Barack Obama 2012

[jackovesk]

Wednesday, August 29, 2012


Alex Jones talks to Steve Quayle about crisis contingency plans currently being readied by the federal government.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVTBH8pPX_Q&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVTBH8pPX_Q&feature=player_embedded

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-preparing-for-total-takeover.html

PS - Now is not the time for the 'American People' to start 'Second-Guessing' themselves..:nono:

Its time for them (ALL) to start using their own 'COMMONSENSE' and start preparing themselves for the (Worst Case - Scenario)..!

Because the 'Facts' are heavily weighted against any kind of wishful thinking...


Been paying attention to the Govt. & MSM hints along the way?
Been paying attention to the convenient weather surrounding the RNC?
Been paying attention to just who can reek the most PTW/OWO (Endgame) damage out of Obama & Romney?
Been paying attention to the build up of Military, TSA & DHS presence lately?
Been paying attention to Raytheon's 'Warning' re: US Govt. Shutdown in the near future?
Been paying attention to the 'Fact' they still use 'Electronic Voting Machines', but now the majority of Votes will be counted Overseas by a private company?
Been paying attention to the steady increase of the price of Oil lately?
Been paying attention to the US Govt. & Federal Reserve 'DEBT LEVELS' as of late?
Been paying attention to the 'DOW JONES' Index just recently cracking past the 13,000 point mark?

That just a couple of KPI's worth considering...

The 'Key Indicators' are painfully obvious to anyone paying attention...

It really isn't a matter of (IF) its all going to come 'Tumblin-Down', its a matter of (WHEN)...:yes4:

The (Real-Key) is 'WHO' can do the most 'Damage' in the least amout of time and still stay on 'Track' to the PTW/OWO deadline, Obama or Romney..?

For starters...

Obama

Was 'Groomed' for decades for his role & the PTW/OWO like their 'ASSETS' to complete their missions.


He's managed to 'Still be in Power' after literally 'Raping the Constitution' in (Full-View) of the American people.
He's managed to 'Still be in Power' after RNAA 2012.
He's managed to 'Still be in Power' after 'Destroying the Economy' & 'Continually Racking Up the DEBT'

whereas...

Romney


Is a mere a Corporate Mafia 'Thug' & Controlled Opposition with as much Power as a...

'Fart in the Wind'...http://farts.typepad.com/smile_fart_anim_2.gif

Remember this which you already know...

Obama is the PTW/OWO's No.1, he has done everything that has been asked of him and more...

The PTW know that sticking with their (ASSET) Obama, their End-Goal will be alot smoother, knowing 'Full-Well' they would have to start all over again with Romney at the helm...

So the PTW/OWO scenario that 'Will' eventuate is they still want Obama and Romney is just a 'Distraction'...:yes4:

The PTW/OWO know that Obama is 'Un-Electible' in 2012...:yes4:

So some sheer bloody 'COMMONSENSE' will tell you what 'Will' happen in the not too distant future..!

...and 'Here's the real KICKER'

2012 President Elect 'Obama' will be able to 'Carry-On' his PTW/OWO mandate and continue his power to 'Veto'...

...Get this

(WILL) be able to apease the 'American People' by putting some of the PTW/OWO Criminals in (JAIL), knowing (Full-Well) at the end of his 'Term' he has...

The ability to utilise his final act of 'Treason' by using his (PRESIDENTIAL - PARDONS)...

http://static.infowars.com/2011/12/i/article-images/obama_signs_ndaa_indefinite_detention.jpg

The PTW/OWO are literally 'Pissing themselves with Laughter' :pound: at the American people already...:faint:

[jackovesk]

Alfred Adask: The U.S. is Being Destroyed Right Before Our Very Eyes!

Aug 29, 2012

Alex’s guest is Alfred Adask, the publisher of the AntiShyster News Magazine who was identified by the federal government as one of the top dozen anti-government activists during the 1990s. He was featured on a CBS 60 Minutes segment where he was pigeonholed as a Sovereign Citizen “guru.” Alex covers other important news items and takes your calls.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded

[gripreaper]

This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

[wynderer]

hey -- this is a great learning experience -- i always wondered how the nazis took over Germany -- well -- lucky me -- i'm seeing them do it in my own country, while on one of the best forums around, USA members have long chats about astral sex, & post lots of cute kids & animals & pretty landscape photos

edit to add: as i've said before, the Reptilians may have a point re the stupidity of most Humans -- note i said 'most,' not all

[jackovesk]

This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones is trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

Seems to me, it may be a good idea to watch the 'Alfred Adask' interview 1st gripreaper...:)

The 'Illuminati's (World Govt. Plan) has been 'In Progress' for Centuries, going right back to the days of 'Joseph' and beyond...

Its (ALL) layed out in the Bible for the entire World to SEE...:shocked:


(Genesis Chapter 47)...

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-47/

“HUMAN BEING” = “Animal”?


Alfred Adask - "I am fixated on the state and federal drugs laws that define the people to be “animals”. (See, “Man or Other Animals” and especially the Civil Suit I was involved in.)

I understand pretty clearly that gov-co’s attempts to define us as “animals” constitutes an act of treason, genocide, and especially spiritual warfare."

http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/human-being-animal/

[Referee]

Well the @#$% is going to hit the fan and everyone is saying in 60 days or so. Before the election. I wonder all this seems to be running so fast and before December. I remember in one of Bill's interviews about time lines that every timeline felt a bump in the time line like a download from the stars. A global wake up. I wonder if this is what is pushing TPTWTB to push so hard right now.'

Any Thoughts?

[gripreaper]

This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones is trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

Seems to me, it may be a good idea to watch the 'Alfred Adask' interview 1st gripreaper...:)

I've listened to a ton of Alfred Adask since I've been a student of the patriot and sovereignty movements for years. I "used" to listen to Alex Jones as well, but gave that up due to the high volume of fear mongering he does.

I'm aware of the origins of mankind, the hybridization of the species, the control grid of the elite, and the ancient history of this planet. I'm also intimately aware of the human resources "animal" reference, as encoded in the Dept of Agriculture definitions, etc.

Why are you invoking the "bible" as a historical reference in regards to an Alex Jones ? Alfred Adask interview?

Why do you say I should listen to "more" Alex Jones to get a feel for who Alfred Adask is? Compel me.

[Rocky_Shorz]

a false flag to move the elite out to the ship, confusing everyone with Martial Law to keep them from noticing...

all of these little puzzle pieces seem to fit together...

why continue producing bombs when Peace is coming, cutting budget for the war machine is expected with the tea party in power...

the Tea Party was created by Koch and Whitehead to do exactly what they are doing...

[jackovesk]

This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones is trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

Seems to me, it may be a good idea to watch the 'Alfred Adask' interview 1st gripreaper...:)

I've listened to a ton of Alfred Adask since I've been a student of the patriot and sovereignty movements for years. I "used" to listen to Alex Jones as well, but gave that up due to the high volume of fear mongering he does.

I'm aware of the origins of mankind, the hybridization of the species, the control grid of the elite, and the ancient history of this planet. I'm also intimately aware of the human resources "animal" reference, as encoded in the Dept of Agriculture definitions, etc.

Why are you invoking the "bible" as a historical reference in regards to an Alex Jones ? Alfred Adask interview?

Why do you say I should listen to "more" Alex Jones to get a feel for who Alfred Adask is? Compel me.

You know something gripreaper, I really could'nt be bothered getting into anymore 'Petty' arguments just for the sake of it...:faint:

For the 1,000th time...

The 'Audience' I am trying to reach is 'Not' our members who should already know better, its our 'Guests' who may be new to this type of information...

I am trying to get the 'Truth As I Know It' out to as many people as possible...

My time here is slowly coming to an end...

So instead of uneccessary 'Tardy-Comments', how about YOU start getting out from behind that keyboard and start educating some of your fellow Americans as to what is really happening in your Country...:)

PS - Just in case it hasn't 'Sunken In Yet'..?


The 'Audience' I am trying to reach is 'Not' our members who should already know better, its our 'Guests' who may be new to this type of information...:faint:

PSS - When its all 'Said & Done' my time here has not been waisted...:nono:

I have 'Learnt alot & Educated Many' throughout my Avalonian journey...

Ultimately, I am a 'Business Man' who has some new 'Workable' ideas that 'Will be Implemented' to help (ALL) the 'Corporate Slaves' get out of the 'System' and start sharing in the profits...:thumb:

You will see in the next 5 - 10 years once the 'Dust has Settled' just how 'Anyone' who has ever worked for a Corporation will 'FINALLY' be allowed to 'Share in the Profits'...:yes4:

So you can continue on with your pointless banter if you so choose...?

I really could'nt give a Toss..! :noidea:

[Referee]

I could not agree More JackO ! :yes4:

[GlassSteagallfan]

hey -- this is a great learning experience -- i always wondered how the nazis took over Germany -- well -- lucky me -- i'm seeing them do it in my own country, while on one of the best forums around, USA members have long chats about astral sex, & post lots of cute kids & animals & pretty landscape photos

edit to add: as i've said before, the Reptilians may have a point re the stupidity of most Humans -- note i said 'most,' not all

You're a Wayseer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Alfred Adask: The U.S. is Being Destroyed Right Before Our Very Eyes!

Aug 29, 2012

Alex’s guest is Alfred Adask, the publisher of the AntiShyster News Magazine who was identified by the federal government as one of the top dozen anti-government activists during the 1990s. He was featured on a CBS 60 Minutes segment where he was pigeonholed as a Sovereign Citizen “guru.” Alex covers other important news items and takes your calls.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded


Thanks Jacko,

That was a good listen.

[wynderer]

Jackovesk, if you think this off-topic, pls let me know & i'll delete

my son, also an abductee, insisted once that i listen to a Talking Heads song, shouting at me, re David Byrne, 'He's an alien, mom! he's an alien! ' [this was in '87, before he died]

so here's a picture of your future, my fellow USAmericans , from a prescient being:

DblvhECdws0

[gripreaper]

This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones is trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

Seems to me, it may be a good idea to watch the 'Alfred Adask' interview 1st gripreaper...:)

I've listened to a ton of Alfred Adask since I've been a student of the patriot and sovereignty movements for years. I "used" to listen to Alex Jones as well, but gave that up due to the high volume of fear mongering he does.

I'm aware of the origins of mankind, the hybridization of the species, the control grid of the elite, and the ancient history of this planet. I'm also intimately aware of the human resources "animal" reference, as encoded in the Dept of Agriculture definitions, etc.

Why are you invoking the "bible" as a historical reference in regards to an Alex Jones ? Alfred Adask interview?

Why do you say I should listen to "more" Alex Jones to get a feel for who Alfred Adask is? Compel me.

You know something gripreaper, I really could'nt be bothered getting into anymore 'Petty' arguments just for the sake of it...:faint:

For the 1,000th time...

The 'Audience' I am trying to reach is 'Not' our members who should already know better, its our 'Guests' who may be new to this type of information...

I am trying to get the 'Truth As I Know It' out to as many people as possible...

My time here is slowly coming to an end...:)

So instead of uneccessary 'Tardy-Comments', how about YOU start getting out from behind that keyboard and start educating some of your fellow Americans as to what is really happening in your Country...:)

PS - Just in case it hasn't 'Sunken In Yet'..?


The 'Audience' I am trying to reach is 'Not' our members who should already know better, its our 'Guests' who may be new to this type of information...:faint:

PSS - When its all 'Said & Done' my time here has not been waisted...:nono:

I have 'Learnt alot & Educated Many' throughout my Avalonian journey...

Ultimately, I am a 'Business Man' who has some new 'Workable' ideas that 'Will be Implemented' to help (ALL) the 'Corporate Slaves' get out of the 'System' and start sharing in the profits...:thumb:

You will see in the next 5 - 10 years once the 'Dust has Settled' just how 'Anyone' who has ever worked for a Corporation will 'FINALLY' be allowed to 'Share in the Profits'...:yes4:

So you can continue on with you pointless banter if you so choose...?

I really could'nt give a Toss..! :noidea:

OK, carry on. You are not talking to me, but the asleep unwashed masses wandering aimlessly through the forest not aware that there is a big bad wolf out there, while you work on a prototype for all corporate slaves to one day jump the proverbial fence and escape the plantation from their slave master overlords. I get it.

But, all I was asking for was some clarification of the "content" of the video before I spent ANOTHER hour listening to either Alfred Adask OR Alex Jones, while there are AT LEAST a dozen OTHER video's presented here that are AT LEAST as compelling. I DO NOT have six hours a day to devote to video's, as I actually do MORE than come onto your threads and attack your OP with pointless banter and unnecessary tardy comments.

So, while you see my inquiry as unnecessary, tardy, and pointless, I'll move along and let you save the guests who have never heard of Alfred Adask OR Alex Jones, and you can continue on with your mission of exposing all things you can find on the internet and start countless new threads with different color accents on different points.

I actually like most of the content you bring to this Forum. I'm just surprised by your response.

[donk]

You may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house?
You may ask yourself, where does that highway lead to?
You may ask yourself, am I right, am I wrong?
You may say to yourself, my god, what have I done?


I don't understand these really charged political threads on this forum. Are we starting on the assumptions:

Our vote does not count (Diebold, electoral college, 2000 decided by S.C., 2004 didn't seem like much changed in vote counting oversight, etc)
Our Chief Executive should not be "making decisions" or deciding things by himself (thought that was some sort of authotarianism, and reason we had a Congress--whole other story there)
No matter who is selected, they are owned and cannot make their own decidions anyway (ie--don't you need a ba-zillion dollars to show up on a ballot?)

...i could go on and on, but about W's second year after re-election, when even the average-joe "news" consumer recognized that "he" (really??) was making decisions and executive orders and bailouts to banks and every goddam thing he wanted that was clearly not in the "people's" best interest...the "people" still clung to the idea we had some sort of freedom and anything close to resembling the ideals of "democracy", I couldn't watch the reality show that is nat'l politics anymore.

Just watching a news clip or reading an article is acknowledging that somehow there's a system in place that we have some interest in (forget about control over), it just fuels it. To believe anything out of any of these clowns' mouths, to feed into the energy by even playing the game (voting), to have strong feelings about the personality they trot out in front of the teevee...it is just bizarre to me.

It's fun to try to piece together the scraps of information that "trickle down" to us, and pretend we know the intentions of everyone--the rulers, corporations, elected officials, the masses...but giving this sh!t so much power is crazy to me.

Guess I should just keep my mouth shut, and continue in the observer role...but I am curious...What would YOU teach the masses? Not directed at anyone in particular, but I think a lesson can be learned from the "JOSHUA" in WarGames:

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?



Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was

Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us
Time isn't holding us, time doesn't hold you back
Time isn't holding us, time isn't after us
Time isn't holding us...
--Once in a Lifetime (D Byrne as a TALKING HEAD!!)

[Mulder]

Wednesday, August 29, 2012


Alex Jones talks to Steve Quayle about crisis contingency plans currently being readied by the federal government.

The PTW/OWO are literally 'Pissing themselves with Laughter' :pound: at the American people already...:faint:

This Steve Quayle video has appeared in many threads this week, but you have explained it very well. Gerald Celente believes Obama will win & I KNOW he can do the most damage. Remember the old Kenyan story about how one Kenyan man will destroy America?
czEjUQf-T4E

[jackovesk]

But, all I was asking for was some clarification of the "content" of the video before I spent ANOTHER hour listening to either Alfred Adask OR Alex Jones, while there are AT LEAST a dozen OTHER video's presented here that are AT LEAST as compelling. I DO NOT have six hours a day to devote to video's, as I actually do MORE than come onto your threads and attack your OP with pointless banter and unnecessary tardy comments.


My Apologies if I upset you gripreaper...

However, I thought I had already given you the main context about the 'Adask - Interview' which consisted of 2 main points...

1. Biblical History regarding 'Joseph' who showed the Pharoah just how the masses can be so easily 'Manipulated & Controlled'
2. How the Drug Co's are trying to 'Manipulate' the definition of Human vs Animal, to such an extent where the PTW can then start treating us (ALL) like animals so legally is easier for them to carry-on their 'Eugenics' program without interference.



This doesn't make sense. Although I haven't watched the Infowars segment with Alfred Adask, why is he on Infowars?

Seems like mixing oil with water to me. Is Alex Jones is trying to "out" the sovereigns or what?

Seems to me, it may be a good idea to watch the 'Alfred Adask' interview 1st gripreaper...:)

The 'Illuminati's (World Govt. Plan) has been 'In Progress' for Centuries, going right back to the days of 'Joseph' and beyond...

Its (ALL) layed out in the Bible for the entire World to SEE...:shocked:


(Genesis Chapter 47)...

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-47/

“HUMAN BEING” = “Animal”?


Alfred Adask - "I am fixated on the state and federal drugs laws that define the people to be “animals”. (See, “Man or Other Animals” and especially the Civil Suit I was involved in.)

I understand pretty clearly that gov-co’s attempts to define us as “animals” constitutes an act of treason, genocide, and especially spiritual warfare."

http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/human-being-animal/

[jackovesk]

Well the @#$% is going to hit the fan and everyone is saying in 60 days or so. Before the election. I wonder all this seems to be running so fast and before December. I remember in one of Bill's interviews about time lines that every timeline felt a bump in the time line like a download from the stars. A global wake up. I wonder if this is what is pushing TPTWTB to push so hard right now.'

Any Thoughts?

G'Day Referee,

'3 - Words' have been running around my head of late...

CRAY SUPER-COMPUTERS...:noidea:

Now how can I explain what I mean...:confused:

Ok, remember the '2012 Olympics'...?

Remember how the MSM & Govt. were telling the world of their...


Missile defence system overseeing the 'Security' of the Olympics
The build up of 'Troops' due to the GS4 Security debacle
Every 'Single Conspiracy Theory' was exalted and played upon by the MSM
The constant barage of 'Event Scenarios' that could manifest once the 'Flame' was lit and the 2012 Olympic Games were underway


With 'MASSIVE' amounts of 'Dis-Info' and numerous 'PsyOps' to keep the public and especially the 'Alternative Media' on their toes and guessing if...

The PTW was going to stage another 'False - Flag'..?

The 'NOTHING HAPPENED'...Due to 'I Think' the Alternative Media's/Bloggers Saturation Effect - Saying to the PTW...


The 'EyE's of World are now (Watching YOU) the PTW/OWO

Go on, just you 'Try It' coz 'This Time'...

Your 'Not Going to Get Away With It' like you did on 911...:nono:

With all that Govt./MSM Propaganda and throw in the 'Alternative Media's' well founded 'Theories' based upon PTW ramped up Hints & Speculation..!

So through the 'Alternative Media' everyone knows (The PTW 'Will' Eventually Pull-The-Pin) on the US Economy just as planned...:yes4:

But WHEN...?????????

So this is where those 'Cray Super-Computers' come into the equation...

I liken the 'Cray Super-Computer' scenario to the 'Ping-Pong Clowns' seen in Side-Show Alley in most Carnivals (In Australia Anyway)


A very standard Aussie Carnival Game

You put the ping pong ball into the clown's mouth and it rolls into one of the numbered columns

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0tRuf6x_RMg/TGTmPWDt5-I/AAAAAAAARHk/d_AiNwCelYU/s400/IMG_9926.jpg

The PTW, just like the 'Clowns' feed all their 'Controlled DisInfo & PsyOp Info' & 'Alternative Media 'Conspiracies' into their Cray Super-Computers

http://im.rediff.com/money/2009/jul/24seymour1.jpg

They do 1 of 2 things

1. Analyse the 'Massive Amounts of Data' coming from botheir Minions & the Alternative Media/Bloggers to see (Just 'How' Much) the 'Alternative Media Community' have learnt..?
2. And to see (Just 'How' Much) saturation the 'False Flag' theories have impacted on the "Publics-Psyche'..?

This Data is 'Analysed' in every which way (Up, Down, Around & Sideways)...

To see 'When & If' they can Pull-Off another 'False-Flag' and getaway with it...:yes4:

Remember the PTW (Always - Attack) when the least amount of people expect it..!!!


The 'Timing' of the 'Event or False-Flag' is 'Not' done by a human parsee, its done by a 'SUPER-COMPUTER'...!

PS - In summary 'Who Knows' when they will 'Collapse the Economy'...:noidea:

One thing I do know, it will be when we least expect it and it will have to accompanied by a 'Number of Events' running simultaneously for 'Maximum IMPACT'...:faint:

[jackovesk]

The Crunch: “It’s Going to Happen In the Next Administration; Regardless of Who Wins This Election”

Mac Slavo
SHTF Plan
Wednesday, August 30, 2012

Our incumbent President says that things are getting better, jobs are being created, and America is on the road to recovery. His opponent, Governor Mitt Romney, says the opposite, but claims he has a plan that will turn things around and bring prosperity back.

According to free market proponent Peter Schiff, it doesn’t matter who wins, because the crunch is coming – and it’s going to become apparent during the next President’s administration.

He [Mitt Romney] is not going to prevent the crisis.

We’re headed for a real economic collapse regardless of who wins this election.

…

The government has over-promised. There are gigantic Ponzi schemes. They do not work.

Meanwhile, the only reason the economy has not collapsed is because interest rates are artificially low. the Fed cannot keep interest rates low indefinitely, and when interest rates go up the party is over. And then we’re not going to have a choice anymore.

We’re going to have to finally deal with these problems or destroy our currency, and that is a real economic crisis that is going to make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

[The crunch] is going to happen in the next administration.

…

We can’t fix these problems by repealing Obamacare and cutting taxes. We have structural problems that underline the U.S. economy that are very deep that require real free market reforms, and unfortunately none of the major candidates are even talking about that right now.

Video via: Steve Quayle, Before It’s News


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwr_thVZc8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwr_thVZc8&feature=player_embedded

Peter Schiff was ahead of the collapse of 2008, warning clients of his firm Euro Pacific Capitalthat global equities would crash as a result of fraud, unservicable debt levels and a failed monetary policy. After the crash he, like many others, urged Congress to address the fundamental problems within the US economy, including fiscal, monetary and economic policy reform.

He and the American citizenry were ignored as Washington not only didn’t listen, but engaged in exactly the opposite of what should have been done.

Four years on we’re worse off than ever before, with more money having been borrowed from foreign creditors and stolen by the government from taxpayers under the guise of bailing out essential financial and manufacturing sectors of the global economy.

We’re in too deep folks. At this point, it cannot be stopped.

Trillions of dollars are owed, and as a country we have no way to make good on that debt.

Confidence in the US dollar will soon be lost, and when that happens we will experience a collapse in the United States and the global economy unlike any that has ever been witnessed in the history of the world.

