David Wilcock (again) - why I had issues with David

[Chester]

I have spent a good bit of time searching within myself as to why I found myself resentful regarding David Wilcock... a man I never actually met and yet a man that I believed I had come to know.

First - resentment... It is my understanding that a "held onto resentment" is negative for the one who resents and could negatively effect the target of the resentment.

Clearly it doesn't serve me nor David nor anyone who knows David or knows of David for me to hang onto some silly resentment.

I believe I have moved past this but I feel it is important that I post this mental exercise that allows me to exorcise the demon stuck within my emotional field.

If you have purchased David's four part video series which David charged $77 dollars for at the time I purchased this series, then you will certainly know about what I am about to share.

David begins the video series with a brief introduction and then quickly shifts his demeanor to the following... "A couple of minor points of business that I'd like to start with..." He then directs your attention to the artists behind the art work he reveals (incredible and beautiful I might add) but then moves you into a warning about "piracy" of the information... yes, information he "teaches" in the upcoming video series.

He calls it "privileged, protected content" and then he begins to educate you about video piracy. I wanted to post a print screen of his "warning" as it is displayed in words but I fear I may attract the attention of his "staff" who monitors such things... yes... my $77 helped pay staff (Wilcock "police") to "protect" his video from being shown without Divine Cosmos receiving financial remuneration for each and every showing at a rate of $77 per viewing (he states this is how they will base their damages calculation... each and every "illegal" viewing).

Now understand, this video series is about "accessing your higher self" and Wilcock is your "teacher" and the information taught is being "copyrighted."

Then he goes into a "confidentiality warning" - the copyright is of "David Wilcock, 2010."

"Any website, email, public address, MP3, video, etc. (yes... etc. thus wide open to every possible method of information transformation) using this content (yes, "content" - wide open... all the information he is sharing in this video series he is "locking down") will be considered a copyright violation."

"Please do not teach the material."

Yes, he actually says that. I swear to God he actually says that.

Now each of the four videos begin with this "warning."

I was blown away... here is a man who has aligned with the forces against "financial tyranny" and yet blasts you at the beginning of each of these 4 videos in this series called "Accessing Your Higher Self" essentially using laws made by the lovely PTBs to protect this information such that David Wilcock could benefit "financially" through the very system he attacks.

Besides the obvious, blatant hypocrisy David Wilcock projects by starting his "please do not dive in and start teaching this content as if it is yours to teach."

You have got to be kidding me.

So I looked in the mirror.

What do I feel is rightfully protectable that I might possess and that I might share with others regarding accessing my "higher self."

Isn't protecting and possessing "love" examples of my "lower self" and in fact perhaps my "lowest self" at its finest?

So this is why I threw my copy of The Source Field Investigations in the garbage though I regret now I didn't burn it as perhaps someone may have rummaged through the bin and gave the book a shot at resurrection.

Whew... that felt good to get out.

So, mirror, mirror on the wall... what is wrong with me? Could I be wee bit jealous this clown is able to financially benefit from his presentation of "realistically close to home truths?" Flit all over the world as some budding celebrity, stay in all sorts of nice hotels, probably gets plenty of attention from the opposite sex (or perhaps the same sex if that's his flavor... or perhaps even both - certainly anyone who knows me knows I take issue with none of what adults decide to do by agreement in this way).

I am jealous.

There's the lesson of David Wilcock for justthisonewriter.

And so, in recognizing the truth, appreciating the lesson and then turning my energies all around, I can now embrace the man.

Even knowing his book debut was #18 on the New York Times best seller list (from what I heard from David)... and isn't 18 = 6 + 6 + 6?

Ahhh and there's my best friend once again, "THE Ego... the "beast" though David (in my humble opinion) doesn't hold a candle to Aleister.

There... I was finally able to get it out.

I will add one more comment - David did not increase my level of respect for him when I learned of the way he treated Bill when Bill posted a comment on his Divine Cosmos website three or so months back. In fact, it was at that time I learned Wilcock (and staff) were actively censuring posts. Yes... actually censuring comments relative to his information and presentations.

What sort of tyranny would we call this, David?

Power corrupts I have been told... David should become King of the World and then we can settle all these matters once and for all.

Whew... it felt good to get this out.

Now take aim, Wilcock fans - I made my target wide and open!

Love to All and Have a Great Day -
Samuel Chester Hunter, San Jose, Costa Rica (hoping to save David's staff's time in case they might want to share their views with me).

Ohhh, I suggest a name change to "Locking Down Access to Your Higher Self"

[RMorgan]

Hey Chester,

The funny thing is, like Bill said once, David uses other people´s materials, including Project Camelot´s materials, without respecting their copyrights at all...

Anyway, I guess you all know what I think about him. I wont get into another discussion about Wilcock.

Cheers,

Raf.

[christian]

People are complex. Gotta take the good with the bad. He has a big ego and with that come many other traits. But I still think having come out the way he did was better than if he'd just kept his info private and led an anonymous life. A good portion of the info he puts out is really valuable, I find.

Much of the info in Source Field Investigations is really cutting edge in my opinion, or take the 43T lawsuit for instance. Now a year after he started talking about it even the mainstream media reported on it and it seems people got killed over that:
CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit (http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/)

Obviously this is murky, so just take everything with a grain of salt.

All I'm saying is, there are annoying characteristics to be found in everyone. So the challenge as a human collective is to somehow appreciate this fact and focus on continually developing constructively. Everybody can only lead by example and we cannot make others develop, but we can still love from the heart. Those who are the hardest to love need it most.

[Jean-Luc]

I was blown away... here is a man who has aligned with the forces against "financial tyranny" and yet blasts you at the beginning of each of these 4 videos in this series called "Accessing Your Higher Self" essentially using laws made by the lovely PTBs to protect this information such that David Wilcock could benefit "financially" through the very system he attacks.




http://youtu.be/pYM60YOczIU?t=7m15s

Excerpt from the great movie "La Belle Verte"

Check between 7:15 thru 7:48 this nice discussion between inhabitants of this small green planet (lost somewhere in the cosmos) discussing about money on planet Earth.

Basically the conversation goes:





-- And was really difficult over there ?

-- Oh yeah. The law of the strongest (...) They even still had the system based on money...


:)

[9eagle9]

I don’t think anyone likes to know how gullible they are. Nor be sucked in by someone who is more gullible than themselves. Or they funded the pocket of one gullible man who preys ONLY on those who are more gullible than themselves. Because that is only person he can prey on.

No one would like to feel that way, not anymore than they’d like to realize after the fact that they had been lining the wallet of a child molester so they could continue funding their molestation activities.

It is no accident that David's work is the work of others. He preys on the intellectual property of other authors, sources, and investigators.


In that respect David Wilcocks is a molester of sorts and that energy bothers a LOT of people. For good reason don’t you think? Taking advantage of the gullible is what is at the heart of molestation behaviors. It’s the same energy.

Because that is the only people he can prey on: the vulnerably gullible.

That would breed resentment, dontcha think? Only the gullible would condemn you for it and who cares what they think because they don’t know anything because ....they are gullible , they’ll believe anything.

That it’s ‘okay’ that David is gullible and likewise imposes his gullibility onto others breeds resentment. In this critical time in humanity when so many people are lost to themselves, for a person that has a modicum of care in regards to humanity ….to watch him throwing dirt on the graveyard of human spirit does sort yank some cranks. To watch him being excused for the same sort of activity the Powers That We Allow To Be, yanks cranks.

If it doesn’t we may take this as a clue to re-examine our priorities and moral standards.

People who have long studied solemn sacred occult sciences and watch a person like David Wilcocks prostitute them into Play Doh like concepts grow resentful because he’s destroying the means to wisdom wrought by experience (not videos).
By corrupting it into commercial modules so everyone gets to play witch, wizard and magi. If someone slashed the tires of my car preventing me from doing my work I would be most angry and its not because “i have issues”. It’s because someone is infringing on my rights to wholeness. This is the crack where universal laws take over man made laws.

I hate to admit that I do have some care for humanity when I’d rather rigidly stay in a place of “they get what they pay for and deserve what they asked for” . But I do. And I do still get angry when I see David Wilcocks the pimp prostituting otherwise decent humans that have done nothing truly in error but be gullible

I have moments of gullibility but I won’t have to pay for them the rest of my life (lives) the way that David’s unwitting street walkers will.

In this time shortly before just how divided in our timelines we are, is about to manifest, gullibility in general is very annoying because there’s no good reason for it save for the infectious vectors that parasites like DW spreads.

Like the intellectual property he thieves from, Historical Figures don’t even have the right to their own identity without David inserting himself in there and assuming their identities. That is parasitical in nature. Identity theft. That is what the PTB did to us and he emulates them. And there are a lot of people who are annoyed that he , like the ptb, is not called out on the carpet for their actions but venerated for them.

You are now very acutely aware that he operates by the same standards as those he pretends are his oppressors instead of his handlers.

And you are most uncomfortable that you ‘nearly went there’.

I would be too.

The looking glass thereom (if what you see annoys you its your ****) is not always applicable. That is only a meter to determine , a time to pause to decide…is this my problem or am I correct that I am observing truthfully instead of through my own filters?

Its not a hard fast rule, it’s a guide, a question to ask yourself if one is being UNREASONABLY fired up about another person. Fired up without REASON .

Now you have experience of being taken in, a reason, don’t try to rationalize it, it just confuses what you now KNOW by experience. It’s a solid fact, when you are molested you are resentful. Most people who have not been gullibley taken into by the notion of how one should just be walked all over without protest, understand this.

Sometimes people get angry at child molestors without even being one themselves.

Right?

If they are people who have some sort of working moral compass.

Since you woke up though spare your dime and have some coffee.

Any respect that you feel obligated to give to DW aka Ra, aka Edgar Cayce, aka Pythogoreas, aka the shining light of the new world and the new messiah aka bawl in public for attention, aka identity thief is better reserved for reclaiming for yourself.

People in the metaphysical world do not earn respect by preying on the gullible, that is as you have stated what the powers that be do.

And if any of DW’s henchmen (curls in a fetal position and gasps at the notion) attempts to invoke repercussions upon your body, pull their skirts over their heads and push them into a puddle. Yes David has a legion of volunteer henchmen, but pretty much they are defendants of a molestor. What exactly are they going to do to you?

All you need to do is fabricate some fantastic story and wing it off like a frisbie and they'll chase it.

[BrianEn]

I'd have issues with being bombarded with threats of being sued while searching for my higherself which I wouldn't be able to share with anyone unless they sent 77 dollars.

[SilentFeathers]

I'm looking forward to reading his first blog that he writes AFTER 12-21-2012.......that is, if he isn't raptured and ascended up :)

I'm sure he'll have another fine web to weave to keep people "trapped".....or stuck.

PS: I find DW, well, entertaining....better than most TV shows!

[Mutchie]

people are complex. Gotta take the good with the bad. He has a big ego and with that come many other traits. But i still think having come out the way he did was better than if he'd just kept his info private and led an anonymous life. A good portion of the info he puts out is really valuable, i find.

Much of the info in source field investigations is really cutting edge in my opinion, or take the 43t lawsuit for instance. Now a year after he started talking about it even the mainstream media reported on it and it seems people got killed over that:
cnbc exec’s children murdered, 1 day after cnbc reports $43 trillion bankster lawsuit (http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/)

obviously this is murky, so just take everything with a grain of salt.

All i'm saying is, there are annoying characteristics to be found in everyone. So the challenge as a human collective is to somehow appreciate this fact and focus on continually developing constructively. Everybody can only lead by example and we cannot make others develop, but we can still love from the heart. Those who are the hardest to love need it most.

spot on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chester]

And I do still get angry when I see David Wilcocks the pimp prostituting otherwise decent humans that have done nothing truly in error but be gullible

I have moments of gullibility but I won’t have to pay for them the rest of my life (lives) the way that David’s unwitting street walkers will.

In this time shortly before just how divided in our timelines we are, is about to manifest, gullibility in general is very annoying because there’s no good reason for it save for the infectious vectors that parasites like DW spreads.

Like the intellectual property he thieves from, Historical Figures don’t even have the right to their own identity without David inserting himself in there and assuming their identities. That is parasitical in nature. Identity theft. That is what the PTB did to us and he emulates them. And there are a lot of people who are annoyed that he , like the ptb, is not called out on the carpet for their actions but venerated for them.

You are now very acutely aware that he operates by the same standards as those he pretends are his oppressors instead of his handlers.

And you are most uncomfortable that you ‘nearly went there’.

I would be too.

... and ...

People in the metaphysical world do not earn respect by preying on the gullible, that is as you have stated what the powers that be do.

And if any of DW’s henchmen (curls in a fetal position and gasps at the notion) attempts to invoke repercussions upon your body, pull their skirts over their heads and push them into a puddle. Yes David has a legion of volunteer henchmen, but pretty much they are defendants of a molestor. What exactly are they going to do to you?

All you need to do is fabricate some fantastic story and wing it off like a frisbie and they'll chase it.

WoW! I swear... tears... no words when I saw "THE 9eagle9" has returned.

Happy Day!!! Love to You, Chester

[Alan]

justoneman, DW is asking to be paid for his work, and you find that unreasonable.

I reckon it's safe to assume that you work for free. Please share with us this charitable work that you do, and explain how you get food and housing with no money.

[Chester]

People are complex. Gotta take the good with the bad. He has a big ego and with that come many other traits. But I still think having come out the way he did was better than if he'd just kept his info private and led an anonymous life. A good portion of the info he puts out is really valuable, I find.

Much of the info in Source Field Investigations is really cutting edge in my opinion, or take the 43T lawsuit for instance. Now a year after he started talking about it even the mainstream media reported on it and it seems people got killed over that:
CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit (http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/)

Obviously this is murky, so just take everything with a grain of salt.

All I'm saying is, there are annoying characteristics to be found in everyone. So the challenge as a human collective is to somehow appreciate this fact and focus on continually developing constructively. Everybody can only lead by example and we cannot make others develop, but we can still love from the heart. Those who are the hardest to love need it most.

Of all the posters I feel I have met through this forum, you, christian, have appeared to be one of the most balanced. You always seem to take the high road (in fact, I will throw out the word "seem"). You are an example for me and someone I sometimes wish I could evolve into.

But I am not there yet. I may never get there. I cannot stand the hypocrisy. 9eagle9 nailed it - pointing the finger at the very thing he has become. Yes, I could overlook just about all of it. Yes, I have been far worse in my past. But today, I don't lie to myself. Today I take responsibility for my expression and though I care what others think of me, I would rather be a pure jerk than a hypocrit.

And with the level of exposure this guy has engineered (or perhaps "his handlers" as 9 so correctly nailed) you would think it would matter to him what his example teaches which is far louder than all the words nor the "reporting" he supposedly does (as if the information is not meant to get out there... give me a break).

Anyways, I wish I had the heartlessness to sell my own process of awakening which perhaps is unique enough to copyright... in fact, maybe I should attempt to patent it, bottle it nicely and sell it to potential followers. I am certain I could knock down more $$ a month than I do now, but alas I would have to break every mirror in my house just to be able to live with myself.

[Amysenthia]

justoneman,

I give you credit for owning your negative feelings toward someone and realizing it is not living a "higher truth" to have them, although you have valid reasons. I am always surprised by people that claim to teach something that they themselves do not possess. How can David be so "ascended" when so much of what he lives by is still so rooted in fear and materialism.

The first time I realized that he was not all that he claims to be was when he cried like a baby during the interview with Kerry when he was supposedly having his life threatened. Why would someone so advanced be so afraid of death. He just projected so much fear, fear, fear during that interview that I knew then that he was a fraud.

[Flash]

I don’t think anyone likes to know how gullible they are. Nor be sucked in by someone who is more gullible than themselves. Or they funded the pocket of one gullible man who preys ONLY on those who are more gullible than themselves. Because that is only person he can prey on.

No one would like to feel that way, not anymore than they’d like to realize after the fact that they had been lining the wallet of a child molester so they could continue funding their molestation activities.

It is no accident that David's work is the work of others. He preys on the intellectual property of other authors, sources, and investigators.


In that respect David Wilcocks is a molester of sorts and that energy bothers a LOT of people. For good reason don’t you think? Taking advantage of the gullible is what is at the heart of molestation behaviors. It’s the same energy.

Because that is the only people he can prey on: the vulnerably gullible.

That would breed resentment, dontcha think? Only the gullible would condemn you for it and who cares what they think because they don’t know anything because ....they are gullible , they’ll believe anything.

That it’s ‘okay’ that David is gullible and likewise imposes his gullibility onto others breeds resentment. In this critical time in humanity when so many people are lost to themselves, for a person that has a modicum of care in regards to humanity ….to watch him throwing dirt on the graveyard of human spirit does sort yank some cranks. To watch him being excused for the same sort of activity the Powers That We Allow To Be, yanks cranks.

If it doesn’t we may take this as a clue to re-examine our priorities and moral standards.

People who have long studied solemn sacred occult sciences and watch a person like David Wilcocks prostitute them into Play Doh like concepts grow resentful because he’s destroying the means to wisdom wrought by experience (not videos).
By corrupting it into commercial modules so everyone gets to play witch, wizard and magi. If someone slashed the tires of my car preventing me from doing my work I would be most angry and its not because “i have issues”. It’s because someone is infringing on my rights to wholeness. This is the crack where universal laws take over man made laws.

I hate to admit that I do have some care for humanity when I’d rather rigidly stay in a place of “they get what they pay for and deserve what they asked for” . But I do. And I do still get angry when I see David Wilcocks the pimp prostituting otherwise decent humans that have done nothing truly in error but be gullible

I have moments of gullibility but I won’t have to pay for them the rest of my life (lives) the way that David’s unwitting street walkers will.

In this time shortly before just how divided in our timelines we are, is about to manifest, gullibility in general is very annoying because there’s no good reason for it save for the infectious vectors that parasites like DW spreads.

Like the intellectual property he thieves from, Historical Figures don’t even have the right to their own identity without David inserting himself in there and assuming their identities. That is parasitical in nature. Identity theft. That is what the PTB did to us and he emulates them. And there are a lot of people who are annoyed that he , like the ptb, is not called out on the carpet for their actions but venerated for them.

You are now very acutely aware that he operates by the same standards as those he pretends are his oppressors instead of his handlers.

And you are most uncomfortable that you ‘nearly went there’.

I would be too.

The looking glass thereom (if what you see annoys you its your ****) is not always applicable. That is only a meter to determine , a time to pause to decide…is this my problem or am I correct that I am observing truthfully instead of through my own filters?

Its not a hard fast rule, it’s a guide, a question to ask yourself if one is being UNREASONABLY fired up about another person. Fired up without REASON .

Now you have experience of being taken in, a reason, don’t try to rationalize it, it just confuses what you now KNOW by experience. It’s a solid fact, when you are molested you are resentful. Most people who have not been gullibley taken into by the notion of how one should just be walked all over without protest, understand this.

Sometimes people get angry at child molestors without even being one themselves.

Right?

If they are people who have some sort of working moral compass.

Since you woke up though spare your dime and have some coffee.

Any respect that you feel obligated to give to DW aka Ra, aka Edgar Cayce, aka Pythogoreas, aka the shining light of the new world and the new messiah aka bawl in public for attention, aka identity thief is better reserved for reclaiming for yourself.

People in the metaphysical world do not earn respect by preying on the gullible, that is as you have stated what the powers that be do.

And if any of DW’s henchmen (curls in a fetal position and gasps at the notion) attempts to invoke repercussions upon your body, pull their skirts over their heads and push them into a puddle. Yes David has a legion of volunteer henchmen, but pretty much they are defendants of a molestor. What exactly are they going to do to you?

All you need to do is fabricate some fantastic story and wing it off like a frisbie and they'll chase it.

Truly happy to see you back

but i fully disagree with your post

[ulli]

Everyone who is complex has to try to integrate their complexities
before presenting them to the public, or else there will be repercussions.

In this world anything to do with 'absolute' oneness is doomed to fragment
into little pieces of irreconcilable differences.
In a 3D environment oneness and spirituality must remain a mental exercise....
to be performed by each one as they are able to, with no strings attached...
...Be unrestrained as the wind, while carrying the Message of Him Who hath caused the Dawn of Divine Guidance to break. Consider, how the wind, faithful to that which God hath ordained, bloweth upon all the regions of the earth, be they inhabited or desolate. Neither the sight of desolation, nor the evidences of prosperity, can either pain or please it. It bloweth in every direction, as bidden by its Creator said Baha'u'llah in the 19th century. This kind of teaching cannot be copyrighted.

Nor can this talk be walked as an organized entity, no matter how evolved the individuals who run it.
Hundreds of cults have run aground over the last hundred years.... historical evidence is everywhere....

David Wilcock's problem to me seems one of an organization growing too fast, and in the process losing the very spirit that animated him in the first place. He may not even be aware of what his staff are doing...or maybe his right brain is not aware of what his left brain is doing.

[ulli]

justoneman, DW is asking to be paid for his work, and you find that unreasonable.

I reckon it's safe to assume that you work for free. Please share with us this charitable work that you do, and explain how you get food and housing with no money.

I believe you missed the point of justoneman's post.
He is not resentful of paying...
he actually forked out $77, remember?
It is about the conditions made by David's camp about having exclusive rights to this teaching.

[Fred Steeves]

A lot of us are seeing through many of those that we used to look up to, and certainly not for reasons of money. Thing is, for me anyway, what's important now is to put our individual energies towards evolving/remembering to our utmost potential, not tearing others down. Tearing down (aka divide and conquer) is TPTB realm, whether intended or not, and it's one of the primary reasons we continue to be easy pickens.

Cheers,
Fred

[Chester]

justoneman, DW is asking to be paid for his work, and you find that unreasonable.

I reckon it's safe to assume that you work for free. Please share with us this charitable work that you do, and explain how you get food and housing with no money.

You miss the point entirely. I don't have a problem with him getting paid for his expression of how he sees "connection with one's higher self" at all whatsoever. That is done by all sorts of artists all over the planet. In fact, I have never stolen anyone's art, music nor other forms of expression of that nature.

If you have not made the purchase I made and then watched the 4 videos in this series then you probably cannot understand my point.

David used a very, very heavy approach to his request folks respect the work he has created (a fine work at that) and did so with such fervor that it destroyed whatever good he was trying to convey - that was my experience... perhaps others did not have this same experience.

Would you like me to go back and write word for word his several minute "warning?"

Now also this - he charges for his "art." No problem, I would too if I could make a living from doing art.

Yet he then uses draconian psychological techniques to petrify the vulnerable viewer into such a fear zone - unlike most other "protectors" of their "intellectual property" - property?? - information that supposedly comes from The One (according to the Law of One, haha) and you don't see the hypocrisy? Use the power of the FBI to enforce copyright law yet at the same time profit from finger pointing at the same PTBs behind such organizations?

Am I really having to spell this out at this level?

[gripreaper]

Let's step back from the canvas a few steps and look at the contextual implications of the elements which are being discussed. David, economics and value, assets, and the distribution of the medium of exchange.

I'm going to site personal experience as my basis for this discussion. Slogging about on a daily basis, to gather Federal Reserve Notes, so that I can turn around and give these FRN's back to the banksters at the end of the day, for basic survival, has been a tough one for me, since I now understand the system we are all subjected to and how it works.

I find I have one foot in the system and one foot out. I would love to be able to declare my sovereignty, walk away from the system, and live a life of freedom, liberty, awareness, passion, excitement, fulfillment and joy all the time, but I digress. It's almost impossible to fully extricate from the system and still function.

A Keynesian debt based fiat system forces us to compete for scarce dollars, which are being inflated, diluted, and grabbed at each movement by unscrupulous taxing agencies. It is the amount of debt based promissory notes, as well as the velocity of the movement of these notes, which determines our ability to survive and function.

Well, I got news for those who have not been paying attention: There are NOT enough of these debt based notes in circulation, and those that are, the velocity has slowed way down, and the "clip" (surcharge and taxes) on each of the transactions has skyrocketed. So, what does this cause? It causes people to struggle more to get a piece of the shrinking pie, while we are taught that capitalism and competition are good for the market. There is no market.

So we are seeing more and more aberrations in the way people do business and handle exchange with each other. In a dying system which is about to fail, this is what one would expect to see. On the other hand I would like to see more people pointing the finger at the banksters, and really getting down to the root of scarcity vs. abundance, and how to move away from the elite slave system and more towards a system of abundance.

Free energy is the catalyst which will usher in this new age and make most of the other issues based around debt, scarcity, and slavery obsolete. So, while the existing paradigm is in the death throws of collapse, David exemplifies how the aberrations of such a system are being exposed. David is one example of how oil and water don't mix.

So, trying to apply the old parameters of the exchange system of fiat debt, to awakening and ascension and accessing your higher self, was a real red flag for me. Suffice it to say, I have never sent David a single dime and do not ever intend to. What he regurgitates in his teachings can be found elsewhere. He does a great job of collating the information and repackaging it, and it may be beneficial for some neophyte to pay for David to so this, but not me.

Suffice it to say, I have purchased things in the past and realized after the fact that I got duped. The bottom line is, I chose to purchase the item and sent the money in. I just take my loss and then let it go, which I suppose is what justoneman is trying to do.

We live and learn.

[Chester]

justoneman,

I give you credit for owning your negative feelings toward someone and realizing it is not living a "higher truth" to have them, although you have valid reasons. I am always surprised by people that claim to teach something that they themselves do not possess. How can David be so "ascended" when so much of what he lives by is still so rooted in fear and materialism.

The first time I realized that he was not all that he claims to be was when he cried like a baby during the interview with Kerry when he was supposedly having his life threatened. Why would someone so advanced be so afraid of death. He just projected so much fear, fear, fear during that interview that I knew then that he was a fraud.

And you wanna know the real reasons I created this thread? Because I care about David Wilcock and because I believe he can do better... far better. Also, I did not like the way he treated Bill 3 or so months back when Bill posted a comment in the comment section of David's blog. Bill deserves better and that really pissed me off. And finally, when I hear what RMorgan mentioned, if true, really puts the icing on the cake for me.

Anyways - the funny thing is that my rants here (yes, they definitely are rants) are not the example of a person I wish to be. But that wisher is my ego. At the same time, so is this ranter. I feel like that cab driver I saw a video of the other day... I just had to get it out.

I might add that that video series - Access Your Higher Self was worth the 77 bucks though I wish he made a brief statement asking people to respect his work and that he earns a living from providing us this information and has to pay for his staff and web site and stuff and this is how he does it - I just wrote all he needed to say in about 35 words or so. Perhaps if he would take that type of approach, he actually gets donations from guys like me.

Ohhh and one more take on David's crying like a baby event - I actually had a different read on that. I thought I saw a man who wasn't solely fearful of his death - I read that he was saddened that he might miss out on being a physically alive human being during this upcoming rapid transformational stage mankind may be on the brink of experiencing. A man who was attached to this possible soon to be collectively experienced leap in consciousness. How's that for giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps (like us all) his reaction was from many reasons but I did not hold that against him or judge him negatively for that reaction. I heard Duncan didn't take to his reaction but Duncan is far more advanced (in this lifetime at least) in understanding what we should or should not be afraid of. I feel Duncan may not be the "median" to judge from in this regard. I recall when I was younger I probably would have reacted the same... anyways - I obviously have gotten emotionally attached here and well, I am doing some serious looking in my own mirror - remember... pointing a finger at anyone always ensures 3 fingers are pointing back at yourself.

[truth4me]

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YOU decide......

[Chester]

A lot of us are seeing through many of those that we used to look up to, and certainly not for reasons of money. Thing is, for me anyway, what's important now is to put our individual energies towards evolving/remembering to our utmost potential, not tearing others down. Tearing down (aka divide and conquer) is TPTB realm, whether intended or not, and it's one of the primary reasons we continue to be easy pickens.

Cheers,
Fred

People who put themselves into the public eye better be ready to face the public's reaction. That's the way it goes. You put yourself out there and charge for what you put out there... you better be damn near bullet proof.

I know enough about enlightenment, transformation, gnosis, etc, etc that I could sell my own message but why wouldn't I? Because I cannot walk the walk 24/7. So I don't. The only way I could ever cross that line to sell this sort of stuff is if I was able to reach a consistency in my being that fully emulated what I spoke about.

I don't tear you down, Fred, and why? Because you aren't out there trying to sell your version of you, the enlightened one.

If you did and you lived anti-message, me and/or others of my same ilk may just point it out.

[Jean-Luc]

Free energy is the catalyst which will usher in this new age and make most of the other issues based around debt, scarcity, and slavery obsolete. So, while the existing paradigm is in the death throws of collapse, David exemplifies how the aberrations of such a system will be exposed. David is one example of how oil and water don't mix.



...or "freedom energy" as physicist Steven Jones likes to call it
http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischmann_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/

[Ultima Thule]

Thanks Justoneman for your rant! I actually just realized that I have always until this far misread your tag as just stone man... sorry... Illiteracy is a gift when used properly :P

Anyway, a good thing that you ranted about David, it´s reasonable to vent and push some buttons and be "button-pushed", although I have no idea why David of all the possible persons seems to be the Chosen button pusher for the alternative community? There are after all many people that utter complete nonsense, which you really can´t blame David of doing in Source field investigations. 9eagle9 blames him for connecting the dots, piggybacking on other peoples work, which in my opinion could instead be considered a valuable job - the modern scientific world is in many ways lame just because very few are doing this cross-scientific connect-the-dots and remarkable scientific realizations are being kept inside just one branch of science, without being made a portion of the big picture.


UT

[noxon medem]

..
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David Willcock is an OK man , amongst ok men ...


Most of the grievances you have
- is with yourself .

( goes to all of the Davids out there ..).
- Also Larry :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co_BhTxgWys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co_BhTxgWys
Curb Your Enthusiasm - Palestinian Chicken Place - Season 8 Ep. 3

..
-

PS.
May be you are (You are) the Source
BS.

[Chester]

hahaha interesting Freudian read... could have (and used to be) justonestonedman - just one stoned man.

anyways, all I am saying is I could "hear the guy" more if he didn't start his video out sounding just like all those pharmaceutical ads you here on US TV now - with there 15 seconds of commercial and there 45 seconds of disclaimers/warnings, etc.

My Mom is an artist, my wife is an artist, my only full sibling is a craftswoman... I have produced creative works as well - Where is the line drawn in "supporting" yourself realistically from these productions and then demanding protection for potential income from these productions when what you are making money off of is pointing the finger at the very system you use as your protector with the same energy you find in these parts of the world?

grip said it well... I suddenly feel a headache coming on and I never get headaches...

anyways, I need to take my own advice and detach from this. If I didn't like David Wilcock, even feel love for him like I do... because you can't watch as much video where he is present or the focus, read so much of his blogs, read his Book (tSFI) and not find yourself caring about the man... ooops, I should have said "me" not you, but that's the way I feel - then I wouldn't have felt preoccupied to write this OP.

[Camilo]

There seems to be an obsession with trashing David Wilcock in Avalon. You guys should set up a blog where you can trash anybody you hate and leave Avalon for constructive things if you have any.

Earlier this week, Paul closed a similar thread that was started with the only purpose of trashing DW. Perhaps he hasn't had a chance to catch this one yet.

[Flash]

A lot of us are seeing through many of those that we used to look up to, and certainly not for reasons of money. Thing is, for me anyway, what's important now is to put our individual energies towards evolving/remembering to our utmost potential, not tearing others down. Tearing down (aka divide and conquer) is TPTB realm, whether intended or not, and it's one of the primary reasons we continue to be easy pickens.

Cheers,
Fred

People who put themselves into the public eye better be ready to face the public's reaction. That's the way it goes. You put yourself out there and charge for what you put out there... you better be damn near bullet proof.

I know enough about enlightenment, transformation, gnosis, etc, etc that I could sell my own message but why wouldn't I? Because I cannot walk the walk 24/7. So I don't. The only way I could ever cross that line to sell this sort of stuff is if I was able to reach a consistency in my being that fully emulated what I spoke about.

I don't tear you down, Fred, and why? Because you aren't out there trying to sell your version of you, the enlightened one.

If you did and you lived anti-message, me and/or others of my same ilk may just point it out.

i am truly wondering why you started this tread. To be spitful towards those who try to walk the talk 24/7? Since when is absolute perfection and absolute consistency required before one tries to do something? Nobody, not even the great ones are 100% consistent.

There is a wide difference between selling one as being THE truth, and only talking, writing and diffusing something that may be helpful to others. This is part of teaching in all its aspects, from the school teacher to the preacher to the scientist sharing his knowledge.

And it has always been the way I took David's message: sharing what ones has learned, knows, with sincerity. And explaining when one has been misled and realise it, without too much of an ego thrip. As he does it full time, like a school teacher does, why wouldn't he make enough money to survive on it?

I have seen others, that are much more ego prone than Wilcock but they do it in a subtler manner and people bow constantly to them. Most gurus on the market are much worst, wiht much more approaches leading people astray, including Deepak Chopra (who's most writing are written by others, yet nobody knows) in my idea.

The real ones, following your drift, should be poor beggars on the corner of the street and yet have access to time, books, tools, to be free speakers giving themselves for free.

Don't you think this is irrealistic? To me, this is exactly how you lose yourself when trying to do your best, by listening to spitful comments. And believe me, I do not know many people who wake up in the morning saying "today I will be my worst and will do the worst i am able of".

Intents are forgotten here.

Something is not right with this thread Chester. What are the real intent behind it????

[SilentFeathers]

As we near the "12-21-2012" deadline, it makes sense to me that Wilcock's name is coming up more often....he may get more critisism after the deadline date next month when nothing happens IMO, which that would make sense to me also.....walking the talk means diddly squat when it amounts to nothing more than diddly squat....

[Flash]

Thanks Justoneman for your rant! I actually just realized that I have always until this far misread your tag as just stone man... sorry... Illiteracy is a gift when used properly :P

Anyway, a good thing that you ranted about David, it´s reasonable to vent and push some buttons and be "button-pushed", although I have no idea why David of all the possible persons seems to be the Chosen button pusher for the alternative community? There are after all many people that utter complete nonsense, which you really can´t blame David of doing in Source field investigations. 9eagle9 blames him for connecting the dots, piggybacking on other peoples work, which in my opinion could instead be considered a valuable job - the modern scientific world is in many ways lame just because very few are doing this cross-scientific connect-the-dots and remarkable scientific realizations are being kept inside just one branch of science, without being made a portion of the big picture.


UT

Thanks, you express precisely what I think, in a much better way I would have been able of.

Edit:


Posted by gripreaper (here)
Free energy is the catalyst which will usher in this new age and make most of the other issues based around debt, scarcity, and slavery obsolete. So, while the existing paradigm is in the death throws of collapse, David exemplifies how the aberrations of such a system will be exposed. David is one example of how oil and water don't mix.

Well we are still caught in a system where water tries not to be spoiled with very controlled oil, without success.

This is why there is threads like this one right now. It is part of the oil taking over once again imho.

[Twinsel]

David did not increase my level of respect for him when I learned of the way he treated Bill when Bill posted a comment on his Divine Cosmos website three or so months back. In fact, it was at that time I learned Wilcock (and staff) were actively censuring posts. Yes... actually censuring comments relative to his information and presentations.

Do you have a link for me to it? I like to read it and feel the energy what comes with it.
Seems in the last year, alot of "heroes" are reduced to "just human behaviour people" for me. What a learning curve for me.

Thank for your honesty justoneman.

Note to myself: gonna count how many owl avatars are being used on Avalon.

[Chester]

There seems to be an obsession with trashing David Wilcock in Avalon. You guys should set up a blog where you can trash anybody you hate and leave Avalon for constructive things if you have any.

David Wilcock has a big presence in the alternative media community. He impacts lots of people's lives. I see all of us as Spirit beings capable of all sorts of things. I see no one as pure evil nor do I see any pure angels. I have stated a great deal of positives about David Wilcock in this thread. I may be the only one who interpreted his cry baby moment as I did.

Despite all that this morning I happened to have recalled Wilcock in his video - Accessing Your Higher Self - discussing dietary recommendations. About 3 weeks ago I began my own diet of raw fruits and vegetables and most of that in the form of juices. So this morning I suddenly got the idea to listen once again to that portion of his video presentation.

I opened up the first video and the player started playing automatically - while I happened to have walked into my kitchen a few feet away to get some juice. It was then he began his "lengthy statement" about copyright, etc. I had heard it before and "forgave him" (thus had to have judged him) for his expression. But this time it set me off.

I believe I unloaded all sorts of resentments by creating this thread. The resentment over the Drake thing, my anger at how he treated Bill.

So there's the truth. I am not selling any enlightenment, I am just expressing the truth. Who is the one hurt by all this? Me and well, I guess all of you who read any of my venting.

So for that, I am sorry... but having said that, I do not regret the thread.

Make sure you know I have been helped by David Wilcock, I haven't forgotten all the good he has done for me.

[Chester]

David did not increase my level of respect for him when I learned of the way he treated Bill when Bill posted a comment on his Divine Cosmos website three or so months back. In fact, it was at that time I learned Wilcock (and staff) were actively censuring posts. Yes... actually censuring comments relative to his information and presentations.

Do you have a link for me to it? I like to read it and feel the energy what comes with it.
Seems in the last year, alot of "heroes" are reduced to "just human behaviour people" for me. What a learning curve for me.

Thank for your honesty justoneman.

Note to myself: gonna count how many owl avatars are being used on Avalon.

Hi, I also received a PM about this - I guess I need to dig it up since I opened the can of worms. This has probably been a mistake.

[Chester]

i am truly wondering why you started this tread. To be spitful towards those who try to walk the talk 24/7? Since when is absolute perfection and absolute consistency required before one tries to do something? Nobody, not even the great ones are 100% consistent.

There is a wide difference between selling one as being THE truth, and only talking, writing and diffusing something that may be helpful to others. This is part of teaching in all its aspects, from the school teacher to the preacher to the scientist sharing his knowledge.

And it has always been the way I took David's message: sharing what ones has learned, knows, with sincerity. And explaining when one has been misled and realise it, without too much of an ego thrip. As he does it full time, like a school teacher does, why wouldn't he make enough money to survive on it?

I have seen others, that are much more ego prone than Wilcock but they do it in a subtler manner and people bow constantly to them. Most gurus on the market are much worst, wiht much more approaches leading people astray, including Deepak Chopra (who's most writing are written by others, yet nobody knows) in my idea.

The real ones, following your drift, should be poor beggars on the corner of the street and yet have access to time, books, tools, to be free speakers giving themselves for free.

Don't you think this is irrealistic? To me, this is exactly how you lose yourself when trying to do your best, by listening to spitful comments. And believe me, I do not know many people who wake up in the morning saying "today I will be my worst and will do the worst i am able of".

Intents are forgotten here.

Something is not right with this thread Chester. What are the real intent behind it????

Hi Flash, you are misinterpreting my point. When someone is selling enlightenment and at the same time saving the world from evil, tyranical PTBs, and they go to the extreme that David did in each of the beginnings of these 4 videos... - please, not - I am emphasizing the extreme, then they better be prepared to be slammed by clowns like me.

christian pointed out that perhaps I should take more the high road. I used a similar level of extreme to point out David was using the lowest road - I may be wrong to do so, but I simply could not help myself.

Kerry, for example, is barely making it over at Camelot. The material, information, guests she interviews, etc. - all this that she brings to light is far more valuable than what Wilcock comes across (and sells back to the rest of us). Kerry is an intelligent person and is fully capable of spending her brain time "marketing" her site and "marketing" her product and "protecting it" and she asks for help - very reasonable. But she doesn't pound you with the hammer of the law and that unspoken warning "we will come after you" that Wilcock does and does at great length in this particular video series I purchased.

You seem to take my point as being either/or and that was not my point. My point was "the way the message was delivered" which to me said it all. Either I am like Sri Ramana Maharshi or I am some rich psuedo guru that sucks the energy of the weak (and their money along the way). There is something in between and Wilcock could be that thing in between and then I might be his biggest fan.

[Wind]

Why is there so much focus on the character of David?

The Sourcefield Investigations is a must read for anyone who is interested in spirituality or the times that we are living in right now... It has so much valuable information that it should not be missed, even if you don't like David Wilcock.

[Flash]

David Wilcock's problem to me seems one of an organization growing too fast, and in the process losing the very spirit that animated him in the first place. He may not even be aware of what his staff are doing...or maybe his right brain is not aware of what his left brain is doing.

Completely agree with this. And this happens often, in many good organisation when they start growing, owners lose sight and it turns out to be not what they were intending.

[Flash]

Lovely Chester,

Follow your diet, clear up your body and mind, enhance your abilities, I take this as a bump on the road, as a reaction going with the cleaning you are going through.

