Civil war in Laos

[PathWalker]

I found this post in Ben Fulford blog:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/11/the-following-letter-has-been-sen-to-the-vatican-by-the-undersigned-who-is-a-vietnam-war-veteran-still-living-in-south-east-a.html

Laos is described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos


Your Eminence:
I write to you to request the help of the Holy See. At this time there is a large scale civil war in Laos. The Lao government failed to pay the pensions to the retired Lao military, then the government confiscated the land held be the retired Lao military, leaving them with no way to raise crops to feed their families. The confiscated lands were given to Vietnam and Chinese interests, and as a consequence the retired Lao military took up arms against the Lao government. President Obama failed to even mention this civil war in his recent speech in Bangkok.
Also,there is a major humanitarian effort to help the poor people of Laos. Since July, my associate Dr. Pao Yang has been in Bangkok meeting in person with the UN High Commissioner for Refugees to discuss the details for this UN-approved large-scale humanitarian aid project. When the aid is delivered, I know that your subordinate in Laos, Bishop Thao, will be contacted to assist with the delivery of the humanitarian aid on the ground in Laos; I pray that the Bishop and his congregation are well and safe.
In Bangkok, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees should have all the details that he has worked out in his meetings with Dr. Pao Yang. I do know Bishop Thao's relative in Providence, Rhode Island, and I endorsed the visa application of his wife, Mrs. Dao Thao. I hope that your good offices and the Holy See will help with these important matters. Kind regards.
Yours in Christ,
W. Tynan Brown
Notre Dame Class of 1972

Please post any information about this drama.

[spiritguide]

Well wasn't Obama and his entourage in the neigborhood recently. How many will we kill now in the name of eliminating human suffering? Time to get hold of the golden triangle and continue drugs for guns in the area. If the story is true then we are moving on from the mid east to the far east. IMHO

[Flash]

nothing about this in French

[Flash]

but i found this


Did Cambodia's First Lady mock Obama with greeting typically 'meant for servants'?

Laos News.Net Friday 23rd November, 2012

US President Barack Obama's historic first trip to Southeast Asia ended with a questionably disrespectful greeting Cambodia's First Lady Bun Rany shared with him.


Obama became the first ever U.S. president to visit Cambodia earlier this week, when he ended his four-day visit to the region by attending the annual East Asia Summit it was hosting.

The president had made it clear he was only in Cambodia to attend the summit.

According to the Daily Mail, Obama met Prime Minister Hun Sen that White House officials described as tense, with the president emphasizing his concerns over the Cambodian leader's poor democratic leadership model and the country's worsening human rights abuses.

Just before dinner, Sen formally introduced his wife, Cambodia's First Lady Bun Rany, to the president.

Rany greeted Obama with the traditional 'sampeah' greeting, a pressed-hands gesture that signifies respect for a person.

Where a person's hands are placed and how deeply they bow during the gesture indicates their level of respect for the person they are greeting, the report said.

Rany placed her hands at chest level and tilted the upper half of her body slightly, leading the editorial board at Investor's Business Daily to believe that she was showing disrespect to the president, the report added.

"First lady Bun Rany greeted Obama with a traditional "sampeah" pressed-hands greeting reserved for servants, a little dig that was probably lost on him but not to Asians,' the editorial board wrote.

A sampeah at mouth level is reserved for bosses, elders or higher-ranking people. For parents, grandparents or teachers, a sampeah is typically raised to nose level and when saluting the king or monks, the sampeah is raised to eyebrow level, the report saId.

According to Investor's Business Daily and a few bloggers, however, Rany's sampeah was only 'fit for a servant'. (ANI)
http://www.laosnews.net/index.php/sid/210913649/scat/a6670896145a3ae3#./a6670896145a3ae3?&_suid=135368083449404149035046647104

[bram]

I found this post in Ben Fulford blog:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/11/the-following-letter-has-been-sen-to-the-vatican-by-the-undersigned-who-is-a-vietnam-war-veteran-still-living-in-south-east-a.html

Laos is described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos


Your Eminence:
I write to you to request the help of the Holy See. At this time there is a large scale civil war in Laos. The Lao government failed to pay the pensions to the retired Lao military, then the government confiscated the land held be the retired Lao military, leaving them with no way to raise crops to feed their families. The confiscated lands were given to Vietnam and Chinese interests, and as a consequence the retired Lao military took up arms against the Lao government. President Obama failed to even mention this civil war in his recent speech in Bangkok.
Also,there is a major humanitarian effort to help the poor people of Laos. Since July, my associate Dr. Pao Yang has been in Bangkok meeting in person with the UN High Commissioner for Refugees to discuss the details for this UN-approved large-scale humanitarian aid project. When the aid is delivered, I know that your subordinate in Laos, Bishop Thao, will be contacted to assist with the delivery of the humanitarian aid on the ground in Laos; I pray that the Bishop and his congregation are well and safe.
In Bangkok, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees should have all the details that he has worked out in his meetings with Dr. Pao Yang. I do know Bishop Thao's relative in Providence, Rhode Island, and I endorsed the visa application of his wife, Mrs. Dao Thao. I hope that your good offices and the Holy See will help with these important matters. Kind regards.
Yours in Christ,
W. Tynan Brown
Notre Dame Class of 1972

Please post any information about this drama.

