip reader bias toward the owner of the lips being read... Enjoy (or not :( )

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Jackovesk, i have nothing personal at you. I just want to point that there are always different possibilities explaining stuff happening around us. Yes it can be upsetting and frustrating after you sacrifice your sanity, sleepless nights and risk being harassed by officials (or worse) and some smart-ass carelessly dismisses your effort. But this is an exercise in futility to convince people there is only one version. Everybody see their narrow part. And every body see it differently than others. Together we see The Whole Picture. It is like a puzzle. Everybody owns a tiny piece of it. We have to put it together in place piece by piece to see the bigger picture. Trying to convince others that your piece of puzzle is The Whole Puzzle is a little exaggerating. What with the other pieces? To be honest with you besides my myopic eyes being dizzied and distracted by your stubborn bolding and coloring seemingly random parts of text :p i admire your lengthy posts :) And i liked your post of the Jimmy K the Koala very much :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47240-Orphaned-Little-Jimmy-K-lost-his-Mum-but-is-on-the-Mend-in-Hospital..-&p=519865&viewfull=1#post519865

Peace brother :)

[Davy]

The only one that could have offered any hope was Ron Paul but you see they have railroaded him out, The rest are jokes and just puppets to carry out the plans of the elite. Obama hides behind being for the underdog but when you look at some of the things he has signed into law example the NDAA and that the healthcare issue was suppose to be to help those less fortunate when in reality, it is just another scheme for the govt to try to control our lives and rob more money from the American People. Why is it that in order to even run for president you have to have loads of money or forget it. I say put a poor working man in office and let him run the country!

[truth4me]

Found this video and to me it makes no difference in Christanity or Islam both have good points . It's the radical Christian or Muslim that is the problem IMHO. Personally I believe Obama could very well be a clone.

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Edit --- go to this site fourwinds10.net then scroll down where it says "Why Fox didn't run this Sunday night......

[LarryC]

The video has apparently been taken down.

[shadowstalker]

The video you have requested is not available. If you have recently uploaded this video, you may need to wait a few minutes for the video to process.

[truth4me]

sorry about that it was took down....

[humanalien]

Here is the video:

This is a video that Sean Hannity of FOX News has been trying to show that we are told has

consistently been blocked by the Obama Administration for several weeks.
Watch it now before it gets pulled from the internet!

tCAffMSWSzY

[Wind]

The videos are unavailable.

[Sophocles]

I just found a video on youtube titled "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim":

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Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StUZZhnaLm8

[modwiz]

This is a big yawnfest. This is a conversation begun by yahoos. Anything with Sean Hannity is like having a big DUMB label on it. The kind of types who follow him are why the founders of this country had an electoral college. A firewall against too dumb to vote. Unfortunately, we have a political class that is too criminal to be out of prison. Talk about your rock and hard places.

I used to think Plato's Republic was too elitist. Not so much anymore.

At the local level getting the leadership you deserve could work. I guess. :confused:

[RunningDeer]

This is a big yawnfest. This is a conversation begun by yahoos. Anything with Sean Hannity is like having a big DUMB label on it. The kind of types who follow him are why the founders of this country had an electoral college. A firewall against too dumb to vote. Unfortunately, we have a political class that is too criminal to be out of prison. Talk about your rock and hard places.

I used to think Plato's Republic was too elitist. Not so much anymore.

At the local level getting the leadership you deserve could work. I guess. :confused:
http://www.gif-picture.com/H/helicopter/gif-pict-helicopter-11.gif
Hey, there he is. Hi ModWiz :wave:

Oops, :focus:

[LarryC]

I don't really care about Obama's background, but I thought it would be interesting to see if he really admitted this on tape. This is just a patched together video consisting of various clips where Obama makes references to Muslim issues. I suppose to the average Fox News viewer, anything less than vehement hatred of Muslims is proof enough that he must be one of them -as opposed to believing in a peaceful, righteous and true religion. This video could only convince someone who really wants to believe this.

[RMorgan]

In my opinion, this video just proves the dangers of video editing.

Collect a few hours of video of any public person and, with proper editing, you can make this person say anything you want.

The big journalism corporations use this strategy all the time.

Raf.

[eni-al]

He did not actually say he was muslim, but referring to being an person amongst a multi-cultural/islamic society, or family with muslim members. Kind of missinterpreted, then told as if it is fact.

[rgray222]

Think this is the video you are looking for............this is only 12 seconds but the full version does not change what he said or the context it was put in.
No Hannitity or Fox news here just Obama in his own words.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw

[humanalien]

I don't really care about Obama's background, but I thought it would be interesting to see if he really admitted this on tape. This is just a patched together video consisting of various clips where Obama makes references to Muslim issues. I suppose to the average Fox News viewer, anything less than vehement hatred of Muslims is proof enough that he must be one of them -as opposed to believing in a peaceful, righteous and true religion. This video could only convince someone who really wants to believe this.

When you stop caring, prepare to give up all your right$......

[Flash]

That is astonishing. Only part of the speech is shown taking only splits of talks of Obama. This is as bad as any PTB would do to make us believe anything. Is it the alternative media that is soooooo fanatic? Or is the alternative media working entirely for the Republican party.

If American on Avalon do not see the biaised presentation here in, there is no hope for this world.

This is not to say that I approve or disprove Obama, this is just to say that these snippet of speeches that do not represent the whole speech, are litterally dishonest, period.

[LarryC]

I don't really care about Obama's background, but I thought it would be interesting to see if he really admitted this on tape. This is just a patched together video consisting of various clips where Obama makes references to Muslim issues. I suppose to the average Fox News viewer, anything less than vehement hatred of Muslims is proof enough that he must be one of them -as opposed to believing in a peaceful, righteous and true religion. This video could only convince someone who really wants to believe this.

When you stop caring, prepare to give up all your right$......

I don't see what Obama's religion has to do with my rights. It's rather naive to believe that Obama or any president has that much relevance anyway. You can be sure the people who want to take away our rights don't practice any religion. Beyond this, it's not wise to even believe that any government can give or take away your rights.

[humanalien]

I don't really care about Obama's background, but I thought it would be interesting to see if he really admitted this on tape. This is just a patched together video consisting of various clips where Obama makes references to Muslim issues. I suppose to the average Fox News viewer, anything less than vehement hatred of Muslims is proof enough that he must be one of them -as opposed to believing in a peaceful, righteous and true religion. This video could only convince someone who really wants to believe this.

When you stop caring, prepare to give up all your right$......

I don't see what Obama's religion has to do with my rights. It's rather naive to believe that Obama or any president has that much relevance anyway. You can be sure the people who want to take away our rights don't practice any religion. Beyond this, it's not wise to even believe that any government can give or take away your rights.

Perhaps you need a refresher course of Natzi Germany. This is where america and the world
are heading but many times worse.

Truth4Me:

I think that was a good video compilation and thank-you
for posting it. Don't listen to all the nay sayers here. They
just want to bring you down....

[jackovesk]

Here is the video:

This is a video that Sean Hannity of FOX News has been trying to show that we are told has

consistently been blocked by the Obama Administration for several weeks.
Watch it now before it gets pulled from the internet!

tCAffMSWSzY

Watched the video...

It was a stark reminder as to just how useless Obama is without his 'Tele-Prompter' and how 'Disingenuine & Insincere' he actually is...

What an 'Actor' - What a 'Puppet'...:faint:

[frozen alchemy]

As an atheist, I'm tired of pretentious 'christians' going along with the Bush cabal's demonization of Islam. I'm also tired of pretentious christians who refuse to think clearly about all the horror that their side has perpetrated on both the Islamic world and everyone else who didn't kowtow to their particular version of 'truth'.

Either accept everyone's right to whatever religion they want to follow, or get rid of the damn fantasies and fairy tales in their entirety. It's this kind of idiocy that's going to blow up the world.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama but it's a giant step forward that an American president can talk about other religions with a heartfelt understanding of their concepts.

Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity????? You have GOT to be kidding.

[Phoenix1304]

More on this:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/extraordinaryyear/2012/07/12/whistleblowers-on-time-travel-teleportation-truth-1

Fascinating stuff. In this, Bernard Mendez states that under Eisenhower around 60 personnel were gathered to meet with 3 different species of ET and ET stated who they were, why they were here and what they wanted. Sadly, the interviewer didn't ask for more detail on this to my great disappointment. Are we all supposed to know the bottom line? If anyone knows where I can hear Mendez talking in more detail about that, I'd love to see/hear it.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Eileenrose Andy has fascinated me since he came out with the photo of the humonoid on Mars ...
Theres no doubt he believes his experiances are true ......

This thread was put up a few days ago, I commented on it and post a link to thread I put up
last year which is interresting and Bill commented on. He said at the time he had spoken
to Andy at length and thought the Time travel part of his story could be true, but was not
so confident about Mars.....Its on the link...
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Re: Interview with 2 jump room whistleblowers and Laura Eisenhower on time travel



This is syncrinistic i just finished watching John Carter of Mars on stream and switched back to this...LOL..

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I have posted several threads of Andrew Basiago.I find his story fascinating.

Ed Dames refutes their claims he was a teacher in the programme and Barrack
Obama and others were participants,,,Its incredible enough to be true.
But also easily laughed off in the mainstream....Still more info and whistleblowers
need to come forward !!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37041-Andrew-Basiago...5-th-Dec-2011-interview-on-Late-Night-In-The-Midlands...

[Oouthere]

The part concerning injuries peaks my interest greatly!

