I had a severe Alien? psychic attack in my dreamstate.

[truth4me]

I firmly believe we get manipulated in our dream state by alien/government technology somehow.They get into your memories and they set scenes up that just"blow you away". Families members and close friends are used against you in the manipulated state, a severe lucid dream that I stood my ground against police attack, unspeakable things about my daughter,dead relatives and died friends. Project Blue Beam stuff in the sky. It's hard to explain. Each scene I stood my ground and kept saying it's a dream but I couldn't wake up from it .

When I did wake up I found myself groggy and I closed my eyes and human looking enities appeared all around in the darkness noding their heads in the "yes" up and down motion.


I've been researching a lot of the John Lear material recently. I believe when you start uncovering truth for yourself they ,alien/government, use dream manipulation to keep you in check or try to anyway.

Remember when you become awakened you become a threat regardless of your social standing or lot in life. The more awake--the more the threat.........

[Cristian]

Hi truth4me

Is this the first time you experience stuff like this?

I have to know the disturbing details. Things you probably don't want to share. How were the faces of your family and friends; were they in any way distorted?

Did you had a beer or something(alcohol ) before going to sleep? Were you scared or afraid at any point?

[truth4me]

No, I don't do drugs or alcohol. Faces were different sizes yet human. Some of the manipulations were of a sexual content. I've seen my mother and dead uncles in other "dreams" but not in this extent.I know it happened and a lot of things happen. I feel is that when you run into information that resonates and is true in your eyes they do that,manipulate your dreams,to try to stop your research and belief in what you discovered in the information you read. After studying Lears work and backtracting to 1988 forward I believe Lear's information has merit.....at least in my eyes.People on the Moon? yes,I believe there is. People on Mars? yes,even Robert Dean believes that. He said that in the Shadow Operation show on TruTV........A 100,000 year old and still there civilization.

[Cristian]

I didn't want to imply you were drunk or it was only a dream. From my experience moderate alcohol consumtion can sometimes make us more prone to see and connect with some beings .

My opinion, and i'm not an expert by any means , is that this kind of dreams are a sign of you interacting with some sort of entity(s). The kind that I know love to mix sexuality, with family and weird faces and so on. There is a lot more to say on this subject, anyway please let us know if you have this kind of dreams or see figures in the dark again.

Chris

[ghostrider]

dark energy can hide in lots of things we bring into our home without us knowing it. sometimes the very thing we think we must have, we should deny ourselves to show who is in control our mind or our emotion.. We are too controlled by emotion these days, the ptb use vibrations against us in lots of things.

[Maia Gabrial]

Remember when you become awakened you become a threat regardless of your social standing or lot in life. The more awake,the more the threat.........

So true, truth4me. Lately, I've been sharing my really strange experiences on the forum. For the most part, it's been about discovering my divine abilities. From what I've gathered these are not what they want people to know about. I can't help myself because I want to share as much as I can with you guys!

For about the last several days, there was a cutesy young female voice calling me and asking me to do things. I just recorded it in my journal because I wasn't asleep yet. Then last night, I saw who the voice belonged to: An AI. The type that almost looks like the grays but with smaller round black lenses over their eyes. I read that these are the vicious ones. Also, I think that an incident the night before is related to this AI also. I felt an extreme pain in my left wrist. I could actually see a robotic hand lifting my arm to look at my forearm. It squeezed pretty hard, too!.

I take comfort in the fact that so much will be changing soon. Yes, I believe that the Mayan prophesies are coming true. So, whoever is behind all of this, they'll be "encouraged" to end their evil ways or face the consequences. Universal Law has caught up to them all. Take comfort in the fact that the Unseen Ones have been watching all of it.....

[SlickWillie]

Chris I had an extreme paranoia/weird episode under severe sleep deprivation....I went a little crazy...I did hallucinate that my dad's face changed right in front of me...lots of other crazy stuff too. I got some sleeping pills and slept for 20 hours straight. I still have weird feelings about the experience and have trouble now going to sleep but I haven't had another episode like that and hope to never again.

[Daughter of Time]

Truth4me,

I have had experiences similar to what you describe, on and off, all my life.

To the best of my understanding at this point in time I can say that not all these experiences stem from the same causes.

Some, for me, have definitely been ET contacts. Some have been entity attacks. Some have been past life memories. Some have been prophetic dreams. And some I'm still trying to figure out.

Best to you in figuring out yours,

Daughter of Time

[DNA]

I firmly believe we get manipulated in our dream state by alien/government technology somehow.They get into your memories and they set scenes up that just"blow you away". Families members and close friends are used against you in the manipulated state, a severe lucid dream that I stood my ground against police attack, unspeakable things about my daughter,dead relatives and died friends. Project Blue Beam stuff in the sky. It's hard to explain. Each scene I stood my ground and kept saying it's a dream but I couldn't wake up from it .

When I did wake up I found myself groggy and I closed my eyes and human looking enities appeared all around in the darkness noding their heads in the "yes" up and down motion.


I've been researching a lot of the John Lear material recently. I believe when you start uncovering truth for yourself they ,alien/government, use dream manipulation to keep you in check or try to anyway.

Remember when you become awakened you become a threat regardless of your social standing or lot in life. The more awake--the more the threat.........

You would know best what is happening in your individual situation. I do want to state that there are other things that can interfere with your dream activity.
Ghosts for example, do it quite a bit. The old hag syndrom that folks report, from what I've been able to glean from my own instances of this, some ghosts have learned how to manipulate the connection between body and astral body, and as such can either follow you into the astral plane or mess with your souls ability to reimerse itself back into the body.

