How do you mentally process the alleged abductions of humans by greys and others?

[Midnight]

I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

Do any of you see it as an ultimately benevolent program? Or do you see it as a something that the greys and others are doing for their benefit, but it's not malevolent in intent? Which is to say, they are using us for some purpose we don't understand, but their motivation is not to hurt us in some way.

Or, worst case scenario, is the abduction program an integral part of a slow, sophisticated invasion?

I'm far from sure what the answer is, but I feel pretty confident that they aren't motivated by benevolent intent.

[Midnight]

It's kind of like death. We don't want to think about it.

[Daughter of Time]

For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I havent been abducted but ive more than benefitted from being a contact.

You really need to know whom is abducting humans. I can bet you a few pineapples its not aliens, greys etc.

Firstly, why would a race thats a million years more advanced than us want to go to the trouble of abducting humans? To experiment? Like they have no idea how we work?

So let me get this straight, extremely advanced beings with intimate knowledge on biogenetic engineering want to abduct people for experiments?
Can someone tell me what for? Can we even guess as to what they possibly want to learn or do?


I think they have better things to do with their time.

Human scientists on the other hand. . . hmmm

N

[Midnight]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

[Hawkwind]

I haven't actively researched the subject, nor do I recall ever being the victim of such an abduction, but most of the incidents I've read about seemed somewhat akin to a farmer examining the health of his herd. Animal farmers can be viewed as beneficent influences, in that they try to maintain the heath of their animals. The ultimate goal of their care, however, is to maximize profits when the animals are brought to market.

[Snookie]

You might want to listen to Mel's latest interview with Jerry Wills on Veritas. Jerry talks about an interview he did with a professor in Bulgaria I believe. This professor said he had contact with ET's but then was threatened shortly afterwards. Jerry said this guy was very excited when he talked to him on the phone, but shortly afterwards whenever he tried calling any of the numbers the Prof gave him the all he got was music. When he went to interview him, it was obvious the Professor knew he was being listed to, and he denied having been contacted. As the interview progressed he realized the professor was talking about the contact, but you had to read between the lines.

Jerry said that he had also had contact with ET's who contacted him approximately every 10 years. They told him that he came from a different planet himself. Jerry is an intuitive healer. He and his wife go to various locations visiting ancient sites around the world looking for lost knowledge.

This is one of his sites: http://xpeditionstv.com/index-A.html

This is his other site: http://www.jerrywills.com

[Snookie]

Here is a link to a very lenghty and facinating interview that Anthony Sanchez conducted with "Colonel X" regarding Dulce. Apparently the military got a lot of technology from the Greys. I can't take credit for finding it, as someone posted it on another thread a few days ago. I haven't even finished reading it myself. It's very compelling.

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW

[DNA]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

Hi Midnight, I for the life of me want to answer your question in a short enough statement not to lose your's or anyone else's interest, but I just cannot do it, there is no way. And I'm laughing my ass off right now thinking of how proposterous it is that I can't align all of the crap I have read into one coherent message capable of imparting any substantial meaning.

I think first off I would recomend the disclosure statement as read by John Lear on the Art Bell show, it is short concise and to the point. But, I would also recomend just about all of the UFO CONTACT books by Wendelle Stevens. I would definitely recomend the Billy Meier contacts which shows a positive counter point to the negative grey situation as touched on by the Lear disclosure interview.
And for the record I would stay away from anything that has the title of channelled to it.
I think also it is important to understand the present state of sophisitication of our own government capable of full on UFO displays and abductions themselves, and some of this is gleaned from the Project Camelot interview with Gary Mckinnon and the interview with Mr. X.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SgXw2B8kmQ&feature=related

[Eram]

It's kind of a long read, but recently I stumbled on this channelling (sorry DNA :) )from Lyssa Royal. (http://www.galactic.no/Planet/zeta-revelation.html)

Channelings are often flaw and it's origins (the ones who actually communicate) are hard to track, but let's not forget that channeling (telepathic contact) is a valid way to communicate so we have to use discernment to weigh the information that is presented to us.

This read made sense to me and there could be truth in it.

First she speaks with Bashar (http://bashar.org/)whom many of you will know. Then she speaks with Harone, a representative for the Zeta Reticuly (Grey).
Harone explains about their origins, why their world and civilisation was failing, and why they now are involved with abducting humans. He states that no abduction is conducted without the consent of the soul of that person and that it is mostly the fear of the unknown that creates the impression of a malevolent experience. The Zeta Reticuly are a dying species and with their interaction with humans in this way, they are creating several different hybrids, so their genes and part of their culture may live on.
interestingly: When the Zeta's destroyed their environment and had to seek refuge in underground build caves and tunnels, they figured that it was their emotions that where the cause of their violent and dis harmonic behaviour, so they set out to alter their genetics in order to get rid of their emotions. Obviously they succeeded..... to the extend that they almost are without emotion.
Further more they started to clone themselves instead of using sex for reproduction.

An interesting read for sure!

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Bashar and Harone - Channeled By Lyssa Royal - October 27, 1990 - Los Angeles

Bashar: Allow me to say greetings! This evening's topic, as most of you are aware, has to do with Zeta Reticuli. They have been continuing their projects with you by your allowance. They have made some discoveries. They are learning, they are growing, and a portion of their consciousness wishes to share their discoveries with you.

This evening of your time there will be a representative who will speak to you directly as a representative of the Zeta Reticuli culture. There will be some assimilation required by this channel in order to assimilate the energy of this being. He will begin speaking as the energy begins assimilating. He will take questions from you and you together will co-create the evening.

Before we facilitate this blending, are there questions on the topic?

Question: I have heard that the Zeta Reticuli are suffering from Glaucoma--a deterioration in their eyes. I heard they were in need of marijuana in the purest form because the tried to synthesize a chemical, but it apparently did not agree with their DNA and RNA. Is that accurate?

Bashar: We do not perceive that idea to be accurate. Most notably with the group that will be speaking this evening. For they have not allowed themselves the connection with the idea called pain.

Question: As we understand Glaucoma, there is no pain. It is just deterioration.

Bashar: In that sense we perceive perhaps the source of the information may be labeling the Zetas when they mean another group. That is really all we will say now.

Question: You mentioned that the Zetas made some discoveries. I am curious to know what those discoveries are.

Bashar: In your statement/question, you have tapped into the aspect of their discovery. We know this is a riddle for you for now, but you will see. They will explain some of these discoveries. Hold on to your hats.

Question: How many different types of Zetas are there? I was under the impression there are dozens.

Bashar: It would be the idea of saying, "How many types of Americans are there?" However, you can lump them into perhaps three broad groups. Within these three types, there are tremendous variations. They are not a clear-cut species, as Americans are not a clear-cut group. We use that analogy directly.

The idea simply is that the three broad categories will represent, 1) Straight Zeta. This group will be the Zeta consciousness that exists within the outer perimeters of fourth density reality. Therefore their reality is just barely, barely physical, mostly plasmic in nature. They are deliberately keeping their vibration from transitioning into fifth density. Therefore they cannot interact directly with you except in altered states of consciousness. They cannot enter your physical reality.

Category number two is the idea of 2) Altered Zeta. These would be Straight Zeta consciousness altered either physically or in their consciousness to allow themselves to be able to interact with you on the physical plane, or in a type of quasi-physical reality...one moment...one moment...This is the broadest category.

Category number three would be 3) Hybrid. This spans many different offshoots. The idea that you call the negatively-oriented groups are not necessarily placed within these categories we have outlined, though they can be, for purposes of illustration. But in a sense, they [the negatives] have their own categories. Question?

Question: Is the Zeta speaking tonight named Harone? Will you be with him physically?

Bashar: Yes. Yes.

Question: Can you give us the location from where you will be speaking to us from?

Bashar: Down the hall in the closet to the left. [laughter]

Question: That's a dumb question. I realize you'll be on some ship somewhere.

Bashar: Yes.

Question: Where is this ship in respect to Earth?

Bashar: Within the atmosphere of your planet. A ship of approximately 30 individuals.

Question: What is your interest in being within physical proximity of Harone when he speaks to us?

Bashar: Balancing.

Question: Is it necessary, or is it just convenient to do that?

Bashar: It is not necessary. All the ideas are taken into account including the needs of the physical channel, including the needs and "desires" (so to speak) of the entity communicating. Also, whether or not I am in the neighborhood.

Question: So in other words, you guys chug back a couple beers and then you come to the channeling.

Bashar: Kind of like that, yes.

Question: Could you give a briefing on Harone for the group here so that when he speaks, everyone here will have an idea of who they are speaking to?

Bashar: One moment. The entity Harone can be considered Altered Zeta consciousness. He can enter both your nonphysical reality such as the dreamstate, and can at times interact with you on the physical level. He is a coordinator (if you wish to call it that) of genetic projects. Is that enough?

Question: I have a follow-up to that. When you say "Altered Zeta," do you mean that he is of a hybrid race? Or that he has been altered in his own physical body?

Bashar: He has been altered in his own physical body type.

Question: What would be the nature of that alteration?

Bashar: The nature of that alteration consists of the placing of the being within an environment that has a different vibratory frequency than the one that is his natural state. This will allow him an assimilation to the new vibration which is a down-stepping of vibration so that he may communicate with you.

Question: Is that uncomfortable for him to undergo that?

Bashar: He does not understand the idea of discomfort, but perhaps you would find it so, yes.

Question: If humanoids were to take up travel in outer space, how much change would have to happen to these bodies where they would work well in space?

Bashar: One of the primary changes will be the change in your connection to your time continuum which would allow your DNA structure to unlock from the template of planet Earth time continuum. This would then allow more freedom within the consciousness to allow for other type of travel and expansion that will occur once you leave your solar system.