Historians will write about this era for centuries to come, just as they write of Rome today.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-crunch-%e2%80%9cit%e2%80%99s-going-to-happen-in-the-next-administration-regardless-of-who-wins-this-election%e2%80%9d.html

[Bill Ryan]

I was asking for was some clarification of the "content" of the video before I spent ANOTHER hour listening to either Alfred Adask OR Alex Jones, while there are AT LEAST a dozen OTHER video's presented here that are AT LEAST as compelling. I DO NOT have six hours a day to devote to video's, as I actually do MORE than come onto your threads and attack your OP with pointless banter and unnecessary tardy comments.


A gentle note of support here.

I, too, very much appreciate a summary of a video (even a short one!) before I devote time to listening. It's literally impossible to watch or listen to all the videos that are posted on Avalon with taglines like "Wow, you must see this!"

In my own case, I pursue various lines of enquiry, but not others. I know many other members do likewise, and their interests and research lines can be quite specific.

At the moment, I'm focused on gathering clues -- 'data points' on the current graph, so to speak -- that may help me understand what's being planned by the globalists over the next few months. In my opinion, this is of overwhelming importance. I find Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle's claims credible, compelling, and important.

As I said above, it all fits. Now I'm looking for more data which fits.

If Alfred Adask adds value to this, please let me know, and I will watch the video.

[jackovesk]

I was asking for was some clarification of the "content" of the video before I spent ANOTHER hour listening to either Alfred Adask OR Alex Jones, while there are AT LEAST a dozen OTHER video's presented here that are AT LEAST as compelling. I DO NOT have six hours a day to devote to video's, as I actually do MORE than come onto your threads and attack your OP with pointless banter and unnecessary tardy comments.


A gentle note of support here.

I, too, very much appreciate a summary of a video (even a short one!) before I devote time to listening. It's literally impossible to watch or listen to all the videos that are posted on Avalon with taglines like "Wow, you must see this!"

In my own case, I pursue various lines of enquiry, but not others. I know many other members do likewise, and their interests and research lines can be quite specific.

At the moment, I'm focused on gathering clues -- 'data points' on the current graph, so to speak -- that may help me understand what's being planned by the globalists over the next few months. In my opinion, this is of overwhelming importance. I find Doug Hagmann and Steve Quayle's claims credible, compelling, and important.

As I said above, it all fits. Now I'm looking for more data which fits.

If Alfred Adask adds value to this, please let me know, and I will watch the video.

G'Day Bill,

I am not sure who you wanted to answer this, myself or gripreaper...?


As I said above, it all fits. Now I'm looking for more data which fits.

If Alfred Adask adds value to this, please let me know, and I will watch the video.

The 'Alfred Adask' interview outlines the very 'Origins' of the PTW/Illuminati mindset and basically lays the foundations as to what the 'Elite' have been doing for over 1,000 years...

Going right back to the days where Joseph cheated the commoners out of their food, dignity and finally there souls all in the name of 'Power & Control' on behalf of the Pharoah, masterminded by 'the World's 1st Economist - Joseph in GENESIS' himself...(Starts @ 29.00 minute mark of the video 'below')...


The Illuminati's (World Govt. Plan) has been 'In Progress' for Centuries, going right back to the days of 'Joseph' and beyond...

Its (ALL) layed out in the Bible for the entire World to SEE....

(Genesis Chapter 47)...

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-47/

...Adask then ties this 'Ancient History' to the modern day 'Definition' of Humans now being classified as 'Animals' in order for the 'Elite' to continue their 1,000 year old Con...

“HUMAN BEING” = “Animal”?


Alfred Adask - "I am fixated on the state and federal drugs laws that define the people to be “animals”. (See, “Man or Other Animals” and especially the Civil Suit I was involved in.)

I understand pretty clearly that gov-co’s attempts to define us as “animals” constitutes an act of treason, genocide, and especially spiritual warfare."

http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/human-being-animal/

PS - For what its worth Bill, the 'Adask Interview' is even better than the 'Steve Quayle' interview and may just add another piece of that (Spiritual) puzzle to help consolidate your research even further...:yes4:

Alfred Adask: The U.S. is Being Destroyed Right Before Our Very Eyes!

Aug 29, 2012

Alex’s guest is Alfred Adask, the publisher of the AntiShyster News Magazine who was identified by the federal government as one of the top dozen anti-government activists during the 1990s. He was featured on a CBS 60 Minutes segment where he was pigeonholed as a Sovereign Citizen “guru.” Alex covers other important news items and takes your calls.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu20rIQut7M&feature=player_embedded

[sunnyrap]

It's the stuff msm doesn't report on that can 'unplug the fan'...e.g.:

In local news today:

August 30, 2012
Schulman Theatres to show '2016: Obama's America' this weekend
Staff Reports

Schulman Theatres will be showing the movie “2016: Obama’s America,” starting this weekend.

The theater had been overwhelmed with phone calls in recent weeks from many local people who were interested in seeing the movie.

After its successful opening weekend in limited theaters nationwide, the filmmakers are distributing the movie to even more theaters this weekend.

The 87-minute documentary purports to show what the United States of America would look like were President Obama to win a second term.

Even my 92 year old neighbor had heard about this film (from her worldly children) and wants to see it...

[avid]

just my luck - health insurance packed up last week after years of paying £130 per month, got a hernia and the new quote is £2000 for just the basic op! Paid for over 30 years and they won't pay! I've not claimed for many years! In this big scheme of things I have to laugh at these daft scenarios - there but for the greater "whatever it is" go I....
Onward and upwards folks!!! Fooled by the banksterds and insurances yet again....

[jackovesk]

It's the stuff msm doesn't report on that can 'unplug the fan'...e.g.:

In local news today:

August 30, 2012
Schulman Theatres to show '2016: Obama's America' this weekend
Staff Reports

Schulman Theatres will be showing the movie “2016: Obama’s America,” starting this weekend.

The theater had been overwhelmed with phone calls in recent weeks from many local people who were interested in seeing the movie.

After its successful opening weekend in limited theaters nationwide, the filmmakers are distributing the movie to even more theaters this weekend.

The 87-minute documentary purports to show what the United States of America would look like were President Obama to win a second term.

Even my 92 year old neighbor had heard about this film (from her worldly children) and wants to see it...

WoW - Scary Stuff there sunnyrap...:scared:

Here's an 'Actual Quote' from that film...


Obama has a 'Dream', a 'Dream' from his father..! That the sins of 'Colonialism' be set right and America be 'Downsized'..!

2016: Obama's America - Trailer 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbqMGtvQD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRbqMGtvQD0

PS -

8/30/12 Breitbart

Does D'Souza's Hypocrisy Charge Against Obama Ring True?


Was it fair for Dinesh D’Souza to call President Obama a “hypocrite?" It seems Obama has repeatedly refused to aid his impoverished, slum-dwelling half-brother George—even with emergency medical care for his son, the president’s nephew.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/08/30/obama-brothers-keeper-2016

Dr. Dinesh D'Souza "2016: Obama's America" - The Jesse Lee Peterson Radio Show

Jul 17, 2012

Jesse Lee Peterson w/ Dr. Dinesh D'Souza, NY Times Bestselling author of "The Roots of Obama's Rage" and President of The King's College. D'Souza's new film, "2016: Obama's America" - Love Him, Hate Him, You Don't Know Him! D'Souza's film debuts August 2016. He has interviewed Obama's African half-brother and gone to multiple continents to make this film, produced by an Oscar-winner.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbusRvo2cH8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbusRvo2cH8&feature=related

http://2016themovie.com/i/obamas_america_intro.jpg
http://2016themovie.com/i/obamas_america_intro7.png?v=001
http://2016themovie.com/

[waves]

Herewegohereitcomesit'scominglookoutOHNOgetpreparedit'sBIGdon'tbestupidwe'vefigureditoutSOONnextmont hin60days90days4monthsFORSUREhere'sproofsomeoneforrealtoldmei'mnotlying...IT''S TRUE!HOLY&^%*&$*YIIIIIIIIIIIIKES!

C'mon everyone!! That Quayle/Jones interview has the exact same panicky tone of voice, <proof>, intelligent detail, unnamed insiders, supposed warning in the name of goodwill as endless others of countless things that NEVER HAPPEN.

I wish the posting of anyone's interview or prediction either human or channelloid as supposedly valid info would include anything the predictor has ever been right about in the past.

I'm really starting to see the panic prediction revolving door game of over the last 10-15 years and what a fool I was to buy into a lot of them. I see them now as a constant stream of extreme and dire fear mongering scenarios, always a few with a 1-2 month window, a few with a 3-6 month window, & others longer that ALWAYS end with an excuse. Then they can repackage the old data everyone knows, revise and update the fear scenario and give it a new timeframe to milk. Timeframe passes. Revise/Repeat. Timeframe passes. Revise/Repeat.....

The consistency has been so high, I'm considering all predictions a 99% probability of what ISN'T going to happen - especially the names on the higher visibility Jones, Rense, and C2C circuits.

I'm suspecting that even the open-minded, intelligent, self-educated and caring anti-establishment crowd have a big 2nd round of awakening to do as to how they are being played, misdirected and energy sucked on many, many fronts. I see frequent quickly buying into anything anti-establishment and intelligently presented as true...... but all!...ALL... these panicky predictions have been extremely full of true facts, true evidence of extreme govt corruption, true lies, true data, extremely plausible intelligent analysis....... and didn't happen.

Also, the stuff that HAS happened.... none of these people exactly predicted.

The question for me is more, if all the panicky predictors on the alternative circuit are fed, managed and/or planted, why? What is putting our attention here keeping us from doing??

[jackovesk]

Herewegohereitcomesit'scominglookoutOHNOgetpreparedit'sBIGdon'tbestupidwe'vefigureditoutSOONnextmont hin60days90days4monthsFORSUREhere'sproofsomeoneforrealtoldmei'mnotlying...IT''S TRUE!HOLY&^%*&$*YIIIIIIIIIIIIKES!

C'mon everyone!! That Quayle/Jones interview has the exact same panicky tone of voice, <proof>, intelligent detail, unnamed insiders, supposed warning in the name of goodwill as endless others of countless things that NEVER HAPPEN.

I wish the posting of anyone's interview or prediction either human or channelloid as supposedly valid info would include anything the predictor has ever been right about in the past.

I'm really starting to see the panic prediction revolving door game of over the last 10-15 years and what a fool I was to buy into a lot of them. I see them now as a constant stream of extreme and dire fear mongering scenarios, always a few with a 1-2 month window, a few with a 3-6 month window, & others longer that ALWAYS end with an excuse. Then they can repackage the old data everyone knows, revise and update the fear scenario and give it a new timeframe to milk. Timeframe passes. Revise/Repeat. Timeframe passes. Revise/Repeat.....

The consistency has been so high, I'm considering all predictions a 99% probability of what ISN'T going to happen - especially the names on the higher visibility Jones, Rense, and C2C circuits.

I'm suspecting that even the open-minded, intelligent, self-educated and caring anti-establishment crowd have a big 2nd round of awakening to do as to how they are being played, misdirected and energy sucked on many, many fronts. I see frequent quickly buying into anything anti-establishment and intelligently presented as true...... but all!...ALL... these panicky predictions have been extremely full of true facts, true evidence of extreme govt corruption, true lies, true data, extremely plausible intelligent analysis....... and didn't happen.

Also, the stuff that HAS happened.... none of these people exactly predicted.

The question for me is more, if all the panicky predictors on the alternative circuit are fed, managed and/or planted, why? What is putting our attention here keeping us from doing??

Forget about what You or I think or Alex Jones or Steve Quayle or the MSM or the Govt, etc, etc...

Throw-Out that useless/pathetic word 'FearMongering' and start assessing the (Bloody - FACTS) with a little dose of 'Discernment' and some good 'Old Fashioned'...


COMMONSENSE...:yes4:

...now what were you trying to say again Sebastasoul...:confused:

[waves]

Herewegohereitcomesit'scominglookoutOHNOgetpreparedit'sBIGdon'tbestupidwe'vefigureditoutSOONnextmont hin60days90days4monthsFORSUREhere'sproofsomeoneforrealtoldmei'mnotlying...IT''S TRUE!HOLY&^%*&$*YIIIIIIIIIIIIKES!

C'mon everyone!! That Quayle/Jones interview has the exact same panicky tone of voice, <proof>, intelligent detail, unnamed insiders, supposed warning in the name of goodwill as endless others of countless things that NEVER HAPPEN.

.........The question for me is more, if all the panicky predictors on the alternative circuit are fed, managed and/or planted, why? What is putting our attention here keeping us from doing??

Forget about what You or I think or Alex Jones or Steve Quayle or the MSM or the Govt, etc, etc...

Throw-Out that useless/pathetic word 'FearMongering' and start assessing the (Bloody - FACTS) with a little dose of 'Discernment' and some good 'Old Fashioned'...


COMMONSENSE...:yes4:...now what were you trying to say again Sebastasoul...:confused:


I'm saying...
1. I'm taking notice of the growing mountain of interviews full of 'bloody facts' and 'common sense' like this Quayle/Jones interview urgently warning of many things THAT HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

2. I'm pointing out that the regulars on this panicky prediction circuit have yet to be right about anything.

3. I'm pointing out that the regulars on the panicky prediction circuit have missed everything dire and major that HAS happened.

4. I'm saying we need to take notice of this lengthy pattern and re-assess the messages and messengers. :unsure:

[Jules]

Thank you Jackov.

I just ask you, if you were a common American, what is the best action to be taken at this time? A lot of us have common sense, however a lot of us do not have uncommon knowledge. Knowledge is power. Absolute power is corrupt. Regarding that topic, are there any definite answers, or even any general answers? Yes, I see that Americans in general have lacked some things (to say the least), however where do we go from here?

Best regards.

[ThePythonicCow]

At the moment, I'm focused on gathering clues -- 'data points' on the current graph, so to speak -- that may help me understand what's being planned by the globalists over the next few months.
thanks :)

[Etherios]

I'm saying...
1. I'm taking notice of the growing mountain of interviews full of 'bloody facts' and 'common sense' like this Quayle/Jones interview urgently warning of many things THAT HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

2. I'm pointing out that the regulars on this panicky prediction circuit have yet to be right about anything.

3. I'm pointing out that the regulars on the panicky prediction circuit have missed everything dire and major that HAS happened.

4. I'm saying we need to take notice of this lengthy pattern and re-assess the messages and messengers. :unsure:

1. I dont remember ever having such a huge amount of "Bloody Facts" ... ever. So what you think of the facts/info we have been finding lately ??? (comment the facts not the messeger plz ... I dont care about AJ or Quaule etc etc ... )
2. I am pretty sure the ONLY thing that the "circuit" are getting wrong is the time of the events. The actual events or at least that something is gonna happen is always correct.
3. Please care to tell us what major happened and we didnt know or didnt expect something to happen?
4. So take notice and tell us what you think ... cause all i see you say is they are wrong. Explain / support / educate us plz.

TBH something is brewing and the events are going so fast that we dont even have time to investigate them. If you dont agree that something is gonna happen and real soon then i will have to disagree with you.

[waves]

I'm saying...
1. I'm taking notice of the growing mountain of interviews full of 'bloody facts' and 'common sense' like this Quayle/Jones interview urgently warning of many things THAT HAVE NOT HAPPENED.

2. I'm pointing out that the regulars on this panicky prediction circuit have yet to be right about anything.

3. I'm pointing out that the regulars on the panicky prediction circuit have missed everything dire and major that HAS happened.

4. I'm saying we need to take notice of this lengthy pattern and re-assess the messages and messengers. :unsure:

1. I dont remember ever having such a huge amount of "Bloody Facts" ... ever. So what you think of the facts/info we have been finding lately ??? (comment the facts not the messeger plz ... I dont care about AJ or Quaule etc etc ... )
2. I am pretty sure the ONLY thing that the "circuit" are getting wrong is the time of the events. The actual events or at least that something is gonna happen is always correct.
3. Please care to tell us what major happened and we didnt know or didnt expect something to happen?
4. So take notice and tell us what you think ... cause all i see you say is they are wrong. Explain / support / educate us plz.

TBH something is brewing and the events are going so fast that we dont even have time to investigate them. If you dont agree that something is gonna happen and real soon then i will have to disagree with you.

Sorry I have to be more vague than you're asking for, but I didn't take notes on the countless interviews I've listened to over many years to be able cite many specifics. You didn't disagree with me that no predictions have actually happened. I'm just saying there's a pattern here now of years of interviews seemingly full of intelligent data and analysis and facts, forming conclusions/predictions that never happen, so what is the agenda if there is one?

I disagree that there's more bloody facts now than ever, there's been countless interviews full of bloody facts - and I even think a lot of the facts are true.

Some of the big things that happened without prediction are 9-11, that Obama would do nothing he said, the Syrian, Egyptian and Greece uprisings, the Gulf oil spill, the Japan quake, the current stock market and real estate rally, for a few loosely.

My only 'taking notice' assessment is wondering if the agenda is a deliberate chaotic mix of well meaning and not well meaning circuit regulars.... all claiming accurate info but also probably gullible to a certain amount of craftily fed non accurate info.... <many different interviewees have very differing 'accurate' info!>....and the 'profitability' factor now seeping into the sensational alternative news circuit........................

..Resulting in keeping the intelligent crowd relentlessly interested, always waiting, fearful, confused and on edge about many subjects and purchasing related stuff. Does this mean PTB ongoing goal accomplished??

Because while we're listening to panicky predictors, the new CEO of Chrysler Sergio Marchionne isn't in the least worried about martial law or financial collapse, has a fresh new line of cars on the line and planned, is making a huge profit again, is putting lots of people to work and looking forward to business as usual for many years to come. No one is warning him to slow down and I bet he has quite the list of (aaah-hemm) 'friends'..

[Etherios]

I disagree that there's more bloody facts now than ever, there's been countless interviews full of bloody facts - and I even think a lot of the facts are true.

Some of the big things that happened without prediction are 9-11, that Obama would do nothing he said, the Syrian, Egyptian and Greece uprisings, the Gulf oil spill, the Japan quake, the current stock market and real estate rally, for a few loosely.

My only 'taking notice' assessment is wondering if the agenda is a deliberate chaotic mix of well meaning and not well meaning circuit regulars.... all claiming accurate info but also probably gullible to a certain amount of craftily fed non accurate info.... <many different interviewees have very differing 'accurate' info!>....and the 'profitability' factor now seeping into the sensational alternative news circuit........................

..Resulting in keeping the intelligent crowd relentlessly interested, always waiting, fearful, confused and on edge about many subjects and purchasing related stuff. Does this mean PTB ongoing goal accomplished??

Because while we're listening to panicky predictors, the new CEO of Chrysler Sergio Marchionne isn't in the least worried about martial law or financial collapse, has a fresh new line of cars on the line and planned, is making a huge profit again, is putting lots of people to work and looking forward to business as usual for many years to come. No one is warning him to slow down and I bet he has quite the list of (aaah-hemm) 'friends'..

Well it doesnt really matter if we disagree on the amount of info out there atm. There is atm so much out there that we cant read all of it.

Now about the predictions you say ...
About 9-11 i am not really sure cause its been a few years and i wasnt that awake at that period so i barely got any proper info.
About obama ... you are really wrong. You can search and find many many people were screaming about him and that he isnt the peace president everyone was saying. I guess most just didnt realize how bad he was going to become. Alex Jones for example has many videos talking about Obama during his election and prior to that. (Look it up plz)
About the uprisings ... omg man you are REALLY REALLY off here. I personally have read many many people talking about this and how it will be controlled and guided to what we have here. As i said THE ONLY THING you cant "predict" (i really hate this word) is the time table. As we know Syria will be invaded like Libya, as we know Iran is next etc etc. We knew about these events couple of years before they happened. Especially in Greece .. we knew something will happen 1 year before Papandreou got elected. He actually signed the IMF and other deals before he got elected ...
About the Finacial problems ... go read/listen Max Kaiser. He has talked about these "events" years before ... he just doesnt know when exactly. Noone knows the time table thats the hardest (impossible i think) problem.
Last about the Guilf Spill and the EQ in Japan. I have a feeling you just want to troll here. The topic here is talking about people gathering the info and presenting it to the public. This isnt future telling or future predictions, its simple facts and how you interpret them. Events that are triggered in a moment cant be "predicted" by these means.

I still dont see you commenting about the info ... i am really worried you think there are none that show things are going bad. Yes if the CEO you said stopped making new cars the sheep would wake up ... if the football stops looking for new players the sheep will be on the streets the next day. But if their friends get jailed for rain water they will just say "Bah its how society is".

Plz tell us what you think about the info on the above videos else i hope you stop posting like this and contribute something. Even if you disagree with the videos tell us why ... "They never predicted anything" isnt a comment.

p.s. I hope this didnt come too hard but if you ignore it and continue to just say all these are bull ... ill be forced to think you are here to troll or worse. I hope to hear your thoughts soon.

p.s.1. This thread is about 3-4 videos ... we all here talk about these not the last 20 years :-P just saying.

[waves]

I disagree that there's more bloody facts now than ever, there's been countless interviews full of bloody facts - and I even think a lot of the facts are true.

Some of the big things that happened without prediction are 9-11, that Obama would do nothing he said, the Syrian, Egyptian and Greece uprisings, the Gulf oil spill, the Japan quake, the current stock market and real estate rally, for a few loosely.

My only 'taking notice' assessment is wondering if the agenda is a deliberate chaotic mix of well meaning and not well meaning circuit regulars.... all claiming accurate info but also probably gullible to a certain amount of craftily fed non accurate info.... <many different interviewees have very differing 'accurate' info!>....and the 'profitability' factor now seeping into the sensational alternative news circuit........................

..Resulting in keeping the intelligent crowd relentlessly interested, always waiting, fearful, confused and on edge about many subjects and purchasing related stuff. Does this mean PTB ongoing goal accomplished??

Because while we're listening to panicky predictors, the new CEO of Chrysler Sergio Marchionne isn't in the least worried about martial law or financial collapse, has a fresh new line of cars on the line and planned, is making a huge profit again, is putting lots of people to work and looking forward to business as usual for many years to come. No one is warning him to slow down and I bet he has quite the list of (aaah-hemm) 'friends'..

Well it doesnt really matter if we disagree on the amount of info out there atm. There is atm so much out there that we cant read all of it.

