Barack Obama 2012

[justalight]

Here in Germany, the US election is really a big thing in the mainstream media today.
They did report, that Romney want to shut down the FEMA. Concerning further plans and the role of the FEMA I personally can not believe Romney will be it. Me as a person I don´t believe that any person involved in politics on the international stage will change the world into a paradise.

[SilentFeathers]

I think that there are warring factions behind the scenes, with the Bush/neocon military/industrial complex warmongering crime syndicate backing Romney and the slightly more benevolent CFR/George Soros gang backing Obama. Romney gets in and we have an attack on Iran and probably WWIII. Another 4 years for Obama and we have a chance to prevent blowing up the planet. Romney is a sick bastard... not that it matters, just a more dangerous puppet....

I think Obama allowing BP to dictate the Gulf disaster scenario is proof enough for me that Dubya and Obama have shared the same bed before....

Romney says he'll repeal ObamaCare, yeah right! Romney put the same thing in place in Massachusetts....these creeps are LIARS period!....or should I simply just say "ACTORS"?

Dubya and Bama are portrayed as two completely different agendas/individuals, but they're not.....Dubya set the stage for Obama to shift the momentum of the transferring of wealth and the climax to the greatest rip off in human history and Obama made it so.....Obama basically finished the ripoff and made "amnesty" a reality for all those involved.....

Obama was basically allowed to sit in the white house to manipulate the masses and brainwash them in to believing another lie....and to bring racism back in to the mix...among many other things to divide us.

Some radical/racist whites will say "Look who destroyed the nation! a black man!!!!" and the radical/racist blacks will say whitey set him up and framed him.

I've seen racism like I've never seen before since Obama became president.

I do think Romney may win and it may start a race war and riots everywhere.....it's part of the plan.

....and if you really think about it, if Obama somehow wins, the same dynamics are in place for the same results to happen if Romney would of won..(regarding the race issue and anger between party supporters...I do think it'll be a worse situation if Romney wins though.

TBTB (the bastards that be) are quite efficient in their sick agenda....

[GCS1103]

I agree that the two puppet candidates are controlled by the same evildoers behind the scenes. I just can't take another 4 years of the puppet that's in the White House now. I will be voting "against" him, when I vote for Romney. I have spent the last 25 years in my profession, as an attorney, working with the banking industry. I'm not talking about branch managers, but high up on the food chain- the guys that get the luxury boxes at the stadiums, etc. If anyone here actually believes that the banksters are not pulling Obama's strings, you are very mistaken. He is loved by the wall street guys and the banking industry. He's no different than Romney in that respect. We can't fall into that old trap of party ideology - we need to see both of these men with objective eyes, absent all party designations.

As far as Romney being a "sick bastard," that's a sweeping condemnation that has no merit. It's nothing more than one's personal opinion, to which you're entitled to. But posting our opinions does not make them facts. I could say the same thing about Pres. Obama and it would have no more credence than what anyone else here says, because it's just my opinion. We should all be careful about throwing around statements without clarifying that. Unless someone here has access to Romney's medical records that confirms he's a sick bastard???;)

[bram]

I think the Republican-Democrat Alliance party will win again and the status quo will continue to continue.

[Matisse]

I think any president of the u.s. have their strings pulled by the big banksters, as most all presidents in the world, as they have the power over the economy it makes it easy to presure.
But I think that Romney is a dangerous person, what most concerns me is that with Romney we will be headed into ww3, where with obama it's only maybe.
Which is the least of two evils?
As far as Obama being loved by wall street, Romney is also loved by drug trafickers http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/17/la-times-romneys-a-drug-money-launderer/

[MistahMojoRisin]

nothing will change until we the people of the US ask for neither Democrat or Republican. It is a bait and switch game in my opinion. I won't say they all are "evil" , I would say there are strong influences dictationg the outcomes and steering the politics as they see fit.
Anyone watching "the men who built America" on History channel? watch the next episode when we learn about how JP Morgan Chase, Carnogie and Rockafeller merge there money and power to put a presidant in the white house. This is the root of the secret powerhouses in my opinion, the same families and influences that today have Sway over us.

In conclusion We all in America need to do whatever it takes to take parties out of the running, vote on the person, there policy and we need to get the the current news OUT OF THE NEWS! in the 70's there were over 22 companies involved in getting us news, Today, 5 corperations give us all our news spoon fed. This is the major Illusion on society, the illusion that most accept as there reality.
Votiong or even debating Republican or Democrat (IMO) is like the debate in "stand by me" when the boys walk the train tracks and argue "superman could beat up mighty mouse". THEY ARE BOTH IMAGIONARY PUPPETS! LOOK FOR THE STRINGS!
With that said I may vote for my high school social studies teacher, he is a great guy and this way I still exercise my vote as an American without adding to the accepted illusionary puppet show.

Wow , I just ranted, sorry, totally not like me.
-Peace and Love-
Mojo

[Chester]

I personally want Mitt as I am a GHWB fan and that's who he endorsed, but my head tells me Obama has it sewed up based on my analysis of the bookmaker markets (as noted in the other thread) and my belief that the PTBs want a socialized world managed by one government. I am sure I will upset a few friends I have here by stating who I wanted and why but clearly i don't care what people think as much as I care about being honest.

Now if I was asked who I would rather go party one night with... that would probably be Obama, especially if Hillary came along. I just think they would be more entertaining party monsters. Anyways, I apologize if my last comment was a tiny derail. Cheers, Chester

[bram]

I remember seeing Jesse Ventura on RT recently suggesting that politicians should follow the example of racing drivers and wear outfits bearing advertisements from their sponsors- the size of the advert relative to the amount of the sponsorship. Would love to see that!!

[SilentFeathers]

I personally want Mitt as I am a GHWB fan and that's who he endorsed, but my head tells me Obama has it sewed up based on my analysis of the bookmaker markets (as noted in the other thread) and my belief that the PTBs want a socialized world managed by one government. I am sure I will upset a few friends I have here by stating who I wanted and why but clearly i don't care what people think as much as I care about being honest.

Now if I was asked who I would rather go party one night with... that would probably be Obama, especially if Hillary came along. I just think they would be more entertaining party monsters. Anyways, I apologize if my last comment was a tiny derail. Cheers, Chester

I'm sure going to a party with Obama would be much more exciting than going to a party with Romney!

But it's still the same party! drinking and spilling blood with jihadists or drinking and spilling blood with satanists!!!! There'd be more fireworks at the Obama party....the Romney party would likely just be one big "flash" and it'd be time to go home! or for an urn....

[Lefty Dave]

I think the Republicrats want their toys back, having let the 'patsy' take the heat for the last four years,...We, wife and I, as usual, have voted for Ron Paul...wrote in his name...wife is a democrat, I a Constitution party supporter....(and just right of Atila the Hun ! LOL),...to me.. the federal branch was to regulate a fighting force for defense of nation, make pleasantries with other nations, and to keep states playing nice with each other...they were NEVER supposed to morph into a government (of redundancy) that controlled the states and the citizens...and in all honesty, I don't think life would be altered much if Washington DC was decommissioned and played no part in the lives of American citizens. Who can argue that the politics of America is so convoluted and absurd today, that most folks are just tired of it all. The separation of powers is a joke...the moves the federal govt have made these last 50 years has only hurt the country as a whole, and Americans in general...but hey, that's just me....I could be all wrong. ! ugh!

[bram]

But it's still the same party! drinking and spilling blood with jihadists or drinking and spilling blood with satanists!!!! There'd be more fireworks at the Obama party....the Romney party would likely just be one big "flash" and it'd be time to go home! or for an urn....

But the jihadists would be drinking orange juice, so I guess the party with satanists would be much livelier??

[SilentFeathers]

I guess it may be time to prove Romney a liar! 4 years of this dude has been enough for me!

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/fkCPRXDbOcy1FwUnzcgs3Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zODg7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/eee55a2de4cfc11e1f0f6a706700c5ad.jpg

[GCS1103]

nothing will change until we the people of the US ask for neither Democrat or Republican. It is a bait and switch game in my opinion. I won't say they all are "evil" , I would say there are strong influences dictationg the outcomes and steering the politics as they see fit.
Anyone watching "the men who built America" on History channel? watch the next episode when we learn about how JP Morgan Chase, Carnogie and Rockafeller merge there money and power to put a presidant in the white house. This is the root of the secret powerhouses in my opinion, the same families and influences that today have Sway over us.

In conclusion We all in America need to do whatever it takes to take parties out of the running, vote on the person, there policy and we need to get the the current news OUT OF THE NEWS! in the 70's there were over 22 companies involved in getting us news, Today, 5 corperations give us all our news spoon fed. This is the major Illusion on society, the illusion that most accept as there reality.
Votiong or even debating Republican or Democrat (IMO) is like the debate in "stand by me" when the boys walk the train tracks and argue "superman could beat up mighty mouse". THEY ARE BOTH IMAGIONARY PUPPETS! LOOK FOR THE STRINGS!
With that said I may vote for my high school social studies teacher, he is a great guy and this way I still exercise my vote as an American without adding to the accepted illusionary puppet show.

Wow , I just ranted, sorry, totally not like me.
-Peace and Love-
Mojo

It was a good rant.....

[we-R-one]

As far as Romney being a "sick bastard," that's a sweeping condemnation that has no merit. It's nothing more than one's personal opinion, to which you're entitled to. But posting our opinions does not make them facts.

Mitt Romney's Dog Incident Comes Back To Haunt Him
"When Mitt Romney strapped his Irish setter to the roof of his car in 1983 and drove all the way to Canada as the dog defecated in fear, he couldn't have guessed his decision would follow him for decades, enraging animal lovers and raising
questions about his character and management style."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/mitt-romneys-dog-incident_n_1187114.html

I dunno....sounds pretty sick to me. I mean who does that? Lmao

Regardless of who you vote for when you "acquiesce" to the system you are giving your implied consent, for the de facto government to continue it's unlawful reign, it's a shame that more people don't understand this.

[SilentFeathers]

According to my wife, I have to vote!.....sheesh!

Talk about sticking an ice pick in my eye!

One could not participate but what good would that do? either Laurel or Hardy will be our next president...there is no surprise and a 3rd person stealing the show!

Shall I defy my wife and choose not to vote? regardless, I will probably vote for Romney just to take a vote away from Obama and feel guilty for choosing what I feel, the lesser of two evils.....or the one that will shift the fall in to another speed of decent. Either way, the downhill slide continues.

Even the sleeping will see soon, the truth of what is wrong.....

[we-R-one]

Your wife tells you how to think? nuh uh? I'll say it again:

Regardless of who you vote for when you "acquiesce" to the system you are giving your implied consent, for the de facto government to continue it's unlawful reign, it's a shame that more people don't understand this.

[SilentFeathers]

Your wife tells you how to think? nuh uh? I'll say it again:

Regardless of who you vote for when you "acquiesce" to the system you are giving your implied consent, for the de facto government to continue it's unlawful reign, it's a shame that more people don't understand this.

My wife DOES NOT tell me how to think! She simply implied me to vote. No one tells me HOW TO THINK!

[GCS1103]

As far as Romney being a "sick bastard," that's a sweeping condemnation that has no merit. It's nothing more than one's personal opinion, to which you're entitled to. But posting our opinions does not make them facts.

Mitt Romney's Dog Incident Comes Back To Haunt Him
"When Mitt Romney strapped his Irish setter to the roof of his car in 1983 and drove all the way to Canada as the dog defecated in fear, he couldn't have guessed his decision would follow him for decades, enraging animal lovers and raising
questions about his character and management style."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/mitt-romneys-dog-incident_n_1187114.html

I dunno....sounds pretty sick to me. I mean who does that? Lmao

Regardless of who you vote for when you "acquiesce" to the system you are giving your implied consent, for the de facto government to continue it's unlawful reign, it's a shame that more people don't understand this.

You're right, that was a terrible thing to do with his dog....but then again, Obama ate dog, so I guess they're both sick.

As to voting, we're all entitled to our opinion on that. I agree that my individual vote has no bearing on the outcome, but I enjoy that fact that I can vote. What statement do we make if we stay home on November 6th? Will it have any effect on the political process that we have in place here in this country? Like it or not, our government will continue to run as they want it to, and non-voters and voters alike will have to abide by the rules set in place. My voting in an election doesn't mean I accept the system; but how will I help change it by sitting home on Tuesday?

[we-R-one]

Well that's good to know, because when you said this..."According to my wife, I have to vote!....." It made it sound like you didn't have a choice.

[SilentFeathers]

acquiesce; that is the problem...damned if you do or damned if you don't....what are you doing that'll change the world?

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Well that's good to know, because when you said this..."According to my wife, I have to vote!....." It made it sound like you didn't have a choice.

If I choose not to vote I will not be scolded and put in time out.......

[jagman]

You have to play the cards your dealt. Until a dynamic third party candidate of the people is chosen we will all just have to grin and bear it. Anyway havent you heard the world is ending in Dec 21 2012 lol this could be a short lived Presidency

[we-R-one]

As to voting, we're all entitled to our opinion on that. I agree that my individual vote has no bearing on the outcome, but I enjoy that fact that I can vote. What statement do we make if we stay home on November 6th? Will it have any effect on the political process that we have in place here in this country? Like it or not, our government will continue to run as they want it to, and non-voters and voters alike will have to abide by the rules set in place. My voting in an election doesn't mean I accept the system; but how will I help change it by sitting home on Tuesday?

Black's Law Dictionary 5th edition:

GOVERNMENT DE FACTO-(this is how we've been set up): A government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the constitution of the nation, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful, or deemed wrongful or unjust, which, nevertheless, receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.

PLEASE NOTE LAST SENTENCE....."receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." THIS IS REFERRING TO "WE THE PEOPLE". WE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER SO WE ARE OBEDIENT.


Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.


My voting in an election doesn't mean I accept the system; but how will I help change it by sitting home on Tuesday?

According to the definition above it does, but then again it's all based on interpretive ruling which is part of the reason we're in this big mess, I would think you having a legal background would understand this, no?

[SilentFeathers]

You have to play the cards your dealt. Until a dynamic third party candidate of the people is chosen we will all just have to grin and bear it. Anyway havent you heard the world is ending in Dec 21 2012 lol this could be a short lived Presidency

I really don't see that a third party will even make a difference, why even need a party? why not just have a purpose?

Like a "Justice" for the constitution?...and out lawing any party that threatens it.... :)

[SilentFeathers]

There is a reason this book is called "Blacks Law"

[we-R-one]

acquiesce; that is the problem...damned if you do or damned if you don't....what are you doing that'll change the world?[COLOR="red"]

Currently I'm helping clean up the mess that the big banksters have created by clouding just about every homeowners title they could get their hands on. I'm also the founder of the GOOOH chapter for my state and the founder of a large patriot group in my area. GOOOH stands for Get Out of Our House, a plan to evict all members of the house of respresentatives. You can read more here www.goooh.com.

And you?

[we-R-one]

In fact I'd be quite interested in knowning what everyone on this thread is doing to help? Just curious, I like to see who's walking the walk and talking the talk.

[SilentFeathers]

acquiesce; that is the problem...damned if you do or damned if you don't....what are you doing that'll change the world?[COLOR="red"]

Currently I'm helping clean up the mess that the big banksters have created by clouding just about every homeowners title they could get their hands on. I'm also the founder of the GOOOH chapter for my state and the founder of a large patriot group in my area. GOOOH stands for Get Out of Our House, a plan to evict all members of the house of respresentatives. You can read more here www.goooh.com.

And you?

I honestly think that you really don't care what I do to help or change things, but I assure you I have made a difference in many lives. I mainly work in the background helping those with children concerning legal matters, it is not a pretty situation in any regards.

[GCS1103]

As to voting, we're all entitled to our opinion on that. I agree that my individual vote has no bearing on the outcome, but I enjoy that fact that I can vote. What statement do we make if we stay home on November 6th? Will it have any effect on the political process that we have in place here in this country? Like it or not, our government will continue to run as they want it to, and non-voters and voters alike will have to abide by the rules set in place. My voting in an election doesn't mean I accept the system; but how will I help change it by sitting home on Tuesday?

Black Law's Dictionary 5th edition:

GOVERNMENT DE FACTO-(this is how we've been set up): A government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the constitution of the nation, or not lawfully entitled to recognition or supremacy, but which has nevertheless supplanted or displaced the government de jure. A government deemed unlawful, or deemed wrongful or unjust, which, nevertheless, receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community.

PLEASE NOTE LAST SENTENCE....."receives presently habitual obedience from the bulk of the community." THIS IS REFERRING TO "WE THE PEOPLE". WE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER SO WE ARE OBEDIENT.


Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.


My voting in an election doesn't mean I accept the system; but how will I help change it by sitting home on Tuesday?

According to the definition above it does, but then again it's all based on interpretive ruling which is part of the reason we're in this big mess, I would think you having a legal background would understand this, no?

We can go in circles on this, we-R-one. You're not going to change my mind and I have no interest in changing yours. Black's Law Dictionary is irrelevant to this argument and it's not as simplistic as a definition in Black's. What we "are" legally and how we are governed are not in sync. I chose to disagree with you, but I'll let you have the last word here. I think that may make you feel better.

[we-R-one]

Every bit of help matters, so I don't know why you would think I don't care. If someone is going to call me out on what I do, I would only hope they're doing something themselves. It matters not to me how big or small the project may be as we are all here to to play a role in one shape or another.

[SilentFeathers]

In fact I'd be quite interested in knowning what everyone on this thread is doing to help? Just curious, I like to see who's walking the walk and talking the talk.

Expressing common sense through words is more than many do....some step up and actually do more than planting seeds, some actually teach others how to plant.....to make others feel that they may actually be doing nothing when they are really trying is heartbreaking to say the least considering the state humanity is in right now...

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Every bit of help matters, so I don't know why you would think I don't care. If someone is going to call me out on what I do, I would only hope they're doing something themselves. It matters not to me how big or small the project may be as we are all here to to play a role in one shape or another.

