Residents of 15 (now 50) States have filed petitions to secede from the United States

[christian]

Interesting news found on examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1). Now I don't know what could come out of this, but the move in and of itself sounds good in my ears, even if it would be mostly symbolic. I mean does this really create factual pressure, is there a leverage with this?



As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.

States following this action include: Louisiana, Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York. These States have requested that the Obama Administration grant a peaceful withdrawal from the United States.

These petitions were filed just days after the 2012 Presidential election.

Louisiana was the first State to file a petition a day after the election by a Michael E. from Slidell, Louisiana. Texas was the next State to follow by a Micah H. from Arlington, Texas.

The government allows one month from the day the petition is submitted to obtain 25,000 signatures in order for the Obama administration to consider the request.

The Texas petition reads as follows:


The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.As of 12:46 am, Sunday, signatures obtained by Louisiana, 7,358; Texas, 3,771; Florida, 636; Georgia, 475; Alabama, 834; North Carolina, 792; Kentucky, 467; Mississippi, 475; Indiana, 449; North Dakota, 162; Montana, 440; Colorado, 324; Oregon, 328; New Jersey, 301 and New York, 169. Many more States are expected to follow.

A petition is not searchable at WhiteHouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov/) until 150 signatures have been obtained. It is the originator's responsibility to obtain these signatures.

The Texas petition can be reviewed and/or signed by clicking here (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B).

[shadowstalker]

I have heard this 5 times in the past 5 yrs. wow

[pyriel]

This will likely never happen without the federal government attacking these states in some form or another.

[write4change]

When I was in Texas in September touring small towns from Lubbuck to Whicita Falls to Texarkana, I listened to many old white man in local cafes talking about Gov. Perry would take Texas to succession if Obama was re elected. Their greatest fear was what to do with all the people who would come from other states to live in glorious free Texas.

My observations that being free to be yourself in small town Texas is very difficult.

[jagman]

It's funny how history has a way of repeating itself.

[Flash]

I can't believe some USA states would secede before Quebec would separate from Canada. This would be really quite ironic.

[Abhaya]

I have heard this 5 times in the past 5 yrs. wow

Interesting! Any one know if the petitions have reached the 25000 signatures before?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Speaking of Texas... link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html#slide=307303)


Peter Morrison, Texas GOP Official, Calls For 'Amicable Divorce' From 'Maggots' Who Voted For Obama...



looks like the padded cells institution better start a new wing... on the right... :lol:

[ThePythonicCow]

As of Saturday November 10, 2012, 15 States have petitioned the Obama Administration for withdrawal from the United States of America in order to create its own government.
Unless I misread this, it is quite misleading.

My take is that no state has made any such petition.

Rather a few hundred or thousand individuals from each of these states have signed petitions making such a request.

[T Smith]

It's funny how history has a way of repeating itself.

Or not so funny, depending on how you want to look at it...

[ThePythonicCow]

Unless I misread this, it is quite misleading.

My take is that no state has made any such petition.
The more I think about this one, the more certain I am that this report is misleading.

I just changed this thread's title from:



15 States including Texas have filed a petition to secede from the United States
to:



Residents of 15 States have filed petitions to secede from the United States
There was not a single petition, but one per state, and the petitions were not filed by the states, but by some people living in those various states.

If several states, the state governments themselves, filed a single petition to Washington to secede, that would be a far different issue.

[humanalien]

I think every state should build their own government
and then just quit paying uncle sam his tax money.

Without money, uncle sam would wither and die.

[Lifebringer]

Expect and Exodus of people leaving these states to protect their womb rights for birth control during menopause and for family planning. They will turn these states into the wild wild west, come 2020, and there will be "kangaroo courts" installed for the elite families to continue to control the population in poverty.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I think every state should build their own government
and then just quit paying uncle sam his tax money.

Without money, uncle sam would wither and die.

A plan was proposed several years ago to return power to the states. From what I remember, the states would collect the federal taxes and withhold the money from the federal government (or privately owned federal reserve) until the federal government relinquished all power removed from the states since the very beginning.

Does anyone remember this proposal? Any links?

[Maia Gabrial]

So glad Pennsylvania is a commonwealth.... I think Texas is the other one that didn't sign the Declaration of Independence and isn't actually a state either....