Now about the predictions you say ...
About 9-11 i am not really sure cause its been a few years and i wasnt that awake at that period so i barely got any proper info.
About obama ... you are really wrong. You can search and find many many people were screaming about him and that he isnt the peace president everyone was saying. I guess most just didnt realize how bad he was going to become. Alex Jones for example has many videos talking about Obama during his election and prior to that. (Look it up plz)
About the uprisings ... omg man you are REALLY REALLY off here. I personally have read many many people talking about this and how it will be controlled and guided to what we have here. As i said THE ONLY THING you cant "predict" (i really hate this word) is the time table. As we know Syria will be invaded like Libya, as we know Iran is next etc etc. We knew about these events couple of years before they happened. Especially in Greece .. we knew something will happen 1 year before Papandreou got elected. He actually signed the IMF and other deals before he got elected ...
About the Finacial problems ... go read/listen Max Kaiser. He has talked about these "events" years before ... he just doesnt know when exactly. Noone knows the time table thats the hardest (impossible i think) problem.
Last about the Guilf Spill and the EQ in Japan. I have a feeling you just want to troll here. The topic here is talking about people gathering the info and presenting it to the public. This isnt future telling or future predictions, its simple facts and how you interpret them. Events that are triggered in a moment cant be "predicted" by these means.

I still dont see you commenting about the info ... i am really worried you think there are none that show things are going bad. Yes if the CEO you said stopped making new cars the sheep would wake up ... if the football stops looking for new players the sheep will be on the streets the next day. But if their friends get jailed for rain water they will just say "Bah its how society is".

Plz tell us what you think about the info on the above videos else i hope you stop posting like this and contribute something. Even if you disagree with the videos tell us why ... "They never predicted anything" isnt a comment.

p.s. I hope this didnt come too hard but if you ignore it and continue to just say all these are bull ... ill be forced to think you are here to troll or worse. I hope to hear your thoughts soon.

p.s.1. This thread is about 3-4 videos ... we all here talk about these not the last 20 years :-P just saying.


Maybe the reason I replied in the first place should have been it's own thread then. You're right, I'm not discussing the info in those videos because I don't disagree with the collected data for the most part. You're right about the timing being the trickiest part of predicting, but there sure is a very long list accumulating with lots of passed deadlines. I also didn't give much thought to the examples of stuff not predicted you asked for, (I did say 'loosely'). Maybe those issues were spoken about, but I listed subjects that to me didn't have anywhere close to the volumes of interviewers saying the same thing like this big collapse warning going on now.

I can only close this by repeating what I first said - I replied in this thread because the Quayle/Jones interview so loudly (to me) sounded just like 100+ others I've heard now over the years, full of credible sounding facts and anxiously warning of things that never happened. It sounded like all the others with people so sure of themselves that ended up being wrong and thought I saw a longterm pattern and wondered about it. If it was wrong to say it here, sorry.

[Mu2143]

PART 1:Dream of Barack Obama and Judgement - THE PEOPLE MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND REPENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZkjcGYNMvs&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZkjcGYNMvs&feature=plcp

PART 2:Dream of Barack Obama and Judgement - THE PEOPLE MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND REPENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evij5qzsbz0&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evij5qzsbz0&feature=plcp

PART 1: PROPHECY FULFILLED (Dream of Barack Obama and Judgement)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R71cBdl1UY&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R71cBdl1UY&feature=plcp

PART 2: PROPHECY FULFILLED (Dream of Barack Obama and Judgement)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN_NlFCTKhk&list=UUp_byb7mPNBFIW30P0EfhVQ&index=2&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN_NlFCTKhk&list=UUp_byb7mPNBFIW30P0EfhVQ&index=2&feature=plcp

PART 3: PROPHECY FULFILLED (Dream of Barack Obama and Judgement)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjOvQVjiyA&list=UUp_byb7mPNBFIW30P0EfhVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmjOvQVjiyA&list=UUp_byb7mPNBFIW30P0EfhVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

[Flash]

Very big religious overtone in these video.

As far as I am concerned, I may forgive, me and others, for having created this reality, but I do not have to repent (many times mentioned in the videos), I am done with the guilt feeling and the control through guilt programs.

As for the dreams, there is, I believe different kind of dreams. Some are to repair your body, some to repair your psyche, some are just to adjust whatever went on during the day, and very few ones (unless you practice for it) are prophecies and true clairvoyance.

The little I heard in those videos, it looks much more as repair/adjustments dreams than any prophecies or clairvoyance.

In resume, i would as well listen to the dreams of my friends, I could have at minimum as much from it.

[Mu2143]

Very big religious overtone in these video.

As far as I am concerned, I may forgive, me and others, for having created this reality, but I do not have to repent (many times mentioned in the videos), I am done with the guilt feeling and the control through guilt programs.

As for the dreams, there is, I believe different kind of dreams. Some are to repair your body, some to repair your psyche, some are just to adjust whatever went on during the day, and very few ones (unless you practice for it) are prophecies and true clairvoyance.

The little I heard in those videos, it looks much more as repair/adjustments dreams than any prophecies or clairvoyance.

In resume, i would as well listen to the dreams of my friends, I could have at minimum as much from it.

Making a statement like that saying it is religious make sure you understand the difference between that and spirituality, Because it is not in her
words in the physical that makes the punch but in the spirit in the spiritual realm.
Do you now that your living in a world just like this on the other side ? that is as real as this one (Full color ,buildings people , etc)?

[Flash]

I have been raised catholic and believe me, I see religious ovetones all over those videos, and I am very sensitive at detecting them. And I do make the difference with spirituality (hopefully).

As for the impact on me, religious tones will use the repent, the guilt trip, away from yourself and the constant danger feelings, etc. Spirituality would mostly overall make you feel empowered through your own self (higher self, whatever it is), even when discourage, threatened or in face of Evil for example. The difference is quite substantial.

The other side is like this side, because it is what we want to believe and what we have to work through.

[Mu2143]

I have been raised catholic and believe me, I see religious ovetones all over those videos, and I very sensitive at detecting them. And I do make the difference with spirituality (hopefully).

As for the impact on me, religious tones will use the repent, the guit trip, away from yourself and the constant danger, etc. Spirituality would mostly overall make you feel empowered through your own self (higher self, whatever it is), even when discourage, threatened or in face of Evil for example. The difference is quite substantial.

The other side is like this side, because it is what we want to believe and what we have to work through.

Like I said it is not the words that it may sound "religious" ,because that is not how you can identifiey who is. It is going take time to see if some one is religios or not.

Does who follow the way of spirit have it. But you still going to need the discerntment for does who are ,because people still make their mistakes.

And second I have experience the other side it is not the same but similar. You think
your at your place but that could not be the case.(Whent to bed and woke up on the other side)

I live it and see it and experience it, but your stilll going to have to do it your self.

I know this is a spiritual school and satan is controling the game we have created. can we realy undo what we have got are self in too ?I am not talking about my self here but everyone who is here.

Post update-----
About religion ,some one who is in to science or new age can be religious. But it does not sound like religion does it?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Worth a listen ... liar liar pants on fire...

This is an extraordinary fact based expose of the fairy tale story "sold" to the American public about Barack Obama and those who have surrounded and influenced him since childhood. Do you know ANYONE who believes the things Obama believes or would do the things Obama has done? What is most disturbingis the extent to which the mainstream media has been complicit in keeping these facts from the American public.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYnCwwtSuU0&feature=related

viking

[Star Tsar]

I HATE the way he changes his accent depending on the demographic he is addressing....
Oh and like his "Grandfather" he's serving the British.

:yes4:

[WhiteFeather]

Please Note.......Obama is just The Mens Room Cologne Clerk In The White House. Nothing More. As There are 27 Layers above him. It doesnt matter who is elected president. And Its not a bad job handing out towels and cologne. Until someone comes into the restroom and takes a real foul dump without doing a complimentary flush.

http://www.youjustmademylist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bathroom_attendant.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIrbVc_LCIg

[Fred Steeves]

Barack(Barry) "The False", and Glenn "The False". In the end, both serving the same masters.

Bad joo joo, the both of them.

[Flash]

Guys there is some unfair statements here stemming from ignorance of how it works in poor countries. Example, minute 6:00 Barack grand father paid his wife 14 cows, who has the money for 14 cows if they are pastry chef only, to the British, a servant? Well well well, I know a chef, in Turkey, who was serving very rich people, and managing a small army of cooks. He was paid under the table in gold, which he hid, placed etc, finally bought few real estate, bought few business and became wealthy himself. In poor countries, a pastry chef may be managing few people at least and if working for wealthy people makes enough money to pay for the living of about 20 families.

16:02 the dad was married in Kenya with two children and came here, never married Barrack's mother and "f" her and get her pregnant, while taking Ruth back to Kenya. 3 wives. Name me American that HAVE NOT divorce (52% or the population), have not made unwed mother pregnant (look at teenage pregnancies) and ....

Now his name, Barry, not Barrack: well, Skip instead of Roger, Tom instead of Thomas, Chris instead of Christian, Kim instead of Kimberly and Barry instead of Barrack, where is the difference? Minute 6.2

His mother fear that his name Barrack would be detrimental to him in America. I had the exact same discussion for my daughter's name with her father, because, yes, people ARE prejudiced. We finally gave her a combine name, one international in most languages and the other quite local. Finally she does not like the international one and uses the local one - guess what: like Barrack

The bleached black person in Barrack story cannot be proven, I give that one. But this guy is so anti at any price, that I cannot be sure I believe him either.

The composite girl, ok, Barrack is imaginative when caught.

A guy living 3 blocks away from Barrack has met him in a coffee shop: duh,, i meet my neighbors by chance in the neighborood coffee....

This is all to say that we can make anything with any story. This guy in his snicker is not better in his bitterness to show deemed fiction than Barrack with his own fiction.

I wish it was honest on both sides.

Please guys, look at the more substantial stuff to hang someone, such as policies if you want, response to lobbyist, embezlement if you can find, not petty stories.

[Shamz]

Barack(Barry) "The False", and Glenn "The False". In the end, both serving the same masters.

Bad joo joo, the both of them.

I agree with our Fred --

And I want to add that we should strive to rise above politics - its just to fool and divide people, the overall agenda remains the same

Much love

[Lifebringer]

Are you the dreamer? If so, I respect your interpretation, but dreams should be left to professionals in the interpretation, and just like the bible, one must pray for understanding to receive the word of God, because there are far too many pieces of the his-story of Mankind, missing. On purpose for control, I'm finding. It's like all the progress of Christ to bring the religious folk together, and their commonality of truth by Him, was scattered to the winds or in some cave in the mountains for protections, tucked away from prying eyes at the Vatican. I thank God for the internet's access to pieces of the puzzle long hidden from humans about their origins, beliefs, and hidden his/herstory. i believe that is why they call this time Revelations, because when John wrote this over two thousand years ago, it was for this time. The alpha and omega, ending and beginning, so have hope for another day, and hold tight to the faith in the creator, that if you try to do right things and show love in life, you too will get another chance at it. Those ending lives for profit, shall reap what they have sown all their lives and like Sadaam, there won't be a cave, hole, or DUMB to hide in, just as it says in the book.

I trust that those who wrote that so many years ago, were divinely inspired. I thank you for the messages in your dream, but the intent and motive or "your interpretation" leave me a little puzzled at how you arrived at such conclusions. I've seen the gleem in people's eyes when they passionately express their "dislike" for the Mooslim/Marxist/you get the idea, but it's hard to interpret your intention as you tell this to us. You see, we were told a long time ago, the eyes are the mirror into the soul. We can't see your eye(s) through your interpretation of the dream you are talking about. Maybe it's my spiritual immaturity, or yours? WE aren't all on the same page, however, i believe we all must tell the story as it occurs truthfully, "as we actually see it" as that is how the ancient accounts were presented until the word was scattered and revised over and over with people who just wanted the control of the 10% tithing in religions, just like the ptw wanted % of all our/your lives where you spend money. A constant stream in their utility, marketing, financial coffers, as our as wrestled out with every election process, except the 2008 elections, where the people took it to the man and said, WE give this guy right here the power to set things right for the people again, after 30 years of Republican wars, corruptions, and scams of outsourcing jobs on the Chamber of Commerce supposed to be working for the voters/citizens of this country. The octopu of oppression by ptw was a strangle hold and they kept the people busy with reality tv and video games, so they wouldn't see the pieces falling into place until 911 happened and shocked Americans out of the bs programming of just go shopping, into inspector gadgets they are today.

WE must not give up hope that all the people awakening to this opportunity to have a President that listens to the people and will do what they say, WE must not blow it. We have 4 more years to get the clean energy on line, and stop killing the planet in fossil burning for transportion and heating or cooling. Fossile fuel is used enough in everyday products to keep these companies soluable, but they must change with the atmosphere, and promote cleaner energy for the PUBLIC's use, or WE will seek those who will bring the clean energy grid and efficiency to US. WE have the entrepeneurs and all it takes is a community investment, when you have genius like that in your midst.

I pray that I didn't dishearten you or discourage you, but I'm trying to shed the negativity and focus on what I can change as every person has their own function in the end days. I understand the people were told to do nothing and allow the Lord Yeshua to have his way, as the hearts are cold and evil, that dream and salivate on the death of innocents profits in the markets. Phychopathic to murder so many, for a bigger profit in the Oil market.

[jagman]

I watched the video, V e r y interesting But IMO Glen has a few things wrong about Barrack. His father is Frank Marshall Davis the Communist spy.
If you have not seen Dreams From My Real Father by Joel Gilbert I highly recommend you give it a look see.

[polly1022]

Personally, I think he is a clone. Scroll all the way down to the pic of the enire obama family next to the Akhenantan family. Blow this up to your wallpaper to see the detail LOL Freaky !

http://freemantv.com/obama-clone-of-an-egyptian-pharaoh/

[161803398]

I think his mother had an affair with Malcolm X. Maybe there are things he is not saying about himself because they don't fit into everyone's idea of the "American Dream". But, the "American Dream" is not working out very well. The Neocon's or Straussians are trying to destroy it themselves. So is this the pot calling the kettle (for lack of a better word) black?

I'm not an Obama fan because I don't like this drone business or the NDAA. But we do know he doesn't like Netan"yahoo", which, to me, is a good thing. He doesn't like colonialism...that's a good thing too. On the other hand, I don't like the lie he told about killing Osama, but he almost seemed to doubt it himself. I dislike America's support of the Muslim Brotherhood. I am not sure where I am going with this because it's confusing and hard to follow the line of his thinking.

If he had ever said a word about what he thinks of Ron Paul, I might have a clearer picture but he never did.

[Mu2143]

Are you the dreamer? If so, I respect your interpretation, but dreams should be left to professionals in the interpretation, and just like the bible, one must pray for understanding to receive the word of God, because there are far too many pieces of the his-story of Mankind, missing. On purpose for control, I'm finding. It's like all the progress of Christ to bring the religious folk together, and their commonality of truth by Him, was scattered to the winds or in some cave in the mountains for protections, tucked away from prying eyes at the Vatican. I thank God for the internet's access to pieces of the puzzle long hidden from humans about their origins, beliefs, and hidden his/herstory. i believe that is why they call this time Revelations, because when John wrote this over two thousand years ago, it was for this time. The alpha and omega, ending and beginning, so have hope for another day, and hold tight to the faith in the creator, that if you try to do right things and show love in life, you too will get another chance at it. Those ending lives for profit, shall reap what they have sown all their lives and like Sadaam, there won't be a cave, hole, or DUMB to hide in, just as it says in the book.

I trust that those who wrote that so many years ago, were divinely inspired. I thank you for the messages in your dream, but the intent and motive or "your interpretation" leave me a little puzzled at how you arrived at such conclusions. I've seen the gleem in people's eyes when they passionately express their "dislike" for the Mooslim/Marxist/you get the idea, but it's hard to interpret your intention as you tell this to us. You see, we were told a long time ago, the eyes are the mirror into the soul. We can't see your eye(s) through your interpretation of the dream you are talking about. Maybe it's my spiritual immaturity, or yours? WE aren't all on the same page, however, i believe we all must tell the story as it occurs truthfully, "as we actually see it" as that is how the ancient accounts were presented until the word was scattered and revised over and over with people who just wanted the control of the 10% tithing in religions, just like the ptw wanted % of all our/your lives where you spend money. A constant stream in their utility, marketing, financial coffers, as our as wrestled out with every election process, except the 2008 elections, where the people took it to the man and said, WE give this guy right here the power to set things right for the people again, after 30 years of Republican wars, corruptions, and scams of outsourcing jobs on the Chamber of Commerce supposed to be working for the voters/citizens of this country. The octopu of oppression by ptw was a strangle hold and they kept the people busy with reality tv and video games, so they wouldn't see the pieces falling into place until 911 happened and shocked Americans out of the bs programming of just go shopping, into inspector gadgets they are today.

WE must not give up hope that all the people awakening to this opportunity to have a President that listens to the people and will do what they say, WE must not blow it. We have 4 more years to get the clean energy on line, and stop killing the planet in fossil burning for transportion and heating or cooling. Fossile fuel is used enough in everyday products to keep these companies soluable, but they must change with the atmosphere, and promote cleaner energy for the PUBLIC's use, or WE will seek those who will bring the clean energy grid and efficiency to US. WE have the entrepeneurs and all it takes is a community investment, when you have genius like that in your midst.

I pray that I didn't dishearten you or discourage you, but I'm trying to shed the negativity and focus on what I can change as every person has their own function in the end days. I understand the people were told to do nothing and allow the Lord Yeshua to have his way, as the hearts are cold and evil, that dream and salivate on the death of innocents profits in the markets. Phychopathic to murder so many, for a bigger profit in the Oil market.

CALL TO ACTION - Let's reach 10 Million individuals who are willing to change the course of history.

http://ascension101.com/en/home/ascension-blog/66-september-2012/271-call-to-action-lets-reach-10-million-individuals-who-are-willing-to-change-the-course-of-history.html

[Mu2143]

Bite and Devour...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WxBNR56DQ&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WxBNR56DQ&feature=plcp

[Nickolai]

Excuse me, guys!

Can you please explain me what is the point of the discussion?
Is it just for the sake of it?
That's your president, like it or not.. If the true story of his life had a meaning that would be a different story. Obama is the president of the states.
Do all you can to prevent him from the second election and do not waste your time on discovering of his true origin..
If we talk about the distructions then it's definitely the one...) DO you think Obama cares? Clinton cares?

I wish you good president!

Nickolai

[gooty64]

If we keep on going after the figurehead/presidents we are utterly missing the point and are just caught up in the matrix/system and really have no reason to live.

Think about it!

No matter who the next figurehead/pres is, it doesn't really even matter. Do you really believe it does?

I hope there is no election and the civilization implodes or wakes up or ascends or revolution or something...

Please God not another American president, just get it OVER with!

[Cidersomerset]

Douglas MacGregor explains how the west has been brainwashed by administrations
and media that eveyone is out to get us !!! Even if it does not equate with reality....


0XepW-OXSF0

Published on 11 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica


Since President Obama took office, he has changed the face of how America fights wars abroad. Obama's administration has hit targets with unmanned aerial vehicles in countries like Yemen,Pakistan and Afghanistan, sometimes killing innocent women and children. Until recently, Obama was silent about his role in these drone attacks, but Obama revealed his involvement in an interview with CNN. Douglas MacGregor, a retired US Army colonel, joins us with more on Obama's involvement in the use of drones and gives us his take on the legality of it all.

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Robbo Cop is getting closer!!


yNcTXGO7cMo

Published on 11 Sep 2012 by RTAmerica


A new four legged robot called Alpha-dog has been tested by Boston Dynamics for Pentagon. It could give U.S. troops a leg up in terrain too rough even for military vehicles. It also capable to carry all the gear soldiers and Marines might need in combat, but as RT's Meghan Lopez explains the device is not perfect.

[truth4me]

and some people really believe Obama is a lightworker....sure,yep.......

[Wookie]

and some people really believe Obama is a lightworker....sure,yep.......
HE IS A LIGHT WORKER!!! he runs a three man circus with a smoke worker and a mirror worker.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Paranormal]

This is just the tip of the ice-berg! They actually have terminator level androids, that will be unleashed during WW3 or some similar event.

[ghostrider]

Murder is all they know, power is their only objective the rest is just in their way.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well no need to repent, there is no Hell, we are light beings that go back to where we came from...

books are written by those who have guessed, and have been taught by others, not by those who have seen what is waiting...

Jesus didn't write the Bible and Mohammad didn't write the Koran...

religions have been designed by those who aren't the messengers...

that's where all the confusion comes from...

10 years I've been sharing truths, and no lightning strikes...

[Mu2143]

Repent means going back to the way of the spirit which is unconditional love.
Your in a body which allow you to experience what ??
Duality and how is that duality created if your a light being ?
By having a (serpent)demon inside of the physical body which is pointing to the " All seeing eye" that is how Satan can see everything except what GODS plan is.
Hu-Man means serpent man or (Superman)

For does who don't understand how it works

There is a demon inside of every human body ,you have the possibility to choose which side your going to serve in this end time because of this.
Your ether fill your cup with unconditional love or your don't

That is what it come down to and GOD is not going to force you to make this choice.

So the dark side of the Matrix is controlled by Satan ,like a hive mind (Mind control) and we as a light being experiencing this computer like world.

This is how we have set up this spiritual school and we have practice many time that is why we have destroyed our self multiple times.

Yeshua HaMashiach came down here bring in the solution for us what we need to do in order to graduate on this spiritual school with out him we did not have anything to go to.

There where 24 witnesses down here in to history who all had the 9th spiritual body of the eternal one. No body else had this except for the 24.

Yeshua HaMashiach when he incarnated he had all 9 spiritual bodies of the eternal one and he got his 10th and 11th spiritual body
when he was here on earth and then got resurrected.

Everyone can progress to that level now!

The body of Christ is the 12th spiritual body(Gold) and eternal live of who you want to be.

people who talked about the 12 density is Alex Collier and jessica mystic who alse explained that 11th is white and 12th is Gold for this spiritual school.

Bob Dean also has talked about this that the earth is a spiritual school.

You know all then answer are there ,but do people really see it and live it?

[Mu2143]

O BTW it does not matter how you walk you spiritual pad
you can chose what ever roll you want to play with or without a Bible and does not matter.

During my walk or spirtual pad I met other saints and one of them was a Moslim ,but I could see that he had a heart of a child.

[GlassSteagallfan]

LaRouche: Impeach Obama for Criminal Complicity in Murder of U.S. Ambassador

September 15, 2012 • 7:56PM

Lyndon LaRouche today demanded that Congress remain in session to immediately convene impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives against President Barack Obama for his criminal complicity in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in which Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. officials were killed.

"President Obama was complicit before the fact in the events that lead to the killing of four valuable American diplomats. There is sufficient evidence to warrant immediate impeachment proceedings," LaRouche declared this afternoon. "U.S. officials were repeatedly warned, in the weeks proceeding the 911 Benghazi attacks, that there was a breakdown of security in the city. The State Department issued a travel alert to all Americans, urging them to stay out of Libya. All of the evidence was there to impose strict security measures. Yet, nothing was done. That failure is on the President's plate."