Question: What type of time system would people on a space ship adopt?

Bashar: Subjective time, rather than objective time. Simply the idea that your time is gauged from subjective means, from internal means, rather than the idea of having an external influence that dictates your time. Time becomes experiential.

Question: Even though it is becoming more experiential to us now?

Bashar: Yes. It will become even more so.

Question: Would that mean that if you had some kind of a chronograph or wrist watch that it would keep different time for you than for someone else?

Bashar: In that sense, the chronograph will not work. The electromagnetic fields would allow it to not operate in the way it was designed.

Question: It is my understanding that the Zetas did a lot of collecting of data on addiction and codependency. Did Harone have anything to do with that?

Bashar: You may be able to dialogue with him, though at this time they may have some beginnings of understandings. But they are still processing data. You may engage him if you wish.

Question: How much would diet change for humanoids in outer space?

Bashar: Diet will change significantly depending upon your diet on the physical plane. You will find the ingestation of meat products will considerably drop because your need for ingestation of such substances is dependent upon planetary gravitational fields. You will find that you will begin learning to ingest plasmic energy from the environment itself--cosmic energy if you wish. You may also find that you will simply ingest liquid substances rather than bulk foods. Most of it has to do with leaving the gravitational field.

Question: The body works more efficiently once it leaves the gravitational field?

Bashar: We would not judge it qualitatively such as that. It will adapt to a different environment.

Question: Before we speak to Harone, could you address the group briefly and share about your heritage?

Bashar: The race that I represent, Essassani, has been considered to be a cross between you-- human--and Zeta Reticuli. Therefore in that sense we can consider ourselves to be your children...birthed from love.

Question: Can you tell us how that cross was achieved?

Bashar: Understand the idea that though we have our own ancient time line, our own ancient history, the time lines converge at the point at which the Zeta Reticuli concluded their experiments. In a sense, our past joined. It is a spiritual evolution in a sense. We thus have our own ancient history, but we also represent the joining of two races. We represent the idea of integration for what you consider to be the entire galactic family. But we are one manifestation of the Zeta experiments.

Question: Was there any physical or quasi-physical blending of our DNA with the Zetas' DNA to create your species?

Bashar: Yes. In the preliminary stages, yes.

Question: What is the purpose and mission of the Zeta contact?

Bashar: The main focus of their work is multifold. We would say the idea that we would wish to stress the most is the idea that they are teaching you about fear. They are allowing you to move through your deepest fears, allowing you in an archetypal way to bring up those fears for transformational clearing. They are in that sense representing to you the idea of unity as you represent to them the idea of individuality. You are in a sense two opposite ends of a pole, and you are integrating together to form one integrated consciousness. You are learning from each other. You are growing from each other. You are giving each other many gifts. Neither one of you are victims of the other. You are all cocreators in all that is going on.

We are speaking of species evolution on a very basic level all the way through to the spiritual level. Your race is allowing itself now to make an evolutionary leap. The Zeta Reticuli are allowing themselves to do the same. Together you will synchronize these leaps into a grand dance. You are, in that sense, mirror images of each other, each choosing to play out the opposite idea. You are discovering your opposites through each other.

Question: Was there a council or governing body who granted permission for the genetic experiments? Or was it a random choice?

Bashar: Understand the idea that within linear time many of you will understand that there will need to be some type of council in order to "pass a law." But in this case, all is understood on deeper levels. All is understood on mass conscious levels. When they seek you out they cannot interact with you unless you have given them permission. If any of you in this room have not given them permission, they cannot find you.

So if this is an interaction that is occurring in your life and you have not yet allowed yourself to embrace the idea in totality that it is something you have chosen--that it is something that is mutually beneficial to both of you--then the idea would be for you to explore your own joining with them, of your own choice, of your own willingness to be of service. The idea would thus be that you are either a victim or you are not. There is no middle ground.

They can only see you if you give them permission to interact. Your mass consciousness at this time has given them permission to seek out those with whom they have formed individual agreements. If you are having contact...you must have agreed. This can be a liberating idea, if you allow it to be, because once you allow yourself to understand that you have chosen this experience, you will thus place yourself on an equal level with them and the nature of the interactions you have with them will change. You will no longer be a victim. You will be an equal participant. The quality of your interactions with them will change significantly.

This is one of the reasons why they are interacting with you--in allowing you to understand that you are not a victim, but an equal participant. As each and every one of you allow yourself to heal this rift, you will kick it into the mass consciousness with a critical mass effect that will allow the entire mass consciousness to view this idea from a different perspective--from a different light. You will thus also assist the Zeta Reticuli mass consciousness to also view it from a different light, and thus evolutionary transformation will occur within both species. It is a partnership. Always. It always has been...is...and always will be.

Question: Do you see that we have the same type of agreement with other species other than the Zetas? A cooperative interaction with others toward our evolution?

Bashar: Absolutely. Yes. Your agreement with the Pleiadian races are also examples of evolutionary agreements. Every species that you are interacting with, you have allowed there to be an agreement so that you can mutually learn from each other. There are no accidents.

Question: When the Zetas perform their "temporary detainments" of one of us, during the period of time when the body or astral body (whichever part is being detained), is it possible for there to be an instantaneous type of healing of diseased organs? Does that occur?

Bashar: It has been known to occur.

Question: By their effort, or by natural ways?

Bashar: By the join agreements between the one detained and the one doing the detaining. It will always be on an individual level rather than an across-the-board idea.

Question: Would it be a conscious decision, or would it be more subconscious?

Bashar: Frequently it is the idea you call subconscious, because if there is a conscious decision, very often the belief systems and the fears will step in. As it is a subconscious decision, the healing can be allowed. But again, it is up to the individualized agreements.

Question: I have had a lot of conscious contact the last year or two. I just want to comment that I feel such a sense of brotherhood. It is a feeling of love. I get very emotional because when it happens, it is just such a wonderful feeling of coming together.

Bashar: We thank you for your willingness to allow yourself to move through the fear and allow yourself to be of service in the sense of transmitting the vibration of love rather than the vibration of fear. Your service is felt and it is appreciated. At this time we will stop and bring through the energy that is called Harone. He will speak to you at this time of some of the discoveries he has made [through the Zeta experiments]. We thank all of you, each an every one of you for the gifts that you have given to this group this evening. We will thank you. We will bid you, as always, happy dreams.

Harone: It is our understanding that the correct opening is, "Greetings to all of you." This is the consciousness Harone, and I am assimilating to the energy field of this channel. We will allow a change and an acceleration of transmission as it is necessary.

We will share with you what we consider to be a major discovery that we have made. In conversation with several of you through several channels and in interaction with you in dreamstate levels, we have thus come to the conclusion that we have been searching for emotion within ourselves. For much time we have been searching for emotion, for we bred and cloned emotion out of our species in the belief that it would accelerate our growth and provide us with superior development. We have since understood that this was not the case. Thus you on Earth represent a genetic combination that is the closest to our original species, and so the interactions that we have with you (especially those you call "abductions") on one level are our observations of you. This is in order to learn how to become emotional once again.

The experience that some of you have read about or have had of having probes inserted into your brains, we wish to tell you the purpose of that is not for controlling you. But these probes are organic in nature and will absorb neurochemicals from your brains. They are thus extracted and we analyze those neurochemicals. In the analysis what we expect to achieve is to be able to simulate your neurochemical secretions in the desire that perhaps if we can simulate these neurochemical secretions, we will thus be able to recapture the idea of emotion.

This is not in any way meant to harm you, to hurt you, to frighten you or to control you. This is something we do wish to stress. If you can begin to understand why these procedures are undertaken, perhaps you will allow yourself not to be so frightened of them. Perhaps you will allow yourself to transmute your fear into an active and conscious cooperation with us. This will be of service to us greatly. It will also be of service to you greatly.

In conversations that we have had with other species not of your planet, and in our analysis of data that we have received from you, it has become clear that we have discovered indeed the beginnings of emotional development--though crude as it may be. We have been misinterpreting some of our motivations to be purely mental. We are now understanding that some of our motivations are not mental at all, but are driven by emotion. Though we do not understand this emotion in its entirety or even in little pieces of it, we can say that we will allow ourselves to recognize it as the beginning of an emergence of an emotional body.

This recognition we have made is the recognition that the idea called "curiosity" is indeed an emotional expression on our part, and not a mental one. Our motivation as we have always said, is one of curiosity. But we have mislabeled it as mentality instead of emotionality.

We do not know if you understand the implications of this. For us, this is a milestone, in that we can understand that all of the work that we have done in observing you and in conversation and interaction with other species is an indication to us that it has been successful. Thus it fires our motivation. Thus it fires our curiosity to continue.

We wish at this time to formally thank you for your participation in this experiment, for your participation in the growth of both of our species. I speak as a representative of my people. As I speak to you and thank you as a group in this room, know that this gratitude is emerging into your mass consciousness and is felt by all others. I speak this as a representative. I speak this with all motivation. You are thanked by us.

Question: You mentioned that you had misinterpreted curiosity to be of your mentality, rather than it being emotionally based. Is that analogous to what happens to some people on this planet who are not in touch with their emotions? Do you learn from our experiences in doing that as well as from your biochemical experiments?

Harone: It is easier for us to process the data from our biochemical experiments because that type of empirical knowledge is something we can use directly. The data that we will get from observation of all of you is somewhat more difficult for us to process, though it is still used.

Question: Is this interaction tonight being facilitated by a computer of some sort?

Harone: Yes.

Question: Is there another area that we could be of service to you? Is there something else we can do to help another area of your exploration?