It might sound silly but I've had a nature entity do this as well. It might sound like a stretch, but elves and gnomes and the like exist but at a different frequency or density than humans. They prefer the pristine areas where nature still rules, and from what I can tell have devoloped a strong dislike for humans on account of our destructive actions as it relates to their habitat. Houses and or commercial real estate built in these areas can result in some pissed off nature folk.

I don't discount the alien thing though, that stuff can happen, but you ussually have to be pretty close to pulling back the veil and seeing things for what they are. From my experiences, this isn't ussually a information thing, but a perception thing. Knowing parts of the truth is no where near as dangerous as seeing certain parts of the truth.
Just my take. :)

[Sirius White]

This happened to me for about a year by all sorts of different energies.

And a lot worse and severe than you described too.

Take it as an "eye opener." You have been initiated. Now follow your trail of intuition for knowledge and understanding. Once you breach a certain point, you are at a threshold. When you reach it "they" can all see you.

[Maia Gabrial]

DNA,
I've experienced the nature spirits as well. Try telling it to most people and they think you're nuttier that seeing UFO's....!

[donk]

I didn't want to imply you were drunk or it was only a dream. From my experience moderate alcohol consumtion can sometimes make us more prone to see and connect with some beings .



Somebody here (I forget who) once said: they don't call them "spirits" for nothing. I love that.

My girlfriend has been experiencing this intensely lately. She remembers bits and pieces vividly, strange scenes--places full of slaves, one sounded like the cannibal house scene from "The Road", the one that stuck with her that she thinks is important had to do with three fishes, she describes as following her or needing her or going somewhere she needs to (here memory of it is changing?).

We have ghosts in the house, for sure--she sees dead people everywhere and knows our 3. Something else like a angry spirit, evil presense, demon type, takes up residence in the attic close to our bedroom, it causes all kinds of problems (think: hijacker), and definitely is involved. But the experiences she describes, things I have seen, marks on her body, seem abduction scenario to me, and I have been convinced there is a connection there.

Especially since the latest development: She sees "ships" cruise through outside our sliding glass door regularly. She "senses" them first, claims she gets a feeling/prodding to look out there. She describes what sounds to me to be the "TR3B Astra" black triangle craft, often with bright flashes. Pretty much daily for a couple weeks now, and it is almost comic how it seems I am like the pink panther/Mr Magoo, everytime she calls me to come to the living room I'm tied up with some kitchen disaster or mishear what she is saying or not hear at all.

She has been telling me she feels more and more like she has an implant, been having dizzy spells more frequently and not only in the house (she attributed all of that to the energy/spirits/whatever at the house.

So not to derail thread, I wanted to put some background down, some context--maybe there's a connection, maybe not. But it's the dreams, particularly the night I think it was three nights ago, dead sober (she drinks a lot, I believe to make it so she "won't dream"), where she describes 4-5 vivid dreams she remembers being important but could only remember the fish and one scene of "slaves" (they were all black, felt like she was back in American slave time), but what she really remembered was rather than "waking" from one she felt she was "pulled" from it and violent "thrust" into the next one, waking achy with a back and neck that has been getting progressively sorer since, in ways she has never felt.

It is so hard, she seems programmed to not be able to describe any of this well. It seems like when we get somewhere, she gets really irratated or distracted--its a real battle, even when (especially when) she starts out WANTING to discuss the less mundane possiblities. But who knows--maybe she is just schizo, like my ex. Or maybe my ex was an abductee, like my current girl. Six of one, half dozen of the other--I live with pretty much insanity, no matter how you classify it :p I guess it's comforting to know that I am not alone. Would be nice if I had ANY sensitivity to anything outside the "normal" senses....

[TigaHawk]

I have been enjoying my dreams, quite random and out there! but they are dreams!

I had not had dreams for the longest time, as i had been smoking pot to help sleep when working night shift. A side effect of this, is it stops you from dreaming. You fall assleep, you wake up the next dady, nothing in between.

If they continue, is there any way you can try to shield yourself from EMF while sleeping? IT may be worth a try, as i believe they need technology to screw with your brain.

[Kiforall]

I believe they can only mess with you if you have an underlying fear. Once you really clear out the last bit of fear, maybe you don't yet know what is scaring you. It's then you can start to be their nightmare or truth.

Zoe x

[angelahedgehog]

I've always had an active dream life. I am not convinced that our dreams are manipulated rather our subconscious fed information - throughout the day - in a sequence that triggers different kinds of dreams. The reason I say this is because if you become lucid in your dream, you can control or change it.
To believe that the government / ETs are controlling your dreams, your inner world, is disempowering ... Maybe they're trying, but they don't have to succeed.
You also have to be completely honest, if you're spending a lot of time online, reading about the ways in which we're being duped, controlled, abused etc. You are putting all that into your head yourself and it'll manifest itself in your dreams.

I think that Dreams are rarely anything other than your subconscious sorting and clearing information.

I had a dream as I was falling asleep in which a flood of legions of zombies and demons poured out into my dreamscape and began hacking and slashing - it looked cgi, it felt cgi and so I just allowed my Observer to take over (you know that part of you that never feels emotion, that simply watches?) I just watched till it was done and then the dream changed ... But it could have been anything that triggered it, I expose myself to a lot of terrifying info .... I haven't been online much for a few days, I've been reading about an idiot who goes abroad - so I dreamt I went on a wild holiday last night - was awesome. :)

[David Trd1]

I have had many dream experiences where the environment felt somewhat ''contrived'' shall we say.