Daniel Nichols and I remember numerous scenarios concerning combat in what I believe to be a consciousness simulation environment, even up to the point of being in the exact position while performing the same kills in one particularly unpleasant event.

Dan spoke of being shot during an anti-terrorist scenario/mission involving a spacecraft. He was shot and the scenario ended, him waking-up in his bed with a gun shot wound to his shoulder. He said the blood quickly re-pooled back into the wound with the healing taking less than a couple of minutes.

I thought this was the mind blending the simulation with the real world but perhaps this really did happen….? At any rate the possibility is there and perhaps even as open minded as I am, the blinders are one and I did not know it…..

Thanks for making the above posts!

Rich

[Mike Gorman]

You have to wonder, why would these people collaborate and persist with their story-what gains are to be had from this? Sure there is notoriety, 'Kudos' among
alternative researchers...are they peddling an angle that people consume..how many books are they selling? Naah, it does not add up unless there is something to this,
pretty amazing stuff-i just do not know, but I am certainly intrigued and impressed. Naive?

[Cidersomerset]

Heres something that blew my mind a couple of months ago.........

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James Martinez latest show......He anounces some great info...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43768-James-Martinez-latest-show......He-anounces-some-great-info...&p=467756#post467756

As usual James says a lot so you have to listen to him carefully....

He anounces 11 mins in that he is going to be press secretary for Andrew Basiago's 2016 presidential candicy .......
Also he is going to do a 24hr not stop recording interview with Andy...

This is a surprise to me even though I know James has talked briefly about Andy
before, this is out of the blue.....

James is a very clever man so if he is going for this there is something deffinately
to it , should be a great ride...Ya Hoo !!!



http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2012-04-12--1200---Cash_Flow.mp3

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I have not heard anymore about this before you ask ..LOL..

[Cidersomerset]

As I said I have seen/listened to a lot of Andrews interviews
and he has been very consistent in his story only adding things
gradually as either new evidence, witnesses or memmory permit.
Heres another informal interview he did in a park by the look of it.....

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Published on 27 Apr 2012 by jonnyenochshow


Episode description:
In this episode we talked with time traveling lawyer and whistle blower, Andrew D. Basiago. We also discussed his involvement with Darpa's Project Pegasus, the Montauk chair, Project Looking Glass, and Stargate technology. According to Andrew the US Government has been involved with Tesla based time traveling technology and teleportation. Andrew has also revealed that he spent time with President Barack Hussein Obama, when he was known as Barry Soetoro. Allegedly they were both part of a secret Mars training program involving teleportation. We have also learned that the CIA has weaponized these technologies for intelligence gathering, and has knowledge of who will be President a head of time. Andrew is an advocate for teaching people about these technologies in order to help the environment, so we no longer need to rely on fossil fuels, rather can teleport wherever we need to go. I also revealed some conversations Andrew had with me off camera about Chrono-Vision technology, which is able to capture auspicious events in history by recording holographic images. Using this technology, he claims to have seen black and white footage of the crucifixion of Christ, and the signing of the constitution.

[mountain_jim]

I guess I need to add stuff to this affect to my sig file - the number of threads and posts here apparently believing Obama is the head of the snake...... < rolls eyes>




If you get rid of Obama and replace him with Hillary or Romney, what changes? The US government is still officiated over by controlled puppets, and the elites in the shadows ultimately could care less whether a Repugnican or Dumnacrat is at the end of their strings.

And since they control the election process, real change from someone like Paul can't happen - not under the current system.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Global Showdown Escalates Around Obama

The following statement was released by Congressional Candidate Kesha Rogers TX-22

While condolences pour in from around the world in the wake of the terror bombings in Syria and Russia, President Obama has remained conspicuously silent. By not condemning such violence, the Obama administration is tacitly supporting terrorism being used to overthrow the Syrian government. This should serve as a clear warning to the American people in the four months before our national election, about what our president considers permissible, regarding a change in administration.

The evidence is now piling up that the global financial system currently known as “too big to fail”, has been the main source of the planet’s drug money laundering, has financed a global terrorist network, and has ripped off entire nations, in upwards of hundreds of billions of dollars. As each day turns up new evidence of this, yet another senior official in Obama’s cabinet is implicated in this massive criminal operation against civilized humanity. While British gangsters are playing with fuses -in Syria, Iran, Russia, and elsewhere- trying to ignite thermonuclear world war, their insane puppet Obama is allowing it to happen by refusing to condemn, expose, and prosecute such criminal activity. Who delights in killing? The President of the United States.

Patriots around the world are seizing the moment, to prevent this insane president from receiving the Democratic Party nomination at the national convention in September, by dumping him now. One faction within the British establishment has already moved to dump Obama, by exposing the LIBOR rigging, while another faction is still committed, with Obama, to unleashing world war. We must join the voices of sanity within the highest institutions of the world, which have now demanded a return to the prudent methods of Glass-Steagall banking, so such criminal operations are exposed and bankrupted.

http://larouchepac.com/node/23403

[GlassSteagallfan]

Global Showdown Escalates Around Obama


The following statement was released by Congressional Candidate Kesha Rogers TX-22

While condolences pour in from around the world in the wake of the terror bombings in Syria and Russia, President Obama has remained conspicuously silent. By not condemning such violence, the Obama administration is tacitly supporting terrorism being used to overthrow the Syrian government. This should serve as a clear warning to the American people in the four months before our national election, about what our president considers permissible, regarding a change in administration.

The evidence is now piling up that the global financial system currently known as “too big to fail”, has been the main source of the planet’s drug money laundering, has financed a global terrorist network, and has ripped off entire nations, in upwards of hundreds of billions of dollars. As each day turns up new evidence of this, yet another senior official in Obama’s cabinet is implicated in this massive criminal operation against civilized humanity. While British gangsters are playing with fuses -in Syria, Iran, Russia, and elsewhere- trying to ignite thermonuclear world war, their insane puppet Obama is allowing it to happen by refusing to condemn, expose, and prosecute such criminal activity. Who delights in killing? The President of the United States.

Patriots around the world are seizing the moment, to prevent this insane president from receiving the Democratic Party nomination at the national convention in September, by dumping him now. One faction within the British establishment has already moved to dump Obama, by exposing the LIBOR rigging, while another faction is still committed, with Obama, to unleashing world war. We must join the voices of sanity within the highest institutions of the world, which have now demanded a return to the prudent methods of Glass-Steagall banking, so such criminal operations are exposed and bankrupted.

http://larouchepac.com/node/23403

[ghostrider]

If President Obama is re-elected it will be proof the voters have no say, no one wanted healthcare, did it anyway, no one wanted bailouts , did it anyway, No one wanted NDAA , did it anyway, going against the will of the people at every turn and blaming republicans for any bump in the road. This man shouldn't even be driving, let alone taking us to a cliff, oh I almost forgot our AAA credit rating reduced to AA , no one wanted that , we got it anyway. Basically kneeling before a communist, no one wanted that , did it anyway. Borrowing money from communist, did it anyway. 500 million to an energy company, did it anyway. 700 BILLION bailout , no one wanted, did it anyway. HOW COULD ANYONE WANT MORE OF THAT ??? Give him a list of things you don't want him to do, he will do it anyway....your opinion, idea, dream, vision, to Obama doesn't matter... he does what he wants.

[jackovesk]

http://rense.com/general95/unknown(3)%201.jpg


http://rense.com/general95/unknown(12)%201.jpg

Even the 'Kids' are Angry..! :mad2:

http://rense.com/general95/unknown(5)%201.jpg

[markpierre]

If President Obama is re-elected it will be proof the voters have no say, no one wanted healthcare, did it anyway, no one wanted bailouts , did it anyway, No one wanted NDAA , did it anyway, going against the will of the people at every turn and blaming republicans for any bump in the road. This man shouldn't even be driving, let alone taking us to a cliff, oh I almost forgot our AAA credit rating reduced to AA , no one wanted that , we got it anyway. Basically kneeling before a communist, no one wanted that , did it anyway. Borrowing money from communist, did it anyway. 500 million to an energy company, did it anyway. 700 BILLION bailout , no one wanted, did it anyway. HOW COULD ANYONE WANT MORE OF THAT ??? Give him a list of things you don't want him to do, he will do it anyway....your opinion, idea, dream, vision, to Obama doesn't matter... he does what he wants.

Guess that's what he meant by 'yes we can', and he did. He wasn't meaning 'We'.

But hey...first black president! And he's photogenic, gets down, and can mostly understand his own speeches.
That's refreshing isn't it?
Never mind the banks and wall street and illegal wars and raping the constitution. Everybody does it. Never mind that birth thing. Never mind that other meaningless stuff.

[genevieve]

GlassSteagallfan--

Obama wasn't silent about the Colorado theater shooting, though.
He published a very prompt display of his heartfelt sympathy.
He knows American lives are WAY more important than anyone else's.
And in the case of the bombings, he probably didn't want us to worry.
What a guy!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[sigma6]

So what's the solution - allowing Mr 'Mind Control', Corporate Fat Cat Romney be president? Jesse Ventura was right on the money, the entire USA should stop voting altogether for any 'elected' official. Expose the fraud for once and all... Quit living in a fantasy! the Matrix is REAL ... how many human lives have to be flushed down the toilet to paper over this house of cards?

[David Trd1]

This man shouldn't even be driving, let alone taking us to a cliff, .......... he does what he wants.

The man is most definitely not driving,hes a completely compromised puppet,just like bush was,clinton,regan etc.

[scarletfire]

This man shouldn't even be driving, let alone taking us to a cliff, .......... he does what he wants.

The man is most definitely not driving,hes a completely compromised puppet,just like bush was,clinton,regan etc.

When Obama ran in 2008 I was genuinely optimistic. He said all the right things to those of traumatized by the Bush years and yet here we are, four years later, feeling frustrated and betrayed. What I see is a guy that knows the will of the people, can see the light but turns against it to self preserve. In a climate where money equals power, there is no question that Obama IS a puppet to the mighty dollar. Since there are no limits to campaign finance it looks like Obama, or anybody for that matter, has to take orders from the guys writing the check. What I have to ask myself is whether or not Obama is on a path of self servitude or on a path to serve others; a question that does not even need to be asked about Mitt Romney. If there is a chance that Obama has a conscience, than perhaps he won't need to take so much $ these next four years as he doesn't need to worry about funding another election. Mitt Romney reminds me of a personification of the greedy corporation where Obama is either more dangerous by being able to convince folks that he is a good guy or he is somebody doing the best he can in a totally corrupt environment. Maybe we can shine some light back at the president and remind him of who he works for....the people. Oh and the bailout thing, TARP bailouts were a BUSH thing, am I wrong?

[David Trd1]

This man shouldn't even be driving, let alone taking us to a cliff, .......... he does what he wants.

The man is most definitely not driving,hes a completely compromised puppet,just like bush was,clinton,regan etc.

When Obama ran in 2008 I was genuinely optimistic. He said all the right things to those of traumatized by the Bush years and yet here we are, four years later, feeling frustrated and betrayed. What I see is a guy that knows the will of the people, can see the light but turns against it to self preserve. In a climate where money equals power, there is no question that Obama IS a puppet to the mighty dollar. Since there are no limits to campaign finance it looks like Obama, or anybody for that matter, has to take orders from the guys writing the check. What I have to ask myself is whether or not Obama is on a path of self servitude or on a path to serve others; a question that does not even need to be asked about Mitt Romney. If there is a chance that Obama has a conscience, than perhaps he won't need to take so much $ these next four years as he doesn't need to worry about funding another election. Mitt Romney reminds me of a personification of the greedy corporation where Obama is either more dangerous by being able to convince folks that he is a good guy or he is somebody doing the best he can in a totally corrupt environment. Maybe we can shine some light back at the president and remind him of who he works for....the people. Oh and the bailout thing, TARP bailouts were a BUSH thing, am I wrong?

His allegiance has always been to the moneymen,His entire original cabinet came from wall street,practically unheard of before.
A true puppet in the true sense of the word,The office may still have a little power attached to it,this man does not exercise any of it unless it suits the agenda of the cronies and mechanisms controlling him...Bush snr`s org/pureheart,Rockefeller banking interests(multiple connected famlies)which go hand in glove with the Rothschild world financial web, and many levels above.....in that pecking order.

If not before def worth a read.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/barackobama_biography.pdf

[scarletfire]

His allegiance has always been to the moneymen,His entire original cabinet came from wall street,practically unheard of before.
A true puppet in the true sense of the word,The office may still have a little power attached to it,this man does not exercise any of it unless it suits the agenda of the cronies and mechanisms controlling him...Bush snr`s org/pureheart,Rockefeller banking interests(multiple connected famlies)which go hand in glove with the Rothschild world financial web, and many levels above.....in that pecking order.

If not before def worth a read.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/barackobama_biography.pdf

I am frustrated on several different levels....I live in one of the most conservative communities in the country.... Home town Of rush limbaugh if that paints the picture any better, it feels like the rise of the third reich Germany in the respect that people don't dare speak in favor of democrats or for that matter any progressive thought process. What gets me is that although I vote there is often only one person, one republican on the ballot. Even if we had 2 choices they run on basically the same foundation which makes me feel like our whole political system is rigged to keep the voter in between, which is moving farther to the right and farther to fascism. How do we realistically stop this and move our govt representative and honest? Is it really too late? Right wing politicians are way out on the crazy fringe and Obama, which it seems was born for politics has acted like an heir to bush style although the rt wing congress labels him a socialist. We need ReAL people contending! How do we change the process?

[David Trd1]

I am frustrated on several different levels....I live in one of the most conservative communities in the country.... Home town Of rush limbaugh if that paints the picture any better, it feels like the rise of the third reich Germany in the respect that people don't dare speak in favor of democrats or for that matter any progressive thought process. What gets me is that although I vote there is often only one person, one republican on the ballot. Even if we had 2 choices they run on basically the same foundation which makes me feel like our whole political system is rigged to keep the voter in between, which is moving farther to the right and farther to fascism. How do we realistically stop this and move our govt representative and honest? Is it really too late? Right wing politicians are way out on the crazy fringe and Obama, which it seems was born for politics has acted like an heir to bush style although the rt wing congress labels him a socialist. We need ReAL people contending! How do we change the process?

A republic is not the same as a democracy.

Democracy:MIGHT MAKES RIGHT---GOV CONTROLS PEOPLE

Republic:RIGHT MAKES RIGHT-PEOPLE CONTROLS GOV

Very important to understand the difference

Its never too late,understand that right and left don`t really exist anymore.Understand that the right/left paradigm is a mechanism of control in and of itself and your frustration with it will subside from that perspective.Ask yourself this,do policies change with presidents or always continue on the same track only escalated with the newcomer REGARDLESS of there said ideologies.I wouldn`t say obama was exactly born for politics but he was certainly a well trained orator,in fact he`s quite a bad politician and leader.The only ''real'' candidate i see is ron paul but it looks like he will be overlooked for the rep nomination.

The ultimate solution would be to disengage from the rep/dem horses head and communities organize through principles they collectively agree upon based on constitutional values.Oh and turn the TV off,educate your peers and support movements that adhere to values that support people rather than control them.

In fact there are many grassroots org through the states that are doing just that.Things take time.

Obama and his controllers are finite,when they lose the printing presses of the federal reserve and the EU central banks there will be a window and/or vacuum in American politics i imagine albeit someway down the line.And then this is where these grassroots orgs can make there presence felt.Best example of that is Ron Pauls presidential campaign.I see hope for the american system in that.The fact that such ideology can grow from the ground up even at this stage is very,very heartening.

Peace.

[Alie]

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/02/white-house-insider-we-got-one-last-chance-here-to-make-it-right/

Heavy info from the Washington Insider on The Ulsterman Report ===> here's an excerpt:




UM: Then what? What will it take?

WHI: What it has always taken when the country is at risk – the American people. We need them. We always have. And God’s grace. If He still gives a sh-t about this country. If He still thinks we are worth the trouble. And I ain’t so sure we are – if we deserve to have another chance.

You’re askin’ what it will take to defeat Obama? Defeat the ones around him? Jarrett? Holder? All of them? It’s gonna take the American people to wake the f-ck up NOW. It’s getting to be go time here. August is when the real race is run…all the way to end. But Romney…he can’t do it alone. People out there who say they ain’t so sure about Romney…this ain’t the time to be talking that perfection sh-t. This ain’t the time to be talking 3rd party candidate bullsh-t. This ain’t the time to be sittin’ this one out.

This IS the time to pay attention…tell everyone you know…everyone you care about…vote out Obama. Vote the son-of-a-bitch out. We got one last chance here to make it right. That’s what I’m doin’ this for. I gotta try and make it right – 2008 was…I can’t leave it like this. I can’t have that be it for me. Just can’t do it. So 2012…hell it’s just a few months away now…we gotta do this together. All of us. Every last one of us. I need your readers help. I need them to speak out to everyone they know. Every last person they know. For the love of God get people motivated to do what’s right this election. None of us can afford to sit this one out. None of us.

I’ll promise you this…if Obama is defeated this election… If the American people send him on his way…there is gonna be a whole sh-t pile of information coming out on what was really going on inside that White House of his and Jarrett’s. People will have the guts to speak out – openly. And they won’t be alone. They will be able to do it without the fear that hangs over them now – all of us…how scary sh-t is right now.

[sumkat]

yes,just like there was going to be a whole pile o evidence coming out on the bush white house when he left office,and then who mitt the twit,...you gotta be kidding,...if anything the right thing to do is vote the whole bunch out,and elect by lottery,

[turiya]

This is just a distraction...
Mitt Romney is not an answer for anything.

I am sorry to say... but Americans have not yet suffered enough yet. Perhaps, Mitt Romney will precipitate that. If
The protesting done in Mexico recently is an example of the level of non participation that people need to get involved in here in the States.
Unless the climate reaches a fever-pitch & the numbers start showing themselves on the streets as this photo indicates, it will only be business as usual.

http://www.occupynewmexico.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Huge_Protests.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln6K0w0CFQk&feature=player_embedded

Until that time, then continue to prepare... to be a participant in the creation of a black market in your local community. As this system implodes from within, there will be an alternative that people will create. Be a part of it!
This is the challenge that needs to be focused on. The creation of an alternative society within the presently existing one.
Listen to Greg Mannarino... become your own Central Bank and prepare for a 'new' monetary system.

Check this link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVtfVxACkk&feature=plcp#t=455s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcdv4XkImQ&feature=player_embedded

turiya

[trenairio]

Obama tried reforming Wall Street. He couldn't do it. The lobbyists downsized the effect of the bill. Obamacare was a milestone. Healthcare Reform had to be passed soon. He is still a crony in all other aspects. The system we have, is Crony Capitalism

[turiya]

Obama tried reforming Wall Street. He couldn't do it. The lobbyists downsized the effect of the bill. Obamacare was a milestone. Healthcare Reform had to be passed soon. He is still a crony in all other aspects. The system we have, is Crony Capitalism

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVtfVxACkk&feature=plcp#t=455s

[trenairio]

Obama tried reforming Wall Street. He couldn't do it. The lobbyists downsized the effect of the bill. Obamacare was a milestone. Healthcare Reform had to be passed soon. He is still a crony in all other aspects. The system we have, is Crony Capitalism

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVtfVxACkk&feature=plcp#t=455s

I was surprised when he said that the money supply has recently increased by 300%. I agree that there may be a bond market bubble.

