US 'planned to blow up moon' (i.e. detonate an A-bomb in the cold war)

[KiwiElf]

US 'planned to blow up moon'
STAFF REPORTER, The West Australian November 26, 2012, 2:25 pm

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/15481803/us-planned-to-blow-up-moon/

The United States planned to blow up the moon with a nuclear bomb to win Cold War bragging rights over the-then Soviet Union, scientists claim.

A report in London's Daily Mail this morning says that at the height of the 1950s space race, the US considered detonating an atom bomb on the moon as a display of America's Cold War muscle.

The secret project, A Study of Lunar Research Flights, and nicknamed Project A119, was never carried out.

The Daily Mail article says the mission's planning included calculations by astronomer Carl Sagan, then a young graduate student, of the behavior of dust and gas generated by the blast.

In 2000 physicist Leonard Reiffel said that viewing the nuclear flash from earth might have intimidated the Soviet Union and boosted US confidence after the launch of Sputnik.

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Reiffel, now 85, directed the inquiry at the former Armour Research Foundation, now part of the Illinois Institute of Technology. He later served as a deputy director at NASA.

Sagan, who later became renowned for popularizing science on television, died in 1996.

According to the Daily Mail, the author of one of Sagan's biographies suggested that he may have committed a security breach in 1959 after revealing the classified project in an academic fellowship application. Reiffel concurred.

Under the scenario, a missile carrying a small nuclear device was to be launched from an undisclosed location and travel 238,000 miles to the moon, where it would be detonated upon impact.

The planners decided it would have to be an atom bomb because a hydrogen bomb would have been too heavy for the missile, the Daily Mail article says.

Military officials apparently abandoned the idea because of the danger to people on Earth in case the mission failed.

The scientists also registered concerns about contaminating the moon with radioactive material, Reiffel said.

The US Air Force refuses to comment on the claims.

Maybe there's some truth to the alternative theory of what happened to Apollo 13... KiwiElf ;)

[Spellbound]

Bob Dean mentioned in an interview last year (or the year before) that the US planned on detonating a bomb on the moon back in the early 70's (for various reasons...one of which to see if it was hollow or not). However, TPTB/ET put a stop to that and has never allowed the US back to the moon since then (I guess they were banned).

Dave - Toronto

[T Smith]

Bob Dean mentioned in an interview last year (or the year before) that the US planned on detonating a bomb on the moon back in the early 70's (for various reasons...one of which to see if it was hollow or not). However, TPTB/ET put a stop to that and has never allowed the US back to the moon since then (I guess they were banned).

Dave - Toronto

Attempting to detonate an atomic bomb on (or in) the moon would be analogous to attempting to detonate a suitcase bomb in the White House. Neither case will ever happen... unless of course they themselves initiate it for whatever the reason.

[truth4me]

Bob Dean mentioned in an interview last year (or the year before) that the US planned on detonating a bomb on the moon back in the early 70's (for various reasons...one of which to see if it was hollow or not). However, TPTB/ET put a stop to that and has never allowed the US back to the moon since then (I guess they were banned).

Dave - Torontothis could be one reason why.....somebody or something don't want American government/military up there for some reason.....

Another thing, America/military always wants to blow something up you know and to me it just gets old. Now could you imagine what the people of the world would think if they seen the moon blow up and find out it was America that done it? Plus the arrogance of the people behind that scheme if it was really true......I tell you we got some serious looney toons running things behind the curtains in America. Seriously meshed up cartoon characters ......

[deridan]

nobody now can make a decision about the moon, not one,....if it were taken, i'd chose to come back as an evil spirit to whatever was attempted in civilization after that
--jokes, who would know if that could be true--

[gooty64]

I thought the "moon matrix" was the big problem.
So wouldn't it be good to blow to the moon to smithereens since, the reptilians employ the moon to confuse humans?
I say go for it. Blow the ****ing moon all to hell!:boom:

[kaon]

I don't believe the intent was ever to blow up the moon. It would take more then one nuclear warhead to accomplish that. Was it foolhardy nonetheless? I think so. I am also not sure if the explanation that we were taking samples of the dust and dirt looking for traces of water flies either, but I am at a loss as to why we would spend millions on such an experiment.

Earth would be taken off axis. Wouldn't that cause catastrophes such as flooding and severe weather changes? I also believe the rotation of Earth would also be affected. I believe that I read once that a 24 day would turn into a 6 hour day. How about the impact on wildlife, especially the oceans. I would assume that water temperatures would also change.

I would be interested in knowing the real intent behind this.

[Prodigal Son]

What, blowing up the moon is more intimidating than blowing up two Japanese cities right here on Terra Firma?

[rgray222]

A very intriguing article that was published in New Dawn Magazine a while back!

In Who Built the Moon?, Knight and Butler raise some fascinating and challenging questions, foremost: Could it be that the Moon is artificial? Could it even be hollow? And does the Moon really exist through some happy accident, or is a blueprint apparent – and if so, who was the architect? New Dawn recently spoke with Christopher Knight about his controversial book and his astonishing conclusions.


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– New Dawn
NEW DAWN: All of mankind’s visits to the Moon have not answered some of the most basic questions about its origin and importance. Your new book Who Built the Moon? (co-authored with Alan Butler) brings to light some extraordinary facts about the Moon, and comes to a mind-blowing conclusion about its origin. Could you briefly outline some of these little known and ignored facts?

CHRISTOPHER KNIGHT: The Moon sits very close to the Earth yet it is widely regarded as the strangest object in the known universe. It is a bit like knowing that every person in the world is completely normal except the person you live next door to, who has three heads and lives on a diet of broken razor blades.
The book lists the strangeness of the Moon, which includes the fact that it does not have a solid core like every other planetary object. It is either hollow or has a very low-density interior. Bizarrely, its concentration of mass are located at a series of points just under its surface – which caused havoc with early lunar spacecraft. The material the Moon is made from came from the outer surface of the Earth and left a shallow hole that filled with water and we now call the Pacific. This rock left the Earth to produce the Moon very quickly after our planet had formed around 4,6 billion years ago.

The Moon is not only extremely odd in its construction; it also behaves in a way that is nothing less than miraculous. It is exactly four hundred times smaller than the Sun but four hundred times closer to the Earth so that both the Sun and the Moon appear to be precisely the same size in the sky – which gives us the phenomenon we call a total eclipse. Whilst we take this for granted it has been called the biggest coincidence in the universe.
Furthermore, the Moon mirrors the movement of the Sun in the sky by rising and setting at the same point on the horizon as the Sun does at opposite solstices. For example, this means the Moon rises at midwinter at the same place the Sun does at midsummer. There is no logical reason why the Moon mimics the Sun in this way and it is only meaningful to a human standing on the Earth

ND: What led you to write Who Built the Moon? And does this latest book relate to your earlier research when writing Civilization One and Uriel’s Machine?
CK: All of the six books I have had published over the last ten years are part of a continued single piece of research. I came to write Who Built the Moon?with Alan Butler after we had finished Civilization One, because our research led us to study the Moon very closely.
We had found that the superbly advanced measuring system in use over 5,000 years ago was based on the mass, dimensions and movements of the Earth.
However, for thoroughness we checked every planet and moon in the solar system to see if there was any pattern. Amazingly, it worked perfectly for every aspect of the Moon but did not apply at all to any other known body – except the Sun.
It was as though we had found a blueprint where the Moon had been ‘manufactured’ using very specific units taken from Earth’s relationship with the Sun. The more we looked, everything fitted – and fitted perfectly in every conceivable way.


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ND: Most astoundingly, you found that an ancient system of geometry and measurement used in the Stone Age works perfectly on the Moon. What exactly is this system and how could the ancients have attained this knowledge?
CK: It is not possible to describe the greatness of this ancient system of geometry and measurement without repeating the content of Civilization One.
The work of Alexander Thom, a brilliant professor of engineering from Oxford University, was our starting point. He identified the existence of what he called the Megalithic Yard. This was a precise unit of measurement that was the basis of late Stone Age structures across Western Europe – such as Stonehenge. Most archaeologists have written his work off as a mistake but when one looks coldly at their objections they are baseless.
Alan and I were able to show how they made these highly precise linear units based on the rotation of the Earth and how they were also the basis of all time, capacity and weight units in use today. Once again these are exact – not approximations or close fits.
Where the ancients got such knowledge is quite baffling. All we can be certain of is that they were way ahead of us today! It’s easy to check out by anyone with a calculator.

ND: Your conclusion is there are more than enough anomalies about the Moon to suggest it is not a naturally occurring body and was quite possibly engineered to sustain life on Earth. How did you reach this conclusion?
CK: Not only is the Moon an apparently impossible object, it has some unique benefits for us humans. It has been nothing less than an incubator for life. If the Moon was not exactly the size, mass and distance that it has been at each stage of the Earth’s evolution – there would be no intelligent life here. Scientists are agreed that we owe everything to the Moon.
It acts as a stabiliser that holds our planet at just the right angle to produce the seasons and keep water liquid across most of the planet. Without our Moon the Earth would be as dead and solid as Venus.

ND: If the Moon is an artificial construct, what are your theories on who or what built it, and why?
CK: In Who Built the Moon? we explain that we could not come to any other conclusion than the Moon is artificial. Because it is certain that it is 4.6 billion years old that raises some interesting points. Another factor was the obvious message that has been built into the Moon to tell us it’s artificial. The language of the message is base ten arithmetic so it looks as though it is directed to a ten digit species that is living on Earth right now – which seems to mean humans.
The question of why the Moon had to be built is easy to answer: To produce all life, especially humans.

As to who did it – well that’s a lot tougher! We give the three possibilities we can think of, namely: God, aliens or humans. The only one of these that is 100% scientifically possible is the last one. Time travel is universally accepted as being physically possible and a number of scientists are close to sending matter back in time. We can envisage that machines could be built in the future that could be sent back to remove matter from the young Earth to construct the Moon – probably using mini black hole technology.

[Kiforall]

Bob Dean mentioned in an interview last year (or the year before) that the US planned on detonating a bomb on the moon back in the early 70's (for various reasons...one of which to see if it was hollow or not). However, TPTB/ET put a stop to that and has never allowed the US back to the moon since then (I guess they were banned).

Dave - Torontothis could be one reason why.....somebody or something don't want American government/military up there for some reason.....

Another thing, America/military always wants to blow something up you know and to me it just gets old. Now could you imagine what the people of the world would think if they seen the moon blow up and find out it was America that done it? Plus the arrogance of the people behind that scheme if it was really true......I tell you we got some serious looney toons running things behind the curtains in America. Seriously meshed up cartoon characters ......

They would have blamed ET terrorists, then gone to war with someone, 10yrs later we'd have conspiracy theories, books on the subject, assassinations and resignations, much like now.

Could still happen if they want us to believe ET' s are the enemy.

Zoe x

[PixieDust]

From my personal life I find this thread interesting because Saturday evening one of my three year olds told me the moon is going bye bye. I asked her where it was going but she wouldn't say anymore she just waved to it.

I know this isn't a contributation to the conversation happening but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Peace!
Pixie

[Kimberley]

Now this is a very interesting thread because last night when I was looking at the moon a thought came to me that I have never had before...I said to the moon if you really do have a negative influence I hope you are taken away.

I have heard a lot about the moon being a constructed craft and such. Anyway thought I would add that to this thread for what it is worth since it happend last night and I never said that to the moon before...

Much love to us all! :grouphug:

[Wind]

I can't wait for the day when Moon is removed.

[mind-scape]

Yes, let's just continue to destroy everything.


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.... -super nova sized face palm- :doh:

[gooty64]

Super mega poke:boink:

Yes, let's just continue to destroy everything.


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.... -super nova sized face palm- :doh:

[eni-al]

They don't literally mean destroy the moon, you'd need more than one small warhead, have a big impact on Earth if it were to suddenly just cease to exist. Blowing it up would also lead to debris impacting Earth.

[Kiforall]

From my personal life I find this thread interesting because Saturday evening one of my three year olds told me the moon is going bye bye. I asked her where it was going but she wouldn't say anymore she just waved to it.

I know this isn't a contributation to the conversation happening but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Peace!
Pixie

That's a bit mad, my son told me we used to have two moons and soon we would have none.

He said the Earth would have a similar gravity to the moon and we wouldn't need it anymore.

Your post reminded me he'd told me this a few months back when he blew my mind with alsorts of information.
I'd forgot until now.

Oh well, bye bye moon.

Zoe x

[T Smith]

Now this is a very interesting thread because last night when I was looking at the moon a thought came to me that I have never had before...I said to the moon if you really do have a negative influence I hope you are taken away.

I have heard a lot about the moon being a constructed craft and such. Anyway thought I would add that to this thread for what it is worth since it happend last night and I never said that to the moon before...

Much love to us all! :grouphug:

I found the Jay Wiedner interview below interesting; especially the parts where he discusses the ubiquitous moon symbolism in connection with the power elite throughout Stanley Kubrick's movies. No matter from what angle I study this, all roads seem to come back to David Icke's thesis that the moon is indeed an artificial craft whose purpose is to enslave, or at the very least, to control humanity. This notion runs immensely counter to intuition (until one begins to really contemplate the idea outside one’s programming), but once you do just that and strip down all preconceived programming, it is very hard to reconcile the moon as natural satellite, which seems almost more absurd. At the end of the day, the moon is indeed most likely a Dyson sphere tethered to Earth in orbit for some specific purpose not completely known to us inhabitants, likely a craft to stabilize the planet for life and/or control or domesticate the grid of consciousness as David Icke suggests. I'm not sure if Icke and others are completely accurate in their analysis of the what/how/and why, but one thing is sure, they are definitely on to something.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTMCAQ7Ud4c

[DeDukshyn]

I thought the "moon matrix" was the big problem.
So wouldn't it be good to blow to the moon to smithereens since, the reptilians employ the moon to confuse humans?
I say go for it. Blow the ****ing moon all to hell!:boom:

As a child I mysteriously knew a lot of things, many long since forgotten, and somethings I am rediscovering or have rediscovered in the last 15 years or so.

One thing that I recall is my thought that we need to destroy the moon. I was very serious about it, and fantasized a lot about how we could get the job done with various methods, blowing it up was the first thought I had, but I had to abandon that as I ran several simulations in my head and determined the damage to earth would be too great. I concluded that pushing it away out of earth's gravity was the only way to make it work. The "Why" aspect never even occurred to me, it was already decided.

The fascinating part is that I actually spent a fair bit of time thinking about stuff like this ... not a normal kid was I .. ;)

[gooty64]

I thought the "moon matrix" was the big problem.
So wouldn't it be good to blow to the moon to smithereens since, the reptilians employ the moon to confuse humans?
I say go for it. Blow the ****ing moon all to hell!:boom:

As a child I mysteriously knew a lot of things, many long since forgotten, and somethings I am rediscovering or have rediscovered in the last 15 years or so.

One thing that I recall is my thought that we need to destroy the moon. I was very serious about it, and fantasized a lot about how we could get the job done with various methods, blowing it up was the first thought I had, but I had to abandon that as I ran several simulations in my head and determined the damage to earth would be too great. I concluded that pushing it away out of earth's gravity was the only way to make it work. The "Why" aspect never even occurred to me, it was already decided.

The fascinating part is that I actually spent a fair bit of time thinking about stuff like this ... not a normal kid was I .. ;)

I agree with you Dedukshyn.
Like credo Mutwa said, the Moon was "rolled across the sky" back when and put in its current place.
Well let's roll it back across the across the sky to where it came from and wave bye-bye to the moon at last.
Yes, blowing the moon up like the way they blew up the tall buildings on 9/11 might cause a ruckus here on earth.

[DeDukshyn]

From my personal life I find this thread interesting because Saturday evening one of my three year olds told me the moon is going bye bye. I asked her where it was going but she wouldn't say anymore she just waved to it.

I know this isn't a contributation to the conversation happening but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Peace!
Pixie

That's a bit mad, my son told me we used to have two moons and soon we would have none.

He said the Earth would have a similar gravity to the moon and we wouldn't need it anymore.

Your post reminded me he'd told me this a few months back when he blew my mind with alsorts of information.
I'd forgot until now.

Oh well, bye bye moon.

Zoe x

If the gravity on earth was lessened somehow -- even by a tiny amount, the moon would begin to move away until it eventually leaves orbit and sails off ... Is this possible? I believe so ... ;)

[Kiforall]

That's a bit mad, my son told me we used to have two moons and soon we would have none.

He said the Earth would have a similar gravity to the moon and we wouldn't need it anymore.

Your post reminded me he'd told me this a few months back when he blew my mind with alsorts of information.
I'd forgot until now.

Oh well, bye bye moon.

Zoe x

If the gravity on earth was lessened somehow -- even by a tiny amount, the moon would begin to move away until it eventually leaves orbit and sails off ... Is this possible? I believe so ... ;)

In some earlier posts I mentioned how my son believed that the Earth was smaller and had less gravity ( remember he's only 9yr so a basic understanding although knows more about it than me lol)

He said we lived as beings held up by spirit, he described us as jelly people.

This was as he described dinosaur days. So far back.

He has told me the earth will be shrunk again by the energy charging up inside the planet and the size and gravity will change, as you say the moon would then drift away. He say's it won't be destroyed, we just don't need it.

Once again, Bye bye moon the tides of change are upon us. Just thought all the women's cycles will be out, now that will be hell on Earth.lol

Zoe x

[DeDukshyn]

If the gravity on earth was lessened somehow -- even by a tiny amount, the moon would begin to move away until it eventually leaves orbit and sails off ... Is this possible? I believe so ... ;)

In some earlier posts I mentioned how my son believed that the Earth was smaller and had less gravity ( remember he's only 9yr so a basic understanding although knows more about it than me lol)

He said we lived as beings held up by spirit, he described us as jelly people.

This was as he described dinosaur days. So far back.

He has told me the earth will be shrunk again by the energy charging up inside the planet and the size and gravity will change, as you say the moon would then drift away. He say's it won't be destroyed, we just don't need it.

Once again, Bye bye moon the tides of change are upon us. Just thought all the women's cycles will be out, now that will be hell on Earth.lol

Zoe x

Women will ovulate only when the earth needs more offspring (therefore LESS PMS! Yay! ;)), our collective consciousness will awaken, and our collective subconscious will get into the back seat, our individual consciousnesses will do the same (holographic remember). We'll be in a whole new chapter of life methinks ;)

Of course this is getting strayed a bit off topic ... but good stuff to discuss ;)

ADDITION: Your son sounds like a young me ... ;) I spent much time on considerations like those ;) I think he is lucky to have you as a mother. I had no such luxury, although my mother is an awesome woman in her own right. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

I can't wait for the day when Moon is removed.

I have to say that the effect of the moon on me (I am very sensitive to it) is not what lore would have you believe. I find little feminine energy in the moon but rather masculine energy. I know the moon somehow influences human ovulation, and thus it seems to be a "feminine" energy.

Whenever a full moon approaches, I get all "werewolf-like" -- well not really, but I do get a little more aggressive, horny, logical, etc -- masculine traits, whenever a full moon approaches, and my feminine, emotional side comes out more, directly after -- when the moon is waning. I may be unique but just thought I'd share that ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I suppose if the Moon started doing that crazy "point of no return" kind of approaching, and scientists truly thought it was gonna be a problem for tidal/weather stability or even quakes/orbit changes, they might try to "tip" the moon back into its original configuration.

(edit: I have never googled "moon quake" before and I wonder if it's possible since the moon is relatively unprotected by atmosphere or strong gravity, that approaching celestial bodies and impacts might actually have a far greater effect on the moon, which in turn greatly affects life on earth). Moon tips might even account for extinctions down here, have they asked that question on high??

Who knows, though -- fluctuations in gravity and distance might perform some function those freaks at NASA don't understand, like maybe keeping the dynamo going or something?

I mean, doesn't every top need a spin, regardless of its potential energy? LOL

Anyhow -- I don't like the idea of dirtying up the moon either! It's like throwing dirty underwear in the desert!
What's the point!?!?!?



Hey check this out if you would!

A moonquake is the lunar equivalent of an earthquake (i.e., a quake on the Moon). They were first discovered by the Apollo astronauts. Moonquakes are much weaker than the largest earthquakes, though they can last for up to an hour, due to the lack of water to dampen seismic vibrations.[2]

Information about moonquakes comes from seismometers placed on the Moon by Apollo astronauts from 1969 through 1972. The instruments placed by the Apollo 12, 14, 15 and 16 functioned perfectly until they were switched off in 1977.

According to NASA, there are at least four different kinds of moonquakes:

Deep moonquakes (~700 km below the surface, probably tidal in origin)
Meteorite impact vibrations
Thermal moonquakes (the frigid lunar crust expands when sunlight returns after the two week lunar night)
Shallow moonquakes (20 or 30 kilometers below the surface)
The first three kinds of moonquakes mentioned above tend to be mild; however, shallow moonquakes can register up to 5.5 on the Richter scale. Between 1972 and 1977, twenty-eight shallow moonquakes were observed. On Earth, quakes of magnitude 4.5 and above can cause damage to buildings and other rigid structures.

:confused:

No water on moon means an impact rings the moon like a bell vs. the earth rings like a cow patty. got me?

P.S. WHY were the moon quake meter thingies turned off in 1977?
can anyone tell me when the Eastlund patent (haarp) was realized?

:tongue1:

DING DING DONG and NASA rings down the curtain on mankind! gasp

[KiwiElf]

Unlike the movie, it was initially announced that Apollo 13 was damaged by micro-meteorite strikes. One of the conspiracy theories about Apollo 13 occurred shortly after its return to Earth in 1970. Allegations claim that it was carrying a nuclear device to test on the Moon and was prevented from doing so by "UFO", which carefully fired a "particle beam weapon" disabling essential life support systems and forcing a mission abort, but a safe return.

Loosely ties in to post #2.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

according to Yahoo new today,
the "missing" Apollo 11 mission moon rocks (i dunno if all 500 lol) were found in some veterans' warehouse in another state...
omg?

why would someone hide these but not... steal them entire?
to stall out on the analysis so we don't know how cheap precious metals are to space travelers...

:twitch:

[Corncrake]

As has been mentioned in other posts, I think the phrase 'blow up the moon' in the OP is misleading as is the 'attempt to nuke the moon' in this article however, there are some other interesting snippets:

DID THE US AIR FORCE ATTEMPT TO NUKE THE MOON?
WRITTEN BY DR MICHAEL SALLA ON DECEMBER 1, 2012. POSTED IN EXOPOLITICS RESEARCH


Did the US Air Force try to nuke the moon?

It’s official – the US Air Force had a plan to nuke the moon. According to a declassified report obtained by CNN in a story that aired on November 28, the Air Force plan involved sending a nuclear missile that would detonate on impact with the lunar surface. The aim was apparently to respond to Soviet success in launching Sputnik I, and showing that the US had a capacity to send rockets to, and eventually from the moon. The project was titled "A Study of Lunar Research Flights” (aka "Project A-119”) and was planned in 1958. According to the declassified report, the plan was never implemented, and was abandoned one year later due to concerns over the effect of nuclear radiation on the moon, and a public backlash. According to one senior US Air Force officer, however, not only was an attempt made to detonate a nuclear bomb on the moon decades later, but there was an external intervention to destroy the missile.

Rest of the article here: http://exopolitics.org/?p=719

[Cidersomerset]

The Americans did explode a missile on the moon in 2009...

At the end of the vid below after impact the comentator
says something surreal. Now over to Oslo where President
Obama has recieved the shock news he has won the Nobel
peace prize...LOL...(for doing nothing )...LOL...


NASA's LCROSS Mission to Bomb The Moon

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Uploaded by lrg863 on 9 Oct 2009


The LCROSS (Lunar CRater Observing and Sensing Satellite) mission sent a missile traveling at
twice the speed of a bullet to blast a hole in the lunar surface near the moon's South pole.
This isn't a declaration of intergalactic war: The missile hit the lunar surface at the moon's
South pole, an area scientists estimate may have billions of tons of trapped ice
The actual impact started at 7:30 am EDT/4:30 am PDT (11:30 UT), according to NASA.
The Centaur rocket striked first, transforming 2200 kg of mass and 10 billion joules of
kinetic energy into a blinding flash of heat and light. Researchers expected the impact
to throw up a plume of debris as high as 10 km.

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Although this is serious the spectre of Kenny Everrets anti war sketches come to mind !!

dMHDBL7CNA4

[Heather2017]

Interesting discussion. Pixie, I love what your girls come up with verbally and artistically. :cool:

More information to consider (I've bolded some points):

The Moon is a Craft

From the Guardian perspective our moon is an inorganic structure, and did not come from our solar system. It was brought here during the last war between the Pleadians and Reptilians. The moon is a craft stolen from war and stripped to be refitted for its current use as a Reptilian and Grey Alien base. Apparently there are beings living inside of it, even now. Its use was for practical reasons to be able to have a “moon base” in close proximity to monitor and adjust the magnetic fields of the planet. The Guardians have mentioned many times the invasion of our magnetosphere as the invasion of our logos, and now this goes deeper to understand how that was accomplished by artificially generating magnetic fields from the moon and “lunar force” that would power the mind control software in the planetary body. The mind control and artificial software systems (i.e., Armageddon software) are generated and controlled by the magnetic field, and without the field generating in certain parameters the “frequency net” is not as effective or has “holes” in it. (This is the same as an invisible electric fence for dogs to be kept inside a yard.) This is exactly what they are informing us of now. There is a war over lunar forces in our system and a collapse of intermediary entities that are of “moon chain” lineages.

These Lunar chains are being removed, evicted and taken out of their use of siphoning human energy. The necessity of the removal of these artificial systems and the entities using them is from the shift in the time fields as of June 1st. According to them, the solar and lunar force relationship to the planetary body recently changed the gravitational field, which is generated from the yield of protons ejected and radiated from the Sun (Solar Force). From this point forward an exodus of lunar forces and moon chain beings from our Solar System is transpiring now. Apparently most moons we know of in our solar system are artificial and placed there to create interrupted or chartered trajectory and inorganic orbital paths (wobbles) between stellar bodies. Our recent ES community Asian Grid Project (AGP) is significant to the soul retrieval work and entity transit removal of these “moon chain lineages” during the recent eclipses. After receiving this last transmission - If the moon is gone one day from our sky, it would not be surprising. Apparently adjusting the planetary magnetic field to harmonize life patterns is a consciousness technology that is common with Advanced ET races. Just as the Reptilians have invaded and manipulated our magnetic field, it can be returned back to balance. As alarming as this may sound, they are emphasizing calm and neutrality in receiving this information. As it will be more relative to us and make more sense in the months to come.
From Lisa Renee's July 2011 newsletter (http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/index.php/resource-tools/news-shift-timelines/1673-reeducation-of-human-value-newsletter).

[Curiosity]

My opinion.
Very possible if what's said is true. That being Aliens are using the Moon as a stage for Earthly visits for less than good reasons.

My opinion.
If Aliens are coming here abducting humans and other animals from Earth for their own experiments and agenda without our consent and hiding it from us, using the Moon for their staging bases, then nuke the Moon.

http://www.disclose.tv/news/nasa_dropped_a_2ton_kinetic_missile_on_the_moon_what_did_they_destroy/134142?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fb_organic

[justntime2learn]

I value your opinion Curiosity and thank you for the post :)

Would nuking the moon make for a better Earth ? (Gaia)

I'm not sure but will be looking forward to this learning process...

Could this be a test run for "Thor"?

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[Atlas]

Cold war plan to nuke the moon: America Planned to Detonate a Nuke on the Moon (http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/11/america-planned-to-detonate-a-nuke-on-the-moon-to-terrorise-the-russians/)
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[LivioRazlo]

The way I see things coming, the AntiChrist will be either Artificial Intelligence or Advanced Intelligence (E.B.E.) God help us all folks, things are moving much more quickly.

[KiwiElf]

Older related thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52419-US-planned-to-blow-up-moon--i.e.-detonate-an-A-bomb-in-the-cold-war-

ANCIENT ALIENS have just done an interesting doco S11.11 - "Space Station Moon," one of their best IMO

(annoyingly little inset video here which will probably be taken down soon).

GWAVKH-7-fs

All episodes can be live streamed from here at full screen size:

http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens

[justntime2learn]

The way I see things coming, the AntiChrist will be either Artificial Intelligence or Advanced Intelligence (E.B.E.) God help us all folks, things are moving much more quickly.

Some say the AntiChrist came in the form of organized religion ... I certainly can't rule out AI !

[halcyon026]

If Aliens are coming here abducting humans and other animals from Earth for their own experiments and agenda without our consent and hiding it from us, using the Moon for their staging bases, then nuke the Moon.


I don't think they need to be here collecting anything they don't already have. Plus they don't need to probe us, cut is, harm us, or even wake us up from sleep to get a sample from us. They don't need to mutilate hundreds of cows and leave their bodies behind to get a sample.

Chances are ETI's can write DNA and RNA like we write C++, they don't need anything from us.

As for bombing the moon... I think the other races up there would mind and little old NASA is no match. I don't think NASA is in the business of attacking multiple alien races.

[justntime2learn]

I tried a search on two different bit torrents for "thor" and the results were intriguing to say the least .I took pictures of the monitor but not savvy enough to post ...

Wonder what this means: https://thepiratebay.org/search/thor%20kinetic%20energy%20weapon/0/99/0

Search "thor" here and let us know what you find?
http://torrentz.eu/

[Curiosity]

I tried a search on two different bit torrents for "thor" and the results were intriguing to say the least .I took pictures of the monitor but not savvy enough to post ...

Wonder what this means: https://thepiratebay.org/search/thor%20kinetic%20energy%20weapon/0/99/0

Search "thor" here and let us know what you find?
http://torrentz.eu/

I'll have to work on these search engines and see what I come up with.

There was talk on another forum that this was no secret but claims to the kinetic energy weapon being used to stir up the surface and down a little deeper into the moon to see what it was made of.?

[Bill Ryan]

I tried a search on two different bit torrents for "thor" and the results were intriguing to say the least .I took pictures of the monitor but not savvy enough to post ...

Wonder what this means: https://thepiratebay.org/search/thor%20kinetic%20energy%20weapon/0/99/0

Search "thor" here and let us know what you find?
http://torrentz.eu/

I'll have to work on these search engines and see what I come up with.



--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

[DNA]

My opinion.
Very possible if what's said is true. That being Aliens are using the Moon as a stage for Earthly visits for less than good reasons.

My opinion.
If Aliens are coming here abducting humans and other animals from Earth for their own experiments and agenda without our consent and hiding it from us, using the Moon for their staging bases, then nuke the Moon.

http://www.disclose.tv/news/nasa_dropped_a_2ton_kinetic_missile_on_the_moon_what_did_they_destroy/134142?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fb_organic


How is it going Curiosity?
For me, more so than alien abduction and control type scenarios, there are many indications that the moon is a place where the human race is controlled in a way we can not imagine. It's more than abductions, it has to do with our awareness and our mind. We don't understand the control because we've never been allowed to witness the reality we have been cut off from. For me this gets into the concept of Saturn and time, but I do not wish to go to far in that direction. I ran into the CHANI material below and thought these points might be well placed here.
The communications below are from an entity claiming to be from an alternate earth where they indeed did blow up the moon, and apparently for the better of the inhabitants of their earth, so I'm sharing. :)








The CHANI Project


This is like a fifteen minute read. THE CHANI PROJECT (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_channelers20.htm)

Channeled Holographic Access Network Interface

The story goes like this.

A think tank was involved with an inter-dimensional intelligence. The communication with the being was limited to the grounds of a top secret particle accelerator in Africa that is off the books and pretty much unknown to the masses. The communications took place in the late nineties until December of 1999 when the Y2K software was installed.

The interaction has nothing to do with ascension which is described by the entity as mass-abduction. The being describes greys, reptilians, and states that dolphins are more advanced than we are. The being states that "our" realities seem to be about to merge timelines, and the being provides certain "events" as precursors to this merging of timelines.

The moon fascinates me or repulses me, you get the drift.
Anyway, these communications held a very real message for me.

Some questions asked by the Entity to the researchers:




"ok me first question ask
wat purpose yor moon
me line time moon demise long ago
life become better with no moon
why u stil have moon
wat purpose yor moon have u
moon not natural heaven body
moon put there by other being to control earth mood
without moon big calm comes over peoples no big storm anymore only litel storm
without moon peace among people
elders say old race capture moon from space then put next earth
elders say moon forces work like time mashine keep control time
moon also control mood of beings on planet in this line time"

"me have question
me ask question now
me cee u xplore mars planet with many mony and resourcings
why u not xplore deep oceon yor own planet with same many mony and resourcings
deep oceon give al aswers yor existencing and future
deep oceon have much knowledges u stil need lern
me tel u some secret
some places deep oceon water presures so big that air u breeth can not buble to surface
this air traping cause big caverns where humans can live and do breathings of good air and plant and live very wel
deep oceons have many crystal solves al yor energising needs no polution
u ignore yor best lifeline by not seekings answerings from yor own deep oceon
god provide deep oceon why u not use what is given
earth is a water planet yet u leaders look answers in space why
deep oceon have al answer for cosmic travelings this line time why u ignore this in your history
when u solve mysteries of deep oceon u wil solve mysteries of space ask dolfin they tel u this ok"






The Entity explained that his Elders originally had calculated our dates using a 28-day, 13-month mathematical model, but that they themselves couldn't decide on the appropriate maths and starting dates to use with our current timeline on Earth. The procession of time and our awareness of time are directly controlled by our Moon.


The Moon has an effect on the body, mind and spirit of every living organism on this planet.



This is why the Entity's Elders destroyed their moon. They wanted to get rid of the moon's influence. They received the advice to do so from inner-planet beings.



Without the moon, there were five immediately observable changes:


1. The most notable changes were in the mood and temperament of the beings/civilizations living there. Without the moon, they became more calm and peaceful. Anxiety and emotional fear had a dramatic decline among the population and even the animals. All living beings were affected.


2. There were weather and climate changes. The oceans became much calmer. Heavy thunderstorms and lightning became a rarity. The climate became balanced all over their planet. Extreme cold or heat became something of the past.


3. They developed an enhanced new color spectrum. They could see and differentiate between new colors in a way that they couldn't do before.


4. A great majority of the population became aware of their telepathic communication abilities, especially between parents and children and among siblings. Children born after the "demise" of the moon were able to communicate with inner-plane beings without the need of training, Elder guidance or instruments.


5. There were major changes to their respiratory system. Their blood and breathing chemistry changed or adapted. Children born after the moon's demise were able to hold their breath under water for hours at a time.


That's good for an introduction. I should also state that it is written that there was an attempt to introduce this information via a forum thread being created to see how folks would react to this type of information being given.
The thread is on Godlike Productions
Me tell u now so u believe me 15 May (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message520517/pg1?regp=bm9fMTQ1NTQ0MjUxMw==)

[Bill Ryan]

Me tell u now so u believe me 15 May (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message520517/pg1?regp=bm9fMTQ1NTQ0MjUxMw==)

My own problem with the CHANI material is that I've never been able to get past the really, really ludicrous writing style. Even Google Translate can do better than that!

So, for a supposedly highly intelligent entity, talking like Jar Jar Binks isn't a very good start. :)

[Spellbound]

If someone actually blew up the moon....wouldn't that screw with a lot of things (gravity, etc)?? There was a mini-series with James Cromwell put out a few years back called Impact that showed something similar to this and the effects it would / could have....which was quite interesting. I can't for a moment think the US (or anyone else) would be dumb enough to try and blow it up. Then again, as I posted at the beginning of this thread, Bob Dean mentioned in an interview that the US tried to do just that...and were warned / banned by ET (which is why I don't think we have been back since the early 70's).

Dave - Toronto

[LivioRazlo]

So, for a supposedly highly intelligent entity, talking like Jar Jar Binks isn't a very good start. :)

Or maybe it's our understanding of language and communication that is flawed.

[Kindred]

That's a bit mad, my son told me we used to have two moons and soon we would have none.

He said the Earth would have a similar gravity to the moon and we wouldn't need it anymore.

Your post reminded me he'd told me this a few months back when he blew my mind with alsorts of information.
I'd forgot until now.

Oh well, bye bye moon.

Zoe x

According to the Thiaooubans, your son is correct...
http://www.lanuovaumanita.net/files/tp-typeset.pdf
From “Thiaoouba Prophecy”, chapter 7, pg 90
(Michel) “I'm sorry, Thao – may I interrupt? When you explained the cataclysm which knocked Earth off it's axis, you said that refuge on the moon was not possible because it didn't exist – and now, you say that safety bases were established on the moon for these emigrants...'

(Thao) “There Was no moon at the time when the blacks populated Australia, {and the yellow races, the SE of Asia, 1.35 million years ago} or for a very long time afterwards. There had been two very small moons much earlier – about 6 million years ago, which revolved around Earth, eventually colliding with it. Earth was not inhabited at the time so, although terrible cataclysms followed, it didn't really matter. About 500,000 years ago, Earth 'captured' a much larger moon – the one which exists now. It was passing too close to your planet and was attracted into an orbit. This often happens with moons. Further catastrophes were provoked by this event...”

(Michel) “What do you mean when you say 'passing too close' to Earth? Why didn't it crash? And, anyway, what IS a moon?”

(Thao) “It could have crashed indeed, but that doesn't often happen. A moon is originally a small planet revolving around its sun in a spiral that becomes increasingly tight. The smaller planets spiral more rapidly than the larger planets, and, if they pass too closely, the gravitational attraction of the planet will be stronger than that of the sun. the smaller planet begins to orbit the larger one, still in a spiral, which will sooner or later result in a collision”

(Michel) “Are you saying that our beautiful moon celebrated in poem and son, will one day fall on our heads?”

(Thao) “One day, yes... but not for about 195,000 years.”

I must have seemed relieved and my fright somewhat comical, for my hosts all laughed.

Thao continued. “When that happens – when the moon collides with the Earth – that will be the end of your planet. If the people of the Earth are not sufficiently spiritually and technologically advanced at the time, it will mean a holocaust; but, if they are, they will have evacuated to another planet. Everything in it's time though, Michel – for now, I must finish off my story concerning the continent of Mu.”
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IMO... all this 'discussion' about the moon being a 'plant' or 'ship' sounds more like disinformation (or 'programming')... keep the plebes chattering away and arguing about what this naturally occurring object orbiting our Earth 'really is'...

Occam's razor, and all...

In Unity, Peace and Love (and Truth)