One that stood out happened about 18 months ago,without boring you the main descriptive points consist of.

Me suddenly being in a episode of friends tv show(friends?) being enticed into the apartment from the hallway by monica,image snaps to me entering and Monica(now not quite her) sitting on a bed in the middle of the room,but it looks like a metal medical table/trolly with a blanket on top.There is no other furniture in the room accept for the facade of some drawn or imprinted on the walls.the Bed/trolly is the centerpiece.

I walk towards her and am about to kiss her,i am close now(This part i remember in full and vividly).She runs her finger along my lips and moves into kiss,she is not monica now,something stirs inside me and i suddenly become concious,realise i`m dreaming and this is a spirit/Ghost(my reference at the time).Then i step back and proceed to walk around the table whilst telling this entity repeatedly that it was actually infinite love.The face contorted and screeched and turned what i can only describe as completely demonic and horrible as i continued to walk around the table

The dream suddenly ends
I then wake up.
Immediately i go back to sleep.

Jump straight into a dream where i am being lead through a glass building,shopping center area with many people going to and fro with another ''tv personality'' walking beside me telling me ''we are just tracking this man'' ,i nod an agree quite perplexed as to whats going on.I see a very old man in blue overalls being lead into a side room by two ''suits'' and we follow,its all very hectic and fast paced and i am confused and haven`t` had time to get my bearings.She hasn`t addressed me once visually just walking and looking straight ahead.
Upon entering the room,its like an interrogation room from a bad cop show.I suddenly realize that its me they want and become conscious again and the word ''greys'' enters my mind and i close up and wake myself up.



Ive told some conscious people that i know of these dreams and have heard some stories,some 2nd hand of similar themes and situations,near identical in some cases to the first one in particular.My becoming conscious in that dream(and many since) co-coincided with me starting to really spend more time meditating.

I`m not a lucid dreamer per se but there seems to be a fail-safe in me that when there is danger or discrepancies i just ''wake up'' as it were and understand the situation im in and know ''instinctively'' how to re-act.For instance now the words ''i stand in my sovereignty,please leave'' come out when I have such dreams/experiences.
Now i do understand that the majority of dreams are self reflective and I have only had a handful since.But enough to find the phenomenon real for me at least in these cases.

Has anyone else had similar type dream situations??

I would be very interested to hear

Peace.

Dave

[donk]

I had not had dreams for the longest time, as i had been smoking pot to help sleep when working night shift. A side effect of this, is it stops you from dreaming. You fall assleep, you wake up the next dady, nothing in between.

You were dreaming, you just can't remember--short term memory loss.


The reason I say this is because if you become lucid in your dream, you can control or change it.


If you can control your dreams, is it that far fetched that others who truly understands the mechanics of that could possibly use their knowledge to manipulate others? Isn't that what a whole a group/type of "person" does to every other aspect of human life?


I have had many dream experiences where the environment felt somewhat ''contrived'' shall we say.

Has anyone else had similar type dream situations??


I wish I could relate (I have NN's "issue"), though I can tell you that listening to your situation is nearly identical to listening to my girlfriend. She feels she is being shown movies sometimes, sometimes she is more of participant but more often than not she is an outside observer being shown things that are not familiar. She sometimes comes out of the sleep state seeing entities/presences in the room, but then back to sleep so that she can't tell what's a dream.

Some times she wakes completely aroused. Once she woke and saw me as the devil. It may be self-reflective, may be emotional disturbed-ness, mental issue, whatever--though she believes something more is going on. I'm inclined to believe, though hold no attachment to any particular belief.

[minkton]

I have manipulated dreams, implanted too. I can easily tell they are not my own dreams, they are way too different from the flavour of my own unconscious. They are trying to change my self perception and my emotions so that I become someone who is not me, and have feelings that are not mine.

As I write this I wonder if this means I have an implant that is trying to flood my unconscious so that the consciousness of the implant is the dominant one.

AT the moment I am way stronger and I just wake from the deams with no belief in them as relevant to me, I also dont 'join in' , in the dream scenarios. Sometimes I am introduced to people that I dont wish to meet, and I actually attack them.. I then hear voices in the dream protesting, and the situation being cleared up.

I think these are astrally staged scenarios not genuine dreams at all. As I see it,they are wasting their time trying to brainwash me this way.. all it does is show me who they are.

Best case scenario is that they are there to make us question our reality and wake up.

But it is tough having ones dreams hacked. I dont like it at all.

[angelahedgehog]

I've had a little more time to ponder this today...

I don't thinks dreams are as cut and dried as we think. There are various things that can happen when you're in dream state. Don't write off the power of the type of information you take in consciously and subconsciously ... As previously stated, I think that's probably from where most dreams arise. But this is not what this thread is about.

In addition to regular dreams, and implanted dreams, I think it is possible that we 'travel' while asleep ... I feel like I exist in different places, know many more people who are not present in my waking life and there tends to be a sense of continuation to the different strands. I don't think this is manipulated by external forces. This is something I feel like I've chosen to do and on some level I feel in control....