LaRouche spelled out three levels of Obama complicity in the killing of Ambassador Stevens and the other officials.

First, from the first months of his presidency, Obama has joined in the George W. Bush/Dick Cheney coverup of the direct role of the Saudi Monarchy in the original Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Obama met with the 911 families in the White House in February 2009 and was explicitly asked to declassify the 28-page chapter from the Joint Congressional 911 inquiry that detailed the role of then-Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin-Sultan, in the financing of the 911 hijackers. Obama not only refused to release the document. He ordered the Solicitor General of the United States to intervene into a Federal law suit on the Saudi Monarchy's complicity in 911 to secure sovereign immunity for the Kingdom, thus deepening the coverup.

The classified chapter from the Joint Congressional report, if released to the public, would not only show the Bandar complicity in the financing of the 911 attacks. It would expose the larger issue of the British-Saudi hand behind the global Jihadi terror apparatus, via the Al Yamamah offshore slush-fund, established in 1985 by Bandar and then-British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. The Al Yamamah oil-for-weapons barter deal created a massive offshore secret fund, used to promote terrorist insurgencies, coups and assassinations over the past three decades. During the period that he was providing cash to the 911 hijackers via two Saudi intelligence officiers, Prince Bandar received at least $2 billion from the Al Yamamah funds, that went into the Saudi embassy accounts at Riggs National Bank and HSBC.

President Obama is guilty of covering up the crimes of the original 911 attack, thus facilitating the 2012 911 attack, which resulted in the four deaths in Benghazi this past week.

Second, President Obama's unconstitutional war in Libya during 2011, ending with the assassination of Muammar Qaddafi, unleashed a wave of Anglo-Saudi sponsored neo-Salafi terrorism that has spread from Libya to other parts of Africa and into Syria.

President Obama's refusal to go to Congress for authorization to go to war in Libya was an impeachable crime in itself. Under Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, only the Congress has the authority to bring the country to war--unless the U.S. has been attacked or is facing imminent attack. President Obama's actions in Libya constituted "high crimes and misdemeanors" under Article II, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

Third, President Obama showed reckless disregard for the lives of American personnel in Libya by failing to take action to properly secure U.S. personnel and facilities, in the face of repeated warnings of grave security threats, specifically in the Benghazi region.

There is already compelling evidence that the attack on the U.S. consulate on Sept. 11, 2012, which resulted in the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and the three others, was carried out by an offshoot of Al Qaeda, Ansar al-Sharia. The leader of the group, Sufyan bin-Qumu, was actually arrested by Pakistani police soon after the original Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and the Pentagon because of his affiliations with Al Qaeda. Bin-Qumu was detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba from 2002 until Sept. 2007, when he was returned to Libya and eventually released from prison. Libyan officials have been warning U.S. counterparts for months that the Benghazi area was a hotbed of Jihadi violence, to the point that local security agencies were heavily penetrated and public safety was disintegrating. According to one senior U.S. intelligence source, Ansar al-Sharia had directly penetrated the Benghazi regional public safety committee, and had full access to information on U.S. personnel and facilities, including a U.S. safehouse which was also attacked on Sept. 11, 2012.

Despite all of these warnings, there were no U.S. Marines dispatched to secure the Benghazi consulate until after the attacks and killings.
Lyndon LaRouche concluded: "Just because the U.S. media has decided to give President Obama a free hand to continue with his unconstitutional and murderous activities does not mean that the U.S. Congress can also let him off the hook. Between his extra-judicial drone assassination program throughout the Muslim world, his coverup of the Anglo-Saudi hand behind both the 2001 and 2012 911 attacks, and his callous disregard for the lives of American diplomats, every American citizen is in danger every day that President Obama remains in office.

"The events of Sept. 11, 2012 cannot be swept under the rug. Crimes have been committed, American diplomats have been killed, and the President must be held fully accountable for his miserable failure to execute his Constitutional responsibilities. The only proper venue is an immediate impeachment proceeding in the U.S. House of Representatives."

http://larouchepac.com/node/23924

Updates:

Libyan President: 'Foreigners' Responsible For Embassy Attack
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/15/Libyan-President-Foreigners-Carried-Out-Murder


Hillary Ignored Warnings
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/13/Obama-Hillary-ignored-warnings-Libyan-embassy

[ghostrider]

The embassy had four quards with no ammo in their weapons, they were sitting ducks in a country of hungry wolves. Who ordered no ammo in the weapons ?? There's the one responsible.

[doodah]

GlassSteagallfan, what do you make of this?

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/media/mainstream_media/news.php?q=1347731526


BACK FLIPPING RETARD STUPID PROPAGANDA FAIL - THERE IS NO U.S. EMBASSY, CONSULATE, OR ANY U.S. REPRESENTATION OF ANY SORT IN BENGHAZI LIBYA. EMBASSY KILLINGS NEVER HAPPENED.

Here is the link to the Department of State web site, with a complete list of All U.S. embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions world wide. http://www.usembassy.gov/ There is one in Libya, obviously in Tripoli. And I will state right now that I have that Embassy page saved and captured, in case someone decides to bury this by faking Benghazi in for a while.

To further bolster this fact, Here is Google Maps of Benghazi Libya. Delete Benghazi Libya from the search window, and type the word EMBASSY or CONSULATE there. Because one does not exist in Benghazi, it will throw you to an alternative location near you. Here is the Wikipedia list, no doubt soon to be faked, it will happen fast here. Wont last long and if any fakes get thrown in, well, there are TONS of lists out there, and I will just snag another. They can't bury this lie.

No wonder the Libyans are pissed! Is ANY of this real? [...]

[Rocky_Shorz]

it's funny, I had just pulled up your other thread of his Contacts in Europe that wanted him out, seems funding for the movie that sparked this were LaRouche's friends...

all sorts of good dirt is coming out now on Tea Party backers tied to this...

of Course Iran is jumping in to stir things up, the Sunni control the whole region and they are losing...

so this is going to backfire on Iran too...

everybody needs to lean back and understand the manipulation going on through this whole situation...

Christians, Muslims and Jews have nothing to do with this, just a bunch of scared old bigots called Neocons...

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FVdzAg1SnVE

[ThePythonicCow]

GlassSteagallfan, what do you make of this?

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/media/mainstream_media/news.php?q=1347731526


BACK FLIPPING RETARD STUPID PROPAGANDA FAIL - THERE IS NO U.S. EMBASSY, CONSULATE, OR ANY U.S. REPRESENTATION OF ANY SORT IN BENGHAZI LIBYA. EMBASSY KILLINGS NEVER HAPPENED.


I believe that there is a consulate at Benghazi that is an "interim facility", without a website to list on the http://www.usembassy.gov/ webpage.

See also my earlier posts saying much the same thing, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49706-US-Ambassador-to-Libya-killed&p=553741&viewfull=1#post553741) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49832-Armada-massing-as-Israel-prepares-Iran-strike-...&p=554026&viewfull=1#post554026)

I further believe that the absence of a Benghazi website to list on the http://www.usembassy.gov/ webpage resulted in various "alternative" websites getting excited over a mistaken conclusion.

[Sirius White]

I knew it was us, because I remember this ambassador speaking out against Lybia/Egypt before, blaming Americans for most of it. Saw PR spokespeople come out and almost admonish him for it. This was almost a year ago or more.

Now he's silenced. And they got more probable cause for war as well. Ah...the world we live in. We got bigger problems headed our way though...

[sigma6]

Negligent maybe, but how does that compare to Bush and 911? And what has anyone done about that?
people are just pulling their heads out of their arses only now as we speak...
police cannot police the police and the government cannot govern itself...
as a fox cannot guard a henhouse
scumbaggery all!
haiku

[Rocky_Shorz]

News Flash!!!

US flag manufacturer was having slow sales...

Middle east orders have boomed in the last few weeks, more than paying for the movie investment... j/k

[GlassSteagallfan]

it's funny, I had just pulled up your other thread of his Contacts in Europe that wanted him out, seems funding for the movie that sparked this were LaRouche's friends...

Could you post any links so that I can have a look - not sure I understand what you are saying here
Thanx

[sigma6]

Bush Nazi's were in on it... according to Fulford...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48487-Benjamin-Fulford-s-Latest-Adventures&p=554939#post554939

[Rocky_Shorz]

it's funny, I had just pulled up your other thread of his Contacts in Europe that wanted him out, seems funding for the movie that sparked this were LaRouche's friends...

Could you post any links so that I can have a look - not sure I understand what you are saying here
Thanx

it is a long story, but the beginning of the Glass Steagall... one you are most likely quite knowledgeable of...


The Business Plot (also known as the Plot against FDR and the White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933. Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler warned that wealthy businessmen and bankers were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler as leader of that organization.

In 1934, Butler testified to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Congressional committee (the "McCormack-Dickstein Committee") on these claims. In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible, but no one was ever prosecuted.

And, in what can only be described as history making a full circle, the JP Morgan banking empire that financed the attempted coup against Roosevelt in 1933 appears to be behind the US Military plan to oust Obama too... link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1598.htm)

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/otb1.png

now that story brought me to the main one...


Part 1 explained why the British, and their Wall Street allies, the Morgans, hated President Franklin D. Roosevelt and how FDR battled to reduce their influence and power. Part 2 continued the story of FDR's fight and laid out Morgan's counterattack, featuring a 1934 plan for a fascist coup against the FDR White House, which the Morgans hoped would be led by the Marine hero, Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler. Part 3 began the story of explosive congressional hearings in which Butler exposed the Morgan plot...


However, the attention of most of the press focused on the first paragraph of the summary statement: ``This committee has had no evidence before it that would in the slightest degree warrant calling before it such men as John W. Davis, General Hugh Johnson, General James G. Harbord, Thomas W. Lamont, Admiral William S. Sims or Hanford MacNider. The committee will not take cognizance of names brought into testimony which constitutes mere hearsay. This committee is not concerned about premature newspaper accounts, when given and published prior to the taking of testimony.''

Whatever was being done by the committee was being worked out directly with the White House, and most likely with Roosevelt himself. That was the reason for the hinting about the calling of big names, and then the apparent pullback from that posture. From the point that Butler had stepped forward and likely even before that, the White House knew that it had caught its enemies in the act of treason. From the point of its public revelation, prior to the committee hearing, by the reporter French, and then in the hearing itself, the attempted fascist coup was a dead letter: It could no longer happen as planned, under any circumstances.

The Morgan interests and their allies were named by Butler, and now their names appeared in the first paragraph of the committee's summary. There had been 16 people named by Butler, ...


The story would have probably stayed buried, had it not been for a discovery made by the journalist John L. Spivak, who wrote for the Communist-linked magazine New Masses. He had been tipped by a source in Washington that the committee's report had been ``sanitized,'' that sections of General Butler's testimony had been deleted, especially the parts where he named some of the Wall Street conspirators, other than Clark, Murphy, and MacGuire, and including the references to Morgan partner Thomas Lamont and John W. Davis, the Morgan lawyer, as well General Butler's statements about the American Liberty League.
Spivak went to check out the story, and to see McCormack and Dickstein. With their approval he was told that he should look through some committee records. At this point, according to the journalist, he was ``inadvertently'' handed the unexpurgated transcript of the Butler hearings by a file clerk of the committee. He furiously copied down sections of the texts showing the deletions and then took what he found to Butler.

The general exploded, as only Smedley Butler could explode. He took to the radio in a campaign denouncing the committee for bowing to the power of Wall Street and for censoring his remarks. Meanwhile, Spivak published an exposé of the ``coverup'' in New Masses, charging a wide-ranging conspiracy to bury the true origins of the plot and political deals to protect those who would commit treason. Dickstein defended the committee's action, stating that what had been deleted had only been ``hearsay,'' but in so doing repeated the substance of General Butler's charges against the Morgan operatives and Al Smith.

It is hardly likely that a clerk would have handed the ``secret'' text of the committee proceedings to a person known to be a leftist rabble-rouser: Dickstein had deliberately ``leaked'' them, to keep the information before the public.

The furor about the ``censorship'' kept the news of the ``Wall Street plot'' circulating through veteran, labor union, and leftist circles, which in the 1930s, comprised a good portion of the electorate. It kept circulating in these layers as a minor backdrop to the 1936 election campaign, without the benefit of major media coverage.

Spivak and author George Seldes charged elements in the administration with preventing a further investigation and sabotaging indictments of the named conspirators. Butler had originally brought the information about the plot to the Secret Service, which is under the control of the Treasury Department. In early 1934, an ailing William Woodin had been replaced by covert British operative Henry Morgenthau, whose function in this period was to prevent Roosevelt from moving for a more comprehensive banking reorganization. Morgenthau killed any investigation of Butler's information, but some agents apparently informed the McCormack-Dickstein committee of the charges of the plot.

FBI Director, Edgar Hoover was also informed, and refused to investigate...


With the publication of the committee report, Roosevelt had been given an opportunity to achieve a strategic victory against the British-dominated cabal that was the historic enemy of the American republic. But, Roosevelt sought no strategic victory, only a tactical advantage against his adversaries. There would be no cleaning house over the fascist plot, and he backed off from the threat of a major reform of the banking system outside the bounds acceptable to London. He sought not to defeat the power that the British-controlled Morgan represented as an enemy, but merely to tame it towards his end. His was a factional battle within the patrician camp, not some battle with evil, as it more properly had to be understood...

full story link (http://american_almanac.tripod.com/morgan2.htm)


it is well worth the read for those who have never heard the story...


the Tea Party was hijacked by Whitehead and Koch...

puppets put in place for GOP and guided on decisions to bring US to a standstill...


now, they are losing power, so now they are attempting to start WW III to keep the Fed from being dissolved...

not just the middle east, but Japan and China are getting ready for a smackdown over a rock...


the good news is, we have been watching, the Brits Elites are demanding more privacy, but cats out of the bag, names are known...


what a foopaa by Romney today, Palin could have hardly done better...

Republicans don't want to lead now, they are afraid of their own party now that it is majority Tea Party under foreign directions...

the deeper you dig, the more amazing this is all really happening...

a bunch of crusty old bankers against the world...

we can take em!!!

[GlassSteagallfan]

He is another point of view:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TdMBbS02k&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TdMBbS02k&feature=player_embedded

[Arrowwind]

http://signon.org/sign/michelle-obama-tell-presiden?source=mo&id=52187-23581904-KoTod2x

[Fred Steeves]

http://signon.org/sign/michelle-obama-tell-presiden?source=mo&id=52187-23581904-KoTod2x


Michelle Obama is a champion of better nutrition in school lunches and of ending
childhood obesity. Which makes it all the more disappointing that her husband,
President Obama, has failed to keep his campaign promise to support GMO
labeling.

Sorry Arrowwind, all our dear Michelle in concerned with is ensuring more and more control for the people who control her husband. They are both pathological liars, and view us "little people" with disdain.

They will never see this petition, nor do they care.

[WhiteFeather]

I agree Fred. The Many Layers above our puppet president won't vote on this. Simply Because They have too much interests in Monsanto. They dont want to spoil a good thing in keeping people sick and asleep.

[truth4me]

I agree with Fred and WhiteFeather on this topic.I wished everything was on the up and up but it's not. President's are put into power and those who go off course or cause problems get took out. JFK caused problems so he was took out. When you awaken to the reality of this system you realize ,or at least I did, in your heart that elections truly are rigged.

I've said this before on the forum and say it again----I believe Obama/Biden could very well be a clones as their wives could be and even their kids. So if both sides are "owned" by TPTB then Mitt Romney and his crew including his running mate Ryan could be clones. Seems far fecthed? Well, if Aliens are truly behind world governments then you have non human entities running the show already....


Sorry about going off topic but Obama and the whole circus just sickens me....

[Arrowwind]

http://signon.org/sign/michelle-obama-tell-presiden?source=mo&id=52187-23581904-KoTod2x


Michelle Obama is a champion of better nutrition in school lunches and of ending
childhood obesity. Which makes it all the more disappointing that her husband,
President Obama, has failed to keep his campaign promise to support GMO
labeling.

Sorry Arrowwind, all our dear Michelle in concerned with is ensuring more and more control for the people who control her husband. They are both pathological liars, and view us "little people" with disdain.

They will never see this petition, nor do they care.


Yes, Fred, you are pojecting a sorry situation.
Dont even try.
let appathetic attitudes rule
just give up.

We are already done in.

What every happened to be the change you want to see.
To project a life worth living.
to create a new destiny though our collective dream.

Regardless that Michelle has promoted organics right on the white house lawn.

Some people just lay down and willingly die without any kind of struggle
and are destined to leave a world not worth living in for the next generation,
not even a world with a spirit of hope.

[Arrowwind]

----I believe Obama/Biden could very well be a clones as their wives could be and even their kids. So if both sides are "owned" by TPTB then Mitt Romney and his crew including his running mate Ryan could be clones. Seems far fecthed? Well, if Aliens are truly behind world governments then you have non human entities running the show already....


Sorry about going off topic but Obama and the whole circus just sickens me....

Oh well. Just forget ever trying to improve anything.
Forget all social attempts to grow and maintain freedom.
Just give up... after all they are all clones..
and we the freedom loving people are mere nothing
powerless to defend and to sustain freedom


Pretty soon the military is goning to come and take you away anyway
and your children will be dead
and you wont have to deal with life on this planet anymore.

sheesh..

[Fred Steeves]

Some people just lay down and willingly die without any kind of struggle
and are destined to leave a world not worth living in for the next generation,
not even a world with a spirit of hope.

I know this hurts and is important to you Arrowwind. It is to me also dear lady, I can assure you. http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif If you were to run just the above sentence past anyone who even half way knows me, you would see an immediate first hand demonstration of Rolling On Floor Laughing. I'm hardly the pushover type.

As Barack would say, and does often: "Let me be clear". Our true nature, which is infinite possibility, is once again presenting itself right before us for the taking. It's low hanging fruit. However, as soon as we look to anyone/anywhere besides ourselves to "make things better", we're heading right back down Misery Road.

Cheers,
Fred

[Arrowwind]

[, as soon as we look to anyone/anywhere besides ourselves to "make things better", we're heading right back down Misery Road.

Cheers,
Fred

So you think your in this creation all alone?

[Mark]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens if we make it into the next 4 Obama years. If Mitt doesn't make it into office.

When Presidents make it to their 2nd term, they no longer have to worry about politicking as much because they're not trying to rebuild their campaign coffers and run for office again. They usually work toward their legacy then.

Obama will probably take on the Republicans and stand up a lot firmer than he has in this term. Potentially many of the allies he had in this term will be enemies, like the Corporations, who are donating big-time to Mitt right now. The Oil Companies were never with him.

In the context of a changing environment and economic situation, GMO foods is one topic that many see the repercussions of as being far down the road.

The economy might crash soon, or some catastrophic earth-change might happen that puts 3rd generation sterility, increased chances of cancer and other negative externalities potentially caused by GMOs on the backburner.

It would suit Michelle to take on this challenge though, if the Obamas are not directly beholden to Monsanto.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh well. Just forget ever trying to improve anything.
There is a difference between surrendering to hopelessness, and realizing that a particular plan won't work, or even that no plan that comes to mind at the moment will work.

The slave master knows, every night of fitful sleep, that no matter how long the slaves seem to remain passive, apparently accepting their fate, there is always the risk that one of them, one day, will see an opportunity to throw off the chains of himself and his brethren, put aside the master, and rise up.

[Mark]

Wow, great point, Paul.

Which includes, of course, even puppets at the highest and most ethically compromised level.

[Arrowwind]

Petitions put in front of the masses a statement of concern.
Petitions have changed many things in our reality.
Even if the petition in and of itself fails to bring about the change of immediate concern
in immediate time,
more people awaken to the issue and realize that they must make a stand.
Every time one refuses to move forward an action with the belief
that it will not work, you put a blockage in the path of the action
hence creating what your limited blief expounds.
you have contributed to creating a limited reality

you have now wasted more time justifying why it wont work
instead of moving it forward to a potential new reality.

Really it would have taken 2 seconds.. and now here we are
justifying why things wont work
and in so doing making them fail

[Fred Steeves]

you have now wasted more time justifying why it wont work
instead of moving it forward to a potential new reality.

Really it would have taken 2 seconds.. and now here we are
justifying why things wont work
and in so doing making them fail



Sorry, my bad.http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Arrowwind]

Sorry, my bad.http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

But still redeemable.;)

[DeBron]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

[Arrowwind]

The White House Garden - that Michelle Obama brought about... She knows the difference and although the garden is not perfectly organic she is promoting fresh veggies and direct contact with the land, local economy and family cohesion by promoting family meals. Apparently the garden has had some problems with lead in the soil due to chemical fertilizers used in the past, but still did not go beyond the EPA's safety level. Healing the soil is a long term process that can be acompolished with persistence and time, and a challege that many Americans, including the First Lady is facing. The single most important factor to this garden is the role modeling for Americans to get out there and do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxv6tv0L8AQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpEr3kfWjc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpEr3kfWjc)

[ThePythonicCow]

I believe that there is a consulate at Benghazi that is an "interim facility", without a website to list on the http://www.usembassy.gov/ webpage.

See also my earlier posts saying much the same thing, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49706-US-Ambassador-to-Libya-killed&p=553741&viewfull=1#post553741) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49832-Armada-massing-as-Israel-prepares-Iran-strike-...&p=554026&viewfull=1#post554026)

What's quite possible, however, is that there are bigger lies going on here than just whether or not there was any "interim consulate" in Benghazi.

See BACK FLIPPING RETARD STUPID PROPAGANDA FAIL - THERE IS NO U.S. EMBASSY, CONSULATE, OR ANY U.S. REPRESENTATION OF ANY SORT IN BENGHAZI LIBYA. EMBASSY KILLINGS NEVER HAPPENED (Jim Stone) (www.jimstonefreelance.com/benghazi.html) for a darker twist to this story.

[Mu2143]

I found this, but I know that Obama is a clone and also is known as the rise of the second beast!


Federal Reserve Economic Database
Personally I know that Obama is not The anti Christ but only an anti Christ for there are many.



PDF file:
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/pdfs/cisco_federal_healthcare.pdf
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Federal news
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=72

The smart meter is tied into the RFID chip, if you don't buy the healthcare insurance they just shut off your meter. FRED meansPeace Ruler=Anti Christ.

Dream Revelation Of Mr. Obama
Chip from channel harpazonation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDCkZlFNCDg&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDCkZlFNCDg&feature=plcp


Smart meter or no power at all? Nevada energy sends armed men to disconnect power – just for opting out
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/smart-meter-or-no-power-at-all-620x250.png
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/09/21/smart-meter-no-power-all-nevada-energy-sends-armed-men-disconnect-power-just-opting-out/

[truth4me]

Now is Obama a clone? I tend to believe he and a whole lot of congress could be plus their families. These people start wars and seemed not to have any regrets about killing innocent people....

[Mu2143]

Now is Obama a clone? I tend to believe he and a whole lot of congress could be plus their families. These people start wars and seemed not to have any regrets about killing innocent people....

Rise of the Second Beast in Babylon the Great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPtrPLIAXes&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPtrPLIAXes&feature=plcp

Obama Cloned of Egyptian Pharaoh (freeman perspective obama cloning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdfT3gKrD8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdfT3gKrD8

[conk]

The controllers do occasionally pause when confronted with opposition. We've all seen it happen. Sign the petition.

[truth4me]

For anybody thinking Obama is a lightworker they need to listen to Kissinger in this 1:00 video. Obama's job or whom ever is "appointed" President of the United States is to continue the push for the N.W.O.

WO0cYshoMyY

[spiritguide]

NWO, a great opportunity in a crisis. In your face fortelling of the game plan. IMHO

[Flash]

Isn't it straigthforward enough... a great opportunity in a crisis for NWO. Anything to provoke war will be used. This is what he says if we extrapolate.

[jjjones]

disgusting and he boldly puts the "plan" out there unhesitantly! we the people need to not only open our eyes and ears, but our minds! poor us if we don't get a move on soon. namaste, peace and love universally :)

[East Sun]

Bush Sr. said that "they" were going to establish a New World Order and added, "when we are successful, and we will be..." so assured of it happening that keep thinking about what some spiritual people said about the spoken word. It seems that they have to hide it right in front of our eyes and say it. But most people let it go over their head it seems. Or they don't know what to do with those statements. It might be a good idea to ask Kissinger to explain exactly what this NWO would consist of and what their goal would be. I don't like the idea of a world anything except peace.
One gov. or group controlling the world. Well, Hitler wanted that, and so does the Vatican.
Maybe, this NWO would, or is, a continuation of what was tried before.
It seems we are being kept in the dark in a big way until suddenly ka-boom when it's too late.
How do we get to learn what is in the works so that if we don't like it we can at least know and maybe do something about it.

[kemo]

Is that the Kissinger, the mass murderer who ordered the bombing of Cambodia, the Bilderberger who is part of the NWO, if there is one?
Who'd believe a word he says and anyway isn't he supposed to be a clone? Never trust a clone I says.

[DeBron]

I was just thinking, isn't this all this ascension talk and 12/21/12 talk another way of say new world order? I guess ascension doesn't imply a control group but the premise is the same; A big change is coming one way or the other. Either way I will continue to smile and be the joy I wish to see in the world.

[Camilo]

That old fart looks and sounds like a clone.

[gooty64]

Someone call Viking.:love:

[Wind]

That old fart looks and sounds like a clone.

More like an ass-clown.

[Arrowwind]

The controllers do occasionally pause when confronted with opposition. We've all seen it happen. Sign the petition.

Thank you Conk.

Our opposition must be relentless and from all directions.

How can one possibly think that we can pick and choose our attacks
as we stand against one of the greatest monsters set upon us?
especially when an attack only takes a few seconds
per person to accomplish.

All approaches should be advanced as long as they maintain an ethical standard,
lest we become to much like that which we resist.

[Maia Gabrial]

Why is this Nazi still running around free?

[Arrowwind]

Kissinger has ALWAYS spoken the truth of our reality... just people dont really understand the implications of what he says. He's always been unabashedly unafraid to call out the agenda for all to hear.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Why is this Nazi still running around free?

cause no one has taken the time out to shoot him.

and he's not a Nazi, he's a Zionist. .... which I think are reincarnated Nazi

[East Sun]

"Why is this Nazi still running around free? "

Because of agreements made a long time ago...

[Eram]

Kissinger has ALWAYS spoken the truth of our reality... just people dont really understand the implications of what he says. He's always been unabashedly unafraid to call out the agenda for all to hear.


I agree.
I have been amazed many times why people didn't jump the streets and start rioting after the things that Kissinger has said in interviews or speeches on TV.
If you want to know what the agenda is, just listen to him and you'll get to know the headlines.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Interview with Jeff Steinberg: Background on Benghazi - the death of the ambassador was a revenge killing...

We sit down with EIR's Jeffrey Steinberg to get some background on this past September 11th attacks. We cover the character of the accelerating religious warfare in Southwest Asia, the false notion of an American empire, and touch on the role of prince Bandar bin-Sultan.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDxq9t7CJ8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDxq9t7CJ8M

[ThePythonicCow]

What's quite possible, however, is that there are bigger lies going on here than just whether or not there was any "interim consulate" in Benghazi.
Another report on the killing of Ambassador Stevens at the "embassy" in Benghazi, Libya, from CIA Fingerprints All Over Benghazi Innocence Psyop (Scott Creighton) (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/cia-fingerprints-all-over-benghazi-innocence-psyop/):



It’s being reported in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/world/africa/attack-in-libya-was-major-blow-to-cia-efforts.html?_r=0) that the CIA was all over the “consulate” compound in Benghazi where Amb. Chris Stevens was reportedly killed. They ran the place. It was their base of operations in Libya. In fact, it wasn’t a consulate at all but rather the base of operations for the CIA. Stevens’ presence there is not remarkable since it was the CIA and Stevens working together in Libya since early 2011 who created and ran the fake revolution in the first place.

Of the 20 or so Americans who were evacuated from the location prior to Stevens’ death, “over a dozen” of them were CIA. When it was reported that the ambassador became “separated” from the rest as the evacuation took place, that report came from the CIA. When CNN reports that “someone” found the ambassador’s journal “on the floor” and gave it to them, that unnamed source was probably CIA.

The CIA is still in Libya reportedly keeping tabs on the growing Green Resistance in the country, people who are opposed to the puppet neoliberal regime we installed by running a CIA/Stevens terror campaign and then using that bloodshed and various US media lies to justify a NATO bombing campaign which took the lives of thousands of innocent Libyan people and the rightful leader of the country.

As a result of the reported death of Amb. Stevens, the CIA now gets to use more drones in Libya (http://news.yahoo.com/us-scrambles-rush-spies-drones-libya-072116664.html) in full public view to bomb and murder various opposition leader, the rank and file of the Green Resistance and their family members as well. They are also sending in various hit squads, “spies” to run the midnight black bag ops taking opposition leaders out of their homes and renditioning them to various black site Gitmos across the world. So when one asks “who benefits” from the “Innocence of the Muslims” psyop, the answer finally comes back, the CIA.

More at CIA Fingerprints All Over Benghazi Innocence Psyop (Scott Creighton) (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/cia-fingerprints-all-over-benghazi-innocence-psyop/).

[pixiestix]

MKedcvHmnpQ:confused:

[mescalitto]

Hmmmm, you thinking what im thinking? :( this does not look very good as far as world peace goes.
Looks like were at that rather pivotal stage we have all been dreading. I cant help but think the worst.
Thankyou for this post, Love n light Mescalitto

[Kiforall]

Is he in his hole? Hope he has plenty of vitamin D ;)

[gooty64]

It sure feels that at any moment now the NWO plays their next big move.
And we don't even have a clue on here what we are going to do about it, except leave the hemisphere.

[truth4me]

Maybe he's getting cloned again....:happy:

[ThePythonicCow]

I added the qualifier "(World Leader's Cancelled Trips and Meetings)" to this thread's title. It's not just Obama who's canceling meetings. The video reports that other heads of state, in several major nations world wide, are canceling meetings.

[Lettherebelight]

I agree. It is pure conjecture, but things do seem uncomfortably quiet for a run up to a major election....strange...

[SilentFeathers]

With all the recent Israeli/Western fear/war mongering going on, all the violence and chaos especially in the Mid-East, it's no wonder so many are cancelling events/meetings....I would do the same considering all the rhetoric and danger.

[Operator]

Well let met reiterate ...

Pending Announcement Status (New ZetaTalk) (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/pending-announcement-status)

Pending Announcement 9/30 Update (NEW ZetaTalk) (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/pending-announcement-9-30-update-new-zetatalk)

I know the stuff on Zeta talk is highly controversial but somehow they are very convinced something along these lines is going to happen.
I didn't see the video of the OP yet but it could be signs of something happening. I know lots of announced predictions will never come to
pass but if we are convinced that something is in the works then at a certain point it becomes inevitable that something publicly
comes out.

[SilentFeathers]

Well let met reiterate ...

Pending Announcement Status (New ZetaTalk) (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/pending-announcement-status)

Pending Announcement 9/30 Update (NEW ZetaTalk) (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/pending-announcement-9-30-update-new-zetatalk)

I know the stuff on Zeta talk is highly controversial but somehow they are very convinced something along these lines is going to happen.
I didn't see the video of the OP yet but it could be signs of something happening. I know lots of announced predictions will never come to
pass but if we are convinced that something is in the works then at a certain point it becomes inevitable that something publicly
comes out.

I think something very big is likely to happen soon also, but I haven't been snorting fairy dust or gazing in to a crystal ball, nor have I been hearing voices in my head that might be from an alien race, I've just been simply "observing" what is going on around me and in the world lately.....

[Operator]

I think something very big is likely to happen soon also, but I haven't been snorting fairy dust or gazing in to a crystal ball, nor have I been hearing voices in my head that might be from an alien race, I've just been simply "observing" what is going on around me and in the world lately.....

Right, I am not holding my breath too ... just mentioned it for the records. I keep it on the back burner so I might recognize events when something
matches these 'predictions'. A sort of "Traffic lights ahead" warning so you don't have to go on full brakes if they may turn out to be red. :p

[blufire]

MSM reported Obama cancelled his meetings and appointments for the next couple days to prepare for first presidential debate on Wednesday evening. . . . I haven’t heard about other leaders.

Just stay alert, read between the lines and consider all options

[ThePythonicCow]

MSM reported Obama cancelled his meetings and appointments for the next couple days to prepare for first presidential debate on Wednesday evening. . . . I haven’t heard about other leaders.
But I thought that the video in opening post on this thread also said that Obama canceled some practice debates with John F. Kerry because of his busy schedule.

So ... he's too busy practicing to schedule, and too busy scheduling to practice, and nowhere to be found ??

:)

[Awakened]

Perhaps the inevitable poop is about to hit the fan....no? :eek:

[blufire]

MSM reported Obama cancelled his meetings and appointments for the next couple days to prepare for first presidential debate on Wednesday evening. . . . I haven’t heard about other leaders.
But I thought that the video in opening post on this thread also said that Obama canceled some practice debates with John F. Kerry because of his busy schedule.

So ... he's too busy practicing to schedule, and too busy scheduling to practice, and nowhere to be found ??

:)


My bad Paul . . . I didn’t listen to the OP video . . . I have limited download ability where I live now and am very select on what I listen too. :o

I feel if major compost where about to hit the fan that things would ‘appear’ normal, much like Bush making an appearance at an elementary school at the exact same time the planes started hitting the WTC.

[ThePythonicCow]

So ... he's too busy practicing to schedule, and too busy scheduling to practice, and nowhere to be found ??

:)

My bad Paul . . . I didn’t listen to the OP video . . . I have limited download ability where I live now and am very select on what I listen too. :o


No problem -- I wasn't worried about your post -- I was just scratchin my noggin over the insanity of it, and playing off your post.

I shoulda made my smiley bigger or something.

I hope life on most of the other bazillion planets out there with intelligent life isn't as messed up weird as it is here.

[Fred Ryan]

I justed checked the White House webpage and both Obama and Biden have events scheduled for today, Monday, 10/1/12, then nothing for as far out as I cared to scroll. I also checked schedules from previous weeks and both were jammed packed. One would think, given next month's election, that both would have full schedules. This is very odd. Frankly, I think something might be about to happen

[161803398]

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I think he's had a death threat.

It’s a paper entitled: Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East, an 82 page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel. The authors concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

[Lettherebelight]

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2012-presidential-debate-schedule/

This is the ink to the official 2012 Elections site. It gives details of the debates scheduled for this week. You gotta love the Breaking Bad ad on the side, lol.

[phillipbbg]

If you listen to this Coast to Coast interview it links into the world leaders cancelling all their movements and a supposed disclosure under way..

Posted on you tube
Published on Oct 1, 2012 by DrHumanAlien
What caused the sudden rush of the most powerful leaders of the Western World to go to Afghanistan, this report continues, was to directly view the discovery by US Military scientists of what is described as a "Vimana" entrapped in a "Time Well"
that has already caused the "disappearance" of at least 8 American Soldiers trying to remove it from the cave it has been hidden in for the past estimated 5,000 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_BXe88ayE&feature=player_embedded

[ThePythonicCow]

You gotta love the Breaking Bad ad on the side, lol.
Different users will see different ad's, thanks to adsense and similar technology using cookies and the like to track individual user interests.

[Cidersomerset]

RT are right on the ball at the momment, these are all good articles !!


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Published on 2 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


Most people believe politicians are full of promises among other things and President Obama has promised to crackdown on big banks. Since Obama has been in office the government has paid out $1.6 million to corporate whistleblowers who report wrong doing on Wall Street. RT's Kristine Frazao has more on the double standard for whistleblowers.

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When the Elites & Banksters ,police the Elites & Banksters...Who Wins ? & who are
always screwed !!!! More Obama cosmetic reteric....

BwZExDLbOQA

Published on 2 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


President Obama promised to prosecute the wrongdoings of Wall Street in his State of the Union address, vowing that the residential mortgage-backed Securities Task Force would investigate the people who created and sold worthless bonds. Is the president determined to actually get things done? David Dayen a blogger for Firedoglake, joins Rt's Liz Wahl to break it down.

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Published on 2 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


In the US, Congress is still unable to get a handle on the US debt crisis, but over the next decade nearly half a trillion dollars will be mandatorily cut from the Defense Department in an effort to avoid further debt. It is expected that over 100,000 soldiers will be separated from service and approximately 20 percent of the spending will be reduced within that time period. Tim Cavanaugh, managing editor for Reason.com, joins us to discuss what this could mean for America's security.

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Max commenting on the corrupt 'Banksters' and their new schemes !!


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Published on 2 Oct 2012 by RussiaToday


In this episode, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the nine scariest words in the English language - "I'm from JP Morgan and I'm here to help you." They also discuss deferred prosecution agreements and celebrities and bloggers shilling for banksters in California's mortgage contract-asset seizure market. In the second half of the show, Max Keiser talks to Jaromil about bitcoin as a digital charm bracelet and the revolution in accounting science - triple entry accounting.

[aranuk]

Hi Steve may I thank you for continuously contributing information in your posts which are usually spot on and extremely up to date on what is going on around the world. You certainly save me some time with your efforts.

You are very much appreciated Sir

Stan

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Stan I like checking RT , At present their formula of using independent web bloggers/experts as well as mainstream guests gives
them an edge on the old media imo ......

This is a story from Monday about a Cyber Attack False flag.....But when its explained its another scare story !!

QfSw3vtHLSc

Published on 1 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


According to a recent article, Chinese hackers were able to gain access to one of the US governments most sensitive computer networks,
a system used by the White House military office for nuclear commands. Cyber security has been a hot topic and many are worried that
China will not stop trying to penetrate the US governments computer networks. RT Web Producer Andrew Blake joins us with more on what this means for America's online security.

[apokalypse]

Debate Transcript: http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21695181/full-transcript-barack-obama-mitt-romney-presidential-debate

for the first part of Debate where they talk about TAX and 2nd Part about National Deb,. Ron Paul could say...
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just piss me off where i hear create more jobs and economy, the bloody system nothing but Self to Serve and to enlsave humanity...why can't people see this?

[ljwheat]

just piss me off where i hear create more jobs and economy, the bloody system nothing but Self to Serve and to enlsave humanity...why can't people see this?

I wouldn’t be so hard on yourself, and others for at one time we were the people who couldn’t see this.

This is going to rub against what you say they can’t see in the same light you have used. And that is there all the good old boys.

ONE party with Two and a half names, governing one over fed cow.

Cowboys dressing up as Indians, to do a dirty deed and switching back when ever convenient.

WWF Monday night smack down wrestling show, or circus for a buck. Some one has to play the good guy (Ron) everything a good guy is expected to portray is right and true and should be what congress should be about.

The public oath of office. And the closed door oath are two completely opposite animals. NO One can Be In This Club Of A Governing Body That Dose Not Take That Back Room Oath Of Office. And Ron Paul Is a Member of this very same Club of Office weather you believe this or not make no difference.

Look what you didn’t believe before what you blame other’s of not seeing and see now.

Check the history that’s not written in public history books, on congress, while they were singeing the declaration of rights for people of this land.

At that very same moment in history, congress was allowing the genocide and the wiping out of the American Indians on this continent.

Not just the Hollywood version of a encampment or two, but entire city’s and communities of thousands and millions of innocent indigent people were slaughtered, greater than the holocaust in Germany under Hitler.

These are the good old boy’s that this country is blind to, no different than wwII and the blind German people were.

Genocide and singeing the Bill of Rights in the same pen stroke. History and the schools blinding kids that will be adults have no clue, or did you till this moment. The good old boy’s have always been a one power unit from the beginning hiding all this crap from coming out. And the behind closed door Oath is part of this silence, the real congress of thugs, and Ron Paul is just roll playing, as he too took this secret oath of protection to the club.

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So in conclusion If all of Americans got the real history and didn’t show up at all to vote for the two they chose for you to vote for. They would simply vote for themselves just like they do in the Vatican in united country’s of Europe of good old boy’s. Wake Up the good old boy’s rule this world.

[OBwan]

The video "Dreams from My Real Father" is being sent to the homes of millions of United States voters.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/anti-obama-film-director-at-national-press-club

The director Joel Gilbert discussed his move at the National Press Club in July. The following twelve minute video discusses that a Pulitzer Prize is possible by watching his movie.

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[humanalien]

You can already watch this video online for free.

[OBwan]

Barack Obama's gold band - The whole story at the following link

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/


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NEW YORK – As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues.

Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.

Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no God except Allah.”


Inscription on Obama's ring

The Shahada is the first of the Five Pillars of Islam, expressing the two fundamental beliefs that make a person a Muslim: There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah’s prophet.

[mountain_jim]

But Quinsey's SaLuSa again assures us, as recently as today, that



We already know which world Leaders can be trusted, and Barack Obama will lead the way. It seems we cannot say it enough times to convince some people, but he is a highly spiritual soul simply waiting his opportunity to begin his real mission. He will re-unite the world in peace, and set the scene for our coming.




:rofl:

[jimmer]

we are witnessing and impacted by the biggest political con job perpetrated on the american people in our history.
thanks democrats.
there will always be phony politicians. it's our job not to elect them.
the american press and an uninformed electorate has let the rest of we americans down.
and lots of us are really, really ticked off.

[mountain_jim]

there will always be phony politicians. it's our job not to elect them.

Which is why I am sitting this election out. Obama was quite the bait and switch, but Romney is funded and advised by some of the same neocon contingent I suspect were involved in the 9/11 false flag, plus a buddy of nutinyahoo who will almost certainly continue to do Israel's dirty work.

Believing the Dem's con jobs are worse than the Repugnicans is not the path to a better future, based on all the evidence since 9/11, in my view.

And voting is a joke anyways, at least for the last 3 US prez elections, in any place where the votes are electronic and no paper-trails for audits exist.

I did not know until today that Rabbi Dov Zakheim is a Romney advisor. I have been aware of his connections to many suspicious aspects of 9/11, including the mission Pentagon trillions announced on 9/10/01, and links to remote controlled aircraft guidance systems, among others, for some years.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/09/265722/911-criminals-run-romney-campaign/



According to Barrett, Romney's top foreign policy advisor Rabbi Dov Zakheim is “one of the leading suspected hands-on designers and controllers of the Israeli-instigated 9/11 false-flag operation.”

The analyst further added that Zakheim, who was appointed on May 4, 2001 as the Comptroller of the US Defense Department, was responsible for the loss of over USD 2.3 trillion in Pentagon funds - equivalent to five times its annual budget - which was announced by the then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on September 10, 2001, just a day before the 9/11 events.

The huge and mysterious loss of funds was actually estimated to be USD 9.1 trillion by CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer, the article added.

“So what happened to the Pentagon's missing 2.3 trillion dollars (or 9.1 trillion dollars if you believe Susan Lindauer)?” Barrett asked. “The one thing we know for sure is that it has never been found...at least not officially. Lindauer says insiders know it was embezzled by agents of Israel. Interestingly, the Comptroller of the Pentagon - the man who was running the Pentagon's finances - was a known Israeli agent, Rabbi Dov Zakheim. (Yes, he really is a rabbi!)”



mainstream link indicating his connection with Romney camp:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/Obama-Romney-advisors-Janine-Davidson-and-Dov-S-Zakheim-debate-in-Tempe



TEMPE, AZ - Advisors on national security to President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney debated foreign policy at Arizona State University in Tempe Wednesday night.

Obama's advisor, Janine Davidson, highlighted his foreign policy successes, namely the killing of Osama Bin Laden and pulling the troops out of Iraq.

Davidson also criticized Romney's tour abroad this summer, saying he insulted our allies.

Romney's advisor, Dov S. Zakheim, countered by criticizing the Obama administration for cutting nearly $500 billion from the defense budget which he said makes the United States look weak to our enemies.

One of the more spirited moments in the debate came on the topic of Iran and their quest to develop nuclear weapons.

"I believe the sanctions are starting to work," Davidson said. "If you bring Iran to the table and change their calculus so they can determine it's no longer in their best interest to have this weapon, that's a better, long-term outcome than the military option."

"If we say 'we're going to wait until they've just about got a bomb,' when the Israelis look at our intelligence record including our ability to predict all those riots the other week and say 'well, suppose you're wrong again,'" countered Zakheim.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/Obama-Romney-advisors-Janine-Davidson-and-Dov-S-Zakheim-debate-in-Tempe#ixzz28vIu1BLb





DOV ZAKHEIM ­ A brief resume'
Graduate of the prestigious London School of Economics (PhD), and the University of Oxford (National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow)
Former CEO of Systems Planning Corporation, a highly specialized defense technology company that manufactures a one-of-a-kind remote-piloting system for aircraft, including commercial airliners
Senior Fellow for Asian Studies of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Member of the Task Force on Defense Reform (appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen)
Senior Advisor at the Center for International and Strategic Studies
Former Under Secretary of Defense (appointed by George W. Bush)
Comptroller of the Pentagon
Pioneer and prime architect of Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the neo-con cabal that authored Rearming America's Defenses (RAD), the bible for American global domination
Author of "Flight Of The Lavi: Inside A US-Israeli Crisis" (Brassey's, 1996)
Long-time Bush associate, having served as a policy advisor to the governor during the 2000 campaign
Columnist for The Jerusalem Post
Editorial Board member of Israel Affairs
Ordained Rabbi
Citizen of the State of Israel - How a citizen of Israel can serve as Comptroller of America's central defense establishment is a question I shall leave to others for comment. While they ponder this perturbing oddity, perhaps they could also shed light on why every one of the following kingpins of the Bush administration are also Israeli citizens: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Phillip Zelikow, and Marc Grossman.

[Cidersomerset]

The Nobel peace committee should hang their heads in shame !!!

I know Nobel made his fortune inventing dynamite ! and they have sure
blown a hole in the concept of world peace !!


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Published on 9 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


Three years ago, President Obama was the recipient of the highly prestigious Nobel Peace Prize. At the time, even the president was taken back by the award and he admitted himself that the decision was a controversial one, but since he won the award President Obama has continued to expand the drone program in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and under his watch over 1,300 civilians have been killed. Colonel Morris Davis joins us with more on whether Obama is really promoting peace.

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Published on 9 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


It seems as technology progresses devices get smaller and smaller and that goes for drones as well. According to Wired, mini-drones are being tested in Oklahoma in program known as Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety and it will be used for aerial surveillance. So what exactly is this program for? Amie Stepanovich, associate litigation counsel for EPIC, fills us in on what's really going on with aerial surveillance.
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Published on 10 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


Mini-drones are being tested in Oklahoma withing the framework of a program called "Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety," indicating that small spy planes will be used to keep tabs on Americans in the near future. The drones are said to be used for ventures like "law enforcement operations, search and rescue, and fire and hazardous material spill response" and will fly for 30 minutes to two hours at a time, weighing around 25 pounds so they can be launched by hand. However those devices are reportedly set to spy on the public. Trevor Timm of the Electronic Frontier Foundation joins RT's Liz Wahl


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Published on 10 Oct 2012 by RussiaToday


US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has confirmed that US troops have been dispatched to the Jordan-Syrian border to help bolster the former's military capabilities in case violence escalates in the volatile region - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/lsjysb

[Cidersomerset]

For what its worth on last weeks cash flow Bob played a clip part of which Ion was asked where obama was born ? Ion said
he was born in Jakarta Indonesia and they have said this a few times over the last couple of years....I'll just mention it as I
thought of it looking at the tittle of the thread ! ....

Obama like all the last 5 or 6 Presidents are all Corporate puppets as we have discussed on many threads on here and the
Nobel article sums up what a farce politics is for 99% of the worls populace because who ever we vote for...TPTB stay in power!

kf1SLhNoUNY

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50739-What-was-this-BS-all-about---....Obama-Nobel-Peace-Prize-winner-with-a-kill-list---



Which is why I am sitting this election out. Obama was quite the bait and switch, but Romney is funded and advised by some of the same neocon contingent I suspect were involved in the 9/11 false flag, plus a buddy of nutinyahoo who will almost certainly continue to do Israel's dirty work.

I understand your frustration and TPTB don't care if you vote or not as their man will still get in.
I feel the same over here but I will vote for the sacrafices of my working class fore bearers..

i will vote for one of the minor parties, I know it may not make a difference but it keeps to the
principle of one man one vote! even if the system is corrupt.....

[Kryztian]

He mentions Mandela, Marshall and and King as his predecessors. He seems to be following more in the footsteps of Kissinger.

[sdv]

So what exactly is this program for?

Continue the US (government and nation as a whole and not individuals, who are some of the most inspirational and creative that we have in the world) aggressive actions for world dominance for its own interests (might is right), but with decreasing risks for the people of the USA (these drones kill without having to risk US soldiers on the ground).

PS No great person is without flaws. Consider Nelson Mandela. Under his government thousands of teachers were retrenched and all teaching colleges were closed down. Eighteen years after liberation, unemployment is above 25%, corruption, incompetence and giving jobs to pals for government is rampant (no need to have qualifications or experience or even a clean criminal record), and the poor and uneducated and ignorant are using violence and destruction to demand rather than earn. As the leader of the liberated South Africa he was inspirational, but the country is being destroyed because of the failure to invest wisely in education. Don't expect anyone to be perfect, but never sell out your values for the sake of politics and what you expect to gain from such politics.

[sdv]

Please guys, look at the more substantial stuff to hang someone, such as policies if you want, response to lobbyist, embezlement if you can find, not petty stories.

Contrary to our protestations, a country gets the leader and government that it chooses! You can play the game of petty mud slinging or you can find out what your true values are and live in a way that upholds those values. To do so means that even when we are powerless we must act. When another drone terrorises and kills people in Pakistan, or wherever, we must stand up and name and acknowledge and name those who have been terrorised and killed and speak out our outrage and rejection about what has been done on our behalf so that we can be the greatest and the best and be protected in all ways. Not so?

[EsmaEverheart]

Published on 9 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


It seems as technology progresses devices get smaller and smaller and that goes for drones as well. According to Wired, mini-drones are being tested in Oklahoma in program known as Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety and it will be used for aerial surveillance. So what exactly is this program for? Amie Stepanovich, associate litigation counsel for EPIC, fills us in on what's really going on with aerial surveillance.
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u8nNfSJeiRA

Published on 10 Oct 2012 by RTAmerica


Mini-drones are being tested in Oklahoma withing the framework of a program called "Robotic Aircraft for Public Safety," indicating that small spy planes will be used to keep tabs on Americans in the near future. The drones are said to be used for ventures like "law enforcement operations, search and rescue, and fire and hazardous material spill response" and will fly for 30 minutes to two hours at a time, weighing around 25 pounds so they can be launched by hand. However those devices are reportedly set to spy on the public. Trevor Timm of the Electronic Frontier Foundation joins RT's Liz Wahl



I live in Oklahoma. While I am far away from Ft. Sill, my husband and I have seen drones flying over our house on 2 separate occasions.

[ghostrider]

the ptb have to build Obama up, he has no job experience, wasnt born stateside, two years a senator then boom running for president , gets elected , gets peace prize for doing nothing but breathing, then gets osama , sound like a movie script. the drones, hmmm better hope no one hacks the program and sends one over where your loved ones are. I sick of MY government spying on me everywhere I freakin turn. I will not fly. I puposely say wild things cause I know they are listening. you spies, you've lost your true loyalty to the constitutioin and freedom and the american people , shame on you, karma gonna get cha. you betcha...... take your drone and fly it where the sun don't shine. oops hope the kids are asleep. sorry I'm venting.:yo:

[AMystic3434]

and if he looses the election that might be part of there defeat. I remember an interview with Andrew Basiago where he said he spent time as a child with Obama in a CIA program. What do you think of Andrew Basiago? He has some outragous claims, is he legit.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

We ALL are part of the NWO support network IMHO. 98.9999% of us unconsciously. 1% do it for life... And 0.0001% work hard to create heaven on earth. A world based on Love... Which part every one of us is of? Huh? :confused:

[Cidersomerset]

YES !!! & YES !!! ... I've been meaning to see what Andrew has to say about Curiosity !!


I have put several of Andys interviews up this one is interresting and Bill gives his view
on Andy at the time ...


I think Andy thinks it is 'True'....Whether he was involved in some of the 'MK Ultra' games
going on in 60's/70's & 80's is debatable....I do not think he is a 'crank' and some of his
claims maybe true .
Has he been deliberately put in the alternate community with a story to tell ?
To discredit any research against the real Mars bases and Jump rooms ? possibly..

Andy said recently he was going to run for the Presidency of the US in 2016..
Because it was predicted when he was a boy in the chrononaught service !

He cannot be any more deluded than George Bush Jnr..LOL..

Its another one to mull over imo ,....Steve

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34223-DARPA-CIA-Jump-Room-To-Mars......Andrew-Basiago-28th-Oct-2011...

For what its worth ...Ion says Obama was born in Jakarta Indonesia !!

[Dennis Leahy]

Obama part of the NWO?
Absolutely
9/11 cover-up alone would convince me. Add the total support of the war-for-profit machine, signing the Patriot Act and NDAA, fake "kill" of binLadin, murder of thousands of civilians by drone in phony war on terror, "bailouts" to bankers and no financial criminals even indicted ... how much more proof do we need?

If he loses, it is strategic to the NWO that he lose, nothing more. They have already selected the winner. The "election" is pure theater, simply a distraction for the masses.

I remain hopeful that the NWO is falling apart, but pragmatically, I have seen nothing *yet* to indicate that it is true. In martial arts, opponents are routinely drawn to make moves where they see perceived weakness, but the masters feign weakness to draw the opponent. The NWO is a formidable opponent with hundreds of years and probably hundreds of thousands or even millions of man-hours (and probably artificial intelligence computer applications) to set up the chess board and formulate their strategy. The announcement of their defeat is premature. Stay strong and pure and keep growing your compassion and identification with Source - I am convinced this is key to both our personal life's journey being (spiritually) successful, and any chance of us defeating the NWO being successful.

Andrew Basiago? I would bet a large sum he is a deliberate disinformation agent, and if I am wrong about the "deliberate", then I'd say he is a mind-controlled disinformation agent. Wild stories using pieces of other people's wild claims.

Was Obama CIA? I'd say, a strong possibility that is true. If not CIA, then some other alphabet agency. I believe that most of his whole life story is contrived. No one just rises from obscurity - on their own - to become president of the USA, Inc. in a few years.

Dennis

[Fred Steeves]

I actually have much compassion for Barry Barack Obama. Just look at his eyes and facial expressions as a child and young man, then compare that to what you see today. There's nothing left of his former self, they've taken it all.

I was shocked at how much this PBS documentary disclosed 2 nights ago, even though it also leaves a lot of holes. The main thing is, look at all the young footage of him early on, and you tell me just what happened that poor kid...

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[Kryztian]

As Robert says above, we are all part of the NWO at times. It really does depend how much we collaborate with their agenda or resist it, consciously or unconsciously. When we eat fast food, rely on big Pharma for our health care, buy into the consumerist philosophy, and take on xenophobic fears, we unconsciously support the NWO, we become the base for their pyramid of tyranny. When we make decisions of take responsibility for our selves and look out for the welfare of others, live courageously and make decisions that lead to wellness for all, without even knowing it, we are working to overthrow the NWO.

As for Obama, his complicity with the NWO might always be a mystery. How conscious is he that there is an NWO? Has he been "conditioned" for the job or brainwashed? Perhaps the NWO does possess the technology to discern certain details about the future and the name "Obama" came up, and so they came to be a guiding force in his life, preparing him, decades in advance, to be the figurehead leader of a nation which they want to control.

The question for me is not, if he is or isn't a member, but just how conscious is he of the NWO agenda? We know he probably went to Bilderberg in 2008, but how aware is he of the significance of Bilderberg and what it does and how they truly think? How far up the hierarchy is he in the NWO and does he even know how high up it goes, or does he think about it?

I don't think we can truly know that answer to the question and it would not be responsible to make conclusions we can't justify. All we can do is speculate on the parameters of possibility.

[Brodie75]

Obama part of the NWO?
Absolutely
9/11 cover-up alone would convince me. Add the total support of the war-for-profit machine, signing the Patriot Act and NDAA, fake "kill" of binLadin, murder of thousands of civilians by drone in phony war on terror, "bailouts" to bankers and no financial criminals even indicted ... how much more proof do we need?

If he loses, it is strategic to the NWO that he lose, nothing more. They have already selected the winner. The "election" is pure theater, simply a distraction for the masses.

I remain hopeful that the NWO is falling apart, but pragmatically, I have seen nothing *yet* to indicate that it is true. In martial arts, opponents are routinely drawn to make moves where they see perceived weakness, but the masters feign weakness to draw the opponent. The NWO is a formidable opponent with hundreds of years and probably hundreds of thousands or even millions of man-hours (and probably artificial intelligence computer applications) to set up the chess board and formulate their strategy. The announcement of their defeat is premature. Stay strong and pure and keep growing your compassion and identification with Source - I am convinced this is key to both our personal life's journey being (spiritually) successful, and any chance of us defeating the NWO being successful.

Andrew Basiago? I would bet a large sum he is a deliberate disinformation agent, and if I am wrong about the "deliberate", then I'd say he is a mind-controlled disinformation agent. Wild stories using pieces of other people's wild claims.

Was Obama CIA? I'd say, a strong possibility that is true. If not CIA, then some other alphabet agency. I believe that most of his whole life story is contrived. No one just rises from obscurity - on their own - to become president of the USA, Inc. in a few years.

Dennis

Have to agree with the obvious part. Yuor either part of the solution or part of the problem, and even in a fictious role of president he would be in a position to know the difference.

[Brodie75]

Am i understanding you correctly that your saying THEY messed with him and or groomed (mind controlled) him
and that is why he's gone along with the NWO agenda?
Or was he just too cowardly to stand up for his country?
Even if he was victom to or of a terrible childhood there's plenty of folks here on this forum who've
to hell and back and can still stand up amd counted.

Ps. Plenty of mk ultra victoms out there Cathy o"Brian, Brice Taylor, Duncon & Miranda who have
seem the light. Perhaps there's hope for him yet:)

[GoodETxSG]

Member of NWO = Eligible to hold office as puppet... NON Member of NWO = You are a third party candidate that has no chance of being voted in...
I cannot be convinced that to varying degree's ANYONE in a position of POWER in NWO/CABAL Sponsored Countries are puppets on some level of the NWO... When people are voted in and spend their first month on the "Hill" their eyes are opened to "how things are done" and if they rock the boat they learn quickly not to... so "Hope and Change" is a nice slogan, but they do not have the power to keep any of these promises. The NWO is elbow deep in their posteriors... sadly the way it is until the collapse and very hard times happen to let us start over.
Not just my humble opinion, what I have witnessed first hand (Not up my posterior) how things work in the Political, Military, Intelligence and Financial Power Structures... Feel free to dispute. I just have to go off of what I have seen... not hear say on the Internet that is mixed with opinions and disinfo...
TY...

[ghostrider]

of course he is part of the NWO , he was brought up and in to the white house by the ptb. hint his real name is not Barrak Hussen Obama, sounds like saddam hussen and osama binladen together coincidence ?? nope. dictator + terroist = Obama. Kill list , drones, NDAA law, border patrol agents killed , ambassadors killed, navy seals killed, no protesting where government types are speaking etc ...

[pilotsimone]

Nobody knows what is happening no matter how much they claim the contrary.

[Referee]

Of course he is. He also has worn a ring of Muslim Faith!

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[Referee]

Also this video..

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[Sirius White]

Of course he is.

He is their shining boy. The guy who can convince you he cares about people of color, women, and gay marriage but is ultimately the ultimate trojan horse.

[modwiz]

Is this an Anti-Muslim thread now? The only Abrahamic religion to not practice usury is somehow the bad guys? The MSM has done its' job well. Any knowledge people have about the Islamic faith came from our media or one of their publishing houses.

Those same houses may have published honest books about the faith, but they were never promoted. I am sure they billed for the printing though.

[Dennis Leahy]

Nobody knows what is happening no matter how much they claim the contrary.
Hi pilotsimone,

Are you saying that there is a lot we don't know about the NWO and Obama's direct interaction with them, or are you saying that Obama might be a good guy, pretending to be a bad guy?

None of us "outsiders" know everything the insiders know, so it is possible that Obama is just in low-level collusion with bankers, military/security/intelligence/surveillance/prison corporations, Big Energy, Big Pharma, Big Ag, etc. We do know that - it is not hidden. We do know that. We do know that Obama made numerous guarantees (they were beyond campaign promises) and reversed himself on every one of them. His oratorical and motivational speaker skills in his 2007 campaign created a spell on many people - and many are still under the spell and don't even realize the man's evil deeds, or offer excuses for every one. If someone needs to cling to the spell he and his advertising firm cast, and ignore, justify, and rationalize the substance and evidence of his evil actions, then it is impossible to debate that person.

No one needs to know what happens behind the curtains - Obama has a public record of warmongering, stripping US citizens of rights, aiding and abetting transnational banksters, and drone bombing civilians - based on the phony war on terror, based on his cover-up of 9/11. He is the number one co-conspirator in terms of the cover-up operation of 9/11. It could not have been covered-up without his actions (and inactions.)

So yes, it may well be true that we don't know if Obama directly "works for" the NWO, but he most certainly works for the NWO's team.

Dennis

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Have you considered Obama to be a "double-agent"? There was a Polish/Lithuanian poet Adam Mickiewicz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Mickiewicz) (1798 – 1855) (pronounced almost like Meetzkyeveetch ;) ) who wrote a poem tittled Konrad Wallenrod

Brief plot summary of the poem from WikiPedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Wallenrod#Plot):
In a preface, Mickiewicz briefly outlines the history of the region, describing the interactions among the Lithuanians, Prussians, Poles, and Russians.[1] The following six cantos tell the story of Wallenrod, a fictional Lithuanian pagan captured and reared as a Christian by his people's long-standing enemies, the Order of Teutonic Knights. He rises to the position of Grand Master, but is awakened to his heritage by a mysterious minstrel singing at an entertainment.[3] He then seeks vengeance by deliberately leading the Knights into a major military defeat.[3] It transpires that Wallenrod has a wife, Aldona, who has been living in seclusion. The Knights discover his treason and sentence him to death; Aldona refuses to flee with him. He then commits suicide.

Author of the novel "Heart of Darkness" Joseph Conrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Conrad) aquired name Conrad in tribute to Konrad Wallenrod.

Why i mention Mickiewicz here? First let me introduce you to another poem by Mickiewcz called Dziady (pronounced Jyady ;) ). It is about pre-christian ritual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dziady) of calling ghosts which was replaced by Catholic Church with All Saints' Day. There was a paragraph, a vision of a priest. In that vision there was a strange passage: "The Son of a foreign mother, in his blood old heroes And his name will be forty and four".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dziady_(poem)#The_parts (Part III)
Dziady is one of the most revered works in Polish literature...

This links to a strange story about Polish students who visited an Indian reservation in Canada in the 60s. There was a shaman who was reluctant to speak with tourists. But when he saw the students he told one of them about very personal issue troubling one of them. He then agreed to answer one question. One student not thinking much and to the horror of others went and asked: What had The Poet on his mind when he wrote "And His Name Will Be Forty And Four"? His friends were ashamed for their colleague but the shaman with a straight face replied: „In the time he was writing, those words were not his own thoughts running in his head. None of your countrymen understand those words, and interpretations are wrong. The world awaits for the big trial, the big change. There will be an unusual man, a president of the USA, great man. He will lead the world through the storm, will help anybody who wants it. It will be the forty fourth president of the United States. That is a way to interpret the words of your poet. That man will have a Polish trait in his ancestry. It will be a sign that this is that man. In a sense it will be your president. That was on poets mind.”

One of the ancestors of Obama was named Sarah Poland (1824-aft1880)...
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestors_of_Barack_Obama
Dziady (Part III with a "44" thing) was finished in the spring of 1832.

Maybe, just maybe, you Americans should give him a second chance?

[update]
His mother was a native citizen of the USA. So it appears she is not so foreign. But... to Obama's Kenyan father and Kenyan grandparents she was foreign :)

[update #2]
The story of the Indian reservation event surfaced in the time of 2008 presidential elections.
Source (in Polish): http://www.nautilus.org.pl/?p=artykul&id=1395
(with the words of the Indian shaman in bold font)
Obama is 44th president of the USA...
Nautilus Foundation is dedicated to the research of the paranormal phenomena.

[Mu2143]

Prophecies aimed at the second term of Obama talk of war, military dictatorship, cities on fire, destruction, world war III, chaos. Rick Wiles and T D Hale dreams plus a multitude of others are imminent. Ron paul glenn beck peter schiff jim rogers gerald celente minecraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zZSJ7azR4I&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zZSJ7azR4I&feature=plcp

[Amity]

Not gonna happen guys. I know most of you are not stupid enough to feed into this crap. Stay positive and be strong! Much love!

[Rocky_Shorz]

thanks Amity, all the Shills are pumping out the terror right now, it shows their desperation.

Obama is just a man, and I have looked, he does care...

did they mention anything about Eddie Munster in a VP debate announcing he's ready to take on Russia, China, Iran and Syria?

of course not, it doesn't fit their Master's agenda...

[gooty64]

the revelations crowd

[Lettherebelight]

They like to have a Republican in for war...much easier to orchestrate...

[Lifebringer]

If you are religious, is it not wrong to listen to astrologers and seers?

It's not gonna happen is right. They will remove them first. Things will proceed whether you are afraid of them or not, but bare in mind, ptw feed on it.

Don't feed the dark side, and the light will continue to shine and something wonderful will happen "for" us, NOT "to" us.

Gotta have faith and hope for the best, but prepare for the worst anyway, eh?

[Mu2143]

If you are religious, is it not wrong to listen to astrologers and seers?

It's not gonna happen is right. They will remove them first. Things will proceed whether you are afraid of them or not, but bare in mind, ptw feed on it.

Don't feed the dark side, and the light will continue to shine and something wonderful will happen "for" us, NOT "to" us.

Gotta have faith and hope for the best, but prepare for the worst anyway, eh?

If you remember Bob Dean talking about this planet being spiritual school does who are
not going for there 10th and 11th spiritual body of the eternal one are still a part of the Matrix (Program)
Getting your 9th spiritual body is the key to step out of the Matrix

[Kimberley]

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CBS News affiliate calls 2012 presidential race for Barack Obama weeks ahead of election

The 2012 presidential election is still more than two weeks away, but on Friday a CBS News affiliate in Arizona called the race for President Barack Obama.

For 17 seconds, Phoenix, Arizona CBS News affiliate KPHO ran a lower third graphic that showed that Obama had won the Nov. 6 election over Gov. Mitt Romney with 99% of the precincts reporting. The lower third graphic appeared around 3:30 p.m. on Oct. 19, during an episode of “The People’s Court.”

The CBS News graphic showed Obama winning the election with 43 percent of the vote nationwide to Romney’s 40 percent -– or 40,237,966 votes to 38,116,216. It is unclear who garnered the other 17 percent in the fictional election results.

KPHO’s general manager did not return The Daily Caller’s request for comment by time of publication.

