The Vatican's Translator Speaks the Truth.

[Kiforall]

Mauro Biglino worked at the Vatican for 10 years, he was the translator of ancient Hebrew from the original Masoretic text of the Bible.

His research shows there was no mention of God in any of the ancient texts. The word God has been translated wrongly from the ancient Hebrew word Elohim, but Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

It seems to me that when the original breakoff from the good and pure entities occured that was when the PTW began to influence people for their own good.

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:

Mauro Biglino's website.

http://www.maurobiglino.com/research.php

Literal Bible - Exposing the Holy Book

D6kpZKcTQBY

Zoe x

[johnf]

Interesting indeed , I have run into several references to the Elohim as being a race instead of either one physical being , or a transcendent god. The tselem attributes fit nicely with a lot more believable stories of the creation of man.

[Chester]

if we look at the known history and the suspected history of Earth alone, the belief in "One God" is a blip in time.

[Arrowwind]

But a belief in god or gods or goddesses have always been there.
I think its a relfection in our inate knowning that we are all of god and hence we are god.


The god concept or belief or realization is more present today than at any other time in history... even if it is still but a small voice within the many.
We are realizing our divine right and destiny to life, liberty and evolution of soull

as above so below
as within so without

we can only percieve that which is in us to perceive

[Kiforall]

When Moses was on the mountain and asked the 'being' it's name and it was translated into written word would his voice have been energy?

Is that why it wasn't possible to write it in any language-is that why we have so many ancient symbols for 'energy'?

Zoe x

[ROMANWKT]

Now you guys are talking , search some more, and you will find its all lies and story's given to the sheep.

regards and good one

roman

[Billy]

Now you guys are talking , search some more, and you will find its all lies and story's given to the sheep.

regards and good one

roman

Hi Roman. Avalon has been talking for a long time now. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

Edit Please do not merge the threads as it is good that Mauro is attracting more attention.

peace

[ROMANWKT]

Now you guys are talking , search some more, and you will find its all lies and story's given to the sheep.

regards and good one

roman

Hi Roman. Avalon has been talking for a long time now. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

peace

Hi billyji

Yes, just had a look, saw it before but not totally, had copied the post and will read it, thank you.

regards to you billyji

roman

[blufire]

The following bible verse from what is considered the Old Testament is telling the story of the creation of mankind . . . . .

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:26 New King James Version

My question from the very beginning of my bible study days, of which no supposedly learned minister or preacher could ever answer legitimately has been . . . just who was “God” talking to”?

[Arrowwind]

yep, who were they talking to?

and elohim has a lot of translation problems regarding singularity or plurality. god or gods?

[gripreaper]

Here at Avalon it's not so strange to look at the ancient texts, in their proper translation, and see that these alleged gods came from outer space, were giants, took our women, created a hybrid race, stole our gold, blew up the entire planet in a nuclear holocaust, and it took them 15,000 years to restore that technology, which is where we are now.

It is these same space aliens who have written the lies of history, hidden the truth, obfuscated and built stories and symbolism around what really happened, and continue to manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, pillage, and slander us.

How anyone can still believe that this group of aliens is somehow the benevolent creator, a single god entity, is just not paying attention to the facts. Religion has been, and continues to this day, to be the single most reprehensible and deleterious pack of lies these evil thieves ever devised.

After 200,000 years of this crap, don't you think it is time to wake up and throw the banksters off this planet and send them back to where they came from?

[delfine]

Mauro Biglino worked at the Vatican for 10 years, he was the translator of ancient Hebrew from the original Masoretic text of the Bible.

His research shows there was no mention of God in any of the ancient texts. The word God has been translated wrongly from the ancient Hebrew word Elohim, but Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

It seems to me that when the original breakoff from the good and pure entities occured that was when the PTW began to influence people for their own good.

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:

Mauro Biglino's website.

http://www.maurobiglino.com/research.php

Literal Bible - Exposing the Holy Book

D6kpZKcTQBY

Zoe x

Very interesting. Thanks.

[Kiforall]

Here at Avalon it's not so strange to look at the ancient texts, in their proper translation, and see that these alleged gods came from outer space, were giants, took our women, created a hybrid race, stole our gold, blew up the entire planet in a nuclear holocaust, and it took them 15,000 years to restore that technology, which is where we are now.

It is these same space aliens who have written the lies of history, hidden the truth, obfuscated and built stories and symbolism around what really happened, and continue to manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, pillage, and slander us.

How anyone can still believe that this group of aliens is somehow the benevolent creator, a single god entity, is just not paying attention to the facts. Religion has been, and continues to this day, to be the single most reprehensible and deleterious pack of lies these evil thieves ever devised.

After 200,000 years of this crap, don't you think it is time to wake up and throw the banksters off this planet and send them back to where they came from?

I had a hate of the Aliens that I know refer to celestial beings.

I began to understand that everything was done for a reason.

I try to trust myself

I try to release myself to a place where I don't need to know the answers.

I already know them.

It is when I stop asking the questions that the answers appear.

Zoe x

[jagman]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.

[Kiforall]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.

Yes, WE are a bit special

:wizard:

Zoe x

[Prodigal Son]

The following bible verse from what is considered the Old Testament is telling the story of the creation of mankind . . . . .

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:26 New King James Version



My question from the very beginning of my bible study days, of which no supposedly learned minister or preacher could ever answer legitimately has been . . . just who was “God” talking to”?

Oh the Watchtower nailed that one down long ago... it's none other than Jesus, the Master Worker of Proverbs 8....

... but Jehovah was the Mastermind and drew up the blueprints....

Yes good lord I actually believed that up until my mid-forties..... :eek:

[Rogerc]

Sad thing for you brother.

[truth4me]

Being born and raised in the bible belt state of Arkansas you were and to an extent still are considered an outcast if you don't believe in the bible. Well,I'm an outcast for once I got the "guilt programming" of not believing in the bible out of my head I've learned more true knowledge then I ever did following the bible. Now some people feel they NEED SOMETHING to worship which is their free will choice but I wonder if "Jesus" was put in there to put a face on "God".....We got a local car dealer who runs his commercials on the local T.V channels and the american flag is flowing in the back ground and he ends his commercials with " and God bless our troops" I just shake my head when he says that.............

[latshaw]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.

Yes sir! I know exactly what you mean! Thanks for this post Jagman. :wizard:

[truth4me]

The following bible verse from what is considered the Old Testament is telling the story of the creation of mankind . . . . .

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:26 New King James Version



My question from the very beginning of my bible study days, of which no supposedly learned minister or preacher could ever answer legitimately has been . . . just who was “God” talking to”?

Oh the Watchtower nailed that one down long ago... it's none other than Jesus, the Master Worker of Proverbs 8....

... but Jehovah was the Mastermind and drew up the blueprints....

Yes good lord I actually believed that up until my mid-forties..... :eek: Speaking of the Jehovah Witnesses my sister is one and I went to the kingdom hall with her for close to 3 years and almost got baptized but came to my senses and now she shuns me . What got me away from them was the remark "Jehovah isn't going to be a baby sitter" referring to whom gets "destroyed" at Armageddon.

[Prodigal Son]

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:



Ah yes, Yahweh the desert war god...

The Khazars have always been about war, and it seems they also invented capitalism....

This is one the most interesting reads you will ever find on wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

[Whippet]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.
I read in a Richard Dawkins book that individual amino acids will spontaneously form RNA strands if mixed together. That kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of the 747 analogy.

[Jules]

If you were considered God in your universe, what would you do? Would you be willing to take responsibility for it? Then if you were God in your universe, what would you do, create slavery, and groat about it? This is what humanity will find out soon... God is love, responsible leader, not slave-maker, that is where things should be. If the universe is in balance, doing what each element should do, that is God. That is truth and beauty.