[Alie]

As I usually try to do is report information. I'm sorry that you focused on the Romney part (not saying it's not significant, but just not the point I was trying to make with the post.)

I absolutely am not in favor of Romney, but am letting you know a Democratic Insider's view of how they feel about Obama. Especially about what would come out if he is in fact, voted out.

[jackovesk]

Its pretty simple America... :yes4:

IF YOU ELECT OBAMA AGAIN...This EXACTLY what you'll get...Only WORSE than before...

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/june2012/160612top.jpg

Obama's Mandate for 2012 - 2016


He's coming after your 2nd Amendment.
He's GOING TO hand your Country over to the UN.
He's literally GOING to continue Raping you Financially.
The Corporate NIGHTMARE continues!
The (Corrupt - Bought & Paid for) Govt. & Legal System continues!
The childrens 'Vaccines' continue!
No-One & I do mean No-One will ever be Accountable for their Crimes under his Presidency.
You can also look forward to a UN/US/NATO invasion of Iran and WWIII.
What Birth Certificate?
What Illegal Gun Running (Fast & Furious)?
TSA will be EVERYWHERE! Checkpoints EVERYWHERE!
Good-bye America & Hello (Police State) This time the Real One with all the Bells & Whistles.
You can also look forward to a 'Carbon Tax' (Cap 'n' Trade).
The list of Draconian ABUSE just goes On & On & On..!


He's gonna ('F' you ALL Up) so bad, he will put every single other Puppet President to shame! (incl Bush)!

You LOVE IT don't you America, you just LOVE IT (ALL)...:faint:

You just gotta get this through your (THICK-SKULLS), the likes of Obama & Romney now are PLAYING FOR KEEPS & they will Continue their Puppet Agenda Ruthlessly with Malice until America is (Completely DESTROYED)..!

There will be NO MORE COMPROMISE..:nono:

Sit Down & Shut the 'F-Up' and do as your told SLAVE..!

PS - The funniest thing about what is listed 'above' is, some of you think I'm getting a little carried away or joking..? :no:

Untill you start to Stand-Up in Defence of your Constitution, Bill of Rights & Freedoms nothing will change...

You are dealing with the (Worst of the Worst) Criminals the world has ever produced and they will unscrupulously continue their Agenda until every single last breadth of Dissent is Extinguished forever..!

America is (So Close) to their ultimate Demise its probably a LOST CAUSE already..!

You should lap up what little Freedoms you have left, because every single one of them will be taken from you within the next 4 years not matter whether or not is Obama or Romney you elect..!

It will just happen alot quicker if Obama is re-elected...

PSS - Come to think of it America you are already DOOMED and way past your PTW (used by Date)...:noidea:

Hows that for a little dose of Reality...:wave:

[Alie]

Its pretty simple America...:yes4:

IF YOU ELECT OBAMA AGAIN...This EXACTLY what you'll get...Only WORSE than before...

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/june2012/160612top.jpg

Obama's Mandate for 2012 - 2016


He's coming after your 2nd Amendment.
He's GOING TO hand your Country over to the UN.
He's literally GOING to continue Raping you Financially.
The Corporate NIGHTMARE continues!
The 'Corrupt Bought & Paid for) Govt. & Legal System continues!
The childrens 'Vaccines' continue!
No-One & I do mean No-One will ever be Accountable for their Crimes under his Presidency.
You can also look forward to a UN/US/NATO invasion of Iran and WWIII.
What Birth Certificate?
What Illegal Gun Running (Fast & Furious)?
TSA will be EVERYWHERE! Checkpoints EVERYWHERE!
Good-bye America & Hello (Police State) This time the Real One with all the Bells & Whistles.
You can also look forward to a 'Carbon Tax' (Cap 'n' Trade).
The list of Draconian ABUSE just goes On & On & On..!


He's gonna ('F' you ALL Up) so bad, he will put every single other Puppet President to shame! (incl Bush)!

You LOVE IT don't you America, you just LOVE IT (ALL)...:faint:

You just gotta get this through your (THICK-SKULLS), the likes of Obama & Romney now are PLAYING FOR KEEPS & they will Continue their Puppet Agenda Ruthlessly with Malice until America is (Completely DESTROYED)..!

There will be NO MORE COMPROMISE..:nono:

Sit Down & Shut the 'F-Up' and do as your told SLAVE..!

PS - The funniest thing about what is listed 'above' is, some of you think I'm getting a little carried away or joking..? :no:

Untill you start to Stand-Up in Defence of your Constitution, Bill of Rights & Freedoms nothing will change...

You are dealing with the (Worst of the Worst) Criminals the world has ever produced and they will unscrupulously continue their Agenda until every single last breadth of Dissent is Extinguished forever..!

America is (So Close) to their ultimate Demise its probaly a LOST CAUSE already..!

You should lap up what little Freedoms you have left, because every single one of them will be taken from you within the next 4 years not matter whether or not is Obama or Romney you elect..!

It will just happen alot quicker if Obama is re-elected...

PSS - Come to think of it America you are already DOOMED and way past your PTW (used by Date)...:noidea:

Hows that for a little dose of Reality...:wave:


Jackovesk ... SO TRUE. You definitely have a way to SHAKE AWAKE.

[jackovesk]

Its Way Way Way Way Way Way Way Way Past the time for 'Ignoring &/or Sugarcoating' what is being both done to You & done in your name by your Govt.

Your Puppet Govt. are (PROVEN - KILLERS) and their coming home after practising their (Search & Seizure Drills) all over Middle-East...

There won't be enough time to break out the :popcorn: because you'll all be watching it (LIVE) in your own backyards...!

There comin to (GETCHA) America...:yes4:

....and this time it will be the Victims who will be breaking out the :popcorn: and sitting on their :couch2: saying aint (Pay Back a Bitch) whilst being (Force-Fed) MSM Propaganda making sure the rest of the world believe it was the American peoples fault...:faint:

Now - PAY ATTENTION..! :attention: :attention: :attention:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcdlpugVSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcdlpugVSU




I'm a rolling thunder, poutin rain
I'm comin' down like a hurricane
My lightning's flashing across the sky
You're only young but you're gonna die

I won't take no prisoners, won't spare no lives
Nobody's putting up a fight
I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell
I'm gonna get ya, Satan get ya

CHORUS:
Hell's Bells
Yeah, Hell's Bells
You got me ringin' Hell's Bells
My temperature's high, Hell's Bells

I'll give you black sensations up and down your spine
If you're into evil you're a friend of mine
See my white light flashing as I split the night
'Cause if Good's on the left,
Then I'm stickin' to the right

I won't take no prisoners, won't spare no lives
Nobody's puttin' up a fight
I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell
I'm gonna get ya, Satan get you

Hell's Bells
Yeah, Hell's Bells
You got me ringin' Hells Bells
My temperature's high, Hell's Bells

INSTUMENTAL (SOLO)

CHORUS
Hell's Bells, Satan's comin' to you
Hell's Bells, he's ringing them now
Hell's Bells, the temperature's high
Hell's Bells, across the sky
Hell's Bells, they're takin' you down
Hell's Bells, they're draggin' you around
Hell's Bells, gonna split the night
Hell's Bells, there's no way to fight, yeah
Ow, ow, ow, ow
Hell's Bells

PS - Hells Bells - There Coming For YOU - Their comin to GETCHA...!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Arrowwind]

Do you honestly think that getting Obama out of office will make any difference? That things will be better with Romeny?
You better think again.

What is called for is a military coup that will restore a constitutional government, a legal and just voting system and a banking system based on regulations that keep the money circulating for the people of the nation, not international bankers.

A military coup is our only chance.

If you put people on the street like in Mexico you will see the skys black with helicopters and our concentration camps will be filled.

Support www.oathkeepers.org (http://www.oathkeepers.org)

[Operator]

Do you honestly think that getting Obama out of office will make any difference? That things will be better with Romeny?


No of course not ... but it will at least be a significant signal.
Letting them do what they do uninterrupted for years now is definitely the wrong signal. :juggle:

[jackovesk]

I really don't see what all the constant (How to Fix It) scenarios are all about...:noidea:

America as it stands now is (FINISHED - GONE - KAPUT) ..! Period..!

All of you can Talk & Talk and offer up solutions til your all Black & Blue in the face...:faint:

The American people have (NO CONTROL) over their Govt. whatsover..! :nono:

Here's a little advice from an old Australian Rules Football Coach...




You've gotta give it, everthing you've got
I'm only the coach
Your the ones out there, only YOU can do it
Their time is Done, its Over
This is Your Time
You gotta Fight Your Way Out

DON'T THINK, DON'T HOPE - DO..!!!!!!!

PS - You may even say "Why don't you point the finger at your own Govt. Jackovesk"..?

Well to start with, we are talking about America in this thread and I also know that we will be Ok 'Down Under' and our Govt. has (Dug its Own Grave) already and we still have enough everday Aussies & High Profile types who won't hesitate to stand up for our Country when required...:yes4:

:focus: Jack

[Siren Master]

Is this some kind of joke? I can't believe you are serious.