IMO taking the power away from the US corporation will be a good thing for Americans, but the planned system won't be. It's already been in the works because of how the country was divided into 10 postal divisions. From there, it was planned that each division will have its own boss. See? The criminals have had everything planned already....

Several years ago, I heard that it was 22 states that had petitions to secede from the union. I think that they went through the Hague to do this....

[GoodETxSG]

Careful people, this can be considered as "Denouncing your Citizenship" causing you to be unable to purchase firearms (See the new form) or other benefits. Think before you sign a petition... act w/your mind not your emotions... I live in TX and feel and hear the talk all around... within the Texas Army Guard even...
Like said above, this has been said and come up dozens of times the last decade... its just a show of frustration by the people. BUT... you get your a$$ on a list quickly... a shorter list than just being an active poster on sites like this... FYI.

[Maia Gabrial]

Aren't most of us on one of 2 lists already, Sgt? Red or blue? How can we be careful with a govt who considers all of us terrorists anyway? We don't even have to give them an excuse, do we? They've had these lists for awhile now....We, who open our mouths against this govt's corruptions are terrorists to THEM (even though it's our right to voice our complaints against them. For some reason this bothers these thin skinned criminals....)

Breaking up the union with this US corporation is going to happen, make no mistakes about it. But we have to make sure WE have complete say in what will replace it.

[christian]

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598983_4358712057342_331953948_n.jpg

This story is kind of bizarre, any way you slice it, still developing apparently.

[risveglio]

Expect and Exodus of people leaving these states to protect their womb rights for birth control during menopause and for family planning. They will turn these states into the wild wild west, come 2020, and there will be "kangaroo courts" installed for the elite families to continue to control the population in poverty.

The wild west wasn't really very wild, it was quite boring. ... The More You Know ...

[write4change]

On the political sites it is now being reported that Texas is over the 25,000 needed for official response and that Louisiana has over 10,000 and that is in less than 72 hours.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

On the political sites it is now being reported that Texas is over the 25,000 needed for official response and that Louisiana has over 10,000 and that is in less than 72 hours.

I seriously hope these fine 35.000 people will not be considered terrorists now they have voiced their opinion in writing or live close to railroadtracks next to some odd "family vacation facilities".

[Rocky_Shorz]

Last night, TheBlaze reported that residents of 27 states had filed petitions with the White House to be allowed to secede from the union. As of today, that number has swelled to 47.

But could it actually happen? Do states even have a right to secede anymore? The answer, according to arguably the most respected conservative Justice of the United States Supreme Court, is an unequivocal “no.”

Over at New York Personal Injury Attorney Blog, author Eric Turkewitz recounts an interesting story of how his brother, a screenwriter, managed to apparently coax an answer out of Scalia on precisely this topic:

Dan is a screenwriter (whose screenplay Tranquility Base was just named a finalist at the Vail Film Festival, and previously took top honors elsewhere). Back in 2006 he started working on a political farce that had Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada.[...]

So, on a lark, he wrote to each of the 10 Supreme Court justices (including O’Connor) with this request:

I’m a screenwriter in New York City, and am writing to see if you might be willing to assist me in a project that involves a unique constitutional issue. My latest screenplay is a comedy about Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada. There are parts of the story that deal with the legality of such an event and, of course, a big showdown in the Supreme Court is part of the story.

At the moment my story is a 12 page treatment. As an architect turned screenwriter, it is fair to say that I come up a bit short in the art of Supreme Court advocacy. If you could spare a few moments on a serious subject that is treated in a comedic way, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts. I’m sure you’ll find the story very entertaining.

I told Dan he was nuts. I told him his letter would be placed in the circular file. And then Scalia wrote back. Personally.

And what did Justice Scalia say? Pretty much that not only could Maine not secede (ironically enough, Maine is one of the three states that has no secession petition on the White House website), but the question is so firmly settled that it could not even get a hearing before the Supreme Court, because the United States government would refuse to entertain it:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.

An alleged photo of Scalia’s letter outlining this position follows, courtesy of Mr. Turkewitz’s blog... link (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-right-to-secede-see-the-letter-where-justice-scalia-shoots-down-idea-of-leaving-the-union/)

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Scalia-Turkewitz-Letter-763174-479x620.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

let's take Texas for an example...

only 1 million more votes for Romney than Obama

a handful of Teaparty Rebels can say whatever they want, but the state would need to hold a vote with a Majority of the 25,883,999 Texas citizens to even bring it forward.

only 7.9 million voted in the last election

the result of this attempt will be a total embarrassment to everyone involved...

but since they are all Teaparty members, it wouldn't hurt them any more than what they have done to themselves, so go for it...

on the bright side, it is good to see they are attempting to do it on paper instead of with guns...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Last night, TheBlaze reported that residents of 27 states had filed petitions with the White House to be allowed to secede from the union. As of today, that number has swelled to 47.