When you will be through, I am pretty sure you will be lauging at what took you with this thread. I, for one, already am. Gosh, you are soooo natural, it is disconcerting sometimes.

[Rocky_Shorz]

David should become King of the World and then we can settle all these matters once and for all.

sorry, the jobs already taken... ;)

light and lovers have been selling their secret knowledge for years, and everyone deserves to make a buck in what they do in life. who spends the buck is the one who says as a teacher he is good enough to listen to.

if you learned 1 message you didn't know before from his $77 four part series, it was worth the price...

even if it was not to buy his next series... ;)


I enjoy his TV programs exploring ancient mysteries, he at least is to the point of being seen on public television.


I have 0 interest in love and light messages, how to hop through a 5th dimension portal and become a God...


I would rather observe everything around me and change what can be by working with who I am...


closing your eyes and sleeping, lets you be your own God in a dimension beyond what we experience when awake...


that's the condensed version, please send $77 to my paypal account...


thanks...


:pound:

[ThePythonicCow]

As I was telling someone else recently:



I made a valiant effort to read "The Source Field Investigations" after someone recommended it so highly and frequently ... but I've only made it half way, with marginal enthusiasm. Wilcock spends too much time trying to convince the reader how awesome his information is, without convincing me he has a deep grasp of the concepts. He is constantly sounding like a trail lawyer, making his case before the jury, saying what ever will convince the jury of the importance of his case and the correctness of his position.

Even the talk about paying for every viewing of it and such that justoneman was complaining about in the opening post of this thread sounds to my ear more like:



What I am about to tell you is extra special super duper insider information -- treat it with extraordinary reverence and don't be spilling the swill to the common pigs who were too clueless to realize how uniquely profound and valuable my words are.
I prefer to work with those who carry on like we would if we were lost in a vast jungle with a few trusted friends, helping each other figure things out, sharing the work to find food, water, shelter and a way out, alerting each other of the various dangers, and assisting and caring for each other.

Don't Bogart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart&page=3) that research, David.

[gripreaper]

Don't Bogart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart&page=3) that research, David.

bogart: To keep for oneself, to hog or not share. Phrase from Country Joe and the Fish's song way back when, "Don't bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me."

Most here might be too young to remember this song, but when you used the term "bogart" I just couldn't resist. By the way, the spellchecker does not recognize it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGJvzwKqg0

[ThePythonicCow]

bogart: To keep for oneself, to hog or not share.
In this case, though David Wilcock shares (and sells) his information to millions, he insistently reminds us it is his information, both demanding to control how it is passed on further, and inadequately acknowledging his sources. Thus he strives to keep the information branded, like cows in a rancher's herd, with his brand. He strives to claim and maintain ownership of the information, to engage in an information scarcity economy.

That's what it means, in my terms, to Bogart information.

I'm more of an "open source" guy myself.

[TargeT]

Don't Bogart (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogart&page=3) that research, David.

This, I think, along with the gross over emphasis and drama creation, is why I cannot help but laugh at the "public figure" David presents. He maybe a good person to converse with in a more limited way ( though I doubt it).

I think The jewel of this thread (other than the eagle sighting) is the redirection to an actionable subject by Gripreaper


Free energy is the catalyst which will usher in this new age and make most of the other issues based around debt, scarcity, and slavery obsolete.

I am trying to make this my primary focus and am going so far as to study math and physics (which have always been subjects I struggle with).

We have active members trying to achieve what they can on this most important (IMO) topic (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49052-Modern-Electrical-Systems-Crimes-against-Man-THE-Sabbath-of-the-New-Science among others).

The mental exercise of sharing what we have learned & our thoughts on it is a good one, I think it is time to start acting on it however; gripreaper's sentence is an excellent reminder to me of what I think we need to focus on.

[Twinsel]

I made a valiant effort to read "The Source Field Investigations" after someone recommended it so highly and frequently ... but I've only made it half way, with marginal enthusiasm.

Yes, i have exactly the same, half way. In fact, i'am at work atm, and have the book waiting in my bag to be read. I'am truely facinated by the things David Wilcock has talked and written, and very thankfull for that. But seems like every person i admire, having a dark side. For me it's a good lesson that "the true" you can find outside yourself, but at the end, you will realize it's inside of you. Only mirrors...

[Amysenthia]

I am reading all of this very thought provoking and insightful posts and thinking to myself, "this is why the truly enlightened must go and live in the cave on top of the mountain after really reaching enlightenment". You simply can not listen to the dribble of people arguing over what enlightenment/ascension "IS" once you have reached it. You just KNOW that you have it and no longer require anyone else's opinion of it. I don't remember where I read the saying" "the teacher is never the student, and the student is never the teacher; when you are ready the teacher will come", I don't feel like researching my library for the origins. However, what my take on the conversation here is, Is that David has proposed himself as the teacher while he really is still the student. He sells his knowledge as that of a master while still the student.

That is what I meant by how he reacted to the prospect of being "ended' for the information that he divulged in his postings about the CABAL.

[enfoldedblue]

Hi,

This is particularly difficult because we are in changing times. The controled flow of information in just soooooo old paradigm :rolleyes: lol. So on the one hand Wilcock is saying his goal is to assits humanity to wake up..but then using all the old tricks in the book to ensure his personal success. To me it would seem that if he was really 'feeling' the transition inside himself he would just want to hurry the process up and get as many people on board as possible. In fact if he actually believed what he was saying, wouldn't amassing a personal fortune seem pointless?

It was interesting to come on this morning (oz) and read this because I have just been revamping my website and decided to put up a lot of my writing. I am happy to spread the info that comes through me freely. Yes I need to eat and have a roof, but apart from the basics to me the most important thing is humanity collectivly moving together and waking up to love. This is where I choose to invest. It's true, I hope that somehow I will be rewarded for the work I do, but for me it is not the priority. The more people who shift out of the old fear paradigm, the better chance we have at really shifting this reality. On my website I put up copywrite details, but for me that is just so that people don't take it and use it like it is their own, or make money out of it...and even that feels a bit weird.

So while I agree that everyone deserves to earn a living, and that it shouldn't matter if you are a dentist a plumber or a spiritual worker, when you start saying things like 'don't teach this info' then you are actually blocking a natural flow, for your own personal gain, and that to me does not feel clean.

Thanks for posting

[ExomatrixTV]

~I had a copyright strike from David Wilcock last year ... without a warning without a personal message ... in the disclaimer just under the video it stated clearly:

This video is [FAIR USE] under © COPYRIGHT LAW it is: 1 noncommercial 2 trans-formative in nature 3 not competitive with the original work 4 not effecting its market negatively FAIR USE NOTICE: This video contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.

... not only that, I mentioned also: if you disagree please send me a private message or email!

... same goes for David Sereda, Coast to Coast, Giavedoni Eric, StephenHannardADGUK and many other not so spiritual & "enlightened" people!

On 8 July 2011 $crewtube shot down my main channel EXOMATRlXTV (http://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=EXOMATRlXTV) with 27,000+ subs 570+ uploaded videos – 5 Million views! due to a double strike on 1 day: FALSE COPYRIGHT CLAIM from Giavedoni Eric (Kazakhstan UFO OVNI Hotspot Video) & Voice Entertainment David Sereda – All was Fair Use, Non-Profit & Education Purpose Only! – Both could ASKED ME to take it down I would! – 4 days later my backup channel (6520+ subs!) 12 July 2011 ALSO DOWN http://whynotnews.eu/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango24/frown.png


cheers,
John

... study my return, my come-back, after being taken down massively: http://whynotnews.eu/?p=1836

[Limor Wolf]

David Wilcok has many great values going for him, but as was well noted here and elsewhere, like all of us, he has his faults as well.(In my view crying from stress is not one of them), why then, if our nose start to smell a somewhat unpleasent odor (of someone who went for a marathon and breaks out in sweat), and we tend to think it's quite permanent, don't we quietly take our belongings and remove ourselves from the place with best wishes in our hearts for the person, alas, stay and complain on the smell.

'Energy goes, where the attention flows'.


Best wishes,

~

Limor

[christian]

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[Bill Ryan]

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Territoriality (one of the several Achilles' Heels of the alternative media), and the illusion that one can 'own' information, are very much old paradigm. This paradigm is centered on control and tends to trigger personal self-aggrandizement in all kinds of ways.

This is not saying that someone can't request money as fair exchange for their research and writing. Everyone needs to eat and have the means to further their work. But one does not have to deny energy to others in order to make oneself richer.

In my opinion, that's the old-paradigm illusion, and is the reason I've never once copyrighted any of my work. In an absolute sense, it's not mine to copyright. This information belongs to everyone, and we are blessed, when it happens, to be conduits. To be a researcher, writer and teacher in these times is a blessed duty and a privilege: nothing to do with ego. And that's the nub of it all.

[Spiral]

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Territoriality (one of the several Achilles' Heels of the alternative media), and the illusion that one can 'own' information, are very much old paradigm. This paradigm is centered on control and tends to trigger personal self-aggrandizement in all kinds of ways.

This is not saying that someone can't request money as fair exchange for their research and writing. Everyone needs to eat and have the means to further their work. But one does not have to deny energy to others in order to make oneself richer.

In my opinion, that's the old-paradigm illusion, and is the reason I've never once copyrighted any of my work. In an absolute sense, it's not mine to copyright. This information belongs to everyone, and we are blessed, when it happens, to be conduits. To be a researcher, writer and teacher in these times is a blessed duty and a privilege: nothing to do with ego. And that's the nub of it all.

Thats the long & the short of it, you can sell your labour, but no one has the right to put a price on truth.

[music]

Hi,

This is particularly difficult because we are in changing times. The controled flow of information in just soooooo old paradigm :rolleyes: lol. So on the one hand Wilcock is saying his goal is to assits humanity to wake up..but then using all the old tricks in the book to ensure his personal success. To me it would seem that if he was really 'feeling' the transition inside himself he would just want to hurry the process up and get as many people on board as possible. In fact if he actually believed what he was saying, wouldn't amassing a personal fortune seem pointless?

It was interesting to come on this morning (oz) and read this because I have just been revamping my website and decided to put up a lot of my writing. I am happy to spread the info that comes through me freely. Yes I need to eat and have a roof, but apart from the basics to me the most important thing is humanity collectivly moving together and waking up to love. This is where I choose to invest. It's true, I hope that somehow I will be rewarded for the work I do, but for me it is not the priority. The more people who shift out of the old fear paradigm, the better chance we have at really shifting this reality. On my website I put up copywrite details, but for me that is just so that people don't take it and use it like it is their own, or make money out of it...and even that feels a bit weird.

So while I agree that everyone deserves to earn a living, and that it shouldn't matter if you are a dentist a plumber or a spiritual worker, when you start saying things like 'don't teach this info' then you are actually blocking a natural flow, for your own personal gain, and that to me does not feel clean.

Thanks for posting

That's the long and the short of it.

[ThePythonicCow]

The warrior who trusts his path doesn't need to prove the other is wrong. Paulo Coeblo (EffortlessPeace.com)

I suspect there is something rather different, and perhaps more worthwhile, going on here.

There are three parties to discussions such as this, not just two. There are him, me and us.

If it were just David W. and me chatting, one on one, then yes, to the extent that David didn't find what I had to say worth listening too, fine ... I'm welcome to continue thinking what I do, and if I trust my path, I'll not be needing to persuade David he is (in my view) wrong on some matter.

But then there's "us" ... we here are engaged, amongst other things, in a shared effort to make sense of the confusions before us. Part of that includes noticing and pointing out the more significant confusions of thought or motive that we perceive (perhaps incorrectly) in the words and acts of others.

Doing so without getting too caught up in the emotions ... that gets trickier at times.

~~~~~~~

In other words, your quote is absolutely right ... in an indirect sort of way. Would that we each could see, and point out when it is helpful to do so, the more significant confusions of others, without needing to prove that we were right that they were wrong.

[Chester]

I definitely let my emotions get the best of me. I had been bottling up the way I felt about David's "warning" and the way he presented it ever since I bought the series. I had placed him on a pedestal and then imposed what I believe he should be upon him. I could have made my point without all the venom. I thought I had transcended this snaky side of me. I thought wrong. Chester

[Fred Steeves]

But then there's "us" ... we here are engaged, amongst other things, in a shared effort to make sense of the confusions before us. Part of that includes noticing and pointing out the more significant confusions of thought or motive that we perceive (perhaps incorrectly) in the words and acts of others.

Hi Paul. While what you're saying has merit, what I'm seeing as paramount these days, is how clearly we are each able to break down our own individual conditioning, and deal in all brutal honesty with what we continue to find.

As far as I'm concerned anyway, this is the only way out. Pointing the finger inward, not outward.

Cheers,
Fred

[enfoldedblue]

Ha ha ha it is funny the whole way we percieve ownership. When I read Bill's post my initial reaction...hey he said a very similar thing as me and didn't even thank me...lol...as if because I expressed those thoughts I had some sort of ownership of them...how silly. Now in reality Bill might not even have read my post and just happened to have similar thoughts. Ultimately it shouldn't matter because it is not about me...or Bill, it is about getting the ideas accross.

[Flash]

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Territoriality (one of the several Achilles' Heels of the alternative media), and the illusion that one can 'own' information, are very much old paradigm. This paradigm is centered on control and tends to trigger personal self-aggrandizement in all kinds of ways.

This is not saying that someone can't request money as fair exchange for their research and writing. Everyone needs to eat and have the means to further their work. But one does not have to deny energy to others in order to make oneself richer.

In my opinion, that's the old-paradigm illusion, and is the reason I've never once copyrighted any of my work. In an absolute sense, it's not mine to copyright. This information belongs to everyone, and we are blessed, when it happens, to be conduits. To be a researcher, writer and teacher in these times is a blessed duty and a privilege: nothing to do with ego. And that's the nub of it all.

What about others taking your work given freely, copyrithing it and selling it to make money out of it.

You are right, researchers, writers, teachers are blessed duty and privilege at the moment. If they are not fed but stolen and others are fed out of it, they won't remain researchers, teachers or writers for long. They will get trained as plumber to survive.

There is two paradigms here: free information to everyone (which it is and will be as soon as we develop our abilities further) vs thiefs and ignorants harming the dispensing of the information or the artwork or the teachings, etc. At the present time, they collide and those still under with it are the researchers, teachers, writers.

Until we get fully into the new paradigms, these great beings have to be fed and their children taken care of.

Personnally, I am converting into a plumber.

[MargueriteBee]

Reminds me of JZ Knight and Scamtha.

[panopticon]

I prefer to work with those who carry on like we would if we were lost in a vast jungle with a few trusted friends, helping each other figure things out, sharing the work to find food, water, shelter and a way out, alerting each other of the various dangers, and assisting and caring for each other.

This is the only reason I chose to be a member of Avalon.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[christian]

The warrior who trusts his path doesn't need to prove the other is wrong. Paulo Coeblo (EffortlessPeace.com)

your quote is absolutely right ... in an indirect sort of way

Exactly, in an indirect sort of way.

I mean, all the criticizm about what David does in a rather stupid way is absolutely legitimate. He's obviously having many flaws. Then there's this point that says "it's good to make people aware of that". Sure, but it's also good to make people aware of good stuff he does!

We don't just wanna critizise for the sake of it, right? We wanna make stuff work! So what can anyone else but him do about his "bad attitudes"? Now that may be a matter of preference of style. The more there is a creative element in a thing, the more I personally like it. Like creating alternatives instead of merely bashing. Like correcting others' flaws in oneself and letting that shine. That's non-invasive and yet fully supportive.

And while that is utterly indirect, it is from another perspective as direct as can be. It's the most subtle, but therefore the strongest. That's all described in the Dao De Jing (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html), how many times have I linked to that by now? :biggrin1:

The disarming grace of the Daoist classics so splendidly illustrates the folly of even those endeavors that we might consider very noble and worthwile, this is from the Zhuangzi:



Moreover, delight in the power of vision leads to excess in the pursuit of (ornamental) colours; delight in the power of hearing, to excess in seeking (the pleasures of) sound; delight in benevolence tends to disorder that virtue (as proper to the nature); delight in righteousness sets the man in opposition to what is right in reason; delight in (the practice of) ceremonies is helpful to artful forms; delight in music leads to voluptuous airs; delight in sageness is helpful to ingenious contrivances; delight in knowledge contributes to fault-finding.

If all men were to rest in the instincts of their nature, to keep or to extinguish these eight delights might be a matter of indifference; but if they will not rest in those instincts, then those eight delights begin to be imperfectly and unevenly developed or violently suppressed, and the world is thrown into disorder. But when men begin to honour them, and to long for them, how great is the deception practised on the world! And not only, when (a performance of them) is once over, do they not have done with them, but they prepare themselves (as) with fasting to describe them, they seem to kneel reverentially when they bring them forward, and they go through them with the excitements of music and singing; and then what can be done (to remedy the evil of them)?

Therefore the superior man, who feels himself constrained to engage in the administration of the world will find it his best way to do nothing. In (that policy of) doing nothing, he can rest in the instincts of the nature with which he is endowed. Hence he who will administer (the government of) the world honouring it as he honours his own person, may have that government committed to him, and he who will administer it loving it as he loves his own person, may have it entrusted to him.

Therefore, if the superior man will keep (the faculties lodged in) his five viscera unemployed, and not display his powers of seeing and hearing, while he is motionless as a representative of the dead, his dragon-like presence will be seen; while he is profoundly silent, the thunder (of his words) will resound, while his movements are (unseen) like those of a spirit, all heavenly influences will follow them; while he is (thus) unconcerned and does nothing, his genial influence will attract and gather all things round him: what leisure has he to do anything more for the government of the world?

Here's something for everyone who thinks you can make someone do something or better other people by invasively doing something to them:



Zhui Khü asked Lao Tan, saying,

'If you do not govern the world, how can you make men's minds good?'

The reply was,

'Take care how you meddle with and disturb men's minds. The mind, if pushed about, gets depressed; if helped forward, it gets exalted. Now exalted, now depressed, here it appears as a prisoner, and there as a wrathful fury. (At one time) it becomes pliable and soft, yielding to what is hard and strong; (at another), it is sharp as the sharpest corner, fit to carve or chisel (stone or jade). Now it is hot as a scorching fire, and anon it is cold as ice. It is so swift that while one is bending down and lifting up his head, it shall twice have put forth a soothing hand beyond the four seas. Resting, it is still as a deep abyss; moving, it is like one of the bodies in the sky; in its resolute haughtiness, it refuses to be bound; -such is the mind of man!'

So the Daoist essence is doing without doing, Wu Wei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei), simply being in the universal flow, the Dao, thus leading by example and anchoring balance and integrity.

[Maunagarjana]

justoneman,

I give you credit for owning your negative feelings toward someone and realizing it is not living a "higher truth" to have them, although you have valid reasons. I am always surprised by people that claim to teach something that they themselves do not possess. How can David be so "ascended" when so much of what he lives by is still so rooted in fear and materialism.

The first time I realized that he was not all that he claims to be was when he cried like a baby during the interview with Kerry when he was supposedly having his life threatened. Why would someone so advanced be so afraid of death. He just projected so much fear, fear, fear during that interview that I knew then that he was a fraud.

I remember that interview, and I also remember he said he was told he would be killed only "if he was lucky" and that the other outcome might be him being "disappeared" and kept somewhere in some deep underground base where it is possible his life and mind could be destroyed without him physically dying. Also, I don't know about you, but if I had slaved away to write a massive book that I saw as my magnum opus (as he had) and then right when I got a chance to publish it and end up on the bestseller list, I might be a bit upset that I didn't get to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

[Shade]

I don't see it as a problem in copyrighting what he has made as in the video and books or whatever, because that's something he made, himself. But as for "do not teach this material"... how can you own something that wasn't yours to begin with? So where did David get his teachings eh? He made it all up? David was taught by the teachings of others. He can't then speak them and claim that he owns them and no one else can then teach them.

Teachings belong to everyone and are freely available in the all-access one-mind. If he means specifically teach them as in "teach them as the teachings of David Wilcock" then fine, as in he can ask that people do not teach them under his name, nor can someone just take the whole course and call it their own, fine.. but any further reduction of it into "teachings that David owns..." that's really not OK. However, we don't know what - in which capacity above - he meant by his statement of do not teach this material.

[Maunagarjana]

I made a valiant effort to read "The Source Field Investigations" after someone recommended it so highly and frequently ... but I've only made it half way, with marginal enthusiasm.

I too have struggled getting through Source Field Investigations (which I just recently resumed trying to read) but mostly because a lot of the information is review from his previous books that I had read (The Shift of the Ages & The Divine Cosmos.) I'm hoping towards the end there's some new information that piques my interest.

[Chester]

I don't see it as a problem in copyrighting what he has made as in the video and books or whatever, because that's something he made, himself. But as for "do not teach this material"... how can you own something that wasn't your to begin with? So where did David get his teachings eh? He made it all up? David was taught by the teachings of others. He can't then speak them and claim that he owns them and no one else can then teach them.

Teachings belong to everyone and are freely available in the all-access one-mind. If he means specifically teach them as in "teach them as the teachings of David Wilcock" then fine, as in he can ask that people do not teach them under his name, nor can someone just take the whole course and call it their own, fine.. but any further reduction of it into "teachings that David owns..." that's really not OK. However, we don't know what - in which capacity above - he meant by his statement of do not teach this material.

Thank you for seeing one of my primary points - what no one can experience unless they do so first hand by spending the $77 dollars and then watching all 4 videos is the greater point I was trying to make.


Since I truly fear he will send his staff after me, I will not transcribe his several minute "warning" though I would like to. It was clearly written by a lovely lawyer, likely then Davidized, but then resubmitted to the lawyer for final clearance.

Here is an example of what I experienced - Now read the following and tell me the feeling you have about this company and thus ask yourself if you feel all warm and fuzzy (like you would expect to feel when access to your higher self has been revealed).

This is not a solicitation to buy or sell securities. For informational purposes only. This is not an official xxxxxxx, LLC statement. Refer to the original statement received. The above prices/summary/statistics have been obtained from sources we believe to be reliable, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. xxxxxxxx, LLC, including subsidiaries and/or affiliates, usually makes a market in the securities of this company. Within the past three years, xxxxxxxx, LLC including its parent, subsidiaries and/or affiliate, has acted as manager or co-manager of a public offering of the securities of this company. The information herein has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable, but we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness. xxxxxxxx, LLC does not give tax or legal advice. Please consult your accountant, tax or legal advisor for your individual situation. xxxxxxxxx, LLC, its affiliates, and its employees are not in the business of providing tax or legal advice. These materials and any tax-related statements are not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used or relied upon, by any such taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties. Tax-related statements, if any, may have been written in connection with the “promotion or marketing” of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed by these materials, to the extent allowed by applicable law. Any such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer’s particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.

Important Notice to Recipients:

The sender of this e-mail is an employee of xxxxxxxxxxxx LLC. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all electronic and paper copies and notify the sender immediately. Erroneous transmission is not intended to waive confidentiality or privilege. xxxxxxxxxxxx reserves the right, to the extent permitted under applicable law, to monitor electronic communications. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: xxxxxxx. If you cannot access this link, please notify us by reply message and we will send the contents to you. By messaging with xxxxxxx you consent to the foregoing.

How do you feel after reading all that? Have any access right now or anytime soon to any high self?

In fact, if you watch this video and look at David's eyes, you would swear he's high as a kite but hey, he quit weed over 17 years ago (he says) so I cannot make any definitive conclusions about that (but I digress). Note, I am not coming from emotion anymore - I just feel its a point that I am not comfortable with slipping away or getting brushed under the rug.

I happen to have children who might fall for this sorta guru wanna be and end up feeling/believing its alright to be two faced - I don't.

and to Maunagarjana - if I had slaved away to write a book that got published, I would hope others respect the copyright of my words. What I addressed had zero to do with his book nor the exact structuring of his words. David specifically stated "Please do not teach the material." Big difference.

[SilentFeathers]

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Territoriality (one of the several Achilles' Heels of the alternative media), and the illusion that one can 'own' information, are very much old paradigm. This paradigm is centered on control and tends to trigger personal self-aggrandizement in all kinds of ways.

This is not saying that someone can't request money as fair exchange for their research and writing. Everyone needs to eat and have the means to further their work. But one does not have to deny energy to others in order to make oneself richer.

In my opinion, that's the old-paradigm illusion, and is the reason I've never once copyrighted any of my work. In an absolute sense, it's not mine to copyright. This information belongs to everyone, and we are blessed, when it happens, to be conduits. To be a researcher, writer and teacher in these times is a blessed duty and a privilege: nothing to do with ego. And that's the nub of it all.

Hey, that's why I like this forum....I am not obligated and nothing is forced upon me......I am at my own discretion.

I make my money offering my skills as a craftsman/cabinet/furniture maker (among other things). My services do not include a magical ET or channeled influence to make me better than anyone else. I am better at my skill than SOME others but SOME others are better than I.....I DO NOT HAVE INSIDE INFORMATION that makes me a reincarnated being of a prophet cabinet maker nor I am not a hybrid of a tree person that gives me 12 dimensional knowledge of woodworking....I am only a simple human being, hire me for your cabinetry needs or take a hike down the street to the next cabinet maker! I prefer you to select my business for your cabinetry needs, but if you go elsewhere I be damned if I will accuse you of being stupid or tell you that you will not ascend if you don't hire me ....THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS!

Wilcock is selling you a product period like I am and telling people fantasy garbage (MY OPINION) from Ra, Cacey etc, that there is no one better down the street from him which I think is BS......his insiders are not credible IMO.

I have followed him for years....fascinated at first, and then the more I learned from him the more I felt as if I was back in my infancy of learning and totally thrown into the mud.....I know in my heart he is a good man and I actually like him, but I would not trust him with my life or in a group gun fight....

[Maunagarjana]

and to Maunagarjana - if I had slaved away to write a book that got published, I would hope others respect the copyright of my words. What I addressed had zero to do with his book nor the exact structuring of his words. David specifically stated "Please do not teach the material." Big difference.

I do see your point. But I was talking about something different with that comment. I meant that the interview where he cried because he had supposedly been threatened was right around the time he was publishing his book, and that might be a factor for why he had such an emotional reaction.

[SilentFeathers]

If I cried trying to sell my product I might get more sympathy too and increase sales....but it could actually hurt business also, especially if my product wasn't cracked up to be all I said it was to be....

[ThePythonicCow]

Personnally, I am converting into a plumber.

Here's your trucks -- ready to roll:

http://thepythoniccow.us/flash-plumbing.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

Here's your trucks -- ready to roll:

http://thepythoniccow.us/flash-plumbing.jpg

Those look like trucks black op agents would use while investigating ET believers and rapture gurus


(sorry, couldn't resist my ridiculous ways)

[gripreaper]

Those look like trucks black op agents would use while investigating ET believers and rapture gurus


(sorry, couldn't resist my ridiculous ways)

Don't forget you will need a torpedo level, to make sure your pipes have 1/4 inch per foot slope, otherwise sh!t wont run downhill...

And we all know that sh!t runs downhill. Just ask the CIA.

[ThePythonicCow]

As far as I'm concerned anyway, this is the only way out. Pointing the finger inward, not outward.
Random thought ... perhaps that inward vs outward choice is yet another false dichotomy :).

Not so random thought ... I prefer to think of this universe as having many levels of self-organizing structure, with such levels as atoms, molecules, biological cells, organs (of a living body), living bodies, communities, civilizations, solar systems, galaxies, ... and many, many more.

Given that view, the confusions we are dealing with here affect us both at the individual level, and and the group level, in different ways. They even affect us at lower biological levels, and likely at higher cosmological levels (solar system or galaxy.) It's not a choice of me (inward) versus us (outward). It's a mandate to work both levels, and many other levels as well.

[Spiral of Light]

"You miss the point entirely. I don't have a problem with him getting paid for his expression of how he sees "connection with one's higher self" at all whatsoever. That is done by all sorts of artists all over the planet. In fact, I have never stolen anyone's art, music nor other forms of expression of that nature.

If you have not made the purchase I made and then watched the 4 videos in this series then you probably cannot understand my point."


I also made the purchase, JustOneMan, and I totally agree that the copyright warnings were very heavy-handed and over-done.

I had been a loyal supporter for years, and had been a member of the 'transcription team' at Divine Cosmos, voluntarily transcribing the audios and videos on his website into transcripts. Many, many hours of my time were donated to that cause. What really turned me off and made me look at David and crew with a new awareness was when I asked if I could purchase a one or two-day pass to one of his conferences because I was unable to leave work to attend the third day and was told there were no allowances made to purchase a single day's attendance.

[lunaflare]

Maybe forward-wind the copyright warnings hey....that is the benefit of home-viewing!
Then you can focus on the material that does have resonance and/or causes some expansion in your conscious awareness.

I agree with one poster, don't always expect "perfection". This is DW's work and thus he has free expression to place whatever "limitations" he sees fit (as ironic as this may be).
Like Bill determining who can join avalon or not. (not that I have a problem with that!)
I am still struggling with Kerry Cassidy creating a funding site called, Dating Camelot....
:hippie:

[peace]

Thank you for saying so eloquently what I've failed to say with my ego getting in the way.

That being said ...

He has openly admitted to stealing others work. This seems to bother very few of his followers. Which scares/saddens me.

Again, he's probably a great dude. He just needs to sit down for awhile.

[Tommy]

I am still struggling with Kerry Cassidy creating a funding site called, Dating Camelot....
:hippie:

Well, as for the name choice I tend to agree.. But at least we are not charging for information on that site, it is a simple recipe to help people in the alt community get together and maybe find a partner.. something that is hard in this arena. So if you wan't to laugh about the working title name she made, be my guest (seriously, so did I), but don't try to drag us into this. I at this time don't even have a place to call home, I am staying at a friend's place at his good grace.

It is kinda funny, in a weird way, cause there are people out there selling our (Camelot's) interviews on DVD for money, neglecting to mention it is all available for free on our site and youtube.
So there are several angles to this copyright issue stuff, but I will agree that what the OP states is kinda extreme.. I do find the topic to be an interesting read though, so I appreciate all your thoughts on this.

[Bright Garlick]

Samuel - the guru business is a dangerous business, as much for the guru as the devotee. Well done on having the balls to challenge the integrity of another Guru, who as far as I can tell knows very little about reality and the needs of people. What he seems to have identified well is - a niche market that has lots of $'s and the vulnerabilities of certain types of people. Anyone attached to who they think they were in a previous life and publicizing it, has a real problem with with the sense of self and attachment per se.

Anyone with a smile and a humble nom de plume like yours, has every right to ask questions about ''spiritual copyright'' and to question the master !

Ignorance comes in an infinity of forms. You my friend are doing perfectly well on your own path !

Peace and good will to you,

Bright.

[Snookie]

I too have struggled trying to read DW's latest magnum opus. So far I have read about 1/4 of it at most, and most of the information I have read elsewhere. I decided I'd rather start reading Dolores Cannon's Convoluted Universe series, which I am finding much more interesting.

I haven't been following his work or website much lately...has he been addressing questions about the Drake fiasco? Does he still stick by Drake & say he is legit?

[markpierre]

So, mirror, mirror on the wall... what is wrong with me? Could I be wee bit jealous this clown is able to financially benefit from his presentation of "realistically close to home truths?" Flit all over the world as some budding celebrity, stay in all sorts of nice hotels, probably gets plenty of attention from the opposite sex (or perhaps the same sex if that's his flavor... or perhaps even both - certainly anyone who knows me knows I take issue with none of what adults decide to do by agreement in this way).



Just identify hypocrisy and step around it. I think you just recognise something that's obvious. You can't copyright truth, if that's what David thinks he represents. Interesting that Mr Cayce
believed that what he did came from God, and refused to benefit from it personally. If David has any memories, he might try to dredge that one up.
But I don't know what David does with his money.
How many 'teachers' on the circuit end up becoming travel agents, organizing cruises to lovely places to 'open new portals'. It gets a bit exclusive. Gosh. lets open a portal somewhere where no one would consider a combined holiday. Can we do that? Sorry, I still have a few troublesome judgements. Maybe just because I haven't had a 'holiday' in memory.
But they are always up against the same idea of lack as myself, and determined to do the work. They're not special, but I have to acknowledge that willingness.

Back in the day, the 'Foundation for Inner Peace' went on a copyright campaign and began persecuting ACIM teachers who were quoting the 'more than 10%' content rule
in their materials and websites. Literally ruining some very devoted people. Insane. And they went after us, because we flagrantly defied them on the basis of that Jesus said
'learn this, and give it away'. So we went on a campaign to break the copyright.
We printed through donation an uncopyrighted previous editing of the Course, and distributed it freely to anyone who asked for it. I used to even pay the postage out of pocket.
Strangely, I didn't go broke, or suffer for that in any way. It took a few years of court battles, but we won. Somewhere the principle caretakers of the material had lost the
the purpose and value of what the material said. We helped them find it again. Sound familiar? Sounds like a church.

To be honest Chester, I much prefer your ideas on spirituality to David's. You should just stick to teaching what you experience yourself. It's no less true or helpful than anything else.
Saint Chester. Get yourself a staff.

[Bill Ryan]

Since I truly fear he will send his staff after me, I will not transcribe his several minute "warning" though I would like to. It was clearly written by a lovely lawyer, likely then Davidized, but then resubmitted to the lawyer for final clearance.

Then send it to me by PM or e-mail, and I'll be happy to post it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ghehehe:cool:


I had placed him on a pedestal and then imposed what I believe he should be upon him. I could have made my point without all the venom. I thought I had transcended this snaky side of me. I thought wrong. Chester

Well, in this case, David has done his job quite well then wouldnt you say, "you thought wrong" thats past tense, correct?

Meaning you think RIGHT ( or at least better) now, one more lesson learned Chester, i came to the same conclusion about DW a while ago. ( made the same mistake too ( pedestalling).

[Aurelius]

<bumping this thread>

[TargeT]

Since I truly fear he will send his staff after me, I will not transcribe his several minute "warning" though I would like to. It was clearly written by a lovely lawyer, likely then Davidized, but then resubmitted to the lawyer for final clearance.

Then send it to me by PM or e-mail, and I'll be happy to post it.

"Fair use" must be frustrating to some personalities... And mischievously fun for others
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAIR_USE_Act

[Chester]

ok - here we go - and with some editorializing along the way...

Beginning at 00:25 David appears and begins to introduce Access Your Higher Self.
at 00:58 the following begins

“A couple [of] minor points of business that I’d like to start with first of all...

The art that you are seeing in this video is done by two visionary artists who I’m very proud of, John Seymour and Andrew Jones.

John Seymour’s website can be found at...
(here the video displays the copyright symbol – the c inside a circle)
http://borguecube636.deviantart.com/gallery/
and Andrew Jones’ art can be found at ANDROIDJONES.COM.

(at 1:26 - the next thing you see is “Piracy Warning – Please do not copy this material”).

Furthermore, we would like to give you a warning about piracy. It is very important that the content of this video be protected... this is privileged, protected content.

If a video is publicly released on YouTube or Google Video or elsewhere that traces back to your IP address, then you will be liable for damages.

The damages will be assessed at $77 dollars per video viewing and we will have the video taken down as soon as possible.

We do have staff who will be monitoring bit torrent file sharing websites as well as YouTube and other such sites like Vimeo for any such violations.

(Throughout the above segment of the video displays these statements).

Please, bare in mind, you don’t need to be Robin Hood. This is a private, grass roots effort. There’s no corporation to try to rob from here.

This is the most significant presentation of material I have ever given.

I have never before put together everything there is to know in my life’s experience about accessing your higher self.

There may be a book at some point, there may be other videos that will be free but, please, keep this only to yourself and only in this paid format that you’re watching on this website.

(It is now 2:44 and the video begins to flash the words, “Confidentiality Warning”).

We also have a warning about confidentiality that is very important.

This material is presented under an exclusive copyright of David Wilcock for 2010.

Any website, email, public speaking that you may give, an MP3 file, a video, whatever that uses content from this video either in terms of footage clips or in terms of thematic material (can you get any broader??) will be considered a copyright violation.

Of course you can talk in general terms of what you have learned here but, please, do not teach the material as it is presented here.

This is proprietary information. It is very important that you refer people back to this video.

You can allude to the fact that you’ve learned some valuable things here and maybe give a few examples but please do not dive in and begin teaching this content as if it was yours to teach. (end - 3:36)

Now additional commentary from justoneman -

Imagine you had a significant other that was diagnosed with cancer. And the dietary recommendations found in David’s video might be able to resolve her/his cancer issue. Because you purchased via FRNs this video and watched the video, coupled with the sweepingly broad statements made by David Wilcock for almost 3 full minutes, you and probably 99% of the normal, real world folks that may have purchased this video would have zero clue if they could give this loved one the dietary program you discovered in David’s video... even though the dietary recommendations are not unique and even though the likelihood of ever being pursued by David's staff for sharing this are realistically just about zero. Still, David is fully aware of the power of NLP and I expected more from him... no... I expected better of him. He knows better. Unless perhaps he is really that clueless and/or compromised by the very materiality he sells you that he can show you how to transcend.


Imagine you actually raised your level of understanding of life and reality through watching David’s video where you were stimulated to actually access elements of a so called "higher self" and because of that process you became a better person from the perspective of what you contribute to and interact with your family, your friends, associates at work and your community and folks started asking you... “What happened to you? How did you accomplish this wonderful change in your being,” and you suddenly recall David’s warnings (strenuously implanted deep within your psyche) and so instead of sharing what has helped you become the change you want to see such that others might be inspired by your example AND have the opportunity to hear about how you achieved this, you are mind blocked by this heavy handed message at the sub conscious level and at your conscious level you may actually fear that his staff might come after you.

It is my opinion that unless Wilcock takes a true, long, hard look in the mirror, David Wilcock will continue to represent a significant form of gate keeping, strengthen in becoming a road block as opposed to a bridge to a real accessing of any higher experience for humanity and perhaps take a lot of good souls down a very different and dark path towards lovely folks like Drake and whoever the next “handled” savior may be.

That the man is moving into the controlled mainstream media and is so compromised yet so comfortable with himself, it seems to me he has no, true conscience. There is a disconnect and it reduces the chances of humanity's ability to take a rapid, significant chance to leap forward through this current stage of human expectation.

It is my most certain conclusion that David Wilcock is currently, clearly archontically compromised. I have identified enough factors that my conclusion is that he is under the influence of a Horus-Ra type entity (and perhaps others). If he did not have such a public reach I would not have wasted my time in stirring up the fires. The ripple effects from archontically directed human beings can create religions that end up producing more deaths than any other meme.

This is why I voluntarily keep myself in my own cage as I have been (and therefore may very well still be) seriously archontically compromised.

So there, I got it all out. Yes, finger pointing. And trust me, I spend quite a bit of time looking in my own mirror and perhaps this is why I can sometimes do something stupid like point my crooked finger at another. I do know what I bring upon myself by so doing.

Love to All, thanks, Spiral of Light for your honesty. Chester

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Sneaky dude eh, David has for sure made more bucks by tracing illegal viewers then by selling his video, his grandiose way of atracting attention to him self for the last year ( especially since the whole drake thing and the billion dollar lawsuit) must have made him some cash, i cannot imagine all those people working for him work for free.

Youtube is littered with videos of him. Go to YT and type his name, see for yourself.


If a video is publicly released on YouTube or Google Video or elsewhere that traces back to your IP address, then you will be liable for damages.

The damages will be assessed at $77 dollars per video viewing and we will have the video taken down as soon as possible.

We do have staff who will be monitoring bit torrent file sharing websites as well as YouTube and other such sites like Vimeo for any such violations.

A banker worthy business model if you ask me.

It also strikes me as not very enlightened to be not worthy of knowledge when you cant spare the 77 bucks to inform yourself.

I am a Reiki master since 2003, thats an investment in Myself, i dont bill people for my personal interests and sharing them, want to give me something for my time or express a thank you, fine, fix me a sandwich and a cuppa and we are done with eachother, thank you.

[efields]

You didn't think Wrong, You honored your Real Feelings. I agree with you on it all. Being honest is the true spirituality. Not politically correct. Kudos. You Grok It!!



I definitely let my emotions get the best of me. I had been bottling up the way I felt about David's "warning" and the way he presented it ever since I bought the series. I had placed him on a pedestal and then imposed what I believe he should be upon him. I could have made my point without all the venom. I thought I had transcended this snaky side of me. I thought wrong. Chester

[Tane Mahuta]

Hi Chester great post. I recommend that you email you entire post to...and gauge his responce!!!

I've said in many of my posts...Take in what resonates...discard what doesn't.

As for the CD's you purchased, why don't you gift them to someone.

(provided it doesn't infringe)"ahem"

TM

[RMorgan]

You can allude to the fact that you’ve learned some valuable things here and maybe give a few examples but please do not dive in and begin teaching this content as if it was yours to teach.

This sentence is extremely interesting. It reveals a lot about his character.

David could be very well saying this to himself, because at least 90% of the information he teaches is part of other people´s researches.

So, it´s exactly what he´s doing; Teaching other people´s material as if it was his own original work.

He´s basically saying that he can collect other people´s work and teach them at will, as if they were all fruits of his beautiful enlightened intellect, but if anyone else do it then it´s a copyright violation.

Tell me about hypocrisy, David...

Raf.

[Ultima Thule]

You can allude to the fact that you’ve learned some valuable things here and maybe give a few examples but please do not dive in and begin teaching this content as if it was yours to teach.

This sentence is extremely interesting. It reveals a lot about his character.

David could be very well saying this to himself, because at least 90% of the information he teaches is part of other people´s researches.

So, it´s exactly what he´s doing; Teaching other people´s material as if it was his own original work.

He´s basically saying that he can collect other people´s work and teach them at will, as if they were all fruits of his beautiful enlightened intellect, but if anyone else do it then it´s a copyright violation.

Tell me about hypocrisy, David...

Raf.

Touche... :fencing:

Although where does one draw the line? Has anyone of us ever done but regurgitation of what has been done, invented or taught before by someone, somewhere and we just either don´t know of it, or the stuff has just been forgotten..

A defitnie Touche by you Raf in any case but does the tip of the fencing sword touch all our chest pieces at the same exact moment it touches Davids?
Tough one to figure out.:confused:

UT

[Twinsel]

Copy Paste FTW!!! :eyebrows:

[modwiz]

It is interesting to follow this thread, especially since I currently live under the same roof as one of the posters, 9eagle, and this conversation has been pursued in depth and in real time. The depth of probing by her is multi-disciplinary and yields some data of interest. The numerology of David's name seems to have had an impact on some of his choices.

He is missing both 7 and 8 from his name, but since his name adds up to 8 (53) he has that energy inherent. That leaves him grasping for 7's. As Chester has shown, 77 dollars is a recurrent fee.

Also, ARE is a very respectable organization with some really magically capable people, including descendants of Edgar Cayce. Their low key presence in the world is striking. Their Heritage line of products is a source of quality and goodness. It has been for decades. One might think that an alliance between David and ARE would be a no-brainer. It is my knowledge (which may be incorrect) that he has approached ARE and they want no part of the reincarnated personage of their inspiration. Hmm.

ARE=Association for Research and Enlightenment

[RMorgan]

It is interesting to follow this thread, especially since I currently live under the same roof as one of the posters, 9eagle, and this conversation has been pursued in depth and in real time. The depth of probing by her is multi-disciplinary and yields some data of interest. The numerology of David's name seems to have had an impact on some of his choices.

He is missing both 7 and 8 from his name, but since his name adds up to 8 (53) he has that energy inherent. That leaves him gasping for 7's. As Chester has shown, 77 dollars is a recurrent fee.

Also, ARE is a very respectable organization with some really magically capable people, including descendants of Edgar Cayce. Their low key presence in the world is striking. Their Heritage line of products is a source of quality and goodness. It has been for decades. One might think that an alliance between David and ARE would be a no-brainer. It is my knowledge (which may be incorrect) that he has approached ARE and they want no part of the reincarnated personage of their inspiration. Hmm.

Hey modwiz,

You´re correct. According to ARE, no one was able to prove to be Edgar´s reincarnation so far.

The man left a series of secret passwords and symbols, anticipating that a lot of people would claim to be in touch with him or to be his reincarnation.

No one was able to come up with the correct passwords so far.

Source: http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/edgarcayce.aspx?id=2473#reincarnate


Q: Has Edgar Cayce reincarnated/returned? Did Edgar Cayce predict his return (in 1998)?
A: This question has come up very frequently–with individuals claiming to either be Edgar Cayce himself or stating that they are in communication with Edgar Cayce. At the present time, A.R.E. does not believe that Edgar Cayce has returned...

...All of this said, frequently individuals have still been so convinced that they are either the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or in communication with him, that we have often asked them to respond to several questions that only Edgar Cayce would know the answer to. At this point in time, no one has ever answered any of the questions correctly.

[modwiz]

It is interesting to follow this thread, especially since I currently live under the same roof as one of the posters, 9eagle, and this conversation has been pursued in depth and in real time. The depth of probing by her is multi-disciplinary and yields some data of interest. The numerology of David's name seems to have had an impact on some of his choices.

He is missing both 7 and 8 from his name, but since his name adds up to 8 (53) he has that energy inherent. That leaves him gasping for 7's. As Chester has shown, 77 dollars is a recurrent fee.

Also, ARE is a very respectable organization with some really magically capable people, including descendants of Edgar Cayce. Their low key presence in the world is striking. Their Heritage line of products is a source of quality and goodness. It has been for decades. One might think that an alliance between David and ARE would be a no-brainer. It is my knowledge (which may be incorrect) that he has approached ARE and they want no part of the reincarnated personage of their inspiration. Hmm.

Hey modwiz,

You´re correct. According to ARE, no one was able to prove to be Edgar´s reincarnation so far.

The man left a series of secret passwords and symbols, anticipating that a lot of people would claim to be in touch with him or to be his reincarnation.

No one was able to come up with the correct passwords so far.

Source: http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/edgarcayce.aspx?id=2473#reincarnate


Q: Has Edgar Cayce reincarnated/returned? Did Edgar Cayce predict his return (in 1998)?
A: This question has come up very frequently–with individuals claiming to either be Edgar Cayce himself or stating that they are in communication with Edgar Cayce. At the present time, A.R.E. does not believe that Edgar Cayce has returned...

...All of this said, frequently individuals have still been so convinced that they are either the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce or in communication with him, that we have often asked them to respond to several questions that only Edgar Cayce would know the answer to. At this point in time, no one has ever answered any of the questions correctly.

I appreciate your confirmation.

[sdv]

People ignoring copyright and redistributing material for free is a problem. However, David seems to have been ill advised in trying to solve this problem. First, he seems to have not made it clear that his ownership of the material is in its form and perhaps not in the material itself (I can't afford to buy it so I am trusting what people have said here, and perhaps those people have misunderstood what David has said).

By the way, I am interested to find out why a mechanism has not been developed that technically prevents people from copying and redistributing copyright videos. This would be useful; for example, my understanding is that when I publish for Kindle I choose an option which prevents people from saving, copying or printing my material.

However, part of publishing the material is that you want to share the information so you want people to talk about it and share. In fact, if that is done successfully, you build a good reputation. Besides, one person can only do so much and others may be able to pass on the message more effectively, not so? It does not seem to make sense for him to say that you may not teach this material (why would someone create a business teaching the material presented by David anyway?).

If I was advising David, I would have said that he should offer his video for a nominal fee of $5, for a month, through alternative media (and give 20% to the owner of the website), and after that offer it for $10 from his website. He would probably sell more and make more money that way, and if his material is good, then he creates a big market demand.

Perhaps he is catering to a high-end market but does not have a way to prevent the copying and distribution of the material? I am not sure.

Can we not lose sight of the fact that he legally and ethically does have the right to say that you may not copy and distribute his work in form (i.e. the video in its entirety, in any form, or excerpts other than small quotes to be used for review purposes, and so on). He has ownership of the material in the way he has presented it, but it is very difficult to prove ownership of ideas. Anyone can publish a book that is an anlysis of one of his ideas, as presented, and that would not be a violation of copyright.

[Cartomancer]

Are we actually wasting another entire thread with everyone's energy with this guy?! This guy a few months ago was telling us to believe "Drake" and "Fulford." How did that turn out for everyone? Now we're even debating this crap further? I remember several people here staunchly defending the effluvia that comes out of this mans mouth-to the point of saying his predictions would come true 'later.'

Wilcock is going to keep throwing punches in the dark until he gets a hit-which he likely won't. I have never seen someone so full of it get so far in the media. Now we're debating whether its o.k. to copy or 'teach' his information to others. Who cares. Everyone should go out and do their own research and not leave it to people like this to tell you what is going on. This guy is bad news and I have sensed that after the very first time I saw one of his videos. He is in it for the money and making a living doing this.

Even if he doesn't believe it this man's mission in life is to confuse you and lead you away from the truth. We would all be better off not wasting another iota of our time on this overblown B.S. artist. He pins his entire schtick on his resemblance to Edgar Cayce and now admonishes others not to copy or 'reteach' his delusional crap? There is a distinct pattern through history of people like this man misleading and fooling everyone. This guy is a charlatan in the tradition of Mesmer and Caliogstro and you all are eating it up with a fork and knife. Your questioning and intuitive nature is being used against you.

[Mandala]

I looked forward to meeting David at the Awake and Aware conference. I bought his book and did find it cutting edge. That being said, I feel he should be paid for his work, but now I think it is EGO driven.

He has fallen into the lure of success and capitalism. He was once service to others, but now is being pulled by the magnet of service to self.

Get back to walking the walk David, not just talking the talk.

[Akasha]

Then he goes into a "confidentiality warning" - the copyright is of "David Wilcock, 2010."

"Any website, email, public address, MP3, video, etc. (yes... etc. thus wide open to every possible method of information transformation) using this content (yes, "content" - wide open... all the information he is sharing in this video series he is "locking down") will be considered a copyright violation."

"Please do not teach the material."

Yes, he actually says that. I swear to God he actually says that.



The Monsanto of new-age self-help?

[Chester]

Then he goes into a "confidentiality warning" - the copyright is of "David Wilcock, 2010."

"Any website, email, public address, MP3, video, etc. (yes... etc. thus wide open to every possible method of information transformation) using this content (yes, "content" - wide open... all the information he is sharing in this video series he is "locking down") will be considered a copyright violation."

"Please do not teach the material."

Yes, he actually says that. I swear to God he actually says that.



The Monsanto of new-age self-help?

Yes, I actually made that very analogy in a post in another thread yesterday -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52391-Thoughts-on-Copyrights&p=588664&viewfull=1#post588664


Is Divine Cosmos on the way to becoming the Monsanto of "awakening?" The Monsanto of access to your "higher self?"

...this is precisely the feeling I got... and I believe David Wilcock can do far, far better than that. I have zero doubt about his desire to be helpful for others.

[modwiz]

Since David vetted and then introduced us to "Drake", he has had a declining credibility problem, IMO. His 15 minutes of fame was not used well.

[Sirius White]

I don't blame you for your feelings. I could make money off my "discoveries," philosophies and understandings. Wilcock is cool and advanced in his own right, and I respect him as a brother of Source. But to be honest, he strikes me as someone of ego, with a sense of entitlement and more. I know people who blow his knowledge away and give it away for free- and work in secret. I myself do this as well, and share it freely iwth everyone I meet who is willing to listen. And beleive me, it is years and years of research and understanding that to this day- I have not seen anyone else compile.

Recently I stayed at a friends, and her roomates house for nothing else but being led to her. I talked to this girl (who needed this talk) for almost 12 hours straight. Just sharing my knowledge. She said her entire biology had changed. She was crying, had epiphanies and her life had changed. She thanked me and asked me what she could do and I said nothing. it is MY JOY TO SEE PEOPLE AWAKEN. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL GAIN that could EVER come close to that! I expend lots of energy when I do this too, it is just the way I touch people through words, and my energy field. Almost like I am being sent to random people to meet unconsciously.

I may actually end up writing some books among other things. But it will not be for the money, you can be sure of that.

So after hearing your story. Yup, sounds typical. That's one way the PTB win. They turn you into a money grubbing attention seeking guru :(

[confused]

Wilcock never resonated with me. I was always annoyed by him and paid little attention to anything from him outside of what showed up on Camelot. He very much irks me because I can see in him some big flaws that I also do not like about myself - a grand amount of naivetee and a strong ego that make can make for a very embarassing combination.

That being said, everyone's journey of awakening begins and continues differently, and Wilcock may very well be what someone needs to hear at their particular point in the process. Just because the info is not true, or misleading (not to say all of his stuff is) does not mean it can not be useful for someone's awakening. For example, my world was shattered and my filters destroyed when I came accross the peak oil theory back in 2004 by some lawyer bloke Matt Savinar who covered all the bases of his argument. I had a nervous breakdown and I began to question absolutely everything, which kickstarted by awakening and eventually led me to other deeper conspiratorial and esoteric information. Of course I can see now that peak oil is just disinfo, but with hindsight this disinfo was the catalyst that I needed for my own journey.

Awakening can be a very mysterious process where mis/dis-info can actually be an important and essential "truth" at a certain point in the process for a particular reason that you may not know until much time has passed.

[HaveBlue]

David Wil cock things up from time to time. He is human and fallible like us all!

[Flash]

I don't blame you for your feelings. I could make money off my "discoveries," philosophies and understandings. Wilcock is cool and advanced in his own right, and I respect him as a brother of Source. But to be honest, he strikes me as someone of ego, with a sense of entitlement and more. I know people who blow his knowledge away and give it away for free- and work in secret. I myself do this as well, and share it freely iwth everyone I meet who is willing to listen. And beleive me, it is years and years of research and understanding that to this day- I have not seen anyone else compile.

Recently I stayed at a friends, and her roomates house for nothing else but being led to her. I talked to this girl (who needed this talk) for almost 12 hours straight. Just sharing my knowledge. She said her entire biology had changed. She was crying, had epiphanies and her life had changed. She thanked me and asked me what she could do and I said nothing. it is MY JOY TO SEE PEOPLE AWAKEN. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL GAIN that could EVER come close to that! I expend lots of energy when I do this too, it is just the way I touch people through words, and my energy field. Almost like I am being sent to random people to meet unconsciously.

I may actually end up writing some books among other things. But it will not be for the money, you can be sure of that.

So after hearing your story. Yup, sounds typical. That's one way the PTB win. They turn you into a money grubbing attention seeking guru :(

Yes, one thing most people do not understand is that there is not much money to be made from books or even DVD unless your are a pop artist like nicky menage and get millions of hits for you stupidities. There is not much money to be made on a small topic market, not worth the work involved.

As far as I am concern I very much much prefer to have Wilcock have a million hits on youtube, at least it would open some minds doors, while Nicky Menage closes them for sure. This is for one.

The other thing is that money is made through conferences and teachings/seminars. However, this is a very difficult life. Those who haven't lived in hotels for years do not undestand this aspect - hotels are the same all over the world, but the bathroom door place changes place in the middle of the night (very disagreable) - because you do not know where you are anymore.

You lose your friends because you are always awway (including steady relationships).. You cannot eat and exercise properly, you are always jet lagged, always adapting to new environments, and always supposed to meet others aspirations and expectations of you, at least it is what they think and what they judge you on most of the time.

Not a nice life. Seems exotic but it is not and mostly not worth even 150,000 a years, too damaging on ones health.

Personnally, I think that it is much more profitable to have a forum like this one. Not on the financial aspects, (in fact, it is probably less profitable financially) but when all combined, financial stability (to survive at least), health controlled, possible stability in one's personal life, work time involved, it seems much better to me.

This is my opinion based on life experience (mine of course)

As long as we haven't walked in someone else's shoes, we should avoid judging because it is too often based on misconceptions.

there is a difference between facts and judgment, and the bottom line is we do not have the real facts. Worst part, judgments and misconceptions would make most of us not believe the down to earth facts (money and all).



ps: Two acquantances were talking to me about Kerry's money, how rich the donations were making her. I calculated with them very fast how much she was most probably receiving, the cost of travelling and equipement (the cheapest ones), and she was left with very little for living expenses. She would have been better off getting a job in a company. Jalousy and misperceptions make wonders to create stories.

I think that Wilcock is in the same situation, not so much money unless he finally gets a film agreement with good coverage, after years and years of underpaid work. And there, the potential to be screwed are multiplied by thousands.

[ulli]

There is a ratio between the world we wish to see unfolding before us
and our reaction when it isn't happening quite the way we envision.

So on the one hand we can only have the power of manifestation when our intent is fueled by strong passions,
yet on the other hand those same passions can sabotage that intent.

Which is why so much time has to be invested at bringing the emotional level to a balanced or positive reading,
(such as love, or enthusiasm, or a cheerful attitude in the face of adversity)
and get rid of all unwanted and negative emotions.

David is an emotional person, and this is what helps him build on the fantasies he wants to see materialized.
Those fantasies are what makes our world at a collective level.

Yet, self image can get in the way at times...
like, the more he focuses on seeing himself on the world stage,
the less time he can spend building his beautiful utopia.

[Youniverse]

People are complex. Gotta take the good with the bad. He has a big ego and with that come many other traits. But I still think having come out the way he did was better than if he'd just kept his info private and led an anonymous life. A good portion of the info he puts out is really valuable, I find.

Much of the info in Source Field Investigations is really cutting edge in my opinion, or take the 43T lawsuit for instance. Now a year after he started talking about it even the mainstream media reported on it and it seems people got killed over that:
CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit (http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/)

Obviously this is murky, so just take everything with a grain of salt.

All I'm saying is, there are annoying characteristics to be found in everyone. So the challenge as a human collective is to somehow appreciate this fact and focus on continually developing constructively. Everybody can only lead by example and we cannot make others develop, but we can still love from the heart. Those who are the hardest to love need it most.

Yes! And thanks by the way to justoneman for his good points at the start here. I always TRY to see the good in everyone and overlook the negatives. I hope everyone will do the same for me. I'm on board with what justoneman is saying. I've also enjoyed and found helpful much of Wilcock's work. He is a very smart guy and has done some excellent work for the planet. I thought "Source Field Investigations" was very well done. Even if Wilcock is a bit off base at times, I've heard him say quite a few kind and considerate things as well.

[Chester]

I don't blame you for your feelings. I could make money off my "discoveries," philosophies and understandings. Wilcock is cool and advanced in his own right, and I respect him as a brother of Source. But to be honest, he strikes me as someone of ego, with a sense of entitlement and more. I know people who blow his knowledge away and give it away for free- and work in secret. I myself do this as well, and share it freely iwth everyone I meet who is willing to listen. And beleive me, it is years and years of research and understanding that to this day- I have not seen anyone else compile.

Recently I stayed at a friends, and her roomates house for nothing else but being led to her. I talked to this girl (who needed this talk) for almost 12 hours straight. Just sharing my knowledge. She said her entire biology had changed. She was crying, had epiphanies and her life had changed. She thanked me and asked me what she could do and I said nothing. it is MY JOY TO SEE PEOPLE AWAKEN. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL GAIN that could EVER come close to that! I expend lots of energy when I do this too, it is just the way I touch people through words, and my energy field. Almost like I am being sent to random people to meet unconsciously.

I may actually end up writing some books among other things. But it will not be for the money, you can be sure of that.

So after hearing your story. Yup, sounds typical. That's one way the PTB win. They turn you into a money grubbing attention seeking guru :(

Yes, one thing most people do not understand is that there is not much money to be made from books or even DVD unless your are a pop artist like nicky menage and get millions of hits for you stupidities. There is not much money to be made on a small topic market, not worth the work involved.

As far as I am concern I very much much prefer to have Wilcock have a million hits on youtube, at least it would open some minds doors, while Nicky Menage closes them for sure. This is for one.

The other thing is that money is made through conferences and teachings/seminars. However, this is a very difficult life. Those who haven't lived in hotels for years do not undestand this aspect - hotels are the same all over the world, but the bathroom door place changes place in the middle of the night (very disagreable) - because you do not know where you are anymore.

You lose your friends because you are always awway (including steady relationships).. You cannot eat and exercise properly, you are always jet lagged, always adapting to new environments, and always supposed to meet others aspirations and expectations of you, at least it is what they think and what they judge you on most of the time.

Not a nice life. Seems exotic but it is not and mostly not worth even 150,000 a years, too damaging on ones health.

Personnally, I think that it is much more profitable to have a forum like this one. Not on the financial aspects, (in fact, it is probably less profitable financially) but when all combined, financial stability (to survive at least), health controlled, possible stability in one's personal life, work time involved, it seems much better to me.

This is my opinion based on life experience (mine of course)

As long as we haven't walked in someone else's shoes, we should avoid judging because it is too often based on misconceptions.

there is a difference between facts and judgment, and the bottom line is we do not have the real facts. Worst part, judgments and misconceptions would make most of us not believe the down to earth facts (money and all).



ps: Two acquantances were talking to me about Kerry's money, how rich the donations were making her. I calculated with them very fast how much she was most probably receiving, the cost of travelling and equipement (the cheapest ones), and she was left with very little for living expenses. She would have been better off getting a job in a company. Jalousy and misperceptions make wonders to create stories.

I think that Wilcock is in the same situation, not so much money unless he finally gets a film agreement with good coverage, after years and years of underpaid work. And there, the potential to be screwed are multiplied by thousands.

I would bet all I have that Bill Ryan is not getting rich from Project Avalon. I would bet all I have that Kerry Cassidy is not getting rich from Project Camelot. I would bet both of them live rather modestly because my observations lead me to conclude they put much of what they can back into their organizations. I may be wrong, but that's my guess.

Now, having said that and if I am pretty much right on, this likelihood does not make their contributions any more the truth or not. These two things are mutually exclusive. I know some excellent people who are very, very service to others oriented who are also well off and in some cases could be called "rich" (whatever that level might be...).

If anyone tries to tie together if someone may be wealthy or not from their artistic and or presentation of their own intellection property (the how they present it or if they have a legally protectable idea) into this discussion, then they have missed my point entirely. This is not my first post in this thread that I have tried to eliminate the tie in that some here might still be mixing up.

David could have rightful, legal protection of his intellectual property as anyone can without having to make such a lengthy and over baring statement where he then went far too far than even the most draconian courts would consider as a validly stated warning regarding such protection.

Now when we consider that the content he is trying to protect is about the last thing any rational minded, semi awakened individual could justify trying to protect - the various acquisition processes Wilcock "taught" which encompass our born right to our own higher self then perhaps we might have the guts to tell the guy directly which I would do if I had his phone number.

Some of you here claim to have a relationship with David Wilcock. If you do, please let him know I would love to share my view directly with him voice to voice and if he would like to so do, via Skype. If I could afford to miss work and afford to travel, I would be glad to go meet him just about anywhere he may desire, by myself, in the flesh and speak with him directly about my view. I would probably ask him if he would accept me handing him the files I have of his four videos so that I could obtain a refund and yes, he could deduct his processing fees.

Hopefully, those who wish to continue to shift my OP away from the two major points I was doing my very best to make which had nothing to do with if it is right or not for an artist to expect and even mention some sort of protection of their artistic renderings which includes the combinations of words used in presenting fiction or truth will finally understand the two points I was making.

[Flash]

Justoneman

David, as you, as I, is learning. Same process, different routes.

For one, I am not trying to shift your op, and I was more answering to others than you on that one. Oh, for Bill and Kerry, reread my post, I am saying precisely what you are saying. Just with other words.

Second, even If I kept your OP intention, which seems to be the proprietary intentions and actions taken by David on material that is universal, if I am not mistaken, it would not change my post much.

If you haven't walked in his shoes, you cannot judge. No more than I can judge your reaction to David's behavior. The guy has and is opening thousands of peoples eyes, let him do it. For the rest, he is learning. As we all are. Is he himself misled? Maybe. Is he in his ego? Often. Yet, he is doing his job.

When you bite Justoneman, you do not let go. I would not want to be on your bad side.

Little side comment, with all my love and consideration Justoneman: cleaning up the physical also means letting go at the emotional level. Well, letting go at all levels. My 2 cents.

[Chester]

Justoneman

David, as you, as I, is learning. Same process, different routes.

Agree 100%



For one, I am not trying to shift your op, and I was more answering to others than you on that one. Oh, for Bill and Kerry, reread my post, I am saying precisely what you are saying. Just with other words.

I do not think I was addressing you there, Flash... was addressing the same folks you addressed - "two acquaintences."


Second, even If I kept your OP intention, which seems to be the proprietary intentions and actions taken by David on material that is universal, if I am not mistaken, it would not change my post much.

This statement appears to reflect what I perceive to be a misunderstanding of my two points, only one of which addresses proprietary intentions - specifically, how does one own what I believe is our born right - access to our "higher self" which actually was a secondary point from my primary point.



If you haven't walked in his shoes, you cannot judge.

The man has made himself a public figure which comes with some personal responsibility. That he rails so heavily against the very system he uses (as well as that system's heavy handed way of protecting their own possessions to protect what he feels he is entitled to is absolute hypocrisy. He exposes himself by becoming a public figure to my calling him out. I don't "judge him" as good or bad. I use the noun hypocrite to label his actions. The definitions of that word are at the following link -

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Both are accurate.

Wouldn't you think someone who claims to be able to teach how one can access their higher self may have done so? And wouldn't then you think that if they had done so while simultaneously being a public figure that effects many, many, many other people do better than this?

I can only speak for myself but I expect better of this man, far better. And trust me I hold myself to far higher standards than that am I am just a lowly odds maker who posts my thoughts on a forum and glad to so be.


No more than I can judge your reaction to David's behavior. The guy has and is opening thousands of peoples eyes, let him do it. For the rest, he is learning. As we all are. Is he himself misled? Maybe. Is he in his ego? Often. Yet, he is doing his job.


The guy has and is opening thousands of people's eyes - great... and so then he has folks who begin to trust him and as humans do, begin to rely on him. Then he teaches by the very words he so heavily hammers the purchaser of his so called special road to enlightenment with... words backed by the very system he has sucked his followers into believing he will triumphantly lead them out of the very grips of. If this is still hard to understand... hard to see, then I really can start to understand how "the so called elite" might just have had it with the rest of us.


When you bite Justoneman, you do not let go. I would not want to be on your bad side.

I wouldn't want to be on my bad side either nor become a target of me. I am also sure as day is bright this bad habit of mine will likely result in my demise sooner than later.



Little side comment, with all my love and consideration Justoneman: cleaning up the physical also means letting go at the emotional level. Well, letting go at all levels. My 2 cents.

I was when I posted the OP into this issue at many levels of my being, including emotionally. I am a human being with an emotional side. I have done a pretty good job throughout most of this thread not allowing my emotions to lead me.

The bottom line is simple, I love David Wilcock (fact), David Wilcock is a public figure and folks listen to him. He has displayed far too unacceptable levels of hypocrisy and I am not going to let it go. I am also aware the high likelihood that along his way, folks who helped him climb his ladder have now been cast to the side. That (if true) and I trust my sources, is also completely unacceptable.

I am no longer biting... I am chewing. What happens next is I begin to swallow.

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Justoneman: This statement appears to reflect what I perceive to be a misunderstanding of my two points, only one of which addresses proprietary intentions - specifically, how does one own what I believe is our born right - access to our "higher self" which actually was a secondary point from my primary point.


Taken, I did not adress the higher self, I past aside it uniintentionally.

These, such as hypocrisy, having to be an enlightened being if you talk about enlightnment, etc. are your opinions/desires. Although it would be preferable, it is not outright necessary, in my opinion.

Apart from this, I find your post quite funny, mostly the biting to chewing to swallowing parts. You made me smile.

I am letting go.

Love

Flash

[Chester]

When threads are in their death throws... perhaps its best we end it with some levity, yes?

http://tv.yahoo.com/daytime/dint-nic-cage-vampire-photo-204603077.html

just in case someone missed this -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzsPhgN6FwQ

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