[araucaria]

A more forceful exposition of this subject might be to say that Moses, the Old Testament, the New Testament, Fatima and Lourdes, and in many ways the Church itself were all debunked by Albino Luciani, who actually became pope for an understandably very short time (John Paul I, September 1978), and whose communist father once said, ‘Albino, you must promise me you will lead your life in imitation of Christ’.


He had a knack for explaining complex issues in a simple way. On one occasion, he took a microphone out of a cardinal's hand and gave it to a six-year-old boy as if to suggest what the child had to say was more important that what his prince of the Church had to say.
The boy asked, ‘What is the difference between the left and the right? Why are they always fighting with each other? Is it because one believes in God and the other doesn’t?
‘No’, the Pope answered, ‘They both believe in God. It is just that those on the right guide their lives by what someone is supposed to have said to someone else thousands of years ago.’
‘Oh’, said the boy. Puzzled by the Pope’s reply, he scratched his head. ‘Then what do those on the left use to guide their lives?’
‘This, their conscience,’ the Pope pointed to his temple.

Lucien Grégoire, Murder in the Vatican, AuthorHouse, 2010, p.148, 150

[blufire]

There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

Actually, about 15 years ago I started reading and studying what is know as The Holy Bible from a completely different frame of mind. If you take away all information and brainwashing of the various religious interpretations (which is very difficult) this compilation of ancient writings takes on a whole different meaning.

If you read it from a scientific point of view and logic so many things that once were conflicting and illogical fall neatly into place. Even the first 5 books that are know as the Books of Law written supposedly by Moses make more sense and logic when repopulating a planet from a near ELE.

An example . . . the story of Noah and the Flood. I could never wrap my mind around how ancient man could build a boat big enough to fit two of every kind (male and female) of animal and the planet and enough food for those animals and how 8 people could take care of all those animals for what would have been well over a year and probably much longer.

But if you use scientific logic and our current knowledge of technology it makes sense. I’ll just address the two of every kind of animal here. It would be perfectly simple and logical if DNA or genetic material was collected from every species of every animal and preserved. When the time is safe again that genetic material is used to ‘kick-start’ life on the planet again. Remember the massive seed-vault vault in Norway . . . . I have a sneaking suspicion that vault contains much more than “plant seed” . . . there’s a few other types of biological ‘seed’ I betcha’.

And oh by the way . . . . Moses was told by ‘god’ that the earth would never again by annihilated by flood . . .”he” said the next time it would be by Fire . . . can anyone say Solar Cycle 11 and Coronal Mass Ejection?

[Arrowwind]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.


I agree with that anology.
These things occur over ages longer than we can imagine
and we are the offspring of other intelligences
Now that we have determined
that all those references to a god in the bible
and other books are aliens
that have abused the human race
where does that leave us?

Is there no god at all?

I will continue to affirm that I am god in the making
and that the very stuff of my physical and spiritual existence is god
My divine right and destiny it to be a creator of worlds
3D existence is a training formate for my evolution.
I am multidimensional and must master dimensional realities
so that I can use those substances for creation
My genetics are ancient and have been in an evolutionaly process for eons.
The source of my genetics is largely irrelevant at this time so I dont worry about it
I will know what I need to know when my high self determines the necessity
I do not create false images and false gods to support the 'idea' of my very existence,
neither to condem myself or others, nor to judge to a firey eternal death of spirit,
designed to cripple and incompassitate others on their soul journey into failure, loss, repression
and even implosion of their very existence as taught in the old books.
I understand the cycle of incarnation and endeavor to continue to awaken memory
Both in myself and others not though dogma but through the very nature of my being,
I answer only to my own soul, who is in alignment with the greater soul of unified humanity
traveling on an evolutionary journey to manefest unlimited potential in creation.
the only purpose of god is creation
therefor since I am creation of god and am god
I am creating already
my mission it to take creation to the ultimate pinacle possible
within 3D expression and here on mother earth
That ultimate creation is an endless expression and manefestation of love
to all the natural children of mother earth.
as well as her adversaries
and in so doing I fear not death
for I know the fallacy of it.



Now let us get on with our homework.

[Arrowwind]

Now some people feel they NEED SOMETHING to worship which is their free will choice but I wonder if "Jesus" was put in there to put a face on "God"........

Christianity does not promote free will. There is no free will when religions promote
brainwashing techniques and force allegiance through fear and draw lines with condemantion. It is not through free will that people develop a NEED to worship. They seek worship out of fear instilled into them at a very young age and they continue with it becasue they are offered salvation and community and emotional support to live the lie, hence reducing their fear and again reinforcing the need to worship.
If you imposed such tactics on a child to teach them to believe that the planet was square would that be free will? Is it free will behind the teaching of children to murder their neighborsRhowanda? Fear can motivate people to do terrible things both great and small.

The same tactics/mindset that built the catholic church was the same mindset that put Gallileo into house arrest until his death
except in earlier days they would have assinated Gallileo for his brilliance.
and we must not forget the dirtier mind sets in the church that have promoted sexual abuse, rape and murder
that moved out of the catholic church into the other churches as well.

The movement of England from a state controlled by the Vatican to a state controlled by the crown was a blood bath
One was no better than the other, and neither taught through free will.

[humanalien]

There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

Actually, about 15 years ago I started reading and studying what is know as The Holy Bible from a completely different frame of mind. If you take away all information and brainwashing of the various religious interpretations (which is very difficult) this compilation of ancient writings takes on a whole different meaning.

If you read it from a scientific point of view and logic so many things that once were conflicting and illogical fall neatly into place. Even the first 5 books that are know as the Books of Law written supposedly by Moses make more sense and logic when repopulating a planet from a near ELE.

An example . . . the story of Noah and the Flood. I could never wrap my mind around how ancient man could build a boat big enough to fit two of every kind (male and female) of animal and the planet and enough food for those animals and how 8 people could take care of all those animals for what would have been well over a year and probably much longer.

But if you use scientific logic and our current knowledge of technology it makes sense. I’ll just address the two of every kind of animal here. It would be perfectly simple and logical if DNA or genetic material was collected from every species of every animal and preserved. When the time is safe again that genetic material is used to ‘kick-start’ life on the planet again. Remember the massive seed-vault vault in Norway . . . . I have a sneaking suspicion that vault contains much more than “plant seed” . . . there’s a few other types of biological ‘seed’ I betcha’.

And oh by the way . . . . Moses was told by ‘god’ that the earth would never again by annihilated by flood . . .”he” said the next time it would be by Fire . . . can anyone say Solar Cycle 11 and Coronal Mass Ejection?

To store dna, for over a year, wouldn't you
need some sort of refrigeration, to keep the
samples alive or in usable condition?

[humanalien]

A more forceful exposition of this subject might be to say that Moses, the Old Testament, the New Testament, Fatima and Lourdes, and in many ways the Church itself were all debunked by Albino Luciani, who actually became pope for an understandably very short time (John Paul I, September 1978), and whose communist father once said, ‘Albino, you must promise me you will lead your life in imitation of Christ’.


He had a knack for explaining complex issues in a simple way. On one occasion, he took a microphone out of a cardinal's hand and gave it to a six-year-old boy as if to suggest what the child had to say was more important that what his prince of the Church had to say.
The boy asked, ‘What is the difference between the left and the right? Why are they always fighting with each other? Is it because one believes in God and the other doesn’t?
‘No’, the Pope answered, ‘They both believe in God. It is just that those on the right guide their lives by what someone is supposed to have said to someone else thousands of years ago.’
‘Oh’, said the boy. Puzzled by the Pope’s reply, he scratched his head. ‘Then what do those on the left use to guide their lives?’
‘This, their conscience,’ the Pope pointed to his temple.

Lucien Grégoire, Murder in the Vatican, AuthorHouse, 2010, p.148, 150

I think the the history channel was just alking about Albino Luciani.
Supposedly, Albino discovered that the vatican had been lying about
all the ancient scriptures and that religion is more about serving man
than it is God. Something like that anyways.