[jackovesk]

Is this some kind of joke? I can't believe you are serious.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPBUGUM7KQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPBUGUM7KQ

PS - If you are..? Please state Why..? I was only telling the 'Truth' warts & all...:noidea:

[humanalien]

I agree with jack. Americans government is so far out of control that "We The People"
no longer have any say in anything the government does any more. Congressmen are
no longer representing the people that put them in office. They are only after anything
that will make them richer. Congressmen like Ron Paul are basically laughed at and
they have no real power any more.

[GoodETxSG]

Replace him with WHO? Nothing but crooks up in DC... its time to start from scratch if you ask me... get some real people in office for a change.

[RUSirius]

Total B.S. Romney is no Better or worse than Obama, both puppets/clowns of an evil order, c r a p.

[modwiz]

Do you honestly think that getting Obama out of office will make any difference? That things will be better with Romeny?


No of course not ... but it will at least be a significant signal.
Letting them do what they do uninterrupted for years now is definitely the wrong signal. :juggle:

Electing Romney is a signal too. The man advocates for war with Iran. Whether he is lying is not the point. Electing him indicates support for that war which will likely lead to a world war. In the stinkfest called the presidential elections, the electorate may not elect anybody, but their sentiments are registered.

[humanalien]

Replace him with WHO? Nothing but crooks up in DC... its time to start from scratch if you ask me... get some real people in office for a change.

One would have to overthrow the government to do that.

[Operator]

Electing Romney is a signal too. The man advocates for war with Iran. Whether he is lying is not the point. Electing him indicates support for that war which will likely lead to a world war. In the stinkfest called the presidential elections, the electorate may not elect anybody, but their sentiments are registered.

Ok, I didn't talk about electing Romney ... we all know that's probably a continuation of the Status Quo.

The signal of throwing someone out of office means to me: "Showing who the real boss should be".
Next puppet should watch his six because he will be next to be removed when he doesn't obey the will of the people.

[WhiteFeather]

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/02/white-house-insider-we-got-one-last-chance-here-to-make-it-right/

Heavy info from the Washington Insider on The Ulsterman Report ===> here's an excerpt:




UM: Then what? What will it take?

WHI: What it has always taken when the country is at risk – the American people. We need them. We always have. And God’s grace. If He still gives a sh-t about this country. If He still thinks we are worth the trouble. And I ain’t so sure we are – if we deserve to have another chance.

You’re askin’ what it will take to defeat Obama? Defeat the ones around him? Jarrett? Holder? All of them? It’s gonna take the American people to wake the f-ck up NOW. It’s getting to be go time here. August is when the real race is run…all the way to end. But Romney…he can’t do it alone. People out there who say they ain’t so sure about Romney…this ain’t the time to be talking that perfection sh-t. This ain’t the time to be talking 3rd party candidate bullsh-t. This ain’t the time to be sittin’ this one out.

This IS the time to pay attention…tell everyone you know…everyone you care about…vote out Obama. Vote the son-of-a-bitch out. We got one last chance here to make it right. That’s what I’m doin’ this for. I gotta try and make it right – 2008 was…I can’t leave it like this. I can’t have that be it for me. Just can’t do it. So 2012…hell it’s just a few months away now…we gotta do this together. All of us. Every last one of us. I need your readers help. I need them to speak out to everyone they know. Every last person they know. For the love of God get people motivated to do what’s right this election. None of us can afford to sit this one out. None of us.

I’ll promise you this…if Obama is defeated this election… If the American people send him on his way…there is gonna be a whole sh-t pile of information coming out on what was really going on inside that White House of his and Jarrett’s. People will have the guts to speak out – openly. And they won’t be alone. They will be able to do it without the fear that hangs over them now – all of us…how scary sh-t is right now.

Q. What other poison will take over his position if this does in fact occur? And there are many poisons to choose from. Some more potent than others. Yuck!!!!!!

[Alie]

Ladies & Gentleman

Don't get the wrong idea ......... I AM NOT ADVOCATING ROMNEY.

So, that means SOMETHING needs to happen that forces OBAMA & ROMNEY not to be elected.

I believe something is in the works.

It AIN'T OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGS!

[RUSirius]

[QUOTE=Alie;532166]Ladies & Gentleman

Don't get the wrong idea ......... I AM NOT ADVOCATING ROMNEY.

So, that means SOMETHING needs to happen that forces OBAMA & ROMNEY not to be elected.

I believe something is in the works.

It AIN'T OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGS![/QUOt

Totally understood, commenting on what was written by the insider only, did not get the feeling you were endorsing.

[sdv]

I dream of a world where at least some Americans have the humanity to create huge posters and stand holding them high:

We acknowledge, respect and affirm that the people of Iran have the right to determine, without any outside interference, if they should have nuclear power and weapons or not, just as we do. The people of Iran are no less or more than us, and thus we have no right to determine their choices in their own country, just as they have no right to determine our choices in our country. We want peace and co-operation and postive engagement with Iran.

We do not support the violence and destruction in Syria. We support peaceful and constructive dialogue in Syria. We will not sell any kinds of destructive weapons to anyone in Syria, and will not take sides in the conflict. We recognise the universal rights of all people in Syria, and, where we can, will provide food, water, shelter and medical supplies to all in Syria, for all human beings are worthy of basic human rights.

Neither Obama nor Romney support and affirm and even acknowledge basic human rights nor sovereignty, at home or abroad, but I do not see Americans doing so either, so yes you will wage war against Iran, yes you will destroy Syria by choosing sides (and who the hell are these rebels anyway?) and yes you will have more of the same at home.

Even Ron Paul never acknowledges the sovereign rights of anyone outside of USA!

[Alie]

I dream of a world where at least some Americans have the humanity to create huge posters and stand holding them high:

We acknowledge, respect and affirm that the people of Iran have the right to determine, without any outside interference, if they should have nuclear power and weapons or not, just as we do. The people of Iran are no less or more than us, and thus we have no right to determine their choices in their own country, just as they have no right to determine our choices in our country. We want peace and co-operation and postive engagement with Iran.


We do not support the violence and destruction in Syria. We support peaceful and constructive dialogue in Syria. We will not sell any kinds of destructive weapons to anyone in Syria, and will not take sides in the conflict. We recognise the universal rights of all people in Syria, and, where we can, will provide food, water, shelter and medical supplies to all in Syria, for all human beings are worthy of basic human rights.

Neither Obama nor Romney support and affirm and even acknowledge basic human rights nor sovereignty, at home or abroad, but I do not see Americans doing so either, so yes you will wage war against Iran, yes you will destroy Syria by choosing sides (and who the hell are these rebels anyway?) and yes you will have more of the same at home.

Even Ron Paul never acknowledges the sovereign rights of anyone outside of USA!

I would agree - sdv- that would be the "linear" conclusion in our present day mentality. However, I believe a "non-linear" conclusion will happen in the near future.

[GlassSteagallfan]

I really don't see what all the constant (How to Fix It) scenarios are all about...:noidea:

America as it stands now is (FINISHED - GONE - KAPUT) ..! Period..!

All of you can Talk & Talk and offer up solutions til your all Black & Blue in the face...:faint:

The American people have (NO CONTROL) over their Govt. whatsover..! :nono:

Here's a little advice from an old Australian Rules Football Coach...




You've gotta give it, everthing you've got
I'm only the coach
Your the ones out there, only YOU can do it
Their time is Done, its Over
This is Your Time
You gotta Fight Your Way Out

DON'T THINK, DON'T HOPE - DO..!!!!!!!

PS



I'm putting my money on a financial takeover via Glass Steagall. The British oligarchy has recently called for it, mostly to save themselves. We are still educating the congress at this point. And keep in mind, Obaaama takes orders from London.

[sdv]

Perhaps all we can do is to be clear about our personal values and live our lives accordingly.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Do you honestly think that getting Obama out of office will make any difference? That things will be better with Romeny?


No of course not ... but it will at least be a significant signal.
Letting them do what they do uninterrupted for years now is definitely the wrong signal. :juggle:

Electing Romney is a signal too. The man advocates for war with Iran. Whether he is lying is not the point. Electing him indicates support for that war which will likely lead to a world war. In the stinkfest called the presidential elections, the electorate may not elect anybody, but their sentiments are registered.

on 20/20 tonight they did a Mormon family with 3 wives showing how normal they live... and why it shouldn't be illegal...

we have drunk Redneck KKK tea partiers calling themselves Washington Insiders trying to get rid of the smartest president this country has ever had because all they see is... :mamba:

going to get interesting...

[jackovesk]

I really don't see what all the constant (How to Fix It) scenarios are all about...:noidea:

America as it stands now is (FINISHED - GONE - KAPUT) ..! Period..!

All of you can Talk & Talk and offer up solutions til your all Black & Blue in the face...:faint:

The American people have (NO CONTROL) over their Govt. whatsover..! :nono:

Here's a little advice from an old Australian Rules Football Coach...




You've gotta give it, everthing you've got
I'm only the coach
Your the ones out there, only YOU can do it
Their time is Done, its Over
This is Your Time
You gotta Fight Your Way Out

DON'T THINK, DON'T HOPE - DO..!!!!!!!

PS

I'm putting my money on a financial takeover via Glass Steagall. The British oligarchy has recently called for it, mostly to save themselves. We are still educating the congress at this point. And keep in mind, Obaaama takes orders from London.

Fair Call GlassSteagallfan,

But - Just (WHO-IS) going to stop the Illuminati/PTW/OWO/Globalists..???