Then there are the attacks / scary dreams and yes, I relate to these strongly - I wasn't thinking about this earlier when I replied, but it's worth mentioning now ..... I sometimes wonder if there have been times in my life when I've been abducted.
The thought of this being true is deeply unsettling .... there was a time about 5 years ago when I felt like my experiences in my dreams were "off", not usual and involved a lot of violence, being hunted .... Dreams in which I couldn't talk, shout for help or in some cases move - I still remember one in which I was being chased by these huge hell hounds and they found me, I managed to make enough noise for my spouse to wake me but I was in a terrified state .... And the timing coincided with a sort of crop circle type image that I noticed one morning in the condensation on one of my windows. It was inexplicable.
In hindsight, now i come to think of it, it stopped when we moved, a few months later - this was not the reason we moved.

The thing that I learned subsequently - maybe why the incidents stopped is to distance myself from the emotion by tapping into my impassive Observer. Maybe this too is just an implant, but I think one that I willed ... I hope it is. In any case, it helped make the dreams stop. I've had a couple since and I managed to slip out of them fairly easily but just observing. Hope that helps.

I've never talked about this - nobody I know would believe me ... 'Cept some of the like minded people that frequent this place.

Peace,
Ang x

[donk]

Thanks ang, great post. What I find most interesting, is that you seem to have totally changed your mind 180 degrees from your initial reaction. This is something that happens often in talks with my girlfriend about these types of subjects...she will state something she strongly believes (to me, something she WANTS to believe), in your case...


I think that Dreams are rarely anything other than your subconscious sorting and clearing information.

...changes, after consideration, to:


In addition to regular dreams, and implanted dreams, I think it is possible that we 'travel' while asleep

I am not assuming or accusing of anything, just sharing how this triggers memories of so many conversations with my girl. She will tell me the thing she REALLY thinks is happening, and I will then pose other suggestions that i have heard, then she will (often begrudgingly, more often after extreme irratation/agitation/or even total distraction) start "opening" herself to those suggestions...suddenly "remembering" things that resonate with what I said.

What I am doing here is what I keep trying to do with everyone I can...find someone that can relate to what she is going through, as I have absolutely no frame of reference....and she is like allergic to learning or exploring these topics...it's like she wants to, sooo bad, but there's an almost physical negative reaction when dealing with these topics. She has to force it, and it is very very difficult, no matter how delicately and objectively I present information

That "impassive observer" you mention is something very much I would like to help my girl tap into. Although I was thinking of it as her true self, beneath all the programming, or behid the "blocks". SHe is starting to come on board to the idea of implants/blocks/programming, though i do my very very best to push alternative ideas--I do not want to lead her anywhere, especially what others would consider so far out there.

Because ultimately I agree with this:


To believe that the government / ETs are controlling your dreams, your inner world, is disempowering ... Maybe they're trying, but they don't have to succeed.


But do you see what you said? It seems inconsistent with the rest of your post. I believe they ONLY can when you are not aware of it, or perhaps not aware of how to stop them. Just because the idea is disempowering does not take away your power--I think they CAN and DO succeed, and being aware and able to stop it soooo empowering.

Which brings me to the path I DO try to lead my girl down--the only REAL, FOR REAL super important truth is that "no fear" thing...that to me is the "objective" (aka fearless) observer. Unhealed trauma is probably 99% of any dream--and anything interefereing with it is using that, adding to it, or feeding off of it. So you can always take it down to the "mundane" level.

Sorry if I am getting incoherent as always do when i have a big connection that takes more than a sentence to make (when i only have a few minutes to type). I hope this makes and is not misunderstood...i so appreciate your post and this thread...

[angelahedgehog]

Thanks ang, great post. What I find most interesting, is that you seem to have totally changed your mind 180 degrees from your initial reaction. This is something that happens often in talks with my girlfriend about these types of subjects...she will state something she strongly believes (to me, something she WANTS to believe), in your case...

I think that I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I think that the majority of dreams are just internal clearing as I said in my first post. I tend to write what I think at the time I think it, then as I process what I thought, more thoughts emerge. Then they're compared with others and so on ... That's why the second post expanded on it a bit more.



I think that Dreams are rarely anything other than your subconscious sorting and clearing information.

...changes, after consideration, to:


In addition to regular dreams, and implanted dreams[/B], I think it is possible that we 'travel' while asleep


I am not assuming or accusing of anything, just sharing how this triggers memories of so many conversations with my girl. She will tell me the thing she REALLY thinks is happening, and I will then pose other suggestions that i have heard, then she will (often begrudgingly, more often after extreme irratation/agitation/or even total distraction) start "opening" herself to those suggestions...suddenly "remembering" things that resonate with what I said.

Or there is another explanation to consider, perhaps talking about things triggers memories that were temporarily suspended, or suppressed? You mention trauma processing later in your post, it is possible that dipping into the thoughts surrounding trauma takes longer to process and talk about.

For various reasons too complicated to fit into a sentence, my mind files memories away and when triggered they bob up and say "hello".
That particular time frame I referenced in the second post was really a snapshot of my life that was filled with an emotional charge - since then I left it behind, so it takes a little exertion on my part to relive those memories.

Not everybody thinks the exact same way. No way is more or less valid than any other. But maybe I say that because my brain processes information in complex ways.

If your girl thought the same way you do, you'd probably be bored (hope that's not too cheeky) ;)


That "impassive observer" you mention is something very much I would like to help my girl tap into. Although I was thinking of it as her true self, beneath all the programming, or behid the "blocks". SHe is starting to come on board to the idea of implants/blocks/programming, though i do my very very best to push alternative ideas--I do not want to lead her anywhere, especially what others would consider so far out there.