But could it actually happen? Do states even have a right to secede anymore? The answer, according to arguably the most respected conservative Justice of the United States Supreme Court, is an unequivocal “no.”

Over at New York Personal Injury Attorney Blog, author Eric Turkewitz recounts an interesting story of how his brother, a screenwriter, managed to apparently coax an answer out of Scalia on precisely this topic:

Dan is a screenwriter (whose screenplay Tranquility Base was just named a finalist at the Vail Film Festival, and previously took top honors elsewhere). Back in 2006 he started working on a political farce that had Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada.[...]

So, on a lark, he wrote to each of the 10 Supreme Court justices (including O’Connor) with this request:

I’m a screenwriter in New York City, and am writing to see if you might be willing to assist me in a project that involves a unique constitutional issue. My latest screenplay is a comedy about Maine seceding from the United States and joining Canada. There are parts of the story that deal with the legality of such an event and, of course, a big showdown in the Supreme Court is part of the story.

At the moment my story is a 12 page treatment. As an architect turned screenwriter, it is fair to say that I come up a bit short in the art of Supreme Court advocacy. If you could spare a few moments on a serious subject that is treated in a comedic way, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts. I’m sure you’ll find the story very entertaining.

I told Dan he was nuts. I told him his letter would be placed in the circular file. And then Scalia wrote back. Personally.

And what did Justice Scalia say? Pretty much that not only could Maine not secede (ironically enough, Maine is one of the three states that has no secession petition on the White House website), but the question is so firmly settled that it could not even get a hearing before the Supreme Court, because the United States government would refuse to entertain it:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.

An alleged photo of Scalia’s letter outlining this position follows, courtesy of Mr. Turkewitz’s blog... link (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-right-to-secede-see-the-letter-where-justice-scalia-shoots-down-idea-of-leaving-the-union/)

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Scalia-Turkewitz-Letter-763174-479x620.jpg

Thanx :-)

And thou shalleth be bumped up.

Could be a fun movie if produced btw, makes me think about the South Park episodes involving anything Canadian;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I love south park eh...

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL, the newest petition...


A White House petition (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf) gathering force calls for citizenship to be stripped and exile for anyone who signs a petition in favor of a state's secession.

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads.

The title of the petition is, "WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them."

As of this writing, 2,205 have signed the petition; 22,795 more signatures are needed for the issue to be addressed by the White House...

http://m.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/images/petition.preview.jpg

The Washington Times reports on the numerous petitions to secede on the White House's website:

It’s traditional for Americans to threaten to move to France or Canada when their candidate loses, but this year some disappointed voters are implementing a different plan.

In the wake of the Nov. 6 election, petitions seeking to secede from the union have been filed on behalf of 23 states on the White House website, https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions. Most of the petitions contain the same wording and ask to withdraw “peacefully” from the United States in order to form independent governments.

link (http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-petition-calls-stripping-citizenship-and-exile-anyone-who-signs-petition-secede_663282.html)

[DeDukshyn]

Careful people, this can be considered as "Denouncing your Citizenship" causing you to be unable to purchase firearms (See the new form) or other benefits. Think before you sign a petition... act w/your mind not your emotions... I live in TX and feel and hear the talk all around... within the Texas Army Guard even...
Like said above, this has been said and come up dozens of times the last decade... its just a show of frustration by the people. BUT... you get your a$$ on a list quickly... a shorter list than just being an active poster on sites like this... FYI.

So purchase all your firearms and ammo *first* ;)

[conk]

The number of states is up to 30 now. And like Paul said, it's not as it seems. Anyone can have their petition placed on the Fed's White House web page. Just get together some number of signatures to stop the practice of placing ladders on frozen cow pies and it'll be placed on the web site. Enough signatures for any subject and you're there. So, while this is encouraging that so many are discouraged by the acts of the Fed, this is so much about nothing.

[christian]

Now it's 34 states:


Infowars: Citizens from 34 States Petition the White House to Secede from the U.S. (http://www.infowars.com/citzens-from-34-states-petition-the-white-house-to-secede-from-the-u-s/)

Not everyone’s on board with the idea. One person put up a petition asking for signatures to support the deportation of everyone that signed the previous secession petitions. Another asked the U.S. to strip the citizenship of those who signed the petition and to “exile them.”

[...]

Seth Masket, a political science professor at the University of Denver, told the Washington Times that petitions of this nature won’t be taken seriously by the president or the administration and are little more than grandiose gestures illustrating the discontent of voters. “It’s hard to see this as anything other than sour grapes,” Mr. Masket told the Washington Times via e-mail. “These petitions have no legal power and no president would ever agree to them. It’s a way to register dissent with the way the majority of the country voted last week, but it’s little beyond that.”

The White House will still have to come up with some type of response for petitions that reached the 25,000 mark but they don’t give a specific time frame for when a response should be expected.

[eva08]

I really hope this will all settle peacefully

[Kiforall]

U.S need to be careful what they wish for.

If the New Madrid fault line cracks North America in half it could soon be a reality.

God help us all if we have two puppet presidents to deal with lol.

[Referee]

A few words on this from Dr. Ron Paul from Today!

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[christian]

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[ThePythonicCow]

Careful people
These petition drives could well have been started by agents of the bastards in power, as another convenient means of collecting names of potential trouble makers and as another means of "cloud seeding" dissension. They don't like hidden, potent opposition that is out of their control or monitoring, but they make good use of opposition that they are provoking and watching every step of the way.

[humanalien]

Yahoo is reporting that all fifty states have now
filed petitions.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html

[Referee]

AJ today

Demecrates are calling to deport anyone signing thiese petitions.

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[ThePythonicCow]

Yahoo is reporting that all fifty states have now
filed petitions.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html
I changed the thread title, adding the phrase "(now 50)".

[gripreaper]

Careful people
These petition drives could well have been started by agents of the bastards in power, as another convenient means of collecting names of potential trouble makers and as another means of "cloud seeding" dissension. They don't like hidden, potent opposition that is out of their control or monitoring, but they make good use of opposition that they are provoking and watching every step of the way.

Well America is falling apart, and there are more disgruntled people who want to restore the Republic, and sucede from what ? Corporatocracy? The bankrupt US trust? The hypoticated assets (which you are one) and the debt to the banksters? The slavery of the fascist system?

Hey, I've got an idea. Why not create a one world government(fascist of course), one world currency (fiat debt based of course) and a one world police force (mercenary, psychopathic, and ruthless of course)and a one world court(tribunals without due process based on Admiralty of course)!

That would certainly solve everything, and one day, the sheep will demand it.

Oh, and by the way, I don't like putting ladders on top of frozen cow pies. Do you realize how unstable that is?

[Referee]

Judge Andrew Nepalitono on Succession


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[Tangri]

AJ today

Demecrates are calling to deport anyone signing thiese petitions.

wF0e6_0_xVA

Alex Jones is losing his mental dignity. He is lost in his infowars.
He support the petitions because he thinks
Federal government's socialist politics helps the globalist to make The New World Order.
Over the years Capitalism is the globalist's way to establish and develop make the wealthiest more wealthier. Capitalism is the vampire over the population, which sucks interest as a blood. Lower income and middle income people just live in a survivor mode in that system, while corporatism creates smaller governing society.
Socialists did not attacked the Libya , Iraq, Afghanistan to make their people more equal. Capitalist did it, and did it for its own purpose, not for local people.
Those country now more vulnerable for its predators. They dismantled the rulers to implant their puppet ones.
Love and Hope

[Firinn]

Up Down, Left Right, Socialist Capitalist, Blah blah blah. Rise above this dualistic viewpoint, it's all part of the control system. I could go off on one but I won't, that would negate my message.