Why are you calling me out? what I am doing really doesn't matter and it is really none of your business...
PS: I NEVER CALLED YOU OUT

[we-R-one]

We can go in circles on this, we-R-one. You're not going to change my mind and I have no interest in changing yours. Black's Law Dictionary is irrelevant to this argument and it's not as simplistic as a definition in Black's. What we "are" legally and how we are governed are not in sync. I chose to disagree with you, but I'll let you have the last word here. I think that may make you feel better.

You are free to think as you choose, I think you get where I'm coming from.....Legally we are slaves and are governed accordingly.

[we-R-one]

you asked me this....."what are you doing that'll change the world?" So I took that as you calling me out. I politely responded and I have politely thanked all your posts regardless of whether I agree with your statements or not. I have showed good faith.

[GCS1103]

I spend a good part of my time helping people who have lost their jobs, are losing their homes and frequently their marriages because of their financial problems. We negotiate with the lenders to painlessly get them out of their mortgages without foreclosure so that they can go on with their lives. I hold their hands through the nightmare that they are living with, take their lenders to court when necessary, and when it's all over, I have a friend/client for life. That's my contribution, and it's done on a large scale in my firm.

You do have a legitimate question about "walking the walk".

[we-R-one]

GCS, are you familiar with the problem of MERS? I have much information I could share with you that might help your clients even more. This thread is not the place as it's off topic, but if you're interested, send me a message and I'll give you what I got.

[SilentFeathers]

you asked me this....."what are you doing that'll change the world?" So I took that as you calling me out. I politely responded and I have politely thanked all your posts regardless of whether I agree with your statements or not. I have showed good faith.

We all do our best, to change the world or to change ourselves, it is all the same in my opinion.

I do what I do, you do what you do.... competition is not an option but does exist and creates conflict. Honor is what we need to respect, forgive me if I have dishonored you.

My life here on avalon is nothing to what I do on a daily basis, you would cry if you knew what I am involved with. Demons, sick people, deprived children, assholes, and plain sicko narcissistic people seem to be the theme of the day for me, not to mention dealing with a regular 8+ hr a day job running a business on the side....on a personal level I fight for what I believe in and more importantly, what is right in the eyes of others who try to do what is right for their own children and lives.....call me out? people have died around me trying to do what is right! Doing what is right is a dangerous thing for many now a days....

[GCS1103]

GCS, are you familiar with the problem of MERS? I have much information I could share with you that might help your clients even more. This thread is not the place as it's off topic, but if you're interested, send me a message and I'll give you what I got.

I would love to PM you and talk about MERS. We do a huge volume of short sale work, so any information you can pass along would be wonderful. Anything that would benefit these clients, I'm all ears. You obviously know what's going on in this field too.

Goldie

[SilentFeathers]

GCS, are you familiar with the problem of MERS? I have much information I could share with you that might help your clients even more. This thread is not the place as it's off topic, but if you're interested, send me a message and I'll give you what I got.

I would love to PM you and talk about MERS. We do a huge volume of short sale work, so any information you can pass along would be wonderful. Anything that would benefit these clients, I'm all ears. You obviously know what's going on in this field too.

Goldie

Short sales suck, I spent 3 hrs a couple nights ago dealing with my wife dealing with a short sale, it wasn't pretty! :) What a waste of trees to make it so!

Over a 50 page packet modified and faxed several times to change stupid crap..........what a joke but she got it through and we can now have some bread with our water!

[SilentFeathers]

BTW: I do not care what direction this thread goes. what will be will be :)

[GCS1103]

GCS, are you familiar with the problem of MERS? I have much information I could share with you that might help your clients even more. This thread is not the place as it's off topic, but if you're interested, send me a message and I'll give you what I got.

I would love to PM you and talk about MERS. We do a huge volume of short sale work, so any information you can pass along would be wonderful. Anything that would benefit these clients, I'm all ears. You obviously know what's going on in this field too.

Goldie

Short sales suck, I spent 3 hrs a couple nights ago dealing with my wife dealing with a short sale, it wasn't pretty! :) What a waste of trees to make it so!

Over a 50 page packet modified and faxed several times to change stupid crap..........what a joke but she got it through and we can now have some bread with our water!

This is how I spend most of my day. You can always PM me with any questions about modifications and funds that we can get for the homeowner. I would be happy to give you any advice- gratis.

[SilentFeathers]

GCS, are you familiar with the problem of MERS? I have much information I could share with you that might help your clients even more. This thread is not the place as it's off topic, but if you're interested, send me a message and I'll give you what I got.

I would love to PM you and talk about MERS. We do a huge volume of short sale work, so any information you can pass along would be wonderful. Anything that would benefit these clients, I'm all ears. You obviously know what's going on in this field too.

Goldie

Short sales suck, I spent 3 hrs a couple nights ago dealing with my wife dealing with a short sale, it wasn't pretty! :) What a waste of trees to make it so!

Over a 50 page packet modified and faxed several times to change stupid crap..........what a joke but she got it through and we can now have some bread with our water!

This is how I spend most of my day. You can always PM me with any questions about modifications and funds that we can get for the homeowner. I would be happy to give you any advice- gratis.

My wifes a agent/broker

I usually pop some popcorn and watch TV and try to avoid her anger! LOL!

[SilentFeathers]

You are a young star...shine as bright as you can because everything has its time.....burn your place to be known and make your self like a star would make its place in the cosmos....

[bram]

According to my wife, I have to vote!.....sheesh!



Don't do it! Voting means you are participating in their charade.

[Rocky_Shorz]

In California they have a 3 strike rule for non violent offenses, there are 20 year old sitting in jail for life costing tax payers well over 2 million over the 70 years it will take for them to rot and die...

or $50K could be spent to run them through re-hab and they can train and become counselors to help other kids in trouble...

without voting those kids can't get helped because carved in stone is a 3 strike law...

but voting means nothing, huh

do you have voting in Malaysia? like your leaders too much to bother I guess huh...

[SilentFeathers]

XfGWPpPy0uw

[gripreaper]

Since I am not registered (voter registered), but am a 14th amendment citizen of the corporate UNITED STATES (birth certificate), an am one of their employees, I do not get to choose the corporate CEO. The CEO is chosen by the board of directors, those who hold the preferred stock shares in the corporation, and are the beneficiaries of the trust which is bankrupt and in receivership.

So, any vote I may cast is just BS, since it means absolutely nothing, only that I have agreed to register as an asset of the corporation, should they need me to be a juror in one of their tribunals against one of my fellow employees.

Yes folks, this is how it really is.

[SilentFeathers]

Since I am not registered (voter registered), but am a 14th amendment citizen of the corporate UNITED STATES (birth certificate), an am one of their employees, I do not get to choose the corporate CEO. The CEO is chosen by the board of directors, those who hold the preferred stock shares in the corporation, and are the beneficiaries of the trust which is bankrupt and in receivership.

So, any vote I may cast is just BS, since it means absolutely nothing, only that I have agreed to register as an asset of the corporation, should they need me to be a juror in one of their tribunals against one of my fellow employees.

Yes folks, this is how it really is.

Its great you refused to swallow the wrong pill, it was your best will...

[jagman]

We-R-one I can tell your a David Icke fan.Nothing wrong with that. Please dont put me in a choke hold. Hey that first
article you posted? It sounded like it was wrote by Karl Marx. Hello comrade...justkidnya Oh just smile it wont hurt

I took the trash out twice today and I did recycle.

[gripreaper]

The first thing to remember is that you are a figurehead, about as relevant to the direction of the state as a hood ornament is to the direction of a car -- but you are a very important distraction, the "smiling face" of the fist of power. So hold your nose, kiss the babies, and just think how good you would look on a stamp.

Now, before we go into your media responsibilities, you must understand the true history of political power, so you don't accidentally act on the naive idealism you are required to project to the general public.

The reality of political power is very simple: bad farmers own crops and livestock -- good farmers own human beings...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51653-The-Handbook-of-Human-Ownership-A-Manual-for-New-Tax-Farmers&p=578876#post578876

[we-R-one]

I took the trash out twice today and I did recycle.

Ya......I bet your wife told you to do it, lmao............kidding, well sorta

[lunaflare]

Answer: Neither

[meeradas]

Whoever...

QRHQFMK9iBs


http://www.zazzle.com/libertymaniacs

[jagman]

I took the trash out twice today and I did recycle.

Ya......I bet your wife told you to do it, lmao............kidding, well sorta

Your a bald tire trying to get traction...good luck causing the things that you are causing

What is that suppose to mean? Causing what? I'm kidding with the guy, cause I thought he was kidding with me? Lighten up

I most certainly was just kidding

[Snookie]

I like the bit George Carlin did on voting. He says cuz he stayed home on election day, he gets to point his finger at anyone who voted & say "look at the mess you got us all in".

[we-R-one]

I like the bit George Carlin did on voting. He says cuz he stayed home on election day, he gets to point his finger at anyone who voted & say "look at the mess you got us all in".

Exactly; that's why I posted the definition that I did. You see if you sat in front of a court of law, wouldn't they tell you in any other type of case that if you "willingly" participated then you're responsible. I see this happen with contracts all the time. So I see no difference with voting as you "volunteered" and nobody forced you to vote. And if you notice, when many of these whistle blowers come forward they often say, "they need your permission". It's the very reason why they put the truth right in front of your face and yet people still don't understand......cause if they put it front of you, than you can't say you weren't told.

And when you see how rigged these elections are, one comes to the conclusion that voting is merely an illusion to make you feel like you have some say. Youtube Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting for those who aren't familiar and she'll tell you how rigged elections are...she was just on Alex Jones about a week ago.


So I really don't see how voting makes one bit of difference, I'm sorry if that makes you angry, but some of us are sharing this with you to help you understand. They need your permission and you're giving it to them when you vote. A system can't function if the people don't participate it in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnDCz-ro3Z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnDCz-ro3Z4

[ghostrider]

I hope there is no election.

[ThePythonicCow]

I just deleted a few posts above. The discussion was getting a bit too personally antagonistic in my view. I only deleted some, not all of the posts that I might have deleted, so that the interested reader can still find posts of the sort that concerned me - showing more personal tensions than useful content.

Even if we personally feel strong in our decision about whether to vote and/or whom to vote for, please let other members come to different decisions.

On the other hand, however, even if some other member speaks quite sharply against a choice we have made, that doesn't mean they are attacking us personally. Let others choose and say as they will about such choices; that's their business.

In short, either way, don't make it, nor take it, too personally.

Thanks.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Don't waste a vote on Republician or Democrat, vote for Gary Johnson!

Third party presidential debate at 8pm eastern time Tuesday, Nov 6 at rt.com

The debate will present the 2 frontrunners - Gary Johnson and Jill Stein

Remember, not voting Demo or Repub is civil disobedience

[humanalien]

No doubt. Obama will win again.

[Camilo]

Obama, not that it makes any difference what so ever.

[Mozart]

I'll vote for my favorite write-in candidate who has won every single election ever since I started to vote. My vote win rate is 100%.


The name of the write-in candidate is:


"Jackass"

[gripreaper]

Obama or Romney? Neither. The winner is Goldman Sachs!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/251606_361493377268798_804622023_n.jpg251606_361493377268798_804622023_n.jpg

[gripreaper]

Three main points in US history need to be highlighted.

1. During the presidency of Lincoln, the Civil War and the Reconstruction Act. This is where they said, hey, we like having slaves, so how do we make everybody a slave? The Reconstruction Act did just that, as the Southern States walked out of congress, and congress NEVER reconvened, and an emergency session was called, a new corporate government was formed, and we have been in a perpetual state of emergency ever since. The whole country was surveyed into military districts, and the corporate state owns it all via aquiescence by the populace.

2. During the presidency of Woodrow Wilson in the early 1900's, the Federal Reserve Act was passed under the cover of darkness on Christmas Eve, when most senators and congressmen were home with their families. This event more people are familiar with, but the global banksters finally pulled off the "coup de etat" of getting control of the money supply. World War 1 as well as the spanish flu, were all part of breaking the country down and bankrupting it. It took till 1933 to completely destroy and own it.

3. During the presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1933, the final nails were put in the coffin of what was once a land of sovereign rugged individuals who braved the oceans to come here and live in freedom and be left alone. The bankrupcy of the corporate UNITED STATES , through receivership, pledged EVERYTHING to the banksters as collateral. All the gold was confiscated, debt instruments became the only medium of exchange, and guess who backs this sytem up?

YOU DO. YOU were the only asset that was left to attach to the bankrupcy, so you were pledged "in perpetuity" to the bankrupcy via your birth certificate and social security number, and WE back the dollar, the good faith and credit of the UNITED STATES is the labor of the people. So, when
we-R-one says we are the creditors, this is what she means. OUR SIGNATURE creates and backs the debt instruments which are entering commerce for circulation, and we pay the interest, ALL OF IT goes upstream to these banksters. They own everything, including you. DOES THAT NOT SEEM ODD TO YOU THAT THE CREDITOR PAYS THE DEBT?

You have NO SAY in who the corporate CEO is, or how the bankrupt trust is run, or who is appointed trustee, or who is on the board. You don't get to say jack sh!t.

Go find the congressional records for these three key periods in our history, and listen to the few senators who opposed the bankster takeover. I'd start with Senator McFadden and the 73rd congress... back engineer it to at least the Civil War.

Once you do that, the truth will shatter the illusion that the UNITED STATES is a country, has any form of representative government, that votes mean anything, or that you have any say in what happens through the political process.

Maybe at the local level you do, in your town, but not nationally. There are no nations or any such notions as far as the elite are concerned. That's just the lights on the hamster wheel you're looking at, and the warm blanket and pillow.

That's all it is.

http://i.imgur.com/zD4X8.gif

[SilentFeathers]

That gerbil clip is hilarious!

Well, a couple more days and we'll know if Obama remains president or not....and in 3 more days the campaign for 2016 begins! :)

[Chester]

Grip is the greatest - slam dunk, precisely nailed post.

I would far rather know reality than attempt to find my way through a maze of illusions.

Thanks, gripreaper... Chester

[we-R-one]

You know grip and I say what we say, because we have chosen to focus our attention in this particular area during our process of seeking the truth. I come on this forum to share information of what I have learned and I think I have provided enough evidence between this thread and another in regards to the scam voting has brought about. I'm not going to repeat all I have posted because I don't want to sound like a broken record, though I probably all ready do. The definition of de facto government is worth repeating because it's not discussed enough in a manner where the public can realize they are "legally" being governed through their participation. My thought process isn't just an opinion, it's based on common sense and research of the related topics. The goal is not to make anyone feel bad, it's to educate and disseminate information to those who might not have come across the same info or who might not have the time to explore. Unfortunately I don't seem to get any respect for bringing that info to the forefront but instead the thanks I get is character assassination. Isn't the whole point of being on this forum, so we can help one another out by sharing what we have discovered?

When you get a basic understanding of how this country has been set up and you get a basic understanding as to how the legal system works, you recognize the correlation and quickly see the enormity of the problem, and want others made aware of the fraud that's taking place. Fraud probably isn't even the correct term, as in a court of law, they don't see what's being done as fraud, because you have acquiesced(voluntarily) to their system via your participation, that is how they see it. But I use the word "fraud" as I realize the main population base is programmed to think it as an appropriate term. What they're doing to us isn't unconstitutional, it's non-constitutional because the system is set up to run under common-law, corporate law, admiralty law,...not common law. It's all a play of words.....it can only be unconstitutional if we were following common law, which we're not, which is why judges hate when you make arguments based on your "constitutional rights" being violated.

At times I may poke fun at some of your comments, but I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you and only trying to add humor.......Like I new any of this stuff four years ago! It's not a rabbit hole that many care to explore, but indeed has to be, if one is to understand how we're to get out of this mess. You have to be able to identify the problem at its core, otherwise you cannot fix it!

Though everyone is allowed to have an opinion, in certain cases I'm more interested in those, when the opportunity exists, who back what they say with something tangible rather than a "feeling" as I find in many cases the "feeling" is often contrived by a "preconceived misconception" rather than the truth, as such in this case.......that being, it doesn't matter who you vote for when there is more than enough circumstantial evidence demonstrating that the presidential election is rigged. If you want out of the matrix, you have to get away from the concepts and procedures that keep pulling you back in; to do otherwise only keeps you and others on the merry-go-round that much longer.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, a couple more days and we'll know if Obama remains president or not....
Perhaps not so quickly :).

Some of us have been anticipating a contested and controversial election, shades of the year 2000 contest between Bush and Gore.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Well, a couple more days and we'll know if Obama remains president or not....
Perhaps not so quickly :).

Some of us have been anticipating a contested and controversial election, shades of the year 2000 contest between Bush and Gore.

Thanks Paul. At the risk of linking back to my own thread, plenty of people have even predicted a contested election, based on Mercury turning retrograde right over a black hole on the day of the election itself. Couldn't make this up, honestly.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51644-2012-election-has-the-same-astrological-pattern-as-2000----prediction-time

[gooty64]

My suggestion is to pick one of the the two major party candidates, Obama or Romney.
Then go to your local voting station and vote for them on the computer there.
While there, make sure to get your I VOTED sticker and wear it proudly for the rest of the day wherever you go and don't cover it with a jacket.
Then for the next four years watch TV to see how it all turned out for you.
It's a win-win situation!
On TV, either you can see how good of a job your guy did and feel righteous about your correct vote or,
you can see how bad of a job the other guy did and feel righteous because you didn't vote for him.
Brilliant!

[marique3652]

My suggestion is to pick one of the the two major party candidates, Obama or Romney.
Then go to your local voting station and vote for them on the computer there.
While there, make sure to get your I VOTED sticker and wear it proudly for the rest of the day wherever you go and don't cover it with a jacket.
Then for the next four years watch TV to see how it all turned out for you.
It's a win-win situation!
On TV, either you can see how good of a job your guy did and feel righteous about your correct vote or,
you can see how bad of a job the other guy did and feel righteous because you didn't vote for him.
Brilliant!

This thought IS BRILLIANT!!!! Wished I'd have thought of that, lol.

[Snookie]

It's interesting, I just heard on the MSM news that because of hurricane Sandy they are going to allow people to vote via email or fax. I wonder how they will be able to ensure that people haven't voted multiple times?

I didn't listen closely enough to know if this was only going to be allowed in certain areas or not, but even if they did limit it how would they be able to monitor it in any meaningful way?

[nizkri]

100 % Obama will win ..... not any doubt about it

[Krullenjongen]

Well i'm not an American but i can tell you that i would not vote for Obama.
I don't know if Romney will be any better but at least it is Change and Hope ;)

gsa4uLmTw0M

[G.Deluca]

i guess obama will win but it will change nothing

6rGaE5je7vE

the owl at the end is interesting :)

[East Sun]

I don't vote and don't like Romney any more than Obama but thought i'd pass this along.






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Strong words!!

Washington Post and Newsweek hit Obama


THE WASHINGTON POST HITS OBAMA

Finally, the Washington Post and Newsweek speak out about Obama. This is timely
and tough. As many of you know, the Washington Post and Newsweek have a reputation
for being extremely liberal. The fact that their editors saw fit to print
the following article about Obama and the one that appears in the latest Newsweek, makes this a truly amazing event,
and a news story in and of itself. At last, the truth about our
President and his agenda are starting to trickle through the
“protective wall” built around him by the liberal media.

___________________________
I Too Have Become Disillusioned.

By Matt Patterson (columnist - Washington Post, New York Post, San
Francisco Examiner)

Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack
Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a
baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the
Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of
professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could
manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful
military, execute the world's most consequential job?

Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life:
ushered into and through the Ivy League, despite unremarkable grades
and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community
organizer;" a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative
achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did
he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in the
United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his
presidential ambitions.

He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature
legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his
troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher
who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life,
actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political
sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all
and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?

Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz
addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be
sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken
hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist
like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama
was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberal Dom to have
hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if
they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass. Let that sink in: Obama
was given a pass - held to a lower standard - because of the color of
his skin.

Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history
matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself
had said) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance
to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of
racism to rest?

Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the
Obama phenomenon - affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of
course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all
affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily
to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about
themselves.

Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat
themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools
for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the
inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow.
Liberals don't care if these minority students fail; liberals aren't
around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self-esteem
resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes,
racist. Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the
color of his skin - that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if
that isn't racism, then nothing is.

And that is what America did to Obama. True, Obama himself was never
troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many
have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite
undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough
for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told
he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the
Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was
good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the
contrary.

What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display
every time Obama speaks? In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked
executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama's oratory
skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people - conservatives
included - ought now to be deeply embarrassed.

The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of clichés, and that's when
he has his Teleprompters in front of him; when the prompter is absent
he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever
issued from his mouth - it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that
has failed over and over again for 100 years.

And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and
everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I
inherited this mess. Remember, he wanted the job, campaigned for the
task. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise
his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But
really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for
anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?

In short: our president is a small-minded man, with neither the
temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand
that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of
liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise
with such a man in the Oval Office.


GOD BLESS AMERICA......!!!!!!

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[bram]

How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of
professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could
manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful
military, execute the world's most consequential job?

Good question. perhaps he got advice from George W.?

[GoodETxSG]

Sorry if its in there and I missed it... where is the link to this article? I want to post it on my Facebook Corruption Page.

[gooty64]

Those 2 publications are garbage. A total mind****!

[East Sun]

Sorry if its in there and I missed it... where is the link to this article? I want to post it on my Facebook Corruption Page.

Corey, I'm not good on computers so I hope this is helpful.
Otherwise, if you Google 'Newsweek' this will come up.


Niall Ferguson: Obama’s Gotta Go (Newsweek) (thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/08/19/niall-ferguson-on-why-barack-obama-needs-to-go.html)

===

[ Mod-edit: That worked. Thanks. I fancified up the link for you, to make it easier to click on. -Paul. ]

[Dennis Leahy]

I have to say, the title of this thread underscores the real problem: acquiescence to the duopoly. As Gripreaper pointed out, it isn't even constitutional, but setting that aside for a moment, just exactly which election cycle will not be "critical?"

When will third parties have a chance because it is not "critical" to vote for the least worst of two scumbags? As a quintessential psychological ploy, every election is deemed and hyped as "critical" - to keep the scariest monster out of office. Citizens fall for it every time. This is acquiescence to the duopoly.

The members of the citizenry did not even pick the two people running for any "high" office in the US - this is done by the inner-circle's political machinery within the two gangs, er, dominant political parties forming the duopoly (which are, in turn, completely controlled by Big Money and status-quo influence of corporatists, banksters and militarists.) I think VERY few voters ever even stop to understand that point. To a great extent, this is probably not cloak and dagger, sneaky backroom behind-the-curtain stuff. The short list of acceptable candidates the inner political machinery selects from includes lawyers and businessmen. Did you think that was an accident or a coincidence? Why do you think we US citizens are not voting for any anthropologists, sculptors, musicians, machinists, or carpenters? So the first level of culling is to dismiss anyone who is not "of the cloth", of the same ilk as the ones who have gone before. They only pre-select those who are bought-into corporatism, people who already agree with the agenda of the Financial Elite (and who are themselves quite likely Financial Elite wannabees.)

I used to think that the Financial Elite bought-off candidates. Now, I suspect that is extremely rare. They don't have to, they simply narrow the initial pool down to people who have already bought-into the status quo politics and policies. That saves them a lot of work, and keeps the exposure for things like bribery down to a minute level.

So, what happens when US citizens vote between 2 people that have already accepted ruthless, greed-driven, sociopathic, predatory capitalism* as their personal saviour? My oh my, we end up with legislators that are 60% lawyers and about 40% corporate businessmen - who then go on to support the agenda of the Financial Elite. How do you think they will then represent you, Joe Average citizen? On the other hand, how do you think they will represent corporations? Did you realize that the answer to the preceding two questions is available, and is not conjecture? Go back through all of the legislation passed by the US Congress, finding all of the (truly) citizen-centric and eco-centric legislation that has been passed. C'mon, I challenge you! :) Be careful not to get tripped-up on Orwellian doublespeak titles on the bills, but actually read them. Make three lists:


legislation that is obviously primarily corporate-centric (includes banking-centric and military-centric)
legislation that is obviously truly citizen centric (primarily benefits citizens) and/or eco-centric (primarily beneficial to the ecosphere.)
and a third list for any legislation that is not clearly for or against the interests of citizens or corporations

List #1 will be enormous; list #2 will be tiny. But if you don't understand that this is the truth, down to the marrow of your bones, then please, do the research work and see what legislation has passed. Start from now, go backwards and go back decades.

Oh, I almost forgot to mention, the US presidential race is only the center ring in the 3-ring circus, though most of the spotlights are focused there. Meanwhile, Congress relatively quietly loses a few corporatists and replaces them with a few more corporatists every 2 years. This is the body (made up of virtually 100% members of the two parties in the duopoly) that creates NO citizen-centric legislation and lots of corporate-centric legislation.

None of this is EVER going to change until citizens destroy the framework of the duopoly.

Dennis

*(I don't want to argue about low-level, mutually-beneficial, "I'll trade 2 of my chickens or 20 dollars for a bushel of your carrots" capitalism. That is NOT the game played at the level that corporatists play the game.)

p.s. p.s. I love what Glen Ford has to say about the duopoly:

http://blackagendareport.com/content/duopoly-debates-itself

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Pepsi vs Coke

Pepsi


Sweeter tasting
Less gassy


Coke


Tastes more acidic
More gassy


Either


Rots your guts
Rots your teeth
Strips the body of nutrients
Probably good for cleaning toilets/washbasins/copper coins etc
Both look the same
Despite minor differences & the war portrayed in the media, they're pretty much interchangeable

[Dennis Leahy]

I personally want Mitt as I am a GHWB fan ...

... I am sure I will upset a few friends I have here by stating who I wanted and why but clearly i don't care what people think as much as I care about being honest.
...
Cheers, ChesterWow! I admire your honesty, but find your admission deeply disturbing. It isn't so much wanting Romney (as opposed to voting for Romney due to a powerful negative reaction to Obama, and being stuck in the duopoly.) What I find deeply disturbing is that anyone coud say, "I am a GHWB fan"

You mentioned elsewhere that Houman's thread on Archons was life-changing for you - presumably because you gained an awareness and understanding of some of the profound origins and pathways of the expression of pure evil on Earth. I assume you know that many (maybe even most) people in the alternative community see George Herbert Walker Bush as about as close to pure evil as it gets.

Pardon me for putting you in the hot seat, but damn, seated at the right hand of GHWB, you put yourself in the hot seat.

Dennis

[gooty64]

PS that GHWB thingy is kind of a deal breaker isn't it?:argue:



I personally want Mitt as I am a GHWB fan ...

... I am sure I will upset a few friends I have here by stating who I wanted and why but clearly i don't care what people think as much as I care about being honest.
...
Cheers, ChesterWow! I admire your honesty, but find your admission deeply disturbing. It isn't so much wanting Romney (as opposed to voting for Romney due to a powerful negative reaction to Obama, and being stuck in the duopoly.) What I find deeply disturbing is that anyone coud say, "I am a GHWB fan"

You mentioned elsewhere that Houman's thread on Archons was life-changing for you - presumably because you gained an awareness and understanding of some of the profound origins and pathways of the expression of pure evil on Earth. I assume you know that many (maybe even most) people in the alternative community see George Herbert Walker Bush as about as close to pure evil as it gets.

Pardon me for putting you in the hot seat, but damn, seated at the right hand of GHWB, you put yourself in the hot seat.

Dennis

[SilentFeathers]

Regardless of who get's positioned to CEO of the USA, I think we are all in the hot seat so to speak and things are going to still be a mess...some call these CEO's puppets, perhaps they are; or could it actually be all of us that are dangling on the end of the strings?

[sdv]

The world waits for Americans to make a statement about who they are, what they want, what they value and who they are ...!

But, if Americans can get out of their myopia, perhaps they might consider the following:

1 The economic squeeze is happening all over the world, and Americans are not suffering the most, by a long shot.

2 There is a leadership crisis all over the world (corruption and lack of morals and so on, is spreading like a cancer all over the world)

3 Blatant disregard for human rights, lies, despotic control, and so on is a worldwide problem. Those who have access to wealth and power are becoming so blatant in holding on to and getting more, and the lies and corruption are becoming so apparant (and yet the majority seem blind and deaf and stupid). Obama is flawed and indaequate in many ways, but Romney is very scary. But I sense that the destination is the same, no matter how we get there and no matter what difficult path we choose (i.e. we will overcome and defeat this bigoted, greedy, immoral cancer that is spreading).

4 Crazy unthinkable violence is spreading unfettered, everywhere. This crazy unthinkable violence and abuse is not only happening in America.

Deep down I sense that we have to go through these troubled times and part of our liberation is to embrace a perspective that is beyond and greater than our blinkered view.

Enjoy election day Americans. Be intelligent and authentic in choosing how you vote. With the choices on offer, what do you really want as an American, for yourself and your country (and then to force on the rest of the world!!)?

No matter what you choose, the world will still be filled with beauty and potential and wonder! No evil, no matter what it is or how it manifests, can destroy that.

By the way, I openly proclaim that I am a radical liberal who supports and embraces respect and acceptance of all. I find the death penalty appalling; I support equal opportunities and treatment for everyone, no matter what your gender or sexual preference is; I want a society in which we carry those who are weak and vulnerable rather than seek our own well being with disregard what the cost may be; I want the whole world to take a giant leap beyond the stupidity of racial discrimination, and never look back; I want us to realise that a reasoin for doing something is not an excuse and teach our children that. (By the way, I also passionately believe that murderers, rapists, paedophiles, immoral thieves and so on should be seperated from society, but treated with decency behind locked doors. If we kill, then we are also murderers. If we torture, then we are also terrorsits. If we abuse in any way, then we are also abusers.)

[jackovesk]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7VMeT6sW5o4/UJfzNLu_nXI/AAAAAAAABUU/9CWHGV18zK8/s400/election-slaughterhouse.jpg
.................
And this little girl - Knows It...:yes4:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufkCzmR7PQhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufkCzmR7PQ

[jagman]

This is exactly how I feel about the election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YiZ_gos2DnA

[SilentFeathers]

Some things may be hidden in plain sight....


Obama Campaign to Supporters: Don’t Panic Over Early Exit Polls

In a conference call this afternoon, President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign had one central message for their supporters when Election Day arrives tomorrow: They should “keep calm,” even if they hear snippets of information favoring Republican Mitt Romney.
More: http://politicker.com/2012/11/obama-campaign-to-supporters-dont-panic-over-early-exit-polls/

If Obama loses, we may see some very disturbing behavior....

[Chester]

I personally want Mitt as I am a GHWB fan ...

... I am sure I will upset a few friends I have here by stating who I wanted and why but clearly i don't care what people think as much as I care about being honest.
...
Cheers, ChesterWow! I admire your honesty, but find your admission deeply disturbing. It isn't so much wanting Romney (as opposed to voting for Romney due to a powerful negative reaction to Obama, and being stuck in the duopoly.) What I find deeply disturbing is that anyone coud say, "I am a GHWB fan"

You mentioned elsewhere that Houman's thread on Archons was life-changing for you - presumably because you gained an awareness and understanding of some of the profound origins and pathways of the expression of pure evil on Earth. I assume you know that many (maybe even most) people in the alternative community see George Herbert Walker Bush as about as close to pure evil as it gets.

Pardon me for putting you in the hot seat, but damn, seated at the right hand of GHWB, you put yourself in the hot seat.

Dennis

Hi Dennis and thanks for the response and so I will explain myself. I am fully aware of the reputation of GHWB amongst those within the "alternative community." I happened to have read Kathy O'Brian's book too and it was perhaps one of the hardest reads I ever endured. I am an extremely open minded individual. I can believe anything.

At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Yet, I have friends who have and their experiences as they have related to me are not even in the same universe as to the experiences I have heard via the alternate community. It has been extremely difficult for me to be able to reconcile what I have been informed by the alternative community (which includes first hand testimonies from what seem to be in many cases very credible individuals - Stu Webb also comes to mind) with the few folks I have known personally who have had direct, first hand experience with GHWB and/or his son "W."

In addition, I have watched interviews of GHWB and I cannot reconcile what I consider to be this man (strictly my impressions) and the picture that is painted by the alternative community.

Again, I just had to be honest that unless I had or am able to have a direct experience with GHWB which I would consider unacceptable, then my nature is to give him (and anyone else for that matter) the benefit of the doubt.

I used to not be this way, but I am this way now. I will only, ever judge a woman or man as to if I trust 'em or not, if I like 'em or not based only upon my own, first hand experience with them.

That's just me though. And perhaps I may be foolish, but I would rather be wrong with this approach than to make up my mind based on third party accounts from folks I never met in my life.

Chester

[Carmody]

Heard this one today, I'll have to FACT CHECK that one (just before the election, perfect time for rumours):

"The name Romney equals the number 666 in both lower case ASCII computer code and in alpha basis 100 reversed code."

As for GHWB, I know someone who spent some time in his presence and found him to be very nice.

However, I reserve the right for this analysis to be quite wrong.

As for all that, I do know some sociopaths who are very nice.

Until you are in their way, or it is time to 'not be nice'. I've dealt with murderers before. It is then that you find out who they really are.

[Flash]

Silent feather, you may repent dearly when we will be in a third world war thanks to Romney, a little bit faster than thought of by Obama.

Isn't there any third possible vote in an obscure corner of the voting ticket oh! I mean screen controlled by Romney anyhow?


Edit:

I also know someone who has been in the presence of father Bush GHWB, he was not nice at all.

Both sides of the coin. Truly depending on whose path one is crossing and why.

[Earth Angel]

Well Paddy Powers bookmakers in Dublin are so sure Obama is going to win they are paying out a day early......and placed an ad some have found offensive.....



see it here
http://http://www.worldirish.com/story/15199-has-paddy-powers-latest-obama-ad-gone-too-far#.UJhuy4bIMsK (http://www.worldirish.com/story/15199-has-paddy-powers-latest-obama-ad-gone-too-far#.UJhuy4bIMsK)

[jagman]

Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer Just called the race for Romney.
Fox News contributor Brit Hume called the race for Obama.
Professor Larry Sabato called the race for Obama.
Forrner advisor to President Carter Pat Caddell says Romney has the momentum.
Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris calls the race for Romney (Landslide)
Former Bush advisor Karl Rove calls the race for Romney
The highly respected Joe Tripi calls the race for Obama.
Former Mayor of NY Rudy Giuliani calls the race for Romney

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 48%. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and one percent (1%) remains undecided.

[ThePythonicCow]

"The name Romney equals the number 666 in both lower case ASCII computer code and in alpha basis 100 reversed code."
Yes.

The pages http://www.666myth.com/EncodingMethods.html and http://www.666myth.com/666_ModernI.html explain these methods of encoding and summing the letters in words.

For those in the forum membership (all one of us) who read Python, the following code calculates these two values of 666 from the name "Romney". The Python routine ord() converts a single letter to its numeric ASCII value.


import string

# Print sum of lower cased ASCII letters in "Romney"
#
## lower case ASCII computer code ##

t = 0
for i in string.lower("Romney"):
t += ord(i)
print t # Prints "666"

# Print sum of lower cased letters in "Romney",
# giving 'z' to 'a' values 100 to 125, respectively.
#
## alpha basis 100 reversed code ##

u = 0
for i in string.lower("Romney"):
u += 100 + (ord('z') - ord(i))
print u # Prints "666"

[bram]

C'mon people. If you vote for a party you are giving legitimacy to that party. Whatever they say they are going to do, you vote for them and they are entitled to say- well, Joe X agrees with this policy, he voted for us. If you don't agree with warmongering, what on earth are you doing voting for these people. Aren't you voting for the oppressors?

Nobody should vote, unless they are voting for something they agree with wholeheartedly.

Lets say one of your two identical parties wins, and 51% of the polulation votes for it. Then it is entitled to say that it has a MANDATE to do whatever it pleases. It's slightly different if people don't vote and the government gets in with, say, 25% of the population voting for it. Small difference I know, but a difference nonetheless.

[Flash]

I cannot believe the planet is hostage to 200 million Americans votes.

I have an extremely bad feeling for the health of the planet if Romney is elected. I have rarely seen a non verbal so awful and deceitful, even in the two Bush, and this says it all.This is garanteed and fast dictatorship and war and extreme corruption (worst than now, this says it all too).

I do not think Obama is much better, but at least a tiny bit. I would not feel that much better, just a tiny bit.

Either way, we, the rest of the planet, are hostage to American voting (I was amost saying stupîdity, just looking at Bush in 2004 election, but it would not be fair to those on this forum and some others). We are also hostage to American/British corruption.

[ThePythonicCow]

I cannot believe the planet is hostage to 200 million Americans votes.
That's OK ... I'll wager that some of us Americans here on this forum cannot believe that humanity is hostage to American stupidity either :).

[Rocky_Shorz]

Russia has a Nuclear Sub off our Coast, China is sitting with a pile of debt ready to dump on the market, there is a lot more controls in the world than many realize...

36 Trillion of bearer bonds just trashed in a vault...

the War is on Bankers, and soon they will be battling with each other, no more bullets, it'll be electronic battles

we'll sit back and hope we have enough food to last through it...

Bankers were betting on a Romney war, but they've been sitting on trillions holding back the world from recovery, I'd like to see Obama kick on the Greenbacks if the bankers move forward with a stalemate by yanking the chains of the tea party.

I think GOP Teaparty will be a major battle, I can see GOP moving with Democrats, leaving the tea party extremist out in the cold...

[gripreaper]

At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

[Chester]

After reading that 666 stuff, I may change my mind and root for Obummer instead of Robme - note I said "root" because I don't vote after the only time I did, my guy lost. I don't like "mushing" would be winners.

[SilentFeathers]

Silent feather, you may repent dearly when we will be in a third world war thanks to Romney, a little bit faster than thought of by Obama.

Isn't there any third possible vote in an obscure corner of the voting ticket oh! I mean screen controlled by Romney anyhow?


Edit:

I also know someone who has been in the presence of father Bush GHWB, he was not nice at all.

Both sides of the coin. Truly depending on whose path one is crossing and why.

Repent? I doubt that :)

It's not going to be Romney or Obama that will be the ones that pull the trigger for WW3...it's much bigger than either of these two critters....IMO

[modwiz]

Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer Just called the race for Romney.
Fox News contributor Brit Hume called the race for Obama.
Professor Larry Sabato called the race for Obama.
Forrner advisor to President Carter Pat Caddell says Romney has the momentum.
Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris calls the race for Romney (Landslide)
Former Bush advisor Karl Rove calls the race for Romney
The highly respected Joe Tripi calls the race for Obama.
Former Mayor of NY Rudy Giuliani calls the race for Romney

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 48%. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and one percent (1%) remains undecided.

The word, "projection" takes on real meaning here.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Regardless of who get's positioned to CEO of the USA, I think we are all in the hot seat so to speak and things are going to still be a mess...some call these CEO's puppets, perhaps they are; or could it actually be all of us that are dangling on the end of the strings?

It has been said that GHWB was the closest thing we have ever had to someone actually being in charge. At least since the first few........maybe.

[gooty64]

WHAT gripreaper?
A handsome man with a gentle comforting voice speaking into the camera with a peace message from the United Nations.
He means wells, spoke nicely and looked gently into the camera, WHAT gripreaper?
New World Order, We Are All One, UNITY.
What's the difference, Mr.?
I have never met him in person and he did no harm to me, so WHAT Gripreaper is wrong with this message from GHWB?



At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

[jagman]

Gallup poll has Romney up by one

[Flash]

Modwiz: It has been said that GHWB was the closest thing we have ever had to someone actually being in charge. At least since the first few........maybe.

I agree with that, he is that much near the real power. In charge yes, may be not in a desired direction for the good of all.

[Kano]

My feeling is that Romney was just a distraction from the very beginning. Obama will win.

[Kano]

And trouble will follow soon afterwards.

[gripreaper]

WHAT gripreaper?
A handsome man with a gentle comforting voice speaking into the camera with a peace message from the United Nations.
He means wells, spoke nicely and looked gently into the camera, WHAT gripreaper?
New World Order, We Are All One, UNITY.
What's the difference, Mr.?
I have never met him in person and he did no harm to me, so WHAT Gripreaper is wrong with this message from GHWB?



At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Well, Prescott Bush financed the biggest and bloodiest World War so far on the planet, and Georgie boy was first CIA director, if you know anything about why the CIA was first commissioned, and what they have done during their tenure.

Not to mention the bloodline lineage of the Bushes and who they really are and where they really came from. Quite frankly, they are the most despicable and profoundly putrid scum on this planet at this time, that I can envision. The Bushes are responsible for millions of deaths, and should be shot on site.

I don't need direct experience to know this. I'll stand up for the millions and millions who died from the blood on the Bushes hands...They are self centered, narcissistic, hedonistic, paedophile, sociopathic, psychopathic, murderous, inhumane, reptile scumbags.

[gooty64]

I know, but Mitt Romney has no affiliation with the Bush crime family, right?



WHAT gripreaper?
A handsome man with a gentle comforting voice speaking into the camera with a peace message from the United Nations.
He means wells, spoke nicely and looked gently into the camera, WHAT gripreaper?
New World Order, We Are All One, UNITY.
What's the difference, Mr.?
I have never met him in person and he did no harm to me, so WHAT Gripreaper is wrong with this message from GHWB?



At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Well, Prescott Bush financed the biggest and bloodiest World War so far on the planet, and Georgie boy was first CIA director, if you know anything about why the CIA was first commissioned, and what they have done during their tenure.

Not to mention the bloodline lineage of the Bushes and who they really are and where they really came from. Quite frankly, they are the most despicable and profoundly putrid scum on this planet at this time, that I can envision. The Bushes are responsible for millions of deaths, and should be shot on site.

I don't need direct experience to know this. I'll stand up for the millions and millions who died from the blood on the Bushes hands...They are self centered, narcissistic, hedonistic, paedophile, sociopathic, psychopathic, murderous scumbags.

[gripreaper]

I know, but Mitt Romney has no affiliation with the Bush crime family, right?

You read the Veteran's Today piece, right? Bain Capital and what they've done? A bit about the Romney lineage? Yes, they are just as much scumbags as the Bushes.

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae333/twister_016/bth_twin-towers.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m27/HitmanXPS/bth_wtc_man_jumps_photo.jpg

[gooty64]

That's terrible! I did look at that stuff on VT and thought my gosh, that's terrible.;)




I know, but Mitt Romney has no affiliation with the Bush crime family, right?

You read the Veteran's Today piece, right? Bain Capital and what they've done? A bit about the Romney lineage? Yes, they are just as much scumbags as the Bushes.

[Wind]

The whole world is watching you, dear USA.

ShawaF89rt4

[Flash]

this is soooo difficult to see that even at Avalon, where we are immersed in conspirations, the negative stuff of the world, therefore used to it, that some would still believe some political parties and individuals are in fact good for the people.

Just now imagine the general population, how embezzlement, killings, pedophilia in politics, drug trafficking from high up in the administrations, name it, just imagine how hard it is for the general public just to think it may be a possibility, forget a certitude.

This is why it is so easy for the Rotchilds and Queens and Vaticans and Rockerfellers of this world to manipulate the crowd.

[bram]

In California they have a 3 strike rule for non violent offenses, there are 20 year old sitting in jail for life costing tax payers well over 2 million over the 70 years it will take for them to rot and die...

or $50K could be spent to run them through re-hab and they can train and become counselors to help other kids in trouble...

without voting those kids can't get helped because carved in stone is a 3 strike law...

but voting means nothing, huh

do you have voting in Malaysia? like your leaders too much to bother I guess huh...

Okay, point 1- I sympathize with the incarcerated kids. Please elaborate on how voting will change this?

Point 2- I am not allowed to vote in Malaysia because I am a foreign national on a retirement visa. The elections here are rigged anyway. Before that I haven't lived in a democracy since I left the UK in 1996, since when I have lived in Hong Kong, China, and the UAE. I don't rate democracy at all, the UK (like the USA) pretends to have a democracy but then gives you a choice to periodically switch between 2 parties with identical principles and policies on everything. In Hong Kong, without democracy, the people are able to impress their opinions on the government sucessfully, through having a highly educated and intelligent population and a mainland government which is (so far) afraid to let loose the PLA on the streets of the capitalists playground.

[Carmody]

Well, Prescott Bush financed the biggest and bloodiest World War so far on the planet, and Georgie boy was first CIA director, if you know anything about why the CIA was first commissioned, and what they have done during their tenure.

Not to mention the bloodline lineage of the Bushes and who they really are and where they really came from. Quite frankly, they are the most despicable and profoundly putrid scum on this planet at this time, that I can envision. The Bushes are responsible for millions of deaths, and should be shot on site.

I don't need direct experience to know this. I'll stand up for the millions and millions who died from the blood on the Bushes hands...They are self centered, narcissistic, hedonistic, paedophile, sociopathic, psychopathic, murderous, inhumane, reptile scumbags.

Not quite. It went like this:

3.1 Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, 1947–1950
3.2 Walter Bedell Smith, 1950–1953
3.3 Allen W. Dulles 1953–1961
3.4 John McCone 1961–1965
3.5 William Raborn 1965–1966
3.6 Richard M. Helms 1966–1973
3.7 James R. Schlesinger 1973
3.8 William Colby 1973–1976
3.9 George H. W. Bush 1976–1977
3.10 Stansfield Turner 1977–1981
3.11 William J. Casey 1981–1987
3.12 William H. Webster 1987–1991
3.13 Robert M. Gates 1991–1993
3.14 R. James Woolsey 1993–1995
3.15 John M. Deutch 1995–1996
3.16 George J. Tenet 1997–2004
3.17 Porter J. Goss 2004–2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Central_Intelligence

[gripreaper]

WHAT gripreaper?
A handsome man with a gentle comforting voice speaking into the camera with a peace message from the United Nations.
He means wells, spoke nicely and looked gently into the camera, WHAT gripreaper?
New World Order, We Are All One, UNITY.
What's the difference, Mr.?
I have never met him in person and he did no harm to me, so WHAT Gripreaper is wrong with this message from GHWB?



At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Well, Prescott Bush financed the biggest and bloodiest World War so far on the planet, and Georgie boy was first CIA director, if you know anything about why the CIA was first commissioned, and what they have done during their tenure.

Not to mention the bloodline lineage of the Bushes and who they really are and where they really came from. Quite frankly, they are the most despicable and profoundly putrid scum on this planet at this time, that I can envision. The Bushes are responsible for millions of deaths, and should be shot on site.

I don't need direct experience to know this. I'll stand up for the millions and millions who died from the blood on the Bushes hands...They are self centered, narcissistic, hedonistic, paedophile, sociopathic, psychopathic, murderous, inhumane, reptile scumbags.

Here, around the 18 minute mark, Eustice Mullins talks about GHWB and his schenanigans:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51733-Eustice-Mullins-Excellent-video

[Wind]

Worth sharing here too.

g7cylfQtkDg

[SilentFeathers]

Well, it's election day.

I still think Mittens will come out on top...if I'm right (which I may not be) there is a huge potential for race riots to break out over Obama losing.

The president of this country may or may not be in control of anything, but they sure do "influence" the population to a large extent.

Regardless of what we here on this forum think, the majority of the masses actually believe that whoever wins today becomes the leader and controller of this country.

The "idea" of what the majority of people are brainwashed to believe is often more powerful than what they actually visually and physically witness, or are living.

[Prodigal Son]

WHAT gripreaper?
A handsome man with a gentle comforting voice speaking into the camera with a peace message from the United Nations.
He means wells, spoke nicely and looked gently into the camera, WHAT gripreaper?
New World Order, We Are All One, UNITY.
What's the difference, Mr.?
I have never met him in person and he did no harm to me, so WHAT Gripreaper is wrong with this message from GHWB?



At the same time, I have had no direct experiences with the man. Chester

Heres some direct experience for you Chester.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Well, Prescott Bush financed the biggest and bloodiest World War so far on the planet, and Georgie boy was first CIA director, if you know anything about why the CIA was first commissioned, and what they have done during their tenure.

Not to mention the bloodline lineage of the Bushes and who they really are and where they really came from. Quite frankly, they are the most despicable and profoundly putrid scum on this planet at this time, that I can envision. The Bushes are responsible for millions of deaths, and should be shot on site.

I don't need direct experience to know this. I'll stand up for the millions and millions who died from the blood on the Bushes hands...They are self centered, narcissistic, hedonistic, paedophile, sociopathic, psychopathic, murderous, inhumane, reptile scumbags.

Eustice Mullins talks about GHWB and his schenanigans:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51733-Eustice-Mullins-Excellent-video

Every time I bring up Eustice Mullins and her excellent work, on other forums of course, they immediately shoot her down by pulling the anti-semitism card. The shame of it is that the Reptilians running this planet are not even "Jews", they are Khazars, and all it takes is a little visit to the wiki Khazar page to find out that this bloodline has always been about war and mercenaries. No co-incidence that we've seen nothing but war and pseudo-war since these clowns got control of the American money system.

[SilentFeathers]

I thought Eustice was a "he" not a she????

[Prodigal Son]

I thought Eustice was a "he" not a she????
LOL!! You're right! I never saw a picture of the guy and only read some of his writings... sounds like a lady's name though.... thanks for saving me from future embarassment :o

[Kimberley]

*************

"Dear God~May peace prevail this election season.

Please send Your angels to protect the vote, casting out all energy that would obstruct our good.

We send love & peace to all the candidates, & to all our fellow Americans.

Bless our country, uplift our politics, & through us please bless the world. Amen"

~Marianne Williamson

[gripreaper]

When will third parties have a chance because it is not "critical" to vote for the least worst of two scumbags? As a quintessential psychological ploy, every election is deemed and hyped as "critical" - to keep the scariest monster out of office. Citizens fall for it every time. This is acquiescence to the duopoly.

The members of the citizenry did not even pick the two people running for any "high" office in the US - this is done by the inner-circle's political machinery within the two gangs, er, dominant political parties forming the duopoly (which are, in turn, completely controlled by Big Money and status-quo influence of corporatists, banksters and militarists.) I think VERY few voters ever even stop to understand that point. To a great extent, this is probably not cloak and dagger, sneaky backroom behind-the-curtain stuff. The short list of acceptable candidates the inner political machinery selects from includes lawyers and businessmen. Did you think that was an accident or a coincidence? Why do you think we US citizens are not voting for any anthropologists, sculptors, musicians, machinists, or carpenters? So the first level of culling is to dismiss anyone who is not "of the cloth", of the same ilk as the ones who have gone before. They only pre-select those who are bought-into corporatism, people who already agree with the agenda of the Financial Elite (and who are themselves quite likely Financial Elite wannabees.)

Thanks Dennis. It might be beneficial to note, that the original 13th amendment to the Constitution, that no "titles of nobility" such as esquires "attorneys" could hold office, was removed. When that was removed and the new amendment added, it gave attorneys the right to hold office and made all of us slaves!

Most know very little about our history, or have read any of the congressional records from any of the congresses. They don't even have to do that, for souls like Eustice Mullins spent 50 years doing just that, and pioneered the patriot movement. All of the current writers can attribute their information to Eustice, a very humble man. He spent 10 years working at the library of Congress, and would stay the night there and read all night. A wealth of information.

RIP Eustice. You were the greatest.

[Rocky_Shorz]

In California they have a 3 strike rule for non violent offenses, there are 20 year old sitting in jail for life costing tax payers well over 2 million over the 70 years it will take for them to rot and die...

or $50K could be spent to run them through re-hab and they can train and become counselors to help other kids in trouble...

without voting those kids can't get helped because carved in stone is a 3 strike law...

but voting means nothing, huh

do you have voting in Malaysia? like your leaders too much to bother I guess huh...

Okay, point 1- I sympathize with the incarcerated kids. Please elaborate on how voting will change this?

Point 2- I am not allowed to vote in Malaysia because I am a foreign national on a retirement visa. The elections here are rigged anyway. Before that I haven't lived in a democracy since I left the UK in 1996, since when I have lived in Hong Kong, China, and the UAE. I don't rate democracy at all, the UK (like the USA) pretends to have a democracy but then gives you a choice to periodically switch between 2 parties with identical principles and policies on everything. In Hong Kong, without democracy, the people are able to impress their opinions on the government sucessfully, through having a highly educated and intelligent population and a mainland government which is (so far) afraid to let loose the PLA on the streets of the capitalists playground.

in America if we find the ones ruling our country have made laws that are wrong, we can bring them up and vote on it.

The 3 strike law at the time sounded like a good idea, until the jails started being filled by kids who were caught running drugs, or other non violent offenses and they are sent away for life.

the cost for each of these prisoners over their lifetime is well over $2 million, we prefer sending them through rehab and getting them into a productive part of society.

We the People of California have come together to say it aint right...

now we are watching the votes to see if enough said yes, to change it.

it isn't all about electing leaders, you can say none of the above and not vote for anyone and just vote on these changes to the state.

Roseanne Barr is a Presidential Candidate in California... ;)

[jagman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JLZUSRJwJI&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X_6hxCEkrFo

[Rocky_Shorz]

Romney owned electronic voting machines being shut off and replaced with paper ballet voting because of glitches... Thanks Anonymous!!!


Hart Intercivic, meanwhile, provides voting machines for 370 jurisdictions around the nation, with about 17.7 million registered voters.