These 'retired military'- I assume these are the fascist forces who were fighting in America's secret war, and were responsible for so many massacres and war crimes at this time? Most of the senior ones, as I recall, were expatriated to the US after the Vietnamese overran the American forces there, so its not surprising that there is still a rift between the so-called retired military and the government.

However, its good to have this information- if there is a civil war going onm why is it being kept a secret? Or is this disinformation prior to opening up of the country (a la Myanmar) to the forces of globalization?

[andrewgreen]

Laos outside of Vientiane barely has roads. Maybe their is some disagreements going on and possibly thier will be a coup but certainly not full scale war. These are some of the most simple nature loving people who live connected to the earth, they simply wouldn't have time for war anywhere outside of the capital.

[bram]

but i found this


Did Cambodia's First Lady mock Obama with greeting typically 'meant for servants'?

Laos News.Net Friday 23rd November, 2012

US President Barack Obama's historic first trip to Southeast Asia ended with a questionably disrespectful greeting Cambodia's First Lady Bun Rany shared with him.


Obama became the first ever U.S. president to visit Cambodia earlier this week, when he ended his four-day visit to the region by attending the annual East Asia Summit it was hosting.

The president had made it clear he was only in Cambodia to attend the summit.

According to the Daily Mail, Obama met Prime Minister Hun Sen that White House officials described as tense, with the president emphasizing his concerns over the Cambodian leader's poor democratic leadership model and the country's worsening human rights abuses.

Just before dinner, Sen formally introduced his wife, Cambodia's First Lady Bun Rany, to the president.

Rany greeted Obama with the traditional 'sampeah' greeting, a pressed-hands gesture that signifies respect for a person.

Where a person's hands are placed and how deeply they bow during the gesture indicates their level of respect for the person they are greeting, the report said.

Rany placed her hands at chest level and tilted the upper half of her body slightly, leading the editorial board at Investor's Business Daily to believe that she was showing disrespect to the president, the report added.

"First lady Bun Rany greeted Obama with a traditional "sampeah" pressed-hands greeting reserved for servants, a little dig that was probably lost on him but not to Asians,' the editorial board wrote.

A sampeah at mouth level is reserved for bosses, elders or higher-ranking people. For parents, grandparents or teachers, a sampeah is typically raised to nose level and when saluting the king or monks, the sampeah is raised to eyebrow level, the report saId.

According to Investor's Business Daily and a few bloggers, however, Rany's sampeah was only 'fit for a servant'. (ANI)
http://www.laosnews.net/index.php/sid/210913649/scat/a6670896145a3ae3#./a6670896145a3ae3?&_suid=135368083449404149035046647104

A fit greeting, I would suggest. America's shameful actions in Cambodia can never be made good, unless the whole nation is prepared to look at what it did and repent. It would probably have been better if Obama hod gone down on his knees.

[Flash]

A fit greeting, I would suggest. America's shameful actions in Cambodia can never be made good, unless the whole nation is prepared to look at what it did and repent. It would probably have been better if Obama hod gone down on his knees.



I absolutely agree 100%.

Are you aware Bram that most American, 99.9% of them have absolutely no clue of what they have done to Cambodia and that they were instrumental into having the Kmer Rouge take power which caused millions of slow, tortured, death. The killing fields of Cambodia were started with American bombs.

I know the inside stories going towards this having been acquainted with the family of the then Cambodia ambassador to Washington. He was begging the American government not to bomb his country for days prior, crying at the nightmare that would be unleashed on his people. And these attacks were quite covert, so he did not have international awareness and support.

He did not see the need for that, Cambodia having almost always been on the western side. We know what happened afterward. North Vietnam helped the previously very weak Kmer Rouge get installed and take power.

Americans had opened the way with their bombs to the worst form of communism one can think of by destroying the power in place which was safeguarding against communism.

I also met some of the left for dead in the killing fields, schooled Cambodians that came out of Cambodia having lost their entire families, some blind, some other traumatised for life. The last person I met had only her sister left when they tried escaping to Thailand and on the way, her remaining sister blew up on a mine.

One of the saddest history of humanity is the Cambodian history, with the Tutsis coming second.

It is not nice to say for my American friends whom I cherish, but this is nevertheless the truth.

[ThePythonicCow]

but i found this


Did Cambodia's First Lady mock Obama with greeting typically 'meant for servants'?

Laos News.Net Friday 23rd November, 2012

US President Barack Obama's historic first trip to Southeast Asia ended with a questionably disrespectful greeting Cambodia's First Lady Bun Rany shared with him.

Here's an image of this:


http://www.investors.com/image/issuesObama_112112.jpg.cms

ouch :p

(I lived in Thailand for a year; that's not a respectful greeting.)

[ThePythonicCow]

And here's Obama greeting famous activist Aung San Suu Kyi:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/19/article-2234978-161B1521000005DC-518_634x462.jpg
She does not look like she would have chosen that form of greeting.

From the Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_OBAMA_STOPPING_TRAFFIC?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-19-07-18-16):



As Obama stood next to the world's most recognized democracy icon, he mispronounced her name repeatedly.

Ever gracious, Suu Kyi did not correct her American guest for calling her Aung YAN Suu Kyi multiple times during his statement to reporters after their meeting.

Proper pronunciation for the Nobel laureate's name is Ahng Sahn Soo Chee.

[ThePythonicCow]

I found this post in Ben Fulford blog:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/11/the-following-letter-has-been-sen-to-the-vatican-by-the-undersigned-who-is-a-vietnam-war-veteran-still-living-in-south-east-a.html

...Please post any information about this drama.

Feeling a bit bad for straying off the topic with which you began the thread, I went searching for more news of either

this current civil war in Laos involving retired military, or
the humanitarian effort involving Dr. Pao Yang and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees in Bangkok.

I could find nothing on either topic.

[Flash]

it is ok paul, i found nothing either, in any language. So it must be smaller localised fights.

I am happy I took the opportunity to describe what happened to Cambodia and why. Most American are ill informed and would have frown, knowing this.

If only a few more learn something about American involvement and impact in the world, it is fine by my standards.

I will keep looking for Laos in the coming days. It was a French protectorate, something may surface in French.

[mosquito]

So, it's only according to Fulford that there's a civil war ............ ????

Both Laos and Cambodia still have a major problem with unexploded ordnance (mostly landmines) lying around waiting to kill and maim their civilians. Rather than that odious off-white charlatan turning up and expecting to be treated with respect, wouldn't it be far more approriate for the USA to send a large contigent of troops to these countries in order to clear up the mess which THEY left behind ?

[ThePythonicCow]

If only a few more learn something about American involvement and impact in the world, it is fine by my standards.
Indeed :).

[bram]

it is ok paul, i found nothing either, in any language. So it must be smaller localised fights.

I am happy I took the opportunity to describe what happened to Cambodia and why. Most American are ill informed and would have frown, knowing this.

If only a few more learn something about American involvement and impact in the world, it is fine by my standards.

I will keep looking for Laos in the coming days. It was a French protectorate, something may surface in French.

Hi Flash,

I would appreciate to hear anything further you find on either Laos or Cambodia, and also your views on what happened during the wars. My visit to Cambodia was the most heart-rending experience I have ever had in this lifetime, just to imagine how one human being could behave in such a way towards another human being was something I found impossible; the ignorance of most Americans towards their causal role in this massive human tragedy I also found galling.

I then reflected on my own childhood growing up in the UK; how we were indoctrinated in school with the glories of the British Empire, and not a word about the disgraceful human suffering perpetrated in the cause of looting and pillaging half of the globe. I would say we Brits are probably as ignorant of our guilt as the American people are of theirs, and similarly less aware than people from other countries. This, alas, is the way of brainwashing.

Buddhism tells us that in the endless cycle of birth and rebirth, every sentient being has been your mother on numerous occasions. We should therefore treat all living things as we would treat our own mother.

For anybody who has the stomach, there is much information (and disinformation) about what happened in the wars in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos available on the internet, but be warned that it might not make comfortable reading

[bram]

And here's Obama greeting famous activist Aung San Suu Kyi:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/19/article-2234978-161B1521000005DC-518_634x462.jpg
She does not look like she would have chosen that form of greeting.

From the Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_OBAMA_STOPPING_TRAFFIC?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-19-07-18-16):



As Obama stood next to the world's most recognized democracy icon, he mispronounced her name repeatedly.

Ever gracious, Suu Kyi did not correct her American guest for calling her Aung YAN Suu Kyi multiple times during his statement to reporters after their meeting.

Proper pronunciation for the Nobel laureate's name is Ahng Sahn Soo Chee.



LOL, this looks like a George W Bush special.....