He served as pope for about 33 days and was found dead in his bed chambers
by a personal servant. Everyone was sword to secrecy about albino, so the
story never made it out of the vatican. That is, until recently.

[blufire]

Obviously . . . my point is . . .

Noah’s (whoever this ancient person maybe) boat was not a wooden craft built using simple tools, it was most likely a spaceship or more sophisticated sea going vessel built specifically to withstand global flooding that he (Noah) was warned would happen.

And

The animals that were gathered were not actual physical living breathing creatures but genetic material gathered from cross sections of the biological animal kingdom and preserved to be used to repopulate the earth.

And

I’ll add this little thought . . . the Great Flood, which is recorded in many ancient secular and religious writings was the last near ELE (extinction level event) here on Earth which interestingly enough was sometime around 30 to 40 thousand years ago . . . . The Mayan long count calendar which coincides with the alignment with the ‘dark rift’ (center of the galaxy) cycles every 26,000 years . . . . guess what date that coincides with??







There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

Actually, about 15 years ago I started reading and studying what is know as The Holy Bible from a completely different frame of mind. If you take away all information and brainwashing of the various religious interpretations (which is very difficult) this compilation of ancient writings takes on a whole different meaning.

If you read it from a scientific point of view and logic so many things that once were conflicting and illogical fall neatly into place. Even the first 5 books that are know as the Books of Law written supposedly by Moses make more sense and logic when repopulating a planet from a near ELE.

An example . . . the story of Noah and the Flood. I could never wrap my mind around how ancient man could build a boat big enough to fit two of every kind (male and female) of animal and the planet and enough food for those animals and how 8 people could take care of all those animals for what would have been well over a year and probably much longer.

But if you use scientific logic and our current knowledge of technology it makes sense. I’ll just address the two of every kind of animal here. It would be perfectly simple and logical if DNA or genetic material was collected from every species of every animal and preserved. When the time is safe again that genetic material is used to ‘kick-start’ life on the planet again. Remember the massive seed-vault vault in Norway . . . . I have a sneaking suspicion that vault contains much more than “plant seed” . . . there’s a few other types of biological ‘seed’ I betcha’.

And oh by the way . . . . Moses was told by ‘god’ that the earth would never again by annihilated by flood . . .”he” said the next time it would be by Fire . . . can anyone say Solar Cycle 11 and Coronal Mass Ejection?

To store dna, for over a year, wouldn't you
need some sort of refrigeration, to keep the
samples alive or in usable condition?

[Chester]

Here at Avalon it's not so strange to look at the ancient texts, in their proper translation, and see that these alleged gods came from outer space, were giants, took our women, created a hybrid race, stole our gold, blew up the entire planet in a nuclear holocaust, and it took them 15,000 years to restore that technology, which is where we are now.

It is these same space aliens who have written the lies of history, hidden the truth, obfuscated and built stories and symbolism around what really happened, and continue to manipulate, lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, pillage, and slander us.

How anyone can still believe that this group of aliens is somehow the benevolent creator, a single god entity, is just not paying attention to the facts. Religion has been, and continues to this day, to be the single most reprehensible and deleterious pack of lies these evil thieves ever devised.

After 200,000 years of this crap, don't you think it is time to wake up and throw the banksters off this planet and send them back to where they came from?

A classic post, gripreaper - thank you

[Möbius]

Talk about synchronicity! I have just been reading Mauro Biglino's website whilst at the same time watching the fim The Wolfman with Benicio Del Torro on TV. Just after I read the section about Man being made in God's image being wrongly translated in the bible I looked up at the TV and the Priest in the film was reading out a serman from the bible and he read out the part of the bible about Man being made in God's image. That was very spooky!

[Carmody]

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:



Ah yes, Yahweh the desert war god...

The Khazars have always been about war, and it seems they also invented capitalism....

This is one the most interesting reads you will ever find on wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

Of course, the whole thing appeared out of nowhere... and does appear "reasonable."

