Early Writting found that pre- date Sumerian texts by 1500 yrs

[mescalitto]

Has anyone come across the Tartaria plates reputed to be 1500 years earlyer than the texts of the sumerians?
I was quite stunned to stumble upon this article.

http://www.bloganavazquez.com/tag/tartaria-plates/

[Cidersomerset]

Good article but I think writing is much older. I'd be surprised if its not very much older !

The article belows says we are expected to believe our ancestors decided to put
up these mouments, carved and decorated , before inventing


Thus, the structures not only predate pottery, metallurgy, and the invention of writing or the wheel; they were built before the so-called Neolithic Revolution, i.e., the beginning of agriculture and animal husbandry around 9000 BC. But the construction of Göbekli Tepe implies organisation of an order of complexity not hitherto associated with Paleolithic, PPNA, or PPNB societies.

Something is not right imo, I love Time Team and have watched most episodes
as I like History and used to dig up old pots & bottles as a boy.....

Like all sciences most of it is only theory until the next discovery !!

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Göbekli Tepe
Unexplained 12,000 year old underground city, in southeastern Turkey, is made of massive carved stones, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who apparently had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery.

Göbekli Tepe (Turkish for “Potbelly hill”) is a hilltop sanctuary erected on the highest point of an elongated mountain ridge some 15 km northeast of the town of ?anl?urfa (formerly Urfa / Edessa) in southeastern Turkey. The site is currently undergoing excavation by German and Turkish archaeologists.

Until excavations began, a complex on this scale was not thought possible for a community so ancient. The massive sequence of stratification layers suggests several millennia of activity, perhaps reaching back to the Mesolithic. The oldest occupation layer (stratum III) contains monolithic pillars linked by coarsely built walls to form circular or oval structures. Göbekli Tepe has revealed several adjacent rectangular rooms with floors of polished lime, reminiscent of Roman terrazzo floors.

Thus, the structures not only predate pottery, metallurgy, and the invention of writing or the wheel; they were built before the so-called Neolithic Revolution, i.e., the beginning of agriculture and animal husbandry around 9000 BC. But the construction of Göbekli Tepe implies organisation of an order of complexity not hitherto associated with Paleolithic, PPNA, or PPNB societies.

At present, Göbekli Tepe raises more questions for archaeology and prehistory than it answers. We do not know how a force large enough to construct, augment, and maintain such a substantial complex was mobilized and paid or fed in the conditions of pre-Neolithic society. We cannot “read” the pictograms, and do not know for certain what meaning the animal reliefs had for visitors to the site; the variety of fauna depicted, from lions and boars to birds and insects, makes any single explanation problematic.

The reason the complex was eventually buried remains unexplained. Until more evidence is gathered, it is difficult to deduce anything certain about the originating culture.



http://grasptheuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Gopekli_Tepe_BdW_2003-05_700px.jpg


More pictures and vid on link .........

http://grasptheuniverse.com/ancient-artifacts/gobekli-tepe/

[Tangri]

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways.

[modwiz]

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways.

Where can I find the full size picture and story that goes with the bottom picture of the town?

[Tangri]

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways.

Where can I find the full size picture and story that goes with the bottom picture of the town?

Please check ( google) Goreme, Urgup, Peribacalari Turkey.

[BMJ]

Mescalitto,
I think you might appreciate the Klaus Dona interviews, he believe at one stage, supported by physical evidence there was a worldwide common language, links below:

http://projectcamelot.org/klaus_dona.html

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/klaus_dona_en.html

[Billy]

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways.

Hi Levent, could you post revelant links as to where i can find the translation and the stone tablet you posted.

cheers

[panopticon]

Has anyone come across the Tartaria plates reputed to be 1500 years earlyer than the texts of the sumerians?
I was quite stunned to stumble upon this article.

http://www.bloganavazquez.com/tag/tartaria-plates/

G'day mescalitto,

Thanks for the info.

The article (translation?) appears to be mainly about the Vadu Rau tablets (these were dated at between 6500 - 6000 BCE according to the article) and how the writing on them resembles that of the Tartaria tablets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets) which were discovered in 1961 (dated around 5300 BCE).
Was mentioned in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15297-Sisters-of-Tartaria-tablets-found-at-Vadu-Rau) previously.

Of course it's all bunkum... Everybody knows the World was created in 4004 BC
**sung in a really bad and comical tenor**
"Cause the Bible told me sooooo..." :humble:

And on that note... Goodnight...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[panopticon]

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.
And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.
And among us are the righteous, and among us are [others] not so; we were [of] divided ways.

Hi Levent, could you post revelant links as to where i can find the translation and the stone tablet you posted.

cheers

G'day Billyji,

From a quick google this morning it appears to be a quote from the Koran (Quran) chapter 72 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=72), verses 8, 9 & 11, which would place it from at earliest the 7th Century CE.
This would make sense with images in Levent tonga's post coming from Turkey.

Got no idea what its relevance is to the topic.
Levent tonga might like to enlighten us?
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[write4change]

I need to come back to this story and read it in further detail.

[panopticon]

At present, Göbekli Tepe raises more questions for archaeology and prehistory than it answers. We do not know how a force large enough to construct, augment, and maintain such a substantial complex was mobilized and paid or fed in the conditions of pre-Neolithic society. We cannot “read” the pictograms, and do not know for certain what meaning the animal reliefs had for visitors to the site; the variety of fauna depicted, from lions and boars to birds and insects, makes any single explanation problematic.

The reason the complex was eventually buried remains unexplained. Until more evidence is gathered, it is difficult to deduce anything certain about the originating culture.

G'day Cid,

I find Göbekli Tepe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe) really interesting.

It was built at the end of the last ice age.
It does not appear to have been a site where people lived (ie it was for ceremonial purposes only).
The use of the site for religious ceremony may indicate that spirituality/religion might have bought about civilisation and not the other way round (as is commonly thought).
The site is huge (22 acres).
The nomadic tribesmen cut and transported 16 tonne stone blocks.
The carvings are beautiful (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/musi-photography).

http://www.gobeklitepe.info/photos/image2.jpg
Source (http://www.gobeklitepe.info/galery.html).

The t-post "uprights" are well done (not something that would be expected in the period) and along with the carvings might indicate stone masonry skills in a pre-agrarian society.
It has always been claimed that the people of this time were nomadic tribesmen, yet how would nomads feed a workforce needed to build a structure like this.
There's so many things...

Some of these can be answered if it understood that it was built gradually over a thousand year period but what a complex!


Excavations have revealed that Göbekli Tepe was constructed in two stages. The oldest structures belong to what archaeologists call the early Pre-Pottery Neolithic A period, which ended around 9000 B.C. Strangely enough, the later remains, which date to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B period, or about 8000 B.C., are less elaborate. The earliest levels contain most of the T-shaped pillars and animal sculptures (Source (http://www.archaeology.org/0811/abstracts/turkey.html))

Here's a Nat Geo article on Göbekli Tepe (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text) some might be interested in.

As you and the article you quoted say. It brings up more questions than it answers...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon