How to help friend with cancer explore alternative therapies?

[Craig]

Hi,

I believe this is my first ever original post, normally I am in other sections of the forum but I have just found out that on old friend's wife has been diagnosed with cancer.

I would like to offer some help or alternative suggestions on possible areas of treatment, normally he isn't on the alternative scene, so I would like some advice on how I can broach this with him. It is a sensitive time and I don't want to appear to be lessening it if that makes sense, I believe it is too important not to offer any support and try offer help.

Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks for your time

Cheers

Craig

PS Title changed to reflect specifically what I am after :thumb:

[TelosianEmbrace]

What sort of cancer, Craig?

On skin cancer and other cancers that are on or near the surface I would recommend you look into black salve/ cansema. We have a very informative thread on it here on PA.

A simple suggestion that you know of some alternative cures would help, then he will either take you up on it, or not. Often if a person says no the first time, they will say no forever, and the challenge may not be to cure them, but to respect their free will. For me, respecting the free will of another is more important than keeping them alive.

[Craig]

My apologies, forgot to mention, it is lung cancer, she doesn't drink or smoke and is a healthy person normally, I think this has been confusing as well.

[BrianEn]

Just try to treat her normal as best as you can.

[sirdipswitch]

There are tons of cancer cures listed on the net. Just do a "cure cancer" search on google and you will be able read about how to cure cancer with oxygen, hydrogen-peroxide, lemons, (yep, lemons) and many others. Look for anything under Natural, and "Nothing" under any sort of mainstream medicine. Just keep going back through the pages of websites that come up.

Here's a link for the lemons, that you may find interesting. I did.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/lemons.asp


I have afriend that had thyroid cancer. They gave her two pills, and then we took off truckin, (yep, she's a driver also) and every day, she was eating about 4-6 lemons/day, for the next two years that we were truckin. She has never tested positive for cancer since, and that was more than 17 years ago. hmm.

You have a computer. Use it. You can research on Google, or Youtube, and find tons of cures, for anything. That's how I cured myself, of both Diabeties, and prostate cancer.

But, I lost my sister-inlaw to cancer. She was Head Nurse, in a doctors office for many years. She was, establishment, and would not even listen to anything about Natural Medicine. She was a big woman, her entire life. 5' 9", 160-180 pounds, but when she died... she weighed, 40 pounds. Her good doctor friends kept her goin for a long time. It is posible to cure anything, but sometimes no matter how hard we try to help someone, they just will not listen to anything but establishment. It's tough to swallow, but, at least you are among friends here, that will offer all the help and healling energy, to both you and your friends, that we are able to send. Perhaps someone will come up with a cure, that your friends will take heed to and listen to you.

Best wishes to you and your friends.

[T Smith]

This can be very tricky, depending on your friends' worldview. If she is open to alternative treatments and life-style changes, there in no reason to believe she can't fully heal her body. If she is scared and willing to abdicate to the cancer industry and eager to embrace the protocols of the NCI in the exchange for a shot to get better, or perhaps for the hope she might fall in the range of the survivor statistic after treatment, whatever that may be in the case of your particular friend, you are in a very difficult position to offer any advice to her. I have seen cancer patients embrace the cancer industry like a religion and behold their oncologists as Gods, especially when their cancer is not advanced and the various treatments available offer a high rate of success (but invariably at a huge, drawn-out cost and reduced quality of life). Ironically, it is only when the cancer industry can offer little or no hope at all, when patients have "nothing to lose", when they are more willing to embrace alternative treatments and protocols.

I suggest you educate yourself first with the following:

World Without Cancer, by G. Edward Griffin
Healing the Gerson Way, by Charlotte Gerson

And the following documentaries:

The Beautiful Truth
Burzynski

Once you have a better idea of what you are dealing with you will know what to do...

[Mike]

boy, tough one. i sympathize with your plight here, my friend.

there have been a few threads like this on Avalon. all these situations are different and vary according to different variables like: how receptive is she to "alternative" ideas?; how much does she trust you and your knowledge?; has she tried and exhausted all other "traditional" methods"? etc

it *is* too important a time to remain on the sidelines. i've been in similar situations, and what i've said to the patient is something like this: 'i don't wish to confuse or stress you, but may i share with you my views on your condition and what may be done naturally to heal it?' if they seem receptive i continue. if not, i leave them alone ( a couple times i left information behind...hoping they might take a peek. i was working in a hospital at the time)

truthfully, i've always felt vaguely like the door to door 'born agains' when i've done this, and some of the looks i've received have done nothing to alleviate my self-consciousness; but i've always reasoned that i'd feel a lot worse had i said nothing.

best of luck to you Craig!

[RunningDeer]

Don't know why my link didn't turn blue, so it would work. hmm.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/lemons.asp

This is what's missing on the end - [ /URL] (but without the space in between, like this - [/)
You only had ] (see your post above to compare.)

How to create the link: go to menu, the first globe, when you roll your mouse over it the name pops up, "insert link".

Peace,
Paula

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[ Mod-edit: I had already fixed the link in question, before reading Paula's post, which is why the context for this post is now missing. - Paul. ]

[sirdipswitch]

Thanks a bunch Paula. Preciate it muchly. cc.

Sorry for the interuption, Craig. I'll be quiet now.

[Craig]

Thanks for all your advice, since posting I have had a chance to reflect and read, it was such a big shock. I wont push but offer and be there for support if required.

Cheers

Craig

PS I know where I can turn to for extra support and advice, thanks guys

[Carpathian]

Craig,

I don't have anything to add that others haven't already said, but I did want to give you and your friend good thoughts, my prayers, and best wishes for the future. It's been over twenty years since I was diagnosed with bone cancer, so I know it's possible to beat it and live a happy, productive life. :-)

Take care,

Carp

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thanks for all your advice, since posting I have had a chance to reflect and read, it was such a big shock. I wont push but offer and be there for support if required.

Cheers

Craig

PS I know where I can turn to for extra support and advice, thanks guys


What is her mental and emotional condition? Is she strong of mind or other?

Its important at the first knowledge of an ailment to try and remain neutral mentally. I know its a big ask but the calmer she is without projecting negative results the better.

Positive enviroment really helps. Choose a good doctor to speak to. One with optimistic outlooks.

Try having apricot kernels in her diet. 10 a day withbreakfast. Change diet to raw vegetables.

Did she have a trauma in her past to do woth a close relative? This seems to me to be a heart block, ie heart chakra. Hmm

Let me know, you can pm me if you like

Cheers

N

[WhiteFeather]

Craig IMo.....I'd start right here....http://gerson.org/gerpress/contact-us/

[Arrowwind]

This is a story of pretty severe lung cancer cured twice. It is a verified true cancer cure with ozone therapy. I have no doublt that this is what I would be doing. With it I would add IV injections of ozone gas, but thats just me, because I have the access to do it myself.

http://www.healthsalon.org/58/cancer-cured-twice-with-ozone-therapy/

[conk]

If they take no other advice let them embrace this: NO SUGAR! Cancer feeds on sugar. Cancer loves acid. That's why the baking soda/maple syrup remedy is often sucessful. Google it. Extremely easy, with zero risks.

The syrup/baking soda is a trojan horse of sorts. The cancer cells see the sugar and gobbles it up, not realizing that the baking soda will drastically alter the pH of the cancer cell and kill it. It does seem to work quite often.

This should be the only sugar ingested. Even foods that act like sugar. Flour, wheat, grains, potatoes, starches are to be strictly avoided.

Dr. Johanna Budwig's flax seed and cottage cheese remedy is well respected.

AVOID CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE and all their methods. If you do chose to go that route, at least insist that the doctors utilize insulin potentiation therapy. Insulin is introduced along with the chemo, allowing far lesser amounts of chemo to be used.

[DNA]

Your subject line should reflect what you are asking for specifically. You would have more success. Best of luck for your friends wife

[DeDukshyn]

Here is a re-post of mine from another thread ...



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Not sure I mentioned this already, but if you can afford it, check out the health supplement called AHCC - I attribute my Dad's 8 good (and counting) years living with lung cancer in both lungs to this supplement, as chemo or radiation are not even options for him. It is expensive unfortunately, but if it can be afforded, I think it is worth taking.

Besides from being able to help treat certain types of cancers, AHCC is most notably helpful in keeping people in good shape during chemo treatments (helps with nausea, malnutrition, hair loss, etc) - which frankly can almost kill people - depending on the type and strength of the chemo. therapy.

It will be available online and in health supplement stores.

Here is some extra info:
http://www.aor.ca/assets/Research/pdf/AHCC_Clinical_Evidence_eMail.pdf

http://www.aor.ca/assets/Research/pdf/poster-healthy-living.pdf

http://www.aor.ca/assets/Research/pdf/Advances_9_April_2006_Active_Hexose_Correlated_Compound.pdf

Prayers and Blessings.

[Craig]

I was moved by the extra replies this morning, thanks so much guys. I am going to put together a little info pack based on the replies and show them, nice and casual like as an alternative approach. Strangely enough last night my wife went strange when she found out about the news and went all must follow the Dr's advice, like a fall back mechanism when she got overloaded. Just when i thought she was starting to see things differently, oh well.

But thanks again for all your help and advice

Cheers

Craig

[Jules]

Craig IMo.....I'd start right here....http://gerson.org/gerpress/contact-us/

I would have suggested the same thing, Whitefeather, Gerson treatment. If I were diagnosed, this would be my choice, but everyone needs to make a personal decision for their recovery, so I would not want to interfere with that. I would also consider taking a supplement called Seanol (Ecklonia Cava). This has a higher anti-oxidant than any land plant. In addition, I would recommend prayer and meditation. I believe in prayer from others for people suffering from infirmities. Due to medical studies, this also has a proven positive effect toward patient wellness, although they had no explanation. After recovering, per Edgar Cayce, eating one almond a day is helpful in prevention of cancer. My step-mom who had cancer swears by Edgar Cayce's suggestions.

[Jules]

I was moved by the extra replies this morning, thanks so much guys. I am going to put together a little info pack based on the replies and show them, nice and casual like as an alternative approach. Strangely enough last night my wife went strange when she found out about the news and went all must follow the Dr's advice, like a fall back mechanism when she got overloaded. Just when i thought she was starting to see things differently, oh well.

But thanks again for all your help and advice

Cheers

Craig

Craig: I know people trust doctors a lot, but when it comes to health, people have to take responsibility for their own health. I was having female problems and pain, and all the doctor told me was, you are getting older and it is expected that you will have pain (I was about 30). I decided that wasn't good enough for me, and I took a supplement with herbs specifically for female issues. After a week, I noticed a big difference, and realized it is my decision ultimately to ensure I am healthy, through research, diet, and supplements. I am the one to do take care of my health. Sometimes a doctor helps, but not always. Look at all options and make a critical thinking decision, this is only my opinion from my experience.

[Spiral]

Hi Craig, there are some fantastic responses on here, like Jules above, what was really important there was taking control for ones self, its a really big step.

The lungs are very much associated with the heart, and not surprisingly love & connections to the world, being out of balance with the cosmos at the fundamental level of love is about as bad as it can get, love is way more than an emotion, its the balanced conscious energy that makes all things grow & thrive, heal & bond.

I* can do remote healing if it is in accordance with her higher self & karma, (well a bit more than healing as most understand it more of a "re-aligning"), however I need at least a first name & rough location or photo (PM me if you don't want to post it )


* Its some thing that works through me, I haven't been on here for a while so maybe reading this thread is providence ?

[conk]

In my heart I find the following to be irrefutably true: The human body is designed to heal itself. Toxins, mal-nutrition, and/or energy issues (blocked, mis-aligned, inherited frequencies, parasitic entities) prevent the healing. Conventional medicine has near zero interest in healing.

[Craig]

In my heart I find the following to be irrefutably true: The human body is designed to heal itself. Toxins, mal-nutrition, and/or energy issues (blocked, mis-aligned, inherited frequencies, parasitic entities) prevent the healing. Conventional medicine has near zero interest in healing.

I think you are correct there conk, although admittedly I don't know enough to present a valid case when I have mentioned this to people mostly older ones I get a lot of derision over it, especially when I say that western medicine doesn't want to heal or they wont make any money.

[M6*]

Hi Craig,
I grew up in Edgar Cayce territory and I seem to resonate with his teachings. I have used Castor Oil therapy for my own ailments
for many years now. Take in as much information as you can, then see what really "speaks" to you and do the best you can with the
situation as it is. Best to you. I will send Prayers for Energy, Comfort, and Healing. M6*

[T Smith]

In my heart I find the following to be irrefutably true: The human body is designed to heal itself. Toxins, mal-nutrition, and/or energy issues (blocked, mis-aligned, inherited frequencies, parasitic entities) prevent the healing. Conventional medicine has near zero interest in healing.

I think you are correct there conk, although admittedly I don't know enough to present a valid case when I have mentioned this to people mostly older ones I get a lot of derision over it, especially when I say that western medicine doesn't want to heal or they wont make any money.

Hi Craig, World Without Cancer documents the deceit thoroughly. Alternative treatments (I actually don't like using the term "alternative" because it implies something inferior) but rather, "forbidden" treatments that reverse and even cure cancerous tumors are well researched. They just aren't well publicized. To give you a skinny from the book, a top researcher at Sloan Kettering, who discovered one such treatment, was silenced in the 70s by his superiors... This book documents the facts. He was considered one of the top researchers in the world, albeit perhaps a little naive at believing he was actually searching for a cure.

In other words (to the elders who might hold you in derision), this isn't a matter of speculation or faith. It's a matter living in the World According to the High Priests of Western Medicine. If you want an analogy, imagine living in the World according to the High Priests of the Dark Ages. The world was flat then, as well.

[Carolin]

Be there for your friend, it's hard being the caregiver. One of my best friends is going through it with her husband for the second time. They have been bombarded with well meaning advice. Respect their decisions and make yourself available for moral support. I asked permission to send information but still try not to overwhelm them. The latest I've heard about is asparagus and soursop.

[modwiz]

Cancer wants you too look deep inside yourself. So much that attends the diagnosis distracts from this purpose of it showing up in many cases. Living in Fukushima or Chernobyl is another situation and not to be confused with the personal instances.

That will be my contribution to this discussion other than hoping that the friend of the OP finds healing.