One of the jurisdictions with Hart Intercivic equipment is Hamilton County -- which includes Cincinnati, the third-largest city in the hotly contested swing state of Ohio... link to story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/pro-romney-firm-voting-machines_n_2006697.html)

this is one of their Pennsylvania machines...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

[Selene]

Video proof that an election machine today is registering a vote for Obama as one for Romney:

QdpGd74DrBM

The voter/uploader is a software developer, so he doesn't think it's a glitch. The uploader’s comments:


My wife and I went to the voting booths this morning before work. There were 4 older ladies running the show and 3 voting booths that are similar to a science fair project in how they fold up. They had an oval VOTE logo on top center and a cartridge slot on the left that the volunteers used to start your ballot.


I initially selected Obama but Romney was highlighted. I assumed it was being picky so I deselected Romney and tried Obama again, this time more carefully, and still got Romney.

Being a software developer, I immediately went into troubleshoot mode. I first thought the calibration was off and tried selecting Jill Stein to actually highlight Obama. Nope. Jill Stein was selected just fine. Next I deselected her and started at the top of Romney's name and started tapping very closely together to find the 'active areas'. From the top of Romney's button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama's name was all active for Romney. From the bottom of that same checkbox to the bottom of the Obama button (basically a small white sliver) is what let me choose Obama. Stein's button was fine. All other buttons worked fine.


I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video.


There is a lot of speculation that the footage is edited. I'm not a video guy, but if it's possible to prove whether a video has been altered or not, I will GLADLY provide the raw footage to anyone who is willing to do so. The jumping frames are a result of the ****ty camera app on my Android phone, nothing more.

Why am I not surprised?

Sadly,

Selene

[Flash]

is that a joke or is that true????

[trenairio]

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[Flash]

wow this is surprising cause it is easy to spot. I thought the offense would be done in the counting algorithm, not the voting side.

[DeDukshyn]

Is it not Romney's brother that owns the company supplying the voting machines?

[GloriousPoetry]

If voting really changed anything it would be illegal.

[KiwiElf]

Great that it's on YouTube Selene; I wonder how many other machines have "glitches"? And yes, The Romneys DO apparently have some "interest" (or should that be conflict of interest) re the voting machines.

If several such "glitches" were to publicly show up in time, that might be sufficient to call a mis-vote?

[RMorgan]

A quote from the uploader:

"I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video."

This is absolutely unacceptable! This machine should have been removed immediately.

Raf.

[GlassSteagallfan]

At my place to vote, you pencil in the circle next to the candidate of choice, like a multiple choice test. Then the volunteer takes it from you and feeds it into a machine which supposedly records your selections. There are no visible results on the machine.

Anything can happen.

[SilentFeathers]

I wonder if Joe Biden accidently voted for Mitt Romney today????

[mountain_jim]

At my place to vote, you pencil in the circle next to the candidate of choice, like a multiple choice test. Then the volunteer takes it from you and feeds it into a machine which supposedly records your selections. There are no visible results on the machine.

Anything can happen.

That process without a paper trail for audit and ticket for you to review and approve is why elections are nearly worthless in this country.

(edit - well that and the fact that all the choices are already pre-selected and controlled for the most important offices.)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/SMALL_2gatesofhell.jpg

And folks following BlackBoxVoting.org, BradBlog (and other investigators) since 2000 are pretty sure that Bush successfully stole Ohio (and the election) in 2004 using a man-in-middle setup where the Repugs counted/fixed the votes in their Tenn computers for Ohio's election.

[KiwiElf]

Democracy at risk: Voting machines might be hacked

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Description: Election Day is less than a week away, and with early voting underway many Americans have questioned the security of the voting process. According to an article by The Christian Science Monitor, e-voting machines are hackable and can be easily manipulated and could potentially alter the outcome of who takes the White House in 2023. Brad Friedman, investigative journalist for BradBlog.com, joins us to discuss how vulnerable the election process really is.

[SilentFeathers]

Romney owned electronic voting machines being shut off and replaced with paper ballet voting because of glitches... Thanks Anonymous!!!


Hart Intercivic, meanwhile, provides voting machines for 370 jurisdictions around the nation, with about 17.7 million registered voters.

One of the jurisdictions with Hart Intercivic equipment is Hamilton County -- which includes Cincinnati, the third-largest city in the hotly contested swing state of Ohio... link to story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/pro-romney-firm-voting-machines_n_2006697.html)

this is one of their Pennsylvania machines...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

By the sounds of many on this forum voting is a joke and doesn't matter, that the elections are an illusion and some even think that the "next president" is determined way before the actual election takes place.....well, if this is true then what does it matter if the voting machines don't work right?????

[gooty64]

Romney owned electronic voting machines being shut off and replaced with paper ballet voting because of glitches... Thanks Anonymous!!!


Hart Intercivic, meanwhile, provides voting machines for 370 jurisdictions around the nation, with about 17.7 million registered voters.

One of the jurisdictions with Hart Intercivic equipment is Hamilton County -- which includes Cincinnati, the third-largest city in the hotly contested swing state of Ohio... link to story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/pro-romney-firm-voting-machines_n_2006697.html)

this is one of their Pennsylvania machines...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

By the sounds of many on this forum voting is a joke and doesn't matter, that the elections are an illusion and some even think that the "next president" is determined way before the actual election takes place.....well, if this is true then what does it matter if the voting machines don't work right?????

Correct!

and to continue following that stream of logic this thread should be closed or never existed in the first place:caked:

[ThePythonicCow]

wow this is surprising cause it is easy to spot. I thought the offense would be done in the counting algorithm, not the voting side.

Yeah ... which might mean that this "glitch" was planted by the Obama side, to make the Romney side look bad.

I'd wager both sides are cheating, and both sides working overtime to paint the other side as cheats.

[PurpleLama]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/06/obama-votes-for-romney/


“Well, he might have,” said Mark Crispin Miller on his blog site. He doesn’t know. Nor do other voters. Corporate owned, programmed and manipulated electronic voting machines control things.

The Carter Center monitors elections globally. It refuses to do so in America because free, fair and open standards don’t exist.

Jimmy Carter calls Venezuela’s electoral process “the best in the world.” He said America’s is “one of the worst.” He cited money power controlling them.

Others call US elections shams. They lack legitimacy. Nothing about them reflects democracy. Duopoly power controls things. People have no say. Half the electorate usually opts out for good reason.

Candidates are pre-selected. Key outcomes are predetermined. Media scoundrels suppress truth. Information voters most need goes unreported. Horse managed news and race journalism substitute.

Voter disenfranchisement is rife. Millions are peremptorily stricken from rolls. Violations prohibited under the 1965 Voting Rights Act are commonplace.

It prohibits states from imposing any “voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure (that may) deny or abridge the right of any citizen….to vote on account of race or color.”

Intimidation not to vote or illegal deterrence happens often. Vote caging delists minorities for not answering “do not forward” registered mail sent to prior residences.

Millions of Americans can’t vote because of past criminal records, no matter how minor. Millions more can’t because they’re incarcerated.

Elections are privatized. Corporate America runs them. Touchscreen electronic machines control voting. They’re used to steal. It’s easy. Manipulation controls things.

Vetting isn’t done. Verifiable receipts aren’t provided. Votes cast for candidate A can count twice for candidate B. There’s no way to check.

Corporate run machines are inherently flawed. They’re designed that way. They’re used to steal.

Investigative journalist Greg Palast said “get ready for massive voter fraud.” He expects 5.9 million “spoiled” or otherwise not counted votes.

On November 5, Roger Johnson headlined “How I Hacked An Electronic Voting Machine.”

“What do you need to rig an election,” he asked? “A basic knowledge of electronics and $30 worth of RadioShack gear” works fine.

Imagine how much easier it is by manipulating software to elect corporate choices.

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More at link....

[gooty64]

Or it could have been planted by the Romney camp to make you think that way......:noidea:


Yeah ... which might mean that this "glitch" was planted by the Obama side, to make the Romney side look bad.

[GCS1103]

There were reports of people voting for Romney and Obama's name kept popping up. They had to call over observers from both parties to "fix" the problem. This rigging is going on with both parties. It's very naive to think that only one side is engaging in voter fraud.

[SilentFeathers]

It makes more logical sense to me that some way some how voting does have it's purpose.....but what do I know? I'm just a high school drop out who lives in a shack on a mountain....

PS: I did get my GED in 1982 though and have spent the rest of my life up until now pursuing a PHD in common sense....:)

[ThePythonicCow]

That process without a paper trail for audit and ticket for you to review and approve is why elections are nearly worthless in this country.

(edit - well that and the fact that all the choices are already pre-selected and controlled for the most important offices.)
And the news about the choices carefully controlled propaganda ... and the education of the voters dumbed down "social studies" ... and the minds of those voters ruined by toxins in the food, air, water and drugs, ... ;)

It's amazing we get any sort of reasonable officials elected at all.

(oh wait ... we don't.)

[aranuk]

Not only are the voting machines currupt but the whole god damn elections are corrupt. If the system is corrupt (No Ron Paul) then why be amazed that the machines are too? Every damned thing in the US seems to be corrupt, the judicial system, the Fed, the politicians, the courts, the police, the universities, everything. You guys will have to start at scratch one in order to make things right.

Stan

[chancy]

Hello All Voters:
This video has been discussed here a few times but seems to be appropriate at this time.

A full version of "Hacking Democracy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFJeVsOy5Xo

Everyone wishes democracy is not rigged but after watching "Hacking Democracy" you might think differently.

Enjoy the truth!
chancy

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A quote from the uploader:

"I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video."

This is absolutely unacceptable! This machine should have been removed immediately.

Raf.

Absolutely right !
The voting-machines are a democratic farce at this point.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farce)

The OP video is not very clear and conclusive, though ...
- this one (replayed 06 nov. 2012) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QdpGd74DrBM

Be Well.

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[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Msm has picked up this story:confused:
Source: http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/11/electronic-voting-machines-run.html

Electronic voting machines running into trouble
20:17 6 November 2012
Hal Hodson, technology reporter

Millions of voters are flocking to the polls today across the US, but those who cast their ballots at one electronic voting machine in Pennsylvania faced a challenge if they tried to vote for Barack Obama.

A video showing a voting machine preventing a voter from choosing Barack Obama, ticking the box next Mitt Romney's name instead, was posted on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_machine_altering_votes/) earlier today. MSNBC (http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/) subsequently confirmed the veracity of the video, and reported that the offending machine had been removed.
QdpGd74DrBM


Such an obvious glitch is likely to be a technical problem, rather than voter fraud. However, the Pennsylvania case isn't the only hiccup: a similar fault has been reported in North Carolina (http://raleightelegram.com/201211063793) as well.

Reddit user "centralpavote", who shot the video, recounted his discovery on the online forum:


My wife and I went to the voting booths this morning before work. There were 4 older ladies running the show and 3 voting booths that are similar to a science fair project in how they fold up. They had an oval VOTE logo on top center and a cartridge slot on the left that the volunteers used to start your ballot.

I initially selected Obama but Romney was highlighted. I assumed it was being picky so I deselected Romney and tried Obama again, this time more carefully, and still got Romney.

Being a software developer, I immediately went into troubleshoot mode. I first thought the calibration was off and tried selecting Jill Stein to actually highlight Obama. Nope. Jill Stein was selected just fine. Next I deselected her and started at the top of Romney's name and started tapping very closely together to find the 'active areas'. From the top of Romney's button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama's name was all active for Romney. From the bottom of that same checkbox to the bottom of the Obama button (basically a small white sliver) is what let me choose Obama. Stein's button was fine. All other buttons worked fine.

I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said 'It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK', and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video.



C'mon it "just" one spoiled apple thrown out of basked...

[KiwiElf]

An emotional Obama makes his closing argument in Iowa
Yahoo! New Zealand November 7, 2012, 10:52 am

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/15316444/an-emotional-obama-makes-his-closing-argument-in-iowa/

DES MOINES, Iowa - On the final night of his campaign for reelection, President Barack Obama returned to Iowa, the state where his candidacy first took root more than four years ago.

The event had all the trappings of a typical Obama rally: American flags lined the risers above cheerful Democrats, generators hummed in the distance, powering the flood lights, and a crowd of 20,000 filled the boulevard that led to the Iowa state capital building. After a prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Anthem, a performance by Bruce Springsteen and an introduction from his wife, Michelle, Obama approached the stage to the music of U2, just as he has done so many times before.

But this night, quite likely the final presidential rally of Obama's career, was different. The president appeared more patient and familiar, taking time to tell stories instead of repeating campaign slogans. His remarks retained the outline of his stump speech, but he devoted much of the night to reminiscing about his first campaign in 2008 and tried to re-energize his supporters with anecdotes from the past. While he spoke, a photographer captured a moment when a tear appeared to flow down his cheek.

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"I came back to ask you to help us finish what we've started because this is where our movement for change began," Obama said, pointing behind him to the modest building that housed his first Iowa campaign office in 2008. "Right here."

The location is meaningful for the president. Before the Iowa caucuses of January 2008, Obama was seen as little more than a long shot challenger to then-New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, whose nomination seemed inevitable. But when Iowa Democrats visited their caucus sites, they chose Obama. The momentum would ultimately squeeze Clinton out of the lead and launch Obama on a journey that took him to the White House.

Four years later, after the first term of a presidency that pursued often divisive policies, Obama has returned to these Iowan stomping grounds--older and, admittedly, his hair grayer--to try and close the deal.

In his speech Monday, which went on longer than his usual campaign address, Obama recalled the earliest days of his first campaign. He paid homage to Edith S. Childs, a local councilwoman in South Carolina who was one of his earliest supporters and who coined the chant, "Fired up! Ready to go," which became a staple of his campaign in 2008.

He also reflected on his own presidency, conceding that he knew that his supporters sometimes found themselves "frustrated by the pace of change."

"I promise you," Obama told the crowd. "So have I."

It was all the more reason, Obama argued, to re-elect him. While the president did not once mention his opponent by name in this speech, he warned that "progress" would be lost and vowed to fight against "the status quo" in his second term.

Whether Americans will offer him a fresh opportunity may be known in the next 24 hours, and both campaigns are making a play for Iowa. Despite the state's modest six Electoral College votes, Iowa has played an outsized role this election cycle. Both candidates have invested significant resources into securing victory here. While it's not an absolute must-win, Obama's efforts here have forced Romney to secure support elsewhere, just in case.
While Romney has events planned in Ohio and Pennsylvania Tuesday, Obama decided to make Monday night his final public appearance before election night. He'll spend part of the day Tuesday playing basketball while the votes are counted.

"It's out of my hands now," Obama said. "It's in yours. All of it depends on what you do."

[WhiteFeather]

All of it depends on what the 27 layers above Obama tell him what to do,,not us the people,, again he is just The Men's Room Cologne and Towel Clerk, nothing more, but could be less. Or Perhaps he could be the person that changes the deodorizing discs in the mens urinals, so he could be less.
Anyways,,,Obama got my vote today, I couldn't see This Perpetrator Romney running this country being advised by Big Pappa Bush and his dark henchmen. I chose the lesser of poisons today.

[KiwiElf]

All of it depends on what the 27 layers above Obama tell him what to do,,not us the people,, again he is just The Men's Room Cologne and Towel Clerk, nothing more, but could be less. Or Perhaps he could be the person that changes the deodorizing discs in the mens urinals, so he could be less.
Anyways,,,Obama got my vote today, I couldn't see This Perpetrator Romney running this country being advised by Big Pappa Bush and his dark henchmen. I chose the lesser of poisons today.

LOL - NZ'ers have a vote running on MSM web pages too, so far, Kiwi preferences are roughly 70-75% in favour of Obama...

[Carmody]

wow this is surprising cause it is easy to spot. I thought the offense would be done in the counting algorithm, not the voting side.

This is their way around being able to say that the 'software was not rigged', and it will not be, when it is checked. It is the interface to the software, the Input system itself, that has been manipulated, or rigged.

[Carmody]

the kubotan keychain is so useful. does a nice job with touch sensitive screens. renders the hardware useless, so people have to go to paper systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan

[Flash]

the kubotan keychain is so useful. does a nice job with touch sensitive screens. renders the hardware useless, so people have to go to paper systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan

I have one, I don't even know if it is legal in Canada. But I was asked quite a lot of questions while crossing the US border (had forgotten it was my key chain and had to give the trunk keys to the custom agent, I played dummy, he finally explained to me laughing how to use it in the eyes of opponents).

[Initiate]

Having worked in IT and with Touch screens, it looks like the touch screen isn't calibrated correctly. It basically means the simulated mouse clicks (x,y) are offset from the physical display. Simply, who ever set up the voting machine failed to caibrate the screen correctly. No Conspiracy, just slack deployment of technology.

[Tane Mahuta]

All of it depends on what the 27 layers above Obama tell him what to do,,not us the people,, again he is just The Men's Room Cologne and Towel Clerk, nothing more, but could be less. Or Perhaps he could be the person that changes the deodorizing discs in the mens urinals, so he could be less.
Anyways,,,Obama got my vote today, I couldn't see This Perpetrator Romney running this country being advised by Big Pappa Bush and his dark henchmen. I chose the lesser of poisons today.

Hi WhiteFeather...you have my condolences!!

To be honest I had my hopes on Ron Paul...

TM

[Lifebringer]

Tagg Romney, one of the sons owns a 1/3rd of the US voting machines.

[delfine]

His own words:

[Flash]

He should do much more than that.

He should send money to rebuild all schools, hospitals, roads, homes and everything else destroyed by the US Army abroad.

In fact, he should return all the money the USA has profited from wars back to these countries.

My mother always told that whenever I brake something, I have to fix it. It´s part of my personal ethics code.

I doubt that Obama, or the United States government, or even the entire nation, have the power to fix what they have helped break.

They could at most own up to what they've done, stop doing more of it, and assist in the multi-generational healing that must follow.

IF true, there is a reason for it. Paul is surely right because I have never seen US giving any dollar without a direct interest and payback (not nice to say, but true).


the United States investing millions to refurbish mosques as a good-will effort in Muslim countries has upset many taxpayer groups.

