Message for seasoned researchers and enthusiasts

[Agape]

In this chapter of the Ancient Alien series called The Time Travellers ...

LFCKNsuh3yo


now, the message is for those of you who have watched all series 2 times minimally , I suggest 4 times would be better and gave it all a lots of thought ,
crossed many ( other, different ) borders between people and worlds ...

and so on.


Otherwise, call it an experiment , 45 to 90 minutes required .


At 42 minute, click on play backward pointer . Follow the content in backward succession

The subject is 'time-travel' , create your own 'time-warp .


For newbies : Don't freak out after 3 minutes, you will get accustomed to it . However, if you can not digest the energy/information, don't blame 'aliens' for your hiccups ;)


Legend : We are ETs living human experience ( except for George Tsoukalos, he is Greek ;))



We're at out post . Regards :alien: :alien: :hug:

[Snookie]

Very nice watching that commercial free! Thanks

[WanderingRogue]

I love love love the Ancient Aliens Series! I love the twists and turns and novel ideas presented. I have watched the whole series several times over, I own all available episodes, and I still catch the reruns when I can. I also enjoy the mental exercise required to throw out everything I've learned from other sources and try to really accept the theories presented as fact. Seeing our universe from an alternate perspective is extremely enjoyable. However, you can really only benefit from each new perspective when you examine it fully and then compare it to other ideas and theories out there. So, for those of you who are up to it, check out the opposing views too. I know this has been posted to Avalon before, but can't help but post it again in conjunction with the above posted video. Somewhere in between these and many other differing ideas is the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

[WhiteFeather]

Great Episode Indeed.....Love your humor Sis, and seeing your presence on Avalon. You simply warm this place up when you stop by.....Much Love. ;)

[Agape]

Actually, it's very serious .


But , we can't right steal their copy rights else it could be sold as iWarp.


No I really can not find anyone serious enough to talk to these days :(



LOVE LOVE LOVE

[deridan]

interesting, ...annunaki ant people.
tieing greys in at end too broad,
hey, the bell landed in the state with the highest court in america,

questions of how you would effect time travel with these things. atleast a beginning ___well

[Old Snake]

HI , Agape

What do you think about this:

OUR dna is programmed to "see forward time" and this on a wave with Freq. X

Wich boils down to one moment we are,one moment we are not.

By the way ,what are you undertaking with x mass?
We live in the Netherlands and good company is always welcome, well Pm us

And yes..................

Old Snake , and honored to have this name

Be well.

[Agape]

Predictable future, x mass and v velocity , summa of information organising itself in patterns trying to mirror its originator,
as we are but a biological pattern in face of the greater cosmic intelligence of Life .

I'm still in Dharamsala India and the Gods of Old , maybe they know maybe don't ..

Can do whatever with $300 ;) Truly, I have a day , hurt by all their little brains and no idea what am I standing for .
Their stupid talks on whether I look good enough and how I can make it when they treat me as kid at the same time,
thinking that I'm fake as they are.

There are things that can no way be mentioned on public forum . The tragedy of it is that all who were involved with me since start took a back step to their 'human experience' sooner or later , call it 'nature' .

And cunningly enough, they are ashamed of that and better won't tell anything to anyone ..

Sure there are authorities elsewhere who would help if even one human with brain would be at hand to understand and help with the situation and report things correctly .

But they all prefer their safe world where nothing extra ordinary goes on and will sacrifice individual to their own mean ends .

I am thousand miles away from them all so feeling bit safer but totally alone to everything .

Barry is ill and collapsed with nerves since I left Prague .

Others I know but they don't understand the circumstances .


They wanted me to go to Bodhgaya, I mean, unless I was home here I'd never go for trip like that . I will keep going till it's the end of my day and way ...
i am exhausted and no matter what i know there's no place or people to proceed it.

I have friends who think about books and movies rather than saving lives and data.

If they think i am sic-fi creature they don't belong to this all.

They will better get rid of me and pretend nothing has ever happened , to have clean hands, they think..


Can keep reading how people are saved when it's possible. It obviously does not concerns ET me because I do not exist for them and because the circumstances are complicated beyond their understanding.

I can't say who and what's all behind but I can't be on mission alone like this


:cantina:

[deridan]

i hear you, the meat suit seems to have needs, and incarnating here seems to have it as a program demand (some soul outputs only come once one has made 'small' interchanges with other souls).

lol at there 3rd-personatedness for group demands, perhaps making them more unconsciously willing to show up this and that one as 'kids' (as one they must drop hints to, in achieving a path. lol cause i've seen it for myself, even if others are younger, it must be a group experience many of us must experience {we may get more or less disgusted if we knew how long it has been going on. we need our own demi-god/guardian, a thor, to hammer the system into better accommodating what it has demanded}, ..for me, a local reason, is cause some could have been regarded as 'straightly' [though narrowly] fostered for the situation, and then there is i, a mass of unformulated potentials).

perhaps in the more hyper area from which our souls came, we were used to doing our thing,
and having others factor about, as specifically as we go to our area, these to theirs.
but society... differing from the ideal, has set up there fake areas and places, transient concerns about this and that, clicks where people have before-hand determined the dominances. it seems always as-if what even the demagoguery refers to as lowers {separating ideal from 'our make-shift'} have all there soul demands.
know why i don't want to reincarnate here again, well, to have all of those soul demands,
through which healers would think that one would have been less damaged,
yet i would not want to,.....having any one of my intrinsics[spiritual] any lower, or random,...would disgust me.

[Agape]

When i go down to town I have to take picture of this old baba ( father ), originally from New York ,
he looks too like an old ET , being from fairy tale, with white beard ..very frail though and he has Parkinsons in advanced stage,
serious neuralgic impairment that is. He keeps standing there sometimes at shop, just to be among people and trying to walk few steps on his own.
He has to fed, dressed, helped to make moves with hands and feet .

His mind is still very sharp and knowing and he can talk in low voice. He's been travelling for about 40 years and of course, does not want to go back to the US, and does not want to take chemical drugs .
He's trying some Indian and Tibetan herbal medicines, those work but very slowly and he should not stay here in this cold.


Barry too is like that and couple of people I know about who had contact experience or are of other than than human origin.

In mild stages people describe it as Chronical Fatigue Syndrom , in advanced stages they end up paralyzed .

Western medicine can't obviously discern what is what, causes and consequencies .


I have slow connection so uploading pictures to photobucket takes time .

[Agape]

i hear you, the meat suit seems to have needs, and incarnating here seems to have it as a program demand (some soul outputs only come once one has made 'small' interchanges with other souls).

lol at there 3rd-personatedness for group demands, perhaps making them more unconsciously willing to show up this and that one as 'kids' (as one they must drop hints to, in achieving a path. lol cause i've seen it for myself, even if others are younger, it must be a group experience many of us must experience {we may get more or less disgusted if we knew how long it has been going on. we need our own demi-god/guardian, a thor, to hammer the system into better accommodating what it has demanded}, ..for me, a local reason, is cause some could have been regarded as 'straightly' [though narrowly] fostered for the situation, and then there is i, a mass of unformulated potentials).

perhaps in the more hyper area from which our souls came, we were used to doing our thing,
and having others factor about, as specifically as we go to our area, these to theirs.
but society... differing from the ideal, has set up there fake areas and places, transient concerns about this and that, clicks where people have before-hand determined the dominances. it seems always as-if what even the demagoguery refers to as lowers {separating ideal from 'our make-shift'} have all there soul demands.
know why i don't want to reincarnate here again, well, to have all of those soul demands,
through which healers would think that one would have been less damaged,
yet i would not want to,.....having any one of my intrinsics[spiritual] any lower, or random,...would disgust me.



It's not even that complicated . We all have much to give and do for others but if they are so self centred, like little kids, not able to think big ,
and when they see ailing youngster they won't give him/her hand unless the system makes it easy,
so they make it politics and fight with the system and forget the individual.


I'll be probably on rant till the end .. :panda:


It's all about little brains and unwillingness to do more than you feel comfy with and we all have been in such situations ,
it's not about the lack of means ..

[Observer1964]

In this chapter of the Ancient Alien series called The Time Travellers ...

Another explanation is given in the 2nd book (http://www.theory-of-god.com/book2ch1.html) of the Iarga Contact. (http://www.theory-of-god.com/ufo-contact%20from%20planet%20Iarga.htm) A contact case that really seems to give some answers to why Aliens dont make official contact yet.


A fantastic world of the Gods.
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The gods who came to Earth had thus an invulnerable body, impervious to heat or cold, they had no need to eat or drink, and they knew no sickness or death. Nevertheless, they enjoyed all the pleasures of fine food and drink, lived in great castles in refined luxury, and travelled in fantastic conveyances to all the corners of the Earth. They had wonderful creative powers and talents, but their understanding was obscured, although this did not prevent them doing everything that their powers enabled them. They acted more or less as humans, and did the things that we would have done if we had had the same chance. They enjoyed life to the full, and in the beginning this also was just a game, carefree, as children, but this soon changed. The gods began to express themselves in terms of love and hate, and this people with dominant and aggressive characters became less peaceful.

Acts of revenge changed into complete battles which were fought with highly advanced weapons; according to the Sumer­ians, arrows clove the heavens on jets of fire and caused explo­sions that changed sand into glass (atomic rockets). Next to this there were monsters with deadly (radioactive) breath which make us think of laser weapons. They had ball and discus formed anti-gravity aircraft, and time transforming techniques that enabled them to travel through time, even into our time. This is why some UFO'S are simply anti-gravity machines that do not come from space, but from Earth, and are manned by the gods of the past who come to look at their descendants. Time is also a creation that leaves the Nothing intact; it is the not really existing, so for beings that possess the power of mind over matter it is capable of boundless manipulation. They were really existing gods, first generation consciousness, and through this, living spirit.

http://www.theory-of-god.com/book2ch4.html

[Agape]

It's timewave X and timewave Y. X is married to Y.

Timewave X is Expiring ..in million years long projection
while Y keeps asking WHY and facing X , striving to stop the process .

Thus way, Y is trying to find the original X
to stop the cause of its destruction

depending on who is stronger, they either survive or not.


As you can probably sense, X and Y are about survival of human race ..

[Agape]

In this chapter of the Ancient Alien series called The Time Travellers ...

Another explanation is given in the 2nd book (http://www.theory-of-god.com/book2ch1.html) of the Iarga Contact. (http://www.theory-of-god.com/ufo-contact%20from%20planet%20Iarga.htm) A contact case that really seems to give some answers to why Aliens dont make official contact yet.


A fantastic world of the Gods.
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The gods who came to Earth had thus an invulnerable body, impervious to heat or cold, they had no need to eat or drink, and they knew no sickness or death. Nevertheless, they enjoyed all the pleasures of fine food and drink, lived in great castles in refined luxury, and travelled in fantastic conveyances to all the corners of the Earth. They had wonderful creative powers and talents, but their understanding was obscured, although this did not prevent them doing everything that their powers enabled them. They acted more or less as humans, and did the things that we would have done if we had had the same chance. They enjoyed life to the full, and in the beginning this also was just a game, carefree, as children, but this soon changed. The gods began to express themselves in terms of love and hate, and this people with dominant and aggressive characters became less peaceful.

Acts of revenge changed into complete battles which were fought with highly advanced weapons; according to the Sumer­ians, arrows clove the heavens on jets of fire and caused explo­sions that changed sand into glass (atomic rockets). Next to this there were monsters with deadly (radioactive) breath which make us think of laser weapons. They had ball and discus formed anti-gravity aircraft, and time transforming techniques that enabled them to travel through time, even into our time. This is why some UFO'S are simply anti-gravity machines that do not come from space, but from Earth, and are manned by the gods of the past who come to look at their descendants. Time is also a creation that leaves the Nothing intact; it is the not really existing, so for beings that possess the power of mind over matter it is capable of boundless manipulation. They were really existing gods, first generation consciousness, and through this, living spirit.

http://www.theory-of-god.com/book2ch4.html




It's much more complicated than that . You have to understand that any Space visitor from afar in the Universe will also appear to be Time away from the Bubble of your Local Time-Space.

Talk about time being illusion is utterly useless here because the explanation can be found in the general theory of relativity if extended and applied to star systems within the Universe ,

I'm not sure how to explain the point better to you but matter is energy,

sparkles of Light that have spin and power , the power of their original Star and its qualities may differ in billions of years of evolution.


We can talk of time-space distortions, time-space anomalies, alternative time space fields but not about time travel .

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[Hughe]

Time is not a physical entity what Eisenstein thought of.

My study of time landed me time is by product of consciousness. Consciousness creates time, which is subtle yet powerful form of energy that influence matters in space. When human goes to altered state of mind, flow of time can be changed or measured differently. Some of advanced ET races utilize the power of consciousness to manipulate time and space for faster than light travel. If you are really interest in, check Coevolution written by Alec Newald. I recommend 2nd edition which has updated information.

I'm pretty sure black sciences under secret programs figured out many years ago how to manipulate time systematically. They contemplated, studied, and spent unlimited resources. How far they went out? One brilliant scientist discovered mathematical representation of consciousness few decades ago. His theory was not in public domain.

Mind is over body indeed.

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When i go down to town I have to take picture of this old baba ( father ), originally from New York ,
he looks too like an old ET , being from fairy tale, with white beard ..very frail though and he has Parkinsons in advanced stage,
serious neuralgic impairment that is. He keeps standing there sometimes at shop, just to be among people and trying to walk few steps on his own.
He has to fed, dressed, helped to make moves with hands and feet .

His mind is still very sharp and knowing and he can talk in low voice. He's been travelling for about 40 years and of course, does not want to go back to the US, and does not want to take chemical drugs .
He's trying some Indian and Tibetan herbal medicines, those work but very slowly and he should not stay here in this cold.


Barry too is like that and couple of people I know about who had contact experience or are of other than than human origin.

In mild stages people describe it as Chronical Fatigue Syndrom , in advanced stages they end up paralyzed .

Western medicine can't obviously discern what is what, causes and consequencies .


I have slow connection so uploading pictures to photobucket takes time .

This reminds me of a periode working as a personal assistant
to an ALS patient ( in USA, the Lou Gehrig syndrome )

some info sources :
http://kidshealth.org/kid/grownup/conditions/als.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Gehrig

There is credible speculation that storage of
metals and heavy metals in the body and brain
could be an attributing cause for illnesses like ALS.

Some known herbal cures can relieve the body
and refresh it from metal overload.
( Coriander is also mentioned in that regard )

19440

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander

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All well, Eva .
And all .

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[Observer1964]

According to dutch Astronaut and Prof. W. Ockels time is created by ourself as a respons to gravity.
Gravity is like acceleration . 1G is equivalent to acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h in 3.5 secs but we dont experience acceleration but a standing still. so no km/h, what remains is time. so time is a response of our brain to a lack of movement that it does experience from the force of gravity.

eaV-GeAPSlE
http://www.tedxamsterdam.com/2009/video-wubbo-ockels-on-time-and-gravity/
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52446-VIDEO-Wubbo-Ockels-on-time-and-gravity&p=589423#post589423

[Agape]

According to dutch Astronaut and Prof. W. Ockels time is created by ourself as a respons to gravity.
Gravity is like acceleration . 1G is equivalent to acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h in 3.5 secs but we dont experience acceleration but a standing still. so no km/h, what remains is time. so time is a response of our brain to a lack of movement that it does experience from the force of gravity.

eaV-GeAPSlE
http://www.tedxamsterdam.com/2009/video-wubbo-ockels-on-time-and-gravity/
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52446-VIDEO-Wubbo-Ockels-on-time-and-gravity&p=589423#post589423





It's really surprising to me how many people still consider time being some sort of mysterious entity or non existent factor ( aka watches were created by humans ) and we don't need time to exist and blah blah blah .
On the other hand I'm sure there's handful of people who can explain what time is in precise physical terms better than I do..

n'the'less it's really simple :



Imagine holding little globe on axe in your hands like the one they use in schools to teach geography and keep turning it slowly around .

Imagine there are some little 'globalians' inhabiting the globe at the same time.

Now each time you turn the globe around they experience day and night, hypothetically , to put them to right perspective ;)

From physical point of view..you need to apply energy to induce certain spin/turning velocity of your globe,
in planets case and also Stars case, the velocity and spin were induced at their so called 'creation' ,
depending on their mass at time of separation from larger mass or nucleus of exploding energy giving birth to new Stars.

It takes billions or millions of years before the spin/turning velocity reaches certain constant and even after that, the constant is only valid for certain long period of planetary or stelar time.

Now, it's only after a decent stability of planetary spin/time is achieved, life becomes possible however ,
in case of young planets the periods will be overlapping and early stages of life on such planet will are subjected to physical anomalies in planetary time/spin.

It's after all what the ancients truly based their calendars, astrology n astronomy sciences upon and kept rebuilding them meticulously over thousands and millions of years ,
as they knew that a/time is not a constant b/ but it has set of complicated constants entwined to it that will stay valid for long periods of time.


A little distraction from the case ... most micro -particles have spin. With that said , if you would say that 'time does not exist' you'd also have to deny energy being valid factor because energy induces spin . It's velocity creates time event ,
depending on both interacting particles . Energy resulting from their mass and spin creates micro -gravity .
Greater the mass/spin, greater the gravity . So it goes for celestial bodies as well.

Speaking of complex life forms evolving on your Planet , all in their formation and evolution was subjected to the spin velocity of your Planet and couple of other important factors we have to omit now ,

and within this planetary time, their organisms are long or short lived depending how fast you turn the globe around.
If you turn it too fast, their potential will be also exhausted faster, and they will experience more gravity so they'll have comparatively short lives .

If you turn the ball around slowly, your 'globalians' won't be subjected to that much stress and will have time to evolve in peace and live long .

This is just an example of course but it's basically how it works with time , and ways we experience it .


You do not 'feel the Earth' turning around , or the Sun travelling in Space or the Milky Way's spin ( apologies if you in particular do feel it ) , does not mean that they are hanging in the Sky .

Before my connection times out ..



Thank you for input to this thread :panda:

[Observer1964]

I dont think that the spin of a planet is a chance-event. Looking at a planet and its magnetical field and how it is hanging or spinning around a Star, it basicly is spinning trough the solarwind. This solar wind is much like an electric field and the magnetic fieldlines much like a squarral cage like u find in AC- motors. So i think the spin is caused by the solarwind and variations in this field may cause a acceleration or deceleration that we experience as earthquakes becoz of forces of inertia. like when u accelerate in a car u get pushed into the chair or by braking u tend to fall forward.

[Old Snake]

Actually, it's very serious .


But , we can't right steal their copy rights else it could be sold as iWarp.


No I really can not find anyone serious enough to talk to these days :(



LOVE LOVE LOVE

Agape,

Ok.You made youself clear,hum ,I hope I understand.

In the Bodgaya document, you have been speaking to those in power and to scientists. To no (official) avail.

Maybe you could organise from the bottom up,

Get some students in geo science interested,
let them build FGM3 magnetometers, and let them survey the perimeter
of place in question.

FGM3`s can be run from a laptop,they are small,and for all reasonably cheap
wich is an important factor, but most important they are verry sensitive.

So if there is an "anomaly' they`ll see it,and going by your story this one might prove to be huge , wich may interest their teachers (profs) and so on

Organise as localy as possible

People power?

Old Snake

[Agape]

Old Snake,

I sincerely appreciate your good mind and idea ..but the truth is that someone will have to organise this on n of their own powers ..

I'm half way in sort of catatonic mode over time , my mind moves on different frequency than most humans do which can be advantage or disadvantage to both sides of communication
and I'm really feeling depressed by the lack of professional response to the situation from any competent side .

I'm totally mad at myself for not being able to do the right thing and guess my brain is working overtime.

Ai just feel like the girl they sent for what was it, strawberries in winter ..

'cause they were certain she'll lose the way


Let someone else does something nice for mankind , I'm totally incompetent wallah



Narayana Narayana


P.S. You really don't want to know ( can't tell you what but H.H. Dalailama thinks that we can stick it up our a*** ) I fainted , and went to wait to door .



:bathbaby:

[Tangri]

I believe Bill and Kerry pay visited that side and record a video.
I must admit that Bill made her little naive in that video.

Love and Hope

[Agape]

This is what is happening ... among else :


http://in.news.yahoo.com/exiled-tibetans-dharamsala-express-dismay-anger-over-fresh-071400653.html

Exiled Tibetans in Dharamsala express dismay, anger over fresh self-immolations


Exiled Tibetans have expressed shock and dismay on receiving reports of three more Tibetans setting themselves on fire in Tibet to protest against repressive Chinese rule in their homeland.
The current death toll from self-immolation has now reached 85, with 22 alone in the month of November this year.
Sangay Dolma, a 17-year-old nun, set herself on fire at Bharkor village, 18-year-old Kunchok Tsering died after setting fire to himself at the entrance of mining field in Achok town in Labrang in north-eastern Tibet and Gonpo Tsering, a 24-year-old set fire to himself in front of the prayer hall of Ala Dheu Monastery at Luchu in Kanlho in north-eastern Tibet.
"The situation in Tibet continues to be grim and in view of the increasing self-immolations in Tibet and we have three self-immolation in one day, yesterday and in total 85 Tibetans have self-immolated and 22 in this month, November alone. The situation is very grim," said Spokesperson of Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) in-exile, Lobsang Choedak at Dharamsala.
According to certain sources, the Tibetans raised slogans calling for freedom and human rights in their homeland and the return of the Dalai Lama to Tibet.
They also sought withdrawal of security forces in the region following the incident.
China maintains that Tibet is an integral part of China and that other countries hosting the Dalai Lama amount to interference in domestic Chinese affairs.
"How long can we keep on counting the bodies of dead Tibetans? This is a challenge to the conscience of everybody in this world who believes in principles like freedom, justice, peace. These Tibetans, they burn themselves because they are calling for freedom, basic freedom and fundamental rights. So, of course, there should be more engagement from the international community as well as from international governments to press on the Chinese government to resolve this issue, as soon as possible so that Tibetan lives can be saved," said Director of Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD), Tsering Tsomo.
China has branded the self-immolators 'terrorists' and criminals, and has blamed the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Dalai Lama, for inciting them.
Beijing has termed the Dalai Lama a dangerous separatist, but he denies supporting violence and says he merely seeks greater autonomy for his homeland, which he claims is a victim of Chinese 'cultural genocide'.
China has ruled Tibet since 1950, when Communist troops marched in and announced its 'peaceful liberation'.
The Dalai Lama, who fled to India in 1959 following a failed uprising, has accused China of 'cultural genocide'.
China rejects such criticism, saying its rule ended serfdom and brought development to a backward area.




I mean, it's 86 people who made a live torch of themselves in Tibet ( under Chinese governance ) in last 3 years , it seems more than twenty during this November alone .

Should that happen in any other country it would rise huge concerns from international media, from the countries government itself, from UNO .. and so on. Not so in China ..

Human life in China values about the same as life of cockroach . Cockroaches eat each others heads when they are hungry, they're pretty awful.


As another article from yesterday cynically states :

Tibetan protests against Chinese rule in new phase (http://news.yahoo.com/tibetan-protests-against-chinese-rule-phase-105121762.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CVDFLdQeSwAr77QtDMD)


Two dozen Tibetans have set themselves on fire in western China this month in a dramatic acceleration of the protests against authoritarian Chinese rule, activist groups say.
The surge in self-immolations, along with an increase in large demonstrations, marks a new phase in the Tibetan protests.
At least 86 people have set themselves on fire since the immolations began in 2009. In a change in recent months, most self-immolators now are lay people — some of them acting together — rather than Buddhist monks and nuns who live in tightly monitored monasteries and thus can be more closely watched by authorities.
The protests have also sought to avoid direct attacks on authorities and government property, acts which in the past were used to label them as riots or terrorism, providing an excuse for greater oppression. Despite the altered approach, observers see little short-term possibility of Beijing changing its repressive policies.
"I think the problem will just escalate over time. The government shows no inclination to respond positively to recommendations for reform from the outside or Tibetans," said Michael Davis, a law professor and expert on Tibet at the University of Hong Kong.
In the latest immolation, 24-year-old Kalsang Kyab doused himself with kerosene and set himself alight Tuesday in front of local government offices in Kyangtsa in Aba prefecture, a hotbed of unrest, according to London-based Free Tibet and other groups.
An Aba official said Wednesday he was aware of the immolations but refused to give any details before hanging up.
On Monday, about 1,000 students at a Tsolho Medical Institute staged a bold protest about 900 kilometers (550 miles) to the north in Hainan prefecture in Qinghai province. Riot police fired shots into the air and released tear gas and beat the students with rifle butts, sending 20 students to the hospital, some with serious injuries, Free Tibet reported. Four students were detained as of Tuesday, according to U.S.-funded broadcaster Radio Free Asia.
Tibetan and surrounding ethnically Tibetan regions have been closed off to most outsiders, and firsthand information from the area is extremely difficult to obtain. Authorities have not commented on the protest. Calls to the medical school rang unanswered Wednesday.
Driving the students to protest was a booklet distributed by authorities that derided the Tibetan language as irrelevant, attacked the exiled Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama, and condemned the immolation protests by Tibetans as "acts of stupidity."
The booklet is the latest in a series of perceived slights and intrusive measures by Chinese authorities that have left Tibetans feeling that the culture, language and Buddhist religion that are at the core of their identity are under threat. The feelings have also driven the immolations.
The combination of immolations and large-scale protests is posing a new challenge for security forces, which have been stationed in large numbers in Tibetan areas in recent years.
The surge in self-immolations represents an awareness of the impact they are having among the Tibetan community and internationally, said Robbie Barnett, a Tibet expert at New York's Columbia University. That would likely inspire further protests, increasing the numbers of Tibetans willing to take their lives for the sake of their community, he said.
Most self-immolators have doused themselves with gasoline and set themselves alight after shouting slogans calling for Tibetan independence and blessings for the Dalai Lama, who fled to India in 1959 as Chinese troops — a decade after they occupied the region — were crushing an anti-government uprising.
Though protests have flared periodically over the decades, tensions boiled over in 2008, when deadly rioting broke out in the capital, Lhasa, and sparked an uprising across large swaths of ethnically Tibetan areas. Since then, security — already extremely tight — has been smothering.
The immolations have galvanized many Tibetans, who see them as selfless acts of sacrifice, making it hard for authorities to denounce the immolators. Similarly, protests by students are hard to demonize since they are typically non-violent and centered on issues such as language rights that are guaranteed under the Chinese Constitution.
While local authorities have cracked down hard following the self-immolations and other protests, authorities in Beijing have said relatively little other than to issue routine denunciations of the Dalai Lama and his followers. That indicates they are uncertain how to respond in a way that would bolster their authority and prevent the acts of defiance snow-balling into a full-blown protest movement, Barnett said.
"This suggests that the Tibetans have found a way of at least getting under the skin of the authorities," he said.


What a comment, 86 people ..found way how to get under the skin of authorities, oh really ..




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When i go down to town I have to take picture of this old baba ( father ), originally from New York ,
he looks too like an old ET , being from fairy tale, with white beard ..very frail though and he has Parkinsons in advanced stage,
serious neuralgic impairment that is. He keeps standing there sometimes at shop, just to be among people and trying to walk few steps on his own.
He has to fed, dressed, helped to make moves with hands and feet .

His mind is still very sharp and knowing and he can talk in low voice. He's been travelling for about 40 years and of course, does not want to go back to the US, and does not want to take chemical drugs .
He's trying some Indian and Tibetan herbal medicines, those work but very slowly and he should not stay here in this cold.


Barry too is like that and couple of people I know about who had contact experience or are of other than than human origin.

In mild stages people describe it as Chronical Fatigue Syndrom , in advanced stages they end up paralyzed .

Western medicine can't obviously discern what is what, causes and consequencies .


I have slow connection so uploading pictures to photobucket takes time .

This reminds me of a periode working as a personal assistant
to an ALS patient ( in USA, the Lou Gehrig syndrome )

some info sources :
http://kidshealth.org/kid/grownup/conditions/als.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Gehrig

There is credible speculation that storage of
metals and heavy metals in the body and brain
could be an attributing cause for illnesses like ALS.

Some known herbal cures can relieve the body
and refresh it from metal overload.
( Coriander is also mentioned in that regard )

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander

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All well, Eva .
And all .

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Nox , thanks, I'm sorry I did not respond earlier . Why did you delete your other posts . I thanked you in my mind and heart ..

Just not having the best of connection nowadays so sometimes I fit in to make a posting then have to run . But I return when have more time etc.


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