Harone: One of the focuses for us now in observing you has to do with your own sexuality. We do not know if there is one thing in specific that you could assist us with, because if we knew it, we would be closer to the answer. But understand (this may sound intrusive to many of you), but many of you are aware that some of my species will at times observe you while you are engaging in sexual behavior. This has been a source of shame to some of you. We wish you to know that it is not meant as an insult, and we in no way are consciously insulting you. Those of you that have these experiences have agreed to participate. We can thus find you because of your agreement. Because of your agreement, we will observe.

As for the amount of interaction we will have with you sexually, that will be up to the agreements between you as an individual and us as a group. Simply, we would request more than any other that though we understand that your fear is a vital part (as we are told) of your transformation, should you allow yourself to release the fear, should you allow yourself to transmute the fear, you will thus aid us in discovering more about ourselves. We do not know how this will come about, but we do know that we wish to ask you to work on this fear. You are not victims. You never have been.

Question: I had a visit from some Zetas last week who were probing my stomach. I became very upset because it hurt. What was going on?

Harone: What area of your stomach?

Question: Around my belly button.

Harone: That is a common place. I am not familiar with your particular case, but it sounds as if your...

Question: I have also ceased to have my menstrual cycle.

Harone: Yes. We are being told to be delicate in this matter. The clinical term would be an extraction of ovum. We would repeat, this is not meant to frighten you. You have agreed to this. You can transmute the fear when you are in the experience by placing a very solid blue light around your body, which will lighten or make your field less dense. This will allow us to work with you easier which will cause less discomfort.

As for the stopping of your cycle, I can say I do not understand human physiology enough to tell you why that is so. But it will have to do with a resistance of some sort to something in your life or your growth.

Question: Is my boyfriend part of this too?

Harone: We sense yes. Frequently it will be with pairs--one being the primary interest and the other a supportive interest. You are the primary one at this point.

Question: I would like to know if I have had this type of contact. I feel sometimes that the contact goes back a long time. Is this actual, or is it my imagination?

Harone: It is actual. Your imagination would not create such an experience. Imagination is not the myth it is believed to be. It is a realm of reality. It is a realm that you allow communication through that you do not allow in many other ways. This is a reality.

Question: What fear is it in us that needs to be released to allow the evolutionary process to continue?

Harone: The fear of what you will become if you follow through. The fear of losing yourself. The fear of evolution.

We are told that humans fear the unknown. Yet the unknown is what drives you to face your fears. In this particular case, there is nothing but evolution. Nothing we say can make you understand this. You will need to come to terms with this yourself. It is the unknown that you fear. But yet, it is the unknown that drives you on.

Question: Also in the experiences there is ecstasy and incredible insight. Also there is the horror of the sense of invasion.

Harone: Yes. We understand, at least mentally, what you are saying. In my species there is no such thing as the idea of invasion because we see ourselves as all one. We understand that you have boundaries--that you keep yourselves separate. We have also been made aware that there are many levels of consciousness that you have. You call some of them "conscious," "subconscious," and "unconscious." From where we communicate to you from, we cannot tell the difference between those layers. And so if the subconscious is speaking one thing and the conscious another thing, we will hear the loudest voice.

Coming to peace with the idea of invasion is knowing that you cannot be invaded because everything you see, everything you experience is part of the same one thing. It is all a reflection of the whole. Nothing is outside of you. It is all a part of you. It is yourself invading yourself. Coming to terms with this and changing the perception from invasion to communion will be profound indeed. For it is not an invasion of one to another, but a joining and a communing and an integration.

At this time we will allow the vehicle a break. There will be more in the second half. We thank you for your questions, and we are told by our facilitators that the emotion you call empathy is strong in this group. We thank you. We know that together we will make this species leap, as we hold hands and take the steps together. We will disconnect. [break]

Harone: To us, no time has passed.

Question: You mentioned before for the abductee to surround themselves in the blue light to make the experience less painful. Has this been suggested by your people when they are working with humans?

Harone: Yes it has. Sometimes the blue light is implemented by the person being visited after the suggestion is given and they assume we have done it. But they have.

Question: Can you explain why you among the Zetas were chosen to be channeled?

Harone: As a coordinator of my projects, I am always looking for ways to facilitate the projects in the smoothest way. Through detailed analysis it has come to my understanding that to seek you out in what you call your conscious state (which to you is your more dominant state), we could thus state our intentions and our desires for communication that would seep into the other layers of your consciousness. So through my research, it seemed logical to communicate with you on the direct level that you value most.

I thus had to speak to individuals within various organizations such as those you call "The Association" to find out the best way to facilitate this process. It was suggested to me that there are biological channels that could relay my messages to your conscious minds. Thus the Association sought out channels who have a direct connection to myself or my research group. The ones I speak to, you, have a connection to my group--either being visited in dreamstate or actually being worked with physically. This is why I speak to you, as opposed to another.

Question: This is a process that can occur without emotions? You don't need emotions to channel through? It seems empathy is necessary on both sides.

Harone: Emotions on my end are not necessary to channel, though I am working with physical facilitators on my end [Bashar and Sasha] and the three of us are linked into a computer device that will synthesize our thoughts. They provide a balance for my thoughts so that the biological vehicle can receive them. Thus they are translated.

Question: You said you have two facilitators. Who is the other beside Bashar?

Harone: Sasha. [A Pleiadian.]

Question: Do you then personally understand the different layers of our consciousness?

Harone: I do not understand the intricacies, but I now understand that they exist.

Question: Are our different layers of consciousness a valuable tool for your growth?

Harone: We do not know enough about it at this point to be able to evaluate their value. From our point of view, it seems more to be a disservice to you than a service. So, we have not examined it in its totality. It must serve you, otherwise you would not continually perpetuate it.

Question: As I speak to you, do you understand me on a fuller level than just my conscious thoughts?

Harone: Yes. However, part of the reason that I have chosen this type of communication is so I may communicate directly with your conscious minds. Right now, in this communication, your conscious minds speak loudest. The other portions are very dim--for this communication. If I need to access other portions of you in order to bring through an answer to one of your comments, my facilitators will assist me with it.

Question: It is our understanding that you do not understand emotions from an experiential standpoint. What is it like for you to be discussing our emotions with us when you do not have an experiential understanding of it?

Harone: I obtain much of my data through my interfacing with my facilitators. The conversation that is shared with you is recorded and I use it for later research. You are communicating with the Zeta consciousness called Harone. But it is tainted with communication or flavoring from the entities Sasha and Bashar.

Question: But the subjects we are discussing about emotion, aren't they an enigma to you?

Harone: Some are. Some are not. Some are not necessary to experience in order to understand.

Question: When you did away with emotions, was love part of that? Love is so intimately related with God, where did God fit in?

Harone: My past of my race was very similar to yours, but much more extreme. We had severe toxicity, radiation, and societal dysfunction even more than you have. This imminent collapse of our planetary society allowed us to begin developing a way that we could survive. We built under ground facilities to house our physical bodies and begin seeing emotion as the root of our problems. (We are not necessarily saying this is the right thing, but this is what we did.)

Through various things that happened, we were unable to bear children and had to survive through the means of cloning. Because we were becoming adept at cloning, we thus developed a means to clone out neurochemical responses in the brain to various stimuli. Instead of your many neurochemicals, we created one neurochemical that would output the same secretion to any given stimuli. This created nonvariance in our responses. This ultimately allowed us to develop away from an understanding of ourselves as emotional humans, and focused us in our mental bodies.

The concept of love, we perceive, is present with us. But it is expressed in a different way than you may think it to be expressed. We understand we are a whole. We are a joined unit. This unit loves itself unconditionally. We can love every portion of the unit.

I am being told by my facilitators that what we experienced is not necessarily love as we think it is. It is more akin to acceptance. I do not know if this is accurate, but this is what I am told. I am also told that we are beginning to have a relationship with the idea of love as we communicate with you. This is another idea for study, for it is not something I am aware of.

Question: What about God? Was God eradicated along with emotions?

Harone: God was focused in a different way. We became an aspect or an integrated version of God. But God became, in a sense, less expansive.

Question: It was with great surprise about a month ago that I suddenly realized I had participated in some of your genetic projects. I actually perceived I had produced a fetus that was taken by you. Could you discuss this process?

Harone: We will discuss the process of the creation of fetuses, though it is our understanding at this point that we shall not validate the truth on an individual level. This is because the discovery of the truth of this for each and every one of you (if applicable) is important for your growth.

Those of you females who have made agreements in this process, there are several things that may occur. You may simply provide genetic material such as ovum to us for further research. Some of the ovum are joined with sperm. Some are used for other cloning processes. Sometimes simply just skin scrapings can provide the DNA structure that we are looking for. Other females are impregnated with a sperm sample that has been altered by us to carry some of our genetics. The embryo is allowed to incubate no more than four months at the maximum and then is removed without any trauma to the physical body.

This is not a very wide spread situation that occurs. More often than not, you will be given detailed communication through the subconscious that this is taking place so that you will not question or become traumatized when the fetus is removed. We are being reminded once again by our facilitators to stress to you that this is a cocreated choice, and this is not a usage of you as a laboratory animal. It is an agreement on the part of both of us that you will assist us in creating a joyous blending of our two species for the purpose of our own evolutionary leaps.

Sometimes after these children are gestated (approximately 10-12 of your developmental months), you will be allowed to be brought to the incubation chamber and interact with these children for the purpose of giving them the love that they need which we are so far incapable of giving them. This is also for the purpose of us monitoring and researching your maternal responses. Though we cannot understand it, we know the definition of poignancy. All the demonstrations of emotion and affection are quite poignant between mother and child. It is understood to be a very joyous and profound experience. You are assisting to birth another race.

Question: When this suddenly dawned on me, I felt good about it. It is not that there was any fear or regret.

Harone: Thank you. There are others on your planet that may not feel that way. If you encounter them, we would encourage you to share your feelings.

Question: I was just surprised because I had always thought of this as being in relation to other people, not myself. If a woman is without a partner, then is there a situation that happens where a fetus is created?

Harone: It can come from a human donor. We call them donors, but those of you who are in fear may say it is "taken." But we have vast sperm banks. Some of the sperm may be taken from those areas.

Even if you have a partner in your life, the child may not be of his donated sperm. It may be, or it may not be.

Question: I remember seeing a six year-old child on a ship. She was with two people. She had scars on her face. I bent down to acknowledge her. It was very important for me to love this child. They said she had been sick. I said I didn't care, that I wanted to kiss her. I kissed all of the scars on her face. I felt a lot of love for her. Was she mine?

Harone: Your emotion will answer the question for you. Trust those emotions.

Question: I do trust them. If you can send your love to her, I would be grateful.

Harone: You will have an opportunity to see her again.

Question: What happens to these hybrid children as they grow up? On Earth, children who are not given love experience some very traumatic emotional difficulties. In an environment where your species is unable to give children love, what happens to them?

Harone: We have surrogate caretakers who are taken daily to the children in order to give them love. Understand the population of your planet is great. There are no shortage of loving females. Even some males provide love for these children.

Question: Are these surrogates humans who are taken in the physical state?

Harone: Yes. You asked what happens to them. Many of them do not reach maturity, which is why we are working so diligently to find the strain that will be the strain we concentrate on. Many of these do not continue and we are told to tell you that they live full lives while they exist. There is no regret. There is no sadness. But they enjoy their time that they can interact with you and receive your love and give you love in return.

Question: So you are saying they die before reaching adulthood?

Harone: Yes. There are several that are surviving but retain a weak state and those are either kept in specially created environments on a ship, or the desire for the future is to create a planetary environment in which they can populate. We are not at that stage yet.

Question: With our DNA as part of their genetics, they must be able to feel emotions to some degree. Therefore, are they happy in the environment you provide?

Harone: They radiate a calm, peace, and strong spirituality which we would consider to be happy or more content.

Question: When you say that you consider that to be happy, you are evaluating that from a standpoint of no experience. Would someone such as Bashar evaluate their emotional state as happy?

Harone: Yes. We have other species who work with us frequently, such as Pleiadians. They will evaluate it also the same.

Question: Do these children get the opportunity to bond with individuals?

Harone: Not one on one. That is not our way.

Question: Is that not useful?

Harone: It is our understanding, whether we are in error or not, that your one on one bonding with parental units are sometimes (more often than not) dysfunctional.

Question: You do sometimes have many of us come that are not in physical form to nurture the children. Is this true?

Harone: Yes.

Question: It is my understanding that the Zetas have been collecting a lot of data on codependency and addictions. Are you familiar with this?

Harone: I am familiar with some of the units that are providing information. I do not have it all in depth.

Question: Well, why all the curiosity in that area?

Harone: It is understood that when our society was dysfunctional, if we can understand dysfunction, we can understand how not to recreate it once we reestablish emotional connections. Before we were cloning, our society was highly dysfunctional and addictive. We seek to understand our past in order to move into the future.

Question: Do you have any idea what the percentages are now on our planet of people who suffer from dysfunction?

Harone: Are you sure you want to hear this? It is very high. It is within the ninetieth percentile.

Question: Are you saying that bonding in and of itself is a negative expression?

Harone: Not all bonding. It depends on the nature of the bonding.

Question: It was the positive kind of bonding that I was referring to that would be useful to the child in your environment.

Harone: My understanding, my consciousness, does not understand the idea of bonding one on one. Because, to us we are all one.

Question: I am suggesting it is possible because of our emotional nature, that without that kind of bonding, we would not have the will to survive to adulthood. That could be a possible reason why the children you have there do not grow to adulthood.

Harone: You have an idea on your planet called "kibbutz." This is not necessarily a one on one bonding, and yet the children are loved. We are certain that this is not a major role in their ceasing to function.

Question: In your research, have you explored the practice of mental/emotional profiling within the discipline of stressology?

Harone: Define.

Question: Reading a radiograph to determine conscious and subconscious emotional or mental extremes?

Harone: Some of this data has been taken, but as of yet it has not been processed. We have a wide abundance of data beyond what we can express that has still to be processed.

Question: I had an experience in '82. I remember everything except at one point my legs were being pried apart. At that point I don't remember what happened until they were ready to leave. Can you give me any information on what happened?

Harone: Simply the idea of examination that at the time your consciousness viewed to be intrusive. Thus you allowed a screen in the memory to be created so that the information would not be traumatic. Nothing harmful occurred. But at the state you were in during that time, you may have viewed it to be intrusive. That is all we can say now.

Question: I have noticed an acceleration in energy over that last few months. Where do you anticipate we will end up?

Harone: You will find that our understanding of you is not one of expectation, but we can say that the blueprint that you have outlined for yourself, the theme of this blueprint is the uncovering of that which has been submerged into the mass conscious subconscious. There will be an emergence rather than a submerging. This may be an experience that is joyful, or it may be an experience that is painful, depending upon your perceptions of these experiences and your own lives. But the theme as you pass through gateways will be the emergence of more of yourselves.

Question: We have an ego as part of being physical. A lot of our negative emotions come from our egos. Do other beings have egos?

Harone: Some of what we have learned in our studies is that those of you within third density will have more anchored ego structures. As you move into the fourth density reality, your ego structures begin meshing with other aspects of your consciousness. The ego becomes less dominant. So you will find that most third density species will have egos equally or more active than yours.

You will find generally civilizations existing within fourth density will not have such egos and the processing of negative emotions will occur in third rather than fourth.

Question: A lot of us experience our interactions with you as being quite frequent, and then all of a sudden there is no contact. Are the interactions really cyclical like that? What kinds of variables would account for this?

Harone: From our point of view, we never cease communication. Your perceived gaps in time are merely your way of orchestrating the timing. Do you understand what we mean?

Question: So it is according to one's own growth and development as to which of our time slots we will have that experience?

Harone: Exactly. Yes. In that sense, when you perceive gaps, the experiences that you are having on your quasi-physical or dreamstate level, to us it is a constant interaction.

Question: What was the planetary system of your origin, where your species deteriorated?

Harone: It is within the Lyran constellation around the star Vega.

Question: Do you still use this planet?

Harone: No, the planet is barren. We have moved to others, or we have chosen to live in space.

Question: I have a line of questioning I would like to pursue. It has to do with the quality of the detainments of children in the 1950s and 1960s. What effect has this had on them today? Is there a response on the part of the Zeta Reticuli in changing the quality or flavor of the detainments on the children of today?

Harone: We have not done anything differently in the quality of our detainments. The difference was the state of the mass consciousness. In the 1950s of your time you were still allowing yourselves to feel vulnerable. You were still allowing yourselves the possibility of being victims more thoroughly than you are now. The children that were alive then that allowed themselves to be temporarily detained were incarnate in order to play out that idea voluntarily. Through the decades, this is allowing you to come to terms with your own feelings of victimization and empowerment. You are, as you move through the decades, allowing yourself a major transformational shift. What would you like further?

Question: What we have noted in our observations is that there was a lot of psychological damage done to people being abducted--primarily due to the misunderstanding of the whole nature of the event. I can assume by your answer that the damage is not being done today as it was then?

Harone: Children that are detained today really fall in line with the idea of conscious volunteering. There is less detainment today, and much more volunteering. That reflects a species shift.

We will simply say again, thank you for allowing all of us to hold hands together, and to make the quantum leap. Our gratitude is extended to you. Good night.

Sasha: We would also like to take this opportunity to thank each and every one of you for being such a vital part in the communication that occurred this evening. It was truly a communion. It was truly a liberation. It is a moving experience for all involved. Do not underestimate the power of your interactions with them in helping to create change. Do not underestimate all that you can give them. Again we send you our gratitude and unconditional love. From myself, and Bashar, we say happy dream lives. Good night.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

[DNA]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

What evidence is there of an advanced being?
If all we are factoring into the equation are UFO's and medical table scenarios, how can we extrapolate advanced being out of that?

I would never assume anyone visiting here is more advanced than us, just because they are flying around in a vehicle a tad more sophisticated than we are used to.
A sophisticated vehicle doesn't mean anything.
Technological advancement has never equated spiritual or ethical advancement on this planet, and I see no reason to project this fantasy on to another race.

Did the first Native Americans assume benevolance of the first white men they saw because of the technological advancement displayed in a sailing vessel?
If so what did that get them?

What rational do you have for assuming benevolance?

[delfine]

At the moment I´m reading Judy Carroll´s book:" The Zeta message" where she describes her contact with the greys as predominantly positive. I like her vibe and find her genuine and very down to earth. No "airy-fairyness" at all. I´m reading it to get a more nuanced look at the abduction-question. I´ve previously leaned more to the general negative impression of the greys esp. after reading some of the books of Karla Turner. My own take on this subject is that there probably are both good and bad greys and in some instances the scenario gets complicated further by involvement from the military. Who knows for sure everything about this? Probably no one, but many have a piece of the puzzle, and I think it´s good to get as many views on this subject as possible. Nothing is either black or white but often...erhm well...grey.

[Daughter of Time]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

You ask a very good question Nanoo Nanoo, but you're asking with a human mind. We don't know the ET mind.

According to most humans, humans are more advanced than animals.

If humans are more advanced than animals, then why do humans hunt deer? Or any other animal for that matter?

Maybe humans provide some kind of "food" for ETs.

According to Truman Cash, and others, Greys are a dying race. They use human sperm, ova and DNA to help themselves replicate (reproduce).

And there may be reasons they abduct humans which may still be completely outside our human frame of reference and comprehension.

[donk]

I'm definitely seeing in my experoence evidence leaning toward a more direct effect from earth-based beings (where their level of sophistication came from originally is another story), but I was skeptical of the most bad is human perspective, I totally have been coming around.

I feel that there's the farmer heard et thing going on, which the bad guys can easily detect and peruse when the farmer is done (aka Milab experience)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

You ask a very good question Nanoo Nanoo, but you're asking with a human mind. We don't know the ET mind.

According to most humans, humans are more advanced than animals.

If humans are more advanced than animals, then why do humans hunt deer? Or any other animal for that matter.

Maybe humans provide some kind of "food" for ETs.

According to Truman Cash, and others, Greys are a dying race. They use human sperm, ova and DNA to help themselves replicate.

And there may be reason they abduct humans which may still be completely outside our human frame of reference and comprehension.

This is what im after. Someone to give some suggestions what purpose abductions could possibly be happening. i know they dont think like we do in fact they dont think, they work more on instinct.

Lets not get offended because someone is challenging a baseless accusation. First we must establsh motive. Regardless of any species at any level of advancement if we are to point the finger then we should at least tryto understand or establish a motive.

And quoting other writers is sort of boring, sorry no offence but id like you people who are pointing the finger to come up with some original thought instead of hiding behind the thoughts of another.

DNA : imo a race that can bend space time to travel vast distance is advanced. Possibly so much so that they have regressed emotions.

I am posing the question because i generally have a hard time believing motives based on heresay, id like to hear something plausable and id like some help in establishing one i can believe. My interactions have always been positive. The only negative things done to me are from our own race.

Lets get one thing straight, Greys are a " type " of genetically engineered worker bee, they are based on a true grey or a purple or a red or a black, they come in so many types and from so many factions with so many agendas its way too easy to just lump them all in the bad bin. This is the type of thinking that leads to wars. Baseless finger pointing which is what us Humans are so good at and if say is mostly the cause of our demise.

Please, lets not get offended. Lets think critically and establish something by coopertating.

Thank you

N

[donk]

And to the original post, sorry I strayed t is such am excellent question. I came from the route of weird stuff going on to the diiscovery of information that sounded eerily similar after, much like a convert would feel when the answers are provided by prostelatization (or whatever the word is for "spreading the 'good news'")

I did not want to believe and continue to search for plausible information and explanations that are more mundane, however the mundane answers don't add up, and the "esoteric" and other worldly stuff resonates.

Though that seems to me to be like the way most look at more "primitive" cultures and their beliefs. Give things we don't understand magic or alien explanations, and don't see irony of others' "silly" beliefs. Higher technology (aka better understanding of reality and how to manipulate it) is indistinguishable from magic, don't forget

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

What evidence is there of an advanced being?
If all we are factoring into the equation are UFO's and medical table scenarios, how can we extrapolate advanced being out of that?

I would never assume anyone visiting here is more advanced than us, just because they are flying around in a vehicle a tad more sophisticated than we are used to.
A sophisticated vehicle doesn't mean anything.
Technological advancement has never equated spiritual or ethical advancement on this planet, and I see no reason to project this fantasy on to another race.

Did the first Native Americans assume benevolance of the first white men they saw because of the technological advancement displayed in a sailing vessel?
If so what did that get them?

What rational do you have for assuming benevolance?

There is no suggestion of benevolence in my words. Just a question. Why?

[Daughter of Time]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

You ask a very good question Nanoo Nanoo, but you're asking with a human mind. We don't know the ET mind.

According to most humans, humans are more advanced than animals.

If humans are more advanced than animals, then why do humans hunt deer? Or any other animal for that matter.

Maybe humans provide some kind of "food" for ETs.

According to Truman Cash, and others, Greys are a dying race. They use human sperm, ova and DNA to help themselves replicate.

And there may be reason they abduct humans which may still be completely outside our human frame of reference and comprehension.

This is what im after. Someone to give some suggestions what purpose abductions could possibly be happening. i know they dont think like we do in fact they dont think, they work more on instinct.

Lets not get offended because someone is challenging a baseless accusation. First we must establsh motive. Regardless of any species at any level of advancement if we are to point the finger then we should at least tryto understand or establish a motive.

And quoting other writers is sort of boring, sorry no offence but id like you people who are pointing the finger to come up with some original thought instead of hiding behind the thoughts of another.

DNA : imo a race that can bend space time to travel vast distance is advanced. Possibly so much so that they have regressed emotions.

I am posing the question because i generally have a hard time believing motives based on heresay, id like to hear something plausable and id like some help in establishing one i can believe. My interactions have always been positive. The only negative things done to me are from our own race.

Lets get one thing straight, Greys are a " type " of genetically engineered worker bee, they are based on a true grey or a purple or a red or a black, they come in so many types and from so many factions with so many agendas its way too easy to just lump them all in the bad bin. This is the type of thinking that leads to wars. Baseless finger pointing which is what us Humans are so good at and if say is mostly the cause of our demise.

Please, lets not get offended. Lets think critically and establish something by coopertating.

Thank you

N

No offence taken! We are simply having a discussion with different perspectives and opinions. That's what discussions are about.

If I quoted Truman Cash it's because he has had extensive experiences with Greys and has come to an understanding that many have not.

Sorry if i have bored you by quoting someone I find knowledgeable. Again, different perspectives. I'm not bored when people quote others they respect. Whether I agree with them or not, is not the issue.

We're here to exchange thoughts, ideas, experiences, and of course, to ask questions.

I am not disbelieving that your experiences with ET contacts have been good. But if you would be so kind, perhaps you will share have you have benefitted so that I and other readers may learn from it as well. The more opinions, the more possibility of putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

We all want answers, after all.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I would give some credence to Bashar. He, even for a channeler, makes good sence. He is a very intelligent man.

As Waky states, yes its channeled info. No i wouldnt base mylife on it but he presents sound ideas as to whats behind the agendas indeed i can concur first hand experiencing things he has stated.

We are in agreement, no interaction is against our soul contractual agreements, imo. In my interaction from when i was very young i have been taught science, understanding our origins, having poignant questions answered about healing. You see they came to me at a time when i needed help. And ive turned that help into a lifes work. So i find it hard to swallow these baseless hidden agendas to take over.


To be honest if they did take over it would be a huge improvement. I mean look at the state we have created of this beautiful planet. And we are all to blame, not the greys. US :-)

N

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Hey daughter of time, i have a few threads dedicated to this, ill dig them out for you. :-)

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

[Strat]

I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

Okay, here goes.

I will openly admit that I am skeptical about the abduction scenario, as well as the very existence to 'alien' existence. The proper use of wording is important here so let's clear up a few things first:

skeptic:
1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.

doubt:
1. To be undecided or skeptical

So when I say I'm skeptical I'm not at all, in any way, saying these theories are wrong or that witnesses are lying or misleading. The only thing I'm saying is I just don't know.

I have a rigid perception of the world. To say that you believe something suggests you KNOW something is correct. Here's the thing, I don't go 'all in' with anything. My mind assigns percentages as to healthy ideas. For instance; I assign a 99.9% chance that the sun will rise tomorrow. I have seen it rise and fall every day of my life. There is a very high probability that it will continue to do so and I have no reason to think otherwise.

I assume there's an 75% chance I will fix my car's brakes on the time I assigned myself. Unfortunatly there's that 25% chance I'll kink a brake line and have to take time out of the weekend.

I'd say there's about a 80% chance my current garden will work out. So far I've had great luck with gardening, but this time I sowed by seed and I screwed up the furrows. So we'll just have to see how it all works out.


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You see what I'm getting at? I don't believe anything. Nothing is set in stone. "Laws of Physics" should be a fail-safe joke for comedians. What, are you going to put nature in jail? I get it; what goes up must come down. Good job, I never would've figured that out. Oh and that doesn't work on the microscopic level, so it gets re-written.

Even with material that isn't controversial, one has to be skeptical. I believe that the most healthy attitude one could have is to admit that you will go to the grave with questions that can not be answered. As soon as you convince yourself you know everything, you start to rely on that and (I believe) that's physically dangerous.

I think this belief structure is somewhat unorthodox and perhaps unpopular on this forum. Therefore I'd like to address why I will not believe any individual witness. Take this example:

A guy named Dave is having a friendly, albeit passionate debate with a gal named Kim. Dave says abduction experiences are real and indeed scary, but it's only scary because of the bizarre nature of abductions. The greys convey that they are benevolent and are trying to help us stop our wars and clean up that goddamn garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean.

Kim's experiences are also with the greys, but she claims they are a malevolent force. They physically hurt her with experiments, she even has scars to prove it.

So who am I to believe?

The answer goes back to how I explained my 'belief' structure; I assign a percentage. So I don't believe either person, but I dissect the stories. One says they're good, the other bad. But wait, they both reported the same creature down to a T, as well as the emotion. Now I have something to work with.

I feel this is the best way to approach the kind of material we work with. It's certainly better than the polar opposite of believing everybody. The material contradicts itself constantly, that's even on the FAQ of the Project Camelot website.


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While that example may be dumbed-down it never changes, no matter how complex the story gets. Individual testimony has little value, but the testimony of many individuals is a gold mine. Like I said, maybe this is an unpopular belief system but those who don't like it, don't like it for egotistical reasons.

...I just realized I'm rambling and didn't even address your question


I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

I never address these questions because I'm far from qualified. But here we go:

My guess is this program is designed to bring the human race up to par with the rest of the universe. This may not even be out of total benevolence, it may just be something that needs to happen. This planet is a resource (not to mention one of the most beautiful things I'm aware of). The resource is being depleted, we don't give we take. And we keep taking.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

Hi Midnight, I for the life of me want to answer your question in a short enough statement not to lose your's or anyone else's interest, but I just cannot do it, there is no way. And I'm laughing my ass off right now thinking of how proposterous it is that I can't align all of the crap I have read into one coherent message capable of imparting any substantial meaning.

I think first off I would recomend the disclosure statement as read by John Lear on the Art Bell show, it is short concise and to the point. But, I would also recomend just about all of the UFO CONTACT books by Wendelle Stevens. I would definitely recomend the Billy Meier contacts which shows a positive counter point to the negative grey situation as touched on by the Lear disclosure interview.
And for the record I would stay away from anything that has the title of channelled to it.
I think also it is important to understand the present state of sophisitication of our own government capable of full on UFO displays and abductions themselves, and some of this is gleaned from the Project Camelot interview with Gary Mckinnon and the interview with Mr. X.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SgXw2B8kmQ&feature=related

DNA is there a version of this video with the original content? They have a fake alien interview over the top of poignant visuals.

N

[Spellbound]

Anyone thinking alien abductions are positive should check out some of Butch Witkowski interviews regarding human mutilation. These humans were alive when being dissected and ripped apart by ET's. Also, what about the children who are abducted and eaten by aliens (yes, used as a food source). I'd also recommend the Karla Turner interviews/videos (may she rest in peace).

Let's put it this way. If I was in a pickup truck in the mountains following a UFO.....I doubt I'd get out of the truck and stand directly below the object expecting a positive outcome.

Dave - Toronto

[eaglespirit]

For me personally...when I nullified past/future contracts of past/future lives in the present I knew somehow that I had to now live as deliberately a pure life as I could possibly procure...for making the choice to break any and all chains attached to my being that I felt in my heart were a restraint and constraint or just flat wrong came with a responsibility to live in the here and now with the highest personal moral agenda in my day to day life, period.
I am very careful about what I share...'who the heck does he think he is' comes up and out in alot of people still today and still here at Avalon.
Don't ask me how I know what I am sharing...I just simply 'know' it happened to me and is my truth in the context of reason for experiencing this current life on earth.
Many of my personal 'knowings' come from dreams/vision/downloads of an intense spiritual nature in deliverance
My oldest daughter is 32 years old and the mother of 3. She is a year older than my son that passed to the other side in 2003. My son's spirit was with me on an indian(Nipmuc) hill in 2007 for 2 days. My daughter and son are more advanced souls/spirits than I in an aspect of higher learning that I had yet to achieve and was a primary purpose my being here on earth now. They came here to help me (one of the reasons).
It was shown to me that my daughter is helping a race of beings similar to the gist of many posts in this thread..She is showing the ways and means of nurturing motherhood and unconditional maternal love that this particular race needs to learn and can only acquire through my daughter's physical realization and sharing of it in an earthbound life.
These beings are more advanced but lack the emotional loving rhythm that is prevalent in earnest motherhood here. They(this particular race) had attempted other ways but this way is the most direct and best for them to 'get it' and is in agreement with those that carry the highest ethics here on earth. Yes, they are extremely advanced but at the same time lacking the love that can only be gotten and experienced here on Mother Earth in 3d.
How do I know? Don't ask me...but I just know.

[Spiral]

Some interesting points on this thread, & some big omissions too.

Firstly, "the greys", it seems clear now that this word is used for numerous races that vary in colour from off-white, through grey & into the brown spectrum, they also vary in height considerably too, so does the number of fingers they have.

Then there are the "PLFs" (programmable life forms) used in MILABs.

It would seem that there are numerous "factions" at play, all with their own agenda (s)

There is also the claim that one bunch of greys are actually us from the future, badly degenerated & in need of fresh blood.

Then there is the claim that they abduct "ordinary" people, what proof is there of that ? Maybe they can detect something in certain bloodlines that is special to what they are doing / want, abductions often follow down the generations within families.

Then there are the "others" such as the "Nordics" with whom many people report positive experiences.....

The core question here for me in;
How do you mentally process the alleged abductions of humans by greys and others? is the "mentally process" part, for me there is no alleged, or rather I am pre-occupied with my own experiences, and I sift what others report for anything that might give me more insight whilst neither believing or discounting what they have to say.

But as a positive, beside the cognative dissonance & auto immune problems that most abductees have to live with (myself included) something happens as a result of contact, your wiring changes, paranormal & psychic stuff happens so often it becomes normal, life expands out beyond 3D.

This expansion of possibility & broadening of reality is often sidelined as "spiritual" (not here obviously, but it is out there) but it is now being scientifically studied, albeit on the fringes, by the likes of Rupert Sheldrake, with his "morphic field theory" & Courtney Brown of the Far Sight Institute, neither of whom can be debunked once you read the evidence.

It is exactly this broadening of consciousness that is the key to mankinds graduation from kindergarten to the Cosmic stage.

[Daughter of Time]

For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

First of all, I'm certain that there are benevolent ETs as well as malevolent ones. By the sounds of it, you have been blessed by being in contact with the benevolent kind. Unfortunately, most abductees I know of, including myself, have not had pleasant experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, there are too many and too lengthy for me to go into here. I have posted many of them on the Horus-Ra thread.

[Ki's]

Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

[DNA]

Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

You ask a very good question Nanoo Nanoo, but you're asking with a human mind. We don't know the ET mind.

According to most humans, humans are more advanced than animals.

If humans are more advanced than animals, then why do humans hunt deer? Or any other animal for that matter.

Maybe humans provide some kind of "food" for ETs.

According to Truman Cash, and others, Greys are a dying race. They use human sperm, ova and DNA to help themselves replicate.

And there may be reason they abduct humans which may still be completely outside our human frame of reference and comprehension.

This is what im after. Someone to give some suggestions what purpose abductions could possibly be happening. i know they dont think like we do in fact they dont think, they work more on instinct.

Lets not get offended because someone is challenging a baseless accusation. First we must establsh motive. Regardless of any species at any level of advancement if we are to point the finger then we should at least tryto understand or establish a motive.

And quoting other writers is sort of boring, sorry no offence but id like you people who are pointing the finger to come up with some original thought instead of hiding behind the thoughts of another.

DNA : imo a race that can bend space time to travel vast distance is advanced. Possibly so much so that they have regressed emotions.

I am posing the question because i generally have a hard time believing motives based on heresay, id like to hear something plausable and id like some help in establishing one i can believe. My interactions have always been positive. The only negative things done to me are from our own race.

Lets get one thing straight, Greys are a " type " of genetically engineered worker bee, they are based on a true grey or a purple or a red or a black, they come in so many types and from so many factions with so many agendas its way too easy to just lump them all in the bad bin. This is the type of thinking that leads to wars. Baseless finger pointing which is what us Humans are so good at and if say is mostly the cause of our demise.

Please, lets not get offended. Lets think critically and establish something by coopertating.

Thank you

N

I respect and always look forward to your take Nannoo. I respect and appreciate any and all first hand experiential data folks have to offer. But the question defies a simple explanation in my opinion. The situation is bigger than any one person's individual story. I think folks who have a personal contact story sometimes have a hard time being objective after their personal experience. I think the first important discovery of all this to stick with me is that there seems to be a plethora of races visiting. So no one size fites all answer can be objectively applied.

[Hervé]

[...]

Firstly, why would a race thats a million years more advanced than us want to go to the trouble of abducting humans? To experiment? Like they have no idea how we work?

So let me get this straight, extremely advanced beings with intimate knowledge on biogenetic engineering want to abduct people for experiments?

Can someone tell me what for? Can we even guess as to what they possibly want to learn or do?


I think they have better things to do with their time.

Human scientists on the other hand. . . hmmm

N


[...]

... why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

For the same reasons that the "clever & smart" people keep playing tricks and pranks on "l'idiot du village" who keeps falling for these same tricks and pranks over and over, again and again, never being able to seem to learn the "way" of the "smart" people (reminds me of one of David Icke's intro to one of his conference: "You laughed... so, what does that make you?).

Conversely, these same "smart" people never seem to understand the way of "l'idiot du village" who keeps insisting on being trustful and gullible and so end up chopping him/her into pieces to try to find out what's the matter with him/her ("scientists," whatever their galaxy of origin).

So much for "smart" or "gullible"... it always ends up in wars for ideas, whether religious or philosophical, at this planet scale or at the multi-galactic scale.

[Daughter of Time]

As synchronicity would have it, I have, today, received a PM with Dr. Malanga's latest video. The sender did not publicly post the video because it's in Italian and most of the members of this community do not understand the language. I watched the video this very afternoon.

Dr. Malanga has spent most of his life researching ET abductions. He has hypnotized and regressed over 2,000 abductees.

In this nearly two hour video, Dr. Malanga says many things, but to put it in the smallest of nutshells, he says that of course there are benevolent ETs, but benevolent ETs do not abduct! Those who abduct, do it for their own benefit and there's nothing benevolent about them. They're users. The abductors are highly intelligent and possess very advanced technology, but they do not have a soul. The human soul is the main reason behind the abductions, to study it, and to capture it, as they feed off the richness of the soul.

[DNA]

As synchronicity would have it, I have, today, received a PM with Dr. Malanga's latest video. The sender did not publicly post the video because it's in Italian and most of the members of this community do not understand the language. I watched the video this very afternoon.

Dr. Malanga has spent most of his life researching ET abductions. He has hypnotized and regressed over 2,000 abductees.

In this nearly two hour video, Dr. Malanga says many things, but to put it in the smallest of nutshells, he says that of course there are benevolent ETs, but benevolent ETs do not abduct! Those who abduct, do it for their own benefit and there's nothing benevolent about them. They're users. The abductors are highly intelligent and possess very advanced technology, but they do not have a soul. The human soul is the main reason behind the abductions, to study it, and to capture it, as they feed off the richness of the soul.
I've always thought it was the chi that is intimately associated with the soul. Just like the body produces blood to circulate and feed the extremities so too does the soul produce chi to feed the energy body . It makes sense in a matrix copper top battery sort of way.

[Sidney]

Don't forget that the ETs shared their technology with our "authorities". LOTS of it. I have a hunch that TPTB have there hands in the cookie jar as far as the abduction thing goes.
Regardless of who is doing it, everyone handles it their own way I think. Its a long term healing process, I can tell you that. There are other stories in the abductees group in the groups section.

[Midnight]

That was my super polite I'm-a-Canadian post. And now here is my more honest opinion on the greys. But I have to say pretty much none of it is empirical or scientific in nature, and it is based on my reading of numerous first person accounts, and my application of logical appraisals and some intuition.

Yes, there are quite possibly positive ets present. I'm really hoping this is true. Some accounts of these types of beings may or might not be true, but there are often question marks attached to these accounts. I don't mean to say that benevolent ets don't exist, because in my opinion there is no way that's true.

The accounts of negative interactions dominate, big time. Rude, shocking abductions. And sometimes painful, something the greys could avoid with their technological level. But they often don't. Could they be using pain to force us to grow. My answer is no.

Check out chem-trails if you want to look at a possible program of the greys and bosses. It's not a pretty picture. Worst case scenario? Maybe. Maybe not.

But worth our attention.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

First of all, I'm certain that there are benevolent ETs as well as malevolent ones. By the sounds of it, you have been blessed by being in contact with the benevolent kind. Unfortunately, most abductees I know of, including myself, have not had pleasant experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, there are too many and too lengthy for me to go into here. I have posted many of them on the Horus-Ra thread.



I will have a look. Thank you for sharing as well. I truly wish to understand true reasons and bonafide accusations. This will help me understand the other side of the coin.

Thank you

N

[Daughter of Time]

Midnight,

I hear you!

i also try to be a polite Canadian and never lose patience with others who disagree with my experiences because their expeiences are as valid as mine. Perhaps they have experienced benevolent ETs - lucky them! But truth be told, I do not trust any ETs at this point because the ones I've had experiences with have been extremely damaging. However, I respect what others have to say.

And I do believe there are benevolent ETs. There have to be! How can this universe not have benevolence. It has! But, as Malanga says, which doesn't take a genius to agree with, benevolent ETs do not abduct!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

Do you have any first hand experience or is this conjecture?

N

[Midnight]

The idea that we made a deal with them smells to me. Bullcrap in my opinion.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Anyone thinking alien abductions are positive should check out some of Butch Witkowski interviews regarding human mutilation. These humans were alive when being dissected and ripped apart by ET's. Also, what about the children who are abducted and eaten by aliens (yes, used as a food source). I'd also recommend the Karla Turner interviews/videos (may she rest in peace).

Let's put it this way. If I was in a pickup truck in the mountains following a UFO.....I doubt I'd get out of the truck and stand directly below the object expecting a positive outcome.

Dave - Toronto

What evidense does Butch have pinning the ET race? Did he get ship markings? Or anything bonafide as evidense you could bring to a court to prove guilt? Im not being sarcastic, id like to know how he qualifies the accusation.
Thanks

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

That was my super polite I'm-a-Canadian post. And now here is my more honest opinion on the greys. But I have to say pretty much none of it is empirical or scientific in nature, and it is based on my reading of numerous first person accounts, and my application of logical appraisals and some intuition.

Yes, there are quite possibly positive ets present. I'm really hoping this is true. Some accounts of these types of beings may or might not be true, but there are often question marks attached to these accounts. I don't mean to say that benevolent ets don't exist, because in my opinion there is no way that's true.

The accounts of negative interactions dominate, big time. Rude, shocking abductions. And sometimes painful, something the greys could avoid with their technological level. But they often don't. Could they be using pain to force us to grow. My answer is no.

Check out chem-trails if you want to look at a possible program of the greys and bosses. It's not a pretty picture. Worst case scenario? Maybe. Maybe not.

But worth our attention.


I respedt what you say. I have encountered many beings and interdimentional factions, groups, peole, scientists etc. I do this almost of a daily basis nd have for a long time. Lets pick out a number of species interacting with this planet, say 18. of this 18 : 6 would be benevolent, 9 indifferent and 3 malevalent. Thats kinda the ratio we are dealing with give or take a few and thats just et's. You have all sorts of stuff going on out there thats mind boggling.

Its not that i dont believe abductions dont happen, of course they do. But who is actually behind them is what im interested in. Not heresay, think if you had to walk into a court room in very " high " court what would i present thats bonafide? This is what im interested in. I hope you understand. Im just not interested in heresay.

Thank you

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Don't forget that the ETs shared their technology with our "authorities". LOTS of it. I have a hunch that TPTB have there hands in the cookie jar as far as the abduction thing goes.
Regardless of who is doing it, everyone handles it their own way I think. Its a long term healing process, I can tell you that. There are other stories in the abductees group in the groups section.

Our glorious ptb sold us it for tchnology. If you want to point the finger theres a place to start. This agreement ended up putting us into a mighty bad cookie jar regarding technology being in the wrong hands being used for the wrong purposes.

Ultimately you must have a solid fondation of who YOU are as this is whats going to sve you when the time comes :-) forget who is doing what to who.

Your faith in your soul. Thats where its at. Experience first, answers later

N

[Ki's]

Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

Do you have any first hand experience or is this conjecture?

N

I am a multi-generational abductee. My Mother, myself, my children and now they are currently working their way through my Grandchildren. I've said this often...Abduction (kidnapping) is a crime. If they were on the up and up, they'd knock on the damn front door and introduce themselves.

[Alien Ramone]

Abductions might partly be about getting genetic material for a hybrid program, which might eventually involve hybrids replacing some if not all humans on Earth if there is some kind of disaster, which wipes out most of the human population. Some of the abductions of human children are supposedly to use them to help socialize the hybrids.

The small Greys are supposedly cyborg drones that do a lot of the work for the tall Greys including abductions. The Greys (small and tall) themselves possibly aren't compatible with the environment, so hybrids which are subserviant to the tall Greys might need to do tasks on Earth for them.

I don't think that I've heard any explanation of what Hybrids or alien groups would be doing, if they did eventually inhabit Earth completely. Also many of the abductees believe there is some duty they will be called on to perform at some point, such as telling people to remain calm and directing them in a direction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hc37Zf1oyU

Link to the video above on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hc37Zf1oyU

[lizfrench]

If nothing else convinces you that abductions are real this person convinced me: http://www.kenbakeman.com/reptilian_index.html

[Midnight]

Yes, there are a lot of accounts by abducted people telling about being presented with scenarios that involve a post-catastrophic Earth. These people are being shown their roles interacting with "normal non-abductees" after something hits the fan. These ETs are quite capable of telling untruths, as has been reported where they tell about the future, and what they said would happen, didn`t They are not morally motivated. They do what they believe is necessary to achieve their goals.

Some human, military types are sometimes involved, but they aren't running the show. Who is at the very top of the hierarchy of ET power is less than certain, in my opinion. But I`m pretty sure it`s not any version of the greys, short or tall. Could there be relatively benevolent versions of the greys or the reptilians or the nordics or the praying mantis. Almost anything is possible.

Are we a more sophisticated version of the indigenous South American people in the days before Cortes appeared. I hope not. Probably not going to happen, but within the realm of the possible.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

Okay, here goes.

I will openly admit that I am skeptical about the abduction scenario, as well as the very existence to 'alien' existence. The proper use of wording is important here so let's clear up a few things first:

skeptic:
1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.

doubt:
1. To be undecided or skeptical

So when I say I'm skeptical I'm not at all, in any way, saying these theories are wrong or that witnesses are lying or misleading. The only thing I'm saying is I just don't know.

I have a rigid perception of the world. To say that you believe something suggests you KNOW something is correct. Here's the thing, I don't go 'all in' with anything. My mind assigns percentages as to healthy ideas. For instance; I assign a 99.9% chance that the sun will rise tomorrow. I have seen it rise and fall every day of my life. There is a very high probability that it will continue to do so and I have no reason to think otherwise.

I assume there's an 75% chance I will fix my car's brakes on the time I assigned myself. Unfortunatly there's that 25% chance I'll kink a brake line and have to take time out of the weekend.

I'd say there's about a 80% chance my current garden will work out. So far I've had great luck with gardening, but this time I sowed by seed and I screwed up the furrows. So we'll just have to see how it all works out.


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You see what I'm getting at? I don't believe anything. Nothing is set in stone. "Laws of Physics" should be a fail-safe joke for comedians. What, are you going to put nature in jail? I get it; what goes up must come down. Good job, I never would've figured that out. Oh and that doesn't work on the microscopic level, so it gets re-written.

Even with material that isn't controversial, one has to be skeptical. I believe that the most healthy attitude one could have is to admit that you will go to the grave with questions that can not be answered. As soon as you convince yourself you know everything, you start to rely on that and (I believe) that's physically dangerous.

I think this belief structure is somewhat unorthodox and perhaps unpopular on this forum. Therefore I'd like to address why I will not believe any individual witness. Take this example:

A guy named Dave is having a friendly, albeit passionate debate with a gal named Kim. Dave says abduction experiences are real and indeed scary, but it's only scary because of the bizarre nature of abductions. The greys convey that they are benevolent and are trying to help us stop our wars and clean up that goddamn garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean.

Kim's experiences are also with the greys, but she claims they are a malevolent force. They physically hurt her with experiments, she even has scars to prove it.

So who am I to believe?

The answer goes back to how I explained my 'belief' structure; I assign a percentage. So I don't believe either person, but I dissect the stories. One says they're good, the other bad. But wait, they both reported the same creature down to a T, as well as the emotion. Now I have something to work with.

I feel this is the best way to approach the kind of material we work with. It's certainly better than the polar opposite of believing everybody. The material contradicts itself constantly, that's even on the FAQ of the Project Camelot website.


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While that example may be dumbed-down it never changes, no matter how complex the story gets. Individual testimony has little value, but the testimony of many individuals is a gold mine. Like I said, maybe this is an unpopular belief system but those who don't like it, don't like it for egotistical reasons.

...I just realized I'm rambling and didn't even address your question


I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

I never address these questions because I'm far from qualified. But here we go:

My guess is this program is designed to bring the human race up to par with the rest of the universe. This may not even be out of total benevolence, it may just be something that needs to happen. This planet is a resource (not to mention one of the most beautiful things I'm aware of). The resource is being depleted, we don't give we take. And we keep taking.

I think you are a humble realist Strat, at least that is what i can make out of your perception of the reality you choose to live in, in case my opinion matters on this at all, i say you are doing OK, and i share your view on these matters, that is besides the alien existance thingie, i think the universe is so massive and stars and planets are so abundant that it would be utterly arrogant to believe we are the only sentient but sort of odd creatures that float around in space.

Nice post you did there man, keep it up.

regards

Ed

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

Do you have any first hand experience or is this conjecture?

N

I am a multi-generational abductee. My Mother, myself, my children and now they are currently working their way through my Grandchildren. I've said this often...Abduction (kidnapping) is a crime. If they were on the up and up, they'd knock on the damn front door and introduce themselves.

You must be from a very important lineage for this to be happening to all of your family. Tell me, have the abductions been bad in end results? Ie being hurt or gone missing? Forgive me if i dont know your history. I know i come across as a pro et, but im more interested in actual experienced scenarios than congectural opinions. Not directing this to you.

Thank you

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Abductions might partly be about getting genetic material for a hybrid program, which might eventually involve hybrids replacing some if not all humans on Earth if there is some kind of disaster, which wipes out most of the human population. Some of the abductions of human children are supposedly to use them to help socialize the hybrids.

The small Greys are supposedly cyborg drones that do a lot of the work for the tall Greys including abductions. The Greys (small and tall) themselves possibly aren't compatible with the environment, so hybrids which are subserviant to the tall Greys might need to do tasks on Earth for them.

I don't think that I've heard any explanation of what Hybrids or alien groups would be doing, if they did eventually inhabit Earth completely. Also many of the abductees believe there is some duty they will be called on to perform at some point, such as telling people to remain calm and directing them in a direction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hc37Zf1oyU

Link to the video above on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hc37Zf1oyU



You are correct. It occoured to the first wave of contactors that our race is being governed into a very bleak future. Our current demise or time line effects a lot of civilisations other than just us. Our living planet is a generator and transmitter of accumulated energies. Currently it is emitting a distress frequency which is imbalancing other races and planets. Seeing that we are too asleep or apathetic to do something to change it, they have stepped in.

Like a baby pooping its pants we sit there inour own poop waiting for a parent to clean us up. Harsh words perhaps, but accurate for the general populace.

Obviously the alternative groups are a lot more aware, however still quite fear based.

A poignant realisation would be to understand that genetic manipulation has been happening for tens of thousands of years and will probably continue on in doing so. We are a unique culture and a beautiful one. Our friends are trying to help us stay that way in most cases. True there are cases that have no benefit to our evolution. This is the sad part of corruption and its the corruption that exists on this planet that has attracted corrupt factions to it. Likewise the corrupt factions have attracted benevolent factions to come to our aid.

Please try to check your fear and anger ( generally speaking ) malevolent forces are attracted to these emotive responces.

N
N

[Ki's]

For some reason, that comment about my 'lineage' offends me.
Have you ever grown a garden? There comes a moment when you have to thin the row and your selection is based on which plant is in the right place at the right time.
That's how I view my families 'selection'. I refuse to be manipulated into a false belief of being different or special. My understanding is that 1 in every 4 people have been abducted....they just don't remember it.

I have had the same 'handler' since I was 2 1/2 yrs old. A tall grey, male. I believe he was middle aged (whatever middle aged relates to for their species) His face had some degree of muscle drooping and there were some wrinkles. I have seen some with more youthful looking skin and some with a more aged look.

When I was in my 40's, I was taken and led to a large darkened room. The only light was shining down on a raised circular platform approximately 6 ft. in diameter. I was nude and with 'my' grey. I was instructed to stand on the platform. I was aware that there were others in the room, standing in a semi-circle around the platform but hidden from my view, in the darkness. I could only see 'my' grey. I was told (telepathically) that this was a test and that I was to levitate above the platform.
My grey encouraged me. "you know how to do this," he said, "do it now."
I knew that I knew how to do this, but I could not 'remember' how. I struggled with it for several minutes. It was similar to trying to capture a word that was at the back of your mind that you couldn't quite bring to memory.
Finally, I shook my head and stepped off the platform I was devastated that I had failed.
I was returned to my home.
I struggled with the guilt of my failure for month's. During this time there were no abductions and no contact.
There came a point, after that, where I had an insight and it was one of those sparkling clear moments of truth. I suddenly knew that I had not been being tested for my abilities...I was being tested to determine if my 'tether' was still working.
In actuality, I had passed.
Shortly thereafter I was abducted and tagged and rarely allowed to sleep. The sleep I did get was poor and I was sick for a very long time. I eventually managed to dislodge an implant that was in my sinuses and began to get well.
It was shortly after this that I began to work on Tall Ships and came to the realization that I was not bothered when aboard a ship.
I have some idea's as to why this might be, but for sure? No idea.

Six month's ago, my 10 year old granddaughter sat on my couch and said, "Gramma, the thing I don't understand is how come no one ever notices when I'm not in my bed at night."

She belongs to a secret support group of three other little girls at her school. All abductee's...one of whom is routinely abducted by a reptilian and lives in constant terror. They spend their free time searching the library and internet for a way to stop it.

I don't know why anyone would think this is ok.

[DNA]

Hi Ki. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I just want to comment on your statement that while you were on board a large ocean going ship your visitations desisted. It seems that although these beings are able to dematerialize people and objects in order to pass through walls and such. From what you are stating maybe there is a point of diminishing returns in terms of material density and or distance. Maybe the energy expenditure in this regard makes the situation no longer economical to pursue. Thanks again

[donk]

That's how I view my families 'selection'. I refuse to be manipulated into a false belief of being different or special. My understanding is that 1 in every 4 people have been abducted....they just don't remember it.

I don't think it's a false belief that you are different and special...I think 4 out of 4 people are different and special and that fact is wonderful.

You do have unique experiences and are more sharing most about them, that's different and special to me. I prefer that to "same" & "normal".

Anyway I would like to thank for sharing as well. Was wondering what you think is not ok and why?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

For some reason, that comment about my 'lineage' offends me.
Have you ever grown a garden? There comes a moment when you have to thin the row and your selection is based on which plant is in the right place at the right time.
That's how I view my families 'selection'. I refuse to be manipulated into a false belief of being different or special. My understanding is that 1 in every 4 people have been abducted....they just don't remember it.

I have had the same 'handler' since I was 2 1/2 yrs old. A tall grey, male. I believe he was middle aged (whatever middle aged relates to for their species) His face had some degree of muscle drooping and there were some wrinkles. I have seen some with more youthful looking skin and some with a more aged look.

When I was in my 40's, I was taken and led to a large darkened room. The only light was shining down on a raised circular platform approximately 6 ft. in diameter. I was nude and with 'my' grey. I was instructed to stand on the platform. I was aware that there were others in the room, standing in a semi-circle around the platform but hidden from my view, in the darkness. I could only see 'my' grey. I was told (telepathically) that this was a test and that I was to levitate above the platform.
My grey encouraged me. "you know how to do this," he said, "do it now."
I knew that I knew how to do this, but I could not 'remember' how. I struggled with it for several minutes. It was similar to trying to capture a word that was at the back of your mind that you couldn't quite bring to memory.
Finally, I shook my head and stepped off the platform I was devastated that I had failed.
I was returned to my home.
I struggled with the guilt of my failure for month's. During this time there were no abductions and no contact.
There came a point, after that, where I had an insight and it was one of those sparkling clear moments of truth. I suddenly knew that I had not been being tested for my abilities...I was being tested to determine if my 'tether' was still working.
In actuality, I had passed.
Shortly thereafter I was abducted and tagged and rarely allowed to sleep. The sleep I did get was poor and I was sick for a very long time. I eventually managed to dislodge an implant that was in my sinuses and began to get well.
It was shortly after this that I began to work on Tall Ships and came to the realization that I was not bothered when aboard a ship.
I have some idea's as to why this might be, but for sure? No idea.

Six month's ago, my 10 year old granddaughter sat on my couch and said, "Gramma, the thing I don't understand is how come no one ever notices when I'm not in my bed at night."

She belongs to a secret support group of three other little girls at her school. All abductee's...one of whom is routinely abducted by a reptilian and lives in constant terror. They spend their free time searching the library and internet for a way to stop it.

I don't know why anyone would think this is ok.

I dont know who would think this is ok either. I can tell you now without any doubt that probably 90% of abduction, tagging and experimentation is being enlisted by our own government. Its hard to concieve but they want us all tagged with or without our concent. I have been tagged at least 5 times. Each time ive had it cut out.

Maybe i havebeen abducted but i can assure you its not from aliens. Tagging is for our level of technology, to keep tabs on us.

I apologise for offending you regarding my use of the wird, linneage. I think what i was trying to say was perhaps someone in your history has attracted this attention and they want to keep an eye on you. They as in our government. Aliens may be " employed " to do the tagging imo.

Anyway i dont want to give the impression im ok with this stuff thats going on. I just would prefer to speak to true experiencers as opposed to speculators if you get my drift.

Do you have any information as to what faction of grey your handler is from?

N