The article mention that Arabs respect strenght and this is seen as weakness. I partially agree with this. It could be better to build non Mosque related schools. However, the article says mosques were repaired in Cyprus CYPRUS, OF ALL CYPRUS

Let me laugh a thousand times. The Greek Cyprus or the Turkish Cyprus?. Surely the Turkish Cyprus. Turkey is the main allied to US in the Middle East. Turkey is FAR from radical on the contrary, they are FOR US and have one of the main US military base in ASIA and Europe combined. Cyprus is a strategic point to go back and forth to any other Middle East country.

PLEASE study your worldwide politics and geography. I bet most American do not know where Cyprus is, who owns it and why it is SOOOOOO strategic to the US.

This article is only to create fear and hatred putting everything in the same basket with no discernment. I am glad the writers are not representing USA in worldwide affairs they would bombard Brasil thinking it is Syria.

And then a picture of Obama with the Crescent and the Star, Muslim symbolism.

They just forgot one thing: Obama's hand are joined like in a prayer .... a prayer the Christian way because Muslim do not pray that way. For God sake, if something has to be faked, lets fake it correctly.

[Flash]

Here

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushKiss2.jpg

And it is not a fake picture, there is multiple on the web in different faces positions.

The guy Bush is kissing is Muslim, isn't he?

[gooty64]

David Icke on Obama

"To give the illusion of choice while having no choice whatsoever"

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Here is a shorter video:

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more...

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[pyrangello]

A felllow avalon told me 2 years back money isn't real anymore , it doesn't matter what the government hands out as all they are doing is printing the currency with nothing of value behind it. Since we have gotten off the gold standard this is where we are now.

Worse than Greece

A report from the International Monetary Fund (the global debt dispensers) points out that the US debt per person is now more than 35% higher than Greece.

Indeed. Still, there's another reason why we don't have an economic recovery, too: The average person under age 18 is looking at starting their work life with something like $218-thousand in debt.

I figured I would give this one last hooorah! To support someone who would get a system back in line to preserve some type of sanity. As we now are staring the very very real possibility of in excess of 20 trillion in debt in the coming years and over a trillion in interest per year we are now on the path of the end of this republic. Republics historically only last 200 years and this country is at 230 years now. Not only are the people in charge voting in their own raises, trading stock on insider tips to make money and printing money out of thin air,it has now successfully instilled the belief that government will take care of you, some 12 million americans have cell phones paid by our government, I know people personally who got on social security disability that can still work , but why at $2200.00 a month . It goes on and on and now some 52% of the american citizens pay nothing into the federal tax system here. My friends office manager made 30,000 dollars last year , she paid in 7,000 dollars in federal income tax and socaial security. Because she is single and has one child , her income tax refund was $7000 so she contributed nothing. Want to here something better, and between her and her boyfriend they own 7 houses.

I've employed probaly in the last 25 years over 600 people in my lifetime, I just have a small company now , but I truly think I am at the threashold of just telling everyone I know to get on as much governement aid as you can, it doesn't matter anymore and this will collapse one day so just live as best as you can because truly money isn't real anymore and now the scales have tipped to more people taking than putting in and now we have 4 more years of stepping on the gas peddle as hard as you can to give more out. I am very sad today as there are more americans now thinking of what can I get than what can I contribute.

Just on a practical math basis, this system of math will not last.

[pyrangello]

One more thing, During the course of my lifetime I have traveled to europe, traveled to central america, much of north amercia and america. Many many countries rely on american travelers to help boost their economies. Last year i was in costa rica and was talking to the taxi driver, I asked how are things down here. He told me that 500,000 americans and canadians have homes in costa rica but many are not coming down becuase the americans and canadians are not spending the money to travel.

What I am trying to convey, is this direction this country is moving in does have an impact worldwide, I will just continue to pray and stay with my faith as that is nothing that can be taken away, given away , or taxed. For that reason alone I will smile and continue to help who I can along the way.

[gooty64]

Listen @ 3:10 of the second video from the OP.

"This is not America doing this. This is not America doing this. This is the cabal doing this through America. The idea is to destroy America and to use America and to destroy America.
Why?
Because when you want to a world govt. dictatorship you can not have any super powers that have the military and financial might to say no to what you are saying must happen.
Because the world govt. intends to have a world Army, world central bank, and a world currency -eventually. and they'll manipulate the financial situation to bring that about or try to.
So what they need to do to take the super power America out is they need to destroy it militarily and they need to destroy it financially and thats what they are doing they are using it on their foreign excursions and their undermining it's economy to destroy America and it is going down the pan so fast and this guy is being used as the front man ~nice smile~ Barack Hussein Obama.....

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[humanalien]

Listen @ 3:10 of the second video from the OP.

"This is not America doing this. This is not America doing this. This is the cabal doing this through America. The idea is to destroy America and to use America and to destroy America.
Why?
Because when you want to a world govt. dictatorship you can not have any super powers that have the military and financial might to say no to what you are saying must happen.
Because the world govt. intends to have a world Army, world central bank, and a world currency -eventually. and they'll manipulate the financial situation to bring that about or try to.
So what they need to do to take the super power America out is they need to destroy it militarily and they need to destroy it financially and thats what they are doing they are using it on their foreign excursions and their undermining it's economy to destroy America and it is going down the pan so fast and this guy is being used as the front man ~nice smile~ Barack Hussein Obama.....

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I agree with you but i don't understand something.

Why would america, want to give up all that power and wealth,
just to give it away to a world government? It makes no sense.

Could the (not yet existing) world government be threatening
america with something to gain control over it or maybe america
was promised to have world powers, at some time in the future?

Still makes no sense. We already have far reaching arms into
the affairs of other countries, so in a sense, america rules over
the world. We are the super power. Why would america give
that up?

[GoodETxSG]

Some of these "People" have been "Elbow Deep" up the rears of our leaders from the beginning... after Mass Media the puppet masters have been working in over drive.... but we aid them with our stupidity so its not that hard of a job for them... more amusing than anything I would think... they are sociopaths you have to remember...

[Cidersomerset]

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/obama-puppet.jpg


David has done 20 years of frontline reseach on most front line 'geo political'
and domestic politics on both side of the pond !!

I have been using a lot of his stuff on the 'Jimmy Saville thread '...

He may not get everything correct , but he is more on the pulse of
events than most in the mainstream !!


I agree with you but i don't understand something.

Why would america, want to give up all that power and wealth,
just to give it away to a world government? It makes no sense.

He explains it very well on here.....

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The reason peodiphiles and criminals, fraudsters, Banksters,Lawyers, drug dealers
end up in positions of power is no coincidence...Your Bush's,Clintons and others
come from a political elite that have been groomed for power....

From a early age they are corrupted , to be blackmailed later if they brake ranks.
their reward is power,wealth and on the whole being above the law.

Think Eton, Scull & bones ,Bilderburge .Bohemian grove and other institutions
then you realise , the 99% are still only glorified surfs, slaves to the economic
system and we in the west are supposed to be the lucky ones!!

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This is off Davids site today and illustates the point.....The same can be for
any country !!


The Establishment: All Friends Together
Wednesday, 07 November 2012 11:51

Royalty and politicians of 'different' parties all peeing in the same pot.

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20122/_43058803_blairprince_afp_416.jpg


Read more on link.....


http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75057-the-establishment-all-friends-together

[SilentFeathers]

Hearing about and seeing on the news channels all these people running to vote for Obama, (or Romney for that matter), it actually really makes me wonder who the real puppets truly are....

[observer]

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/ReptilianHybrid.jpg

[PurpleLama]

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/ReptilianHybrid.jpg

Hmmm, what would that skull look like? The starchild, perhaps?

[truth4me]

I didn't vote. Why vote when I firmly believe they are the 2 sides of the same coin ? If I voted I would have gone against what I firmly believed then I would have been a hypocrite to myself. I try only to feed the BEAST when I have to.......granted I do throw crumbs around to keep cable and my internet on.:sorry:

[Daughter of Time]

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/ReptilianHybrid.jpg

Would it make any difference if Romney had won the election?

Would it make any difference if anyone else permitted to run would have won the presidential election?

Since choice is just an illusion and the candidates are all puppets then no current potential candidate would make any difference.

Jessee Ventura says he will run for the next election. He's someone I would trust more than any known potential candidate. But will they ever let that man get close to the position of running the country? If he does run in the next election, I would be pleased, but very afraid for him. I'd be afraid he would not be allowed to hold that post, perhaps by silencing him, perhaps, unfortunately, silencing him permanently.

Observer, in your opinion, would the current situation possibly change enough to allow someone like Jessee to head the country?

[Ba-ba-Ra]

http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/ReptilianHybrid.jpg

Would it make any difference if Romney had won the election?

Would it make any difference if anyone else permitted to run would have won the presidential election?

Since choice is just an illusion and the candidates are all puppets then no current potential candidate would make any difference.

Jessee Ventura says he will run for the next election. He's someone I would trust more than any known potential candidate. But will they ever let that man get close to the position of running the country? If he does run in the next election, I would be pleased, but very afraid for him. I'd be afraid he would not be allowed to hold that post, perhaps by silencing him, perhaps, unfortunately, silencing him permanently.

Observer, in your opinion, would the current situation possibly change enough to allow someone like Jessee to head the country?

Exactly, You don't get to be president of USA or any other country unless you are useful to the PTB. All political figures are all window dressing. Maybe some of them are delusional enough to think they have power (but I'm sure they quickly find out that's not true) - just as we are delusional enough to think we have choice. Some of us haven't figures that out yet.

[observer]

[....snip]

Jessee Ventura says he will run for the next election. He's someone I would trust more than any known potential candidate. But will they ever let that man get close to the position of running the country? If he does run in the next election, I would be pleased, but very afraid for him. I'd be afraid he would not be allowed to hold that post, perhaps by silencing him, perhaps, unfortunately, silencing him permanently.

Observer, in your opinion, would the current situation possibly change enough to allow someone like Jessee to head the country?

There was no choice offered in this election. Given four more years, the Mass of Humanity might grow wise enough to see the illusion.

Just for the record, Daughter of Time, I voted for Gary Johnson.

Johnson was the Libertarian Candidate indorsed by Jesse Ventura.

You can be sure I will be voting for Ventura in '16.

If humanity makes it that far....


http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b509/POV_At_Exit_0/ReptilianHybrid.jpg

For those members who may have been confused by the image I provided in the comment #7, had I the technical ability, I would have made the image of the reptilian hybrid morph into the image of Barak Obama.

[East Sun]

And as in politics today it's rule by corruption and we the public have no power. Actually, the top politicians have limited power. It's hard to change the course of a river.

[TargeT]

Sorry if its in there and I missed it... where is the link to this article? I want to post it on my Facebook Corruption Page.

This is the actual source of the article from 2011:


August 18, 2011
Obama: The Affirmative Action President


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/obama_the_affirmative_action_president.html

[KiwiElf]

The fun followup will be the wild conspiracy mongering that has already begun on Fox News, claiming ACORN and the Black Panthers rigged the election.

It is a reasonable estimate, not without some backing, that 5 million votes were flipped to Romney through software hacking, ballot box stuffing and simply destroying ballots.

- Gordon Duff

Full article at Veterans link here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/06/romney-landslide-loser-refuses-timely-concession/

Related story/thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51688-The-Most-Lied-About-Election-in-American-History-by-Gordon-Duff

[TargeT]

So Obama 'n crew must have cheated harder?

[DeDukshyn]

This:



In short: our president is a small-minded man, with neither the
temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand
that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of
liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise
with such a man in the Oval Office.

reminds me of every leader of almost every G8 Nation in the last 12 years .. no?

[KiwiElf]

And Reagan was a "B" grade actor... if one wants to use tunnel vision ;)

[guayabal]

come on guys... the programmer of this machine surely was a fellow avalonian, what the video doesn't show is that pushing on Romney causes a vote for Jill Stein.

[Cidersomerset]

Election 2012


George Bush Accidentally Votes For Obama

Nov. 06, 2012



http://www.internetweekly.org/images/bush_idiot.jpg


c8vGI9d_4RE



http://newzmakerz.com/2012/11/08/george-bush-accidently-votes-for-the-wrong-guy/

Former U.S. president George W. Bush accidentally voted for Barack Obama today at a polling place near his Crawford, TX home.

According to local reports, the two-term Republican was confused by the instructions on his electronic voting machine and mistakenly cast a ballot he intended to discard.

Witnesses say Bush argued with poll workers for several minutes afterwards in a effort to redo his vote, but in accordance with state law they ultimately denied his request.

The embarrassing incident may have gone unnoticed if it weren't for a local newspaper reporter who happened to be voting in the next booth. Suzanna Everett, a politics correspondent for the Waco Times witnessed the entire ordeal and crafted a cunning scheme to make it public.

Left On Red


Barred by ethics rules from using knowledge gained within a polling station, Everett waited for Bush to leave the facility and ambushed him with a trick question designed to fool him into revealing the news himself:

"Mr. President Fox News is reporting that you've accidentally voted for Barack Obama. Would you care to comment?"

Thinking that his mistake had already been found out, Bush sought to minimize the damage:

"Yes unfortunately because of the incompetence of the folks who designed the ballot, my vote counted for the other guy," Bush responded. He then attempted to explain exactly how the mishap occurred:

"First of all, everything was very mismaladjusted on the screen. You shouldn't put the senators and the congresspeople and the presidents all jumbled together like that. It's too crowded. Just confuses folks."

Bush then explained that after marking the wrong candidate, he sought to correct his error by clicking the red "Cast Ballot" button, thinking that it was designed to 'cast away' the ballot and bring up a fresh one:

"Usually red means stop and green means go. I thought I was stopping"

A New Legacy

Bush is no stranger to election day controversy, having been pushed into office himself by the Florida fiasco of 2000. In that election hundreds of votes intended for Democratic rival Al Gore went to protest candidate Pat Buchanan instead due to poor ballot design.

In an official statement released shortly after the event, former President Bush said his experiences today have inspired him to make electoral reform the signature cause of his post-presidency:

"Laura and I will be dedicating the next few years to fixing our electoral system. Every American deserves a clear, simple ballot when they go to the polling place."

However, the system Bush used has been deployed successfully around the country with little incident. A spokesperson for the company that manufactures the machines says they stand by their product:

"Until today we have never had a single instance of someone confusing the "cast ballot" button for a "cast away ballot" button. This is a problem unique to Mr. Bush, and we have no plans to change our machines."

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/11/06/george-bush-accidently-votes-obama/?fb_action_ids=4125777017366&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%224125777017366%22%3A369597646463217%7D&action_type_map=%7B%224125777017366%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map

[markpierre]

God, I thought this was another Onion satire. It's not?

Let me suggest as electoral reform, that in the future red means stop and green means go. A monkey should not be expected to read.

And to 'cast your ballot' means to realize that you're an idiot.

[Calz]

Yeah well ... these things do occur after a few years of having people throw shoes at you ...


http://newsthatmattersnot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bush-Shoe-Throw-Game.jpg

[Flash]

After stealing so many votes in past election, now he knows how it feels to have one's vote stolen. karma is good.:cool:

[WhiteFeather]

The best part of Boy George Bush ran down his fathers leg......

[Flash]

Whitefeather, Someone I know would have called it a wasted f ck (oups)

[Black Panther]

I wouldn't be surprised Boy Bush voting wrong and pushing the red button to correct,
looking at his decisions made during the time he was predident, but it's a hoax:

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/11-08-12-george-w-bush-pulled-into-a-ridiculous-voting-hoax/

Funny hoax, though! And a funny guy.

19144

[Flash]

I would love to think it is not a hoax, let us think please.

[Cidersomerset]

ITs the sort of 'Bush Tucker' Trial that may still have a kick in the 'Tail' !!...LOL...


http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/political-pictures-barack-obama-george-bush-shhh.jpg



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This might have confused ..'Boy George ' !!

[Cidersomerset]

Before we get to sentimental about our 'Luver'able Fake Tormented Texan...



He is still part of the 'Neo Mobsters' Who hijaked America on 9/11...

KlWSv0NZBRw


HWqKPWO5T4o


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The Don....
http://cache.comcorpusa.com/465/0/crop/ketk/media/news/george_hw_bush.jpg

The Sons
http://www.reflectionsphotoinc.com/images/portfolio/portfolio_three_bushes_two.jpg



The Family
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/01/images/20050106-7_010605-bushfamilyph-515h.jpg

The Leutenants

http://www.amnestyusa.org/sites/default/files/images/imported/i/bushrumsfeldevil.jpg

The Buisness meetings.............Cabinet 2007

http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/west-wing/cabinet-room/cabinet-room-2006.jpg

[gripreaper]

That's what happens to single mothers when they try to put food on their families!!! Or, OBGYN's who can't "practice the love"

What a bufoon!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ&feature=fvwrel

[StarDust]

As much as I would love for this story to be true, apparently it is false and was originally written as satire.

See here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/bushvote.asp

[gripreaper]

As much as I would love for this story to be true, apparently it is false and was originally written as satire.

That might be why it was posted in the "Lighter Side" section of Avalon, along with all the other jokes.

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by StarDust (here)
As much as I would love for this story to be true, apparently it is false and was originally written as satire.


gripreaper
That might be why it was posted in the "Lighter Side" section of Avalon, along with all the other jokes. [/QUOTE]



Be6tunbRcs8


http://prophetofdoom.net/pics/Islamic_Clubs_Taliban/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg

THE BUSH ' FAMILY' HAS CLOSE TIES TO THE BIN LADEN 'FAMILY' !!!

AND THE SUADI ROYAL FAMILY !


http://www.funnyandjokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/bush-abdullah.jpg


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMJipbV_wkO8uXUo1xijz2GCKUrugigyO7bXMIroDqjtQL07xypRnf0QVIaA

Yes. That picture to right is former President George W. Bush holding hands with the evil Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak. Cute, isn't it?

