The state of play and 6th dimension STO's...Here and no further..

[K626]

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We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

[annemirri]

We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

How many months do we have left ? how long are those months ? as the months in Mayan calendar are different.

What is "the pattern" ? A pattern of behaviour ? A pattern of destroying life ?
Honestly, I do not understand this. Maybe this is too complicated a way of telling something ?

What is NWO ? New World Order...could I join in as a member ? or is it too abstract a concept to join in ?
Maybe, I could meet some members by hanging around in London pubs near the City ?

How do you K626 know that
"NWO has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated" ?

Where do you get that information ? classified ? of course.
It is same as "no comment". It leads nowhere.

Discuss with us teacher, please, do not leave us here with our questions ! We need answers.
a.

[K626]

The pattern is the last cycle when earth biogenics reaches tipping point (where we are now): a low resonating species that isn't moving up in the alloted time and is severely endangering the receptive biomass (earth). The vibrational field that lets us live here (against all the odds) isn't being replenished and has been shored up of late by friendly et from the future as their existence in the future is to some extent reliant on their existence in the past (now). We get erased and it effects the whole time line.

The future is in danger from the past to simplify. We have been given grace many times, due to the fact that as a species we are unique - UNIQUE. This uniqueness is what gives us massive potential but it also gives us great weaknesses. The earthquakes and the wierding of sun spot activity and the magnetic changes in our galactic field is at t point where if we were receptive - it would be coming close to the time we may move up (so all is not lost)....ALL IS NOT LOST.

The hook though is this...The retrieval and correction system is already being deployed and can't be recalled by US, ET, THE LIGHT BEING or any other thing...It is automated...We've been erased before...



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[Wood]

The hook though is this...The retrieval and correction system is already being deployed and can't be recalled by US, ET, THE LIGHT BEING or any other thing...It is automated...We've been erased before...

I agree with annemirri here. Please tell us how do you know about these things and what does that 'being erased' mean. It sounds like an euphemism for either genocide or regression to a primitive state. It might be positive (hopefully it is) but it does not sound like that at all.

EDIT: Maybe sometimes I seem to be a bit harsh. That is not what I want. I think it has to do with my interest in the truth and with the fact that english is not my first language :)

[truthseekerdan]

The pattern is the last cycle when earth biogenics reaches tipping point (where we are now): a low resonating species that isn't moving up in the alloted time and is severely endangering the receptive biomass (earth). The vibrational field that lets us live here (against all the odds) isn't being replenished and has been shored up of late by friendly et from the future as their existence in the future is to some extent reliant on their existence in the past (now). We get erased and it effects the whole time line.

K626, with all due respect where did you find (get) this info? To me it seems that no time line has been erased or at least adjusted... :eek: For example: No Disclosure, No Free Energy, etc.

The future is in danger from the past to simplify. We have been given grace many times, due to the fact that as a species we are unique - UNIQUE. This uniqueness is what gives us massive potential but it also gives us great weaknesses. The earthquakes and the wierding of sun spot activity and the magnetic changes in our galactic field is at t point where if we were receptive - it would be coming close to the time we may move up (so all is not lost)....ALL IS NOT LOST.

I see and agree to a point. However, the most important thing to do now IMHO is to pay attention to OUR spiritual awakening (growth) and live "the moment" and "not in fear". Doing that, we'll BE more positive and more receptive to transcend with the New Earth.

The hook though is this...The retrieval and correction system is already being deployed and can't be recalled by US, ET, THE LIGHT BEING or any other thing...It is automated...We've been erased before...

:flame:



With Love,

[rosie]

Yes, this play may be finishing up, but the curtain call has not come yet. I believe there are more actors waiting to shine, and they are in the process of gathering their new scripts, rewriting like crazy.

The good news is that this "uniqueness" that is ours, is eternal. No one can ever get "rid" of us. It is their fear mongering at best, to make us feel insignificant.

This type of tactic they are using is very barbaric, and shows a a lack of knowledge to the bigger picture.

Drop the "fear" and all is good.

[josie]

Yes, this play may be finishing up, but the curtain call has not come yet. I believe there are more actors waiting to shine, and they are in the process of gathering their new scripts, rewriting like crazy.

The good news is that this "uniqueness" that is ours, is eternal. No one can ever get "rid" of us. It is their fear mongering at best, to make us feel insignificant.

This type of tactic they are using is very barbaric, and shows a a lack of knowledge to the bigger picture.

Drop the "fear" and all is good.

well said rosie, thank you!

"the play's the thing..." hamlet

[kriya]

I don't believe for one moment that we will be erased.

It won't happen. But I do believe at some point, hard times will befall our planet earth.

[annemirri]

I am so angry at myself, as my english is not that good,
so I had to use google translate many times in order to figure out what you are saying here.
Did not help much.

I have that feeling, or knowing, that what you are actually writing here is of
HIGH IMPORTANCE, but the way you write it is not always clear to others, or at least not to me.

So, if you do not mind, I kind of play with legoblocks here, one block at a time.

6th dimensional STOs,
what is STO ?
space tasking order ? service to others ? stating the obvious ? short term observers ?like ET?

Honestly, I do not know, but I want to learn.





The pattern is the last cycle when earth biogenics reaches tipping point (where we are now):

a low resonating species that isn't moving up in the alloted time and is severely endangering the receptive biomass (earth).

Biogenics (substance) is a substance produced by life process.

Bio mass is a renewable energy source,
a biological material derived from living, or recently living organisms,
(commonly plant matter grown to generate electricity or produce heat).

a.

[annemirri]

The vibrational field that lets us live here (against all the odds)

isn't being replenished and has been shored up of late by friendly et from the future

as their existence in the future is to some extent reliant on their existence in the past (now).



These sentences I do understand.

There is something very strange going on with our vibrational field and timeline,
I do have some experiences of my own being separated from this timeline and "frequency",
vibrational field.

a.

[truthseekerdan]

6th dimensional STOs,
what is STO ?
space tasking order ? service to others ? stating the obvious ? short term observers ?like ET?

Honestly, I do not know, but I want to learn.

a.

Anne, I had to jump in here for this one... I believe K626 is referring to "service to others" = STO
Hope I'm right. Cheers!

[annemirri]

Anne, I had to jump in here for this one... I believe K626 is referring to "service to others" = STO
Hope I'm right. Cheers!

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.

[MorningSong]

annemirri, you are so funny... because what you are saying is SO TRUE!

I, myself, am having a hard time keeping track of what K626 is trying to say, and my mother tongue is English!

Bless your sweet heart!

I, too, have a hard time with the "stupid" abbreviations!

Love ya!

[dAkapacity]

K626,

Asap 6-D ET STO's w/ EMV's vs tptwtb's NWO... imo ok!


Pz,
xxdA.


PS: :madgrin::madgrin::madgrin: Just had to do it...

[Gita]

I completely understand where you’re coming from K. It’s not always so easy to make others understand unless there’s already a knowing within. I’ve come to a point in life where I’m not bothered either way whether others get it or not – if they’re meant to get it then they will otherwise they just aren’t meant to. It’s quite deep but yet so simple. Makes much sense to me. Am I prepared to justify myself to others about what I instinctively know? Absolutely not. :smokin::whoo:

Am I bovered? (English humour):p :pleasantry:

[truthseekerdan]

K626,

Asap 6-D ET STO's w/ EMV's vs tptwtb's NWO... imo ok!


Pz,
xxdA.


PS: :madgrin::madgrin::madgrin: Just had to do it...

You're hilarious just like your avatar... :laugh:

[dAkapacity]

You're hilarious just like your avatar... :laugh:

Thanx TSD!
Sometimes it's better to just get to the point immediately... who needs more than one line for doing so anyway? :sarcastic:

No really, I dig the message in general, but some elaboration on the topic might help to understand it somewhat better!

Pz,
xxdA.

[lightpotential]

"the play's the thing..." hamlet

I am more inclined to Julius Caesar on this (when they all surround Cinna): "Tear him to pieces, he's a conspirator."

[Rocky_Shorz]

Maybe I can help translate...

The ETs have told The Powers That Be, that wiping out 85% of the world population isn't an option...

It's sink or swim time and we are all in this together...

Will the haves continue to sit on their piles of gold watching the have nots suffer?

Or will they realize for the good of man kind and this planet that it is time to come together to make it through the trying times ahead...

So many things happening...

Iran just lost their control over Iraq...
The people of Iran are rising up ready to throw out the leaders put in place by TPTBs

all their careful plans are falling apart right before their eyes...

Universal Health care...
Successful Nuclear arms talks between US and Russia...

To survive there must be peace and compassion...

The Mandate is written... and it is approaching fast...

tick... tick... tick...

final Man date - December 21, 2012...

Are you ready?

[annemirri]

I completely understand where you’re coming from K. I

t’s not always so easy to make others understand unless there’s already a knowing within.

I’ve come to a point in life where I’m not bothered either way whether others get it or not – if they’re meant to get it then they will otherwise they just aren’t meant to.

It’s quite deep but yet so simple.

Gita,

I quote here what you wrote on timetravel thread

" this is a place for discussion and knowledge
not a platform for your dramas.
I’m not interested in that kind of drama and I suggest if you are then post on AV1. "

If you completely understand what K626 is writing,
why draw attention to yourself by stating the fact, isn't that creating drama?

Why not share your knowledge here, and demonstrate your understanding.

a.

[annemirri]

The ETs have told The Powers That Be, that wiping out 85% of the world population isn't an option...

It's sink or swim time and we are all in this together...

So many things happening...Iran just lost their control over Iraq...
..Universal Health care... Successful Nuclear arms talks between US and Russia...


I am not sure if the ETs have told the Powers who govern this world that wiping out
some population isn't an option,
but based on their own observations in their own institutions, science labs, whatever,
they must have come to conclusion that something is about to happen to our world,
something to do with the Sun, biogenetic fields, frequency shifts, electricity ,timelines,
all that,

and the world politcs,
Iran/Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Us/Russia... or health care... or Lehmann Brothers,
are small factors in the whole,

if we are talking about the survival of whole human race and future of this planet.
And that is what K626 may have tried to say. (phone me K626 !).

a.

[Gita]

Gita,

I quote here what you wrote on timetravel thread

" this is a place for discussion and knowledge
not a platform for your dramas.
I’m not interested in that kind of drama and I suggest if you are then post on AV1. "

If you completely understand what K626 is writing,
why draw attention to yourself by stating the fact, isn't that creating drama?

Why not share your knowledge here, and demonstrate your understanding.

a.

Stop your friction girl.:peace:


As I also said. ‘Am I bovered’!:becky:

[annemirri]

Stop your friction girl.:peace:


To be honest, I am no longer a girl,

38 years has passed from the first alien/future encounter that I can recall,
which was documented on newspapers,
investigated by policeforces, american ufoinvestigators.... But no one asked anything from me,
as I was just the shy little girl sitting in the corner.

Since then I have studied all kind of subjects from economics to law,
nursing and healing to fashion designing, read thousands of books on parapsychology,
ufos, history...and I have travelled, and I am kind of psychic.

