The Query in Question? Renounce Citizenship

[gripreaper]

Obama's Victory Is Very Bullish For This Google Search Query. The query in question? "Renounce Citizenship"

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/11/20121108_renounce_0.png

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-09/obamas-victory-very-bullish-google-search-query

[DeBron]

lmao That is hilarious. Where would they go? What would they do.

Someone said to me everything you need to know you learn in kindergarten.

One of those lessons, when you lose, lose graciously

[gripreaper]

lmao That is hilarious. Where would they go? What would they do.

You may want to view some of the other threads here at Project Avalon in regards to expatriation, such as the many Equador threads.

It is no surprise to most here at Avalon that the UNITED STATES Corporation is the elite globalist's private mercanary military bully force around the world, and this country is experiencing a massive contraction in it's economy and quality of life.

So, there are numerous places to go. Check it out.

[davyj0nes]

lmao That is hilarious. Where would they go? What would they do.

Someone said to me everything you need to know you learn in kindergarten.

One of those lessons, when you lose, lose graciously

This happens following every election cycle. If the conservatives win, the liberals threaten to move Canada/Europe. If the liberals win, conservatives threaten to move Somalia or Afghanistan. Its just a way to deal with losing an election.

[RUSirius]

I'm a US citizen living out of the coproration currently, I've been made to understand that Obummer wants property tax from my home where I live now, even though I have no property in the US, have virtually no money in the bank. I am willing to lose my citizenship over this, people need to not comply with this, I know I wont comply. So now I have to pay proterty tax twice. Its not going to happen.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi

Forget about Ecuador. The rumor is C.I.A. prepares another "color revolution" there. We have a thread about it already on PA here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51843-CIA...to-Overthrow-Ecuador-Gov-t&p=581242&viewfull=1#post581242
With drug lords money. Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil and few other "good climate" self-liberated countries are thorn in the side of the tptw...

If you renounce your citizenship you automatically become illegal immigrant without a visa... Immigration office agents would bag you immediately and... then what? Left you at the nearest international airport 's international zone? Was thinking about renouncing citizenship myself. Has even gathered necessary information about procedures. But unless you are not a parent of underage children you should not do this. You automatically become a foreigner on "special terms". Your children will be taken by social services for sure (I hope i am wrong on that). If you own any real property you might run into some trouble of loosing it since in some countries foreigners are not entitled to "own" real property. Next thing is job. Foreigners have to obtain job permits or special visas. What about bank account? You have to think it all thoroughly beforehand. To not shoot yourself in the foot....

The only destination for expats are international waters. But who would like to live on the floating shanty town? Without free energy devices such project would not last long :( But maybe if a willing bunch of people determined to live outside "the box" got together with ideas of working FE devices maybe it would be successful? Ocean waters are full of floating "junk" waiting to be recycled into something useful. And what about pirates looking for easy prey? Or military special forces sent to wipe FE community? Nobody would knew something has happened... It's better to cook a death certificate than to renounce the citizenship ;) Or just leave (but where to?!) without a word or stinkin' procedures...

What i am trying to say is something like this:
You can not flee with the Ring to the Hobbiton from Sauron. He will follow you there and will destroy the Hobbiton with you and will take the Ring.

The Ring must be destroyed. And The Ring is the F.E.A.R* in our world...




*F.E.A.R. - False Expectations Appearing Real (it's not mine, it's CeltMan's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44664-You-CAN-Make-a-Difference-&p=481715&viewfull=1#post481715) ;) )

[Earth Angel]

I am always surprised at how many Canadians watch the US elections and debate over them at the local pub......its bad enough when you can actually vote ( and in my opinion still a waste of time) but when you don't even have the illusion of choice what are they doing???

[davyj0nes]

The only destination for expats are international waters. But who would like to live on the floating shanty town? Without free energy devices such project would not last long :( But maybe if a willing bunch of people determined to live outside "the box" got together with ideas of working FE devices maybe it would be successful? Ocean waters are full of floating "junk" waiting to be recycled into something useful. And what about pirates looking for easy prey? Or military special forces sent to wipe FE community? Nobody would knew something has happened... It's better to cook a death certificate than to renounce the citizenship ;) Or just leave (but where to?!) without a word or stinkin' procedures...


You know i was reading about this idea of 'seasteading' on huffington post. PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, a staunch libertarian invested 1.25million USD to build sea colonies. Even though i disagree with his political ideology i thought the idea of building sea colonies to be a great idea.
Below are the links to the article and the seasteading website;
Huffington post article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/peter-thiel-seasteading_n_930595.html)
seasteading website (http://www.seasteading.org/)

[Snookie]

"I am always surprised at how many Canadians watch the US elections and debate over them at the local pub...."

Well, the reason is "when the US sneezes Canada gets a cold". So we have a vested interest in what happens south of the border. We know that when the US economy craters we will be just as affected.

[panopticon]

Citizenship is connected to the created idea of the nation-state.
The nation-state is a major element in the implementation of centralisation.
As pointed out by Robert J. Niewiadomski above, to renounce citizenship means the individual becomes stateless.
Being stateless means the individual is in a state of statelessness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness).
The nation-state uses intimidation and force ("legitimate coercion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence)" ) as a means to control its citizens and further agenda's that, by and large, benefit the minority.
This all comes back to what I have repeatedly said about the reinforcing loop of centralisation that is governed by Money, Control and Power.

To be stateless (in this instance to renounce citizenship) places the individual at a disadvantage in that their ability to be self reliant (Power) is limited by their lack of state sanctioned authority (Control) and results in an inability to have a drivers licence, own property and having restricted employment opportunities (Money).
It is the vicious interrelated cycle of State/individual interaction.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[DeBron]

lmao That is hilarious. Where would they go? What would they do.

You may want to view some of the other threads here at Project Avalon in regards to expatriation, such as the many Equador threads.

It is no surprise to most here at Avalon that the UNITED STATES Corporation is the elite globalist's private mercanary military bully force around the world, and this country is experiencing a massive contraction in it's economy and quality of life.

So, there are numerous places to go. Check it out.

Yes there are numerous places you can go, but how many can truly afford what it takes to uproot yourself and start completely new in another country. Some who say they want to go to Ecuador for example(by the way I have been there, lovely place)

Here are some questions for people who want to go to Ecuador:

Do you speak Spanish

Do you have a problem with poverty(if so there are huge amounts of people who live in similar conditions to what you have seen in the commercials showing poor African children)

Do you mind military personnel walking around the major cities with fully automatic weapons?

Do you have a problem with beggars as the indigenous people live on the outskirts of towns and beg daily and dangerously(two children placed string across the road held only by the two of them in order to get us to stop in a moving car.....very dangerous as the force of the car could carry them along if they didn't let go)

Do you want to eat Gerbal(or hamster either way the little rodent is something some people eat down there....by the way it tastes like chicken)

These are just a few questions that are rhetorical(they need not be answered)
My point is some people lost and so they would rather give up their cause and run away instead of work to improve the situation. Basically trading one set of problems for new ones....but with the reach of the US almost completely global you will not get away from their influence.

There are other reasons to leave a country that I personally find legitimate but simply because someone is in office who you don't agree with is shallow....IMHO(lol)



I laugh at the statement in my humble opinion because the truly humble rarely state their opinions......IMHO HAAAA!!!

Enjoy your day......Its sunny somewhere.

[Shiva]

Yeah- what DeBron said- and more.

90% of the people that're whining and threatening to leave would come crawling back to the USA in less than a month.
Where they gonna go? Canada? Please- when they see that EVERYTHING in Canada is in English and in French, they'll start bitching.
Central/South America? Doubtful- these are the same type of people that complain about hispanics taking over their country.
Europe? Hahaha- to most Americans, that'd be like living on Mars.

Nope...they'll just stay here and complain.