I reached that point through a process of catharsis - the after point - only a few years ago. The light at the end of the tunnel for me was fully understanding, comprehending and getting that this is all an illusion, fear is the absence of love and we manifest our future from our deeply held beliefs. Hence the importance in believing that they can't harm you in your dreams that have a high fear based emotional charge - that Robert Monroe suggested was called loosh.

Then after that point, i woke up the next day. Rent to be paid, family to support .... and understanding the illusion didn't change that i had to carry on living in it - hehe - so, I came down from my fluffy cloud and realised that I still had to live in the world but to be more selective and creative. So I stepped into the next phase - living with purpose - it's a work in progress. But I still have one eye on the illusion and the other on the game.

I hope that's a bit more coherent. I have limited writing time, many ideas and figure if anyone wants to know what I mean - if I've said anything worth saying - then they'll ask. Thanks for asking :)


Which brings me to the path I DO try to lead my girl down--the only REAL, FOR REAL super important truth is that "no fear" thing...that to me is the "objective" (aka fearless) observer. Unhealed trauma is probably 99% of any dream--and anything interefereing with it is using that, adding to it, or feeding off of it. So you can always take it down to the "mundane" level.

There a huge responsibility in knowing. Lovingly guide ... But never, ever, push.
If I understand that correctly, in other words, dreams are both about processing trauma and the energy payoff (loosh) for whatever parasite is somehow harvesting it?

So:
Therefore the impassive observer technique is useful for preventing fear energy from being harvested because it cuts it off.
But if the trauma needs to be dealt with, it may manifest in other ways.

Inelia Benz describes techniques in which negative energy can be felt, acknowledged, processed, thanked and then returned to source (I'm paraphrasing here), Inelia says it better....

2GozVABN1xI


Sorry if I am getting incoherent as always do when i have a big connection that takes more than a sentence to make (when i only have a few minutes to type). I hope this makes and is not misunderstood...i so appreciate your post and this thread...

I think this is a big subject. I am not sure if I'm following the whisker or the tail. But I hope this dialogue is constructive. You've given me some things to think about, thank you.

Peace,
Ang x

[donk]

Dang! I get a minute with laptop and won't let me login!! And I was rushed before as I needed to get home, so you have my excuses for the rushed, semi coherent posts! But it is important, and I love the dialogue, so I shall bang away on the phone, forgive lack of editing, cut/paste, and the autospeller (:

Heres some cheeky for you: I am not sure if you proved my point or were less coherent.

My thinking was along the lines of the "parasite" (dream manipulator) I am imagining as a possibility of effecting my girlfriend, op & others on this thread, and possibly you--but definitely my gf--may or may not have specific programming, wether it be some cue picked up subconsciously during waking life, a physical "chip" implant in the head, a psychic suggestion, even a spell or hex...whatever context the external manipulation may be...part of the execution (regardless of motive, be it straight fear consumption--aka vampirism, seeking information from your subconscious or brain, or planting info for you to spread or worry about, motive is another topic...hehehe maybe the op?)...anyways my long rambling is supposed to be: part of the program is jamming you up from looking into the program. Awareness of it (like you seem to say) empowers you, makes the program fail.

...But to me, it seems that sumb!tch gonna fight--activates the second she is conscious of it, makes her irratable or distracted, impossible to stay on topic about. Now I'm specifically referring to nearly ANYTHING that I can't directly sense, more commonly spirits, ghosts, demons, aliens, abductions...and dreams. She says she remembers them vividly, and then by the time she finishes her sentence, she has forgotten all but that fragment, plus the sense that it was "fake" and seemingly "presented", and it seemed important.

It seems like I am all over the place, but it all goes back to the op, which goes back to any technology or ED ability that is not easily recognized in our conscious minds. Which goes to the "Unhealed traumas" that are the root of not being able be completely fearless (objective observer). Which empowers even if the idea of outside manipulation is as friggin unreal as it sounds (but sure doesn't seem, to me it feels like okhams razor).

Anyway I'm looking forward to the inelia clip, I'll try to get my girl to watch w me. I appreciate you very much, and hope my post made sense...I'll fix tomorrow or explain later if it didnt come out right

[DNA]

I hear and agree with what your saying donk. I think things like this ( dream manipulation) are usually instances of external parasitic forces.

[donk]

Cool, I will take that as confirmation I'm not totally incoherent. Heh, just thougt of something! I'm trying to be the literal objective observer, for someone else's consciousness! It's kind of a tough job so forgive me for prodding and digging at anyone that I recognize as someone that may be able to relate to a situation I have no direct way of experiencing, though am very much affected by.

Before I was little fearful, worried that pushing was going to cause harm. Perhaps I did (I have some posts somewheres that describes me pushing to her a point of "shutting down", the vertigo she used to experience occasionally became frequent and extreme right as a direct result. But it is what is...I always give her what I believe could be worse case consequences of having a conversation). I feel like the dreaming thing is a phase up from that. She compensated, and as she improved, continue to grow and still hungers for truth, slowly (or rapidly, i guess) shedding more & more fears, it seems like a new attack...the physical pain didnt work, other 3d chaos didn't work...phase 2 or 3 is attack in the dream state?