With love,
Firinn



AJ today

Demecrates are calling to deport anyone signing thiese petitions.

wF0e6_0_xVA

Alex Jones is losing his mental dignity. He is lost in his infowars.
He support the petitions because he thinks
Federal government's socialist politics helps the globalist to make The New World Order.
Over the years Capitalism is the globalist's way to establish and develop make the wealthiest more wealthier. Capitalism is the vampire over the population, which sucks interest as a blood. Lower income and middle income people just live in a survivor mode in that system, while corporatism creates smaller governing society.
Socialists did not attacked the Libya , Iraq, Afghanistan to make their people more equal. Capitalist did it, and did it for its own purpose, not for local people.
Those country now more vulnerable for its predators. They dismantled the rulers to implant their puppet ones.
Love and Hope

[risveglio]

AJ today

Demecrates are calling to deport anyone signing thiese petitions.

wF0e6_0_xVA

Alex Jones is losing his mental dignity. He is lost in his infowars.
He support the petitions because he thinks
Federal government's socialist politics helps the globalist to make The New World Order.
Over the years Capitalism is the globalist's way to establish and develop make the wealthiest more wealthier. Capitalism is the vampire over the population, which sucks interest as a blood. Lower income and middle income people just live in a survivor mode in that system, while corporatism creates smaller governing society.
Socialists did not attacked the Libya , Iraq, Afghanistan to make their people more equal. Capitalist did it, and did it for its own purpose, not for local people.
Those country now more vulnerable for its predators. They dismantled the rulers to implant their puppet ones.
Love and Hope

What Capitalist attacked Libya, Iraq, Afganistan? The US and UK are not Capitalist countries. Just because they claim to be does not make them Capitalist. Well over 60 million "Christians" voted in the US for a person to be President that admitted planning to break God's law. None of them are truly Christians.

[risveglio]

Secession: Obama Says Bring It

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[Tangri]

What Capitalist attacked Libya, Iraq, Afganistan? The US and UK are not Capitalist countries. Just because they claim to be does not make them Capitalist. Well over 60 million "Christians" voted in the US for a person to be President that admitted planning to break God's law. None of them are truly Christians.[/QUOTE]
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The period between the sixteenth and eighteenth centuries is commonly described as mercantilism.[36] This period, the Age of Discovery, was associated with geographic exploration being exploited by merchant overseas traders, especially from England and the Low Countries; the European colonization of the Americas; and the rapid growth in overseas trade. Mercantilism was a system of trade for profit
Although international trade has been associated with the development of capitalism for over five hundred years, some thinkers argue that a number of trends associated with globalization have acted to increase the mobility of people and capital since the last quarter of the 20th century, combining to circumscribe the room to maneuver of states in choosing non-capitalist models of development. Today, these trends have bolstered the argument that capitalism should now be viewed as a truly world system.[36] However, other thinkers argue that globalization, even in its quantitative degree, is no greater now than during earlier periods of capitalist trade.

In a capitalist system, the government does not prohibit private property or prevent individuals from working where they please. The government does not prevent firms from determining what wages they will pay and what prices they will charge for their products. Many countries, however, have minimum wage laws and minimum safety standards.

[Carmody]

To me, some story about 50 states seceding, is all about people not looking at themselves and not taking personal responsibility. Not taking responsibility for all that has come before, all that is, and all that will come. Denial. Self lies.

That's all I see here, with that as a statement or headline. Just that.

[christian]

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"It is the 15th day of November, 2012. I am Alex Jones your host. And I can undoubtedly, with butterflies in my stomach, which I never have, even speaking in front of thousands of people in a hall, I can unequivocally tell you that this is going to be the most important broadcast hands down that I have ever done. Now we have not been blindsided by the secession movement, but it’s almost like a bus that ran me over ten years ago, it’s old news to us. But the new news is that it’s now breaking nationwide and worldwide, and is a symbol and an indicator of the sleeping giant that is America awakening."

>> full transcript (http://www.infowars.com/transcript-alex-jones-secede-from-the-new-world-order/)

Full speech on video:

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Infowars: Why The States Must Secede To Save America (http://www.infowars.com/why-the-states-must-secede-to-save-america/)

The Excavator: The Globalist Federal Government Seceded From America (http://disquietreservations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-globalist-federal-government.html)

Steve Watson: Secession Proponents Do Not Want A Civil War; And No, They Cannot Be Stripped Of Their Firearms (http://www.infowars.com/secession-proponents-do-not-want-a-civil-war-and-no-they-cannot-be-stripped-of-their-firearms/)

[risveglio]

:rolleyes::eek:
The period between the sixteenth and eighteenth centuries is commonly described as mercantilism.[36] This period, the Age of Discovery, was associated with geographic exploration being exploited by merchant overseas traders, especially from England and the Low Countries; the European colonization of the Americas; and the rapid growth in overseas trade. Mercantilism was a system of trade for profit
Although international trade has been associated with the development of capitalism for over five hundred years, some thinkers argue that a number of trends associated with globalization have acted to increase the mobility of people and capital since the last quarter of the 20th century, combining to circumscribe the room to maneuver of states in choosing non-capitalist models of development. Today, these trends have bolstered the argument that capitalism should now be viewed as a truly world system.[36] However, other thinkers argue that globalization, even in its quantitative degree, is no greater now than during earlier periods of capitalist trade.