Unfortunately if I were to be honest, I'm putting my $Money on America being 'Sacrificed' just as stated in Biblical Prophecy...:yes4:

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm all for getting Obama out, but I'm not FOR Romney either. I'm not settling for the lesser of 2 evils. If I have to vote, it'll be for a libertarian even though the system is corrupt and broken....

[NASA]

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Cheering160X1202.jpg (http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=40443)13 Aug 2012 - President Obama to Call NASA"s Mars Rover Team Today
President Barack Obama will congratulate members of NASA's Curiosity Mars rover team at the agency's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., at 8 a.m. PDT (11 a.m. EDT) this morning.


More... (http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/display.cfm?News_ID=40443)

[WhiteFeather]

Maybe Obama should give this a gander.

Defending Sacred Ground by Alex Collier:
Mars: Cultural Propaganda v. Reality

According to the Andromedans, Mars is three times the size that the public is told it is. We are told in literature that Mars is 4,200 miles in diameter, when in fact it is 11,421 miles in diameter. This past March of 1995, in a San Diego newspaper, it published a report that showed a picture of Mars in springtime. It said that in 1971, the Viking orbiter discovered huge amounts of ozone in the Martian atmosphere.

Now, how many books do you know of that have told you that there is ozone in the Martian atmosphere? None. It was a controlled leak. We are told that the atmosphere is predominantly carbon dioxide. How can this be, when it is supposedly devoid of plant life? When you see the polar cap melt in the spring, as shown in books, how is it that they can also say that the highest temperature on Mars is 141 degrees below zero? The polar cap on Mars is made of water. Will someone please tell me how water melts at 141 degrees below zero?

According to the Andromedans, the average temperature at the equator on Mars is 59 degrees. In 1979, NASA admitted seeing clouds float over Olympus Mons, allegedly the largest volcano in the solar system. But, Olympus Mons is over 72,000 feet high. That's one hell of an atmosphere if you have clouds at 72,000 feet.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_1b.htm

[sdv]

Whitefeather, I think if Mars was three times the size we are told it is, we would be able to see this when we look up at the sky.

The Viking probes were launched in 1975.

The polar caps on Mars are thought to be dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide), not water. Carbon dioxide freezes at a much lower temperature than does water. There is very little shade on Mars and a thin atmosphere so when a pole is facing the Sun, the energy from the Sun is much more intense than it would be on Earth, even though we are closer to the Sun.

Where is the explanation for why clouds cannot form that high up in the atmoshere? They do on Earth, and besides Mars is not Earth so we cannot assume that what is true for Earth is true for Mars.

It is all these strange anomlaies on Mars that make it such an exciting place because it raises hopes that the building blocks are there for us to actually live on Mars. Clouds surely mean that there is some water in the atmospere? And so on.

Anyway, the glaring factual errors are difficult to overlook in this article, and do not make sense (unless we assume that there is a vast and intricate conspiracy of lies - for what purpose?).

[risveglio]

Could there be any truth to this? I do not see how Obama does not win the election and I don't think Biden is smart enough to be as dangerous as Romney or Obama so this could be a really good thing.

"Fred Brownbill of The Save America Foundation claims that 80 countries have signed a criminal complaint against Barack Hussein Obama and filed it in the World Court. Brownbill states that the complaint is one of four matters which will cause Obama to resign"

http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/report-obama-is-preparing-to-leave-the-presidency?xg_source=activity

[GCS1103]

If you've read just one book about Obama (let alone the dozen that are out there) you will find that there is unanimous agreement about one thing - whether you like him or not.

He is a true narcissist. He would never step down from his office, nor quit the race for a second term. He's in this campaign to the end. As far as him winning the Presidency again, I guess we'll know for sure in a few months.

[ghostrider]

I don't think there will be an election, Obama and the ptb will pull some crap and panic the U.S. and the clean up of the chaos will trump the election...funny doesn't matter who is president our situation never changes , do more with less and pay more for it, and oh yeah the ones making you pay more you also pay them for making rules over you that they don't abide by. Now thats freedom. politicians should take a 50 percent pay cut across the board, bloom berger king in NYC should not get a paycheck he a billionaire, if he is honest about helping NYC work for free, he has plenty of money to pay his electric bill .... billionaires in politics should work for free, millionaires should only get 50 percent pay they don't need the money it would save the city alot of money. Nancy Pelosi worth 50 million dollars, she should not get a paycheck , she can still buy her own food. look at the wages of politicians and their personal net worth. it will piss you off. they run cities and states and our country in debt sucking out money and they are millionaires who could help right now just use some of your own money.

[WhiteFeather]

There are two Circus Acts/Poisons to choose from here. The Flip Flopper Corporate Ass Clown Romney.
Or The Marionette Circus Puppet B.O. . If I do Vote this year Its gonna be the Puppet. My hands are tied. I just Cant stomach Romney the AssClown.

[Mulder]

Could there be any truth to this? I do not see how Obama does not win the election and I don't think Biden is smart enough to be as dangerous as Romney or Obama so this could be a really good thing.

"Fred Brownbill of The Save America Foundation claims that 80 countries have signed a criminal complaint against Barack Hussein Obama and filed it in the World Court. Brownbill states that the complaint is one of four matters which will cause Obama to resign"

http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/report-obama-is-preparing-to-leave-the-presidency?xg_source=activity

No, this is all lies and dis-info.

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I don't think there will be an election, Obama and the ptb will pull some crap and panic the U.S. and the clean up of the chaos will trump the election...funny doesn't matter who is president our situation never changes , do more with less and pay more for it, and oh yeah the ones making you pay more you also pay them for making rules over you that they don't abide by. Now thats freedom. politicians should take a 50 percent pay cut across the board, bloom berger king in NYC should not get a paycheck he a billionaire, if he is honest about helping NYC work for free, he has plenty of money to pay his electric bill .... billionaires in politics should work for free, millionaires should only get 50 percent pay they don't need the money it would save the city alot of money. Nancy Pelosi worth 50 million dollars, she should not get a paycheck , she can still buy her own food. look at the wages of politicians and their personal net worth. it will piss you off. they run cities and states and our country in debt sucking out money and they are millionaires who could help right now just use some of your own money.

People said this in 2008 & there was an election. Why cancel the election now - both sides are brought & paid for.

[Conchis]

The US is not a participant in the world court.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUnited_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court&ei=8lMxUNi1DMTHswa8koD4Cw&usg=AFQjCNFOs79KxpK_ZKjkROVdMpOXONN_Ag
Bush Opted out of the World Court and it's never been resubmitted. I can't imagine that a court that we aren't subject to would entertain a filing with it.

[David Trd1]

I think the whole thing is a distraction,period.
A piece of theatre,we give our energy and thoughts to these stooges all the while we are causing the greatest planet-wide extinction of species possibly ever seen on this earth.We are destroying the rainforests,displacing indigenous people the world over.half the world is in a slumber occupied by sex,sport and celebrities while the other half is occupied with find a meal for the day,and for those not caught in these quagmires of existence theres the fake political arena to give your time and energy to.

i`M SICK OF IT,JUST SICK.we need to stop even talking about such filth and concentrate on issues that really matter like the planet,its species,the downtrodden and our own state of being.

Clowns such as obama don`t matter.I for one believe that when we concentrate on the issues above and with commitment and as much focus as we(i speak collectively)do with the trivia these parasites will fade away and their system with it through our collective strength and will.

Excuse the veering right of topic but it matters!

Peace and action:)

[Operator]

There are two Circus Acts/Poisons to choose from here. The Flip Flopper Corporate Ass Clown Romney.
Or The Marionette Circus Puppet B.O. . If I do Vote this year Its gonna be the Puppet. My hands are tied. I just Cant stomach Romney the AssClown.

I know it's not feasible advice but people should stop voting at all. Send them a message that whomever is placed in
the seat will not represent the people anyway. The only way is stop playing along with their game.
If far less than 50% of the people would vote it would be a beginning ... but like I said: probably not feasible :(

[truth4me]

If you've read just one book about Obama (let alone the dozen that are out there) you will find that there is unanimous agreement about one thing - whether you like him or not.

He is a true narcissist. He would never step down from his office, nor quit the race for a second term. He's in this campaign to the end. As far as him winning the Presidency again, I guess we'll know for sure in a few months.I agree with everything you said yet,the wildcard could be IF what George Green has stated in his interviews that TPTB place in office the one they want in then no telling what can happen.

[bluestflame]

it's not a one horse race, it's a one stable race

[Prodigal Son]

The next president is always selected at the Bilderberger meeting. Romney's already been chosen to lead the US in an attack against Iran and most likely WW3.

Don't bother voting, it's a waste of time and an insult to our intelligence. Maybe send a message by writing in Ron Paul... or anybody that comes to mind. It doesn't matter. Romney has a fitting name.... he has the IQ of a baseball mitt.:eyebrows:

Just another privileged elite talking head puppet buffoon for the shadow gov't..... and a Mormon to boot. You gotta be an off your rocker brainwashed lemming to be a Mormon....

Our time is better spent doing whatever we can to spread our knowledge and maybe somehow oust the rogue faction that's running the US government.

[Chester]

Could there be any truth to this? I do not see how Obama does not win the election and I don't think Biden is smart enough to be as dangerous as Romney or Obama so this could be a really good thing.

"Fred Brownbill of The Save America Foundation claims that 80 countries have signed a criminal complaint against Barack Hussein Obama and filed it in the World Court. Brownbill states that the complaint is one of four matters which will cause Obama to resign"

http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/report-obama-is-preparing-to-leave-the-presidency?xg_source=activity

Right now, the international bookmakers make Obama just shy of a 2 - 1 favorite to win. These bookies I know personally and are extremely good oddsmakers. If you want to make a wager with me against Obama PM me - i will take up to $500 and give you $850 if you win.

[Noble Hops]

Ex-Republican Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico will be on the ballot in all fifty states as the Libertarian prez candidate. He's the closest thing you're going to get to Ron Paul this time around, and I have a strong hunch RP will end up endorsing him. He actually leans even more libertarian than Ron.

[T Smith]

I don't think there will be an election, Obama and the ptb will pull some crap and panic the U.S. and the clean up of the chaos will trump the election...funny doesn't matter who is president our situation never changes , do more with less and pay more for it, and oh yeah the ones making you pay more you also pay them for making rules over you that they don't abide by. Now thats freedom. politicians should take a 50 percent pay cut across the board, bloom berger king in NYC should not get a paycheck he a billionaire, if he is honest about helping NYC work for free, he has plenty of money to pay his electric bill .... billionaires in politics should work for free, millionaires should only get 50 percent pay they don't need the money it would save the city alot of money. Nancy Pelosi worth 50 million dollars, she should not get a paycheck , she can still buy her own food. look at the wages of politicians and their personal net worth. it will piss you off. they run cities and states and our country in debt sucking out money and they are millionaires who could help right now just use some of your own money.

There will be an election. Perhaps the greatest tool the ptb have is instilling the masses with an illusion of choice. Why would they take that away from us? I don't see what purpose it would serve. Exploiting some crisis to "suspend elections" to ensure Obama remains in power would only serve to awaken the masses who falsely believe they are free. Who needs a crisis to achieve this? We need not suspend elections to ensure Obama wins another term. That's the role of Diebold.

[risveglio]

Could there be any truth to this? I do not see how Obama does not win the election and I don't think Biden is smart enough to be as dangerous as Romney or Obama so this could be a really good thing.

"Fred Brownbill of The Save America Foundation claims that 80 countries have signed a criminal complaint against Barack Hussein Obama and filed it in the World Court. Brownbill states that the complaint is one of four matters which will cause Obama to resign"

http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/report-obama-is-preparing-to-leave-the-presidency?xg_source=activity

Right now, the international bookmakers make Obama just shy of a 2 - 1 favorite to win. These bookies I know personally and are extremely good oddsmakers. If you want to make a wager with me against Obama PM me - i will take up to $500 and give you $850 if you win.

I think you are looking for a bet from the wrong guy. Try Prodigal Son, he says Romney is a shoe in.

[Unified Serenity]

Romney is going to win. Why? Because they already passed their sweeping social reform and that is why they put a Democrat in office. Whenever they want war, they put in a Republican. We are headed for a major war with the Middle East, and Obama is not the man for that job. No, they are going to put in their favorite war puppets, a Republican. Just mho.

[kreagle]

The next president is always selected at the Bilderberger meeting. Romney's already been chosen to lead the US in an attack against Iran and most likely WW3.

Don't bother voting, it's a waste of time and an insult to our intelligence. Maybe send a message by writing in Ron Paul... or anybody that comes to mind. It doesn't matter. Romney has a fitting name.... he has the IQ of a baseball mitt.:eyebrows:

Just another privileged elite talking head puppet buffoon for the shadow gov't..... and a Mormon to boot. You gotta be an off your rocker brainwashed lemming to be a Mormon....

Our time is better spent doing whatever we can to spread our knowledge and maybe somehow oust the rogue faction that's running the US government.

Prodigal Son,

I will certainly agree with the "general consensus, here", in that, there certainly isn't "much of a choice" for us Americans come November. Privately I've made the statement that even if Romney is elected,....it's not like this is going to "solve all of our problems" by any stretch of the imagination. I am of the firm belief that within a year of a "Romney administration" that we will painfully become aware that we all have "a new set of problems" to deal with.

With that said,.....I'm even more convinced that Obama has "got to go" before he, and Michelle, completely ruin what's left of our country. Irreparable damage has already been done,.....a lot of it by his administration,.....and......a lot "inherited by his predecessors". Clearly the "proverbial choice" of the "lessor of two evils" appears to be what we will have on the ballots in November. I can't, in good conscious, stay home and just not vote, in that I feel that would be totally irresponsible for me to do so. I believe that God expects more from me than that!

Romney gets my vote,....but only by a "small margin". I still wouldn't be surprised, at all, and I have also privately stated, that Obama will probably wind up being re-elected,...( term loosely used, here),.....in November. I also have this "sick feeling in my stomach" that Obama, and his cronies, will have us involved in a devastating war,....if not WW3,....right "before election time",.....with the sinister agenda to retain his "presidency", (another very loose "term").

Nevertheless,......we need prayer, people,......and LOTS and LOTS of it!

Even so,........come quickly......Lord Jesus!


(private note to Prodigal Son,......"when are you coming home, son?")

Ha!, Ha!,.....couldn't resist it,.....BTW, I absolutely love your user-name!!


Your friend, brother, and servant..........kreagle

[ThePythonicCow]

I think you are looking for a bet from the wrong guy. Try Prodigal Son, he says Romney is a shoe in.
If Morgan Stanley is taken down between now and the November US election, that could cause a financial panic similar to what happened in 2008 with Lehman. The one in 2008 helped put Obama (the outsider then) into the White House. This time, it would help put Romney (the outsider now) there. From what I read on subscription sites, Wall Street (such as JP Morgan and Goldman) are backing Romney over Obama over five to one in campaign contributions.

These thoughts lead me to have increased confidence in the possibility of Morgan being taken down, soon, as I reported in Morgan Stanley may fail soon (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48795-Morgan-Stanley-may-fail-soon).

In other words, the bankers are backing the outsider, Romney, and would not hesitate to help make that happen, by being sure Americans are worried about the economy when they go to the polls in November.

[truth4me]

Romney is going to win. Why? Because they already passed their sweeping social reform and that is why they put a Democrat in office. Whenever they want war, they put in a Republican. We are headed for a major war with the Middle East, and Obama is not the man for that job. No, they are going to put in their favorite war puppets, a Republican. Just mho.Your reply does make a heck of a lot of sense. Sometimes the trees do get in the way of the forest as they say.....

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Um and all you smart people still paying attention to the 3 ring circus? Man o man when will ya get up and have a coffee

[13th Warrior]

I think that they have a lot invested in Obama; it would appear he's been groomed for the position since an early age...

I don't think they are going to be quick to get rid of him...

Also, Obama's re-election would certainly infuriate the right wing republicans who, could potential cause a great disruption/destabilization that would work into their police state plans (remember the 40cal. ammo orders).

[Rocky_Shorz]

Republicans are really grasping at straws if they've already decided the only way they can beat Obama, is have him quit... :rofl:

[TargeT]

If far less than 50% of the people would vote it would be a beginning ... but like I said: probably not feasible :(

I dunno, what was the turn out at the 2008 election? 57.37%... not too far from 50%.

I think it would take a 30% or LESS turn out to make a splash... half the voting population is still participating as of 2008's presidential election.


Republicans are really grasping at straws if they've already decided the only way they can beat Obama, is have him quit... :rofl:

From what I've seen from that community they do not think they will lose the election at all, after what has happened during B.H.O.'s first term I'm finding myself agreeing.

I don't see how Obama could possibly win, though my views were formed for years with a "conservative" tact & I still listen to talk radio in the car (music is grating to me lately, perhaps its the 440hz tuning) mostly to laugh at the stupidity I hear when the national shows are on; the local stuff is preferable, though even that is polluted by national politics/ideals... a second term president is a scary thing to me.. (no matter the party they originate from)

uI0DYcHtTlI
"nothing to lose" comes to mind, plus Obama's open mike incident with the russians... I'll pass on a second term president right now, anything else is a better option.

[jackovesk]

Aug 21, 2012

At age 18, Barack Obama admittedly arrived at Occidental College a committed revolutionary Marxist.

What was the source of Obama’s foundation in Marxism?

Throughout his 2008 Presidential campaign and term in office, questions have been raised regarding Barack Obama’s family background, economic philosophy, and fundamental political ideology.

Dreams from My Real Father is the alternative Barack Obama “autobiography,” offering a divergent theory of what may have shaped our 44th President’s life and politics.

Was Obama's Real Daddy Running a Sex Club in Hawaii?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPXL_7H1AbE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPXL_7H1AbE&feature=player_embedded

[Fellow Aspirant]

I have to object to the title of this piece. In what way is any of this information "true"? It's merely opinion, conjecture and heresay. Which, unfortunately, describes most of the postings on P.A. Rarely is any of this other stuff this labelled as being "true", however.

I call B.S.

Discern, folks, as always.

Brian

[kathymarie]

Well....I, for one....believe it's TRUE....check out the documentary 2016; based on research----things we'll never hear from the liberal, mainstream media. I personally am so sick of what passes for journalism these days.....

[jackovesk]

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[Shamz]

You really think he is the only ONE responsible for all of this ??? Really ???

War will not stop and/or change - with change in US President -- its the entire Govt. and policies that have to change. Talk with your senator and tell them to stop voting for this stupid WAR which just kills innocent people and nothing more.

Don't just post and Re-Post Videos/Pics.... do some real good.