George had lost his 'mummy' ...Barbara !! In Happier days for Hosni..


http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/O/c/bush_dick_hands.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZxKAf8oOwtI/SOYFcBtSXRI/AAAAAAAAQRw/ctqUXj6Cgw4/s400/GeorgeBushMahmoudAbbasHoldingHands%5B1%5D.JPG

"If you tell a soul about this George " !! " You Know I have my shotgun in the trunk"

" Oh Dick you worry to much " " Holding hands is for puppies " !! " BUDDIES " !!

[angelahedgehog]

Perhaps he's the perfect person to perform end-user testing when the software is upgraded. From what he describes, it doesn't sound usable and if you can't read - and let's face it illiteracy is higher than it should be - the colours for cancel and proceed should be consistent with the rest of the world. Red means stop and green means go. And there you have it right from President Pretzel! Bless 'im ;)

Edit: (Aw nurtz!! It's a hoax :'( .... I suppose in the spirit of satire I'll keep what I originally wrote above)

[KiwiElf]

Now it’s payback time! Why Obama should bust Netanyahu for 9/11
Monday, November 12th, 2012 | Posted by Kevin Barrett
by Kevin Barrett, for Press TV

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/12/now-its-payback-time-why-obama-should-bust-netanyahu-for-911/

All observers admit it: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did everything in his power to destroy President Barack Obama’s political career. President Obama should return the favor. He should destroy Netanyahu’s career in the biggest, most spectacular way possible – by busting Netanyahu for 9/11.

The major US and international media, owned and operated by cheerleaders for Israel, are so terrified by this prospect that they are trying to pretend it is “business as usual” between the US and Israel – maybe even between Obama and Netanyahu – despite the obvious blood feud between the US president and the Israeli prime minister.

One exception: The post-election Yahoo News story headlined “Obama victory spells trouble for Israel’s Netanyahu.” The author, Jeffrey Heller, writes: “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces an even more awkward time with Washington and re-energized critics at home who accused him on Wednesday of backing the loser in the US presidential election. With Iran topping his conservative agenda, Netanyahu will have to contend with a strengthened second-term Democratic president after four years of frosty dealings with Barack Obama and a rift over how to curb Tehran’s nuclear program.”

Heller’s article frames the dispute between Obama and Netanyahu according to the Israeli propaganda template. It suggests that Obama’s only two choices are (a) to launch a major war against Iran, as desired by Netanyahu, or (b) to continue imposing sanctions to starve the Iranian people, in order to punish Iran’s leaders for pursuing a peaceful nuclear energy program – a program that is completely legal under international law, unlike Israel’s massive, illegal nuclear weapons program!

These may be the only two choices that are acceptable to Israel. But they are not the only choices available to Americans.

American strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski, in his 1999 book The Grand Chessboard, pointed out that the most important single element of a viable US strategy in Eurasia is friendship with Iran. What Brzezinski did not state outright, but left for the discerning reader to discover “between the lines,” is that Israel is badly damaging US national interests by forcing the US to be an enemy of Iran.

Israel hates Iran because Iran’s leaders, like the vast majority of the people of the Middle East, do not accept apartheid Israel as a legitimate state.

That is indeed a problem for Israel. But why is it a problem for the US?

If the US maintained good relations with Iran – not a client state relationship as existed under the Shah, but a friendship-of-equals based on mutual respect and shared interests – the US strategic position in Eurasia would be greatly enhanced.

Then why is the US starving the Iranian people, murdering Iranian scientists, paying MEK terrorists to bomb and kill large numbers of innocent people, and generally doing everything it can to hurt Iran? The short answer: Because Israeli interests dictate US Mideast policy.

Some apologists for Israel claim that it’s really about US dollar hegemony. They say that Iran’s move to sell oil and gas in other currencies threatens the US dollar, which is why the US is so antagonistic to Iran.

What these critics don’t understand is that the US dollar is not the US dollar. It’s the Zionist dollar.

The US dollar is issued by the Federal Reserve, a private corporation owned by the biggest “American” banks. But those banks are not really American. The leading banksters who create American dollars out of nothing, backed by nothing, are ethnically Jewish and primarily loyal to the state of Israel.

After all, the Rothschild family, the biggest of the “eight families,” created Israel as its base of criminal operations. Even mainstream historians admit that Lord Rothschild created Israel in 1917 by handing the British an offer they couldn’t refuse: “We can win World War I for you, by dragging America into the war – but in return, you must give us Palestine.”

To put it simply: The Rothschild-led bankster cartel has been occupying Palestine since 1917. And it has been occupying the USA since the Federal Reserve coup d’état of 1913.

So the US and Iran are actually allies, not adversaries, in the battle against Zionist dollar hegemony.

The Zionist bankster cartel that prints our currency out of thin air can easily print enough money to buy up virtually all major Western media. That’s why most Westerners have unconsciously accepted a pro-Israel world-view.

The banksters also have enough money to buy as many politicians as they need. That is why the US Congress and the White House are Israeli-occupied territory.

But today, thanks to Netanyahu’s overweening chutzpah, Obama and allied forces in the US military and intelligence communities have a chance to do what no US President since JFK has dared to do: Tell Israel to go to hell.

All Obama has to do is go on television and announce: “We have discovered credible evidence of Israeli involvement in 9/11 and the subsequent cover-up. As of this moment, I am declaring a state of national emergency based on undeniable evidence that our nation has been covertly attacked and occupied by a hostile foreign power. I have ordered the FBI to arrest several thousand suspected Israeli agents, and I will be forming a second 9/11 Commission, led by former President Carter, to expose the full, horrible truth about the 9/11 attacks.”

Such “scorched earth” payback from Obama would be exactly what Netanyahu deserves.

Netanyahu, a close personal friend of confessed 9/11 criminal Larry Silverstein, went on record immediately after 9/11 chortling that the attack on America was “very good.”

Then he quickly added that what he really meant was that 9/11 was very good for Israel.

It is time for President Obama to make Netanyahu eat those words. It is time for the President to shove those words right back down Netanyahu’s throat. It is time for Barack Obama to demonstrate that he is President of the proudly independent United States of America, not just a puppet of Israel and its bankster mafia. It is time for President Obama to end Israel’s stranglehold on American finance, American media, and American foreign policy.

It is time for President Obama to give Netanyahu the payback he has worked so hard to earn.

But does President Obama have the courage, integrity and statesmanship to save the world’s biggest power, the USA, from a filthy little country run by certifiable madmen?

Does he have the courage to do the one thing that will end the phony “war on terror,” and earn him his thus-far-undeserved Nobel Peace Prize? Does he have the vision to do the one thing that could win him “greatest president ever” status in the history books?

Can he get away with it and escape assassination?

The next four years will answer these burning questions.

Related Posts:

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Short URL: http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=229019

[sdv]

Top Myths about Iran’s Nuclear Enrichment Program by Juan Cole

Cole teaches Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan. His latest book, Engaging the Muslim World, is just out in a revised paperback edition from Palgrave Macmillan. He is also the author of Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2007). He has appeared widely on television, radio and on op-ed pages as a commentator on Middle East affairs, and has a regular column at Salon.com. He has written, edited, or translated 14 books and has authored 60 journal articles. His weblog on the contemporary Middle East is Informed Comment.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/17-6

Chronology of Iran's Nuclear Programme, 1957-2007 by Oxford research Group

http://oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/oxford_research_group_chronology_irans_nuclear_programme_1957_2007

Guess who gave Iran the enriched Uranium and plutonium to start their nuclear programme (and who actually wanted Iran to develop nuclear weapons, but which Iran declined to do by shortly thereafter signing the NPT, but then renegaded on that via the Shah, who was the dictator propped up by the USA) way back in the 1960s? USA! What a tangled web this all is!

I like the idea of pushing for an investigation into Israel's involvement in 9/11. I doubt that this will happen though because Obama seems to be completely committed to the official story.

[WhiteFeather]

I enjoyed this paragraph, i commend this insight, which i value and believe is truth as well........."All Obama has to do is go on television and announce: “We have discovered credible evidence of Israeli involvement in 9/11 and the subsequent cover-up. As of this moment, I am declaring a state of national emergency based on undeniable evidence that our nation has been covertly attacked and occupied by a hostile foreign power. I have ordered the FBI to arrest several thousand suspected Israeli agents, and I will be forming a second 9/11 Commission, led by former President Carter, to expose the full, horrible truth about the 9/11 attacks.”

Such “scorched earth” payback from Obama would be exactly what Netanyahu deserves.


Lets see if The Men's Room Cologne Clerk has The Gonads.....


http://oneway2day.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/obama-hates-israel_thumb.jpg?w=507&h=256

[gripreaper]

"All Obama has to do is go on television and announce: “We have discovered credible evidence of Israeli involvement in 9/11 and the subsequent cover-up. As of this moment, I am declaring a state of national emergency based on undeniable evidence that our nation has been covertly attacked and occupied by a hostile foreign power. I have ordered the FBI to arrest several thousand suspected Israeli agents, and I will be forming a second 9/11 Commission, led by former President Carter, to expose the full, horrible truth about the 9/11 attacks.”

I must be dyslexic, because you know what I "hear" when I read that?

My globalist elite controllers, who own Israel and set up Israel for the Zionists back in the 40's to gain a foothold in the entire middle east, to control all resources and governments, wants me to throw them under the bus, and get the entire world population all riled up over 9-11 again, after all the work we have done to hide the 9-11 truth in this difficult information age of the internet, while so many are waking up and realizing it was us who did the dastardly deed of 9-11, and that the Rockerfeller Bush faction as our agents did a fine job, while we reaped the benefits of total slavery of the masses through the Patriot Act. Yea, let's blow the lid wide open again and risk the truth of 9-11 getting out and implicating us.

OR

Those humans are so F'n stupid, we can do anything we want and they just go along with their slavery, lapping it up like a puppy dog, licking our shoes and pleading for more.

[Prodigal Son]

That would, in turn, require Obama to admit to "killing" a guy who was already dead for ten years... and then subsequently disclosing what really happened to that elite Navy Seals team that allegedly did it....

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

[Rocky_Shorz]

none of the Seal Team six team that went on the bin Laden raid were killed in the crash in Afghanistan...

it's a bigger unit than most understand

[Lifebringer]

Men's room cologne clerk, indeed!

ended. Got to drop that neg a tive.

[Rocky_Shorz]

fired up!!!

ready to Roll!!!


Heads...

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

It's not going to happen. As awesome as it would be, and being a ball rolling down a hill that couldn't be stopped. Everything would come out in the wash, and it would be such an upheaval for the world. I think that could be the beginning of a World War 3.

[amandapoet]

Apologies if this was posted elsewhere. A friend posted on another forum (while commenting about the HARRP, Timelines, Ascencions, PDF) that she had heard on the Alex Jones show today that the president had signed control of the internet to the NSA.

I haven't listened to the show, but read the summary of what he discussed which prompted me to look for further sources. I did a quick google search for news related and found this: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/us/cybersecurity-bills-death-opens-door-for-obama-executive-order-662079/

A similar story was also posted on Bloomberg...sure this has been mentioned, but wanted to share in case it wasn't.

~Amanda

[GoodETxSG]

"Please tell Mr. Putin that in MY SECOND TERM I will have a lot more flexibility" = We get what we asked for (Even if the election was completely rigged... we have let it happen for so many years... we accepted it by omitting to object)

[TargeT]

Apologies if this was posted elsewhere. A friend posted on another forum (while commenting about the HARRP, Timelines, Ascencions, PDF) that she had heard on the Alex Jones show today that the president had signed control of the internet to the NSA.

I haven't listened to the show, but read the summary of what he discussed which prompted me to look for further sources. I did a quick google search for news related and found this: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/us/cybersecurity-bills-death-opens-door-for-obama-executive-order-662079/

A similar story was also posted on Bloomberg...sure this has been mentioned, but wanted to share in case it wasn't.

~Amanda


we really need clear facts on something like this, was it a National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD)? if so what number was it (all executive orders come out in a format similar to NSPD-51 or or PD-54 etc..)

Here is a current list of Executive Orders signed by the POTUS's (Obama included)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29

if you knew the name of the Executive order or the number, anything would be helpful as the titles are often quite misleading.

untill that time I would assume that this information is false, or at least exagerated as there is no over all governing body for "the internet".

[amandapoet]

Apologies if this was posted elsewhere. A friend posted on another forum (while commenting about the HARRP, Timelines, Ascencions, PDF) that she had heard on the Alex Jones show today that the president had signed control of the internet to the NSA.

I haven't listened to the show, but read the summary of what he discussed which prompted me to look for further sources. I did a quick google search for news related and found this: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/us/cybersecurity-bills-death-opens-door-for-obama-executive-order-662079/

A similar story was also posted on Bloomberg...sure this has been mentioned, but wanted to share in case it wasn't.


~Amanda


we really need clear facts on something like this, was it a National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD)? if so what number was it (all executive orders come out in a format similar to NSPD-51 or or PD-54 etc..)

Here is a current list of Executive Orders signed by the POTUS's (Obama included)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29

if you knew the name of the Executive order or the number, anything would be helpful as the titles are often quite misleading.

untill that time I would assume that this information is false, or at least exaggerated as there is no over all governing body for "the internet".

I totally agree, again that comment was from someone else, a major overstatement. However, it did prompt me to look into related news that was generating this rumour. I would have to look into the exact the directive numbers, etc. But there were several news stories from mainstream sources that presented the current standing of cybersecurity policies.

I only present this as something to pay attention to as more policies are established publicly that elaborate on the use and collection of individual data.

~Amanda

[ThePythonicCow]

she had heard on the Alex Jones show today that the president had signed control of the internet to the NSA.
The Internet does not have a single point of control. However a fairly tyrannical, fascist, federal government with diverse and potent tools of power at its disposal can and apparently has been and is continuing to increasingly assume substantial control over several critical elements of the Internet.

Scanning over the returns from searching for "obama cybersecurity executive order", I find that the Democrats support a strong Cybersecurity measure by pointing out the threat to our nations security, as evidenced by Senator Lieberman's words, here (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57519484-83/senator-urges-obama-to-issue-cybersecurity-executive-order/).

The Republicans oppose a Cybersecurity bill that imposes "mandates and regulations on the private economy", without also providing "liability protections to allow the private sector and government to better share cyber-threat information", as evidenced by this article in the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577647131630683076.html), by McCain, Hutchison and Chambliss.

Joe Wolverton, II, J.D, at The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com) has been beating the drums of a threat to our liberty from an take over of the Internet by Obama, as evidenced in these articles: Obama Closer to Seizing Control of Cyberspace; Exec. Order Imminent (Oct 24, 2012) (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/13334-obama-closer-to-seizing-control-of-cyberspace-exec-order-imminent) and Is Obama’s Cybersecurity Executive Order Imminent? (Nov 10, 2012) (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/13600-is-obama%E2%80%99s-cybersecurity-executive-order-imminent). These articles seem to be a major basis of other such articles, such as those on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.

Meanwhile, Obama has been:

Coming off as the compromiser, here (http://www.csoonline.com/article/719743/obama-to-compromise-on-cybersecurity-executive-order) and here (http://www.dailydot.com/politics/obama-executive-order-cybersecurity-latest/), while
Secretly signing, before the election, a Presidential Order involving CyberSecurity within the military, that was later divulged after the election in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-signs-secret-cybersecurity-directive-allowing-more-aggressive-military-role/2012/11/14/7bf51512-2cde-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3_story.html) and the New York Times (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/daily-report-cybersecurity-bill-stalls/), and
Preparing a draft Presidential Order (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/386c25518f464186bf7a2ac026580ce7/Article_2012-10-19-Cybersecurity%20Order/id-5f5787e925dd43158d4ec0b851a7bc8e) that would authorize the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to take a very active role in the "CyberSecurity" of systems on the Internet systems which could, if hit by cyberattack, "reasonably result in a debilitating impact” on the country.

In sum, this looks to me like (1) starting a scuffle in the front yard (Democrat vs Republican), while (2) threatening to break down the front door (Wolverton) and (3) at the same time sneaking in the back door to plant some long term threats.

[amandapoet]

Paul,
Thank you for taking the time to research and cite the same articles I was referring to in my post, and for your very thorough analysis of the agenda these articles are attempting to perform.

I 100% agree in your assessment of the information. This was my first thread, and I must confess that sometimes my posts are not as thorough or articulated as much as I'd prefer...I blame my toddler using me as a jungle jim and primarily using my smartphone to post, lol. :o

You more than picked up my slack ;)
~Amanda

[ThePythonicCow]

I blame my toddler using me as a jungle jim
One lucky toddler; one lucky mom :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Meanwhile, Obama has been:

Secretly signing, before the election, a Presidential Order involving CyberSecurity within the military, that was later divulged after the election in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-signs-secret-cybersecurity-directive-allowing-more-aggressive-military-role/2012/11/14/7bf51512-2cde-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3_story.html) and the New York Times (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/daily-report-cybersecurity-bill-stalls/),

There may be more to that one that met the eye.

From Boots on the ground: Obama’s cybersecurity directive could allow military deployment within the US (RT.com) (http://rt.com/usa/news/directive-military-deployment-us-892/):




The White House is being asked by attorneys to explain a top-secret presidential policy directive signed last month that may allow for the domestic deployment of the US military for the sake of so-called cybersecurity.

Lawyers with the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) have filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the office of US President Barack Obama in hopes if hearing more about an elusive order signed in secrecy in mid-October but only made public in an article published this week in the Washington Post.

According to persons close to the White House who have seen the order and spoke with the Post, Presidential Policy Directive 20 (PP20) aims to “finalize new rules of engagement that would guide commanders when and how the military can go outside government networks to prevent a cyberattack that could cause significant destruction or casualties.” Attorneys with EPIC are now demanding that they see this secret order to find out what exactly that could mean, citing the possibility of putting boots on the ground in the United States if the government argues it’s imperative for cybersecurity.

In the FOIA request, EPIC attorneys Amie Stepanovich and Ginger McCall ask to see information about PP20 because they fear it may enable “military deployment within the United States” by way of a “secret law” that lets the National Security Agency and Pentagon put armed forces in charge of protecting America’s cyberinfrastructure and crucial routes of communications.
There's more to the article, at the above link.