UPDATE 12:10 p.m.:

Michele Wallace of KPHO told TheDC that this was the result of a mistake made with a test graphic:

“On Friday October 19th during a test of KPHO- CBS 5’s election returns software we inadvertently aired a test graphic for about 15 seconds in an episode of Peoples Court,” Wallace said. “The mistake was caught quickly and taken off the screen. With the election about 2 weeks away, the TV station routinely tests its equipment to ensure our viewers have the very latest’s results on election night. We regret the error and apologize to any viewer who was confused by the mistake.”
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Go to this link to watch the video 41 second video:

Be sure to check out the comments of the article also...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/21/cbs-news-affiliate-calls-2012-presidential-race-for-barack-obama-weeks-ahead-of-election/#ixzz2A3jNmGOO

added:

The above link is acting weird so here is a similar article with the video also:

http://patdollard.com/2012/10/disturbing-cbs-news-affiliate-accidentally-runs-khyron-dated-november-6-declaring-obama-winner-of-2012-election-4340-40237


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I am posting this because I want it archived here to come back to after the election.

I know that both sides (Dems & Repubs) are in this hand and hand and are just playing the divide and conquer game and yes I like one candidate better than the other however I also know my vote means nothing in a rigged voting booth election...

So in other words I am posting this not to be political but to see how rigged this election and voting is? What if these numbers do show up... yikes "predetermined" weeks ahead....

I was not going to watch for results election night, however now I am to see what the numbers turn out to be....so this will be fun :-)



Much love to us al always in all ways!!! :grouphug:

[humanalien]

Well. We all know who will win now, don't we?
The fix is in folks....

[TargeT]

Well. We all know who will win now, don't we?
The fix is in folks....

or this could have just been a test and being CBS.. (biased to liberal agenda) they just put obama in on top for the test.... either way I'll be looking for the numbers to match up (though if the numbers do "they" must think we are dumb as rocks...) come election day.

[Sidney]

Just absolutely disgusting.

[eni-al]

These kind of things do happen, I've seen a Windows XP desktop once appear when it should have been graphics, HD information bars appeared on a standard definition broadcast.
Any real falsified numbers would really be fed from elsewhere during the election, however its done in the US, I doubt a channel would be really be aware of any rigging going on, make the whole election much more plausible.

[Carmody]

The person making the graphic would have likely guessed and put the data in, to make things more believable when testing the hardware.

Wild guesses (unforced) can be more potent than may first appear. See below.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&p=572385&viewfull=1#post572385

[ThePythonicCow]

Wild guesses (unforced) can be more potent than may first appear.

Perhaps, though guesses of 43% and 40%, in a US Presidential race with no major third party candidate, seem sufficiently unlikely to me as to be rather impotent :).

That might be because I'm more of a numbers person than the average person.

[ghostrider]

betcha this was on purpose , to put a mental image in the minds of those who are undecided, no one wants to be on the losing side and face the music the next day. A mental picture when the mind sleeps it will recall the graphic every time.

[kreagle]

Wild guesses (unforced) can be more potent than may first appear.

Perhaps, though guesses of 43% and 40%, in a US Presidential race with no major third party candidate, seem sufficiently unlikely to me as to be rather impotent :).

That might be because I'm more of a numbers person than the average person.

Paul,

With you being a 'numbers person', what is your current position on how you think this election is going to turn out? It seems to me that the 'numbers themselves', ( ie. polls, etc.), are beginning to strongly favor a 'decisive' Romney victory, if not perhaps a landslide. I'm just curious as to what your 'expertise' in numbers tells you, and would you kindly share that with us?

God Bless,.......kreagle

[truth4me]

Well. We all know who will win now, don't we?
The fix is in folks....since Nixon the fix has been in.........2 different sides of the same coin. I don't vote nor will I ever vote again.It's nothing but a scam job..........:blah:

[Rocky_Shorz]

what a disappointing debate, instead of important issues, like the Palestinian State and Kurdistan, they rehashed old news.

poor Romney did a great job of pointing out Obama's successes tonight by stating his goals for the next 4 years are what Obama did in the last 4, maybe there is something to Romnesia...

next Iran will agree to a peace deal with Obama the day before Romney shuts down a town to move his company out to China...

but he is a partial owner of the electronic voting company so he might still pull it off the old Bush in Florida way...

[Maunagarjana]

I found this comment interesting on that Daily Caller page:


Hmmm, well I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was just a mistake. i worked for a tv station once and I can tell you it's not hard to put something on the air by accident. In my day we used the same production switcher for live productions as we did for in house recorded productions (such as local ads) we had to be very careful not to press the "on-air" button at the end of the control row or whatever was on the screen would go out on the air.

I was also there in the weeks before an election and I can tell you it's a busy time. They have to rehearse so things go as smoothly as possible on election night. They produce faux graphics so that the crew can get familiar with putting them on the screen and keeping them up while switching between network and local feed.

It was the '80 election between Reagan and Carter. We were all college students and all of our graphics that we worked with showed Carter winning, so I can identify with this error. Most likely the local broadcast-art department's students were in the control room getting their training for election night and someone put the graphic out on the air by mistake.

But the reaction here is interesting. This is what happens when you lose your credibility by being in the bucket to such an extent for one candidate. When you keep stooping to new lows to try to help one side win; eventually people start to believe anything that they see that seems to help that side is deliberate and nothing is an accident.

I have to say, I don't blame you if it weren't for my personal experience I would believe the same thing. Esp. after that last debate.

Personally, I think what this person says is very plausible. But if you want to talk about fixes being in, perhaps this article should be considered:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12204-does-the-romney-family-now-own-your-e-vote

[Rocky_Shorz]

are you trying to give all of our diehard republican members a heart attack? ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

[With you being a 'numbers person', what is your current position on how you think this election is going to turn out? It seems to me that the 'numbers themselves', ( ie. polls, etc.), are beginning to strongly favor a 'decisive' Romney victory, if not perhaps a landslide. I'm just curious as to what your 'expertise' in numbers tells you, and would you kindly share that with us?
I was just taking the easy projection in my previous post. With only two candidates running that can expect any substantial votes, the total of the votes for Obama and Romney will be over 95% of the votes cast, not the 40 + 43 == 83 % that the numbers on that TV screen showed.

As to the more interesting projection, namely which candidate will be elected, that's "above my pay grade."

If I had to bet, I'd agree with you that Romney seems to be gaining. But I'd avoid betting if I could.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Well. We all know who will win now, don't we?
The fix is in folks....since Nixon the fix has been in.........2 different sides of the same coin. I don't vote nor will I ever vote again.It's nothing but a scam job..........:blah:
Lincoln and JFK, great leaders of old
Reagan, Clinton, Bush, crucified on a cross of gold
but The American people are so tied down & bloated
They complain and complain yet they never even voted
When the ship is sinking the rats wonder why?
we've got the best politicians money can buy

if you're not voting, what exactly ARE YOU DOING to fix our problem??? Bitching on the internet??

[humanalien]

Well. We all know who will win now, don't we?
The fix is in folks....since Nixon the fix has been in.........2 different sides of the same coin. I don't vote nor will I ever vote again.It's nothing but a scam job..........:blah:
Lincoln and JFK, great leaders of old
Reagan, Clinton, Bush, crucified on a cross of gold
but The American people are so tied down & bloated
They complain and complain yet they never even voted
When the ship is sinking the rats wonder why?
we've got the best politicians money can buy

if you're not voting, what exactly ARE YOU DOING to fix our problem??? Bitching on the internet??

truth4me:

I hear ya. I haven't voted since after my 19th birthday. I knew
that it didn't matter who you vote for because both Dem and Repub
are two faces of the same coin.


Koyaanisqatsi:

Voting doesn't make a difference, one way or the other. All presidents
work for people in higher places, not the american people, like they
are suppose to.

What we need to do is to get rid of this two party system, completely.
It just does not work, at all. The rich keep getting richer and the poor
keep getting poorer.

[applecrusher1992]

I bet they will still be arrogant enough to use those exact numbers too

[Skywizard]

This story may be old news to some but it is the first time I’ve heard of it and it really saddens and disgusts me. I understand it is being told by a grief stricken father but if any or all of it is true then lives could have possibility been saved.

Charles Woods, father of one of the SEALs killed in the attack makes strong comments against President Obama, V.P. Biden, Hillary Clinton and the White House.

"I searched but could not find where it had been posted before, if it has then admin. please move or delete".

The story was taken from ATS and The Blaze websites. (Read the full story at the Sources below)

Here is only part of the story.

UPDATE:
A bombshell new report says that the SEALS were told to “stand down” when they heard gunshots at the ambassador’s compound, and that three requests for aid were denied.

The father of one of the former Navy SEALs killed in the terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya says President Barack Obama wouldn’t even look him in the eye and Vice President Joe Biden was disrespectful during the ceremony when his son’s body returned to America. He also says the White House’s story on the attack doesn’t pass the smell test.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9tXekIVTsc&feature=player_embedded


Sources:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread893848/pg1

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/joe-biden-to-father-of-former-navy-seal-killed-in-benghazi-did-your-son-always-have-balls-the-size-of-cue-balls/


~skywizard

[WhiteFeather]

This story had a foul odor of fresh B/S, as i agree it didn't pass the smell test from when i first heard of it. My spidey senses started to tingle. Q. How does a whole seal team get taken out. Karma's gonna be a Bitch, and hopefully very swift.

[Czarek]

she makes very good points:

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[Lifebringer]

Ewwwww, this guy makes me want to vomit every time I hear his fearmongering and paranoid maladjusted delusional thoughts of suspicion.

Won't even watch, sorry, not that strong in the gut today, nor do I have the brain cells to waste listening to this "nazified nut." To me, he is the epitome of the person in a movie theatre, yelling fire, when someone lights a cigarette for a break in the breakroom.

Glen Beckistanians with their way out there suspicious minds, is a little to far beyond the edge.

Always pushing for reaction, then denying using emotionally disturbed fans to carry out the delusion of the leaders. Rev them up to rabidity, then set them loose with a lie and fear.

[Lifebringer]

Republicans cut the securiy funds through the Tea Party Congess, it was in the HP on the hearing. Republicans voted in 2011 to cut 131 million,then in Dec 2011 voted to cut 331 million on Bengazi security. This is traveling bs when ONLY the CIA knew what was happening, and WE know they aren't the most honest of departments since the Bush's were running it. Some of them still in commmand positions because of "an up or down vote on replacements" that the Party of NO won't even vote on or bring to the floor his appointees for replacement's names. This woman needs to watch C-span hearings and NOT her ratings/rantings. It's easy to look at how the government is supposed to work, when it doesn't have one side dragging the progress for recovery and security, but to totally ignore that fact, make it appear, she wants to know badly, and has voiced it well, but does not have all the evidence. Chalk that up to the HOUSE majority also. They STOPPED THE SECURITY FUNDING TWICE, now they want it to look as if President voted for them to NOT have security and just let them die.

Pretty weak considering this President hasn't every shown malice towards our own on the ground, however, Cheney and Rove HAVE OUTED OUR NUKE AGENTS AND LEAKED STUFF TO FOX.

Waking up, doesn't mean continue to listen to the fearmongering lazy won't seek other outer national news people who are on the ground.

A wag the dog/video was used by AQ and some other entity ptw, to distract from MITT's plunging after the 47% remark and the connection to the Bush Drug Cartel that was breaking.

I trust OUR patriotic Vets on the ground, and I believe you should also. They KNOW they've been used for years, and for what purpose. They are speaking out, how about a listen.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/breaking-romneys-bain-capital-drug-front-for-bush-cartel-video/

Still want to know why Romney wants OUR families stuck there? Watch and see and listen to what he doesn't say.

[risveglio]

What would you expect from sociopaths?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I sat talking with a rabid Fox watcher this weekend to pick her brain on what they've been programmed to and thought it was strange, they didn't know a town of 5700 people are boarding up and moving thanks to Romney shutting down a factory the day before the election and moving it to China...

he knows how to make money no matter what it takes... but he doesn't know how to create jobs...

she says we need to build up our military to protect our shores...

I asked if she understands the $2 Trillion is to get funds to start new wars in Iran and Pakistan...

I asked how Romney was going to put our kids to work, she said she didn't know...

I said he is going to put them all in uniforms hand them a gun and send them off into war...

his plans for putting kids to work, are not the plans America needs right now...

by the time I finished she had a whole new understanding, but then she whispers, I won't vote for a man that wasn't born in America...

I laughed turned on Fox so she could sip some more cool aid...

unbelievable...

[delfine]

Obama sends 4 trillion $ abroad:

http://patdollard.com/2012/09/investigation-finds-obama-financing-mosques-worldwide-with-u-s-taxpayer-dollars/

[Rocky_Shorz]

just be glad those who pray in Mosques have been pumping Billions into America

thanks for fixing your post... anyone building a website that says donate to our war on the top of their webpage is a site meant to stir up hatred...

if you took a closer look, the Mosques we are rebuilding were bombed in Bush's wars...

[RMorgan]

He should do much more than that.

He should send money to rebuild all schools, hospitals, roads, homes and everything else destroyed by the US Army abroad.

In fact, he should return all the money the USA has profited from wars back to these countries.

My mother always told that whenever I brake something, I have to fix it. It´s part of my personal ethics code.

[Kimberley]

I do not know what to think of this? However if it does mean something and if it is real you are some of the first to find out...This is an indictment not an arrest...

Even though I have seen articles from http://www.reuters.com/ I do not know anything about their credibility.

However I did feel to post this....

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/idUS138172+30-Oct-2012+PRN20121030


Citizens' Grand Jury Indicts Obama and Biden
* Reuters is not responsible for the content in this press release.

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:07pm EDT

Citizens' Grand Jury Indicts Obama and Biden

PR Newswire

OCALA, Fla., Oct. 30, 2012

OCALA, Fla., Oct. 30, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Larry Klayman, founder and chairman of Freedom Watch, today announced that President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have been criminally indicted for having willfully released classified national security information concerning the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, U.S. and Israeli war plans concerning Iran and their cyber-attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. The release of this information, among other harm to U.S. national security, resulted in the killing of members of Seal Team Six by terrorists and the arrest and imprisonment of American covert agents by Pakistan, such as the doctor who aided the CIA with regard to the bin Laden assassination. U.S.-Israeli war plans with Iran have also been compromised.

A true bill of indictment was issued by a Citizens' Grand Jury in Ocala, Florida, who reviewed evidence and voted unanimously to indict Obama and Biden at 6:02 pm on October 29, 2012.

The authority for a Citizens' Grand Jury can be found at www.citizensgrandjury.com.

The criminal defendants, Obama and Biden, will now be given notice of their indictment, arraigned and then tried for their alleged crimes.

Mr. Klayman, the Citizens' Prosecutor, issued the following statement: "The Citizens' Grand Jury, after having deliberated, yesterday issued a true bill of indictment. See www.citizensgrandjury.com It did the work that the government should have done, but does not have the integrity to do; that is hold these public officials accountable under the law. For far too long government prosecutors, who are put in place by politicians, have looked the other way as high public officials like Obama and Biden violate the law to further their political agendas. Now, as a result, the people must therefore exercise the rights given to them by the framers of the Constitution, and themselves take legitimate measures to restore the nation to some semblance of legality. This indictment (see www.citizensgrandjury.com) of Obama and Biden is just the first step in a legal revolution to reclaim the nation from establishment politicians, government officials and judges who have represented only their own political and other interests at the expense of 'We the People.' Obama and Biden will now be tried in a court of law and I am confident that they will be convicted of these alleged crimes."

For information see www.citizensgrandjury.com. Media contact: Adrienne Mazzone, 561-750-9800 x210; amazzone@transmediagroup.com.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

it's just a bunch of drunks sitting around pissed that Obama is black and in office, tied to the Koran burner in Florida...

has nothing to do with anything but a reason to get people upset...

it's like a 5th grade class running a trial to teach them how law works getting published in a local paper and turned into a news story...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

how did their trial come out on Bush, Cheney and Romney?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s9QA5B6U86s

[Star Tsar]

He should do much more them that.

He should send money to rebuild all schools, hospitals, roads, homes and everything else destroyed by the US Army abroad.

In fact, he should return all the money the USA has profited from wars back to these countries.

My mother always told that whenever I brake something, I have to fix it. It´s part of my personal ethics code.

Along with the British too!

[Zelig]

it's just a bunch of drunks sitting around pissed that Obama is black and in office, tied to the Koran burner in Florida...

has nothing to do with anything but a reason to get people upset...

it's like a 5th grade class running a trial to teach them how law works getting published in a local paper and turned into a news story...

Wow. I'd never heard of this group or the fellow fronting it until now but obviously you have done your homework. He's a pretty cleancut looking drunk, I must say.

[Rocky_Shorz]

it isn't what they show, it's all in what you know...

but again my question, how did the trial on Kissinger come out for slaughtering 350,000 in his commy hunt?

let me guess, it isn't worth a trial by citizens of the world

[ThePythonicCow]

He should do much more than that.

He should send money to rebuild all schools, hospitals, roads, homes and everything else destroyed by the US Army abroad.

In fact, he should return all the money the USA has profited from wars back to these countries.

My mother always told that whenever I brake something, I have to fix it. It´s part of my personal ethics code.

I doubt that Obama, or the United States government, or even the entire nation, have the power to fix what they have helped break.

They could at most own up to what they've done, stop doing more of it, and assist in the multi-generational healing that must follow.

[Rocky_Shorz]

seeing Romney asking for $2 Trillion for WW III and seeing how many think he is the right man to lead us is scary...

he'll give our kids jobs, by handing them a uniform and a gun and sending them off to work...

[TargeT]

He should do much more than that.

He should send money to rebuild all schools, hospitals, roads, homes and everything else destroyed by the US Army abroad.

In fact, he should return all the money the USA has profited from wars back to these countries.

My mother always told that whenever I brake something, I have to fix it. It´s part of my personal ethics code.

Hey now, that was mostly the US Airforce, not army... we don't blow up schools (well not entire schools, maybe just portions of them) & quite honestly, the rebuilding is going on, its a HUGE sink hole for money in the middle east right now (ever heard of "cost plus" ?.. there's billions gone right there!) we seem to like to blow **** up then come in and fix it, it does wonders for our military industrial complex & keeps the enemies fresh and close at hand (for easy justification); luckily the media companies fully back these actions and cover the corrupted tracks up nicely with human interest stories so all the TV watchers will continue to buy american flags, thump their chest & proclaim that this piece of land and the people on it are #1!


I think the 4 trillion dollar number is a bit skewed however, where's the source of that?

we could probably make a large dent in poverty and hunger if we closed the 500+ foreign bases and brought all our troops home, but then how would we force,, err, defend our petro dollar?


seeing Romney asking for $2 Trillion for WW III and seeing how many think he is the right man to lead us is scary...

he'll give our kids jobs, by handing them a uniform and a gun and sending them off to work...

Your right Obama fanboy # 42; the exponential increase in drone strikes that Mr Obama has heralded during his warmongering reign are so much better!

lets not forget equipping and supporting the "rebels" in Libya, Syria & Iran in an attempt to destabilize the middle east and FORCE "wwIII" on us

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120905050947-bergen-drone-pakistan-attack-story-top.jpg

Dear mr pakistani, Please direct this question to our commander 'n theif, err cheif (Obama).

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/opinion/bergen-obama-drone/index.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

in the debate Romney said he would continue the Drone strikes...

that is nothing compared to starting WW III

this is not a debate-able point, that is why both candidates agree. CIA will operate regardless of who is at the helm.

the Goal of the Republican Leadership is the elite agenda, to wipe out 90% of the worlds population, those who still can't see it, are looking with closed eyes...

[161803398]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/29/269376/us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty/

"Today, key members of the military more loyal to Israel and Wall Street than the United States are said to be planning a mutiny to take place after the presidential election.

Their task, upon seizing power, is to facilitate a massive terror attack inside the United States, possibly using a stolen nuclear weapon, declare martial law, move troops into Iraq and to attack Iran with aid from Saudi A
rabia and the Gulf States."

"Over the past three decades, religious extremists have taken over the Air Force Academy, Annapolis and West Point, teaching mandatory classes in obscure religious beliefs, hatred of Islam and stressing obedience to an “Apocalypse Cult” that stresses
pre-emptive nuclear war in order to bring on the “end times” and destroy all life on earth."

Turkey is to attack Syria with aid from Israel and civil war between the Kurdish regional government and the national government in Baghdad is to begin with the US brokering a peace and re-establishing what “newly appointed President Romney” would describe as the “Status of Forces Agreement” he mentioned during the debates.

His real intent is to occupy Iraq and attack Iran. In the process, America intends on “neutralizing” the nuclear capability of Pakistan.
This is the plan, it is known, not just in the Department of Defense, but by all intelligence agencies, the plotters have all been recognized, are all under surveillance and they have not been very careful. "

Was this the "War on Christmas" ...still 3 nukes missing, it says.

[161803398]

Just remembering the West Point Day care case in the 80s: http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/day-care-and-child-abuse-cases/

[Rocky_Shorz]

so according to Iran, the elites are going to move forward with WW III no matter which man wins the election?

Fulford is reporting this in different words, their desperation is getting to the point of insane...

the Mayans say the end of Evil's Rule is less than a few months away, let's hope we all survive this insanity...

[161803398]

I think not. Obama will not attack Iran. I think there will be no WWIII unless Romney gets elected because he supports this fringe group of Republican lunatics that have been tormenting us for so many years.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I know Obama is for pulling out of all wars, but I'm talking if they go for an insane mutiny, or assassination...

I have no doubt they are capable of stupidity, the question is can we stop it?

Nuke attack in DC taking out the President, the whole country would say ok to a counter strike against Iran...

led by media, the sheeples would quietly follow...

[Tangri]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/29/269376/us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty/
Turkey is to attack Syria with aid from Israel and civil war between the Kurdish regional government and the national government in Baghdad is to begin with the US brokering a peace and re-establishing what “newly appointed President Romney” would describe as the “Status of Forces Agreement” he mentioned during the debates.
"Was this the "War on Christmas" ...still 3 nukes missing, it says.
I am going to debate only this part of the statement. It discredits the rest of it for me.
Israel and Turkey agreement on Syria issue is a Hollywood scenario. People with no knowledge about the region can dream about it . Israel supports DPK-PKK which supports Syrian regime, USA supports and finance Al qaeda against the regime and Turkey supports Turkmens and sunnie arabs against to regime.
Rest of it, you can use it at any dream.

Love and Hope

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The different branches of the military are made up of smaller factions and they do not share the same agendas. Some are loyal to Obama, some are loyal to the constitutional power structure, and some have other masters.

The amount of coordination that would be required to stage a coup would have to be enormous, especially since no matter who the president was, massive coordination would be required to quell civil unrest as state after state seceded.

Power can never be seized outright by the U.S. military without a full scale civil war and foreign involvement.