Much Love

[Rocky_Shorz]

Jackovesk is really a Democrat, he pumps out these stories regularly to keep the birthers spinning...

and it's working...



http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/image/2012/08/25/trump_hair_3_t268.jpg?7f6c82c4e3ebc52dbf2e980dcc8631719b6d5f11

[jackovesk]

Jackovesk is really a Democrat, he pumps out these stories regularly to keep the birthers spinning...

and it's working...

http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/image/2012/08/25/trump_hair_3_t268.jpg?7f6c82c4e3ebc52dbf2e980dcc8631719b6d5f11

Yeh Rocky - Just like one of your 'Own Judges'...:no:

26 August 2012

Video: US judge warns of Texas invasion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-P3x8horw4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-P3x8horw4&feature=player_embedded

The United Nations has scoffed at claims by a Texas judge that UN troops could invade the southern US state to settle a possible civil war, which the judge warned could be sparked if Barack Obama is re-elected in November.

When asked if the United Nations had plans to invade Texas, UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, Martin Nesirky, said that was "absolutely ridiculous".

He later added: "No one, not even the United Nations, would ever mess with Texas."

He was responding to comments from Tom Head, a county judge in Lubbock, who told a local Fox News station on Monday that taxes needed to be raised so the county could prepare for contingencies if Mr Obama was re-elected for a second term.

"He (Obama) is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the UN. What's going to happen when that happens? I'm thinking worst case scenario - civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe," Mr Head said.

"What's going happen ... if the public decides to do that? He's going to send in UN troops, I don't want them in Lubbock County. I'm going to stand in front of their armoured personnel carriers and say 'You're not coming in here'."

Mr Head told Fox News he has the backing of his local sheriff.

"I've already asked him 'Are you going to back me?' and he said 'Yeah I'll back you'."

Reuters

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-25/un-scoffs-at-27ridiculous27-texas-invasion/4222310

[jackovesk]

You really think he is the only ONE responsible for all of this ??? Really ???

War will not stop and/or change - with change in US President -- its the entire Govt. and policies that have to change. Talk with your senator and tell them to stop voting for this stupid WAR which just kills innocent people and nothing more.

Don't just post and Re-Post Videos/Pics.... do some real good.

Much Love


You really think he is the only ONE responsible for all of this ???

Did you bother at all to read the OP..????


Don't just post and Re-Post Videos/Pics.... do some real good.

I'll forget you mentioned that...:faint:

So trying to 'Wake Up' as many people as I can to the 'Truth' is not worth the bother...:confused:

Sometimes, some of you people never cease to 'Amaze' me...:faint:

[jackovesk]

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[Rocky_Shorz]

isn't that judge the brother of the nut case pastor that burned the Korans in Florida?

[jackovesk]

isn't that judge the brother of the nut case pastor that burned the Korans in Florida?

Even if accurate...:noidea:

What's that got to do with the 'Truth' Rocky..???

[Rocky_Shorz]

I dunno, just wanted to slow you down before you ran out the door... ;)


we're in this together, so don't be sneaking off...


if the truth is out there, we'll find it...

[christian]

Just like Kennedy stood up to prevent particular atrocities, Obama could have come out against many things, instead he just goes along. Who knows how much of him is even able to feel empathy or to exert free will? When what George Green said about the late George W. in his interview with Bill and Kerry is correct, then Obama could just be another clone. Isn't such a big leap from a puppet to a clone or vice versa.

[humanalien]

Just like Kennedy stood up to prevent particular atrocities, Obama could have come out against many things, instead he just goes along. Who knows how much of him is even able to feel empathy or to exert free will? When what George Green said about the late George W. in his interview with Bill and Kerry is correct, then Obama could just be another clone. Isn't such a big leap from a puppet to a clone or vice versa.


The more i think of this, the more i'm convinced that this is happening
with all of our presidents, except for bush jr. He is to stupid to be one.

I just can't conceive the idea that people can be so evil and uncaring
that they would let innocent people die, unless they were clones and
programmed to do what they do. Clones would be soulless creations
that have no conscious, there fore, they can pretty much do any act
of evil that they are told to do.

This wouldn't only be limited to the president but possibly most or all
of the executive branch with many of them being in the alphabet agencies
to. We are already being told that aliens roam free in the whitehouse so
either that is true or we really do have clone running america...

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks Barry for your Role in helping 'Wake Up' the 'Free World' to just 'How' the 'Secret Govt' really operates... :thumb:
Jackovesk -- could you please remove the excessive use of bold, color and large fonts from your posts above, and please change the first two images in Post #1 of dead babies from being images to being "Click here to see potentially offensive graphical image" links?

You do not get to crank up the volume of your megaphone until we "get it". It is up to each of us, individually, to determine what we get and when. A license to any member to make louder and louder posts, until others achieve some sought for level of awareness, would be a license to unlimited outrage in the manner of posting here.

Cool it some ... thanks.

[Shamz]

You really think he is the only ONE responsible for all of this ??? Really ???

War will not stop and/or change - with change in US President -- its the entire Govt. and policies that have to change. Talk with your senator and tell them to stop voting for this stupid WAR which just kills innocent people and nothing more.

Don't just post and Re-Post Videos/Pics.... do some real good.

Much Love


You really think he is the only ONE responsible for all of this ???

Did you bother at all to read the OP..????


Don't just post and Re-Post Videos/Pics.... do some real good.

I'll forget you mentioned that...:faint:

So trying to 'Wake Up' as many people as I can to the 'Truth' is not worth the bother...:confused:

Sometimes, some of you people never cease to 'Amaze' me...:faint:

Don't worry about me Brother - I will be where I am destined to be.

FYI I did read the OP and I wrote my reply based on what I understood.

In general I don't like political BS.

Feel free to ignore or delete my post from your thread.

much love

[wynderer]

just my personal take: i enjoy Jackovesk's use of bold, color, & large fonts -- i've thought that he is quite creative

also, i personally do not object to such 'graphic images' -- the people in them are part of the 'We Are One' stuff that folks usually post about w/pics of cute animals & kids etc & pretty scenery

it reminds me of that USA tv movie in the '80s, 'The Day After,' about a nuclear holocaust in the USA -- there was a lot of massmedia debate beforehand re whether or not young people should be allowed to watch it

i thought to myself : How hypocritical -- the children in Hiroshima & Nagasaki did not receive such considerate pampering care...

[Pam]

" Obama could just be another clone."

The clone concept is a great possibility....

When I look at human behavior it is easier for me to break it down into two categories..'service to self' and' service to others'..Is it possible that most of these politicians are totally absorbed in service to self??? It seems impossible that so many seem to care less.......The clone concept is more palatable to me....then again, if you are in the mass hypnotic fugue (I certainly was for many years) anything is possible.

[Maia Gabrial]

just my personal take: i enjoy Jackovesk's use of bold, color, & large fonts -- i've thought that he is quite creative

also, i personally do not object to such 'graphic images' -- the people in them are part of the 'We Are One' stuff that folks usually post about w/pics of cute animals & kids etc & pretty scenery

I agree. It's uniquesly Jackovesk. And it makes it all the more livelier. I like it!

I'd also like to add that if Barry were a Kenyan then his loyalties are not with Americans. Then his duplicities make alot of sense. He's not one of us. If he's a clone, he's STILL not one of us....

[ghostrider]

I dunno, just wanted to slow you down before you ran out the door... ;)


we're in this together, so don't be sneaking off...


if the truth is out there, we'll find it...

right on Rock, we're in this together. no matte what crazy puppet they throw in office in any country run by any bank owned by any family/bloodline. we are in this together. we will find what were looking for, truth that sets the world free.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

If you are American and you didn't vote for Ron Paul……… you are complicit or ignorant. ImO

[Marsila]

Well about the pictures, i sure wish the mothers of these children had the option of 'press the link if you'd rather not see this....so it is okay if we suffer a bit of a 'headache' because it is preaching to the choir.

Some people are way too cooled down about these things, so naturally there has to be some people who aren't. (i know i am on the not cooled down side of these things many times)

Nothing wrong with putting one's own conclusions about these things. Just because jackovesk came and posted this here, how can one conclude that he didn't also write to his local MP or Congressman or whatever?
there is no one right way of doing things, or only one way....i know i learn a lot from simply exchanging words with others, so i don't feel it is a waste of time at all to post these things or read them.

And again this is the same forum that has the Horus Ra threads, so i can see what is talked about in that thread coming into action in many other threads....no further comments on this.

[jjjones]

jackovesk and pa friends, there is no such thing as pure unadulterated "fiction" it all stems from a seed of truth. don't put anything past the banksters/elite pathetic group at the top of the pyramid. thanks jackovesk always enjoy your threads that stirs everyone's thinking, always amusing, informative & 99.99 % the deep reality of the truth. Enjoyed and learned much from everyone's replies. namaste, peace and love universally :) p.s. think all of the "elite" should wear their hair like "the donald,s" in order that they can really " distinguish" themselves from the rest of the world population. what a do!!! LOL :)

[dreamer]

Bro, that's two posts you put up with pics of dead kids, we all got your point the first time, you either need to clearly state you are putting up pics of dead kids, or find a forum that dosnt care to be surprised by such material. I get it already.

[Sidney]

just my personal take: i enjoy Jackovesk's use of bold, color, & large fonts -- i've thought that he is quite creative

also, i personally do not object to such 'graphic images' -- the people in them are part of the 'We Are One' stuff that folks usually post about w/pics of cute animals & kids etc & pretty scenery

it reminds me of that USA tv movie in the '80s, 'The Day After,' about a nuclear holocaust in the USA -- there was a lot of massmedia debate beforehand re whether or not young people should be allowed to watch it

i thought to myself : How hypocritical -- the children in Hiroshima & Nagasaki did not receive such considerate pampering care...



Me Too! Sometime we have to shout to get the message across.

[eva08]

Thank you, for putting it all in front of us.