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GlassSteagallfan
27th November 2012, 17:12
Brzezinski: Containment Is Least Worst Option For Iran If Diplomacy Fails

November 27, 2012 • 8:39AM

What might happen if the P5+1 talks with Iran on Iran's nuclear program, were to fail to produce an agreement that everyone could accept? The worst option, in the view of former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski would be military action. Brzezinski described that, and three other options, in order of worst to least worst, in remarks before a conference of the National Iranian American Council and the Arms Control Association, Monday morning, on the topic of the future of diplomacy with Iran. Brzezinski made clear that a military attack on Ira, whether by the U.S., Israel or the U.S. and Israel in combination, would be a disaster. It would produce a regional crisis, and widespread hatred against the U.S., including inside Iran, where the population is generally friendly towards the U.S., drawing the U.S. into a protracted conflict. The larger region would be set aflame, and spread to Iraq and from there into Syria. It would complicate the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan and disrupt the flow of oil through the straight of Hormuz. Furthermore, an attack on Iran would bring the risk of civilian casualties and even the release of radiation from Iran's nuclear facilities, and there's no guarantee that it would even bring the result that the U.S. says it wants. "All of this makes an attack a very unattractive remedy," Brzezinski said. "Therefore, I dismiss it as a serious alternative. It would be an act of utter irresponsibility and potentially a very significant immorality that the U.S. is part of."

The second alternative Brzezinski put forward would be a campaign of subversion, that is, sabotage, assassination and cyberwarfare. For some strange reason, Brzezinksi didn't acknowledge that both the U.S. and Israel are or have been already engaged in such activities against Iran, but he did warn that such a strategy would set into motion a degradation of the international system which would be very harmful to U.S. interests, and, it might lead to military action, anyway, if it still didn't cause Iran to give up its nuclear program. Thirdly, there's the option of further tightening sanctions. The problem, here, is that such action assumes that it would force Iran to do what couldn't be achieved by negotiations. Secondly, further tightening of sanctions, to the point of strangulation, opens the question, are we trying to change Iran's behavior or change the regime?

The least objectionable option, Brzezinksi argued, is to combine sanctions that are painful, but that don't strangle Iran, with support for democratic tendencies inside Iran, with a Cold War-style security regime for U.S. allies, including Israel, in the region. "This option creates a condition which might endure," Brzezinski said. He dismissed the notion that Iran would suddenly get adventurous if it managed to build a bomb under such conditions. This option, therefore, is likely to produce the best results. "The sooner we get off the notion that sooner or later we'll strike, the better," he concluded.

At the end, Brzezinski was asked what advice he'd give President Obama if Israel were to attack Iran before Iran had crossed the U.S. redline. Without hesitation, he said that there is no implicit obligation for the U.S. to follow whatever Israel does. "Our obligation is to say to Israel, 'you're not going to make our national security decisions for us." He stressed that it is important for the U.S. to be clear to Israel on that.

http://larouchepac.com/node/24600

Ernie Nemeth
27th November 2012, 21:37
We are so brainwashed, here in the heart of this evil empire they call the G8, and soon to be G20, that we fail even to see the most obvious solution - leave Iran alone and give them the respect they deserve as a soveriegn nation.

Ta,ta! Problem solved. Now if we could only figure out how to loose ourselves of this evil oligarchy and we'd be just fine.

M0JFK
28th November 2012, 16:46
Mr Scot Ritter (former weapons inspector) is the man to google or you-tube on Iran and the Bomb. He stated they cant make one even if they wanted to.

Flash
28th November 2012, 17:42
It seems that whatever happen, the USA does not want war with Iran. At least this is a good news coated with bad ones.

Ba-ba-Ra
28th November 2012, 17:57
It seems that whatever happen, the USA does not want war with Iran. At least this is a good news coated with bad ones.

The problem is: We squeeze Iran with sanctions until they get desperate and do something foolish (as with the Israeli's and the Palestinians). When people can't get the basic needs - they react. Then we say: "We have to defend ourselves."

This has been done before. Google: Sanctions on Japan prior to their bombing Pearl Harbor" Here's one of many books and articles written on the subject, but not taught in our school systems. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

This has been done over and over. It's difficult to believe it's through stupidity. It's the only way governments can convince their people to go to war. "We've been attacked." .... and few ever comprehend the reason for the attack.

Flash
28th November 2012, 18:07
Ba-ba-ra

I will refer you to this thread, read the resume of the video

USA does not seem to want more problems in the Middle East for the moment (of course, I am talking of democrats). They would probably do as they are actually doing, officially squeeze them, but make sure that Russia supplies them. if it were to be China, this would be another story and Iran knows it.

I do think that USA is starting to get heat from Asia, not from Iran. And they cannot bother too much with the Israeli capricious will for the moment as long as China is giving them some heat. And we know very well that Chinese are usually planning for 50 years to a 100 years (unheard of for westerners, we cannot compete on this). so heat may be on for a good while..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52505-The-new-American-international-policies

Operator
28th November 2012, 19:23
The problem is: We squeeze Iran with sanctions until they get desperate and do something foolish (as with the Israeli's and the Palestinians). When people can't get the basic needs - they react. Then we say: "We have to defend ourselves."

...

This has been done over and over.

Yep, I think you're right. The USA wasn't 'supposed' to be in WW II and the Japanese 'forced' them to get involved ;)
The USA left Iraq alone in the nineties as if it didn't want to be in war and then there was the necessity all of a sudden
after 9/11.

It is not unusual for key figureheads to state the opposite and then 'coincidental' circumstances turn the tables around.

I do not think that Iran is going to do something foolish. Maybe if the wrong person is maneuvered into power ...
But I think Iran showed their muscles when they took down the ultra secret drone without a scratch.

Iran has defensive capabilities against military aggression. So the cabal will most probably use the 'sanction' card
to demonize- and corner them. Then I think it is our turn, the rest of the PEOPLE in this world, to not let them
get away with that. Then the Iranian people need our support, we need to get off our knees/butt ...

P.S. We CAN win this but we need to get involved.

Rocky_Shorz
28th November 2012, 19:54
Anonymous hacked the Nuke agency and pulled reports of them talking amazed that Iran isn't trying for a weapon...

they thought they would be racing to build it, but they aren't


all spins...

Kristin
28th November 2012, 20:00
Anonymous hacked the Nuke agency and pulled reports of them talking amazed that Iran isn't trying for a weapon...

they thought they would be racing to build it, but they aren't


all spins...

Thanks for the post RS, would you mind posting a link?
From the Heart,
Kristin

Rocky_Shorz
28th November 2012, 20:00
today, Israel is admitting it's no big deal if Palestine is recognized as a state, but it is actually huge, all the Islamist who have been preaching hatred, suddenly have lost their talking points...

the bomb Hamas launched at Jerusalem, hit a West bank village, which is Palestinian...

the whole country is mixed, and can't be attacked without hurting the ones these nuts are fighting to help.

give them recognition and let Iran's leaders be tossed out by the Persians

the Queens puppets are no longer needed in a peaceful middle east...

Rocky_Shorz
28th November 2012, 20:10
Anonymous hacked the Nuke agency and pulled reports of them talking amazed that Iran isn't trying for a weapon...

they thought they would be racing to build it, but they aren't


all spins...

Thanks for the post RS, would you mind posting a link?
From the Heart,
Kristin

just went back to find it and the tweet has disappeared, many of the messages are up for short times to pass info to those watching...

most likely to keep the agency from upping security so they can glance back at any time for updates...

news agencies are still spinning the same stories...

link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/27/us-nuclear-iran-stockpile-idUSBRE8AQ0Y520121127)



Iran's nuclear stockpile grows but not yet in "danger zone"...

Ba-ba-Ra
3rd December 2012, 18:31
Ba-ba-ra

I will refer you to this thread, read the resume of the video

USA does not seem to want more problems in the Middle East for the moment (of course, I am talking of democrats). They would probably do as they are actually doing, officially squeeze them, but make sure that Russia supplies them. if it were to be China, this would be another story and Iran knows it.

I do think that USA is starting to get heat from Asia, not from Iran. And they cannot bother too much with the Israeli capricious will for the moment as long as China is giving them some heat. And we know very well that Chinese are usually planning for 50 years to a 100 years (unheard of for westerners, we cannot compete on this). so heat may be on for a good while..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52505-The-new-American-international-policies

White man speaks with forked tongue!....it is always popular to say "we don't want war". And as far as democrats/republicans are concerned: IMO they are all window dressing - puppets who follow the $$$.

As far as war goes, USA has found they can have invisible wars (Cyber, Drones, Sanctions). That way they don't need Congress approval and they can keep the information 'quiet', and then tell the citizens what they want to hear. Obama has readily allowed many Drone bombings in Afganistan, Iran and who knows where else.

Here is a video (old) when General Clarke talks about US policy that goes back to 1991 where PTB decided we had to destablize the Middle East. Starts around 4:05. I know of one much older than that, but have yet been able to find it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw

While Clarke talks about the Bush Administration, don't kid yourself, the policy continues with Obama.