I have experienced life, I have been guided.

I have been married, divorced, and I am a mother of two,
...what else do you want to know ?

But one thing is sure I AM NOT A GIRL, although I seem to have quite a youthful appearance.

and I know you, I have seen your face, you are fine, A GOOD GIRL,
we are all here to learn and see what is going to happen....there is no competition between us, you are younger,
and I could even be your mother.

Be Well,
a.

[annemirri]

The vibrational field that lets us live here (against all the odds)
isn't being replenished and has been shored up of late by

friendly et from the future

as their existence in the future is to some extent reliant on their existence in the past (now). .


K626,
you keep on writing about "friendly ETs from future" in posts like

"someone fom the future is watching us" or

"that someone from the future is working with or through two or three people"

What do you actually know about that ? nothing?
Where did you hear about that ?

My opinion is that there are not just two or three people on this planet who
"work with some from the future" as there are MANY,
and there are real ongoing projects to establish a connection with those future entities,
as that is the only way to keep our planet and our lives here SAFE.

And how do I know that ? I just do.

And hell, those projects MUST BE SECRET, and in the right hands.
a.

[stardustaquarion]

The "future" can be interpreted in many ways but is all happening at the same time. What we call the "future" is realy higher frequencies than ours which corresponds with other probabilities and coordinates in the space/time continuoum. Time is not linear

Some people say that it is ourselves, the ones that managed to get out of here before the destruction of the solar system in about one thousand years. They also have said that life may become rather unsustainable here within two hundred years. Its all in the internet

Why people can come from the future to stop a catastrophe here if they are still there after the catastrophe? It is because, as we have many probabilities or choices, planets and solar systems have choices too and those that came from the future "slided" to a different time continue, which means a different probability

It appears that many of us managed to "slide" (probability shifted) and some of us came back to see if more could be rescued

At this point in time, it is not likely that the solar system will be rescued, but at least it appears that the pole shift in 2012 has been averted

Love

[Gita]

To be honest, I am no longer a girl,

38 years has passed from the first alien/future encounter that I can recall,
which was documented on newspapers,
investigated by policeforces, american ufoinvestigators.... But no one asked anything from me,
as I was just the shy little girl sitting in the corner.

Since then I have studied all kind of subjects from economics to law,
nursing and healing to fashion designing, read thousands of books on parapsychology,
ufos, history...and I have travelled, and I am kind of psychic.

I have experienced life, I have been guided.

I have been married, divorced, and I am a mother of two,
...what else do you want to know ?

But one thing is sure I AM NOT A GIRL, although I seem to have quite a youthful appearance.

and I know you, I have seen your face, you are fine, A GOOD GIRL,
we are all here to learn and see what is going to happen....there is no competition between us, you are younger,
and I could even be your mother.

Be Well,
a.

Thank you for your life history but I don’t recall asking for any info but I’m glad you got a chance to get it all out and share. It’s all about sharing! Thank you for continuously visiting my page – next time don’t come empty handed – leave a message as they are always welcomed as are you my friend. x

Peace and respect to you.:peace:

[annemirri]

The "future" can be interpreted in many ways but is all happening at the same time.

Yes, it is all happening NOW at this moment,
as Time is not "concrete".




What we call the "future" is realy higher frequencies than ours which corresponds with other probabilities and coordinates in the space/time continuoum.

The future could also be lower frequencies than ours.




Time is not linear

Time consists of interlinking cycles,
there are portals that connect cycles to each other.

Wormholes are from one creation to another (one blank space to another).
through timecycles. [/QUOTE]





Some people say that it is ourselves,
the ones that managed to get out of here before the destruction of the solar system in about one thousand years.

They also have said that life may become rather unsustainable here within two hundred years. Its all in the internet

Internet is not an intelligent being, a GOD, a source of all that is,
internet is created by people who want to have their own five minutes of fame.

Life here on planet earth will become rather unsustainable in a few years,
no wonder that they (some governments) are building those underground spaces.





Why people can come from the future
to stop a catastrophe here if they are still there after the catastrophe?

as you pointed out time is not linear,
all is happening simultaneously in different cycles of time,

and this moment seems to be affecting the future lives in other time cycles.




It is because, as we have many probabilities or choices,
...different time continue, which means a different probability

There seems to be a parallel reality or world in the process of collapsing with ours.




At this point in time, it is not likely that the solar system will be rescued, but at least it appears that the pole shift in 2012 has been averted

How do you know that poleshift is averted ?

a.

[annemirri]

T
thank you for your life history ...

GITA,:baby:

and I thought that you would write

"OOOPS, I did not know that you are that OLD".:dance:

a.

[stardustaquarion]

The future could also be lower frequencies than ours.

Yes it can be lower frequencies

Internet is not an intelligent being, a GOD, a source of all that is,
internet is created by people who want to have their own five minutes of fame.

What I meant is that there are a number of authors that have published their oppinions and information regarding the time travelers, there is plenty information shared on the internet and the list will be long :) basically, anyone interested can google

and this moment seems to be affecting the future lives in other time cycles.

All moments affect all realities as they are parallel


There seems to be a parallel reality or world in the process of collapsing with ours.

That is also the conclussion of my research



How do you know that poleshift is averted ?

As I said above it is my conclussion after research, there are many other researchers/visionaries that feel in the same way.

Even Dan Buirish have said that we have jumped out of the three timelines he had mapped and that they did not know what will happen. So there is official recognicion that we have changed timelines or possible outcomes

Love

[Majorion]

Even Dan Buirish have said that we have jumped out of the three timelines he had mapped and that they did not know what will happen. So there is official recognicion that we have changed timelines or possible outcomes
Stardust, Dan Burisch has no credibility.

You're a very intelligent person, often sharing complex and imaginative views, but please don't taint it with Burisch.

[annemirri]

How do you know that poleshift is averted ?

As I said above it is my conclussion after research, there are many other researchers/visionaries that feel in the same way.

Even Dan Buirish have said that we have jumped out of the three timelines he had mapped and that they did not know what will happen. So there is official recognicion that we have changed timelines or possible outcomes


I am a "visionary"
and I see it differently, there is going to be some sort of poleshift,
after intense earthquake activity.

I believe only in my own guidance and knowing, experiences.

I have no gurus or masters, researchers on this planet to promote.

Be Well,
a.

[Gita]

GITA,:baby:

and I thought that you would write

"OOOPS, I did not know that you are that OLD".:dance:

a.


I wish you would make sense for I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. Logic is always good.

ps why have you got a dummy??!!

[annemirri]

I wish you would make sense for I just can't figure out what you're trying to say. Logic is always good.

Maybe that is just not meant for you.

a.

[Gita]

oh I see you are trying insults now - back to 'rocking the boat' again?:crazy:

Tell me, do you know the difference between age and maturity - girl? Time to press that ignore button.:hand:

[annemirri]

oh I see you are trying insults now - back to 'rocking the boat' again?:crazy:

Tell me, do you know the difference between age and maturity - girl? Time to press that ignore button.:hand:

I love people, they are funny.
Difference between age and maturity ? hmmm....maybe it has something to do with wine,
old wine is just old, good mature wine is pure heaven.

a.

[stardustaquarion]

I am a "visionary"
and I see it differently, there is going to be some sort of poleshift,
after intense earthquake activity.

I believe only in my own guidance and knowing, experiences.

I have no gurus or masters, researchers on this planet to promote.

Be Well,
a.

Hi

I didn't say that there was not going to be pole shift ever, I only said that it will not happen in 2012

I agree that there is going to be a significant amount of earth changes but we can all work together to minimize that

Nothing is cast in stone, probabilities can change and even the worse escenario can be minimized and turned better

Do you work for the secret services?

Love

[K626]

....and those that looked out and created once again looked in and in the signs they saw they understood and when they understood they could not speak for the sadness of this understanding clotted their tongues in mud and this too they understood. ...and when they came to the sea it was still and the water was dark and the sea spoke to them and they understood and they cried as they held the water of that sea...and some went atop meru and followed the light as they had done before but on the mountain the mountain ones used the mountain language of old but the people were deaf and struck with the stillness of the sea...and the old mountain ones spoke as if to themselves and nothing was understood...This was the story to come and this was the first day.

K



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[stardustaquarion]

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It appears that we have moved a lot since 1989 ;)

[annemirri]

I agree that there is going to be a significant amount of earth changes but we can all work together to minimize that

How ? What can we do ? Praying, chanting, or meditating won't help.




Do you work for the secret services?



I guess I do.

a.

[annemirri]

.

...and those that looked out and created once again

looked in and in the signs

they saw they understood and when they understood they could not speak

This was the story to come and this was the first day.



It was and it will be the first day.

And I will be there standing on top of the mountain.

Be well,
a.

[Wood]

and when they understood they could not speak for the sadness of this understanding clotted their tongues in mud and this too they understood.

I usually insist in knowing the source of these understandings. I am prepared to consider conventional research, channeled information, information given by ETs, etc. I have an open mind. I believe, though, that there is more than one source of information operating here on Earth. The point in asking for the source is not to consider the 'means' but the source itself and its 'agenda'. And I am not implying that agendas are always negative but that everybody has their own personal agenda. I personally believe nothing bad is going to happen but I would like to be able to relate each thread of information with each source.

Of course I can try to do it myself by checking the post history of everyone but it is quite time-consuming.

The GFL guys do a good job at that :) We all know they want us to get into some ships. In case that actually happens one day at least we could make an informed choice on whether or not to board them.

[stardustaquarion]

How ? What can we do ? Praying, chanting, or meditating won't help.
.

No matter what you do, raising your vibration to align with more harmonic probabilities and focusing your intent in being in those probabilities can create miracles. I know, you will ask me which evidence do I have?, well, I do what I can for the planet and in my limited scope I have seen incredible things like knocking down high winds, calling for rain and asking for dry weather if there is to much rain...the possibilities are endless

Love

[annemirri]

N

raising your vibration to align with more harmonic probabilities

and focusing your intent in being in those probabilities can create miracles. I

... have seen incredible things like knocking down high winds, calling for rain and asking for dry weather if there is to much rain...the possibilities are endless



We can change weather patterns, call for rain, all that,
but the Earth's crust, tectonic plates , magnetic fields, Sun's activity
are out of our reach or praying.

We cannot harmonize those things, nor can friendly or not that friendly aliens or ETs.

What we can do is raise our vibrations, as you wrote,
or our frequencies by positive thinking, positive attitude and,
simply, by Loving all that is.

Love is very high vibrational energy,
and it can make the cells in your body vibrate faster,
and faster until you feel lifted to higher frequency.

When you are there you feel incredible lightness of being, bliss,
the longer you can stay in that state,
the higher the possibility that your DNA will change,
and make it easier for you to sustain the state of bliss.

(but words of warning, the downfall can cause depression, even physical pain)

And as we have learned...Miracles happen in Light.

The ideal scenario is that one will find their way to "the top of the Mountain"

as K626 poetically expressed.

Good Luck,
a.

[K626]

I usually insist in knowing the source of these understandings. I am prepared to consider conventional research, channeled information, information given by ETs, etc. I have an open mind. I believe, though, that there is more than one source of information operating here on Earth. The point in asking for the source is not to consider the 'means' but the source itself and its 'agenda'. And I am not implying that agendas are always negative but that everybody has their own personal agenda. I personally believe nothing bad is going to happen but I would like to be able to relate each thread of information with each source.

Of course I can try to do it myself by checking the post history of everyone but it is quite time-consuming.

The GFL guys do a good job at that :) We all know they want us to get into some ships. In case that actually happens one day at least we could make an informed choice on whether or not to board them.

Everything that is understood is already gone. Everthing you remember has already happenned, everything that you do not understand is still here.

Meanwhile humanity shares a coda that is for now immobile and has to be carried around in bodies when its former housing was the stars.

love

K

[K626]

Maybe I can help translate...

The ETs have told The Powers That Be, that wiping out 85% of the world population isn't an option...

It's sink or swim time and we are all in this together...

Will the haves continue to sit on their piles of gold watching the have nots suffer?

Or will they realize for the good of man kind and this planet that it is time to come together to make it through the trying times ahead...

So many things happening...

Iran just lost their control over Iraq...
The people of Iran are rising up ready to throw out the leaders put in place by TPTBs

all their careful plans are falling apart right before their eyes...

Universal Health care...
Successful Nuclear arms talks between US and Russia...

To survive there must be peace and compassion...

The Mandate is written... and it is approaching fast...

tick... tick... tick...

final Man date - December 21, 2012...

Are you ready?

Time is a kind of radiation and it is on this jittery hot film that the hynosis is projected and it seeps into all of us. But time is speeding up and the projection is becoming unreliable. Karma goes into reverse, the hot wells form and pull at the timelines.

[K626]

Das Rheingold
The story begins in the depths of the Rhine river, where the three Rhinemaidens (think "mermaids") are playing in a state of primal state-of-nature innocence. Enter Alberich the Nibelung (dwarf) from a fissure beneath the earth, who spies the three and lusts after them. The Rhinemaidens taunt him and humiliate him for his ugliness and awkwardness. In his rage at being rejected, Alberich steals the Rhinegold from them, having learned that he who is willing to renounce love will thereby gain the ability to forge a ring of power from the gold. The maidens had assumed that no one in his right mind would make such a renunciation, but Alberich is enraged and wants revenge. He disappears with the gold, leaving the bereft maidens to sing a song of loss and grief that will reappear all through the four operas. Alberich forges the ring and makes himself lord over all the Nibelungen.

Meanwhile, Wotan wants a grand castle for the gods to live in as a testament to his greatness. He has contracted with the two giants Fasolt and Fafner to build him the castle. On the advice of the wily Loge, god of fire, Wotan has promised the Giants Freia, goddess of youth and beauty, in return for the building; Loge has assured Wotan that he will find him a way out of the deal. Fasolt and Fafner, having finished the castle, come for their payment. Wotan is stuck; since all his power rests on the treaties inscribed into his spear, he cannot renege on the deal, and the giants make off with the terrified Freia.

Loge, having learned of Alberich's ring, suggests to Wotan that they steal it from Alberich and offer it to the giants as a substitute payment. Wotan agrees, though he secretly plans to keep the ring for himself. The two go down into the earth to Nibelheim where the dwarves live. There Alberich has enslaved the dwarves and forced them to mine him an enormous pile of gold. Wotan and Loge succeed in kidnapping Alberich and take him back to the gods' abode on the mountain top. There they relieve Alberich of the hoard and of the ring. Alberich is as shattered by the loss of his ring.

[K626]

26th March 2010 14:33 #1
K626

Default The state of play and 6th dimension STO's...Here and no further..

We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss.


Like and old song, one that we forgot but hummed all the same.


cheers

K

[K626]

....and those that looked out and created once again looked in and in the signs they saw they understood and when they understood they could not speak for the sadness of this understanding clotted their tongues in mud and this too they understood. ...and when they came to the sea it was still and the water was dark and the sea spoke to them and they understood and they cried as they held the water of that sea...and some went atop meru and followed the light as they had done before but on the mountain the mountain ones used the mountain language of old but the people were deaf and struck with the stillness of the sea...and the old mountain ones spoke as if to themselves and nothing was understood...This was the story to come and this was the first day.





K


“When birds fall from the sky and the animals are dying, a new tribe of
people shall come unto the Earth from many colors, classes, creeds, who
by their actions and deeds shall make the Earth green again. They will
be known as the ‘Warriors of the Rainbow.’” – HOPI/MOHAWK Prophecy


K

[PurpleLama]

26th March 2010 14:33 #1
K626

Default The state of play and 6th dimension STO's...Here and no further..

We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss.


Like and old song, one that we forgot but hummed all the same.


cheers

K

I am relying on synchronicity, here:

Is it just me or is the tune an awful lot like "Auld Lang Syne"?

K, I won't ask where your info comes from, as my own "sources" have been coming at me with the same information. Word for word, step by step, hand in hand, we are moving toward the goal. It's love, folks. Somewhere I read that the first step toward harvestability was the realization that one does not understand, for this is not the density of understanding.

Also, there is but a small group connected up to the highest level et's, more than two or three, but less than ten, but each one is running multiple incarnations and as these all awaken, their voices join and we are closer and closer to manifesting a miracle in harmony that even the most forward thinking, the most imaginative of us all have not come close to conceptualizing. Occasianally we might bump into it in dreams, in meditation, but words fail us there for sure.

Part of my own working involves the sun and extra-solar objects, so, no worries there, either.

Take it or leave it, I love you either way.

[K626]

26th March 2010 14:33 #1
K626

Default The state of play and 6th dimension STO's...Here and no further..

We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss.


Like and old song, one that we forgot but hummed all the same.


cheers

K

I am relying on synchronicity, here:

Is it just me or is the tune an awful lot like "Auld Lang Syne"?

K, I won't ask where your info comes from, as my own "sources" have been coming at me with the same information. Word for word, step by step, hand in hand, we are moving toward the goal. It's love, folks. Somewhere I read that the first step toward harvestability was the realization that one does not understand, for this is not the density of understanding.

Also, there is but a small group connected up to the highest level et's, more than two or three, but less than ten, but each one is running multiple incarnations and as these all awaken, their voices join and we are closer and closer to manifesting a miracle in harmony that even the most forward thinking, the most imaginative of us all have not come close to conceptualizing. Occasianally we might bump into it in dreams, in meditation, but words fail us there for sure.

Part of my own working involves the sun and extra-solar objects, so, no worries there, either.

Take it or leave it, I love you either way.

Enjoyed reading that.

Nothing needs to be said.

Peace

K

[Jendayi]

Someone else' vision i'd like to share....


Can you point to a time in human history when events and turmoil did not exist for humanity?

What about civil wars?

Revolutions?

Is there an era when a flurry of events and yes... turmoil, wasn't going on? Somewhere?

The primary difference between then (previous to say about ten years ago) and now, is the way we find out about it.

We didn't have Twitter in the stone ages. Or during the Renaissance. Or during the Reagan years (if you live in the States)!

We didn't have the internet for the average consumer until after 1995!

We didn't have cell phones. iPods. iPads. 3G and 4G phones. We weren't able to stay abreast of a constant stream of news about events from all around the world.

Can you imagine if there had been live television crews on the scene during the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? People couldn't sit down to dinner, turn on "Breaking News" and watch that event on television. If they had, it would have created complete overwhelm. That event took place sixty years ago.

In the early 1800's the city of Chicago burned to ground. What if there were live camera crews on the scene of that event? Wouldn't it have felt - watching that - that the world was going to end?

Before guns and bullets existed there were wars. Hand-to-hand combat was going on. Nasty business.

Dear Julia, there have always been events and turmoil. AND… right on the heels of all of that, is a deep-seated desire within human beings for things to change.

The more information you have access to, the more events there seem to be. Today, you can find out if a cat farted on the other side of the world. Pardon how crude that may sound but honestly there's a video on YouTube about exactly that!

What I'm saying is, events and turmoil isn't new. WHAT IS NEW IS THIS… technology makes the rapid-fire distribution of information the norm. Today people can watch live news feeds - in real time - as events occur.

The idea the world is in a "special" state of disarray during our lifetime in particular, is a sure-fire way to fall into a state of anxiety or inner terror and then, without realizing it, become susceptible to every suggestion that comes along, for how to fix it.

It's easy to believe one's particular situation is "special". Either especially good. Or especially bad. A closer look, without peering through any filters of suggestion, we may find it's not true.
source (and more) : http://www.mayan-calendar-nexus.com/the-spiritual-awakening.html

[K626]

The hook though is this...The retrieval and correction system is already being deployed and can't be recalled by US, ET, THE LIGHT BEING or any other thing...It is automated...We've been erased before...

I agree with annemirri here. Please tell us how do you know about these things and what does that 'being erased' mean. It sounds like an euphemism for either genocide or regression to a primitive state. It might be positive (hopefully it is) but it does not sound like that at all.

EDIT: Maybe sometimes I seem to be a bit harsh. That is not what I want. I think it has to do with my interest in the truth and with the fact that english is not my first language :)

Race memory.


cheers

K

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Yes, this play may be finishing up, but the curtain call has not come yet. I believe there are more actors waiting to shine, and they are in the process of gathering their new scripts, rewriting like crazy.

The good news is that this "uniqueness" that is ours, is eternal. No one can ever get "rid" of us. It is their fear mongering at best, to make us feel insignificant.

This type of tactic they are using is very barbaric, and shows a a lack of knowledge to the bigger picture.

Drop the "fear" and all is good.

False histories is the main root of fear and control.

Everything is possible we and the universe are one.

Love

K

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I don't believe for one moment that we will be erased.

It won't happen. But I do believe at some point, hard times will befall our planet earth.

We cannot be erased the thing that is us is eternal.

But the knowledge of who we are can and has been.

3 times before.

love

K

[Carmody]

Even Dan Buirish have said that we have jumped out of the three timelines he had mapped and that they did not know what will happen. So there is official recognicion that we have changed timelines or possible outcomes
Stardust, Dan Burisch has no credibility.

You're a very intelligent person, often sharing complex and imaginative views, but please don't taint it with Burisch.

the problem is that..Dan's testimony regarding stargates and yellowbook fits the leading edge of public science and math regarding the manufacture and operational parameters of such suggested devices.

That..is a problem, with regarding dismissing everything he says. Those technical components of his interviews are not dismissable.

[K626]

The ETs have told The Powers That Be, that wiping out 85% of the world population isn't an option...

It's sink or swim time and we are all in this together...

So many things happening...Iran just lost their control over Iraq...
..Universal Health care... Successful Nuclear arms talks between US and Russia...


I am not sure if the ETs have told the Powers who govern this world that wiping out
some population isn't an option,
but based on their own observations in their own institutions, science labs, whatever,
they must have come to conclusion that something is about to happen to our world,
something to do with the Sun, biogenetic fields, frequency shifts, electricity ,timelines,
all that,

and the world politcs,
Iran/Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Us/Russia... or health care... or Lehmann Brothers,
are small factors in the whole,

if we are talking about the survival of whole human race and future of this planet.
And that is what K626 may have tried to say. (phone me K626 !).

a.

This timeline is a most important link.


IF it cannot be saved many others are connected to it and it is why they watch so.



cheers

K

[ulli]

I'm not yet 100% sure if their greatest fear is a planetary upheaval or anarchy.
The type of anarchy that would follow a total collapse of their ancient institutions.

Maybe it's a mixture of both, with a only a few believing in a pole shift scenario.

No one can know for sure, not with all the money in the world.
If the military chain of command is interrupted their weapons might get into the "wrong" hands.

In the pharma industry, if the people who are handling top secrets keep wanting to join the other side,
who knows what virus threats will be unleashed causing global plagues.

So what might be their biggest concern is people defecting and hence trustworthiness.

[K626]

I'm not yet 100% sure if their greatest fear is a planetary upheaval or anarchy.
The type of anarchy that would follow a total collapse of their ancient institutions.

Maybe it's a mixture of both, with a only a few believing in a pole shift scenario.

No one can know for sure, not with all the money in the world.
If the military chain of command is interrupted their weapons might get into the "wrong" hands.

In the pharma industry, if the people who are handling top secrets keep wanting to join the other side,
who knows what virus threats will be unleashed causing global plagues.

So what might be their biggest concern is people defecting and hence trustworthiness.

Hi Ulli,

I like the way you think. May I ask where you are from?

Think they mean to teach us a lesson, they are told (and it is shared amonst the 7 or so ruling cabals) that unless the lesson is handed out we simply will refuse to play along.

On the other hand there is dissnetion amongst all groups and specifically two of them (The Chinese and their new ET contacts and the Breakaway group from the Euro bloodlines).

The most vigorous and dangerous I am told is the Bohemian group and all that Baphomet (the androgonous pre-christ), it is their work we see at play planet wide in this timeframe.

I mention these things because you hit the nail on the head with regard to defections. ;)

This phase is making some realiable ones much more independant in thought...But you see the game must be balanced.

*7- Edit
I think it will be a virus. It will be airborn.
It's trick cause they are never sure if it will mutate...


K

[ulli]

...and balancing is what I do, or at least try to.
Depends on what I'm perceiving at a given moment.
That's why politically I have been misunderstood a lot.
If I see the bottom part neglected I will talk like a socialist and want to see poverty erased
and people educated and healed, and basic rights installed..

and if the upper levels are being beheaded I will speak up on their behalf, too.

Right now I perceive both- globally the enormous power plays going on,
but also the grassroots waking up like never before,
due to the Internet...

so I'm mostly trusting that the game is pretty balanced, or at least getting there,
looking back over the last 200 years or so.

My background is childhood in Germany, but I left 44 years ago,
college and work life in London until my early thirties,
then child rearing in Barbados
and the last 20 years between Barbados and Costa Rica.
I consider myself pretty global having been immersed in those cultures,
Unlike people who work in embassies or in the military,
and are therefore still under the umbrella of their original home land.
Also been investigating contactees since the mid ninetees, after several UFO sightings.

[K626]

...and balancing is what I do, or at least try to.
Depends on what I'm perceiving at a given moment.
That's why politically I have been misunderstood a lot.
If I see the bottom part neglected I will talk like a socialist and want to see poverty erased
and people educated and healed, and basic rights installed..

and if the upper levels are being beheaded I will speak up on their behalf, too.

Right now I perceive both- globally the enormous power plays going on,
but also the grassroots waking up like never before,
due to the Internet...

so I'm mostly trusting that the game is pretty balanced, or at least getting there,
looking back over the last 200 years or so.

My background is childhood in Germany, but I left 44 years ago,
college and work life in London until my early thirties,
then child rearing in Barbados
and the last 20 years between Barbados and Costa Rica.
I consider myself pretty global having been immersed in those cultures,
Unlike people who work in embassies or in the military,
and are therefore still under the umbrella of their original home land.
Also been investigating contactees since the mid ninetees, after several UFO sightings.

I sensed there was something Germanic there. ;)

You should check out your family tree.

Peace

K

[noprophet]

This made me think, and damned if I remember where I heard it, but it spoke of the idea that every ones memories would be wiped at once.

Seems like a pretty effective way to erase history.

[ulli]

Old family, so I know it.
Annual family gatherings on our farm with "family members" including Americans visiting
and marching all around the fields and forest.
Big outing for them. 17th century map of the farm on the wall of our entrance hall, etc.
History goes back without gaps to the 14th century,
and in old church books, with gaps, to the 11th, all on the same spot.
The name only changing slightly over the centuries.
Our farm is also right on the spot where Napoleon's army marched through on his way to Russia,
and an English Colonel discovered 25 years ago with his metal detector, that 25,000 Romans
were ambushed, right there, by 6000 Etruscan tribesman in the year 9 AD under the leadership of Herman the Great, aka Armenius.
He first dug up 95 coins with the face of Emperor Augustus, in a neighbor's field. Imagine.
Exciting find. Which led to an excavation and later the Col was honored by the queen of England.

Growing up like that is no big deal.
Everybody comes from an "old family", however, just some weren't so lucky as to have written records
due to the extreme conditions they had to go through,
like some of my friends in Barbados whose ancestors arrived there on slave ships
and no one to tell them even their ancient lore from Africa.

[K626]

Old family, so I know it.

Our farm is also right on the spot where Napoleon's army marched through on his way to Russia,
and an English Colonel discovered 25 years ago with his metal detector, that 25,000 Romans
were ambushed, right there, by 6000 Etruscan tribesman in the year 9 AD under the leadership of Herman the Great, aka Armenius.
He first dug up 95 coins with the face of Emperor Augustus, in a neighbor's field. Imagine.
Exciting find. Which led to an excavation and later the Col was honored by the queen of England.

Growing up like that is no big deal.
Everybody comes from an "old family", however, just some weren't so lucky as to have written records
due to the extreme conditions they had to go through,
like some of my friends in Barbados whose ancestors arrived there on slave ships
and no one to tell them even their ancient lore from Africa.

Ha! Napoleaon reportedly the first of the 7 seals. ;)

Peace

K

[Carmody]

I delivered my warning in 2005. It was live. It was given though an act, an act of denying the 'harvest' of approximately 4000 souls. I don't talk about it much, as IIRC, it was/is my 'job', so to speak.

K, I suspect you know the thread I'm talking about. (September 2010 or so) It is not good to let people know about such things, in some ways, as their fears tend to get excited and whipped up into a frenzy before they settle down and think themselves clear. This is due to fear being the most base emotion. Basic survival comes first in the avatar... so it can (and tends to) create unwanted fear, in the face of some of these 'stories' and 'truths'.

[mosquito]

Anne, I had to jump in here for this one... I believe K626 is referring to "service to others" = STO
Hope I'm right. Cheers!

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.

I totally agree with you Annemirri ! I AM English, and I'm damned if I know what all the stupid acronyms mean ! In my experience, people tend to use acronyms as a way of showing their superiority to others.

I would also ask people to please remember there are a lot of non-English speakers on this forum, we're using English because it's become the new lingua-Franca, NOT because it's necessarily the best language. So please bear these people in mind when you post, I know it isn't always easy to express our thoughts in easy to understand language (especially with some of the concepts we're dealing with on this forum), I certainly struggle sometimes, but as a general rule of thumb - simple language really is the best, which doesn't mean you need to talk like a moron !

A tip, when I'm struggling to find words, tying myself up in semantic knots, I stop and ask myself - "what are you trying to say ?" The answer is normally quite simple, and is nearly always the best way to express onesself.

Love and thanks, Philip

[PurpleLama]

**********

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you to all the posters here. I sense that this is important information, but it is not clear to me exactly where it is coming from? Everything seems so vague and there is quite a bit of innuendo and alluding to this or that. For many of us, it is unclear what is being said. It would be nice if someone would state rather simply what this is all about. I don't understand why information cannot be stated in a rather straightforward way. With time so short, the time for playing clever games with what one knows would seem to be over. Namaste.

[Isostool]

The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

They have been given no such thing. A fairytale.. for it is just too ghastly for people to think the universe would let such a thing happen. Well guess what? It would. Its criteria for the continuance of life may be based very differently to where your ideas and hopes and dreams of it lay.

All of this stuff about ET's won't let it happen! The emv's will blow us up instead! : Delusions and figments to protect a person from the truth: that mass depopulation can be carried out. Without the emv's doing anything at all. Like little crustaceans in the sea of life... they're just being space creatures... and so we go and put our designs on them because of what we just cannot handle.

And so I heard recently that the emv's like go and dump this stuff in the outback USA and people go collect it and make it into cure all elixirs and sell it for a treat. so it's like space creature faeces and we go and call it magic. lol funny. bigger does not necessarily = more complex. It's all such a farce.

And as for depopulation: If that's what they want to do, they will. And they will get away with it.

[K626]

The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

They have been given no such thing. A fairytale.. for it is just too ghastly for people to think the universe would let such a thing happen. Well guess what? It would. Its criteria for the continuance of life may be based very differently to where your ideas and hopes and dreams of it lay.

All of this stuff about ET's won't let it happen! The emv's will blow us up instead! : Delusions and figments to protect a person from the truth: that mass depopulation can be carried out. Without the emv's doing anything at all. Like little crustaceans in the sea of life... they're just being space creatures... and so we go and put our designs on them because of what we just cannot handle.

And so I heard recently that the emv's like go and dump this stuff in the outback USA and people go collect it and make it into cure all elixirs and sell it for a treat. so it's like space creature faeces and we go and call it magic. lol funny. bigger does not necessarily = more complex. It's all such a farce.

And as for depopulation: If that's what they want to do, they will. And they will get away with it.

What are they waiting for?

They've been whinning about population growth since the 70's have they not? ;)

cheers

K

[K626]

Anne, I had to jump in here for this one... I believe K626 is referring to "service to others" = STO
Hope I'm right. Cheers!

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.

I totally agree with you Annemirri ! I AM English, and I'm damned if I know what all the stupid acronyms mean ! In my experience, people tend to use acronyms as a way of showing their superiority to others.

I would also ask people to please remember there are a lot of non-English speakers on this forum, we're using English because it's become the new lingua-Franca, NOT because it's necessarily the best language. So please bear these people in mind when you post, I know it isn't always easy to express our thoughts in easy to understand language (especially with some of the concepts we're dealing with on this forum), I certainly struggle sometimes, but as a general rule of thumb - simple language really is the best, which doesn't mean you need to talk like a moron !

A tip, when I'm struggling to find words, tying myself up in semantic knots, I stop and ask myself - "what are you trying to say ?" The answer is normally quite simple, and is nearly always the best way to express onesself.

Love and thanks, Philip

I understand what you're saying. I'm currently living in Germany and struggling with the language of the uber mensch as it were. And just shouting English words now and again isn't working like it used to on the old Spanish holidays. ;)

cheers

K

[Isostool]

What are they waiting for?

They've been whinning about population growth since the 70's have they not? ;)

cheers

K

Perhaps like a good hunter, they wait for their prey to shiver - in acknowledgement that they know. I have heard that this occurs...

[K626]

Thank you to all the posters here. I sense that this is important information, but it is not clear to me exactly where it is coming from? Everything seems so vague and there is quite a bit of innuendo and alluding to this or that. For many of us, it is unclear what is being said. It would be nice if someone would state rather simply what this is all about. I don't understand why information cannot be stated in a rather straightforward way. With time so short, the time for playing clever games with what one knows would seem to be over. Namaste.

You need to save yourself sweetie. Your truth is not mine or anybody elses. That is the place to start. I wouldn't listen to any dreamweaver on the internet for a start. :p

Peace

K

¤=[Post Update]=¤





What are they waiting for?

They've been whinning about population growth since the 70's have they not? ;)

cheers

K

Perhaps like a good hunter, they wait for their prey to shiver.

Nonsense. :cool:

With respect K

[Isostool]

Nonsense. :cool:



Oh and this isn't?:


The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Prey and hunters obviously exist. However, as you have put forward here; those who have given the nwo notice?: nonsense. Intervention?: nonsense. not even a thread of obvious existence. The theory itself? Or at least even the main parts in it? all nonsense.

So it's quite alright for you to begin a thread based entirely on nonsense then? Expecting a discussion on nonsense to be filled with sensibility?

[K626]

Nonsense. :cool:



Oh and this isn't?:


The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Prey and hunters obviously exist. However, as you have put forward here; those who have given the nwo notice?: nonsense. Intervention?: nonsense. not even a thread of obvious existence.

See you ducked the question sweetie.

If you think at this moment mankind stands alone I am happy to tell you that you are mistaken.

Infact I'll go further. I challenge the NWO and their cabals do so their worst. Getting a little tired of waiting you see.

love

K

[T Smith]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtXH9s1mgUB5GzvJ6eh6i0j9fcA-kUO_UX53yK0ojt5lZvnQ9w

The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

But are they complying? If they have been given notice, we may be in the incipient stages of a rebellion against those STO powers dictating to the NWO cabal (perhaps the Lucifer rebellion described in the Charles material?). World events certainly make more sense in this light. Nothing I currently see indicates that the NWO is pulling back on their mass depopulation campaign. All indicators point to the opposite and the pace is quickening, i.e. seizing the food supply, drugging the masses, waging mass mind control, blatant tightening of the Orwellian totalitarian grid, etc., etc.

But how about this possibility:

Perhaps the planet is resonating and moving up, on schedule, but the war being waged against our species is specifically designed to enslave us in the lower density (in which case most of us will likely not survive -- if not all of us). If human ascension is rooted in dormant DNA that activates when the planet itself begins to vibrate at higher frequencies, which then allows us to physically attune to a higher vibration, then malevolent interests, for whatever the reason, can thwart this process by attacking human DNA itself.

I believe the process of planetary ascension has already begun. The Schumann resonance of the planet and the human nervous system itself resonates at 7.8 hertz -- and this frequency is now rising with cyclical planetary changes.

Radiation, poison in the food supply, pharmaceutical drugs, vaccinations, GMO foods, among many other continual assaults on human DNA, may be aimed at thwarting human DNA activation to attune to higher planetary vibrations. This could be viewed as a sort of “culling” of the masses from the ascension process itself. It's almost too hard to imagine that all these assaults on are "by accident."

[Isostool]

Nonsense. :cool:



Oh and this isn't?:


The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Prey and hunters obviously exist. However, as you have put forward here; those who have given the nwo notice?: nonsense. Intervention?: nonsense. not even a thread of obvious existence.

See you ducked the question sweetie.

If you think at this moment mankind stands alone I am happy to tell you that you are mistaken.

Infact I'll go further. I challenge the NWO and their cabals do so their worst. Getting a little tired of waiting you see.

love

K

Don't you dare call me sweetie. How condescending.

And no I wasn't joking. It's the same principle when you know someone is looking at you and you turn around and look straight at them because you just KNOW.

And I do not insinuate that humanity stands alone. I never said that. You cannot assume from things I have not said that I mean a particular thing that you see as fitting my stance.

And what you are happy or not happy to relate to me bears no relation to its truth value.

And you challenge them? Like they give a crap!

[K626]

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The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

But are they complying? If they have been given notice, we may be in the incipient stages of a rebellion against those STO powers dictating to the NWO cabal (perhaps the Lucifer rebellion described in the Charles material?). World events certainly make more sense in this light. Nothing I currently see indicates that the NWO is pulling back on their mass depopulation campaign. All indicators point to the opposite and the pace is quickening, i.e. seizing the food supply, drugging the masses, waging mass mind control, blatant tightening of the Orwellian totalitarian grid, etc., etc.

But how about this possibility:

Perhaps the planet is resonating and moving up, on schedule, but the war being waged against our species is specifically designed to enslave us in the lower density (in which case most of us will likely not survive -- if not all of us). If human ascension is rooted in dormant DNA that activates when the planet itself begins to vibrate at higher frequencies, which then allows us to physically attune to a higher vibration, then malevolent interests, for whatever the reason, can thwart this process by attacking human DNA itself.

I believe the process of planetary ascension has already begun. The Schumann resonance of the planet and the human nervous system itself resonates at 7.8 hertz -- and this frequency is now rising with cyclical planetary changes.

Radiation, poison in the food supply, pharmaceutical drugs, vaccinations, GMO foods, among many other continual assaults on human DNA, may be aimed at thwarting human DNA activation to attune to higher planetary vibrations. This could be viewed as a sort of “culling” of the masses from the ascension process itself. It's almost too hard to imagine that all these assaults on are "by accident."

Like you I feel there is something going on with OUR planet/earth.

I agree they seem tireless in cooking up new tricks of ambient intervention in its various guises as you mention.

It means they are not so sure of themselves as before when they seemed quite content to play the long game.

Think they have also been surprised at the intelligence of dna.

cheers

K

[K626]

Nonsense. :cool:



Oh and this isn't?:


The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Prey and hunters obviously exist. However, as you have put forward here; those who have given the nwo notice?: nonsense. Intervention?: nonsense. not even a thread of obvious existence.

See you ducked the question sweetie.

If you think at this moment mankind stands alone I am happy to tell you that you are mistaken.

Infact I'll go further. I challenge the NWO and their cabals do so their worst. Getting a little tired of waiting you see.

love

K

Don't you dare call me sweetie. How condescending.

And no I wasn't joking. It's the same principle when you know someone is looking at you and you turn around and look straight at them because you just KNOW.

And I do not insinuate that humanity stands alone. I never said that. You cannot assume from things I have not said that I mean a particular thing that you see as fitting my stance.

And what you are happy or not happy to relate to me bears no relation to its truth value.

And you challenge them? Like they give a crap!

It's a term of endearment in England so sorry if it offended you. Thought we were friends an all. Apologies again.

At least we can agree that humankind is not alone in this conflict. I'll settle for that.

Peace

K

[000]

I delivered my warning in 2005. It was live. It was given though an act, an act of denying the 'harvest' of approximately 4000 souls. I don't talk about it much, as IIRC, it was/is my 'job', so to speak.

K, I suspect you know the thread I'm talking about. (September 2010 or so) It is not good to let people know about such things, in some ways, as their fears tend to get excited and whipped up into a frenzy before they settle down and think themselves clear. This is due to fear being the most base emotion. Basic survival comes first in the avatar... so it can (and tends to) create unwanted fear, in the face of some of these 'stories' and 'truths'.

Completely agreed. Not to mention, it brings out the philosopher-sharks in droves causing a feeding frenzy of mismatched logic and thus causes unnecessary, and frankly very 'smelly', noise in ESP land, which never helps the job at hand get done smoothly and accurately.

Rule of thumb for things done in ESP land, it is best to make like Bambi and be hush-hush about it unless one is prepared to explain in depth what has occurred and take full responsibility for doing so.

[Isostool]

It's a term of endearment in England so sorry if it offended you. Thought we were friends an all. Apologies again.



It was you who related to me the concept that "context is everything", K6.

but ok, yes, thank you for apologising.





At least we can agree that humankind is not alone in this conflict. I'll settle for that.

Peace

K



Oh I don't know. for us to agree here I would have to agree there is a conflict. I don't think there is.

There is life and there is death, for the Earth's living consciousness as expressed through humans. There is that which leads to life or that which leads to death. That is a choice. It is a self realisation. Not a conflict. If the continuance of life is possible for this planet, then it has already won, it already exists. You choose to support it. The only conflict is the non understanding of yourself. And really, you DO stand alone in that, essentially, when it comes down to it. All the help in the multiverses you can have but the abyss you must traverse alone. And without that........ no anchor? no ship.

If a body knew that it vacating the premises made the planet survive, then it doing so would be a service to the other. If it could serve better dead? Perhaps it chooses it, itself. Perhaps the greater self of it chooses. And perhaps it does so through a depopulation scheme. There is no good evidence to say that there is a better way - I believe Atticus when he said that they have run all the scenarios and have found no other viable option. I do. Dream all we like. But if it is, then it is. Better hope your service record is in the black then, eh?

[K626]

It's a term of endearment in England so sorry if it offended you. Thought we were friends an all. Apologies again.



It was you who related to me the concept that "context is everything", K6.

but ok, yes, thank you for apologising.





At least we can agree that humankind is not alone in this conflict. I'll settle for that.

Peace

K



Oh I don't know. for us to agree here I would have to agree there is a conflict. I don't think there is.

There is life and there is death, for the Earth's living consciousness as expressed through humans. There is that which leads to life or that which leads to death. That is a choice. It is a self realisation. Not a conflict. If the continuance of life is possible for this planet, then it has already won, it already exists. You choose to support it. The only conflict is the non understanding of yourself. And really, you DO stand alone in that, essentially, when it comes down to it. All the help in the multiverses you can have but the abyss you must traverse alone. And without that........ no anchor? no ship.

If a body knew that it vacating the premises made the planet survive, then it doing so would be a service to the other. If it could serve better dead? Perhaps it chooses it, itself. Perhaps the greater self of it chooses. And perhaps it does so through a depopulation scheme. There is no good evidence to say that there is a better way - I believe Atticus when he said that they have run all the scenarios and have found no other viable option. I do. Dream all we like. But if it is, then it is. Better hope your service record is in the red then, eh?

Cracking post and deffo food for thought.

cheers

K

[K626]

"Not only have the facts proved Mr. Mosher’s Christian-derived beliefs true — the tremendous increase in global population since World War II has been accompanied by tremendous increases in prosperity and scientific achievement instead of the mass starvation and other disastrous consequences predicted by population controllers — but he sounds the alarm about the coming underpopulation crisis.Population control, including its First World variant of anti-family materialism, has become far too successful.

The world’s population growth rate maxed out in 1965 and has been in sharp decline.”The unprecedented fall in fertility rates that began in postwar Europe has, in the decades since, spread to every corner of the globe, affecting China, India, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America,” says Mr. Mosher. “The latest forecasts by the United Nations show the number of people in the world shrinking by midcentury, that is, before today’s young adults reach retirement age.” The birthrate of Europe taken as a whole, from Ireland to Russia, is only 1.5 children per woman in her lifetime, far below the minimal replacement rate of 2.1. Latin America’s is down to 2.4 and dropping fast. China’s is 1.7. South Korea’s is a mere 1.1. The United States is the only developed country at or above replacement rate; we’re right at 2.1."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/27/taking-on-the-overpopulation-myth/


Global environmental problems are not, and will not, be mainly a problem of overbreeding Indians or Africans. First, their birthrates are coming down fast, with Indian women, for instance, having fewer than three children on average today; and even African women have falling fertility. And secondly, because overbreeding -- in the sense of women having more than replacement levels of children -- is almost entirely in countries with a very low per-capita footprint on the planet. For instance, the carbon emissions of one American is the same as that of 20 Indians, 30 Pakistanis, 40 Nigerians and 250 Ethiopians. If, as economists suggest, the world economy will grow by 400 percent by 2050, then no more than a tenth of that will be a result of population growth. The issue is consumption, and that puts the onus right back on the conspicuous consumers to do something about their economic systems, not least before more developing countries follow the same model.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/04/19/population_crash_ext2010

In fact, rising consumption today far outstrips the rising headcount as a threat to the planet. And most of the extra consumption has been in rich countries that have long since given up adding substantial numbers to their population, while most of the remaining population growth is in countries with a very small impact on the planet. By almost any measure you choose, a small proportion of the world’s people take the majority of the world’s resources and produce the majority of its pollution."

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Not sure what simulations Atticus and his mates are running but there seems to be another valid argument in this story.

One wonders what the rush is?


cheers

K

[ulli]

Any depopulation scheme sounds like Hitler's "Final Solution"
the only proper solution is where the individual has a say in the matter and manner of their own death.

I doubt the PTB have 100% knowledge of where the planet is going.
They refer to prophecy and channels like the rest of us, and that is a foggy area.

The distinction between ET messages and spirit messages is where the answer lies.
Both are valuable. Both have to be examined.
Science and religion in agreement.

[K626]

Any depopulation scheme sounds like Hitler's "Final Solution"
the only proper solution is where the individual has a say in the matter and manner of their own death.

I doubt the PTB have 100% knowledge of where the planet is going.
They refer to prophecy and channels like the rest of us, and that is a foggy area.

The distinction between ET messages and spirit messages is where the answer lies.
Both are valuable. Both have to be examined.
Science and religion in agreement.

Agreed.

More truth on the table.
More access to hidden technologies.
More sharing of the positive conscious.

Personally I know the PTB are cluesless as to where the planet is going and in thier lack of wisdom and panick all they can think of is to horde assets and promote short
term naked consumption.

I think everything is still in play.

I think the zero sum game they are trying to make us all believe is a fear promoting lie.

cheers

K

[Isostool]

And oh, I realised I had written 'in the red' in my previous post when it should have read 'in the black'. Makes a difference in what I was trying to say.. I got my economic terms the wrong way around...




I think the zero sum game they are trying to make us all believe is a fear promoting lie.

cheers

K

I really don't think they care WHAT you believe. Does it matter? Why would it be relevant to them? It really doesn't matter what kind of emotional state you are in [as in why is making you be afraid even close to being a worthwhile investment], presumably this would have no bearing on an act of depopulation [unless you believe the 'prophecy' or fairytale that they feed off your fear... LOL!!].

And the simulations they are running are not based on prophecy, they are run through EXTREMELY advanced computers. Regardless of what prophecy is thought to be true or relevant, by either you or them, computer simulations are relatively free of them.
And regardless of population growth, the population level right now is an issue as is the consciousness level of this number. Consumption is a problem yes, but NDE's are known to change people's view of how they should be living their life. Giving the planet one would seem a good Idea in this respect.

2010 6,830,586,985 6,908,688,000 6,842,925,208
2015 7,200,008,584 7,302,186,000 7,219,433,211
2020 7,557,514,266 7,674,833,000 7,577,890,552 8,000,000,000
2025 7,892,758,722 8,000,000,000 8,011,533,000 7,905,241,284
2030 8,202,205,367 8,308,895,000 8,199,106,302
2035 8,487,066,951 8,570,570,000
2040 8,748,743,446 8,801,196,000
2045 8,987,418,540 8,996,344,000
2050 9,202,458,484 9,352,000,000 9,149,984,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates

population growth rates are reducing as we are getting closer towards the carrying capacity, but the population is not shrinking. It is growing. And it is very much about the population now as a flat number being too great. Those who seek to implement a depopulation scheme understand very well that the economic system is incorrect and that is also sought to be solved, which it will be, I expect. But solving that ALONE still poses too great a risk to the long term viability of the planet without a sufficiently powerful [and temporally condensed perhaps] NDE to change the spiritual maturity level on the whole to a level to something which in every motion supports the continuance of life on this planet.

And yeah, there is another option rather than a short swift knock on the head: A long drawn out suffering death of billions through disease and famine and prolonged suffering, resulting in the absolute decimation of ANY remaining ecosystem as well rendering life in any capacity [perhaps except for some Achaea and random insects!! lol] non able to exist here at all into the future. If this were the case, how selfish of a being apparently so concerned with STO to be so supportive of allowing the entire planet to become unable to support life in general. The shock associated with going the 'long road' would be enough to cause the effect of a NDE, I presume, but the risk of the Earth not surviving is great and not a risk I think any of them are willing to take.

The issue is, I think, that people won't change. Perhaps you might like to understand that you live holistically. Perhaps you know a few others who might like to live that way. At Avalon perhaps there might be a higher than average head count of people who are not adverse to a bit of change, but on the whole people don't want to, they won't, change.

The economic system implemented by the top is holographically held in all parts that do not resist it and/or overcome it. Guilty shmos who participate IN SPIRIT. And in act.... like the tuna trawlers. The loggers. Responding to the economic drive. Would removing the system make them suddenly all ecologically sound? No. It's people like them who created 'the problematic system' in the first place. Remove the system and they will just fill the void with their own, because that is what they are in spirit.




Not sure what simulations Atticus and his mates are running but there seems to be another valid argument in this story.

One wonders what the rush is?


cheers

K
And by the way, "All dogs are brown, All brown things are cats, therefore all cats are dogs" is a valid argument. Validity is no measure of being sound. Validity is not a measure about whether the subject matter is accurate or true. Validity is about structure. Soundness is about truth.

Claming you have a valid argument says nothing about if it is true or not. And as for the truth of what you are proposing, how deeply have you analysed that particular proposition? You think they have not examined it?

[ThePythonicCow]

"All dogs are brown, All brown things are cats, therefore all cats are dogs" is a valid argument.
I don't think so :).

There could be some black cats, which are not dogs.

I'd guess you got the conclusion flipped around, and meant to say "All dogs are brown, All brown things are cats, therefore all dogs are cats"

[ThePythonicCow]

Claiming you have a valid argument says nothing about if it is true or not.
Well ... it could be such a claim.

I usually use "valid" to mean "actually fits the facts of the real world", whereas I use "true" to mean "simply logically consistent". This appears to be the opposite of the way you're using the words. I have not read enough of K626's post to know which way he was using the words.

(Sorry - my training in mathematical logic is getting the better of me ;).)

[Isostool]

Claiming you have a valid argument says nothing about if it is true or not.
Well ... it could be such a claim.

I usually use "valid" to mean "actually fits the facts of the real world", whereas I use "true" to mean "simply logically consistent". This appears to be the opposite of the way you're using the words. I have not read enough of K626's post to know which way he was using the words.

(Sorry - my training in mathematical logic is getting the better of me ;).)

yeah you're right I did get the conclusion round' the wrong way. it should be: All cats are brown, All brown things are dogs therefore all cats are dogs. Also the construct: Some cats are dogs, All dogs are sheep, Therefore some cats are sheep, is a valid argument. Formal logic is a discipine of not just mathematics but formal philosophy... and some people round ere' have degrees in philosophy .... and should know better.. was me point.

The term valid in mathematical logic refers to the logical structure of the argument, in that an argument's structure may be valid, however a valid argument may not be sound as in you can have an argument which is valid BUT untrue. An argument is valid if the premises force a conclusion [the conclusion is entailed by the premises] but it is only a sound argument if the premises are also true as well [entailing a true conclusion]. So claiming that an argument is valid is not arguing that it is sound, contains true premises or true conclusions. So it says nothing about the truth of the claims that you make, only the logical structure.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

For whatever reason, the timeline has been moved up. This is a very good thing. Several bulletins just came out in the last day or two about it. We have also entered Day 3. I posted one about MayDay in the spiritual forum. This means we are very close and something wonderful will happen this month. The New Golden Age beckons us.

How to get ready? This is most of all an inner journey reflected outwardly by our collective consciousness. We don't work out there but inside our own hearts. Then it will be reflected outwardly in the world at large. So be as kind as you can possibly be. Open your heart and be as compassionate to others as possible. Most important, ask your guides and higher power for assistance. They can't help you if you don't ask them directly. It was an agreement made prior to this Earth experience.

It is helpful to stop thinking and being distracted by world events. Everything changes now and that's what we are seeing all over the world. New governments including in the U.S. will be replaced and new evidence will be coming out about what they've been doing against, We the people."

This is how these new changes will get put into effect. Revelations that will greatly shock you and arrests for the wrong doers.
At that point, new prosperity programs will be rolled out. We have everything to look forward to but the most important to us, as individuals, is to work on your own heart and let your light shine. And so it is.... Much love. Be happy! It's a choice. xoxoxox

[ThePythonicCow]

An argument is valid if the premises force a conclusion [the conclusion is entailed by the premises] but it is only a sound argument if the premises are also true as well [entailing a true conclusion].
You describe the difference between valid and true quite clearly. I agree.

... except for one detail ... I use the words "valid" and "true" in exactly the opposite way you do ;).

[Isostool]

An argument is valid if the premises force a conclusion [the conclusion is entailed by the premises] but it is only a sound argument if the premises are also true as well [entailing a true conclusion].
You describe the difference between valid and true quite clearly. I agree.

... except for one detail ... I use the words "valid" and "true" in exactly the opposite way you do ;).

Well then Paul if you're making that claim because you, as I do, sometimes get things the wrong way around as a result of mild left right dyslexia, so therefore you are allowed to and leave it that way [which I don't]... [my mother didn't learn to read til' she was 34.. I inherited it in there and it pops up occasionally .. I think the one we have is attached to the maths part of the brain - she was very good at maths.]... then your joke isn't quite being an equal analogue. Or perhaps you are just making the point that you use the terms incorrectly even though you have studied formal logic.. and that's just the way things are for you... and be dammed with the dictionary.

It's not particularly 'the way I do' that is the issue - it is the way these things are defined in formal logic, which can be understood as the benchmark for the definitions of things. So that people use terms consistently. So that therefore people can understand each other while in discussions and debates. You must always have your definitions down... or the debate ends up difficult.. it is more difficult to progress it.

The phrase 'this is a valid argument' is misused, just as is the concept 'begs the question' is always being misused. it doesn't mean 'raises the obvious next question' it means: the premise/s in an argument is similarly unsupported as the conclusion. Claiming validity IS a trivial claim, if you are using an argument's proposed truth as supportive to your conclusion.

So....

- Some countires population growth rate is negative therefore the planet's[all countries] population is not growing?

It is growing. it is just growing less percentage wise. And the thing is with this, is that it is a percentage of an increased base number [measured per annum], that you say facilitates the decreased growth calculation, year to year; so that it can be seen to give the illusion of growing less than it really is in flat numbers. The growth is STILL exponential. This kind of measure can be very deceptive if you aren't aware of the way the base numbers rise each year..... that percentage would be higher if the growth was taken in comparison to the base population the year BEFORE.

This video lecture does a good job of explaining exponential growth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY



- Edumacated countires growth rate is more negative in general than other countries therefore the Earth's population will cease to grow exponentially?

What? if we educate? if we redistribute? Enough time for that is there? Willing to risk it are they? Actually have a say in it do you? Had a say in it in a deeper place than you can voice perhaps. or even think.

- Some countries have negative growth rates therefore the suffering and permanent damage to the ecosystem which occurs as a result of allowing nature to take its course [and even redistributing resources] and overshooting the carrying capacity of the planet [which is generally what happens] is less than can be effectuated by human managed population and ecosystem control.

it doesn't follow.

It's not like we have leeway to overshoot. In an ecosystem there is most times a buffer of some description - species can usually move into the decimated system from related adjoining areas... eventually... perhaps things can be re-established in the environment... life continues.

But the edges of the Earth are all we have. Hit the edge and the collapse is universal - as far as we are concerned. There is no room for error here. There is no second chance. The stakes here are far too high to get it wrong. And your sense of moral right and wrong... so does it appear on the whole that the play of nature agrees with you? Or is it an elaborate design based on purely human polarised 'spirit' ethics?

[K626]

Thanks Paul,Iso and everyone else for making a really good discussion. :cool:

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[K626]

"There is no food shortage. Even though an estimated one in six people is going hungry, there are more people suffering from obesity than from starvation. The food shortage that does exist in certain parts of the planet, including in some of the wealthiest areas, has to do with what food is being produced, how it is being produced, and what is being done with it.

Over ten percent of the food grown on U.S. farms is plowed under to help control pricing. In the cities, supermarkets often lock their trash bins or use trash compacters to discard food that has expired, is slightly blemished, or damaged. Much of this food is trashed even thought it is still edible. Some stores throw bleach into their dumpsters to discourage people from “dumpster diving.” More than ten percent of food purchased for home use also is thrown away.

In the town where I live I have gotten into packing up my bike basket with fruit and water and then go out and feed the homeless. Along the route I take where I know I will find homeless people, I pass many stores that have locks on their trash bins where expired, blemished, and damaged food is thrown away. They lock the bins so that the homeless and dumpster divers can’t get the food.

But, the stores locking up their trash bins is only a very small part of the problem.

The chemically grown and mass-marketed food industry is a source of massive quantities of pollution that has spread and is spreading throughout not only the surface of the planet, but also into its underground water aquifers, into Earth’s delicate and relatively tin crust, and into the atmosphere surrounding the planet. In fact, more pollution is created as a result of the fast-food, cooked food, and animal-eating diet than any other source. It starts with the farmlands.

The consumption of meat by the affluent people of the planet has a negative impact on the poor because the land used to grow food for people is being taken over by companies involved in growing food for livestock. It is being done by international corporate agricultural businesses. This is helping to create the system and culture of dependency on corporations and on the small number of people who control the global flow of money. It is widening the gap between the rich and the poor. Global trade, free trade, and exclusive contracts in the growing, processing, and distribution of food is negatively impacting family farmers around the planet, often demolishing their way of life.

Over half of the beef from Latin America is exported to more affluent countries. In the U.S., Australia, and Europe more money is spent on one dairy cow per day than what many people in Third World countries live on per month.

“Hunger afflicts more than 800 million people worldwide and kills 24,000 per day. Three fourths are children under five. Chronic hunger causes stunted growth, poor vision, listlessness, and susceptibility to disease.
A major factor is the waste of foodstuffs fed to animals raised for food, rather than to starving people. This was documented in Frances Moore Lappé’s 1972 classic Diet for a Small Planet and was reaffirmed at the 2002 World Food Summit in Rome.
A meat-based diet requires 10 to 20 times as much land as a plant-based diet.
An acre of prime land can produce 40,000 pounds of potatoes, 30,000 pounds of carrots, 50,000 pounds of tomatoes but only 250 pounds of beef.”
– Citizens for Healthy Options in Children’s Education, CHOICE.USA; 2006""


cheers

K

[kersley]

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We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Where are you getting these information from? Because i bumped into an old friend this afternoon, And she tell me that her husband works in the underground bunkers. I said you what?
She explained that he is currently working in Pakistan in the bunkers. Last month he was working in Afganistan. WTF is going .
She said that in these bunkers, There are hospital, dentist, supermarket, it's like a underground city. She also told me that there is a bunker right here in the UK, Ashford Kent. And another in Milton Keynes...???? If there is no mass dpopulation, Then what are we expecting to happen? why are they taking cover?

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THEY ARE GOING UNDERGROUND? AND WHAT ABOUT US? ME AND YOU?

K626. contact your source and ask the above question please.
Thanks

[K626]

The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the US eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2 point 3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of US farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16

The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels
Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs a meat-free diet: 3 times more
Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85
Number of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat imported to US annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds
Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year

The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week: 3 For women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week: 2: 8 times
For women who eat butter and cheese 2-4 times a week: 3: 25 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs sparingly or not at all: 3 point 6 times
The Natural Resources Argument

User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the US: livestock production
Amount of water used in production of the average cow: sufficient to float a destroyer
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calorie of protein from beef: 78
To get 1 calorie of protein from soybeans: 2
Percentage of all raw materials (base products of farming, forestry and mining, including fossil fuels) consumed by US that is devoted to the production of livestock: 33
Percentage of all raw materials consumed by the US needed to produce a complete vegetarian diet: 2

The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of US antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of US meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support"

http://www.consumercide.com/js/index.php/food-supply/39-necessarily-vegetarian/379-how-to-win-an-argument-with-a-meat-eater.html


cheers

K

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We are approaching the most important 18months in the history of mankind. The consensus has gathered around 'the pattern'. We have enetered 'the pattern'. The NWo has been given notice that mass depopulation will not be tolerated. Massive and full spectrum intervention will be deployed including the use of full field electromagnetic space based EMV's...

Discuss. :p

Where are you getting these information from? Because i bumped into an old friend this afternoon, And she tell me that her husband works in the underground bunkers. I said you what?
She explained that he is currently working in Pakistan in the bunkers. Last month he was working in Afganistan. WTF is going .
She said that in these bunkers, There are hospital, dentist, supermarket, it's like a underground city. She also told me that there is a bunker right here in the UK, Ashford Kent. And another in Milton Keynes...???? If there is no mass dpopulation, Then what are we expecting to happen? why are they taking cover?

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THEY ARE GOING UNDERGROUND? AND WHAT ABOUT US? ME AND YOU?

K626. contact your source and ask the above question please.
Thanks

Thanks for your post.

Just keep an eye on this thread fella.

I hold nothing back.

No point.

Be aware I and many others are super-positive about the future of OUR EARTH and mankind.


love

K

[Lettherebelight]

Well put, K626.

People going hungry is not a question of 'Are there just too many people?'....

But more a question of 'Why, why, why.. do politics and business interests stop proper distribution of food in our world?'

[kersley]

@k626.
I hear you and that is my belief also. But to actually meet someone who is connected to such things knocked me back a bit. I will most definitely be watching this space.
K

[K626]

Well put, K626.

People going hungry is not a question of 'Are there just too many people?'....

But more a question of 'Why, why, why.. do politics and business interests stop proper distribution of food in our world?'

Artificially maintained shortages and destroying the means of full production to keep prices high is the basics of the game. Factor in the holding back of technology and information and the hyper-wastage of energy and resources by the West (the building of the average american car can keep 5 average african villages in food, water and power for a year).

cheers

K

[kersley]

Reading the above percentage, I think it's fair to say that the Americans are far too greedy. Another thing.... Why is the American pizza twice as big and half the price than here in the UK?
With all due respect of course...

[ulli]

Here is my salicornia story:
not sure if I've mentioned it before.

My friend Jeanine was married to a biologist from the University of Arizona at Phoenix, Daniel Murphy, who got funding from Marlon Brando
to do a project in the coastal desert of Saudi Arabia.
They planted "salicornia" plants which grow in salt water, and irriagated the field which stretched far into the desert, with ocean water.
The plant can provide oil, and meal /flour, or it can be eaten raw with salad. It was considered a delicacy in 18thcentury royal courts of Europe.

Anyway, the PTB killed the project.
Marlon Brando's last interview ever was given to Larry King, at Brando's home.
He couldn't get the news of salicornia out, ...the way Larry King interrupted him every time he tried to bring up he subject.
I was really shocked, but that was long time ago, when I was still really naive about such things.

[K626]

(PhysOrg.com) -- This flow chart of the estimated US energy use in 2009, assembled by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), paints a pretty sobering picture of our energy situation. To begin with, it shows that more than half (58%) of the total energy produced in the US is wasted due to inefficiencies, such as waste heat from power plants, vehicles, and light bulbs. In other words, the US has an energy efficiency of 42%. And, despite the numerous reports of progress in solar, wind, and geothermal energy, those three energy sources combined provide just 1.2% of our total energy production. The vast majority of our energy still comes from petroleum (37%), natural gas (25%), and coal (21%).

That percentage of oil illustrates that by far our biggest problem - or area of improvement - is transportation. As the chart shows, the transportation sector is the single biggest consumer of energy, accounting for nearly 40% of the energy consumed by the four sectors (along with residential, commercial, and industrial). In comparison, just 16% is used for residential use. And while the residential, commercial, and industrial sectors waste about 20% of their energy, the transportation sector wastes a full 75%, making it just 25% energy-efficient. Part of this waste is due to the fact that cars are an inherently inefficient way to move people around, since much of the energy must go into moving the massive car and not simply the person."


http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2011/usenergyuse.jpg


cheers

K

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Here is my salicornia story:
not sure if I've mentioned it before.

My friend Jeanine was married to a biologist from the University of Arizona at Phoenix, Daniel Murphy, who got funding from Marlon Brando
to do a project in the coastal desert of Saudi Arabia.
They planted "salicornia" plants which grow in salt water, and irriagated the field which stretched far into the desert, with ocean water.
The plant can provide oil, and meal /flour, or it can be eaten raw with salad. It was considered a delicacy in 18thcentury royal courts of Europe.

Anyway, the PTB killed the project.
Marlon Brando's last interview ever was given to Larry King, at Brando's home.
He couldn't get the news of salicornia out, ...the way Larry King interrupted him every time he tried to bring tup he subject.
I was really shocked, but that was long time ago, when I was still really naive about such things.

Good story.

I imagine that's the kind of independant thinking they really hate. :p

One of my fav actors btw.

Peace

K

[kersley]

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.[/QUOTE]

Why not cut out the abbreviation all together. It would make life easier for all of us...
I do understand what you mean. English is not my first language either.

[ulli]

(PhysOrg.com) -- This flow chart of the estimated US energy use in 2009, assembled by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL), paints a pretty sobering picture of our energy situation. To begin with, it shows that more than half (58%) of the total energy produced in the US is wasted due to inefficiencies, such as waste heat from power plants, vehicles, and light bulbs. In other words, the US has an energy efficiency of 42%. And, despite the numerous reports of progress in solar, wind, and geothermal energy, those three energy sources combined provide just 1.2% of our total energy production. The vast majority of our energy still comes from petroleum (37%), natural gas (25%), and coal (21%).

That percentage of oil illustrates that by far our biggest problem - or area of improvement - is transportation. As the chart shows, the transportation sector is the single biggest consumer of energy, accounting for nearly 40% of the energy consumed by the four sectors (along with residential, commercial, and industrial). In comparison, just 16% is used for residential use. And while the residential, commercial, and industrial sectors waste about 20% of their energy, the transportation sector wastes a full 75%, making it just 25% energy-efficient. Part of this waste is due to the fact that cars are an inherently inefficient way to move people around, since much of the energy must go into moving the massive car and not simply the person."


http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2011/usenergyuse.jpg


cheers

K

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Here is my salicornia story:
not sure if I've mentioned it before.

My friend Jeanine was married to a biologist from the University of Arizona at Phoenix, Daniel Murphy, who got funding from Marlon Brando
to do a project in the coastal desert of Saudi Arabia.
They planted "salicornia" plants which grow in salt water, and irriagated the field which stretched far into the desert, with ocean water.
The plant can provide oil, and meal /flour, or it can be eaten raw with salad. It was considered a delicacy in 18thcentury royal courts of Europe.

Anyway, the PTB killed the project.
Marlon Brando's last interview ever was given to Larry King, at Brando's home.
He couldn't get the news of salicornia out, ...the way Larry King interrupted him every time he tried to bring tup he subject.
I was really shocked, but that was long time ago, when I was still really naive about such things.

Good story.

I imagine that's the kind of independant thinking they really hate. :p

One of my fav actors btw.

Peace

K

here is the final part of that interview: at 7 minutes he mentions Salicornia...

they cut out the bit where he tries to offer Larry King a cookie made from Salicornia plants...
at least I couldn't find the part, also tried to show him photos of the fields...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvWMB7YFMXw&feature=related

[K626]

That's a great find Ulli, thanks. He really is a gentleman by every definition of the word. You can feel he truly means what he says. Good that he left some great movies behind.

Don't forget why he turned down his Godfather Oscar.

Peace

K

[ulli]

That's a great find Ulli, thanks. He really is a gentleman by every definition of the word. You can feel he truly means what he says. Good that he left some great movies behind.

Don't forget why he turned down his Godfather Oscar.

Peace

K



Don't forget why he turned down his Godfather Oscar.

I had indeed forgotten, totally. Thanks for reminding me.
Yes, a real authentic human being.
He once said in an interview he only wanted to make money so that he could afford the luxury of psycho therapy.

I thought that was funny, and quite telling.

[T Smith]

New governments including in the U.S. will be replaced and new evidence will be coming out about what they've been doing against, We the people."



New evidence is already coming out about what they've been doing against, We the people.

[Isostool]

I can only speak by assumption about what the people at the top who have the power to depopulate think about things. But that is no more assumption than anyone in this discussion is doing.. but just wanted to make that clear.. that I am speaking from what I personally understand as I discuss their position. But.. I do take the liberty.. : )

The way the world has grown, I am sure they would agree that the current economic management is atrocious. That all of those facts and figures you have published K6, are pertinent and descriptive of stupidity in motion. But that they figure that a solution will not be created by a pure redistribution of resources. There is the understanding of spiritual evolution. Purely redistribute resources and the issue, I would maintain, will still be there.

Or there is another way of seeing it, in that redistribution cannot actually be achieved WITHOUT radical depopulation, because the consciousness level will not support a healthier way of management. And the only way to adequately and permanently change the consciousness level is to effectuate a NDE, a heavy experience for the earth, but one which isn't so prolonged as to bring its chances of not surviving AT ALL up to an unacceptable level. You and the circle of people YOU know may not appear to be SO difficult to effectuate change in. But look at all the fat arse Americans sitting on their couch?

They WILL not CHANGE for ANYONE. And THAT is the point. If someone or something won't change, they just WON'T, no way am i going to let that kill the planet in its entirety. Inertia is another piece of support for why depopulation is on the table. It needs a heavy hit to get the ball rolling. Watching the effort of the Codex Alimentarius is like watching an inexperienced and semi retarded cat take three days to chew and torture its prey to death. Actually that demeans the cat because at least it is following its harmonious alignment. I will hazard to guess that more than a few of those in the 33 who sit in 'situation' don't like it AT ALL.

A compassionate execution is one in which the prey [other than an unavoidable inner knowing which may or may not be disturbing to the individual] doesn't know it is coming. There is no suffering or torture. Like it or not, there is a way of understanding depopulation in which it IS about service to others, to the whole. Perhaps I might say that there are members up there who hope for another way... but as it is, the human hand and bloodshed is what has always sustained human progression.. It has.. [and it is concrete and functional and not an 'actual possibility' but a 'possible actuality']. Human history is one big frikking war/massacre/empire establishment! from asshole to breakfastime. Some of us like it that way [smiles... to an extent...[bows] and the love of ladies makes it great].

: ) Oh deeeeeeeeeeeeear :|

Isostool

[PurpleLama]

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.

Why not cut out the abbreviation all together. It would make life easier for all of us...
I do understand what you mean. English is not my first language either.[/QUOTE]

I have started a thread entitled "Commonly Used Abbreviations" to specifically address this issue. I hope it helps!

[ulli]

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.


Why not cut out the abbreviation all together. It would make life easier for all of us...
I do understand what you mean. English is not my first language either.[/QUOTE]


So you want fried chicken to fly into your mouth? ( Gurdjieff quote)

The efforts you make remain with you forever, as lasting possessions, and overcoming shyness and fears will turn you into a freer being.

[K626]

Could we have one thread where we post all these stupid abbreviations !

as I hate them,
why cannot people explain things with more words, and make all that more understandable
to all of us.

I am quite sure that there are many that are too afraid to ask "stupid" questions,
and keep on living in the darkness,

the best truths are the simple truths.

a.


Why not cut out the abbreviation all together. It would make life easier for all of us...
I do understand what you mean. English is not my first language either.


So you want fried chicken to fly into your mouth? ( Gurdjieff quote)

The efforts you make remain with you forever, as lasting possessions, and overcoming shyness and fears will turn you into a freer being.[/QUOTE]

Generally agree. In the early days I used to look a lot of stuff up and in that process found deeper meanings not only to abbreviations but also associated information.

There is a kind of quantum tangle right now and meanings are stretched.

Meanings need to be able to play out free and associations with this information is designed that way...For individual access and individual meaning production.

People must learn to take what they need.


Peace

K

[ulli]

Thanks for your reply. I found that true in my experience, also.

About meanings...I was always on a search for meaning and like most people at first I bought into the explanations given to me...
later made a major adjustment, by confronting a deep-rooted fear of appearing selfish, in the eyes of others, but also in my own eyes...

I started to examine the meannig I gave to things with my intuition...and wow...

that's when it all became really interesting and I felt I was finally approaching some sense of real sanity.


Also trust synchronicities when they happen:

just now I was watching this youtube video, so perhaps it makes sense in the context of your thread:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saSAwFu0cUc&feature=digest

[K626]

At a rough estimate there is $3000 Billion uninvested right now and the corporations are waiting for the next big thing (which might in the end turn out to be the over egging of climate change). See Soros and the new economy.**

The whole climate change saga and associated doom is playing heavily into the hands of interested parties for various nefarious agendas that we are all too aware of. Planet saving falls into that category.

Why the sudden interest in saving the planet one may ask after trashing it for so long? Well the old dialectics are failing as is the money supply so a sub-currency is coming into being (carbon tax - like the Chinese are ever going to pay it lol)...

Managing population if taken seriously (perhaps like the Chinese example) and managing expectations (tax heavily the second car and the second house) will lead to pop evening out at 9 billion and then going back down as replacement rates aren't met (as in most of Eu now).

Human progression has been sustained by innovation.

The naked and irresponsible consumption of the west and the wild wastage of the arms industry are the first problems to tackle. If the West is so intent on saving the planet...WELL LET IT TAKE THE LEAD. Stop fighting wars all over the place and put THAT MONEY into clean energy and education and so on..

cheers

K

[T Smith]

At a rough estimate there is $3000 Billion uninvested right now and the corporations are waiting for the next big thing (which might in the end turn out to be the over egging of climate change). See Soros and the new economy.**


The naked and irresponsible consumption of the west and the wild wastage of the arms industry are the first problems to tackle. If the West is so intent on saving the planet...WELL LET IT TAKE THE LEAD. Stop fighting wars all over the place and put THAT MONEY into clean energy and education and so on..

cheers

K

If the game is saving the world, the Western controllers believe they are taking the lead, per their own rules of play. Whether the West rebells against their controllers remains unclear to me. Personally, clean energy and education and a program of truth and love seem more productive to me as well.... But the wars and wasteful expenditures will escalate, per the current mental trajectory, to a much larger conflict. Mass depopulation and weaponry of mass destruction are possible cards to play, albeit the controllers at the helm now will likely reserve these plays only if things get out of hand as far as global awareness of the real game being played. The NWO objective, as far as I can see, is for greater global centralization of power aimed at managing perception, and specifically to limit awareness. It would seem this is their plan to save the world? Or at least their plan to manage and control various outcomes?

Put another way:

Humanity is now akin to five-year old Helen Keller, frustrated, throwing fits, not knowing what the hell is really going on in the world around her. The STOs are akin to Annie Sullivan. They are trying to make us see... The NWO (per their twisted game plan -- or not so twisted, depending on one's viewpoint) want to assure we 3rd-deminsional serfs come to the right epiphany (or managed epiphany) when the time comes to finally perceive the nature of our inter-dimensionality. If they can keep us drugged, doped, and distracted, all the better. Per their own shortcomings, we should be hard pressed to expect TPTB to not have a firm hand in the fray if/when the masses come to perceive how we ourselves relate to the bereft truth here on the planet we're all bent on saving.



Why are the minds of all these humans so bloody important to control?

[K626]

Good question and soon this and other questions will find the light.

Peace

K