In a capitalist system, the government does not prohibit private property or prevent individuals from working where they please. The government does not prevent firms from determining what wages they will pay and what prices they will charge for their products. Many countries, however, have minimum wage laws and minimum safety standards.


Rolls eyes right back at you along with throwing up in my mouth a little.

I would prefer to live in a country that does not limit private property. The country I live in does and often takes private property claiming it is for the greater good and then the government sells it to the highest developer for a casino or a hotel. Woo Hoo, Fascism. Minimum wage laws have shown more often than not to hurt the poorest civilians the most. Actually, minimum wage laws were used in South Africa to further suppress the black worker and the unemployment rate among minority teens in the US has never dropped to the levels they were at before minimum wage laws. Please, Capitalism is not perfect but it is far better than Socialism. The US should actually try it and you would see how many problems would disappear.

[9eagle9]

Oh here look at this. String that very viable and strongly possible timeline of secession out , let it collide with your remarks and we see this....2040 (or thereabouts) ...

The waterfront and wharves of NY is well behind an ongoing conflict, as its Islands attempts to secede from the NY the entity, Washington and Oregon are at War and North California has just invaded South California in a face off that is strangely reminiscent of the North - South Korean conflict.






To me, some story about 50 states seceding, is all about people not looking at themselves and not taking personal responsibility. Not taking responsibility for all that has come before, all that is, and all that will come. Denial. Self lies.

That's all I see here, with that as a statement or headline. Just that.

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Yeah that's what George W said.


Secession: Obama Says Bring It

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[christian]

Ron Paul: Secession - Are We Free To Go? (http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2029:secession-are-we-free-to-go&catid=64:2012-texas-straight-talk&Itemid=69)



Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election, or perhaps something deeper? Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures. Texas has well over the number of signatures needed to generate a response from the administration, and while I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union.

Is it treasonous to want to secede from the United States? Many think the question of secession was settled by our Civil War. On the contrary; the principles of self-governance and voluntary association are at the core of our founding. Clearly Thomas Jefferson believed secession was proper, albeit as a last resort. Writing to William Giles in 1825, he concluded that states:

“should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers.”

Keep in mind that the first and third paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence expressly contemplate the dissolution of a political union when the underlying government becomes tyrannical.

Do we have a “government without limitation of powers” yet? The Federal government kept the Union together through violence and force in the Civil War, but did might really make right?

Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those “traitors” became our country’s greatest patriots.

There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents. That is what our Revolutionary War was all about and today our own federal government is vastly overstepping its constitutional bounds with no signs of reform. In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo. If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.

Consider the ballot measures that passed in Colorado and Washington state regarding marijuana laws. The people in those states have clearly indicated that they are ready to try something different where drug policy is concerned, yet they will still face a tremendous threat from the federal government. In California, the Feds have been arresting peaceful medical marijuana users and raiding dispensaries that state and local governments have sanctioned. This shouldn’t happen in a free country.

It remains to be seen what will happen in states that are refusing to comply with the deeply unpopular mandates of Obamacare by not setting up healthcare exchanges. It appears the Federal government will not respect those decisions either.

In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?

If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government, they cannot truly be considered free.

[spiritguide]

The issue is simple if ya want to run then go for it, if you want a better government then make it so. Kerry's article yesterday adressed the issue on her blog or at least raised good points to ponder. Mature people that are not psychotic would rather make institutions better than bring on another one that is more harmful. Be careful of what you wish for! IMHO

[risveglio]

The issue is simple if ya want to run then go for it, if you want a better government then make it so. Kerry's article yesterday adressed the issue on her blog or at least raised good points to ponder. Mature people that are not psychotic would rather make institutions better than bring on another one that is more harmful. Be careful of what you wish for! IMHO

What if you believe it is not possible to have a "better government"? What if you believe that government is inherently evil but no longer a necessary evil?