[Kryztian]

The U.S. Federal Government is continuing to tighten it's policies to take away the rights and freedoms of the useless eaters (aka "citizens") that dwell there. It is no longer enough to quietly pass legislation in Congress and then have the mainstream media not report on it, but now it is a matter of top secret signed presidential orders.

The administration really seems to be planning for something. Does anyone know what this is???

Russia Today: Boots on the ground: Obama’s cybersecurity directive could allow military deployment within the US (http://rt.com/usa/news/directive-military-deployment-us-892/)

Boots on the ground: Obama’s cybersecurity directive could allow military deployment within the US

The White House is being asked by attorneys to explain a top-secret presidential policy directive signed last month that may allow for the domestic deployment of the US military for the sake of so-called cybersecurity.

Lawyers with the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) have filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the office of US President Barack Obama in hopes if hearing more about an elusive order signed in secrecy in mid-October but only made public in an article published this week in the Washington Post.

According to persons close to the White House who have seen the order and spoke with the Post, Presidential Policy Directive 20 (PP20) aims to “finalize new rules of engagement that would guide commanders when and how the military can go outside government networks to prevent a cyberattack that could cause significant destruction or casualties.” Attorneys with EPIC are now demanding that they see this secret order to find out what exactly that could mean, citing the possibility of putting boots on the ground in the United States if the government argues it’s imperative for cybersecurity.

In the FOIA request, EPIC attorneys Amie Stepanovich and Ginger McCall ask to see information about PP20 because they fear it may enable “military deployment within the United States” by way of a “secret law” that lets the National Security Agency and Pentagon put armed forces in charge of protecting America’s cyberinfrastructure and crucial routes of communications.

“We don’t know what’s in this policy directive and we feel the American public has the right to know,” McCall tells Raw Story this week.

On her part, Stepanovich adds that getting to the truth of the matter could be a nightmare given the NSA’s tendency to keep these sorts of things secret.

“The NSA’s cyber security operations have been kept very, very secret, and because of that it has been impossible for the public to react to them,” Stepanovich adds. “[That makes it] very difficult, we believe, for Congress to legislate in this area. It’s in the public’s best interest, from a knowledge perspective and from a legislative perspective, to be made aware of what authority the NSA is being given.”

The potential of martial law became a topic actually discussed by Congress last year when lawmakers first considered provisions for this year’s National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. Before the House and Senate agreed on including a section to the law letting the White House arrest and detain any US citizen indefinitely without trial or charge, another provision was almost put on the books that would have essentially allowed for military rule during some situations.

The NDAA’s S. 1867 would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a supporter of the bill, said last year.

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H) agreed with his colleague’s claim, telling Congress that “America is part of the battlefield” suggesting that the laws of war are applicable anywhere, even in someone’s own backyard.

EPIC writes that PPD 20 “may violate federal law that prohibits military deployment within the United States without congressional approval” if their worse fear prove correct.

According to the Post’s tale on the directive, the Pentagon now has blueprints to wage more offensive cyberassaults on entities that may be jeopardizing the cybersecurity of domestic computer systems. How they do that, however, remains an issue that the FOIA request will have to coerce from Washington.

[Fred Ryan]

If you examine Obama's ascendance to the White House it just doesn't make sense. How does a junior, one-term Senator from Illinois become President? However, if you view it from the context of “bait and switch” it makes perfect sense. Obama appeared to be the perfect antidote to George Bush. He was everything George Bush was not and could never be. However, in reality, he’s probably far worse and for more dangerous. From a strategic standpoint putting Obama in the White House was ingenious!

Shortly, however, the truth will start to come out!

[Mandala]

Or, is it all going according to plan. CIA directive, groom Obama and insert him into the presidency. Isn't this what the elite have planned all along as part of their master plan. Wasn't Obama told in college he would be President of the United States. All they want is someone to stay on course and follow their agenda. If you stray, you will meet the same fate as JFK. So as long as Obama can follow directives, he is safe. If he bucks their system, they seek a replacement. Dirty little secrets.

[Snoweagle]

Obama or ANY national leader governs "jack all".
The US is a Corporation indebted to the Crown just as every other nation registered at the United Nations.
The US is run by military/industrial corporations who provide the script to Obama.
Corporations are forbidden to break the laws, so they change them. Thats why the Senate, Congress, Houise of Representatives, Houses of Parliament etc exist, to house those politicians sympathetic to the corporations needs. Hence that is why the US Constitution has and is being raped before our very eyes.
It is happening everywhere.

[Referee]

Interesting press release from the White House possible Insider movment away from TPTWTB

4FNV-tl1x8g



mirrorred from the Idahopicker YT

[Selene]

Equally interesting is the timing of the memorandum’s release: on the Friday morning of the long Thanksgiving weekend, when most media types could be expected to be dozing off their turkey and football binge or lemming after Black Friday shopping stories.

Classic way to bury a key piece of info, I’d say.

Text of White House memorandum:




MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES

SUBJECT: National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive Branch Insider Threat Programs

This Presidential Memorandum transmits the National Insider Threat Policy and Minimum Standards for Executive Branch Insider Threat Programs (Minimum Standards) to provide direction and guidance to promote the development of effective insider threat programs within departments and agencies to deter, detect, and mitigate actions by employees who may represent a threat to national security.

These threats encompass potential espionage, violent acts against the Government or the Nation, and unauthorized disclosure of classified information, including the vast amounts of classified data available on interconnected United States Government computer networks and systems.

The Minimum Standards provide departments and agencies with the minimum elements necessary to establish effective insider threat programs. These elements include

• the capability to gather, integrate, and centrally analyze and respond to key threat-related information;

• monitor employee use of classified networks;

• provide the workforce with insider threat awareness training; and

• protect the civil liberties and privacy of all personnel.

The resulting insider threat capabilities will strengthen the protection of classified information across the executive branch and reinforce our defenses against both adversaries and insiders who misuse their access and endanger our national security.

BARACK OBAMA

Cheers,

Selene

[Mark]

The Obama administration has been pretty dedicated to blacklisting and incarcerating Whistleblowers. This probably represents an attempt to standardize and operationalize a program to "big brother" Executive branch agencies and put the fear of unemployment and jail-time in the minds of all employees who might be even considering leaking information.

It would be nice if it were for some positive agenda. But I'm afraid the track record of the White House since Kennedy was killed has been in the opposite direction. But perhaps it is time for a shift. We will see ... the energy certainly is moving towards a more positive direction overall, as far as the world's population in general is concerned.

[RUSirius]

Most definitely time for a shift, waiting to see.

[baddbob]

Donald Trump in perspective

You don't have to be an Obama fan to appreciate this

7eJpWOY3r18

[DeDukshyn]

Hehehe ... that was pretty good ... ;)

[Living Food]

Cheeky, standing up there and talking about the moon landing hoax and Roswell when he knows very well what happened.

But when have our glorious leaders ever told us the truth?

[Ki's]

*BURN* hee hee...that was awesome.

[Debra]

I feel for Donald Trump. Obama does not make me laugh - quite the opposite. The smugness just oozes out of him. Obviously pay back time for Donald. Erky perky, just watching all those sweating hyenas in the audience, laughing for their supper, makes my stomach turn.

[deridan]

time to get people to focus on anything but the truth, and make it seem in to do so, unfortuanately a click has to have a humpty boy to take the piss out off,& there was only one there in the reality tv biz

[TargeT]

Uhmmm, so more indoctrination that asking questions on serious issues is a laughable matter?

This was not funny to me at all, this seemed like another stroke from the masters whip; reminding us to toe the line and believe what we are told... subtle indoctrination is still indoctrination.

[modwiz]

Another infotainment regurgitant. Seconds anyone? :p

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Wanda Sykes at the presidential dinner did a much better job a few years ago i must say( when everybody was still under the impression some real change for the better would make a glorious entrance now, too bad), here is Wanda.

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[Hermite]

Thanks, plumber, that was FUNNY. Some real zingers in there. Love Wanda.

[soleil]

guys, this is just funny propaganda.....:rolleyes:

[Cidersomerset]

This is sad, Are the CIA the new sanctioned 'privateers' that Elizabeth 1 sanctioned
against the Spanish empire in 16th century ?? A civilian entity waging war...
Piracy !!!!


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Published on 27 Nov 2012 by RTAmerica


US President Barack Obama has fast-tracked the creation of a new rulebook on when it is 'legal' to use drones for targeted killings. Two anonymous Obama administration officials claimed that explicit rules were being developed to establish clear standards and procedures for when "lethal action is acceptable." At the center of the debate is whether the remote-control killing should be used as a last resort against direct threats to the US, or instead be available for other purposes such as aiding allies by killing combatants and securing territory.
Col. Morris Davis, professor at Howard University school of Law and former Guantanamo official, joins RT's Kristine Frazao to weigh in on the story.

[soleil]

he's getting a bit scary now isnt he....?

[Cidersomerset]

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European Union wins Nobel Peace Prize

27-nation bloc has 'for over six decades contributed to the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights,' committee chairman says


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/121012-eu-nobel-220a.grid-7x2.jpg

A picture taken on March 25, 1957 in Rome shows foreign affairs ministers signing the treaties creating the European Economic Community (EEC), forerunner of the European Union, and Euratom.




OSLO, Norway — The European Union was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize Friday for its efforts to promote peace and democracy in Europe, in the midst of the union's biggest crisis since its creation in the 1950s. The award was given to the 27-nation bloc because it had "for over six decades contributed to the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe," Nobel committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said.

The committee praised the EU not only for rebuilding after World War II, but also for its role in spreading stability to former communist countries after the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall."The stabilizing part played by the European Union has helped to transform a once torn Europe from a continent of war to a continent of peace," Jagland said.The President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz responded to the Norwegian Nobel Committee announcement on Twitter, saying that the "EU is an unique project that replaced war with peace, hate with solidarity."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49385410/ns/world_news-europe/t/european-union-wins-nobel-peace-prize/



Any one know these Beaurocrats who run the EEC ..LOL..?


http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/files/2012/12/10_euleaders_r_w.jpg


Monday 10 Dec 2012

If Norway likes the EU so much, why doesn’t it live there?



The head of the Norwegian Nobel peace prize committee hasn’t really answered that question. But Thorbjorn Jagland’s praised the EU’s contribution to human rights, peace and democracy anyway. You feel here in Oslo that the EU, in the midst of a pretty horrendous economic crisis, has grabbed this moment with both hands.

The three presidents – presidents of the commission, the European Council and the parliament – look like the three tenors on the platform, grinning from ear to ear.

Just before the three presidents picked up the ultimate international back-slap, there was musical entertainment from a folk combo singing “Europe, in you there is something that is cheering me up” with percussion provided by a man slapping his face and thighs.

One of those applauding that unlikely combo was Mario Monti. His resignation as Italian PM potentially casts another shadow over the eurozone’s attempts to save itself and is a reminder of how shocks could still throw the relative mid-crisis calm back into full-scale tailspin crisis mode.

When David Cameron was asked in October who should pick up the Nobel peace prize on behalf of the EU, he said he certainly wasn’t going and schoolchildren should go. In the end he sent Nick Clegg – not a joke at his expense, the DPM told me in Oslo.

Nick Clegg arrives here just as his coalition partner is starting work in earnest on a long-promised speech about how he sees Europe. In fact, this speech was originally promised for this January. It’s approaching its first anniversary and it hasn’t even been given.

Why the delay? It is momentous “big leap” stuff. David Cameron will say he is demanding repatriated powers for a redesigned UK membership which would then be put to the British people in a referendum.

But his critics, including Nick Clegg and Tony Blair, say he won’t get major powers back so the whole plan could collapse into a referendum on unreformed membership, something polls suggest is getting more and more unpopular with UK voters.

Anyway this day of ceremony and eulogies has given EU leaders a rare happy occasion to celebrate the institution’s early inspiration and achievements. In the margins, there are much more prosaic cash-focused bilaterals aimed at trying to sort out this week’s EU summit on banking union and the deals to be brokered still on the EU budget. EU countries are inter-twining these negotiations.

There may be little real progress this week in Brussels on banking – that’s certainly the UK’s expectation. But the jaw-jaw carries on… The message in Oslo ringing out from the speeches is that it’s mind-numbing, often raucous, regularly mistaken - but so much better than war.







http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/if-norway-likes-the-eu-so-much-why-doesnt-it-live-there/21672

[Wind]

Yes, EU indeed has earned this precious prize.

opnxe3sHhmM

[Debra]

Peace????!!! The EU has mangled europe and created a social nightmare in the process. As far as I can see, there are people who don't feel safe on the streets, there are open hostilities between different cultures (you can't pretend there's not) and woe betide anyone who says so that there is an elephant in the room. I don't call that peace. And of course, there are the EU rules that have frustrated and killed businesses.

[Operator]

I think somebody very smart gave the peace prize to Obama .... :confused:


It works preventive, he didn't earn it, with that prize in his hands it's harder to start wars, isn't it?

[Cidersomerset]

It works preventive, he didn't earn it, with that prize in his hands it's harder to start wars, isn't it?



I like it a preemptive strike from the peace commitee ...LOL..

[delfine]

Indeed....................

[norman]

:pop2: When PEACE ( :hippie: ) goes that cheap, don't you just know it's nearly WAR.

[nizkri]

Nothing like this can surprise me any more, or get me excited :/

[Referee]

Infowars drops a bomb on Obama Warning Disturbing Images at the end of this video.

This will be blocked by youtube soon!!!

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[eni-al]

Got the video downloaded in full quality, as others must have, it certainly won't be going anywhere no matter how much effort is put in to keep it away.

The last video of the boy with the major injury to the jaw is quite something. To be concious and fully aware more or less while in that condition, nothing less than torture.

Also finding it sick how much people praise and glorify Obama. Just saw a few comments on a website and they could have fooled you into believing Obama was Christ reborn. How can people be so in love with a politician?
Being given a Nobel Peace Prize, making it onto Time magazine (again?), how does that even happen?

[ThePythonicCow]

making it onto Time magazine (again?), how does that even happen?
Are you referring to the news reported here and elsewhere:
Barack Obama named Time Person of the Year for 2012 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9755732/Barack-Obama-named-Time-Person-of-the-Year-for-2012.html) ?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/19/article-2250547-1694D428000005DC-833_306x415.jpg

[soleil]

that's just disgusting....shame shame shame....
spread the video!!

[jackovesk]

Glenn Beck: Obama destined for prison?

24th Dec 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BT1yqBZQOTs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BT1yqBZQOTs


'At this point you can begin to make a case for treason'

As many news sites and pundits break down the biggest stories of 2012, one story too big to miss has been resurrected by the website TeaParty.org, a story at least one national pundit believes could send Barack Obama to prison.

The tea-party site posted a Glenn Beck video from October in which the TV and radio host insisted a case for treason could be built against President Obama for his role in the attack of Sept. 11, 2012, in which armed Libyans captured and killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three others at an American diplomatic mission in Benghazi.


“This president is lying to you about Benghazi in such spectacular fashion that I believe people will go to prison,” Beck said on the Blaze TV broadcast of his radio show. “This is impeachable; the president might go to prison for this one.”
Beck cited evidence that Ambassador Stevens had been helping arm Arab Spring rebels in Libya and Syria, rebel forces that included al-Qaida operatives and a heavy Muslim Brotherhood influence.

Yet when those same forces turned on the diplomatic mission and overran it, killing Ambassador Stevens, the Obama administration initially suggested it could have been the result instead of mass, popular protests run amuck over a YouTube video critical of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.

Despite evidence the attacking forces on Sept. 11 were organized and heavily armed, and later evidence the “popular uprisings” were non-existent, the White House was reluctant to attribute the attacks to terrorism.

In the Blaze TV video, Beck proposed a reason for the misinformation from Washington.

“Can you imagine a scandal, if it were to come out, that Obama supplied the terrorists, our enemies, with weapons to attack and kill our own embassy and ambassador?” Beck asked.

“This is why the White House covered, because our ambassador was killed by a guy we were running guns to and we are still running guns today,” Beck said. “Russia Today is verifying that U.S. Stinger missiles are in the hands of the Syrian rebels, the Syrian rebels which are connected to al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood. We also have a report now from the New York Times that we are using the Muslim Brotherhood to arm the rebels in Syria.

“This president is on the wrong side,” Beck concluded. “It is so crystal clear, that at this point you can begin to make a case for treason.”

Video of Beck’s comments can be seen below:

The White House reaction to Benghazi – and the mainstream media’s coverage of it – has been so fraught with misinformation that WND chose the scandal as...


“The Biggest Lie of 2012.”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/glenn-beck-obama-destined-for-prison/

PS - Know this I am 'Not' a fan of Glenn Beck :nono:, but this info needs to be heard. Especially by Americans...:yes4:

Its getting a bit hot isn't it Barry...:yes4:

http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/11/Obama26-340x170.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

Its wierd that Hollywood always seems to put these thing in the public domain before they carryout
whatever psyop/false flag they are up to ?


Just coincidence this movie came out about a CIA safe house ?
Different setting but another odd coincidence.

http://www.shropshirelive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-Safe-House-Movie.jpg


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This story 'stank' from the begining !

'No protesters' at US embassy in Benghazi

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50742-No-protesters-at-US-embassy-in-Benghazi

[spiritguide]

The senate and house are still investigating this issue and if any action against Obama arises it will come from there. Three top people resigned from the state department and Hillary has not testified yet, so the facts are still out there. Ihe neocon plants in the government are being identified and resigned when found out. Resigned is just another government way of firing to save face. The deeply entrenched neocons planted by Bush are being weeded by the moral oathkeepers when found out. So, Jack, we are weeding our garden as I hope you are down under as you have many of the same neocon types to deal with, and many of them deserve jail time also. We are weeding slowly at all levels and corruption will be delt with in a logical manner. If the grass is greener in your back yard it is because of all of the Glenn Beck BS you buy and spread. IMHO

:peace: