Why do you believe ETs do exist and what are they up to?

[cloud9]

I just wanted to know what Avalon people think about the subject and my question goes for people like me, that have never had ET experiences, not even in dreams but we do believe life is everywhere in the Universe.


I'm very interested in other people believes because in every thread that discusses ETs, aliens or any other name used to describe intelligent life other than earthly human beings, most of the people talk like they truly know how ETs (just as generic name) think, act, what they want and why are they here but they have never seen one or never have seen an UFO, however they say with all passion how ETs are negative, never trust them and of course, never totally believe or accept others testimonies.


It seems to me that for somebody who believes in aliens, some spend most of their time discrediting and debunking every one else, so.... how do you know ETs are real? Why do you believe they are here? Are they?

So far every single picture, video u other material presented is being attacked and debunked in every way possible, so if no real evidence has proven their existence, why do you believe in them?

Without evidence, how come we can accept ET intervention in world's governments?

What kind of proof would you accept? I ask this question because in my opinion, so far no one of them has been interested in giving us some physical proof as they know something physical from them that we can analyze in a lab and determine is alien would end the endless discussion.

Please share your opinions....

:peace:

[steve_a]

Hi Cloud9,

You make some very good points. It strikes me that ET's are like God. Nobody has given any solid truth that they are real, just like God, but many claim to have seen, just like God, or even made contact (spoken to) just like God. This of course could lead us to the question, "Is God just another ET?"

However, on the question of if ETs exist, I would answer, "Yes". Why? Because almost every week now we are hearing of new galaxies and solar systems being discovered. Unfortunately man is so arrogant, that some think that we are the only life in all of the different universes in existence. That we are the only life form and most intelligent life out in space.

Some scientists say that life is impossible because to have life you need water and oxigen. What a blind view. Who says that life needs water and oxygen? What if a form of life doesn't need these things, that it needs a gas that we don't even know about yet, that to replenish their fluids they need a substance that we just don't know about yet? Do you see what I'm getting at? All of a sudden NASA doesn't need to look for only one type of planet (like ours) but ALL types of planet.

I do realize that of course my view is only a hypothesis and not based on hard fact, but research and scientific study is done to prove or disprove a hypothesis. I'm not a scientist, so that is not my problem. I'm merely a thinker.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steven]

I personnally beleive in ET or ED because of many reasons. The first is my own experience. The second is that I know people who had contact with ETs (unfortunatly not positive). And the third, is after 20 years of reading, asking , searching, traveling etc... I have found so many testemonies, by the thousands, that even if only one of them is true, then it positivly answer your question.

You can add to this the evidence of the starchild skull in the light of new dna test this year. Also, its funny because people are looking for official disclore, while it has already been made. Chili was the first country who officially state that we were visited in 1977, Russia, France, even England is releasing documents on it. Brasil has a federal laws that manage UFO sighting by pilots. And I could go on and on like this for pages. I just need my first reason to beleive in them.

Namaste, Steven

[monique]

I believe et's exist but have their own life and aren't gods. I believe we must make our own hapiness, day by day. And don't hope all the best come outside. That were like expect the return of god. Eternal waiting... Monique.

[Dale]

I believe ET's exist because of personal experiences and experiences of others I deeply trust.

What they're up to; who knows? From what I've been told, as well as from what I've researched; there are many, many, many, many, many different ET groups visiting us. Most of these groups are benevolent, or uninterested at best; but there are a few groups who appear to have differing mindsets in comparison to the sum of human civilization.

[dreamchaser]

I believe alien races exist cos it 'feels' right! :) And like Dodie Foster said in the film Contact, if theres onbody else out there, then its an awful waste of space. Lately Ive started to think that not ALL life might need a solid rocky planet to grow and evolve. The way I see it the universes dont just exist to create life, but that they ARE in themselves living entities! Yes Im SURE theres more than 1 universe!

So if anyone says there no proof of life on other worlds or anywhere else in the universe I find I have to turn away from people like that. Why? Cos theres not much proof of anything for a lot of humans! lol Seeing with eyes is like only believing with the mind, BUT believing first to me is like seeing with the heart! I want to believe cos I believe if we dont, we dont give something a chance to BE real.....IF that makes sense!! :s

[Eric J (Viking)]

5 Parts ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2a3B5LgavA&feature=related

viking

[cloud9]

Thank you all for your opinions here. I haven't watch the videos yet but I will.
In my case, I believe ETs exist just because is common sense! If we have bigger telescopes we will see more and more of the Universe and every time this happens we realize how small we are in comparison with the big picture, it also works the other way around, if we smaller and smaller I'm pretty sure we'll find not just tiny atomic particles but tiny living beings also, imagine that every single living being has parasites on or in them that are very small compared to the host, now, those parasites have parasites on them too and it just goes to infinite.

What really gets me is how many people who believe in the possibility of ETs around, can just see the negative picture and for them, negative ETs are more real than positive.

They very easily can believe bad reptilians live underground eating children or just using the bodies of very influential people, they believe all greys are the same and all of them are bad, it doesn't matter that many witnesses have seen many different types of greys, once some of them are considered bad all of them are.

Also, a lot of people rather consider all ETs "demons" that evolved beings, perhaps we've had bad experiences in the past and is ingrained in our cellular memory ...
Somehow it bothers me that every single time somebody says there are benevolent alien beings and they are trying to help us, ET believers jump to say that it's not possible, just the bad guys are here, even worse, it's impossible to believe there's good out there when we have seen a few bad guys here and all of them are bad.

Why it is easier for us to believe in evil? Do we think is more real? Uhmm.. well, he have been pretty beat up for such a long time...

I never doubted the existence of ETs, what is kind of new for me is the idea of them existing in different dimensions and that being the reason why we can't see them but I understand the concept very well and I understand the vibration and frequency thing, parallel universes, etc.

Now, if getting more people to wake up to the idea of life in other planets, realities and so on it's important for our evolution and we need to open our eyes, why do you think the ETs are not helping us to "see" what we need to see?
I'm pretty sure we don't need a flotilla of spaceships going around in our atmosphere for 3 days so every one can see them, that would be very dangerous, but what about archaelogists finding real proof? Or more good personal contacts? Because so far, just a very few percentage of people can say they have been contacted and it usually happens during the dream state making matters more complicated.

Another thing it bothers me a lot is the fact that there are so many versions of human origins and human history, who can we believe in?

I find the seeding theory very plausible and logical, it makes perfect sense to me having more evolved beings in charge of seeding young planets and taking care of them, what else would they be doing? Just floating around? If that was the case, evolution wouldn't make any sense.
Following this thinking it seems obvious to me the ones in charge would be evolved beings and very benevolent indeed.

So, why is it so hard to believe in the good guys?

[cloud9]

Hi Cloud9,

You make some very good points. It strikes me that ET's are like God. Nobody has given any solid truth that they are real, just like God, but many claim to have seen, just like God, or even made contact (spoken to) just like God. This of course could lead us to the question, "Is God just another ET?"

However, on the question of if ETs exist, I would answer, "Yes". Why? Because almost every week now we are hearing of new galaxies and solar systems being discovered. Unfortunately man is so arrogant, that some think that we are the only life in all of the different universes in existence. That we are the only life form and most intelligent life out in space.

Some scientists say that life is impossible because to have life you need water and oxigen. What a blind view. Who says that life needs water and oxygen? What if a form of life doesn't need these things, that it needs a gas that we don't even know about yet, that to replenish their fluids they need a substance that we just don't know about yet? Do you see what I'm getting at? All of a sudden NASA doesn't need to look for only one type of planet (like ours) but ALL types of planet.

I do realize that of course my view is only a hypothesis and not based on hard fact, but research and scientific study is done to prove or disprove a hypothesis. I'm not a scientist, so that is not my problem. I'm merely a thinker.

Best regards,

Steve

Dear Steve_a:
I do have some crazy "theories" on my own. I really don't know if God is just another ET but for me and for practical effects, I tend to believe our "closest" God would be our Higher Self or Oversoul, this one energy that splits itself in many "aspects" in order to have more experiences and knowledge. That to me seems like the one boss immediately above us, I'm sorry I couldn't find a better way to express this idea but I hope you understand what I mean. I really hope this doesn't sound so crazy but it's one of those ideas you have that you rather never say because it's so silly...

I'm with you regarding what scientists say about what it's needed for having life and again it's just common sense. If we can accept the incredible variety of life in our small planet, why should we think the variety stops right here? I'm sure there are billions of different kinds of planets everywhere and to consider that just a few with water can support life it's just ubelievable... stupidity!

[Deega]

Hi All,

I believed ET existence for the following metaphysical reasons.

We are cosmic being living on Earth, so we are an infinite small part of the Solar System conscious, creative, capable of positive and negative things. And from our scientists, we have learned that there is millions of other systems similar to ours, so I love to conclude that intelligent beings (in constellations) are many…. in the universe, may we called them ET or other names!

We are 3rd dimensional dualistic being limited in our capacity to access other dimensions, and I like to think that the ET are higher (technically) dimensional beings, so not all of us are able to connect..., with them.

It seems that life exists in all that we can see, feel, taste, ear, dream. To put it simply, life is within rocks, in grass, in trees, in water, in air, etc., it only takes the appropriate environment to manifest living (for rock, solid particularly). So life may then be defined as a conscious vibrational expression (cellular level) manifest. If this definition is correct and we accept that matter in other constellations have similar properties, we are left with intelligent beings with similar, superior or inferior capacities as ours, and it would imply that consciousness have different degrees also.

We questioned ourselves of their existence, doesn’t give us a clue of there (ET) being part of who we are…?, I think it does…!

It on these grounds that I find ET existence real!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Bomack]

ET LIFE exists for the simple fact that WE exist.

[ArtyCarl]

With better telescopes and processing we are discovering new planets at a rapid rate. Some 440+ planets have already been discovered in the last 20 years. When you think of the vastness of space and the sheer mindboggling number of stars then it becomes pretty obvious that the chances of life evolving on other planets is almost a certainty. What forms that life might take is probably limited by our imagination but we have evolved...we have taken our first tentative steps out into the stars so the likelihood is that there are other evolved lifeforms doing the same.

Have we been visited by them...possibly, who knows!

[HORIZONS]

I neither believe nor disbelieve, but take the position that nothing is beyond the realm of possibility. So until I have a close encounter of somekind I would say "it's possible, it's possible."

[John Parslow]

If anyone is still unsure about E.T. existence then I would suggest reading the thread: The Bodhgaya Event started by Barry M King and Agape. After reading every question and response I am totally convinced that not only do E.T.'s exist but we are fortunate enough to have one in our midst on the Aavalon Forum.

Love and peace to all, human's and E.T.'s JP :cool:

[cloud9]

Thank you for all your comments but somehow I feel I haven't gotten what I was looking for yet.

Somehow I'm troubled by so many opinions here about what aliens or ETs are up to in regards of humanity evolution. I always wonder why every single time somebody says ETs are good, benevolent or more evolved, good in general and want to helps us, many get freaked out and almost yelling they state that's not the truth, they believe all ET races known to us so far have an selfish agenda...

Perhaps I should change the question? Is there in your opinion one or more races out there who have some interest in our evolution? Which ones that you know of?

I'm getting tired of all negative views about this issue, I believe if we just focus on that we won't be able to see the good ahead of us and never will get through the "bad" stuff.

I think I've been receiving downloads of information while sleeping, a few times I've woken up in the middle of the night and I can see with the corners of my eyes many symbols around me that I can't recognize but they stay visible for a few minutes so I was wondering about it and I really hope this is a good thing because I don't get a bad feeling or anything.
Is somebody else here getting this kind of thing?

Thank you again for the wonderful replies.

[cloud9]

Hi All,

I believed ET existence for the following metaphysical reasons.

We are cosmic being living on Earth, so we are an infinite small part of the Solar System conscious, creative, capable of positive and negative things. And from our scientists, we have learned that there is millions of other systems similar to ours, so I love to conclude that intelligent beings (in constellations) are many…. in the universe, may we called them ET or other names!

We are 3rd dimensional dualistic being limited in our capacity to access other dimensions, and I like to think that the ET are higher (technically) dimensional beings, so not all of us are able to connect..., with them.

It seems that life exists in all that we can see, feel, taste, ear, dream. To put it simply, life is within rocks, in grass, in trees, in water, in air, etc., it only takes the appropriate environment to manifest living (for rock, solid particularly). So life may then be defined as a conscious vibrational expression (cellular level) manifest. If this definition is correct and we accept that matter in other constellations have similar properties, we are left with intelligent beings with similar, superior or inferior capacities as ours, and it would imply that consciousness have different degrees also.

We questioned ourselves of their existence, doesn’t give us a clue of there (ET) being part of who we are…?, I think it does…!

It on these grounds that I find ET existence real!

All my blessings.

Deega

Oh dear Deega,
I couldn't agree more, life indeed exists everywhere and everything has consciousness. Beautiful.

[Craig]

I have often wondered about the existence of aliens myself, normally during quiet times when I let my overabused mind wander, also whilst watching the TV and seeing how peoples\animals of the world are poorly treated. I wonder why benevolent et's don't just pop in and prevent the madness we are currently experiencing. But recently I was watching an ant's nest - how the ants scurry around like madness and I thought, what if one of the ant's was mistreating groups of other ants, murdering them or mistreating them??? I wouldn't know, or I wouldn't know how to stop it, perhaps that is what it is like with Aliens, they see us like we see ants, they don't know the suffering we put each other through, they just know we exist.

Hope this makes sense

[Little Ishta]

Quite an interesting thread! I enjoyed everyone's opinions. And here is mine; if we exist so do they. I cannot be ignorant and say that we are the only ones in this vast Universe. We have been visited for so long. For all we know, ET's may just be our ancestors. And by the way there are good ET's and bad ET's just as there are good humans and bad humans. We have many different races here on earth so maybe just maybe there are other races of ET's out in the Universe. I like the word extraterrestrials... extra terrestrials if you get my drift. I also like the word Star Beings. And they do help us. They have been for a very long time. But are people ready for the truth?

And as for your experience with receiving symbols in your dreams, I too get them at times. I believe we are tapping into the Universe. And might be getting information that we need to help us evolve. Go with your instincts. Follow your heart. Forget the negativity or just turn it around into something positive. Maybe there are people who don't want us to see and hear the truth.

We are always learning and growing. Times are changing. Life is so different now. I guess that is why we are here, to find answers. Every one of us has had experiences. We come here to share them. To help each other and to understand.

[MariaDine]

TSSS............I didn't belive in UFO until I had a out of body experience.

They - whoever they are , I wasn't told - are always monotoring the water...taking samples to see the quality...........It was the major concern of the «contact».
And that was that.

Frankly, I don't even know why I was told that, because there is nothing I can do about it. :(...and, belive me , my present day concerns are about finishing my history thesis ...LOL
LOVE
MD

http://www.ornj.net/webalbum/sample/water.jpg

[Little Ishta]

Would love to read it the 'The Bodhgaya Event', is there a link to it?

[John Parslow]

Hello Little Ishta

There is a little box for searching at the top right of the main page, just type in 'The Bodhgaya Event' and it will take you to it.

Love and peace to you little Ishta. JP :cool:

[Ki's]

Hi folks, my name is Ki and I'm kind of new here, (though I've been lurking for awhile)
Anyway, I wanted to weigh in on this topic.
I believe that ET's exist and the reason I believe that is because I have been an abductee for 55 years. Most of my memories are intact...I've just always known. (and somehow always knew it had to be kept secret)
I can't speak for any 'good' or positive ET's, my experience has been only with the little grey's and one tall grey that I came to think of as my personal 'handler'...(as he was usually present at each of my abductions).
My personal opinion is that if something creeps around in your house and steals you away against your will...that's kidnapping and kidnapping is a crime.
I have spent a large portion of my life actively working at NOT being abducted.
I think there must be postive/good ET's, but I have the feeling that they watch from the sidelines and don't impose their will on others.
So, there's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
love and light
Ki

[frank samuel]

Believing if ETs exits or not for me never has been a question, because every time I looked in the mirror I had a hard time defining what I saw in the mirror as though I was looking at a face that I did not recognize. It took me a long time to figure it out, lets just say that ETs are we and that's all the answer I need.

For those that try to convince themselves otherwise, many things that we value have nothing to do with something substantial or 3 dimensional instead is in the realm of the mind or the heart as we relate to the world around us, this physical body is just the outer shell. Remembering our origins will take you to many places and many worlds.

Why are we here? Since we all have originated from ETs lineages, at least in my opinion, then I guess we are now here to remember and help to liberate this world from the shackles of slavery. The saying," free your mind", becomes more than a cliche it becomes my purpose for living , also to free our hearts, those two combine will help to lift the veil and activate your memories of your past, present and future taking us further beyond the origins of space and time.

For me every single second is an adventure as we are about to unlock the door to the yellow brick road. May all your journeys be fruitful , may all your questions be answer, may you see pass the man or woman in the mirror and find the real you.

Many many blessings to all.:wub:

[wynderer]

Hi folks, my name is Ki and I'm kind of new here, (though I've been lurking for awhile)
Anyway, I wanted to weigh in on this topic.
I believe that ET's exist and the reason I believe that is because I have been an abductee for 55 years. Most of my memories are intact...I've just always known. (and somehow always knew it had to be kept secret)
I can't speak for any 'good' or positive ET's, my experience has been only with the little grey's and one tall grey that I came to think of as my personal 'handler'...(as he was usually present at each of my abductions).
My personal opinion is that if something creeps around in your house and steals you away against your will...that's kidnapping and kidnapping is a crime.
I have spent a large portion of my life actively working at NOT being abducted.
I think there must be postive/good ET's, but I have the feeling that they watch from the sidelines and don't impose their will on others.
So, there's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
love and light
Ki

Hi Ki -- just wanted to say Welcome, & thanks for sharing about being an abductee -- i am one also -- in general, when i post about this, i get ignored, or else someone just happens to post immediately afterwards some version of the theme that ETs are here to help us -- i also sometimes get told i am being 'negative' when i say anything about abductions -- i do like it that there are actually other abductees on this fine forum, who agree w/ me, & w/you, that abductions are not nice -- just plain wrong, imo

[truthseekerdan]

Believing if ETs exits or not for me never has been a question, because every time I looked in the mirror I had a hard time defining what I saw in the mirror as though I was looking at a face that I did not recognize. It took me a long time to figure it out, lets just say that ETs are we and that's all the answer I need.

For those that try to convince themselves otherwise, many things that we value have nothing to do with something substantial or 3 dimensional instead is in the realm of the mind or the heart as we relate to the world around us, this physical body is just the outer shell. Remembering our origins will take you to many places and many worlds.

Why are we here? Since we all have originated from ETs lineages, at least in my opinion, then I guess we are now here to remember and help to liberate this world from the shackles of slavery. The saying," free your mind", becomes more than a cliche it becomes my purpose for living , also to free our hearts, those two combine will help to lift the veil and activate your memories of your past, present and future taking us further beyond the origins of space and time.

For me every single second is an adventure as we are about to unlock the door to the yellow brick road. May all your journeys be fruitful , may all your questions be answer, may you see pass the man or woman in the mirror and find the real you.

Many many blessings to all.:wub:

Well said Frank. :thumb: This knowledge is also found in Dolores Canon's (http://www.ozarkmt.com/) material (books, etc.), that none of 'us is native' to a specific planet so to speak. But 'we lived' many lives on other planets other than Earth as well, in this vast Universe. That makes us, all aliens...;)

Love & Light to all, :love:

Dan

[wynderer]

Thank you for all your comments but somehow I feel I haven't gotten what I was looking for yet.

Somehow I'm troubled by so many opinions here about what aliens or ETs are up to in regards of humanity evolution. I always wonder why every single time somebody says ETs are good, benevolent or more evolved, good in general and want to helps us, many get freaked out and almost yelling they state that's not the truth, they believe all ET races known to us so far have an selfish agenda...

Perhaps I should change the question? Is there in your opinion one or more races out there who have some interest in our evolution? Which ones that you know of?

I'm getting tired of all negative views about this issue, I believe if we just focus on that we won't be able to see the good ahead of us and never will get through the "bad" stuff.

I think I've been receiving downloads of information while sleeping, a few times I've woken up in the middle of the night and I can see with the corners of my eyes many symbols around me that I can't recognize but they stay visible for a few minutes so I was wondering about it and I really hope this is a good thing because I don't get a bad feeling or anything.
Is somebody else here getting this kind of thing?

Thank you again for the wonderful replies.

just a thought about focusing on the bad stuff, Cloud9 -- from your mentioning that i am guessing that you believe also that we create our own realities by what we focus on? like attracting like & that sort of thing?

i think, from a benevolent ET point of view -- say, if they were out in space looking down at planet Earth -- i think they would be very wary of coming any closer

to begin with, at any given moment there are millions of animals being killed, screaming in pain & terror -- an ET w/sensitive hearing would pick that up -- quite a few human screams mixed in w/that also -- then there is the pollution -- the dying oceans -- the dirty air -- all the mining, which to an ET up above might look like rape of this planet -- probably ETs can see the radiation from all the DU being used , & big radioactive patches where the bombs have been tested starting in the '50s -- then of course there are all the wars going on -- & all the prisons -- and so on & so forth

this might explain why benevolent ETs seem to be keeping their distance [unless you think all the channeled stuff is really from ETs] -- i imagine from out there in space, this looks like a pretty dark & scary planet -- if like attracts like, i don't think we are attracting kind & loving ETs at this time

[frank samuel]

Wynderer I have a question for you concerning ETs and your outlook for mankind in the coming years as I have read many of your post.

The reason is because even in the depth of hell there's always hope. Why are you convinced otherwise ? Why do you think all ETs are negative? If they wanted to have a hostile take over and eliminate the humans it would have already taken place. My theory is that there are both forces at work here those with a personal agenda and those who are here to help in the growth and development of the human race.

I respect your views it is my sincere hope that we learn from each other and learn to see the world not only from our own individual perspective but also from the experience and perspective of others.

Thanks for your time, blessings to you.

[wynderer]

Wynderer I have a question for you concerning ETs and your outlook for mankind in the coming years as I have read many of your post.

The reason is because even in the depth of hell there's always hope. Why are you convinced otherwise ? Why do you think all ETs are negative? If they wanted to have a hostile take over and eliminate the humans it would have already taken place. My theory is that there are both forces at work here those with a personal agenda and those who are here to help in the growth and development of the human race.

I respect your views it is my sincere hope that we learn from each other and learn to see the world not only from our own individual perspective but also from the experience and perspective of others.

Thanks for your time, blessings to you.

Hi Frank --

Why do you think all ETs are negative?

i've never said that i think that all ETs are negative -- i know i have written at least once that i think it is dangerous for benevolent ETs to come near Earth , as Earth is under the control of NWO-aligned ETs at the present time --also i have said that i define abduction as being done by negative ETs, & contact as being done by benevolent ETs, & that i have experienced both [N.B. --BOTH] -- i have some highly personal & close-to --home reasons for knowing there are benevolent ETs --

The reason is because even in the depth of hell there's always hope. Why are you convinced otherwise ?

i've never written that there is no hope --

i hope i have answered your questions

[frank samuel]

Thanks wynderer for you clarification you see I did learn something. Words sometimes are a very limited form of expression of our ideas , emotions and experiences thus we do not always understand each other point of view. Thank you once again for your kind response.

Many many blessings to you.:wub:

[Hiram]

I know that ET's exist and are visiting/observing the planet we call Earth.

The reason I know this is because someone close to me who worked with NASA for over 30 years told me directly that it is so. They are there, and have been there the whole time.

I also am convinced that there are many extra-dimensional visitors here. And that we exacerbated this problem by detonating so many powerful nuclear weapons, which cause turbulence and actually tear holes, and tie knots in the space-time continuum. Its VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Like Frank above, I also know that I am not from here. This body in which I inhabit, is of this Earth. But I observe the planet with eyes of an outsider. An outsider with a mission though. When you are like this, it becomes glaringly obvious to you as you progress in age.



Lastly, go to the beach, stand on the sand and look down. Pick up a handful of sand and let it run through your fingers. There are more stars in this universe alone than there are grains of sand on every beach on Earth. Think about that.

That's just one universe.

The scope of the creation is beyond mind boggling.

It draws the breath from your lungs...and stills you to even think about it:)

[wynderer]

I know that ET's exist and are visiting/observing the planet we call Earth.

The reason I know this is because someone close to me who worked with NASA for over 30 years told me directly that it is so. They are there, and have been there the whole time.

I also am convinced that there are many extra-dimensional visitors here. And that we exacerbated this problem by detonating so many powerful nuclear weapons, which cause turbulence and actually tear holes, and tie knots in the space-time continuum. Its VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Like Frank above, I also know that I am not from here. This body in which I inhabit, is of this Earth. But I observe the planet with eyes of an outsider. An outsider with a mission though. When you are like this, it becomes glaringly obvious to you as you progress in age.



Lastly, go to the beach, stand on the sand and look down. Pick up a handful of sand and let it run through your fingers. There are more stars in this universe alone than there are grains of sand on every beach on Earth. Think about that.

That's just one universe.

The scope of the creation is beyond mind boggling.

It draws the breath from your lungs...and stills you to even think about it:)

loved your post, Hiram -- yes, the immensity & beauty of the infinitude of Universes is awesome!!

now, if the neg ETs & ODs would leave us, human & non-interfering ETs alike, if the negs would leave us alone to get on w/the Grand Adventure of exploring & traveling out there....

[lightblue]

frank samuel;
The reason is because even in the depth of hell there's always hope. Why are you convinced otherwise ? Why do you think all ETs are negative? If they wanted to have a hostile take over and eliminate the humans it would have already taken place. My theory is that there are both forces at work here those with a personal agenda and those who are here to help in the growth and development of the human race.

i think wynderer is on the right track...my sense is that we have already been taken over by the negative et in colaboration with human scum...it is not however complete and they are doing their best to accomplish juast that with their de-population, nuclear experimentation plans and threats...they are not here physically because they don't tolerate the conditions here- coming from a different dimension, reptiles are surely such kind..in all of the sightings, noone efver stated they in fact hang around, they have their cronies to do the job for them...the good guys are good but don't stand a chance of being listened to, just remember the interview with the seargent guy (camelot archive, i forget his name) who served as an interpretor (us military) and communicated with the aliens who came in good faith...sad...but, we'll make it nevertheless - with a little help from above :yu: l

[Beren]

I don`t believe, I know they exist on many planes. Some as pure spirits and some as physical .

If you want to look from highest point of view all are of God.
All children. Some came earlier and some later. Some chose fear and some chose love as their bases to grow and evolve.
Too bad that some are stuck in fear and do not wish to move on towards love since they would then eliminate all their pain and whatever the produced in their darkened minds and realities.

Ultimately this phrase from Jesus (though roughly translated and easy to manipulate from religions) says that we shouldn`t be afraid of one who kills the body but we should be afraid of one who can kill the soul and body in hell.
Now take this literary and you miss the whole point of phrase and truth . People in those times were severely limited with deeper understandings ,even we today are still.

Jesus actually stated that ultimately only Creator has the power to dissolve the soul into pure energy. To erase its consciousness and bring it back to the energy.
For Jesus`s listeners in those times it would mean that a person would die in worst circumstances ( realization of near death would make a hell of their lives) for her.

SO knowing this truth, ultimately all this is a process. Even if the most cruel and evil entity or creature comes for you to take you down, they can`t do any actual damage beside killing your 3D body. Even if you`d kill them you would just eliminate their 3D body.
If they are spirits you could just move them away of you in another dimension.
Point is that nobody except Creator can destroy the soul and Creator is not in the mood of destroying souls that he created.
Rather he is bringing all into harmony ,but since he placed free will for all, he will respect choices of some to remain in fear and destruction mode. But also he will respect a choice of ones whom wish to grow into Christ `s image which is an image of God. So if latter wish to be free from attacks of fear based ones ,God will happily grant them wish and protect them.

No wonder why you can find in Bible written that we should leave revenge to God since he will know what to do with some of his children going rogue and in evil destructive mode to other children.
Just like principal of a school can expel a kid because of their behavior in school,if they were molesting other children or doing bad stuff.
An expulsion can work good for those trouble makers to see their errors and to make them think can they do and feel better!

Anyways folks, there are two choices ,two ultimate ones LOVE or FEAR...
I choose Love...
And bless those who chose fear to realize that they can choose again!
:high5:

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[Beren]

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Maybe :sorry::eyebrows:
little simba :agree:

hakuna matata !

[Hiram]

loved your post, Hiram -- yes, the immensity & beauty of the infinitude of Universes is awesome!!

now, if the neg ETs & ODs would leave us, human & non-interfering ETs alike, if the negs would leave us alone to get on w/the Grand Adventure of exploring & traveling out there....

You bet Wynderer! I'll be right beside you when that day comes. If we could just sail those seas of stars....:cool:

But for the reasons you describe, there is a rocky road to that destiny...and there are "folks" putting the rocks in the road intentionally.

[cloud9]

just a thought about focusing on the bad stuff, Cloud9 -- from your mentioning that i am guessing that you believe also that we create our own realities by what we focus on? like attracting like & that sort of thing?

i think, from a benevolent ET point of view -- say, if they were out in space looking down at planet Earth -- i think they would be very wary of coming any closer

to begin with, at any given moment there are millions of animals being killed, screaming in pain & terror -- an ET w/sensitive hearing would pick that up -- quite a few human screams mixed in w/that also -- then there is the pollution -- the dying oceans -- the dirty air -- all the mining, which to an ET up above might look like rape of this planet -- probably ETs can see the radiation from all the DU being used , & big radioactive patches where the bombs have been tested starting in the '50s -- then of course there are all the wars going on -- & all the prisons -- and so on & so forth

this might explain why benevolent ETs seem to be keeping their distance [unless you think all the channeled stuff is really from ETs] -- i imagine from out there in space, this looks like a pretty dark & scary planet -- if like attracts like, i don't think we are attracting kind & loving ETs at this time

Yes, wynderer,

I truly believe we create our reality, that's why I try not to focus on negative stuff but also I believe every comedy has a tragedy and viceversa, what I mean by that is that events we clearly see as negative have positive in them and also all the way around.

As I've said before, I haven't had ET experiences, dreams, I'm not an abductee etc, so it's hard for me to say but after years of reading so much stuff about the subject somehow I tend to believe there's a good reason for those events but we can't see it yet. Please don't get me wrong, I absolutely empathize with people who have been through those terrible abductions and it's almost unimaginable for me to comprehend such an experience but...

Two years ago I started seeing the Steven Jones videos on you tube and at the beginning I was shocked by the intensity of the events narrated and all the implications, seen a real human being telling the stories rather than reading them from a book was quite something, also the fact that at least for me, contact with ETs was kind of "once in a life time" event, I didn't know much about people with years of frequent contacts.

Steven Jones fought those contacts with a passion and he hated those beings who were imposing their will on him, one day and after much thinking about it he decided to look at the issue in a different way, he immediately saw changes during the following contacts, the interaction was different and he started to learn about all the whys he had.
He doesn't call himself an abductee anymore, he is now an Experiencer.

Now, he's able to look at the big picture and understand the reasons of the abduction phenomena, he's even happy to collaborate with the whole thing.

Even people with bad experiences after deep hypnosis sessions can see the "real" events under a new light.

Now, Steven Jones hasn't been the only one going through this change, Jim Sparks and other less known people too.

Is it possible that due to the painful and very frightening experience, abductees go through a mind process that covers most of the experience and just the strong and painful part is remembered?

What if they volunteered long ago to be the genetic sample of humanity through millennia and based on them the evolved ETs are measuring our progress?

If this is possible, the whole abduction scenario would be looked at very differently.

Now, I absolutely reject all experiments and abductions from people on earth, military or otherwise. I don't see any good reason for it and I think is just shameful.

Wynderer, your point of view as how evolved ETs would see us it's just right on the money. I still have a hard time believing we will have a shift towards enlightenment or whatever based on the state of our planet right now but so many people are talking about it that perhaps it is so. We really need a big change.

Hqav_aFrkuI

http://aninvitationtothedancersvp.blogspot.com/

[NancyV]

I have seen many UFO's, glowing orbs, other dimensional beings and at least one ET who could materialize and dematerialize. My husband has seen ET's several times.

So yes, I know there are ET's, other dimensional beings, and just about anything we can imagine most likely exists. Some are benevolent, some are not benevolent, and some are both, basically the same as humans. Our government and probably many other governments and also some non governmental agencies cooperate with different groups of ET's. Of course they don't tell us about it but there have been some whistle blowers.

We are NOT inferior to even very evolved ET's and it irks me when people think they are so unevolved and helpless compared to ET's. Yes they may be more technologically advanced than we are but not more spiritually advanced. Humans have amazing abilities and only need to access them through searching for the correct method for them personally. For me it took leaving my body hundreds of times and travelling in many other dimensions. Undoubtedly there are other ways, but that was the way for me. The most powerful thing in all the universes and dimensions is LOVE, but not the love most people think of when they think of love. If someone doubts God's love when they see such widespread human suffering that's because they don't really understand what love is, but there is no doubt that God (the source) is LOVE. We humans have a huge capacity for love, and that give us a big advantage over many ET's. Of course there are ET races that also have that capacity but there are many that don't, at least in their incarnation in that particular ET race.

I have had friends who have been abductees and I greatly empathize with those who find it abusive, and I agree that it IS abusive. I do wonder however if some of the ET's think it is ultimately a loving thing they are doing. But what they think doesn't matter as much as what YOU think and feel. We cannot know for sure the motives of others (unless you merge with them). Hopefully we can learn to trust our own inner core values and feelings and not worry about what anyone else thinks or tells us we SHOULD think. So your choice, as Beren said, is between fear and love. If you choose love you choose power and God. If you choose fear you choose disempowerment. But it's all just a temporary trip anyway in these physical bodies. Our ultimate and everpresent destination is to be merged with the Source, and all of creation is a part of the Source.

[cloud9]

Dear NancyV, can you please share what kind of ETs or races were at Area 51? What kind are the ones working with the government?
As I haven't seen an ET I'm very curious and I'd like to know about physical shapes, colors, etc. I've read so many testimonies from people who say they had had contact but other than the greys, not many other descriptions have been provided.
Thank you

[Multiverses]

One could reply to this post with the question of "When is an ET not an ET'? Basically when it is some 'other' dimensional life form.

Over a period of many years I have worked with abductees, I have memories of having been abducted, and a fascination with the paranormal.

We literally are a multi dimensional being in a multi dimensional body.

So to the original question- when is an ET not an ET?, when it is a part of that dimensional heirarchy- reptilian, grey, gargoyle, winged serpent, alien, time lord, ancient one, and other?? and the others present in many forms and experiences.

Entities as they may also be called come in many forms shapes and sizes, they may present as an imaginary friend to a young child, get invited in through drugs, both prescription and illegal, or simply by a lonely or distraught individual.

Once they take hold they can literally 'run your life' and I speak from experience. It took me fourty five years to find some one who not only understood what I was saying, however also to know how to deal with it. It then became a passion of mine to know and to work in that field.

Many suicides will 'stay around' to make sure that their family knows that it wasnt their idea and that the voices in their head made them do it. Schizophrenia is a western medical diagnosis.

Many children present with visits from imaginary friends during the night, and many abductees leave notes on their windows asking to be woken up before they are taken.

Specific areas of Australia and Africa that I am familiar with have huge UFO activity as does Mt Fuji in Japan to name another.

Perhaps some one can clarify the comment that I have been given that if we can photograph them they are ours and if we cant they are theirs??

I could keep going.....

Peace Love and Light

Sheila

Zacharien Sitchins { not sure of spelling sorry] the 12th Planet is also a good source of documented information on our ET predessessors or the 'Gods" as they were called

[wynderer]

Yes, wynderer,

I truly believe we create our reality, that's why I try not to focus on negative stuff but also I believe every comedy has a tragedy and viceversa, what I mean by that is that events we clearly see as negative have positive in them and also all the way around.

As I've said before, I haven't had ET experiences, dreams, I'm not an abductee etc, so it's hard for me to say but after years of reading so much stuff about the subject somehow I tend to believe there's a good reason for those events but we can't see it yet. Please don't get me wrong, I absolutely empathize with people who have been through those terrible abductions and it's almost unimaginable for me to comprehend such an experience but...

Two years ago I started seeing the Steven Jones videos on you tube and at the beginning I was shocked by the intensity of the events narrated and all the implications, seen a real human being telling the stories rather than reading them from a book was quite something, also the fact that at least for me, contact with ETs was kind of "once in a life time" event, I didn't know much about people with years of frequent contacts.

Steven Jones fought those contacts with a passion and he hated those beings who were imposing their will on him, one day and after much thinking about it he decided to look at the issue in a different way, he immediately saw changes during the following contacts, the interaction was different and he started to learn about all the whys he had.
He doesn't call himself an abductee anymore, he is now an Experiencer.

Now, he's able to look at the big picture and understand the reasons of the abduction phenomena, he's even happy to collaborate with the whole thing.

Even people with bad experiences after deep hypnosis sessions can see the "real" events under a new light.

Now, Steven Jones hasn't been the only one going through this change, Jim Sparks and other less known people too.

Is it possible that due to the painful and very frightening experience, abductees go through a mind process that covers most of the experience and just the strong and painful part is remembered?

What if they volunteered long ago to be the genetic sample of humanity through millennia and based on them the evolved ETs are measuring our progress?

If this is possible, the whole abduction scenario would be looked at very differently.

Now, I absolutely reject all experiments and abductions from people on earth, military or otherwise. I don't see any good reason for it and I think is just shameful.

Wynderer, your point of view as how evolved ETs would see us it's just right on the money. I still have a hard time believing we will have a shift towards enlightenment or whatever based on the state of our planet right now but so many people are talking about it that perhaps it is so. We really need a big change.

Hqav_aFrkuI

http://aninvitationtothedancersvp.blogspot.com/

Hi Cloud( -- thanks for your response -- i won't be watching the video tho

He doesn't call himself an abductee anymore, he is now an Experiencer.

Now, he's able to look at the big picture and understand the reasons of the abduction phenomena, he's even happy to collaborate with the whole thing

this is pretty common -- i see it as the Stockholm Syndrome at play -- where the person being tortured comes to see his/her torturer as her/his friend/saviour -- & i have to confess when reading your post, my immediate thought re Steven Jones was 'Sigh...another brainwashed idiot...'

i'd like to clarify also that i don't see my own abductions as the most terrible things that have ever happened to me or to any other human being -- it's been pretty well documented that abductees are selected for their intelligence, higher levels of psychic abilities, etc , & some of us, perhaps depending on our percentage of reptilian, especially Draco, DNA, are treated pretty well by them

& i personally stopped my abductions by calling on the Name of Jesus, Christ Jesus

so my stand against abductions is not that of 'These big meanies are coming to get me every night & i can't stop them & i don't like it -- i'm so scared & helpless'

it's how abductions fit into the bigger picture of the takeover of human beings -- that's what concerns me about abductions -- the brainwashing, including the insertion of implants, that goes on during the abductions themselves, & then the brainwashed abductee like Steven Jones dutifully carrying the message his masters want out to other humans --

like 'Your soul agreed to this before you came in' [good one , reptilians!] -- it's like the Nazis or the Pol Pot regime or Stalin & Mao's minions telling those they were torturing & killing, 'Your soul agreed to this before you came in' -- as i see it, only an idiot would believe this -- an idiot who, like most humans, has lost all survival instincts -- it seems the long-term efforts of the reptilians are finally paying off, since quite a few 'experiencers' are spouting out the riff that S Jones is

i have to admire the reptilian manipulation of human minds -- replacing the word 'abductee' w/that of 'experiencer' -- & replacing 'abduction' w/the word 'contact' --

sometimes i get discouraged & think, Why not just give up? & just quietly let the humans become 'integrated ' w/the greys & robots/AI as planned? since it seems most humans are happy to go along w/the program, why am i concerning myself?

the answer is , the beauty of the human soul -- so valuable to predatory ET & OD beings -- it just seems a shame to watch this creation of a loving Creator disappear along w/all the other beautiful creations on Earth that are being wiped out

[edit to add the following] to NancyV -- you wrote:

I have had friends who have been abductees and I greatly empathize with those who find it abusive, and I agree that it IS abusive. I do wonder however if some of the ET's think it is ultimately a loving thing they are doing. But what they think doesn't matter as much as what YOU think and feel. We cannot know for sure the motives of others (unless you merge with them).

the last bit you wrote there -- unless you merge w/them -- i have a theory -- it's been noted that almost always there is one particular ET or OD who is the head of the abduction team for each particular abductee -- & all abductees report that communication tales place telepathically --

i think that when an abductee begins to wake up & remember [very few of us do], the abductors move quickly to get some kind of damage control going -- the brainwashing of S Jones is one common way -- putting a different spin on the abductions

i think the danger that the abductors see concerning an abductee regaining memories is that the telepathic communication works both ways -- meaning, an abductee can read the abductor's mind as well as the reverse --especially when the abductions have been going on all the abductee's life -- a mental telepathic link is set up

when an abductee starts to wake up, one way of dealing w/it seems to be re-training the human to think along the lines of S Jones -- those few of us abductees who wake up & prove to be un-retrainable seem to endure a lot of unpleasantness -- poverty, ill health, cruel death of beloved animal friends, old human friends inexplicably turning against us [D Icke recently did a talk re how our adversaries use those close to us to work against us -- as i say, human minds are pathetically easy to manipulate for those w/the desire & know-how]

all of this i think, to make us non-effective -- because it is possible for us to know -- to see - what they are up to, by using/following along the telepathic link they, the abductors, forced on us during abductions

[NancyV]

Dear NancyV, can you please share what kind of ETs or races were at Area 51? What kind are the ones working with the government? As I haven't seen an ET I'm very curious and I'd like to know about physical shapes, colors, etc. I've read so many testimonies from people who say they had had contact but other than the greys, not many other descriptions have been provided. Thank you
The only ones my husband told me about [deleted]

One being I saw was a 7-8' tall hairy gruff looking alien (something like a bigfoot type but shorter, less hairy and more human looking) who communicated telepathically with me, which seemed quite natural at the time. He appeared in my bedroom. I asked him what he was doing there and he said "watching you", which I took to mean observing and protecting. I told him that I didn't want him to watch me and to LEAVE! He had walked in through the closed door but when leaving he dematerialized as I was watching. I still felt him around occasionally and there were other beings in different forms that appeared. I don't know if I was just able to see at a higher vibrational frequency at that time or if it was a combination of that and the ability of the beings to become visible and invisible. I was seeing a lot of strange things and beings at that time because of a kundalini awakening state I was in for over a year with intense constant heat and energy. As soon as I met my husband and he moved in with me, all the beings abruptly stopped appearing. I eventually realized it was because of his powerful energy that they would not stay around.

I would imagine they are sensitive enough to know a more powerful energy when they feel one, and my husband is very intense to say the least. He and I are both largely fearless but he is more aggressive and scary than I am! LOL :)

Nancy

[Hiram]

One could reply to this post with the question of "When is an ET not an ET'? Basically when it is some 'other' dimensional life form.

Over a period of many years I have worked with abductees, I have memories of having been abducted, and a fascination with the paranormal.

We literally are a multi dimensional being in a multi dimensional body.

So to the original question- when is an ET not an ET?, when it is a part of that dimensional heirarchy- reptilian, grey, gargoyle, winged serpent, alien, time lord, ancient one, and other?? and the others present in many forms and experiences.

Entities as they may also be called come in many forms shapes and sizes, they may present as an imaginary friend to a young child, get invited in through drugs, both prescription and illegal, or simply by a lonely or distraught individual.

Once they take hold they can literally 'run your life' and I speak from experience. It took me fourty five years to find some one who not only understood what I was saying, however also to know how to deal with it. It then became a passion of mine to know and to work in that field.

Many suicides will 'stay around' to make sure that their family knows that it wasnt their idea and that the voices in their head made them do it. Schizophrenia is a western medical diagnosis.

Many children present with visits from imaginary friends during the night, and many abductees leave notes on their windows asking to be woken up before they are taken.

Specific areas of Australia and Africa that I am familiar with have huge UFO activity as does Mt Fuji in Japan to name another.

Perhaps some one can clarify the comment that I have been given that if we can photograph them they are ours and if we cant they are theirs??

I could keep going.....

Peace Love and Light

Sheila

Zacharien Sitchins { not sure of spelling sorry] the 12th Planet is also a good source of documented information on our ET predessessors or the 'Gods" as they were called


Hello Multiverse, I am delighted that you are here. Welcome.

Many of us have asked that question "what is really an ET?" and that conversation is very complex and the definition is personally subjective. After talking it over with many friends I decided to not get hung-up on the phraseology.

I think of ET's as a catch-all for beings that currently live or have colonies on other planets, and whose genetic lineage did not come from this Earth (even in portion). It gets very complex from there though if one considers time loops and the concept that our collective future wraps back into our collective past multiple times, and then of course the Multiverse (your wonderful sobriquet) is a great term of description.

Then of course, there are the dimensions. Worlds without number.

What humans have thought of as ghosts, and energetic entities also play into this same system.

There is no supernatural, there is only the natural and the undiscovered country.

I also just wanted to say that when you mentioned Time Lords I laughed out loud:) Its a funny term, but its also true, so thank you for drawing our attention to it!!

[Hiram]

As soon as I met my husband and he moved in with me, all the beings abruptly stopped appearing. I eventually realized it was because of his powerful energy that they would not stay around.

I would imagine they are sensitive enough to know a more powerful energy when they feel one, and my husband is very intense to say the least. He and I are both largely fearless but he is more aggressive and scary than I am! LOL :)

Nancy


Nancy, It is wonderful to have your contributions.

Without prying too much, and from your previous posts, it sounds like your husband worked for a private security contractor, who occasionally did work at Watertown. I have acquaintances in similar positions who also don't wish to talk too much about it.

I believe what you say about his energetic signature being a deterrent. I have been told that I too have such an energetic signature, positive, but powerful enough to deter those who would mean me harm.

[Ki's]

First of all, these are only my opinions based on my own abduction experiences.
I have difficulty feeling kindly towards abductions. I feel one of our biggest misconceptions is the belief that a technologically evolved race will automatically be a spiritually evolved race. Humanity is an example of that...we use our own technology for war, not the betterment of humankind.
I have some pretty clear memories...one of which was at 10 and witnessing my hysterical Mother as she was confronted by little grey's that were taking me. She had no memory of it the next morning and was dazed and slow for weeks afterward. But the terror in my Mother's voice that night still haunts me.
I also have a very clear memory of being taken when I was in my 20’s and forced to stand naked on a raised, lighted platform. The rest of the room was in darkness, but I could make out the shadow forms of others encircling the room. Standing to the side and just outside of the shadows was the tall grey that had always been present at my abductions. He was nodding and giving me encouragement and I knew that I was being tested and was supposed to exit my body and float upwards.
I tried so hard to remember how to do that and when I couldn’t, I finally gave up and stepped down from the platform. I felt like I had disappointed that grey...I felt guilty for failing.
It was years later before I realized that they weren’t testing me for my ability to accomplish that, but rather they were testing to see if their psychic tether was working.
My freedom has come from the discovery of two things: first the understanding that I have free will and can (and do) say no. I tell them each night before sleep; “I am a sentient creature of the infinite creator. I have free will and you do not have the right to impose your will on me.”
And second, The higher and more pure my vibrational rate, the less able they are to interfere.
I don't think we can afford to indulge in the fantasy that someone/thing is going to rescue us. I feel (from my own experiences) that we are responsible for our own redemption and though there may be positive entites ready to offer assistance, we have to commit to walking that path first.
Anyways, these are just my own idea's from my own experiences.
Love and Light
Ki

[Dale]

My freedom has come from the discovery of two things: first the understanding that I have free will and can (and do) say no. I tell them each night before sleep; “I am a sentient creature of the infinite creator. I have free will and you do not have the right to impose your will on me.”
And second, The higher and more pure my vibrational rate, the less able they are to interfere.

I'd say that your comments are key for anyone encountering abduction situations. Free will is a powerful force, as is a strong spirit.

[wynderer]

Ki, it was not /is not a fantasy that the power of the Living Christ stopped the abductions for me

also, i was fighting them from the time i was at least 5 or 6 years old -- i didn't have to learn that i have free will -- i was using it, free will, from as early as i can remember, to resist -- i'm glad that you yourself did learn this , about having free will -- better late than never, yes?

[NancyV]

Nancy, It is wonderful to have your contributions.

Without prying too much, and from your previous posts, it sounds like your husband worked for a private security contractor, who occasionally did work at Watertown. I have acquaintances in similar positions who also don't wish to talk too much about it. I believe what you say about his energetic signature being a deterrent. I have been told that I too have such an energetic signature, positive, but powerful enough to deter those who would mean me harm.
Thank you, Hiram. [deleted]

Many of us also cannot determine whether ET's are good or evil or both. But I do agree with Wynderer and Ki, we can say NO and choose to not cooperate with them. Sometimes it takes many years to develop that ability and until then you might be abducted multiple times.

I don't feel that I need ANY supposedly advanced being or "god" to "help" me. I have my direct connection to God the Source, and no one needs to interpret that for me. ET's are probably much like other dimensional beings and can be overcome by intense will power. Other dimensionals can be overcome or merged with using intense love (as a weapon). I think it's good to have very intense energy and a centered and powerful sense of your SELF. Although cooperation can be nice, I never bow down to any being, human, ET or other dimensional, and I will not be intimidated by or fearful of even the most powerful of negative or demonic beings and/or ET's. After all, the worst they can do to you is to disable (kill) your body and that wouldn't bother me one little bit!! LOL Our souls are eternal and all powerful and when we are released from the body we continue on with this grand adventure.

Nancy :)

[Carmody]

Nancy, It is wonderful to have your contributions.

Without prying too much, and from your previous posts, it sounds like your husband worked for a private security contractor, who occasionally did work at Watertown. I have acquaintances in similar positions who also don't wish to talk too much about it.

I believe what you say about his energetic signature being a deterrent. I have been told that I too have such an energetic signature, positive, but powerful enough to deter those who would mean me harm.

If you have your full birth information, check out your personal energy levels via 'Frank Burn's Astromart' program. You can use the online site or download the program. Mine is in the 4500 range, which is non linear in scope (the range) and most people hover in the 500 range. Depending on how it is expressed, I am either 4 or 8 deviations off the norm.

[wynderer]

Hi Nancy -- re your:
But I do agree with Wynderer and Ki, we can say NO and choose to not cooperate with them. Sometimes it takes many years to develop that ability and until then you might be abducted multiple times.

i just wanted to clarify that i knew from the beginning, as a small child, that what my abductors was doing was wrong, & said NO from the git-go -- i'm sure i was known as 'un-cooperative' -- & --repeating myself again -- it was the Power in the Name of Christ Jesus that stopped the abductions, not my strong will/sense of self/energy level/etc

this might be a good time to bring up again that Linda Moulton Howe & others have observed that it is only the Name of Jesus that stops abductions -- no other name does -- all the ET groups who communicate thru channelers all seem to have something to say about Jesus, tho they don't comment on other religious leaders

it's generally those w/a lot of 'juice' -- a lot of energy, psychic & otherwise --who are abducted to begin with , at least for special purposes, like getting the genetics for hybrids & clones , or trying out new mind control stuff --w/the entire human race under their control, they have the pick of the litter, so to speak -- somewhere i posted that the MUFON investigator i talked w/re the abduction i woke up in, answered me Yes when i asked him if most of the abductees he'd talked to were highly intelligent

i hope both you & your husband make good progress in discerning evil from good in the times to come

[Carmody]

Re: the thread title, which is what I'm posting about....

Instead of trying to prove that they do exist via reasoning it out, rather... turn the chessboard around and note that it is logically (especially with the latest science and data involved) impossible to disprove their existence.

[wynderer]

Re: the thread title, which is what I'm posting about....

Instead of trying to prove that they do exist via reasoning it out, rather... turn the chessboard around and note that it is logically (especially with the latest science and data involved) impossible to disprove their existence.

or -- go by your own experience[s], or your own intuition of whom to trust re their stories of their experiences

[truthseekerdan]

Alien Message On BBC News?

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[Multiverses]

Thank you Hiram for the welcome. I am pleased to be here.

I play if you will in many dimensions and multiverses, so decided on the name when the computer rejected Sheila, my given name.!!

I look forward to getting to know people here, and belonging to a like minded community.

I find the 'Time Lords' as I refer to them [Not a DR Who fan] are one of the more unpleasant energies I have ever dealt with, and appear to believe that they are the controlling factor in the majority of things. Some times they find they are wrong lol, and that 'your just one of those female things doesnt quite cut it.

There appear to be a higher proportion of Cosmic rather than Galactic energies around of late, and more who have traveled greater distances to make contact.

Peace love and light

Sheila

[Carmody]

Thank you Hiram for the welcome. I am pleased to be here.

I play if you will in many dimensions and multiverses, so decided on the name when the computer rejected Sheila, my given name.!!

There appear to be a higher proportion of Cosmic rather than Galactic energies around of late, and more who have traveled greater distances to make contact.

Peace love and light

Sheila

Way Cool!

It sure is an absolute blast, isn't it?

Only problem, is that it makes 'just' being in your physical body a lot like being forced to do the dishes (Again! Carp!), for the 20,000th time. It's boring and you pout and grumble/mutter a lot.

[lightblue]

carmody:
Only problem, is that it makes 'just' being in your physical body a lot like being forced to do the dishes (Again! Carp!), for the 20,000th time. It's boring and you pout and grumble/mutter a lot.

i think it's always best to speak for oneself... :wink: l


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[RedeZra]

ET is home and not here

ED is here


does it matter if it is ET or ED

duh

of course it does


it makes all the difference

[Hiram]

If you have your full birth information, check out your personal energy levels via 'Frank Burn's Astromart' program. You can use the online site or download the program. Mine is in the 4500 range, which is non linear in scope (the range) and most people hover in the 500 range. Depending on how it is expressed, I am either 4 or 8 deviations off the norm.

Thanks Carmody,

Like all that you post, I will certainly give this some thought.

I am a fellow explorer:)

[Hiram]

Thank you Hiram for the welcome. I am pleased to be here.

I play if you will in many dimensions and multiverses, so decided on the name when the computer rejected Sheila, my given name.!!

I look forward to getting to know people here, and belonging to a like minded community.

I find the 'Time Lords' as I refer to them [Not a DR Who fan] are one of the more unpleasant energies I have ever dealt with, and appear to believe that they are the controlling factor in the majority of things. Some times they find they are wrong lol, and that 'your just one of those female things doesnt quite cut it.

There appear to be a higher proportion of Cosmic rather than Galactic energies around of late, and more who have traveled greater distances to make contact.

Peace love and light

Sheila


Its amazing the little blue jewel attracts so much attention. It is a very special place in my opinion, though in many measures prototypical. There are probably many Earth-like planets, but I have this inkling down in my Ghost-bones that there is only one Gaia.

Speaking of Time Lords.....well I don't want to get off track for this thread.

Multiverse, you should start a thread talking about the forces you feel are interacting here lately. I would be very interested to read it.

[Mandala]

I believe they exist, and I always have. I know in my heart they exist, but I've never had a personal encounter. I have seen a couple in the sky. I also know of people who claim to be abducted, and it wasn't pretty. I have also read many accounts and have seen the videos and still pictures. Does that prove they exist? To me it does, because what I saw in the sky wasn't anything that we have, unless it was black ops and reverse engineered.

That being said, I believe we cut some deals for technology with the ETs. We signed treaties, allowing them to experiment on certain groups of people. They have taken skin. blood, sperm, and egg cells. I have had vivid dreams of being on these ships, watching these experiments and being paralyzed with fear. I think there are many species, some with good intentions and others with nasty, selfish intentions. Those negative entities are only interested in benefiting themselves.

Some of the big money folks, also called the powers that be, are the ones that are calling the shots for all of us, making the deals and reaping big money from arranging deals and keeping this knowledge from the public. I can't wait for disclosure. Humans have a right to know.

[HORIZONS]

I would have a very difficult time trusting any information - official or not - that has to do with "disclosure". A great delusion comes to mind.

[Mandala]

You do have a point, it could be a false flag event.

[cloud9]

I do believe ETs exist but it bothers me a lot that after so many years and even with today's technology, so far nobody has real proof, not even a picture or video; the ones that seem possible are debunked after a while so what's left?
I've read so many books, seen so many documentaries and so on, all seems very good but... it's always the story somebody told, stories that most of the time seem dreams.

Now, the people who have been abducted tell their experiences that are so scary and brutal, just a very few have nice stories of love and light... it always lets me wondering why, why such a small percentage of the population have been contacted, abducted or else and quite frankly all abductees' stories seem more like nightmares and I say this with all due respect just trying to be objective; not even them who have had direct contact have any proof to show which is very discouraging.

Why after so many years and so many stories the only more or less accurate description we have is of the greys, a few more tales here and there about nordics or plejarians and even fewer from some other races...

If ETs wanted us to know about them, wouldn't they already left something physical something for us to see? And for us I mean the general population, they sure know how our minds work and our level of knowledge.

So far, everything seems just nice theories, so many and diverse in fact that it's very hard to discern about them, every book, movie or researcher has a different take about our origins and human history, very confusing indeed.

Could it be that the big picture is actually the opposite of what we are being lead to believe?

What about if all of those theories have roots on disinformation and have been created for us to entertain the idea of us being visited when in reality we haven't been?

If it is possible the annunaki time traveled to plant tablets and other artifacts in Summer for us to believe we were created by them, what about other places around the world? And by the way, so far I haven't found a description of the annunaki, some people say they are the reptilians, the giants, the nephilims, the nordics even the plejarians and so on.

If any of you have more compelling information, please share. I've come to a point where some days I'm starting to think this whole thing is just BS and I'm wasting my time concerning myself with all of this when the "sleeping sheep" are just living their lives without a care about any of this subjects in top of the normal worries of daily life. I've been thinking if my valuable time wouldn't be better spent learning something else as a new skill or language.

Am I going insane or I am recuperating from insanity? What do you sincerely think?

[Jnana]

I do believe ETs exist but it bothers me a lot that after so many years and even with today's technology, so far nobody has real proof, not even a picture or video; the ones that seem possible are debunked after a while so what's left?

Try not to think in terms of proof, but rather in terms of patterns of evidence. Even a physical object can be faked. But, can independent testimony from people all over the world be faked? There are plenty of pictures and videos out there that are legitimate AND they have been "debunked". Don't take the word of some guy that's been paid to raise doubt in the mind of the public whenever something amazing, like the Phoenix Lights, happens. A lot of the lame excuses used for "debunking" are laughable.

What's left? See for yourself. Ask the ETs to show themselves to you and see what happens. Or go to ECETI or CSETI if you want a group setting and see what there is to see.

[Hiram]

Good point.

I agree completely. I am not waiting for irrefutable proof becuase just like many on this board, I have all the "proof" I need. How is that? Because Proof is a different concept to each person.


I think what Cloud9 is referring to is what many skeptics refer to as irrefutable proof, but exactly what is irrefutable proof?

Could someone produce evidence of any experience and convince any hardened skeptic had that event indeed occured?

Think about it.

If I tell you I have just returned from the grocery store....how can I prove this to you? By showing you a reciept for groceries? A receipt could be faked.
What if I show you groceries? I could have obtained those anywhere.
I could show you security footage of me supposedly entering the grocery store and walking around. Would that prove that I was there? Well video footage can be faked....very convincingly as we all know.

At some point any reasoned person should look at the accumulated evidence all together, and combined with what they know of my character, make a reasoned decision that I probably came from the grocery store.

People must proceed on all that they know to be true from their own experience, on the personal faith in those who they trust, and finally on reasoned intuition.

There is no "proof". An alien craft could literally fly over the Whitehouse, be detected on radar, be seen by hundreds of witnesses and photographed by the local paper....and people would still ask the next morning:

"Gee, I wonder if there are such things as Aliens." In fact this scenario indeed happened in 1952.

When the reality of the phenomenon chooses to make itself known to one and all, we will know. There will be no need for proof at that point. Proof that can be debated.

No, we will have much more to argue about on that day.

[HORIZONS]

I do believe ETs exist but it bothers me a lot that after so many years and even with today's technology, so far nobody has real proof, not even a picture or video; the ones that seem possible are debunked after a while so what's left?
I've read so many books, seen so many documentaries and so on, all seems very good but... it's always the story somebody told, stories that most of the time seem dreams.

Now, the people who have been abducted tell their experiences that are so scary and brutal, just a very few have nice stories of love and light... it always lets me wondering why, why such a small percentage of the population have been contacted, abducted or else and quite frankly all abductees' stories seem more like nightmares and I say this with all due respect just trying to be objective; not even them who have had direct contact have any proof to show which is very discouraging.

Why after so many years and so many stories the only more or less accurate description we have is of the greys, a few more tales here and there about nordics or plejarians and even fewer from some other races...

If ETs wanted us to know about them, wouldn't they already left something physical something for us to see? And for us I mean the general population, they sure know how our minds work and our level of knowledge.

So far, everything seems just nice theories, so many and diverse in fact that it's very hard to discern about them, every book, movie or researcher has a different take about our origins and human history, very confusing indeed.

Could it be that the big picture is actually the opposite of what we are being lead to believe?

What about if all of those theories have roots on disinformation and have been created for us to entertain the idea of us being visited when in reality we haven't been?

If it is possible the annunaki time traveled to plant tablets and other artifacts in Summer for us to believe we were created by them, what about other places around the world? And by the way, so far I haven't found a description of the annunaki, some people say they are the reptilians, the giants, the nephilims, the nordics even the plejarians and so on.

If any of you have more compelling information, please share. I've come to a point where some days I'm starting to think this whole thing is just BS and I'm wasting my time concerning myself with all of this when the "sleeping sheep" are just living their lives without a care about any of this subjects in top of the normal worries of daily life. I've been thinking if my valuable time wouldn't be better spent learning something else as a new skill or language.

Am I going insane or I am recuperating from insanity? What do you sincerely think?

I am in the same boat as you - yet I try to keep an open mind to it all - there are many possibilities to this mystery - especially the mystery of life.

[dreamchaser]

abducted tell their experiences that are so scary and brutal, just a very few have nice stories of love and light... it always lets me wondering why, why such a small percentage of the population have been contacted, abducted or else and quite frankly all abductees' stories seem more like nightmares and I say this with all due respect just trying to be objective; not even them who have had direct contact have any proof to show which is very discouraging.

If ETs wanted us to know about them, wouldn't they already left something physical something for us to see? And for us I mean the general population

Perhaps therein lies the REAL truth as to what most believe. Ive entertained the same thoughts myself. IF there really ARE alien races here, on Earth then why havent they shown themselves to everyone? Quite arrogant, in my humble opinion, to think we are that important. But for me, now, physical proof is besides the point. I believe we have to find proof in our hearts first! For how can we reach out far enough to touch another soul if we cant/wont reach IN far enough first. As far as i can see there HAS to be that balance first!!

But perhaps I am wrong! :)

[wynderer]

i have no proof that any of you exist -- for all i know, Bill writes all the posts

it is possible, tho, that none of what we call ETs , or who call themselves ETs, are actually extraterrestial -- Jacques Vallee & some other researchers have concluded that these 'ETs' are actually from the astral planes , demonic etc, just messing w/human minds using tech imagery to suit the times &current human expectations/gullibility

w/the way humans treat animals , creating a powerful force field of cruelty & resultant immense pain & suffering around Earth, it does seem that Earth would attract very low-vibration beings

[Kulapops]

cloud 9 .. I resonate with your post entirely... 'why not learn a skill...' etc. It's for this reason exactly I created the Pledge thread... so whatever you plan to do.. go stick something on there... and we'll hold you to it...

;)

Because when you add up all the hours you spent researching this stuff... you can start to feel very queasy indeed... :)

[Hiram]

A person can question one's own belief's and philosophy all they wish. That is healthy, that is something which I would call "good".

Nevertheless, if one's heart and spirit are filled with curiosity and wonder about a subject, no amount of minimizing, or trying to forget about it will diminish that. You will simply end up coming back to it...eventually.

For this reason, when I am struck with thoughts of "Am I really just pursuing a mirage on the distant horizon?" I always turn back briefly and look upon the desert behind me, before once again allowing hope and faith to take over.

I have faith in the power of wonder. I won't diminish it, I won't forget it. I trust that above all things. To me it is pure love and joy. It is sacred. It is holy.


I keep walking toward that image on the horizon.

[Carmody]

read my last post (post 104, iirc)in the soul harvester thread. It shines a bit 'o light in this thread as well.

[cloud9]

Dear Jnana,
So far all of us have been "content" with no proof because in our hearts and minds the existence of life outside the earth it's just common sense but.... isn't it already time for something more? I dunno, perhaps I'm just wearing my skeptic hat these days.

[wynderer]

Dear Jnana,
So far all of us have been "content" with no proof because in our hearts and minds the existence of life outside the earth it's just common sense but.... isn't it already time for something more? I dunno, perhaps I'm just wearing my skeptic hat these days.

have you seen any ships, Cloud9? -- sometimes people forget seeing them -- the memories are wiped out -- but so many people i've talked to -- regular people , on the bus or whatever -- have seen them, or have a friend or family member who has seen them

tho i do think --repeating myself here -- that , since the NWO pretty much controls Earth's airspace, the ships /'UFOs' we see are those of beings either hostile to humans, or, as John Lear said, i think in his PC interview, they are the ships of beings coming to Earth to watch the grand spectacle of the humans destroying themselves w/primitive weapons

[cloud9]

Dear Hiram,
I agree with you 100%, in fact I use the same kind of examples every time I need to make a point about the existence of ETs or any other experiences I or other people have had but still... some days I just want a little more, this is such a big issue for all humanity, perhaps I'm not expecting irrefutable proof such as an UFO landing in my front yard or Central Park but more communication between them and us; I mean millions of people believe in their existence, why not to make contact at least with those? I really don't know what but I'd like to see more, it seems to me a good timing for them to show up somehow. The sad thing is that many people are having contact via abduction with the bad guys, where are the good ones? Are there good ETs and who are they?

[cloud9]

Thank you Kula,
actually today I had a great idea and I think I'll be learning something new and spending less time with the space guys.
Usually I'm quite happy with my beliefs but for some days I've been thinking if I could be wrong, the only person around me who thinks like me is my sister and even her is getting tired of it.

[cloud9]

wynderer,
I've seen a few "weird" lights in the sky now and then but I would never dare to say they're UFO's, actually I did once and I was so happy I finally saw one I told every one; to my despair next day somebody told me it was some planetary something I didn't know about it because I don't watch tv and don't read the paper so all I did was to look really stupid and ignorant.
I've had some strange experiences related to time and lately I've had what I think are downloads of some kind of information while sleeping, when I wake up in the middle of the night I can see with the corner of my eyes some kind of cylindrical shape made out of symbols I can't recognize and I am in the center of the cylinder, if I get out of bed the cylindrical shape goes with me everywhere, after that I can see the symbols with eyes closed or open for a few minutes.

[RedeZra]

I do believe ETs exist

Am I going insane or I am recuperating from insanity? What do you sincerely think?

common sense says we are not alone - if here is life then there is life

I sense the alien agenda is playing on this common sense factor n twist the truth about these elusive entities

according to abductions n possessions something is visiting but perhaps it is sinister spirits after all

since mind is over matter it's not so hard for spirits to shape-shift n morph into a form to impress it on our minds

TPTB is at the top of the world becuse of high intelligence secrecy n the ability to think plot n decide moves several years n moves before making it

they are playing the world as chess and are grand masters of the game


so a soul with little knowledge of truth not attached to faith and an awareness of God will simply see the game unfolding n not know why n whatfor


lemme suggest a shift of focus from aliens to saints

[wynderer]

common sense says we are not alone - if here is life then there is life

I sense the alien agenda is playing on this common sense factor n twist the truth about these elusive entities

according to abductions n possessions something is visiting but perhaps it is sinister spirits after all

since mind is over matter it's not so hard for spirits to shape-shift n morph into a form to impress it on our minds

TPTB is at the top of the world becuse of high intelligence secrecy n the ability to think plot n decide moves several years n moves before making it

they are playing the world as chess and are grand masters of the game


so a soul with little knowledge of truth not attached to faith and an awareness of God will simply see the game unfolding n not know why n whatfor


lemme suggest a shift of focus from aliens to saints

i do consider this p.o.v., RedeZra -- that 'ETs' are actually just the modern manifestation of demonic entities -- Jacques Vallee & John Keel both came to this conclusion -- a while ago i re-read Colin Wilson's 'Alien Dawn' , & was reminded of how mean & nasty a lot of these 'ETs' have been to humans --

& almost all 'benevolent' ET contact is thru channeling or in people's dreams, or while they are hypnotized or in some other altered state of consciousness -- all of these so easy to manipulate, & the mind control in other areas is well documented

then there's the picture of the demon that A Crowley drew, the one he called forth, that looks like a grey -- & a while ago you posted something about John Todd -- i remember watching a video where he said that his sister, i think, who was a satanist, used to laugh at people who got all excited about seeing a UFO, because she had summoned them, those UFOs, from demonic realms

however -- then i look at photos of space -- like the Hubble photos -- & i do find it difficult to believe that even just in that 3D universe we see in the photos -- so big & so beautiful -- there must be other beings out there who are conscious -- i do hope that Earth humans aren't the best that the Creator/God can do/has done when it comes to creating 'intelligent' life

[RedeZra]

however -- then i look at photos of space -- like the Hubble photos -- & i do find it difficult to believe that even just in that 3D universe we see in the photos -- so big & so beautiful -- there must be other beings out there who are conscious -- i do hope that Earth humans aren't the best that the Creator/God can do/has done when it comes to creating 'intelligent' life

hehe we can do better as we don't live up to expectations

God gave us this blue jewel in the sky and He has a necklace of them

life is the rule n creation is endless

we are not alone


but someone is busy suppressing n twisting truths about us the universe n everything in it

God has our best interest at heart but there are powers n principalities that would like to see us stumble n fall as they fell from grace

[shadowstalker]

I believe they are out there, due to personal experience..

As for what they are up to?

It would be unfair of me to slot them altogether, as most do, they are as we, with there own individual agenda, good or bad, depending up the individual E.T., or E.T. group, encountered.
To site them as all being bad, would be to do the same for us on this planet, this is not the case we are not all bad. To say they are all good is just as bad, as not every one on this planet is good..

To many people pass judgment due to there fears, even the so called spiritual.
Which is a shame in the end, as we are all here to learn, And learning not to pass judgment is part of the process.
we are here to learn so many things in so little time that we forget who we truly are and that is spirit along side the E.T. for they are spirit as well learning the same things, depending upon spiritual level and agenda.
We all learn in our own personal timing, this is where patients comes in.

So to me it doesn't matter what I think on there agenda, because not all are the same.

[Brian O'Brit]

I see no reason why we think our planet is unique to have life forms at the level we are. It is likely that zillions of trillions of ET's exist in this universe alone. Each in their created order and estate.