[Arrowwind]

What we need are thousands of citizens groups each taking on a different issue and start taking our elected officials to trial. The biggest one going on right now is in Canada, taking the Cheney group and 9/11 to task. Too many remain silent and inactive. Although I consider this incident relatively minor in the face of all that is before us, it is worthy of note and Im glad that this citizens Grand Jury is doing at least something. I wonder if a grand jury will come to task regarding this recent incident in Lybia with the death of our Ambasador and other US citizens.

[161803398]

But 9/11 was a fairly well coordinated effort. Two planes, a missile and some absurd propaganda were enough to convince the American people to go to war with Iraq. What would 3 nuclear bombs be able to accomplish?

[Rocky_Shorz]

NCIS LA was about 8 Nukes inside the US...

Hollywood giving us a heads up?

[ThePythonicCow]

But 9/11 was a fairly well coordinated effort. Two planes, a missile and some absurd propaganda were enough to convince the American people to go to war with Iraq. What would 3 nuclear bombs be able to accomplish?

Deep terrorizing magic - splits the psyche - both collectively and individually. It requires doing something that is truly stunning, truly awful, and truly outside the functioning conscious mind to explain. Such magic is a form of Terra-forming, not of the planet, but of humanity.

[161803398]

Here is the Syrian Girl with a different idea on the subject of Israel and Syria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?CxL3sZG-unM

She says it is a "myth" that Israel has nothing to do with what is going on in Syria, however, this is a subject about which I know nada except that I have little trust in appearances.

Also, Iran and Syria are allies and, if you look at a map, Syria is kind of in between Israel and Iran.

[161803398]

Straussians explained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?3tON81U-A40

My understanding of the Straussians is that they view humans as nothing more than elaborate sponges (no soul), hence, there is nothing wrong with killing us.

[GoodETxSG]

WOW,
The election groups are pumping out BS and Bumper Stickers as fast as they can... Stupid/Crazy and Insulting read as a Military Intel Spec. I have never seen a time including post 911 where the BS was being pushed out in such truck loads and the info coming from all directions. They are trying to find something that will "stick" and these "Fear Bombs" are their favorite tool right now.

[Lifebringer]

Heavenly Father of all that is good and just in the creation, is this to happen to even more innocents? We ask for Diviine Intervention to stop this phychotic maladjusted menace to civilizations around the world. This is OUR world God, you gave it to us for experience and peace, and WE the humans of the planet, have yet to experience either since the beginning of time here. Please put a stop to those creating the chaos, mass murder of innocents and remove them from OUR sight and Yours forever. WE cannot do this alone, for we are but babes in the Universe yearning for Your truth, and Your word. Help US/Humans oh God and Creator of mercy and justice. We beseech you to intervene on our behalf in mercy and justice, that we the creation will KNOW your are OUR God and show mercy on those who know not what they do, or did.
Int the name of your Heavenly Son, Yashuah/Jesus, we pray in love.

Amen.

[Flash]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/29/269376/us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty/
Turkey is to attack Syria with aid from Israel and civil war between the Kurdish regional government and the national government in Baghdad is to begin with the US brokering a peace and re-establishing what “newly appointed President Romney” would describe as the “Status of Forces Agreement” he mentioned during the debates.
"Was this the "War on Christmas" ...still 3 nukes missing, it says.
I am going to debate only this part of the statement. It discredits the rest of it for me.
Israel and Turkey agreement on Syria issue is a Hollywood scenario. People with no knowledge about the region can dream about it . Israel supports DPK-PKK which supports Syrian regime, USA supports and finance Al qaeda against the regime and Turkey supports Turkmens and sunnie arabs against to regime.
Rest of it, you can use it at any dream.

Love and Hope

true although Turks had befriended Israel for a good while because of commerce amongst other things. But usually, Turks support Turks first and foremost, independently of the outisde influences.

[Lifebringer]

Focusing on changing the chemistry/chemicals that make the nuke material, to denuke it to a harmless substance like coffee, to wake them up, a sorta wet the gunpowder theory of mind, focusing to render them harmless, where ever and in whoever's hands they are in now. Eventually the evil incarnate will brag and threaten the world and make itself known. This may be that signal.
Good vs Evil, when too much is still hidden, can make serious injury. Focusing on the malfunctioning of the nukes, is much safer, even the bioweapons can be repelled with natural remedies that safely remove them through waste. Like Garlic. It smells strong, for a reason.

May God be with US/World. Focus......

[Lifebringer]

They've already done 2 coups, we must stop them from engineering through Mitt Romney a 3rd push for the ptw....STOP!

I see kicking and screaming elites that have the button, but when pushing it, it doesn't work, because they used cheap parts, and it just fizzles and drops into the water harmlessly.

I'm focusing on the better Angels of our higherselves that have "service to others" in heart and mind. Focus....love...love....dismantle...gentle...love.....dismantle....gentle...LOVE!

[Lifebringer]

That is exactly how I feel about it, and it's clear as a bell, their lying campaign is now as desperate as the 60's and 1800's as far as caring for "minority humans who they deem usless eaters." WE must focus our minds and hearts, to allow God entry into the riff to persecute and remove them. The hearts and mind must be open to peace to recieve an answer.

[risveglio]

I sat talking with a rabid Fox watcher this weekend to pick her brain on what they've been programmed to and thought it was strange, they didn't know a town of 5700 people are boarding up and moving thanks to Romney shutting down a factory the day before the election and moving it to China...

he knows how to make money no matter what it takes... but he doesn't know how to create jobs...

she says we need to build up our military to protect our shores...

I asked if she understands the $2 Trillion is to get funds to start new wars in Iran and Pakistan...

I asked how Romney was going to put our kids to work, she said she didn't know...

I said he is going to put them all in uniforms hand them a gun and send them off into war...

his plans for putting kids to work, are not the plans America needs right now...

by the time I finished she had a whole new understanding, but then she whispers, I won't vote for a man that wasn't born in America...

I laughed turned on Fox so she could sip some more cool aid...

unbelievable...

True but if you are watching MSNBC and think Obama is going to be any better you are drinking the same kool-aid

[Rocky_Shorz]

.


True but if you are watching MSNBC and think Obama is going to be any better you are drinking the same kool-aid

I see Obama shutting down the wars, I hear Romney telling us he needs 2 Trillion dollars for the next 10 years of the elites plans, which is to attack Iran and Pakistan which will trigger WW III

if you can't see the difference, you are looking with your eyes and ears closed...

Romney is fighting for oil cartels and thinks the Federal Reserve is doing a great job...

the economy is growing, soldiers coming back from wars are being placed into jobs...

we don't need more wars, we have thousands of wells capped because oil men are waiting for the price of oil to hit $200 a barrel

without WW III it will never get there...

[risveglio]

Cause you see the world with your rosy colored big D glasses. Obama is not ending any wars and has no intention to. They have the same boss.


Also the economy is not getting better the dollar is just getting weaker and the vets i know are not getting jobs they are just getting really bad drugs forced down their throat.

[161803398]

WOW,
The election groups are pumping out BS and Bumper Stickers as fast as they can... Stupid/Crazy and Insulting read as a Military Intel Spec. I have never seen a time including post 911 where the BS was being pushed out in such truck loads and the info coming from all directions. They are trying to find something that will "stick" and these "Fear Bombs" are their favorite tool right now.

I would be interested to know what in particular is insulting about this article. I was highly insulted by the American government's explanation for 9/11. I found it contemptuous. But I don't find this so. This, to me, seems at least a logical possibility. So, if it is insulting, there is something missing in my information. Can anyone fill me in?

I should add that I have no problem with the possibility that certain well known individuals would be behind a threat to America with a nuclear weapon, particularly at this critical point, if threatened themselves, given what they have already done.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Heavenly Father of all that is good and just in the creation, is this to happen to even more innocents? We ask for Diviine Intervention to stop this phychotic maladjusted menace to civilizations around the world. This is OUR world God, you gave it to us for experience and peace, and WE the humans of the planet, have yet to experience either since the beginning of time here. Please put a stop to those creating the chaos, mass murder of innocents and remove them from OUR sight and Yours forever. WE cannot do this alone, for we are but babes in the Universe yearning for Your truth, and Your word. Help US/Humans oh God and Creator of mercy and justice. We beseech you to intervene on our behalf in mercy and justice, that we the creation will KNOW your are OUR God and show mercy on those who know not what they do, or did.
Int the name of your Heavenly Son, Yashuah/Jesus, we pray in love.

Amen.

God could be standing talking to you and never be noticed...

this Category 5 Hurricane rolled in as a 1, coincidence? ;)

[161803398]

Rocky: People are often dismissive about the idea that God intervenes in events but I can say, from professional experience, that when you do things right with a good intention, the evil people start to self destruct. Its a rule. I always tell people it is the "forces of the universe" that will step in to help. It is, in fact, miraculous.

[161803398]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/31/press-tv-us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty-to-topple-obama/

[ThePythonicCow]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/29/269376/us-military-planned-mutiny-on-the-bounty/

"Today, key members of the military more loyal to Israel and Wall Street than the United States are said to be planning a mutiny to take place after the presidential election.
A second thread opened up on this same subject, here: Alleged: Admiral fired in wake of mutiny plot to overthrow US Gov't (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51538-Alleged-Admiral-fired-in-wake-of-mutiny-plot-to-overthrow-US-Gov-t).

(It's too late now to be worth merging them ... that's OK.)

[Operator]

Was this the "War on Christmas" ...still 3 nukes missing, it says.

Where did you get this last quote from? I didn't find it in the linked article ....

I recently listened to hour 1 of this interview:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/10/RIR-121025.php

Title of the show: Kent Bain & Kris Millegan .. 9/11: Mega Occult Ritual & Black Christmas

Excerpt from the intro text:


Later, Bain warns of a possible new and even more horrifying act of mass terror, coming this Christmas to Phoenix, AZ and the rest of the world. He refers to it as Black Christmas.

There's a potential valuable link .... :eek:

[Operator]

Additionally ... it makes sense from a ritualistic perspective to involve (a) Phoenix ... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Title of the show: Kent Bain & Kris Millegan .. 9/11: Mega Occult Ritual & Black Christmas

Excerpt from the intro text:


Later, Bain warns of a possible new and even more horrifying act of mass terror, coming this Christmas to Phoenix, AZ and the rest of the world. He refers to it as Black Christmas.

There's a potential valuable link .... :eek:

See my post on that warning here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50811-Obama-s-ring-There-is-no-god-but-Allah-..---&p=568184&viewfull=1#post568184).

I have that book now :). I sincerely hope it does not become a collectors item.

[161803398]

Where did you get this last quote from? I didn't find it in the linked article .... Obama said that he was going to "win the war on Christmas" in his second term. The statement doesn't make any sense. But if the writer of the mutiny article is right about Obama knowing about the plan for some time; then I would take Obama's statement to be directed at the perpetrators, ie. I know what you are up to. Sounds very conspiratorial but some of the facts of 9/11 certainly encourage that way of thinking. Obama's statement is mentioned in the book about the 9/11 ritual. I believe that 9/11 was a ritual for my own reasons but the book is fascinating and makes more sense than I've heard for years. The one thing I would differ with Bain on is that I think there could be another group either fighting it out for control of the new age or simply responding to the attack. There seems to be something like a gang war going on between them. There are certainly other groups as well...for example, the Theosophists are trying to bring Jesus back. But they aren't the murdering scumbags who have been terrorizing the world for decades.

[WhiteFeather]

Not sure if this was posted yet, excuse if it has. It was posted on Kerry's Blog dated October 29, 2012.


The Miami Herald

http://www.citizensgrandjury.com/images/posts/133.jpg


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/30/3074324/citizens-grand-jury-indicts-obama.html#storylink=cpy

BY LARRY KLAYMAN
OCALA, Fla., Oct. 30, 2012 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Larry Klayman, founder and chairman of Freedom Watch, today announced that President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have been criminally indicted for having willfully released classified national security information concerning the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound, U.S. and Israeli war plans concerning Iran and their cyber-attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. The release of this information, among other harm to U.S. national security, resulted in the killing of members of Seal Team Six by terrorists and the arrest and imprisonment of American covert agents by Pakistan, such as the doctor who aided the CIA with regard to the bin Laden assassination. U.S.-Israeli war plans with Iran have also been compromised.

A true bill of indictment was issued by a Citizens' Grand Jury in Ocala, Florida, who reviewed evidence and voted unanimously to indict Obama and Biden at 6:02 pm on October 29, 2012.

The authority for a Citizens' Grand Jury can be found at www.citizensgrandjury.com.

The criminal defendants, Obama and Biden, will now be given notice of their indictment, arraigned and then tried for their alleged crimes.

Mr. Klayman, the Citizens' Prosecutor, issued the following statement: "The Citizens' Grand Jury, after having deliberated, yesterday issued a true bill of indictment. See www.citizensgrandjury.com It did the work that the government should have done, but does not have the integrity to do; that is hold these public officials accountable under the law. For far too long government prosecutors, who are put in place by politicians, have looked the other way as high public officials like Obama and Biden violate the law to further their political agendas. Now, as a result, the people must therefore exercise the rights given to them by the framers of the Constitution, and themselves take legitimate measures to restore the nation to some semblance of legality. This indictment (see www.citizensgrandjury.com) of Obama and Biden is just the first step in a legal revolution to reclaim the nation from establishment politicians, government officials and judges who have represented only their own political and other interests at the expense of 'We the People.' Obama and Biden will now be tried in a court of law and I am confident that they will be convicted of these alleged crimes."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/30/3074324/citizens-grand-jury-indicts-obama.html#storylink=cpy

And Here: http://www.istockanalyst.com/business/news/6114637/citizens-grand-jury-indicts-obama-and-biden

And Here: http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-and-biden-indicted-by-florida-grand-jury/


View Signed Indictment PDF Below

http://www.citizensgrandjury.com/pdf/121101-Citizens%20Grand%20Jury%20Indictment.pdf

Time to indict the political class!
By Larry Klayman
April 20, 2012

With government corruption and treasonous acts running rampant, particularly with regard to President Obama and his administration, many have asked what ordinary American citizens can do to legally mete out justice. Short of violent revolution, there is only one strong legal mechanism that can be invoked. That is the so-called "citizens grand jury," by which Americans themselves can enforce the law. This is our only recourse to hold the president and his accomplices truly accountable for their actions. Over the years, impeachment has not worked, nor has any other means to address crimes at the presidential and other high levels of government.

In this regard, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution establishes that "no person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury." A proper understanding of the effect of this requirement begins with the common law, since, as Supreme Court Justice Learned Hand stated in In re Kittle, "we took the [grand jury] as we found it in our English inheritance, and he best serves the Constitution who most faithfully follows its historical significance."

The grand jury dates back at least to 1166, under the Norman kings of England. These earliest grand juries were convened to provide answers from local representatives concerning royal property rights, but developed into a body of 12 men who presented indictments at the request of either private individuals or the king's prosecutor. (Susan W Brenner & Gregor G. Lockhart, "Federal Grand Jury: A Guide to Law and Practice," 4 [1996]). The Magna Carta granted individuals the right to stand before a grand jury to be charged of their crimes. (Id)

By 1681, an important characteristic of the grand jury had developed: the rule of secrecy. This characteristic set up the grand jury as a bulwark against government abuse. Grand juries were designed to exclude all outside persons, including the government's prosecutors, ensuring that all phases of an investigation (not just deliberation) remained secret. Thus, English grand juries functioned to prevent prosecutorial abuses by blocking the king's attempts to prosecute.

This tradition was continued and expanded by colonial grand juries. In America, the grand jury originally began as a defense against the monarchy and was arguably even more independent than the English grand jury of the 1600s. American grand juries initiated prosecutions against corrupt agents of the government, often in response to complaints from individuals. For example, a Massachusetts grand jury refused to indict the organizers of the Stamp Act rebellion. (See Roger Roots, "If It's Not A Runaway, It's Not A Real Grand Jury," 33 Creighton L. Rev. 821, 832). Four years later, another Massachusetts grand jury indicted some British soldiers located within the city boundaries for alleged crimes against the colonists, but refused to treat certain colonialists who had been charged by the British authorities for inciting desertion in a like manner. Similarly, a Philadelphia grand jury condemned the use of the tea tax to compensate British officials, encouraged a rejection of all British goods and called for organization with other colonies to demand redress of grievances.

By the dawn of the 20th century, the powerful role of the grand jury had come to be established law. In 1902, a Minneapolis grand jury, acting on its own initiative, hired private detectives and collected enough evidence to indict the mayor and force the police chief to resign.

In Frisbie v. United States, Supreme Court Justice David Brewer declared that "in this country it is for the grand jury to investigate any alleged crime, no matter how or by whom suggested to them, and after determining that the evidence is sufficient to justify putting the suspected party on trial, to direct the preparation of the formal charge or indictment." [157 U.S. 160 (1895)]

Again, in Hale v. Henkel, Supreme Court Justice Henry Brown stated that "we deem it entirely clear that under the practice in this country, at least, the examination of witnesses need not be preceded by a presentment or indictment formally drawn up, but that the grand jury may proceed, either upon their own knowledge or upon the examination of witnesses, to inquire for themselves whether a crime cognizable by the court has been committed." [201 U.S. 43 (1906)]

More recently, in United States v. Williams, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia held, writing for the majority of the court, that "[t]he grand jury's functional independence from the Judicial Branch is evident both in the scope of its power to investigate criminal wrongdoing and in the manner in which that power is exercised. 'Unlike [a] court, whose jurisdiction is predicated upon a specific case or controversy, the grand jury "can investigate merely on suspicion that the law is being violated, or even because it wants assurance that it is not."'" [504 U.S. 36, 48 (1992) (quoting United States v. R. Enterprises, Inc., 498 U.S. 292, 297 (1991)]

Speaking of the origins of the grand jury, Scalia also found that "the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right. In fact the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the government and the people. Although the grand jury normally operates, of course, in the courthouse and under judicial auspices, its institutional relationship with the Judicial Branch has been, so to speak, at arm's length. Judges' direct involvement in the functioning of the grand jury has generally been confined to the constitutive one of calling the grand jurors together and administering their oaths of office." [ Id. at 47]

Although the customary practice for summoning a federal grand jury is by a court (see Rule 6 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, or FRCP), such action is mandatory "when the public interest so requires." Regardless, the FRCP does not preclude citizens from exercising their own rights to impanel grand juries under the Constitution. [See, i.e. Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803), establishing the doctrine of judicial review.] Thus, it is clear that citizens themselves can impanel a grand jury, and if a true bill of indictment results, the courts are technically required to commence proceedings and the executive branch to enforce the court's edicts. However, if the courts refuse and the executive branch does not carry out its duties by, for instance, arresting the criminally accused, Americans do have a right to make "citizens arrests," hold trials and legally mete out punishment in their own right. Indeed, this is what occurred in the western part of the United States, in particular, during our early years as a nation — before there was a developed federal court system and executive branch.

Given the increasingly corrupt and treasonous actions of our public officials, which have nearly destroyed our republic, and the almost complete breakdown of the justice system as run by the government, the time has come for we Americans to rise up and use the God-given rights left to us by our founders. We can do this by using citizen-impanelled and administered grand juries to hold presidents like Obama and others at the highest levels of government accountable for the crimes that have driven our nation to the brink of extinction.

http://www.citizensgrandjury.com/120420-klayman.php

[Billy]

Already posted by Kimberley

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51507-News-Citizens-Grand-Jury-Indicts-Obama-and-Biden&p=576850&highlight=#post576850

[ThePythonicCow]

Not sure if this was posted yet, excuse if it has. It was posted on Kerry's Blog dated October 29, 2012.

Already posted by Kimberley

I merged WhiteFeather's new thread into Kimberley's existing thread.

Thanks for noticing, billyji.

[we-R-one]

I had heard about this group around the time of my involvement with the Tim Turner enclave....so that would have been about, 2 years ago. I lost track of their efforts. My only question is, what's the plan for enforcement? Just a "wee" little issue to take into consideration. I'll admit I'm too lazy to read all the links provided, so apologies in advance if the answer lies within. I wish them well.

[SilentFeathers]

What do you think? Obama or Romney?

Personally I think Romney will win, I do not comprehend how Obama got into office to begin with and if Obama gets a second term, I won't be able to comprehend how that'll come to be either....

The lesser of two evils? hmmm? Is Romney the lesser of two evils? I doubt it. They both serve the same master in my opinion, it's all a bad joke....and so are the many sleeping sheeple who think getting an Obama free phone is what it's all about!....or free health care???? I have yet to see where this ObamaCare is free! Most do not have a clue to what is going on whether it be choking down the red pill or choking down the blue pill, actually most swallow these pills quite easily.

It would be wise to refuse both pills, it is not about choosing one or the other, it is about knowing what's best for your own survival and refusing the poison period!

Here's an article that makes a lot of sense;


Election predictions: The candidate in favor of GMOs, bankster bailouts and corporate domination will win!

I'm going to make a bold prediction about the outcome of the upcoming U.S. election: The winner will be the guy who supports GMOs and bankster bailouts. Which candidate is this? Well BOTH of them, of course.

In fact, I'm also 100% sure the winner will be the candidate who is in favor of going to war with Iran.

The winner will also be the guy in favor of increasing the size of government, either through entitlements or military spending.

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My Prediction: All in all I see Romney winning this election, and I also see a major problem about it too that may cause a huge uproar......the most ignorant of the ignorant will show their ignorant colors and ignorance will actually be the topic of the day, disguised by ignorance!

[jagman]

I do think Romney will win but its going to be a close call. I say by 3 points with 300 electorial votes.Romney Imo is controlled by certain Interests but the man has never done anything to me personally. I like his message of 12 million jobs. Obama's
message is a stale one. 4 more years of the same. We simply wouldnt survive.
This President is an absolute failure.I'm not happy about him being a failure. I was
very happy when he was elected. I thought he could unite us but instead he's
drove a great division in this country.

[WhiteFeather]

The lesser of the 2 poisons hopefully, Obama the Mens-room cologne and towel clerk. Romney is one of Big Daddy Bush's Gangsters.
Google "Romney Panama" then you will understand.....

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I think Obama will win the election. I'm voting Rogers / Stark.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/GoD/img/2012/08/2012-08-26-rogers_stark_2012.jpg

[Prodigal Son]

I think that there are warring factions behind the scenes, with the Bush/neocon military/industrial complex warmongering crime syndicate backing Romney and the slightly more benevolent CFR/George Soros gang backing Obama. Romney gets in and we have an attack on Iran and probably WWIII. Another 4 years for Obama and we have a chance to prevent blowing up the planet. Romney is a sick bastard... not that it matters, just a more dangerous puppet....