We know next to nothing about the Khazars, so where does all that come from, the gentle 'factualization' that is so carefully woven into the entry? Hell, we can't even identify one of their symbols and, apparently.... nothing of their language remains. Thus, what the heck is all that stuff? Fluff?

That is probably the most contested area of Wikipedia, outside of Scientology and the like (regarding control of the text).

For example, attempting to make minor changes to the alchemical wiki entries, to add in modern finding and modern interpretations, will find an editor being banned and the text changed back (to make alchemists look like simpletons) in less than 24 hours.

A historian friend once shared with me his understanding of the 'hard data' list on what we know about the European 'dark ages.'

It fits on one A4 sheet of paper. Seriously. That's it.

The rest, is fluff and conjecture.

So, comparatively speaking, we know the same or probably less about the Khazars.

Then....where does the near 20 or so pages on that wiki entry....come from?

[Flash]

I think most are mixing Attila the Huns with the Khazars.lol. (they may be of a similar origin by the way, who knows). History has a way to get mixed up with legends and twisted around.

Just seeing how my own familiy history, from my childhood to my twenties, gets mix up, it doesn't show well for the history of the civilisations. (my mother has a way of not remembering at all, or remembering with events within a complete different context than mine, often juxtaposing me for my sister in her memory of the event).

Oh no, I am mixed up, I meant Ghengis Khan, the Khazar have to do with Ghensis. lol

Personnally, I will be simply happy with a straight, direct translation of the bible, if this is at all possible.

[ulli]

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:



Ah yes, Yahweh the desert war god...

The Khazars have always been about war, and it seems they also invented capitalism....

This is one the most interesting reads you will ever find on wiki....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

Of course, the whole thing appeared out of nowhere... and does appear "reasonable."

We know next to nothing about the Khazars, so where does all that come from, the gentle 'factualization' that is so carefully woven into the entry? Hell, we can't even identify one of their symbols and, apparently.... nothing of their language remains. Thus, what the heck is all that stuff? Fluff?

That is probably the most contested area of Wikipedia, outside of Scientology and the like (regarding control of the text).

For example, attempting to make minor changes to the alchemical wiki entries, to add in modern finding and modern interpretations, will find an editor being banned and the text changed back (to make alchemists look like simpletons) in less than 24 hours.

A historian friend once shared with me his understanding of the 'hard data' list on what we know about the European 'dark ages.'

It fits on one A4 sheet of paper. Seriously. That's it.

The rest, is fluff and conjecture.

So, comparatively speaking, we know the same or probably less about the Khazars.

Then....where does the near 20 or so pages on that wiki entry....come from?

I really don't remember all that much of the book now,
but when I read Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe many years ago it left quite a mark on my world view.
Especially the question of the "chosen people" ...who I think after 2000 years of forced and voluntary baptisms Abraham's blood might well be found in everybody's veins. With the exception of the descendants of Ukrainian Jews...
it fits my other world view that things are usually the opposite of what most people believe.
Anyhow, the Khazar question prompted me to look up Arthur Koestler on Wikipedia, since another book of his also ranks highly on my list of mind-blowing eye-openers...namely The Roots of Coincidence...just reading that book multiplied synchronicities in my life which led me finally to conclude that it ws my focussing on it that caused them to appear....
the rest is history....total transformation.
The self causes it's own reality, not Holy Scripture dogma.

[jagman]

I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.
I read in a Richard Dawkins book that individual amino acids will spontaneously form RNA strands if mixed together. That kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of the 747 analogy.

First of all Richard Dawkings is in my view a very poor scientist. I never cared
that Richard was a Darwinist.Richard was a very smug man. He thought he Knew it all and Guess What? He doesnt! Believe me I can poke holes in Darwinism all day long.But how about this instead. You can believe the way you want too. your
entitled to your opinion.

[araucaria]

Personnally, I will be simply happy with a straight, direct translation of the bible, if this is at all possible.

Afraid not. the Bible is not a straight, direct piece of writing. Take the first word, Berechit. It may mean 'in the beginning', but being written with the last three letter of te alphabet preceded by the first, it also signifies 'from B to Z'. In other words, the was no beginning :)

And there is no end, especially to mistranlations. The world is full of them. Ocassionally however, they sound about right, as when Clinton talked of some foreign country he 'loved'. In translation this came out as carnal desire, which I suppose was about right for old Bill :)

The only unambiguous translation of anything will be a wordless/worldless one - possibly worthless too in the Here&Now

[Observer1964]

I only watched the first 2 parts completely sofar, and I am not at all suprised by what he found, but i see it as another confirmation of the story as told by Sitchen about the sumerian tabletts about how aliens came to this planet for a mining operation and made us for the dirty work, etc..
I feel like we are starting to understand our true origin.



I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.

I saw a good video on that subject
Intelligent Design - Unlocking The Mysteries Of Life.
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I heard an analogy once that the chance of life springing up from a primordial soup would be like a Tornado hitting a junkyard and then assembling a 747 aircraft.
I read in a Richard Dawkins book that individual amino acids will spontaneously form RNA strands if mixed together. That kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of the 747 analogy.

To me it only shows how creation is intelligently organised to produce life (and awareness). As if the building blocks want (are designed) to join to create life.
(Like lego blocks are designed to be joined to create bigger toys)

[Observer1964]

Personnally, I will be simply happy with a straight, direct translation of the bible, if this is at all possible.

Afraid not. the Bible is not a straight, direct piece of writing. Take the first word, Berechit. It may mean 'in the beginning', but being written with the last three letter of te alphabet preceded by the first, it also signifies 'from B to Z'. In other words, the was no beginning :)

And there is no end, especially to mistranlations. The world is full of them. Ocassionally however, they sound about right, as when Clinton talked of some foreign country he 'loved'. In translation this came out as carnal desire, which I suppose was about right for old Bill :)

The only unambiguous translation of anything will be a wordless/worldless one - possibly worthless too in the Here&Now

As far as i understand it the Torah is organised like a fibonace cycle. The letters are not organised into words but organised in such a way that once u understand its way of coding u can restore it to the original by aplying this coding. Much like a hologram, thus very advanced.
A guy named Stan Tenen has dedicated most of his life to figure this all out. his website is http://meru.org/

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Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsE6A3uajXI&feature=relmfu

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbC5U7fOHMM&feature=relmfu

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67fx5LzMpoM&feature=relmfu

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrEghzyv1oQ&feature=relmfu

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwMA2ZHBms&feature=relmfu

Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3fA21gy8oE&feature=relmfu

Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQkIVYc1mPs&feature=relmfu

[araucaria]

Personnally, I will be simply happy with a straight, direct translation of the bible, if this is at all possible.

Afraid not. the Bible is not a straight, direct piece of writing. Take the first word, Berechit. It may mean 'in the beginning', but being written with the last three letter of te alphabet preceded by the first, it also signifies 'from B to Z'. In other words, the was no beginning :)

And there is no end, especially to mistranlations. The world is full of them. Ocassionally however, they sound about right, as when Clinton talked of some foreign country he 'loved'. In translation this came out as carnal desire, which I suppose was about right for old Bill :)

The only unambiguous translation of anything will be a wordless/worldless one - possibly worthless too in the Here&Now

As far as i understand it the Torah is organised like a fibonace cycle. The letters are not organised into words but organised in such a way that once u understand its way of coding u can restore it to the original by aplying this coding. Much like a hologram, thus very advanced.
A guy named Stan Tenen has dedicated most of his life to figure this all out. his website is http://meru.org/

ixgLq1Es0K0

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsE6A3uajXI&feature=relmfu

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbC5U7fOHMM&feature=relmfu

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67fx5LzMpoM&feature=relmfu

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrEghzyv1oQ&feature=relmfu

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwMA2ZHBms&feature=relmfu

Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3fA21gy8oE&feature=relmfu

Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQkIVYc1mPs&feature=relmfu

I don't know this guy, I do know Gregg Braden talks about this.

What he says may well be correct, but this would only be adding one more layer to the layers added by centuries of kabbalists (not to be confused with the cabal :).

To claim that there are no words in there would be to overstate one's case. There are words for a fundamentalist to misunderstand, but at other levels there is a great deal of wisdom too. Discerning new layers of complexity is not a contradiction, au contraire :)

[Kiforall]

For me, I'm not buying in to the poor me attitude of we were all put here as slaves.

That seems to be a precursor to the PTW manipulating the sheeple to support a fear based opinion of ET's
that may decide to visit.

Just because we have been used as slaves for aslong as we have been manipulated it doesn't conclude that was the original intention.

I believe we are at Nursery school, some are in infant school. But to believe we are going to graduate as Slaves is not something I have any intuitive spark for.

When I'm ready I'll graduate as a freeman, it's all about education, education from the heart.

Zoe x

[Observer1964]

For me, I'm not buying in to the poor me attitude of we were all put here as slaves.

That seems to be a precursor to the PTW manipulating the sheeple to support a fear based opinion of ET's
that may decide to visit.

Just because we have been used as slaves for aslong as we have been manipulated it doesn't conclude that was the original intention.

Well I dont experience it as poor me, I just try to make sense of all information i find and try to make some kind of conclusion out of all of it. And in that conclusion I see it more probable that if we are not naturally develloped trough some kind of evolution we were created artificially. And if we are made artifically then why are 10 out of 12 strands DNA switched off, and why do we only use about 10% of our brain's true capacity.
A logical answer seems to me that those who made us did not want us to use all that potential, as by natural evolution it should not exsist only things that add should remain according to darwin. So when old text say basicly the same thing I tend to believe that I am on the right track.


I believe we are at Nursery school, some are in infant school. But to believe we are going to graduate as Slaves is not something I have any intuitive spark for.

When I'm ready I'll graduate as a freeman, it's all about education, education from the heart.
Zoe x
Actually i dont see why this cant be both a school and a former mining operation. and in a way it even makes me proud to think that despite we were made as tools we managed to become more than just that.
Also i can Imagine that this could explain why some ppl have more psychic abillities, they have some of the DNA functions not switched off.
Also think how much we learn about living with limitations, when we get back to our natural soul state this must have been an great lesson.

(And in a way i feel that humankind is like a trap for the evil force, they wanted to use us as tools but the higher forces used us instead to defeat the evil force.)

[Whippet]

First of all Richard Dawkings is in my view a very poor scientist. I never cared that Richard was a Darwinist.Richard was a very smug man. He thought he Knew it all and Guess What? He doesnt! Believe me I can poke holes in Darwinism all day long.
You have attacked the man, but that's not very useful. What about attacking the science, where amino acids spontaneously form RNA? That's the meat of the matter.


But how about this instead. You can believe the way you want too. your entitled to your opinion.
No good. That won't get us any closer to the truth. What you describe is a belief system. That's not what I'm after.

[humanalien]

Mauro Biglino worked at the Vatican for 10 years, he was the translator of ancient Hebrew from the original Masoretic text of the Bible.

His research shows there was no mention of God in any of the ancient texts. The word God has been translated wrongly from the ancient Hebrew word Elohim, but Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

There's a lot of juicy goodies, completely blows the bible out of the water.( DNA etc. )

It seems to me that when the original breakoff from the good and pure entities occured that was when the PTW began to influence people for their own good.

Yahweh were given Israel as a poor land for them to live as they had chosen a different way.

They used their power to begin wars to obtain more land by grooming soldiers and armies. This was 3000 to 2500 BCE !!

Look what they are still behaving like.:confused:

Mauro Biglino's website.

http://www.maurobiglino.com/research.php

Literal Bible - Exposing the Holy Book

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Zoe x

I just noticed that this has been talked about before.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s&

[risveglio]

Now some people feel they NEED SOMETHING to worship which is their free will choice but I wonder if "Jesus" was put in there to put a face on "God"........

[COLOR=darkorchid]Christianity does not promote free will.

I think Christianity very much promotes free will. Now, good luck finding a Christian religion or even a Christian.