The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode : SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode of SHADOW OPERATIONS -- entitled "The Mars Project" -- was aired on 7 November, 2012, two years after a long week of shooting in California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo

Kerry and I were delighted. Taken by surprise by the sudden decision to screen the show, we were also delighted with the very positive response from a critical public who had only known TruTV for their commitment to Jesse Ventura's series CONSPIRACY THEORY.

It now remains to be seen whether we'll be asked to shoot an entire series ourselves. Much will depend on the response from the public: this is all any network cares about. If you'd like to see any more of Project Camelot on television, then please write TruTV and let them know. :)

There's a bit of a backstory to the episode shown here. As in any TV show, many scenes never made it to the final cut. Sean Carroll (the CalTech physicist), after some particularly pointed questioning from Kerry, suddenly took off his microphone and walked away. This real-life drama was edited out, although we had urged it to be retained. We do not own the rights to the footage, therefore we cannot show it.

The confrontation with the security guards was staged (though it was quite well done!). The altercation that had been reported to us by Dave Rosenfeld happened just as he described, and he had been genuinely intimidated. But when we drove out to see if we could provoke a similar experience, nothing happened. The "re-enactment" was requested by TruTV. In a sense, this is authentic -- as we do know this could have happened, although in actuality it did not. Such are the rules of the game in Reality TV.

The photo of the huge vertical beam shown by Dave Rosenfeld, and his testimony about the Venture Star spacecraft, are 100% authentic. So is everything else in the show (except that, of course, the photos of the "Mars Tubes" shown to us by Gordon Novel have already been on the internet for many years).

After hearing about the Venture Star, we made a spontaneous call to aerospace investigator Michael Schratt, whose spontaneous response was "WOW!!". (We laughed: normally cautious and serious, Michael's response was a genuinely human and exuberant one. But because it was not an action sequence, and all we had was Kerry talking on her cellphone in the car, it ever made it to the show.)

Brian O'Leary, with no surprise to anyone who knew him, was articulate, grounded and intelligent in his recorded section, in which he talked for over ten minutes about the Face on Mars and his relationship with imaging specialist Mark Carlotto, whom he'd known personally. He was involved with that group of image analysts at the time when the "Face" had been identified.

None of that made it into the show either, as the producers preferred to focus on the dramatic events that had prompted Brian to move to Ecuador. (These were real, but had been hyped for the purposes of the episode. "We want a sense of danger", said TruTV.) Brian was unhappy with how he had been portrayed in the editing, but like every other participant, had signed a release form and had no say at all in how his piece would be used.

Many people ask us about Andy Basiago, whose claims about having personally been to Mars have become quite well-known. To put it simply, we do not believe him -- although we do also not doubt Andy's sincerity. (There was a section of the show which was also edited out, when body language expert Lillian Glass interviewed him in depth, to conclude on camera that Andy absolutely believed everything he was saying.)

It should be noted for the record that I first spoke with Andy Basiago, in a four hour phone call, long before anyone else had heard his story -- back in February 2007. He talked at great length about the teleportation experiments he'd been part of when he was a child -- and never mentioned Mars. Those 'memories' all came to him later.

Many ask us why key Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) was not featured in the show. The answer is simple: he declined to take part. And nor could he be mentioned, without a signed release form. Therefore he could not 'exist', and Andy Basiago was a sort of substitute. (Henry really HAS been to Mars.)

Finally, the show is a tribute to our friends Dr Brian O'Leary, and Gordon Novel, both of whom have passed on since the episode was recorded in August 2010. I do think that both of them would have enjoyed and appreciated the positive response. For that, Kerry and I both thank all the viewers who have offered such positive and encouraging feedback.

[Earth Angel]

thank you for the new upload Bill.....I watched the one posted on another thread last night and the quality was terrible....picture all jittery ...since I don't watch TV I had wondered was this some new style of filming! was greatly relieved to see a much cleaner version by you.......congrats to you all.

btw I know Brian OLeary died of cancer but Novel?? do you think there was anything suspicious about their deaths after filming this show??

[gripreaper]

How many hits has this pilot episode gotten so far?

[[post update]]

I answered my own question. there are 3 versions now on You Tube. The original 5 part version has 23,000 hits on part one. The other two versions, one of which just uploaded, have no hits or too few to count.

Is the Alpha Zebra version Bill's version? There should be something in the title which indicates it's the original Project Avalon version.

[BrianEn]

I like the pilot episode. I'd like to see you and Kerry get more control over the content if any new episodes are ordered.

[Cristian]

I do have some questions.

Yes it's easy to be a "keyboard critic" It's easy not to say and do anything and just play the critic once in a while.

But still questions are questions.


I do think and feel there is something up with Mars. But this show didn't felt right, and in many ocassions i felt like the questions already implied the answers, or in other words the person asking the questions knew what is likely to be answered.
I know, if I drink a beer in a pub with Richard Hoagland, and i ask him , is NASA covering up something on Mars?...I know the answer.
I dont say its the wrong answer...but where is the journalist code here? Why there was no expert , and I'm sure there are many that have an opinion , that believe there are no artificial structures on Mars. Yes they maybe wrong, but I want to hear their arguments.
I want to decide what is real or not, I dont want it to be decided by someone else.

And yes there is the issue of credibility , we all know what Hoagland said about Elenin, and chances are he was wrong about that and right about Mars, but there is still an issue.

Yes it's easy to comment behind a keyboard, but I just felt like doing it.

[truthseekerdan]

Kudos to you Bill, Kerry and all the others involved in this production. Thank you for raising consciousness and awareness...

Much Love

[Cjay]

I watched the version posted on divinecosmos before it aired on TruTV. The version I watched was nauseatingly over-loaded with sound effects (David Wilcock warned about this). I sincerely hope the version that aired had fewer sound effects.

I also hope this gets a lot of attention, if for no other reason than to encourage TruTV to air many of the Project Camelot interviews.

[Dorjezigzag]

I kept of thinking of mulder and Scully, like it was some real episode of the X files.

Bill and Kerry make an excellent team, they really compliment each other well, like the chaos and the calm. Kerry brings the ooomph, Bill gives it class.

I really hope you can work together in the future and get this kind of stage, watching this reminded me, what we have been missing

Well done and I am impressed with your honesty about the staged events!

[truth4me]

Bill, you are a natural for voice work on documentaries. Richard Hoagland made the statement that "the skies on Mars were blue so they turned the color tent down to make them appear red"......how simple was that. Back when I was young the old T.V you turned on and set the tone,picture,tent,volume by hand you could turn the color down and it would appear red and basically that's all NASA did......geez.........

[Mike Gorman]

I do have some questions.

Yes it's easy to be a "keyboard critic" It's easy not to say and do anything and just play the critic once in a while.

But still questions are questions.


I do think and feel there is something up with Mars. But this show didn't felt right, and in many ocassions i felt like the questions already implied the answers, or in other words the person asking the questions knew what is likely to be answered.
I know, if I drink a beer in a pub with Richard Hoagland, and i ask him , is NASA covering up something on Mars?...I know the answer.
I dont say its the wrong answer...but where is the journalist code here? Why there was no expert , and I'm sure there are many that have an opinion , that believe there are no artificial structures on Mars. Yes they maybe wrong, but I want to hear their arguments.
I want to decide what is real or not, I dont want it to be decided by someone else.

And yes there is the issue of credibility , we all know what Hoagland said about Elenin, and chances are he was wrong about that and right about Mars, but there is still an issue.

Yes it's easy to comment behind a keyboard, but I just felt like doing it.

Quite right, this is after all a 'forum' and not a lecture theatre. I think the commercial format which the Tru tv folks wanted to inject into the narrative created this
rather lob sided spin which seems rather like 'leading questions to planted commentators'-i suppose the young physicist acted as a kind of Devil's Advocate stating we are centuries off being able to Macro-Teleport.
But the Basiago story is a little too out there in hyper space to be accepted by most of us in any case. I actually thought the Pilot was pretty good, especially as it is marketed to the more general public
and not the hard core insiders such as we here on PA. By the way Chris82, what is that creature in your Avatar/Flag box, it looks a bit 'Batty', but elongated?

It looks like you may have had a few laughs along the way shooting this one Bill? Great Stuff.

[Huma]

So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. I say this having genuine respect for you and Kerry, although I frankly think she's gone a bit off the deep end with camelot these days. Wilcock and hoagland have been widely discredited. I will say, that this whole thing with Arthur is a real shame, but frankly he was probably better off not being on a show that came across as a bit silly.

I would like to see a more up to date interview with him but I am guessing that won't ever happen. The irony is, I did enjoy seeing you guys on a major network television show, and think that many of your whistle blowers do deserve a lot more national airtime then they have gotten. (though maybe not as many as you would have). Some of the most important info Bob Dean has to share didn't even show up on the show, instead you have a more sensational claim made by him about aliens being there for 100,000 years.....

[truth4me]

So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. I say this having genuine respect for you and Kerry, although I frankly think she's gone a bit off the deep end with camelot these days. Wilcock and hoagland have been widely discredited. I will say, that this whole thing with Arthur is a real shame, but frankly he was probably better off not being on a show that came across as a bit silly.

I would like to see a more up to date interview with him but I am guessing that won't ever happen. The irony is, I did enjoy seeing you guys on a major network television show, and think that many of your whistle blowers do deserve a lot more national airtime then they have gotten. (though maybe not as many as you would have). Some of the most important info Bob Dean has to share didn't even show up on the show, instead you have a more sensational claim made by him about aliens being there for 100,000 years.....Maybe Dean's info was edited to where only the 100,000 years on Mars information was left. If you really think about a 100,000 year old civilization and still there being on Mars is real and I believe it.....well, thats pretty astounding stuff.

[Mozart]

Bill ~


Is it possible for you to have someone subtitle this version? As you know there is a subtitled one that was on the thread that you closed, so with a bunch of additional editing work -- maybe I can do the editing, if I could learn how to work with subtitles? -- it can be ready for the public with clean, professional-looking subtitles?


~Mozart

[Guest]

I thought that the Shadow Operations pilot project was intelligently and very well done. Really a high quality showing. Providing never before seen documention to the public at large.

Bill and Kerry were a class act. Appreciate all the work you do in uncovering and getting the truth out there.

I had the show recorded and will be showing it to friends and family.

I look forward to seeing another episode.


Love


Nora

[Carmody]

Please put a link to this thread in your final post in the closed thread? It has 12k hits and will still generate more, for a few days, and it will be the fuel that fires this one- re it's genesis.

[Carmody]

I like the pilot episode. I'd like to see you and Kerry get more control over the content if any new episodes are ordered.

One has to be careful here. what ends up happening is that stalemate situations can occur over 30 seconds of footage in a given episode and the entire thing can come down to final positions on changes vs airing/no airing. Thus content and editing can get into arguments with rights and privileges. (creators vs financing and airing).

This is, BTW, generally speaking, the best situation that one can hope to get into, contract wise.

Complete control of the formation of the episode... vs... control of rights and airing.

That is the form of the best and actually, the most common arrangements.

Thus, if going into negotiations, one has to be working from that viewpoint. However, at that point, one has to also be able to pull off quality production work. That the given other side of the table has to believe in the production group or team.

If one is 'just the content' and not the conductor (editing, production, and so on) of said content, then it becomes a bit trickier. Suddenly you've got a three headed beast, each with different intent and values. Production can flip it's orientation at any moment, thus this is that strange little world where EVERYTHING has to be on paper. People in that world only respond to contract and how they respond to contract is what creates and is their reputation, which is the core of any future work.

Thus, a real production house, with a history, will abide by a contract. (to hold their future intact)

IF a production company has been set up newly, and only for this show, then it can be viewed as a special interest, and therefore dangerous to the one head, which is content origin.

Welcome.... to what is seemingly the dirtiest and most difficult world outside of war zones and stock market floors.

If you look at whiskey mystic's avatar he has a slightly sour look and is drinking, for a reason. The Film business is enough to drive anyone mad. (He is a producer)

[ThePythonicCow]

Please put a link to this thread in your final post in the closed thread? It has 12k hits and will still generate more, for a few days, and it will be the fuel that fires this one- re it's genesis.

I believe Bill did that already ... this last post on the closed thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51757-Bill-and-Kerry-s-Pilot-Shadow-Operations-The-Mars-Project-on-Tru-TV-11-7-11pm&p=581998&viewfull=1#post581998) links to this present thread of Bill's (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51891-The-Project-Camelot-TruTV-pilot-episode-SHADOW-OPERATIONS-The-Mars-Project).

[GK76]

Good job on the TV format, shows enough information to make people want to know more while also being entertaining. A nice tribute to Dr O'Leary and Mr Novel for their efforts in this field.

Thanks for the efforts of all those involved, I hope it builds enough of a following to be granted a run on TruTV. :)

[Akasha]

Thanks for the heads up, Bill. Honesty much appreciated.

[araucaria]

I think this was an excellent job for the medium of US tv. Here in Europe, of France at least, we can manage investigative shows and even political debates lasting an hour or considerably more without commercials, which are really a serious disruption. The Franco-German channel Arte is by definition half the time in the other language with subtitles, but apparently this does not deter viewers. Maybe an airing over here would be an idea. I'm not sure the USA should remain the centre of gravity of this whole issue.

[Limor Wolf]

There is nothing else except to wish Bill and Kerry the best of success! They are doing so much and with such an integrity, consistance and inteligence that is rare in this field, and they are the Real deal. However, there are a couple of problems with TV shows and I think it is also fair to mention it . The 'real deal' does not pass in all its 'glory' on TV. Programs such as that does not bring 100% genuinity even when they deal with genuine staff and with the most important true information hidden from the public.



" The confrontation with the security guards was staged .. Such are the rules of the game in Reality TV."

It works on the drama, adrenaline, on certain appearnces and images and all those sensations and not on the true essence of things. It might not have the possible major significance (in my view) on the average viewer as we would like to think it has, who even if kept more attentive for a couple of minutes, will mostly forget about it when the next excitment will pop, probably the next TV show.

It mixes and confuses the senses by adding sounds, quick shots, and all sorts of additions that does not allow the information to sink and is likened to a strong cup of cofee which is providing the fix of the hour.

What made ​​people listen attentively to Project Camelot, and follow those two wonderful researchers - Bill and Kerry for years, was not only the mindblowing information which they provided, which in itself made many people raise a hugh eyebrow and opt for the next possibility to get another piece of information, But it was also the style and presentation - a calm and collected conversation which brought the real almost live flow of information from the mouth of the source to the audience. It was credible and it was accompanied with a very genuine feeling, that is hard to find in most TV shows which are not documantries or the original and almost unedited interview, therefore, it provided the 'earth shaking' factor that happened for every single viewer to open their minds to a different reality.

The art of revealing hidden secrets and oppressions to an uninformed and very effectad public is a difficult one, when all we want is to make a shot on as many 'targets' as possible but the catch is that there is a compromise to be done, and whether this 'investment' pays off or not is up to each to decide.

There were very important and surprising details given from very reliable sources by ultra genuine and presentable researchers, in a media that does not respect all that, and truth is a distant word for it. To try and encourage people to seek the truth of our reality with an energy signature (of the program) that is not completely in alignment with that ,is usually not a reciepe for succsses, but I sure hope that I am wrong, and I wish that all the mind opening interviews made by Camelot and Avalon over the years could be broadcasted on prime time just as they are, -- now, that would have brought the end of the PTB in a very fast countdown.


Originally posted by Chris82: " it's easy to be a "keyboard critic" It's easy not to say and do anything and just play the critic once in a while."

Very true, and I am afraid that my words are an example to that. I will post it but will add that the above reflects only my feelings towords the potential TV show and in no way towards Bill and Kerry which are a role model for me in every way possible.

Limor

[jp11]

I've sent this info on with two different versions of YouTube, one with the other without commercials along with the info from Bill about Brian O'Leary and Novell (I think). I just sent Kerry's latest info about what has transpired getting to this point.

It was such fun watching Bill and Kerry, knowing that I've been aware of both of them for all these years now, since their beginning on PC! I was fortunate to be at the Project Camelot event in California with Bob Dean, David Wilcock, Richard Dolan, etc. so I felt like I was watching friends on the screen.

I do hope something else comes of this and will be sending on your new info Bill along with link to this video.

Thanks to all who've played a part in getting this info out there. Great job everyone!
:clap2::grouphug:

[M6*]

Hi Bill!

This behind the scenes "fill in" is just soooo exciting to me. Thank you for thinking it through and taking the time to write it out for us!

What I am planning to do is print it out on DVDs (Never mind my "TECHNO TERROR" ....I will be BEYOND MYSELF!!:-) and give them as
Christmas Presents to my people (with explanations concerning WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY HOLDING IN THEIR HANDS) here in the Midwest....
This makes it so much EASIER now, as so many people are VISUAL LEARNERS and as a TEACHING TOOL it is just WONDERFUL!! Thanks Again!

Enjoy Your Day.....Tomorrow we could all be ....ANYWHERE!! M6*

[M6*]

Hi Dorjezigzag!

I'm thinking I just saw Mulder and Scully in my REARVIEW MIRROR as I drove out of town yesterday!
I do remember them fondly though!

Cheers! M6*

[gripreaper]

It's a slam dunk:

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/5/3/GaUJYqcZ00OK-lQRCOpeag2.gif

[M6*]

Hi jp11

When I was invited to go to the 2009 California Event, by someone far across the Ocean from me, I had NO IDEA what was going on, or who ANY of the characters were in the PLAY.
(I had simply been involved in another PROGRAM up to that point.) I was promised that it would be LIFE CHANGING for me, and it has been. This is because there is no substitute for the
REAL THING .... no matter how ILLUSIVE .... it gives us ENERGY to pursue it! (My getting there was my "Best Story Yet"....and getting back to where I started from, via Roswell, was
even Better!!) so, to say the least, the ADVENTURE has been WORTH IT. And can I even believe that Tommy has made that wonderful POSTER to put up on my WALL of HEROES that I
am planning for my next abode....to give me COURAGE:-)!

Take care, and enjoy the day! M6*

[Bill Ryan]

So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show.

The problem with a TV show like this is that you have little or no control over what you're asked to do, or -- worse still! -- over the editing. We shot something like 25 hours of material over 8 days (with two cameras). The show in the end lasted 43 minutes, minus commercials -- which means that 97% of the footage was unused or rejected. Kerry and I offered our opinions quite strongly (as you might imagine) ... but in the end we had no executive authority over anything at all.

There was one instance at the end of a long day's shooting when I reprimanded the camera team for not capturing a particularly smart bit of ad lib, that had happened before they were prepared. I was quietly taken aside by both the the Director and Producer and told in no uncertain terms that it was categorically not my place to say anything at all about those parts of the production.

This kind of thing was was always a problem, because we were not just 'talent' (as actors and presenters are known in Hollywood). We were film makers, camera operators, editors, directors and producers in our own right, well able to put together a whole show ourselves if we had the funding. We were a kind of anomaly, and from the production company's point of view were not always easy to deal with. :)

It's not all bad, though. Doing the pilot show on The Mars Project was my own suggestion (I proposed it to TruTV in a phone call when Kerry was not able to make it to that conference), and they were smart enough to pick it up and use it. Sean Carroll, Ron Nicks, Dave Rosenfeld (good catch!) and Andy Basiago were brought in by the producers, but of course we introduced Gordon Novel (it was my idea to start the show with him), David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland, Brian O'Leary, and Bob Dean.

We had pushed hard for Henry Deacon's important testimony to be included as a centerpiece, but were told it could not happen for legal reasons (he had not given his consent). We'd also pushed even harder for the show to be called PROJECT CAMELOT (not Shadow Operations!) -- but for reasons which are still hard to understand, given the very large existing support base, TruTV did not want to use the name.


Is the AlphaZebra version Bill's version? There should be something in the title which indicates it's the original Project Avalon version.

Yes, I edited that myself. AlphaZebra is the Avalon channel. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode of SHADOW OPERATIONS -- entitled "The Mars Project" -- was aired on 7 November, 2012, two years after a long week of shooting in California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.
Well done, and definitely the best video of this show that I've seen. Thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

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Download the video here:

http://projectavalon.net/PROJECT_CAMELOT_Shadow_Operations_The_Mars_Project.mp4 (244 Mb)

[M6*]

The thing is, Bill, anybody who has a long history of the Director/Producer type knows they have to do what they need to do in order to get the job DONE!!!

Part of what you and Kerry BOTH had to do here....in spite of your own expertise....was to hand over your ENTIRE history as DIRECTOR/PRODUCERS to other
people.... long enough to get this in the can! This is so hard for so many really talented people to do that they just cannot subject themselves to that kind of thing.
It takes real PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE in order to do it! I am just so "stoked" over this production....and part of my enthusiasm....is because I KNOW how
hard it must have been for both of you at times.....just to get it DONE! Getting it DONE... without a DISASTER... was Step #1. ("First we Crawl, Then we Walk,
Then we Run", etc. etc.) Still, all and all, I am thinking it came out pretty good. A LOT was packed into a fast paced amount of time....and it stayed pretty
coherent....so as not to lose anybody in the story line. Not only that....but that you have both lived long enough to tell the story is pretty amazing in itself!

Take care....and "May the Force Be With You":-) M6*

[WhiteFeather]

Kudos to both of you, Awesome professional job Bill, your a natural..... I have enjoyed this show extremely. It would be beneficial to all if Tru-TV contacted you and Kerry to do some more Disclosure work. Magnificent..... And You gotta love Bob Dean too. Thanks Again Bill

[Snookie]

I would like to see future shows deal with interviews that Bill & Kerry have already done. They could focus on a specific subject, or on a certain person.

For example, Mr X. Since he died under unusual circumstances they could discuss his testimony, the nature of his passing, then get people to corroborate and/or debunk what he said. Project Looking Glass would also be a facinating topic to cover. I could go on and on....

At least this way some of the footage that you guys have already shot could be utilized, even if just for background information on whatever the subject of the show is about, as I'm sure you guys have covered almost every topic out there!

[GCS1103]

As someone who watches these types of shows (including Jesse Ventura's) I thought the production was outstanding. The show segments were short enough to keep your interest and the researchers who appeared were all well spoken and credible. The decision to have Bill narrate was a very wise one. As I've said on this forum, several times, Bill has an incredible talent in engaging an audience and keeping your attention focused on what he's saying. Now he can add "televison star" to his resume. Well done Bill and Kerry and hopefully there will be many more shows we can all enjoy.

[kemo]

I thought it was very well done. Bill may not believe Basiago but that doesn't mean what he says didn't happen. The physicist says we are a couple of centuries away from 'beaming' but ET science could be thousands of years ahead, so if we have back-engineered that technology who knows? I enjoyed Bill's demonstration of how hyper/sub-space dimensional travel may work. The point is though that everyone involved seemed plausible at first blush - sufficiently so to make the average viewer consider that there might be something to it. The first step to disclosure is awareness surely. I was disappointed to learn that the confrontation was staged as that undermines credibility, but understand that Bill and Kerry were pressured into it. Apart from that, a very professional job and we can only hope for a series.

[Swan]

Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. .....'

First - an apology if what I am about to say is impolite, as I very much appreciate the work of Project Camelot and this forum.

But I whole heartedly agree with the above. I do not endorse mixing fiction with fact. That makes it very hard for the viewer to know which information they can trust...if any.

I would love to see a documentary by you and Kerry, where you had full control of the production ( I am presuming that in this case there would be no reenactments ).

The information you present is world changing, and as such needs to be presented with integrity.

[LisAlien]

I think the timing of the program, coming on the heels of Jesse Ventura disrespecting and trying to make David Icke look foolish, was done on purpose to taint the audience before even watching it.
The games and manipulations they play on television and its audience is why I don't own a set. It's basically a brainwashing instrument that you're essentially paying for each month.

One suggestion though, if I were Bill and/or Kerry, I would distant myself from Wilcock and Hoagland because of the close association you all have with one another. It's almost like you don't hear/see one without the other and most of us know, Hoagland and Wilcock aren't the most warmly embraced 'researchers' among the community. They're questionable at best.
Bill Ryan is in a league of his own and should remain there. I truly appreciate and respect his professionalism unlike I do the others.
That's just my two-cents (and with inflation, I probably owe.....)

[Daft Ada]

Excellent stuff, some good content and very well presented. I really do miss you two together, and as has already been said above, you are a natural Bill and I miss your interviews too. The amount of information that is coming out at the moment has got me wondering what on earth is going on, they no longer seem to be obfuscating pictures to the extent that they did and it appears that just about all the astronauts are saying Aliens exist and things are going on out there. Someone has obviously decided that now is the time to release this because so much more evidence is being released at this time. Question is why?

[buckminster fuller]

I never watch shows like that quite frankly. It is the medium of choice for all the BS that people are getting exposed to... I'm quite sad to see that alternative media are so alike the big ones.. Advertisment, staged situations, drown the information in a simulacre of reality. It doesn't bring credibility to the content but openly gives the audience the choice to consume it as it is used to, mouth opened, with no personal input, synthesis level zero. Most of them would buy ANYTHING presented as so. The "seen on TV" syndrome... I think information will make its way through different channels, ones that cannot so easily be dismissed as fantasy food for no thinking...

I'm sorry to sound so negative, I'm aware of all the hard work behind, but I see a lack of ethics and this is the old world ways. I don't want it anymore.

[truth4me]

I never watch shows like that quite frankly. It is the medium of choice for all the BS that people are getting exposed to... I'm quite sad to see that alternative media are so alike the big ones.. Advertisment, staged situations, drown the information in a simulacre of reality. It doesn't bring credibility to the content but openly gives the audience the choice to consume it as it is used to, mouth opened, with no personal input, synthesis level zero. Most of them would buy ANYTHING presented as so. The "seen on TV" syndrome... I think information will make its way through different channels, ones that cannot so easily be dismissed as fantasy food for no thinking...

I'm sorry to sound so negative, I'm aware of all the hard work behind, but I see a lack of ethics and this is the old world ways. I don't want it anymore. I respect your opinion and there is merit in what your saying BUT to "beat the system" sometimes we have to be a part of the system. I used the system honestly for my advantage. Cable companys are owned by big business yet I like my internet and if I don't use it I can't be on forums like this which truly has helped me in keeping my sanity in a insane world.....

[buckminster fuller]

I never watch shows like that quite frankly. It is the medium of choice for all the BS that people are getting exposed to... I'm quite sad to see that alternative media are so alike the big ones.. Advertisment, staged situations, drown the information in a simulacre of reality. It doesn't bring credibility to the content but openly gives the audience the choice to consume it as it is used to, mouth opened, with no personal input, synthesis level zero. Most of them would buy ANYTHING presented as so. The "seen on TV" syndrome... I think information will make its way through different channels, ones that cannot so easily be dismissed as fantasy food for no thinking...

I'm sorry to sound so negative, I'm aware of all the hard work behind, but I see a lack of ethics and this is the old world ways. I don't want it anymore. I respect your opinion and there is merit in what your saying BUT to "beat the system" sometimes we have to be a part of the system. I used the system honestly for my advantage. Cable companys are owned by big business yet I like my internet and if I don't use it I can't be on forums like this which truly has helped me in keeping my sanity in a insane world.....

You're right saying we cannot act outside of the "system". It doesn't mean we have no choice but to follow the system ways. A TV show is a media form of its own. It is about the worst of them since it fictionalizes everything that goes into it, and when it comes to not so mainstream data it just kind of make fun of it all. It is a show, a simulacre, (a simulation of the fantasy) and cannot bring credibility to any subject.

I think that diffusion of sensible information always happens as a trickle down effect (see trickle down theory). It should be even truer with concepts that challenge the cultural minds of populations.

[Bill Ryan]

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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich. :)

[observer]

Bill,

One is rarely thanked for shattering someone's ideologies.

I believe I speak for most of the members, when I say thank you for everything you have done....

[Snoweagle]

Doesn't it make you wonder why TruTV were allowed to broadcast this excellent expose when the black budget cartel command so much secrecy?
Whilst the video clearly raised so many unanswered questions promoting the Mars paradigm into the general public arena, it remains to be seen, how the perception of the public (sheeple) consider its value when compared to the inherent doctrinal belief that the work of NASA is in some way godly and above reproach.

We avidly await disclosure, we have no way of knowing how that will manifest and to what scale, even though the real world is about to embark on another world conflict all controlled by the same owners of the same black op projects. I wonder whether the broadcast of Bill and Kerrys brave truth assault has been tolerated in this endgame time rather than the prequel to disclosure itself. Modern day revelation so to speak.

It says something that you were not intimidated during your desert venture by the Delta Force Seal Airbourne mercenaries afterall which one of them would want to interrogate Kerry, they'd never get a word in. Love you lots Kerry, keep up the good work:-)
Thanks Bill and Kerry, champions too Avalon and Camelot.

[Mozart]

I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich. :)


Wow, Bill, that's a pittance, alright, but a price to pay to gain a priceless foothold into the world of TV, now that you've aired once.


So thanks to your avid supporters and the Internet, the spread of the pilot show will go far and wide, far wider than the initial pilot, so I hope that TruTV is taking notice of that, as well as any other network that may consider tendering an offer to you to create a series out of this.


So if you get a series, THEN you'd finally get the kind of money that you deserve with increasing amounts of money as the series goes into multiple production seasons. You deserve every single bit of any money that you could get from a series.


I do think that huge changes, including Disclosure, is on the way and that such changes would happen very soon, like by the end of this year, 2012, or early 2013, at the latest, so if such changes happens, then the TV networks would fall over themselves to try to get people onto TV to talk about these once-hidden shadow sh!t that the MSM has long endeavored to suppress.


So now that you've aired on TV prior to the big series of the on-going Disclosure process, you'd be first in line of the desirable people whom TV networks would try to nail down in a contract for a series, so you'd be in a stronger position with which to create the kinds of terms that you'd want -- like control over content, footage, etc -- not to mention being paid even more money than you would have been paid in a pre-Disclosure world.


Since any TV series of any shadow operations would likely operate in a post-Disclosure world, footage would then focus on showing the ACTUAL shadow facilities themselves, like the DUMBs in Area 51, Dulce, below Denver; plus the actual space-based craft that the shadow agencies have built and operated, along with the information that our little solar system is so populated with other 3-D beings who have long progressed along the lines of technology that their weapons are "big honker guns" to which our weapons -- even the best, reverse-engineered ones -- have no answer for, so Earth's little, breakaway civilization is stuck with this little, 'ol Third Rock from the sun.


If we humans want to go out in space and finally join the gigantic space community that already exists out there, our ET buddies will no doubt point out that we would have to drop our ways of war, of killing each other and re-orient our thinking of using weapons only in self-defense against other 3-D space/time beings out there with those "big honker guns". Self-defense ONLY and only after failures of hailing others, like how Star Trek does it in their efforts to communicate with any ships out there that pose any threat to them, firing back only if attacked.


If we were to drop our ways of war and to connect with the 88+ ET-based civilizations that are out there, then I have little doubt that the ETs would assist us in technology in helping us to get out there, to properly defend ourselves out there, and most importantly, to help us clean up the MASSIVE, EFFING mess that we've made down here on our Earth.


Cleaning up the mess and making peace amongst ourselves is our first priority and our first test about our fitness for space-based travel. With the ETs connecting with us, we'd be able to quickly clean up our mess, then we can see about space-based travel.


So with all that in mind, I think that Bill and Kerry will very soon find themselves having TV executives banging on their door in their asking for contracts for a TV series to be done and that the TV series would be done in an effing hurry in order to get them out there asap, given the public's soon-to-be insatiable demand for any shadow-based information.


So Bill and Kerry, you may want to talk with each other asap, along with your agent, about this and try to visualize the very real possibility of suddenly having a whirlwind of TV-based activity. If you've talked about this prior to it happening and have agreed upon some common ground, then both of you could handle this coming and sudden rush with greater ease and ability to be united to nail down a better contract for a better quality TV series to begin.


I'd suggest for both of you to leave your calendars as open as possible in Dec, 2012 and the early part of 2013, so that you'd be free to make commitments to support your new TV series that I'm pretty sure would happen once the big Disclosure events finally unfold in big public ways.


~Mozart

[Rocky_Shorz]

David Wilcock has a lot of shows on History channel, doesn't he have contacts to move you in there too?

[Mike]

way to go Bill!

cool cool stuff. don't spend all that money in 1 place!;)

[Hervé]

A possible reason why the pilot was released from under someone's elbow -- and which is a standard operating procedure in military circles -- is that this particular project has become obsolete. The military, for example, did it with the A bomb once they got a grip on the H bomb; leaking scientific info on the obsolete one.

To understand why that particular project, which is part of the whole "Alternative 3," has become obsolete is explained plainly by "Daniel" in his recent publications (see this thread:
Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP, World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension) ) and which corroborates what Ingo Swann, way back when, "remote viewed" on the moon.

Hence, giving media coverage to this -- now obsolete -- project, becomes a distraction outlet from what is currently "not-yet-obsolete."

[WhiteFeather]

So to simplify the moral of the entire UFO supression agendas are due to the fact that The Alternative Energy Devices That Our Galactic Friends Utilize to enter our Space, would create quite a catastrophic jolt to this planet's economical infrastructure!!!!!! Goes to show you how money and destruction of our sacred planet is the main priority here and nothing else. Keeping us imprisoned to this Energy Ponzi Scheme.

[Snookie]

I have to wonder if one of the reasons this program was aired now is because of the Curiosity rover now on Mars? What if they decide to reveal there is life on the planet? Well they can always point to this program & say "we told you about it", just a thought....

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bill Ryan: "Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience"

Hi Bill ~

It might depends on the consequences and on how much you need to lower the bar in order to get a chance to be exposed to the large audience, it also dependes on the chances of the audience to understand what is presented to them in a coherent way through a specific format. it depends on how much you divert from the energy that brought you to the place you are right now, and gave the information you exposed the leverage it needed and created a ripple effect. it also depends on how much cooperation can be achieved through a media that supports human brain degeneration (now, that one is a little radical, but not totally unbased) and it depends on how much control you are willing to let someone else have to convey your message , this one is an important consideration because they can also discredit you if and when the need arise...

All in all, it is only up to you and to Kerry to consider, of course :)) and as one Avalonian once said - All is well, and it is true for every situation, this is one bet (you will need to eat your hat, what else:rolleyes: ) I would not like to be involved in..

There can be many points of view as there are many members here, but, I think everyone who expresses an opinion basically care a great deal for you, Kerry, Avalon and Camelot and the general cause, to want it to be thrown away, or be cheapened in any way , the fact that you are open to listen is very admirable and not taken for granted. you are a rare species ~

[Mandala]

Make sure you go to TRUTV , and contact them, leave a comment to let them know you liked it and want more.

It's a small box, so squish in what you can..
I love watching TRUTV. I watched the Jesse Ventura new show and it was good, glad he's back. I really liked the show that came after, Shadow Operations. Can we see more of those? When, what time, let me know! I loved the first episode!!

[pugwash84]

omggggggg that was so frikken cool, I loved it. It's got a lot of facts out but also very entertaining and exciting, I found myself at the edge of my seat lol. When can we see another?

[pugwash84]

Make sure you go to TRUTV , and contact them, leave a comment to let them know you liked it and want more.

It's a small box, so squish in what you can..
I love watching TRUTV. I watched the Jesse Ventura new show and it was good, glad he's back. I really liked the show that came after, Shadow Operations. Can we see more of those? When, what time, let me know! I loved the first episode!!

Good idea, I just did that.

I've just seen SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project and it was brilliant, I would love to see more stuff like this on tv. It had a lot of theory's but at the same time very exciting, It was like geek but chic. Best thing on tv for a long time.

[Amysenthia]

I was so excited to see the episode that has been so talked about. One can only wonder what took TruTV so long to put it on. I wish that I had seen it advertised by TRU TV so that I could have watched its original airing. The Project Camelot presentation was so much more believable than the Jesse Ventura, in your face, conspiracy type shows. PC shows the truth behind what JVs "Conspiracy Theory", just touches on. I loved how you just show the dots and how they connect. TruTV needs to air PC before Conspiracy Theory to show people what is behind the stories that he is just starting to learn about. PC has discovered, done the background, and are disseminating the info.

I do wish that Bob Dean would have had a greater part of the stories shown. HIs story is one of the most fascinating that anyone can learn about.

I will definitely be looking forward to more shows. I will also make sure to drop MHO on the TruTv homepage.

Thanks for all that you have done Bill and Kerry. I know I am personally forever grateful.

[13th Warrior]

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

I concur, you did the right thing.

The show was good!

I'm glad you were upfront about the staged armed guard incident; my only little niggle about the production but, i understand why these things are done.

Best of luck on future shows; break a leg!

[BrianEn]

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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich. :)


Then there's always the opportunity to direct people who wouldn't know of Camelot and Avalon to be able to find youse.

[Shade]

That vid was pretty interesting. It was cool to be able to see people talking like that in the flesh so that their body language can be analysed. I found this video informative would definitely like to see more like it. And as suggested; How about the History Channel? They have done so well with Ancient Aliens, why not you guys?

Andy Basiago - I detected micro expressions during this video of slight smirking - the way he is standing, slightly back but forcing himself forward, part of him is lying and is showing that.. and he is smirking because he is pleased with himself but the smirk is mixed into microexpressions of self disgust. In other words, his body language says that he is not telling the truth.

Just for an example in there of someone being honest, David Wilcock was telling the truth, his body language was open and not in self conflict. In that he is not making up what he has been told by his contacts but that doesn't say anything about whether they were being truthful, it just means that David isn't lying. A person who is lying will usually have conflicting messages in their body, with one layer betraying their dishonesty, because the body really cannot lie. it will make something apparent, but it can be extremely hard to spot, usually just leaving you with a certain something missing or a feeling of 'going along with' what someone has said. Many people can cover the conflicts and just hold your attention in such a way as that you are mesmerised by them and don't see the lying because you want to believe them because they want you to - these are skilful deceivers with charisma charm.

Sometimes you can see it in a holding back, a disgust for self a hostility a turning away of the body, and unnatural modulations in the tone and meter of their words. Basiago during the discussion on the sky of Mars - the meter was too regular and rehearsed and he used the 'baby blue sky' phrase because that was the exact wording that Carl Sagan used as documented (And that it looked like Arizona). It was out of harmony and place, this bit he knows very well what to say and that it was exactly what was expected to be heard. A bit of nervousness caused him to fall back on the exact script wording which is a bit of a mistake. Not that there is an exact script word for word that I am implying here just that the story as a whole as he had learned it had those exact words in it.

Listen to the way he says "I took two trips to mars" 25:35, specifically the up lift in 'two', and the hesitation before he says the sentence. He says it with a slight tone which says that he doesn't believe it himself. The reason he doesn't believe it himself is because he didn't go there. Even if someone is mind controlled (brain washed, programmed etc.) into believing they went somewhere they didn't you can read it in their body language and voice because their subconscious speaks of knowing that nothing of this kind took place and it will underlay the conscious expression in micro expressions, body language and voice in a conflicting manner. If something is spoken of and actually DID take place, not just with the conscious believing it, but all of a person believing it, all the layers of body and voice action are in harmony and do not conflict. It is like watching and listening to a piece of music - lies, deception or confusion weigh in as disharmony in the music you see and hear from them.

Now I have picked this up on a first watch - this is the best way to get this kind of reading because the more you look at it and analyse it, the more your own noises and excuses and desires about what you want to hear rather than what is actually being said can desensitise you and cloud your perceptions. From that point you have to have a good grasp of the micro expressions and body language analysis frame by frame and the voice too to take it further. I definitely see that Basiago is not speaking the truth. If you listen to the sentence "I took two trips to mars" his words and his voice do not match up because that's not what he's really saying. What he's saying is that "I didn't take two trips to Mars but I am telling you that and I hope you believe me, God I hate myself for lying to you, what a sh*tty and difficult job I have I hope I get a raise for this lying but I'm not so confident that it's working on you, damn I'm on camera. smile for the camera. oh no it knows. I'm so busted."

26:27 "They put a contact officer (sort of) in my life" the sort of is very quick and a disclaimer which is a little hiccup from his subconscious as a confession - it reads: soft of = no they didn't. It didn't happen. Look at the micro expression at 26:42. His eyes narrow his tongue is out, he was nodding and hesitates because it is a no, not a yes. He knows what he is saying is false or his subconscious knows it, if he is brain washed to say what he is saying, which is possible. Who knows what kinds of conditioning he has been through. It could be either, but is more likely to be intentional because of the disgust mircoexpressions. Someone who has been manipulated to say things without their conscious intent to deceive being the driver is not going to find them self as disgusting and uncomfortable as someone who is doing it on purpose.

With the level seen here, he is doing it on purpose. What I hear from him is a rehearsed story, with a shallow depth of actual existence - it appears shallow in his body language... only the surface is speaking it. Every sentence... "I saw a swirling.... and it opened into an underground base on Mars".. none of the words match the sound and pace of the sentences. That's how things start to sound when you have rehearsed them too many times and you don't mean them, a true experience of the things is not being accessed in order to speak them.

I also want to say that not telling the geologist that the photos were on Mars "because all geology is the same" is not true. The geology on Mars is different to the geology on Earth. The plate tectonics (which ended a long time ago now because Mars is smaller than the Earth meaning it cooled down quicker), the soil physics, the gravity and air pressure means that things are different up there in how its matter moves and for instance how water, or rather ice, behaves in the soil, as well as all other molecules and atoms. There are things on Mars that you don't see on Earth because it's Mars and has different geology. One side of Mars for instance displays a very old surface, heavily cratered from the heavy bombardment 3.5ish billion years ago. Only minute pieces of the Earth remain from this point in time in the Solar System's history, because our plate tectonics have recycled all our surface rocks. The rocks on Mars display heavy cratering from all variations of meteorites and their geological effects on impact. We don't have all the comparisons to make to them on Earth. Therefore it is not going to look like anything we know here. Also, to me - the formations in the photos at question looked natural, to Mars.

[genevieve]

Bill--

Kudos to you and Kerry, and thank you.

I'm glad I hung in and watched the episode to the end, but I almost didn't.

The camera flitting from one thing to the next like a busy fly was almost
more than I could bear, and had I been watching it alone, I most surely
would've turned it off.

It seems that quick shots are de rigeur in "truth" TV, but your episode
seemed to go beyond what I've experienced elsewhere. Makes me wonder
if TruTV were actually trying to put viewers off for some reason.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Huma]

So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show.

The problem with a TV show like this is that you have little or no control over what you're asked to do, or -- worse still! -- over the editing. We shot something like 25 hours of material over 8 days (with two cameras). The show in the end lasted 43 minutes, minus commercials -- which means that 97% of the footage was unused or rejected. Kerry and I offered our opinions quite strongly (as you might imagine) ... but in the end we had no executive authority over anything at all.

There was one instance at the end of a long day's shooting when I reprimanded the camera team for not capturing a particularly smart bit of ad lib, that had happened before they were prepared. I was quietly taken aside by both the the Director and Producer and told in no uncertain terms that it was categorically not my place to say anything at all about those parts of the production.

This kind of thing was was always a problem, because we were not just 'talent' (as actors and presenters are known in Hollywood). We were film makers, camera operators, editors, directors and producers in our own right, well able to put together a whole show ourselves if we had the funding. We were a kind of anomaly, and from the production company's point of view were not always easy to deal with. :)

It's not all bad, though. Doing the pilot show on The Mars Project was my own suggestion (I proposed it to TruTV in a phone call when Kerry was not able to make it to that conference), and they were smart enough to pick it up and use it. Sean Carroll, Ron Nicks, Dave Rosenfeld (good catch!) and Andy Basiago were brought in by the producers, but of course we introduced Gordon Novel (it was my idea to start the show with him), David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland, Brian O'Leary, and Bob Dean.

We had pushed hard for Henry Deacon's important testimony to be included as a centerpiece, but were told it could not happen for legal reasons (he had not given his consent). We'd also pushed even harder for the show to be called PROJECT CAMELOT (not Shadow Operations!) -- but for reasons which are still hard to understand, given the very large existing support base, TruTV did not want to use the name.


Is the AlphaZebra version Bill's version? There should be something in the title which indicates it's the original Project Avalon version.

Yes, I edited that myself. AlphaZebra is the Avalon channel. :)

Thanks for addressing that Bill. While my personal thoughts on the evidence against wilcock and hoagland still stands, it's good to know you gave it your best, and I would have assumed as much :). Henry Deacon/Arthur to this day is the one person that has intrigued me the most, maybe next to the likes of Pete peterson, bob dean, and Clifford stone (i have had many very long conversations with clifford and gathered some interesting facts about him that are not known publicly). It is a shame Arthur won't/can't go on public record anymore.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Huma, Clifford Stone is one of the most intriguing people and whistleblowers, he has a real military story to tell, on the edge of unbelieable. but he seems to be an extremely decent and honest person (and an empath), which makes it way more easy to listen to what he says and reflect on the meaning of it all. I think that his testimony is a good place for a begginers to listen to and I used to recommend the Camelot interview done with him, as a stepping stone for those who need to lose their 'Ufo virginity' . It is a shame that we can not hear more from him.

[STATIC]

Just thought I'd give an update. The version I posted in the closed thread has 50,000 hits. I posted a link to this thread and also a link to the new higher quality version in the description of that video.

I can't wait to see the next episode :pop2:

[4evrneo]

Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. .....'

First - an apology if what I am about to say is impolite, as I very much appreciate the work of Project Camelot and this forum.

But I whole heartedly agree with the above. I do not endorse mixing fiction with fact. That makes it very hard for the viewer to know which information they can trust...if any.

I would love to see a documentary by you and Kerry, where you had full control of the production ( I am presuming that in this case there would be no reenactments ).

The information you present is world changing, and as such needs to be presented with integrity.

Being someone who doesnt very often watch tv, I was impressed with the information but a little disappointed that it was obvious that you did not have the control of the presentation side of things. I deeply admire Bill and kerry for all the effort and dedication to get the info out more into the public. I hope there are more shows down the road that present more of the integrity I have come to respect so much from Bill & Kerry.

Blessings,
Annette

[Ba-ba-Ra]

-------

I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich. :)

IMO, Bill, you and Kerry did the right thing.... Get your foot in the door first, and then you have a voice. The voice may be a whisper at first, but if your intentions behind what you are doing stay the course (and you don't get pulled into the power/money trap), that voice will continue to get stronger.

I understand where some of you that criticized this pilot are coming from. But I don't think you understand how the movie/TV industry works. I've had a little experience with them and believe me, it's a tough business on every level and even very successful authors who have sold their novels have found that having input - and your way - isn't any easy go. Eventually they have to make the same decision that Bill/Kerry had to make: Is it better to compromise and get some of it out there and reach the many - or stay home and keep preaching to the same small choir.

And to me, that's what this pilot is all about - reaching the many. It's not for us, we know all this stuff. And, unfortunately, in this world addicted to drama, you first have to play their game to some extent to get the attention of the many.

Instead of looking for ways to find fault, let's find ways to give this attempt some good positive energy. IMO, if it succeeds, we all succeed.

[onawah]

I agree. The quality of Bill and Kerry's pilot show was far above anything else I've seen so far in the genre, despite TruTV's attempt to turn it into the usual adulterated stuff they serve up, with the silly sound effects and camera tricks, dramatized events, etc.,
Bill and Kerry's sincerity and integrity were still shining through, clear and obvious to those with the eyes to see.
If there is to be more to follow, it surely will help to catch the attention of those ready to open to the truth.
And for those of us who are already in the know, it's very validating to see it airing so openly, for all to see.

.

[Limor Wolf]

There were quite a few new facts I never heard before in this show, very interesting and very contributing! Bill's presentation was marvelous. I get what you say Ba-ba-ra and I really wish to appologise, I am walking with a 'not good feeling' in my belly these last few days, not wanting to be one of those who put a needle in the balloon.


Originally posted by Ba-ba-ra: " I understand where some of you that criticized this pilot are coming from. But I don't think you understand how the movie/TV industry works. I've had a little experience with them and believe me, it's a tough business on every level and even very successful authors who have sold their novels have found that having input - and your way - isn't any easy go. Eventually they have to make the same decision that Bill/Kerry had to make: Is it better to compromise and get some of it out there and reach the many - or stay home and keep preaching to the same small choir.

Yes, I think this is one of the questions that pop regularly in all sorts of situations, quality or quantity?
It can also be refered to forums such as Avalon, should it be open for everyone who wishes to participate? a noble idea but there might be some consequences and it might deviate the discussions from its course.

Some other questions can pop up - Is it at all effective? It is every awake and aware's person wet dream to suddenly find some thousands more joining us with asking questions ;) but is that what actually happens as a result of such programs? (relating to the gener)

I must say, I have passed the show to a couple of people that have no relations to what is going on, but keep an open mind. one of the responses was -

"Interesting. I hear it at work, without watching,
And I have to say there are plenty of drums and effects
Much like the BBC programs on the Loch Ness Monster and the Yeti


After watching most of the movie my level of uncertainty increased
It's like a movie thriller, there are always slim hints and blurry images.."

I have said nothing ,but simply passed the video with a short description.

This show might, though, open a door to other great opportunities!... who knows ? :- , but it may also risk Bill and Kerry's Camelot hard work during all the years, we need to remember that they gave up their rights of the material. the program is not in the hands of channel TV like RT, for example, who try to bring some real news to the world in an unbiased way (hopefully), it is in the hands of an entetainment television, an entertainment for the masses, Bill and Kerry's image might not be taken seriousely enough as Jesse Ventura's image has been impacted.. with no intention to compare between the two, each with their own style, and each bring something else to the table, but outcomes can be the same. I understand the desire and the intent behind it, but maybe patience is a virtue.

It seems I may be doing it again - take the wind out of the sails, oops, clearly not my intention. I guess I feel quite strongly about it.
To play in the other team's field is always lowering the chances for a win, but, I will say no more about it.


Peace

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[Cartomancer]

I thought the show was entertaining.

Obviously the staged portions and the so called 'reality' style of the show are not good IMHO. I notice they use the same production techniques on the show 'Conspiracy Theory.' Good for you for at least admitting it. I just feel it takes away from the way the other content is processed by that part of the public that has never been exposed to this info. A straight documentary style presentation would get the point across better. The drama is totally unneeded and reduces the impact of what is being said. I mean we tell the guys name and what city he lives in but the meeting has to be in a vacant lot? Or a 'greasy spoon' diner like where Wilcock met his buddy?

I have heard Bill time after time preach integrity and even refuse to interview people who use pen names or false names but now its o.k. to stage portions of a given subject matter to appeal to the mind scooped masses? I think project Camelot/Avalon would be better off not participating in a show of this caliber. You guys are going to lose your underground cred.

[Carmody]

I have heard Bill time after time preach integrity and even refuse to interview people who use pen names or false names but now its o.k. to stage portions of a given subject matter to appeal to the mind scooped masses? I think project Camelot/Avalon would be better off not participating in a show of this caliber. You guys are going to lose your underground cred.

To a certain extent, some old axioms apply, one of which is: "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they say about me."

The odds of a pure message getting out there as initial starting points can go...are pretty low.

First points of awareness, intrusion, awakening and 'turning and noting' (as an actual subject) are rarely pure. And if so, the disconnect to and with known and expected quantities can cause more rejection than internal rumination and review. The subject is so complex that one cannot find anything (IME) that is simple that will make sense to anyone who is not aware of the more complex shapes and pathways of the whole thing.

Another thing... is that for intelligence to remain within humanity, we have to turn from 'dumbing down' to 'smartening up' within the context of our desires and attempts in and of life.

Life orientation in humans has moved in the wrong direction (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/1287365--are-humans-getting-dumber-one-u-s-biologist-thinks-we-ve-got-nothing-on-hunter-gatherers-of-old), as recent articles have outlined, as issues go. Part of the parasite complex, if one swings that way in their rumination. Clarity and stability in emotions , or, a controlled expectation bias... will allow the points of the article that are real to come through with no excessive emotions attached. This, regarding the shifting of data in the mind into overt paranoia about animal like selection of who lives and who dies. For such emotional turmoil is apparently...part of the point of the thing. Dumbing down instead of smartening up. Alternatively (thinking wise), the article and research raises valid and important points..... but be careful about what flag it is wrapped in. It's a complex subject, in that emotional negativity can and does bring about a chemical stew in the body that enables the disconnection of neurons. Thus we can be in a 'whole life' situation where negativity abounds, in a controlled and scripted way... and we will have stripped away our capacity to recognize it, in the exact same way we endeavor to forget painful moments from our childhood and whatnot. The brain is plastic and a negative casting of/in our life can strip away our capacity to recognize problem areas, problem areas that are repeatedly abused.

To repeat, to make it clear...that we create and enable stupidity and the blind spot ...due to brain plasticity/reactivity in the context of negative casting of portions of said life (externally and internally derived). Basically the unconscious animal function in precedent, prominence, and act, as a non consciously realized act in subtlety of underlying bodily function. Stupid is as stupid does, in the literal sense. (the cart and horse inside of each other)

Circling back to the initial point, that getting over this now nearly evolved hump, requires that the context, the introduction of the subject matter at hand...be simplified and not all that perfected.

As a perfected view is necessarily complex and is less likely to open the door in many people. Intelligence is as intelligence does, and thus the stupid is as stupid does. In my personal and observed experience, each as a cascading increase in value, if acted upon. One, the stupidity, is a cascading unconscious situation in formation and act. Cascading and increasing intelligence is a combination of both -conscious and unconscious. And the unconscious component stepping more out of the darkness/shadow as a complimentary and connected reality.

Most modern media connections are simplified and downturning (in psychological initial outlay/connection and continuance), in order to reach audience --and keep said audience.

What is required here is simplification and upturning, which is tricky at best. An initial starting point as a uptick... to create and hold..long enough to bring it to fruition as a form of elevation.

In the current shape that the bulk of the audience exists as... leading them bit, in a form that they recognize and integrate with -is key. To catch and hold the modern idiom of idealizing and expectation bias in the bulk audience, and then..shift it.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I guess you just have to bobble down the river on this strange boat. It's all in your path and destiny so doesn't matter how you get there you just get there.

I personally think you'll do much better things once this has reached it's peak.

[nomadguy]

and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...
ayLy2cagLE8

[swoods_blue]

I joined this forum because it's full of earnest people seeking truth, and I admire the tone and maturity on display. But I also joined specifically to comment on this thread.

I watched the pilot, and come at it in the context of having watched dozens of hours of Camelot, Avalon and associated videos on "teh Interwebs." The TruTV pilot is jarring, in a sense, because it uses so many of the typical tricks of the trade of reality TV, when all of that is absent in the more earnest presentations we've become used to. I thought the re-enactment was unfortunate, because a) it wasn't really a re-enactment at all, but rather a dramatization of something which happened to someone else. and b) it wasn't necessary, but rather simply "sexed it up" a bit. The danger, as I'm sure Bill and Kerry appreciate, is that this could be used as Exhibit A in an argument that they fabricate data. I appreciate what they were trying to accomplish, and in the end, perhaps it was necessary to midwife this thing into existance. But please don't be naive to the dangers and traps involved in shenanigans like this.

In watching the pilot, my feeling was that the proper presentation style for information like this would be a "Frontline" type of sober journalism. But reality TV probably doesn't know how to do that. That would argue that perhaps Reality TV is the wrong format for the material under discussion.

All of this, however, probably comes down to tactics in a sphere where strategic thinking is what counts. And we must not lose sight of the fact that this TruTV pilot was packed with ideas and data which simply are not going to be seen anywhere else on television. ANYWHERE. It was pioneering, though 90% of viewers may not realize it. Bob Dean's comments, as well as the images shown, will reverberate.

Best of luck in getting a follow-up underway, and I do hope that it involves fewer compromises.

[Bill Ryan]

and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...


After Sean Carroll had torn off his mike and walked away (Kerry has been questioning him about Remote Viewing in the context of faster-than-light information transfer), we both sat on on a low wall in the CalTech garden and had a highly intelligent conversation between us, still on camera, about the state of modern physics and the state of knowledge of modern physicists in the public and private domains.

It's a huge shame this segment was not aired, but it would have been way too erudite for the regular TruTV audience! And the footage was not ours, do we do not have it -- and would be legally constrained from showing it if we did.

One of the points we agreed on was that mainstream public-sector physicists -- like Sean Carroll and a number of others in his league -- did not make the cut. This is important to understand.

The very brightest and best have all been identified, handpicked, extracted from academia, and fast-tracked for black projects. They are pushing the boundaries from behind the scenes (and have been since the late 40s or even earlier) -- and are unknown and invisible. They're also unknown to Sean Carroll et al, as their research is not published publicly. Stan Deyo will confirm.

In the days before Camelot, back in 2000, I had a chance meeting with a physicist, when on vacation, who clearly was highly educated and knew a very great deal. I was fascinated with some of the things he was talking about. I eventually asked him where he got his degrees and where he worked, as I knew by then that he must be highly accomplished in his field. He told me he did not have a degree. I was incredulous.

I asked him about this, as I was confused, and he motioned me to walk with him along the beach. There he told me that he had been a very bright high school student, and had -- for his high school physics project -- invented a vacuum-plasma-powered laser gun (or some such thing: I cannot remember the details). It was the kind of story Disney would have immediately written into a kids' movie.

What had then happened was that he got a knock on the door from the NSA, who told him that he had inadvertently re-invented a piece of classified Star Wars weaponry. They understood that he was just an extremely smart kid, and offered him a contract, a bunch of money, and the opportunity to work at Bell Labs -- straight away -- where, they told him, he would have a far better education than at any other school, would work alongside the best of the best, and would have free rein to invent things with as many resources as he would ever wish.

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

:)

[SEAM]

Bill, was this the guy you met? No education.. inadvertently helped invent star wars.. was on J. Ventura last night...

http://www.alienscientist.com/judywood.html

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, was this the guy you met? No education.. inadvertently helped invent star wars.. was on J. Ventura last night...

http://www.alienscientist.com/judywood.html

No... that's John Hutchison, who's pretty well-known. The person I met, like thousands who share his story and circumstances, is nowhere on the internet.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bill Ryan : " What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time."

Now, that is a finale that leaves us with our tounge hanging -:
It makes one think how many brilliant minds were recruited to work for the black projects, government institutions or simply be under their supervising umbrella, I wonder how many of them are aware of this issue? how much of their findings/ inventions/ developements goes out to the public or ultimately used only in the privet hands of the secret operations?

== EDIT==

Is Andrew basiago is supposedly an ex-NSA?

William Binney seems to be one. he was a NSA worker that found out that what he was working on (electronic surveillance) is not only being used for 'special purposes', but on the whole of the society:


http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-william-binney-explains-nsa-surveillance-2012-8



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=590cy1biewc

[truth4me]

and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...


After Sean Carroll had torn off his mike and walked away (Kerry has been questioning him about Remote Viewing in the context of faster-than-light information transfer), we both sat on on a low wall in the CalTech garden and had a highly intelligent conversation between us, still on camera, about the state of modern physics and the state of knowledge of modern physicists in the public and private domains.

It's a huge shame this segment was not aired, but it would have been way too erudite for the regular TruTV audience! And the footage was not ours, do we do not have it -- and would be legally constrained from showing it if we did.

One of the points we agreed on was that mainstream public-sector physicists -- like Sean Carroll and a number of others in his league -- did not make the cut. This is important to understand.

The very brightest and best have all been identified, handpicked, extracted from academia, and fast-tracked for black projects. They are pushing the boundaries from behind the scenes (and have been since the late 40s or even earlier) -- and are unknown and invisible. They're also unknown to Sean Carroll et al, as their research is not published publicly. Stan Deyo will confirm.

In the days before Camelot, back in 2000, I had a chance meeting with a physicist, when on vacation, who clearly was highly educated and knew a very great deal. I was fascinated with some of the things he was talking about. I eventually asked him where he got his degrees and where he worked, as I knew by then that he must be highly accomplished in his field. He told me he did not have a degree. I was incredulous.

I asked him about this, as I was confused, and he motioned me to walk with him along the beach. There he told me that he had been a very bright high school student, and had -- for his high school physics project -- invented a vacuum-plasma-powered laser gun (or some such thing: I cannot remember the details). It was the kind of story Disney would have immediately written into a kids' movie.

What had then happened was that he got a knock on the door from the NSA, who told him that he had inadvertently re-invented a piece of classified Star Wars weaponry. They understood that he was just an extremely smart kid, and offered him a contract, a bunch of money, and the opportunity to work at Bell Labs -- straight away -- where, they told him, he would have a far better education than at any other school, would work alongside the best of the best, and would have free rein to invent things with as many resources as he would ever wish.

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

:) One thing that I noticed for about the last year or so is confimation of my thoughts on a subject. I'll explain. I was at work recently and a person ask me how do I think that the government finds "smart" young people to work for them. My answer was they have people looking at test scores and grade point averages of kids accross the nation I would say even starting at grade school then they investigate the kid and interview his teachers etc; The better the school the more they look at the child and follow his/her progress. No one told me this but it came to me after the person ask me the question now I read Bill's reply.....to some this might be common knowledge but to a lot that are asleep they never think about stuff like this.....the dumbing down of the masses at work here.

[Tangri]

-------

I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich. :)

Am I against to the doctors making profit for using their hardship earned skills? Absolutely NO

Am I against to Dr. OZ making profit for using his hardship earned skills in different way? Well , it must be YES.
More words will not help the explain my criticism.
Love and Hope

[TigaHawk]

Speaking of Mars.


news.com.au released a high res color image of Mars on their front page today!

Check this one out!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/11/15/1226516/664077-king-sound.jpg

Water! How about that!


Oh wait sorry... That's Australia....

(but seriously, what does that look identicle too that was from mars! "sand dunes" my butt)


http://www.news.com.au/travel/australia/striking-images-of-australias-hidden-gems-by-iconic-photographer-ken-duncan/story-e6frfq89-1226516649222

[nomadguy]

Speaking of Mars.


news.com.au released a high res color image of Mars on their front page today!

Check this one out!

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/11/15/1226516/664077-king-sound.jpg

Water! How about that!


Oh wait sorry... That's Australia....

(but seriously, what does that look identicle too that was from mars! "sand dunes" my butt)


http://www.news.com.au/travel/australia/striking-images-of-australias-hidden-gems-by-iconic-photographer-ken-duncan/story-e6frfq89-1226516649222
Some of the photos from the previous Mars missions show what could be water... Or is it OIL?
I had read an article a long time back about a type of satellite sensor that was used on mars to look underneath the sand. The device ran into a anomaly of sorts while flying over one part of the planet, ~no signal came back...
So I hypothesized that it could have been oil.
The sensors on the satellite were expecting a signal back, in which the vibrations of everything in between could be calculated to some degree. Only this time they hit something dense(?) and that refracted the signal or trapped the signal. If it was not oil or some liquid like a petroleum deposit ~what could it have been?
Also in some of the latest photographs from Mars I noticed the color of the low spots "sand" and clays, were dark. That I also find odd. On earth low lands are almost always white, near white or at least a lighter shade that the rocks nearby, and the higher areas that do not erode as quickly.
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0031018212001228-gr2.jpg
This is a mere observation and I do not know how scientific it is.
However in the new curiosity rover images you can notice the very dark color at the very bottom of the sand pits. hmmm.
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/17/curiosity-rover-mountsharp-hills_620x350.jpg

This pictures from Mars with such dark looking water-like features... Maybe it is water, but perhaps mixed with a powdery substance like carbonized lead or something else. Tilth (I am very much thinking out load-stopping now, feel free to comment)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/Mars_Slope_Streaks_PIA09030.jpg/320px-Mars_Slope_Streaks_PIA09030.jpg


To make a point about ~
What we see on Mars, even from a great distance might be very very different than what is observed on Earth. Adding that this might be a good point to remember when looking into any sort of data coming from Mars.

Thanks Bill for the back story, it has my ears twitching.
I so which I could have been a fly on the wall, I listened to Sean Carroll and Noory last night, I liked his way of communicating. And the subject very interesting, he made some very important points. Particularly about scientific discoveries and how often times, what we are shooting for might of be the thing we discover in the doing that ends up being the breakthrough later down the road.

On the subject of faster than light information transfer. Perhaps it is not so much transferred, like point to point like a bus going down the street from stop A to B. But rather in some other way where no time or distance is needed to do it. To try to explain my meaning, the "I" that is some other place deciphers what the other "I" is thinking here... By way of the source field without traveling at all.

Carry on ~ :yo:

[Nenuphar]

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

:)

Very much looking forward to hearing more about this!

[MistahMojoRisin]

loved it bill, you and Kerry keep up the good work. Reality TV is not Reality so thanks for sharing the inside scoop. It helps me see everything better for what it truely is.

[Observer1964]

I loved it but i dont understand why this...

The confrontation with the security guards was staged (though it was quite well done!). The altercation that had been reported to us by Dave Rosenfeld happened just as he described, and he had been genuinely intimidated. But when we drove out to see if we could provoke a similar experience, nothing happened. The "re-enactment" was requested by TruTV. In a sense, this is authentic -- as we do know this could have happened... although in actuality it did not. Such are the rules of the game in Reality TV.I would think that reality tv should be about reality.
I wish this part would not have been part of the production.
I posted this film on a dutch forum and ofcoz the site-skeptic immediatly jumped on it to debunk the entire film.

[Hughe]

The very brightest and best have all been identified, handpicked, extracted from academia, and fast-tracked for black projects. They are pushing the boundaries from behind the scenes (and have been since the late 40s or even earlier) -- and are unknown and invisible. They're also unknown to Sean Carroll et al, as their research is not published publicly. Stan Deyo will confirm.


Richard Alan Miller
David Adair
Patrick Flanagan
... many others ...

[peace]

Hi Bill,
Congrats!! Just finished watching the video, very good to see you can Kerry together again (even a few years removed).

Thanks for the disclosure on the military types, as that would have been my line of questioning. It didn't seem terribly real to me. If that would have happened there would have been plenty more guns, plenty more anger/hostility, bumps, bruises, etc. Personal experience has let me in on that.

I love your hinting at Mr. Deacon. Could you point us in the right direction of what about his testimony has convinced you he went to Mars?

I think your criticism of the physicist might be unfair. He might just have weirded out at the line of questioning and the direction of the conversation. He also may have no idea of the black projects and the fact he wasn't picked. He could be like most of the world; no buy in to the ideas shared here.

And please, please, please, could you go on about the other man who disclosed inadvertanly creating an old star wars weapon and his info?

EDIT
Also, the show never really got to the "why" factor. Why are these alleged bases there? To be covered in epidode 2 someday?

I know Dolan's newest theory supports the secret space program/breakaway society.
BUT: The man power needed for something like this is so large it would be hard to not have people leaking info all over the darn place. Plus a ton of people would be just out right missing, never to be seen again.

Has anyone ever thought to work out the logistics of man power needed to pull off such an operation? Seems like this info could make or brake a theory. hint.

[skippy]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for this document that is definitely triggering imagination. It's a pity that we didn't see the real deal. Personal testimonies are good, but for what they are worth. Personally, I would have loved to see these spacehips taking off for Mars. Hope you've kept this material for the next episode... In any case keep up the good work! Glad to be back!

[soleil]

i loved this, cant wait to see the alphazebra version. :popcorn:

[M6*]

Well said Mozart!

Methinks I hear a SYMPHONY!:-) M6*

[Bill Ryan]

I love your hinting at Mr. Deacon. Could you point us in the right direction of what about his testimony has convinced you he went to Mars?

Literally hundreds of hours of unrecorded, off-record, deep conversation, over coffee, dinner, and in other informal places -- which included him staying with me in my Swiss apartment for a week. That visit was after the hundreds of hours of conversation with Kerry and myself, which had taken place in England nearly a year earlier. (Kerry and I had both been left in zero doubt that he had had the experiences he recounted.)

In my apartment, I'd noticed him staring silently at a large and spectacular photo on the wall of the Grand Canyon. I asked him what he was looking at so intently.

His reply was: "You know what that reminds me of?" -- and then, at some length, he told me about the jumprooms. When I said: "That sounds just like a goods elevator", he said, emphatically. "That's EXACTLY what it was like!" We recorded the JUMPROOM TO MARS conversation with David Wilcock soon afterwards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE


I think your criticism of the physicist might be unfair. He might just have weirded out at the line of questioning and the direction of the conversation. He also may have no idea of the black projects and the fact he wasn't picked. He could be like most of the world; no buy in to the ideas shared here.That's absolutely correct.


And please, please, please, could you go on about the other man who disclosed inadvertently creating an old star wars weapon and his info?As I said earlier, what he told me wasn't a lot, but was nevertheless fascinating. I can safely call him John (his real name!).

He said that when he was working at Bell Labs, he had a wide range of access -- but there were still things he was not permitted to see. He and others were required to walk between clearly marked parallel lines on the floor that denoted a path to be followed through certain areas -- and not to deviate or else alarms would immediately go off to alert security that someone had strayed into a prohibited zone. (Many years later, I learned that this was exactly what Dan Burisch reported that he experienced in area S-4 of Area 51.)

To add to that, when John was walking from one department to another, he was required to wear special goggles that turned everything into a blur except for what was right in front of him -- enough to make sure that he didn't bump into a desk, a person, or a door (or, presumably, fall down the stairs). What was more than a few feet away, he could not see.

John said he encountered an antigravity device that was the size of a pack of cigarettes, which made any object weightless that it was attached to. At the time (pre-Camelot, in 2000), I thought that was pretty cool, and made a remark to that effect. His reply was: "Oh, that's OLD technology."

So I asked him what was 'cool' from his viewpoint, if antigravity was nothing to get too excited about. His reply was intriguing. He did NOT tell me what he witnessed, but he described it in a graphic way. He told me he had responded to what he was shown: "Please -- could I possibly see that one more time?"

Again, he did NOT reveal any clues about what had been so amazing for him to be permitted to observe. But, for what it's worth, I got the strong intuition that he had seen the clear teleportation of an object in the laboratory.

The final thing that was really interesting to me was that he stated clearly that there was a high-tech black projects race going on between the US and China. He said that the state of classified physics was at least 50 years ahead of public sector physics, and was accelerating all the time. (Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/Jake_Simpson.html) had told us 10,000 years, but that may have been a figure of speech: it's very hard to measure such numbers!) He closed the conversation by saying that China was considered a threat by the US, as it was known that they had a 500 year plan for global domination.


Also, the show never really got to the "why" factor. Why are these alleged bases there? To be covered in episode 2 someday?This is something I don't know the answers to. We asked Henry Deacon that question. His reply was that they were very old, had recently (in the 80s, if I remember right) been renovated and upgraded, were used by a number of different human-looking races (including some from the planets around Alpha Centauri), and were multi-functional.

Henry had only visited one of the bases, which was much larger than the other few. He was closely restricted about where he could go to within the base, and was pretty much confined to working on or operating one particular piece of electronic equipment, which was in some way his responsibility. But he did sit down to meetings with others, including human-looking ETs, and told us that he had "stood inside" the "Mars Tubes" described in the TV show... and that they were exactly as they appeared to be in the photos: ancient, translucent, surface tunnels.


I know Dolan's newest theory supports the secret space program/breakaway society.
BUT: The manpower needed for something like this is so large it would be hard to not have people leaking info all over the darn place. Plus a ton of people would be just out right missing, never to be seen again.
Has anyone ever thought to work out the logistics of man power needed to pull off such an operation? Seems like this info could make or brake a theory. hint.The Manhattan Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project), between 1942 and 1946, employed 130,000 people -- all of whom kept the secret from the rest of their compatriots about what they were working on (the development of the atomic bomb). For over four years, neither the American people nor the American media had any idea what was happening. This shows that a very large number of people can, when sufficiently motivated (whether by coercion or patriotism, it makes no difference), keep a pretty watertight secret.

[peace]

Wow, Bill. Thanks much!

I really appreciate your sharing.

I'm hopeful you will meet John again.

As I recall, parts of Mr. Lazar's testimony also noted lines on the floor and googles or being out right blindfolded, no?

I have to admit, the jumproom idea has fascinated me since I saw the interview with Mr. Deacon. He struck me as worried, yet very compassionate (?).

And again, what a refreshing sight seeing you together again.

[Phoenix1304]

Oh I did enjoy that! Bill and Kerry get the Jesse Ventura treatment! Flashing images, the staccato shots matched to the beat of drums or cymbals, the cliff hangers at each ad break. Brilliantly edited. To be honest, the ENDLESS moronic repetitions of the same dramatic moments in the Reality format, gets on my nerves and sometimes makes me want to scream, other than that, I’m fascinated by RealityTV and watch quite a bit of it.

Thanks for posting Bill and, in particular, for your honesty about the ‘reality’. That was an excellent v/o job btw. Maybe they’ll make RealityTV stars out of you and Kerry. And why not, if that’s what you want. Maybe you’ll get to call the shots, maybe not. Remember The Candidate, that movie with Robert Redford when a good soul, on his journey to reaching a greater audience as a politician, gets lost in the labyrinth of imagemakers and spin doctors. Some very good posts here pointing out the perils of that kind of compromise.

Your early stuff with Kerry had a cinema verité, homegrown, grassroots feel. Two ordinary folk, just like us, that want the truth and held strong regarding our Right to Know, fearlessly entering dangerous arenas with their amateur kit. I hope that winning charm doesn’t sail up the proverbial Swannee forever, if they go to a series, because the media is infested with the soulless that have the most insidious ways of coercing one! Of course you’re both well aware that you’re ripe for exploitation by the ‘other side’.

I like to think I see through most of the illusion, the phoney and the staged, watching Celebrity Jungle at the moment and there is glaring evidence of ‘fakery’ at almost every shot. It’s doesn’t really matter, it’s only entertainment.

Here though we’re supposed to be dealing with a search for the truth. And your question about integrity is fundamental. You made it sound like having diehard integrity is in some way short-sighted, it is certainly inconvenient. I’m not sure how you reconciled being part of a “commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion” with being truthseekers. Your integrity is EVERYTHING. It’s why we love you. God forbid we become so sophisticated that it becomes unimportant.

A group of gun toting men that answer to no-one, no badge, with no authority that bully or threaten the public can be prosecuted, in this country at least, thus their pixelated faces puzzled me. Why would investigative reporters protect THEM? Who the hell are they working for? Right to Know. Expose, name and shame.

I read the rest of your post after viewing and saw I’d been well and truly fooled on that one. I thought it had happened to YOU. But they were just jobbing actors. And the scene in the car afterwards discussing how these thugs came out of nowhere and so on, was entirely scripted and fake? How many takes? Just curious if they’re making actors out of you.

I know we’re all banging on about this disclosure of yours regarding the faked security fracass rather a lot, but as far as I’m concerned the subterfuge is only justified if all the participants, both the player and audience have agreed upon the ‘suspension of disbelief’, as when watching movies or theatre, but without this agreement it’s just lying. Merging reality with fiction is very dodgy and opens you to later discreditation as already pointed out on this thread.

Some of us question the ethics and you & K were obviously torn about it. I’m sure TruTV wanting ‘a sense of danger’ seemed harmless enough at the time, but I’m a bit concerned at the compromises you’re prepared to accept in order to go mainstream.

I think we should all question who we’re working for and what their objectives are. Now we know that TruTV is not entirely true, it’s even more likely that everything on it will be taken with a large pinch of salt and you know you’ll be coerced and criticised but hey, that’s the price of fame.

Having said all that, I really did enjoy the show, it cleverly put together a fascinating hypothesis for the general public to chew on. But honestly, I wish you could get hold of that 20+ plus hours of footage and edit it yourself for your hungry, intelligent, minority audience to enjoy without the hype and distortion.

The revelation for the viewers, hopefully, lies in answering your final question, “why would ‘they’ hide it?’”

The answer was in the piece, even though they apparently cut out the most intelligent discussion, to deny the world free energy in order to protect the assets of those holding the earth and her peoples in chains, oil barons and bankers so we really do know who is behind it all.

BP are currently being accused of manslaughter, heads must roll for Deepwater Horizon, and Chevron have been ordered to pay up for the Ecuadorian ecological and humanitarian atrocities, but will they actually pay? They’ve got the money to drag it out for decades. How much longer can they get away with it? The empire is under steady assault at least.

I’m off to enjoy the pleasurable contemplation of what our world will be like when free energy becomes available to all.

Meanwhile, Keep It Real. ; )

[HaveBlue]

I too very much appreciate and salute you Bill for your honesty and integrety shown here on Avalon. Pity most watching that show will not ever know, but it's just entertainment to them anyway.

They have to be up early to get to their poor reality of just struggling to survive,probably not yet knowing how they are even going to pay the power bill that made it possible for them to see the show at all.

The most important facts in that show are that the two most credible people on it in Gordon Novel and Brian O'Leary are both now dead. As is Dr Fred Bell 2 days after giving Jesse Ventura an interview. These facts are just that. Facts. Not staged for 'reality' TV. Was it now safe for TruTV to air only after such facts, now both cannot be asked for further info?

Let's not forget that TruTV is Time Warner after all. Part of the mainstream (controlled) media.

It was obvious (painfully) that the show was in no way a 'Camelot' production but a scripted infotainment show using Bill and Kerry as the main actors, using their credibility to ride the cost tales on.

At the end of the day I think Bill and Kerry did make the right choice in going ahead with this show and it can only serve to get those that care and are interested to do their own homework and further investigate just who these Bill and Kerry people are and what they are about.

Agents of change (for the better) is my opinion if I am to give it in a nutshell.

Lastly, emailing TruTV to tell them how much you enjoyed the show is all very well but lets not forget it will be the emails from those peddling their goods that spent advertising dollars during that show that TruTV is most interested in.

[divine_moments_of_truth]

Pretty over the top with the visual and audio effects...but as you said...network television :drama:

I would love to see more episodes with in-depth interviews and more verifiable information. It would be great if this show could help wake up some of the people who just label these topics as "conspiracy theories"

Anyway, I'm amazed you two made it on cable. Keep on keepin' on!

Max

[A.Steinberg]

I do love the concept Bill, and I know that you deserve a bigger platform to be heard from. I, along with many others love your work and honesty .. it goes a long way I can assure you. My biggest worry is how these TV shows work, getting viewers is all that counts to these people, the truth doesn't even manage third place half the time. In saying this ... thank-you as always for being honest about the staged security! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't sell out to these producers .. be firm, content will always beat stage managed events. I feel confident inside that you feel the same, again kudos to you all. As I always say.. " You're always in good company if you have the truth by your side." A.Steinberg© Can't wait to see more Bill.

[Arrowwind]

Finally I have been able to sit down and watch this.
Its really fantastic and I'm thrilled that this opportunity has come up for you and Kerry.
Underneath the good feelings I have about this I feel a forbodement I can't quite put my finger on.
Perhaps a sense that this is going to bring some phenomenal changes to our reality altering the course
of the consciousness of our human endeavor in some way.

I agree that the theatrics of the editing is not my cup of tea but lets not forget that this work is trying
to communicate to a half asleep audiance. They respond to such theatrics and suspence.
We have to keep them awake the best we can and I think the producers understand this on some level.
Petty shock and awe cinematography does the trick to stimulate through the mire of marijuana smoke, beer and chemical food additatives.
Actors do not act for themselves generally. All concern is made for the audiance that they are projecting to so that they may see and hear the message though whatever veil they are operating out of.

I dont have a TV. I hope further episodes will be placed here so I can see what is being revealed to the public.

I am not surprised if this does go on to air and if it is allowed by whatever ptb, it is a clear indication that the timeline is moving along. They can't keep this stuff under wraps forever if they want to move into full progression of their New World Order and to carry at least a percentage of humanity into a new level of existence it has to come out and this is a start for the masses. ( I said new level, I cannot say if better)

I would have only one request. When an enactment of a situation is happening such as when you were confronted by military personnel at Dugway, that the audiance be informed that it is an enactment. Just paste 'enactment' on the screen. This will lend much more credibility to the work by not silently insinuating you are actually trying to pull one over on us. If you want credibility you must treat the audiance as adults, even if they are mostly half asleep.... and the use of the word 'you', Bill is generic. I understand you have to put up with creative departments outside of your control.

I do have a few questions.

When Dave took you to Dugway in Utah he showed you some photos. Photos he had taken before he was run off by the security on a prevous visit. I have a hard time believing that this security didn't confiscaste his camera disk. How did he account for this?

Also, the triangle ship. I have seen several photos of such ships over the years and heard various reports so this is not new. I am wondering if you think this ship in the photo is the same or similar to the ship known from the Pheonix Lights incident?

My greatest disappointment in the film is the limited time we got to hear Bob Dean. I would like folks to know more about his positive projection for humanity. Are the producers resistant to moving into the more spiritual ramifications?

Another question. Do you have any inkling about this Mars Project being a planned program to facilitate the evacuation of human kind, at least in part, related to potential earth changes?

and lastly, how did Gordon Novel die? And Novel talked about making a movie revealing a lot of stuff. Is that in the make by anyone?

thanks for your great work.

[Bill Ryan]

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Of interest to many reading this thread may be this e-mail from Rick Doty, which he gave me permission to post:




From: Rick Doty
Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012
Subject: Mars project

I watched your program with a lot of interest. I was in the Air Force and my first assignment was at the 26th Air Division/ NORAD Region blockhouse at Luke AFB AZ from 1976 thru 1980. I can verify at least one UFO sighting that was tracked by radar and visually by Air Force interceptor pilots and that the US was keeping records of UFO reports then even though they closed project blue book in 1969.

I also had a brother in law; he worked for a government contractor on projects that required a “Q” clearance from the early 60’s until his death from a heart attack in 1989.

In 1972 he told me something that relates to some of what you brought out in your program.

My brother in law worked for Allied Signal in the government complex on Bannister Road in Kansas City, MO. His security clearance gave him access to every area of the complex. In 1972 he told me that in the underground labs they were experimenting with beaming like on Star Trek. He said they would beam a rabbit across a laboratory, only problem was at the beam to point, you could not tell what was beamed, he said it looked like a mangled pile of garbage. Forty years ago, makes you wonder how far they have gotten since then.

From what I have learned and know about the subject I tend to believe there is at some truth to it.

Rick

[Billy]

This may be of interest.

Andrew D. Basiago will be featured on TruTV's Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura tomorrow, November 21, 2012, at 11:00 pm EST/PST. Follow Andy as he joins Governor Ventura in New Mexico in search of the time travel cover-up.
http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

[T Smith]

I do love the concept Bill, and I know that you deserve a bigger platform to be heard from. I, along with many others love your work and honesty .. it goes a long way I can assure you. My biggest worry is how these TV shows work, getting viewers is all that counts to these people, the truth doesn't even manage third place half the time. In saying this ... thank-you as always for being honest about the staged security! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't sell out to these producers .. be firm, content will always beat stage managed events. I feel confident inside that you feel the same, again kudos to you all. As I always say.. " You're always in good company if you have the truth by your side." A.Steinberg© Can't wait to see more Bill.

My sentiments exactly... I don't mind so much the "bells and whistles" required to sell the show and the marketing tricks employed. I understand fully the market we're dealing with and the necessity to draw an audience. It is a show, after all. Which is the point of your remarks I think. I just want to know where the show begins (whether a true representation, embellishment, or appropriation of real events or even an outright fabrication to enhance the production) and where the documentation, as in a bonafide Project Camelot/Avalon interview, ends. I get it. Even the necessity of a fabrication or two in the production (which I'm not suggesting there was) wouldn't discredit the work as far as I'm concerned, as long as we knew where and why the fabrication is there. (Isn't that how we discern the truth of what's going on from all information?) I'm not even sure if it was his intent to do so when discussing the production with us (maybe just a consequence of Bill's natural proclivity to convey the broader scope and underlying truth of things?) but in any case, he has satisfied any of my questions in this regard with his explanations of the production to us. As far as I'm concerned, the show is a valid to me as an Avalon or Camelot interview, albeit with a few extra bells and whistles and fancy packaging.

[Mozart]

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

:)


Hey Bill,


I know exactly who you are talking about, but I won't tell! ;-)

[AwakeInADream]

This might be of interest here: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934ApJ....79..308A

In 1932-33 they found about 30 spectral Oxygen lines on Mars.
It didn't suggest that the atmosphere was breathable,
but who knows what's been discovered and covered up again since then.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/t2png?bg=%23FFFFFF&/seri/ApJ../0079/600/0000308.000&db_key=AST&bits=4&res=100&filetype=.gif

[OnyxKnight]

I just watched the video, and I have to say, it was amazing! :)

Bill, I can understand why you took this step, and in my opinion, I think it was the right choice. I also understand it was a hard one to make, since this is not a decision that one comes with during a 15 minute coffee break. It takes time, and analyzing the angles of approach, the consequences, the risks and dangers, the benefits, etc., its not easy.

I liked the format, I liked how a lot of the things we have covered in a more complex way, were toned down and chewed up so to speak, for the larger masses, who are more used to this kind of approach. To be honest, I'm not a fan of reality TV, like most here, so its a shame that you were sort of made to act and play out scenes that are not true, and even acting out one that didn't even happen to you, but I still understand that those were the rules and that you and Kerry didn't had much say in it. But, I have to say, I was surprised how well you and Kerry act! :) As if you were engaging this topic for the first time, and had no knowledge of it prior. I personally wouldn't have been able to do this even for great amounts of money, so great job! :), you gave the whole thing a very realistic tone.

I really, REALLY, loved seeing you again with Kerry as a team. I can't describe how happy I was to see you both back "in action" so to speak, like a great dynamic duo sort of thing :). It brought back some nostalgia, and wonderful moments that we all were very used to seeing. I hope if you do get to film more episodes, that you both will be signed to do it with the network, as I love seeing you both on screen :).

I agree with you on Basiago, and that he was not a good choice, but at the same time, I would put Hoagland and Wilcock somewhat in the same category. I loved the tribute for Gordon Novel and Brian O'Leary and I think you guys did an amazing job with that :). But on the other hand I have to commend you for putting people like Sean Carrol, Ron Nicks and of course, Dave. It added a lot more credibility to everything in my honest opinion. Although I'm surprised about the dramatic leave Sean made, which is a shame really. But I couldn't help but find it funny that he left after Kerry started pushing forward certain questions :D. I would have loved to see the reaction.

I hope you and Kerry stay careful now, as this is really entering the waters of the world of entertainment business, even though its "reality TV" with content that is supposed to get certain minds to think and question everyday life and everything they know. This world is a Hell on its own two feet and its merciless. Get a good agent for you and Kerry, and a few good lawyers, since chances are, you are going to need them at one point in time or another. I know how you both wanted to gain a larger audience of people who are interested in these topics, and from them, to gain more potential people who look on these matters from a very serious standpoint and would potentially join the already big enough followership. Now you have the stepping stone to do so.

Whether its through this or something else. What became of the plans for a feature movie? I remember Kerry being interested in something like that, and having a script for it etc. Is there any news on this? Do you still plan to do it? Maybe after gaining some "stardom" in this business, and connections, funding, etc.? I think it would be a great way to gain even bigger attention from people, and followership, since, many people that become "fans" of movies like this, start to research the background of the movie, and will probably run into you and Kerry actually having investigated such conspiracies in the past and present, and that the movies are based on more or less, real events that happened to certain real people (even if its sold as fiction). If this happens, try to get to a studio that its not unknown, or just starting out, even big production (as I'm not sure you would get that much funding), so something "middle-ground". I personally would suggest Starz Entertainment or Screen Gems studios, but that's just from the top of my head.

Also, if you do get a series contract with TruTV, let us know, maybe the Avalon forum can propose suggestion for the topics, or people to be featured in the episodes? I think it would give you a general feel of what some of the "audience" wants to see. I for one, would like to see some Ralph Ring material in future episodes, if at all possible :).

Bill, in conclusion, I wish you and Kerry all the best with this direction you have taken, and much, much success! :)

[Bill Ryan]

It brought back some nostalgia, and wonderful moments that we all were very used to seeing.

Enjoy ---->

:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt9g8sZ9zQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt9g8sZ9zQ

[swoods_blue]

Bill, you've now gotten quite a bit of feedback from the Avalon community on this pilot. How would you synthesize that information? If this project/series moved forward, how would you like to shape it? Does this feedback give you pause about choices like the dramatization at the military base? Just curious what you make of the comments. I though mostly, the community appreciates the difficulty of getting something like this off the ground.

[M6*]

I did! ;-) M6*

[trenairio]

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/GSxPTlJ1nOA/hqdefault.jpg

[Keltikmuse]

This raises so many questions and indeed answers so many as well.
Why are these missions kept quiet? Economical ? Or do they think we 'Joe public' cannot handle the truth? If the cross section of public who uses this forum are anything to go by then YES!!!! we can handle it and need it. If Mars is our future then I am absolutely positive it is out past and these are our ancestors. There is way to much evidence over the years to refute it.

[kaon]

I was finally able to watch the video. Very well done!
The expert testimony from reliable and recognizable sources really gave the video a lot of extra credibility and took some speculation out of the picture.

[ED209]

I wish that TruTV did not want to inject pretend hype. It cheapens everything and makes wayching stressful. That said, thank you so much for sharing. I enjoyed the show. All of the information was completely new to me. I especially liked the interview about the possibility of teleportation. I wish we could have seen more of Brain. He was very compelling. If TruTV does not give you a deal, maybe you can make it a crowd source funding project that would allow for complete aesthetic control. That would really awesome.