Jesus...listening to myself I find it coming back to me (stfu stupid ego!!). I can't call this an attack, that would only make sense if it was only about me. It isn't. It could just as easily be a warning. Or light forces, trying to get a message through (& meeting resistance?). Or mAybe some of those nature spirits showing us how we look to them. Of any of a nbet of things that are beyond our perception. Comparing notes is important, I think.

[donk]

Gosh, I never connected my "cheeky" comment to anything, it sounds harsh hanging like that. I just meant that your post reminded me very much of how the conversations between me and my girlfriend go, in that it seems like we can understand and relate to one another totally, but there's something just knocking a bunch of important connections 90 degrees askew so that there is that ALMOST feeling but just slightly disconnecting. And the subject seems to seamless change without even realizing it (though that's probably all me & my ADD)


Not sure if that sounded any better, but my point is meant no offense

[DNA]

When reaching in the dark using atrophied perceptions to describe what you are intuitively sensing, it is difficult to be more than vague. And sometimes it's best just to be vague. This topic can get dark and nefarious rather quickly. It's almost like what's the point if we can't offer real world solutions. Case in point donk, if your girl exhibits signs of shutting down due to the pursuing of this topic, then maybe you should let it go. Sometimes entities use trauma based damage done to our energy field as a point of entry. This does not mean pushing her in this direction will help things. It may do her good to discuss the possible trauma and concentrate on healing rather than the other stuff. Or she may wish to avoid the whole topic all together. I would respect this if that is the case.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I firmly believe we get manipulated in our dream state by alien/government technology somehow.They get into your memories and they set scenes up that just"blow you away". Families members and close friends are used against you in the manipulated state, a severe lucid dream that I stood my ground against police attack, unspeakable things about my daughter,dead relatives and died friends. Project Blue Beam stuff in the sky. It's hard to explain. Each scene I stood my ground and kept saying it's a dream but I couldn't wake up from it .

When I did wake up I found myself groggy and I closed my eyes and human looking enities appeared all around in the darkness noding their heads in the "yes" up and down motion.


I've been researching a lot of the John Lear material recently. I believe when you start uncovering truth for yourself they ,alien/government, use dream manipulation to keep you in check or try to anyway.

Remember when you become awakened you become a threat regardless of your social standing or lot in life. The more awake--the more the threat.........

You would know best what is happening in your individual situation. I do want to state that there are other things that can interfere with your dream activity.
Ghosts for example, do it quite a bit. The old hag syndrom that folks report, from what I've been able to glean from my own instances of this, some ghosts have learned how to manipulate the connection between body and astral body, and as such can either follow you into the astral plane or mess with your souls ability to reimerse itself back into the body.

It might sound silly but I've had a nature entity do this as well. It might sound like a stretch, but elves and gnomes and the like exist but at a different frequency or density than humans. They prefer the pristine areas where nature still rules, and from what I can tell have devoloped a strong dislike for humans on account of our destructive actions as it relates to their habitat. Houses and or commercial real estate built in these areas can result in some pissed off nature folk.

I don't discount the alien thing though, that stuff can happen, but you ussually have to be pretty close to pulling back the veil and seeing things for what they are. From my experiences, this isn't ussually a information thing, but a perception thing. Knowing parts of the truth is no where near as dangerous as seeing certain parts of the truth.
Just my take. :)


I agree on the gnomes, i used to see them all the time when i was young.

Your dream state is unique because you are extremely relaxed. This lets your etheric state open up and tune into your surrounding energies. We are transcievers. We can pick up and transmit into the matrix or cosmos. So you may be picking up or seeing a distant memory of your future. Because the dream was un plesant you would have woken up while still in paralysis. Your body does this to you to stop you from injuring body parts when you go into REM state.

N

[angelahedgehog]

Dang! I get a minute with laptop and won't let me login!! And I was rushed before as I needed to get home, so you have my excuses for the rushed, semi coherent posts! But it is important, and I love the dialogue, so I shall bang away on the phone, forgive lack of editing, cut/paste, and the autospeller (:

Heres some cheeky for you: I am not sure if you proved my point or were less coherent.

Does it matter? I wasn't trying to negate your point in the first place - hehe, I was just attempting (apparently quite unsuccessfully) to explain myself.
I'm not really that convinced I was talking at cross purposes with myself or anyone (nothing is absolute except the Absolute Truth - which changes the more you look at it, and the more points of view you look at it from).

I hadn't really given it much thought beyond the past 24 hours ... and trying to write at the same time as watch a movie (sensitive because my hubby pointing out that though I'm with him, I'm not "with" him) - at the end of a week of looking after a little one with gastro and washing everything that got caught in the epic, ongoing vomming - in the middle of winter when it takes ages to dry - it's very likely I was replying to other references in your post - the ones that stood out for me ...
We are all reflections of each other. If it wasn't in me, I couldn't see it in you ... if it's not in you, you couldn't see it in me ... y'know?

It occurs to me that just because we type in the English language doesn't mean we necessarily understand each other - it's a miracle when we do :).
We have no non-verbal cues to go on and culturally we understand words in slightly different ways and because we're doing this chunks of text at a time - we're assuming we're addressing what the other is asking - I'm fairly new to interacting online with strangers ... usually I give an opinion, thought etc. and then move on.
Ah well - now see what you made me do - I've never written so much online ever! (Now if I could only apply this to finalising the editing on my first three chapters I'm preparing to submit next week .... I'd be smiling ... but this seems to be a far more pressing matter (says the mrs of procrastination))

I read it back and honestly it still makes sense to me - I guess I could have expanded it some more, or reduced it to it's essence - but ... the thought of doing that really does make me want to go lie down somewhere quiet and catch up on some zzzzz's. I think in hindsight I could have been a bit less exact - instead used softer terms.


My thinking was along the lines of the "parasite" (dream manipulator) I am imagining as a possibility of effecting my girlfriend, op & others on this thread, and possibly you--but definitely my gf--may or may not have specific programming, wether it be some cue picked up subconsciously during waking life, a physical "chip" implant in the head, a psychic suggestion, even a spell or hex...whatever context the external manipulation may be...part of the execution (regardless of motive, be it straight fear consumption--aka vampirism, seeking information from your subconscious or brain, or planting info for you to spread or worry about, motive is another topic...hehehe maybe the op?)...anyways my long rambling is supposed to be: part of the program is jamming you up from looking into the program. Awareness of it (like you seem to say) empowers you, makes the program fail.

Okay .... this is in addition to everything else I've said ... some new thoughts just occurred to me now ...
I think that there is more likelihood of interference occurring at any time than just in your sleep. HOWEVER I think that during sleep it is possible that you're being bombarded ... but some people are more receptive than others.
I could be wrong? What do you think?

Interference could happen to anybody.
For all you know, you are being influenced right now. Maybe you have been lead to see what is in others because it's in yourself .... ooooh freaky :)
Thing is I wondered sometimes if the impassive observer is just a porthole for external viewers to have a look at a point in time from a particular point of view - I cannot prove this - it's just yet another concept to chuck in the mix.

Maybe it could also be that we are at points in time, whipped out of our conscious timelines for whatever reasons, poked, prodded, whatever and then put back a second after we were whipped out - with an altered memory - so we're none the wiser.
If this is the case then where do we suppose we might process the emotional / mental "energy" - in our dreams perhaps?

I mentioned in one of my earlier posts that my more hectic dreams occurred when I lived somewhere else ... when I moved, the dreams stopped.
I also mentioned that I sometimes wonder if I was being abducted then ... I still don't know, which is why this is an interesting discussion for me. Okay, it's a bit more public than I'd like and I hope nobody gets angry or insulting with me about it .... I'm just expressing what I am able to draw out of my mind.
I tend to write more with a Stream of Consciousness method that I edit later and I experience many "and another thing" moments when I open the datastream in my brain ....

So without fully understanding everything .... my feelings of being attacked left me when I moved .... maybe they upgraded whatever it was .... maybe the transmission came from an external source and moving to a completely different area put me out of reach of the signals ... NOW I no longer feel like there are external influences in my dreams ....

It's just LATELY I have been having a lot of traveling dreams which is unusual because USUALLY my dreams are just about mundane everyday things that I talk about, people I meet etc.

LATELY I feel like I am travling around wrapping up loose ends, making peace with things that I suppressed because at the time I didn't have the tools to deal with them .... Maybe this is because the Mayan Calendar countdown ends shortly and the Farsight Institute and others suggest a large volume of water displacement is imminent, and apparently the Blue Kachina has been spotted ... so again it could Just be my subconscious clearing (we've come full circle again haha)

Oh goodness ... there's another aspect to dreams and dream states that I've just thought of - not necessarily psychic attacks - more like inter-dimensional interaction .... do I bring it up? .... nah. Let's move on...



...But to me, it seems that sumb!tch gonna fight--activates the second she is conscious of it, makes her irratable or distracted, impossible to stay on topic about. Now I'm specifically referring to nearly ANYTHING that I can't directly sense, more commonly spirits, ghosts, demons, aliens, abductions...and dreams. She says she remembers them vividly, and then by the time she finishes her sentence, she has forgotten all but that fragment, plus the sense that it was "fake" and seemingly "presented", and it seemed important.

Here's the thing - does it seem like I'm not able to talk about these things?
Or does it seem instead that I'm drawing on a wide pool of data that hasn't been indexed yet and so it's coming out in a fairly shapeless way?
I'm not feeling any negative emotions, in fact I'm enjoying the opportunity to draw it all out.

But to address your point ... it's interesting you say that about your girl .... because there was a time in my past before I met with my impassive observer .... where I met a couple of people through the course of my life that were able to draw information out of me, and then suggest that I forget what we talked about ....
I remember setting mental trigger points for myself .... and although it took years to work back .... I am able to pull back some of the content that I thought was lost .... it was just filed in a temporarily inaccessible location. I find it tiring to think about this - but that itself makes me want to access it ....

To support your point, it's worth mentioning that I have found that certain subjects that I didn't want to discuss, just switches me off. But nowadays that's just crap information streamed through the eejit box in the living room ...
Even now, if people start talking about something fatuous that I don't think deserves a space in my very crammed head (like celebrities or reality rubbish television) I just switch off and I can't recall a word of what they said later - it's embarrassing for me because I know they think I should be interested in the same things as them .... but I just see it as repeats of the same patterns that have gone before, except each time it's copied, the copy gets more and more wobbly - and right now it's got to be pretty special to even garner a second's worth of interest.

I just create a note about where it sits in the game and move on (I mentioned before that thing about one eye on the illusion and the other on the game?)

Even telly shows that I like, I watch (without ads) and then discard unless it's really useful to know.

However stuff that I think is important - like what the hell is going on here, is our planet going down the toilet, are the ETs in charge, has there been a coup on Earth, Who am I anyway and when I return back to the Universe, what are my alternatives for spending an eternity because I'm not all that impressed with this planet .... you know stuff like that? - Well that remains in my focus - and to my celebrity-struck buddies and mates - this makes me the dullest person they've ever met.

When I first looked at this topic I thought it'd be a quick in and out - but the longer I look, the more complex it is - I don't know if the interference is internal, external, both or neither ... (you're going into the nuts and bolts of fundamental concepts like push-pull, is and is-notness).

I think it's like an atom .... it exists, and then simply by being looked at it changes. Maybe it's the same as with this .... the more I talk about it, the more I reflect on what has happened, stuff I've filed away in a box marked "to understand eventually" ....

Anyways, I'm in agreement with you and what you've said, I wanted to clarify some points, I've added some more (oops sorry) ..... and now I'm going to have some coffee and sort out the mountain of washing before finalising the chapters - hopefully the world will not end before I am published .... that would make me cross.

Take care
Ang x

[angelahedgehog]

I can't call this an attack, that would only make sense if it was only about me. It isn't. It could just as easily be a warning. Or light forces, trying to get a message through (& meeting resistance?). Or mAybe some of those nature spirits showing us how we look to them. Of any of a nbet of things that are beyond our perception. Comparing notes is important, I think.

I think you've hit on a truth in this. Looking at the statement you made, you could rationalise it as an external process but it could just as easily be an internal one (something set at DNA level) - the applying of learning. When you learn, you expand.

Have you noticed that when you awaken, you become aware of things you never noticed before and each encounter of one of these things becomes a challenge to everything else you know. Maybe the "shutting down" process you mentioned occurs when her information tank is full ... then you give it some time, let it process ... then there's room to add some more .... eventually it beds down. Seeds take time to germinate.

Peace,
Ang x

[angelahedgehog]

Gosh, I never connected my "cheeky" comment to anything, it sounds harsh hanging like that. I just meant that your post reminded me very much of how the conversations between me and my girlfriend go, in that it seems like we can understand and relate to one another totally, but there's something just knocking a bunch of important connections 90 degrees askew so that there is that ALMOST feeling but just slightly disconnecting. And the subject seems to seamless change without even realizing it (though that's probably all me & my ADD)

Your cheek made me smile, I'm not that sensitive :)
I'm really enjoying the discussion - I'm also a bit apprehensive that you might take offence to what I say - we're sharing notes, discussing, finding common ground - really it is not my intention to have anything other than a positive exchange of information.
And maybe in trying to make sense of your girl in your real life, you manifested an opportunity to explore it in writing ...

[donk]

You couldn't possibly offend me, I'm done taking things personally, it's exhausting.

Thanks for your (& DNA's) insight, I am in agreement. I am not certain what triggered me to project distraction on to you, considering I'm well aware that I am constantly all over the place!

It's just LATELY I have been
having a lot of traveling dreams which is unusual because USUALLY my dreams are just about mundane everyday things that I talk about, people I meet etc.

I need to think on the new posts some, by the above is what jumped out at me. It just seems like more & more people are experiencing that. I gotta quit with the herb, and try it out. I been meaning to, but I'm pretty addicted, & quit cigs just two months ago. I couldn't give up two addictions at the same time, nicotine withdrawal was not good for my family, needed a Lil something to calm me down in emergencies!

Got to run for now. Seems like we are on same page...

[Arrowwind]

Truth4me,

I have had experiences similar to what you describe, on and off, all my life.

To the best of my understanding at this point in time I can say that not all these experiences stem from the same causes.

Some, for me, have definitely been ET contacts. Some have been entity attacks. Some have been past life memories. Some have been prophetic dreams. And some I'm still trying to figure out.

Best to you in figuring out yours,

Daughter of Time

I agree with daughter of time.
A good part of the solution is to foritfy your shields.
Many people dont realize that they even have shields.
These shields can be disrupted by your own lack of awareness
hence making you vulnerable to attacks.

You can find help through various pathways.
Meditation with a good teacher,
work in understanding your chakras and mentally reinforcing their activity and energy flow.
Visualization work in reinforcing your shields
Aura Cleansing
Reiki sessions
Smudging with sage
Prayer
developing greater contact with highself
allignment with spiritually clean people
calling upon what ever masters you work with

You cannot sit around willy nilly passively hoping for it to go away. It is awake up call to empower yourself and make yourself greater than you believe capable... to redirect and take control of your reality.

[donk]

Yeah well, I'm working hard trying to figure it out, seeking for the best option among yours and other's suggestion. Only thing I guess I can do more of is--quit the short-term memory killer, check myself to make sure I'm not pushing too much, gather as much info as I can, & practice and learn the best way to share it.

I'm on a fact finding mission!

We watched adjustment bureau las night, my gf matter of factly told me she'd seen a pair of "men in black" years before she met me. Not telling that to derail the thread, but to show I'm trying to understand stuff about someone's dreams/consciousness that is so far from my usual frame of reference...

& these little nuggets like "oh I seen some mibs" are getting more and more frequent, I can barely digest one area of inquiry before something new comes along! I know a lot of that is just talking about things she hasn't let herself think about her whole life out of fear of being seen as crazy. I expose her to so many ideas and she is starting to get better & better at unlocking memories and opening up new ways of looking at her experiences...so Thanks for all of your input

I know the most important part is getting her to heal herself...&& truly know herself, that is difficulty enough. But we're coming along. Very empowering journey, what a pong strange trip it's been!