To have empathy, we need to have suffered.

[Tony]

To have love, we need compassion.
To have compassion, we need empathy.
To have empathy, we need to have suffered.


One of the marvellous things about suffering (at any level) is that, through it, we know how another might feel, and therefore we do not condemn them. Of course, it's possible to suffer and cherish it, using it as an excuse to blame others, but we will grow out of that...at some time!

The key is empathy. Empathy can be used as a stepping stone to compassion: unfortunately, it can also be used against others. This can be seen from different points of view: an ordinary physical level, a psychological level or a spiritual level. Even these can be broken down into more levels, as in psychological-spirituality and so on.

There are those who suffer and wish to transcend this impermanent state, and there are those who do not realise they are suffering; they learn to live with it, out of stoicism or stupidity.

We suffer simply because we do not recognise our true nature. Stuff happens in the physical, and it is how we address that which dictates our level of liberation. We have placed a shield of concepts around our 'being'. And it seems there are those...TVSPWTTRTW (The Very Stupid People Who
Think They Run The World) who use their ability to empathise, in a negative way. They know some of us have a weakness for sugar, and they feed us lots of it, and offer encouraging sweet words.

Of course, we say, 'I am not the sort of person who falls for that sort of thing'!

We are all subject to identifying with something: recognition...applause... fear...wealth...spiritual advancement... cleverness...feeling safe...being part of a group...not being part of a group...
This in itself creates suffering. Sometimes we just have to accept this, as it goes with the territory of being human, or an animal.

This acknowledgement of 'going with the territory' is empathy: we know how it feels and neither accept it or reject it, as we know this confusion is not a permanent state. We accept it on a physical and psychological level, but we recognise that on a spiritual level it is not true.

The stupidity of the TVSPWTTRTW is a result of working only at the physical and psychological level, and has no inherent reality. That is why they are stupid. It's like dealing with people who try to cheat at Monopoly and then think they have won...it's only a game anyway!

Much depends on the level at which 'we' and TVSPWTTRTW are working, be it the physical level, psychological level, spiritual level, or something in between!

If I were the TVSPWTTRTW, I'd match you toe for toe with your aspirations and level of suffering.
Tricky isn't it? Actually, there are external forces at play here beyond our own minds – and the minds of the TVSPWTTRTW.

Within us all are Darkness and Light.
There are 'Dark beings' without form who hate the Light.
There are 'Light beings' without form who just Love.
We all have a choice with whom we connect, and that is down to our own intention and experience.

My take on 'dark beings' is that they are spiritual practitioners who reached a certain level of attainment, and then stopped to play: they feed off emotions, because even though they might have understood certain universal principles, they never transcended their own emotions. They also hate practitioners who attain stillness, for that is what they truly wish.

Don't we sometimes, when meeting someone who seems at peace, have a little conflict in the back of our minds about wanting to 'poke 'em' (or is that just me?!), together with a feeling of wanting to 'have some that'?!



To have love, we need compassion.
To have compassion we need empathy.
To have empathy we need to have suffered.






Tony

[Tony]

.." globalists are in fear of the global awakening that is currently happening across the world.


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Published on Oct 8, 2012 by UrbanWarfareChannel
Here is Zbigniew Brzezinski once again admitting that the globalists are in fear of the global awakening that is currently happening across the world. People are waking up to the fact that the governments are all power hungry and corrupt and are not there to serve the interests of the people, but that of the global elite and the multi-billion dollar corporations. This lecture was given about a week ago in his home country of Poland.

Here are a few quotes from this globalist:

"We have a large public that is very ignorant about public affairs and very susceptible to simplistic slogans by candidates who appear out of nowhere, have no track record, but mouth appealing slogans"

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. "
― Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

"In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason."
― Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

[Tony]

I'm not sure if he is still playing games...but things do look brighter, because we are brighter!

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[Lifebringer]

Well, I must be the most empathetic person in USA, because God knows the over 400 yrs of suffering both sides of my human genome have suffered.

Native American and Lost tribe of Israel Blacks sent into diaspora and enslavement and oppression.

[Lifebringer]

So he's afraid we will focus on NOT seeing them among us again and send them to God knows where?

Then they need to stop their nonsensecle program of oppression of the people, and severe greed and arrogance that ALL IS THEIRS AND NOT GOD'S.
The rules were put in place and crried through every 26,000 years, they knew the day would come by keeping it all to themselves, and they know what's coming to them.

Book of Enoch says: They were quaking in their bodies with fear. Don't forget, they too are imprisoned here, unless they cheat with technology, because they have "fallen" below density, and were told to leave us alone, but did not.

[Lifebringer]

Gonna check out some more of what this clowny elite is saying. To even think they could keep the veil over our minds, is enough arrogance to want to check out the "enemy?" camp's agenda. Glad they are finally getting the message though. They know there's not a bunker they can hide in, nor a hole to fall into if we find out all they've done, and they are caught red handed still doing it.

NO repentance and release of ALL INFORMATION since 1900, then NO MERCY. THEY MUST CONFESS BEFORE THE WORLD THEIR DEEDS OF DESTRUCTION, AND THE SHAME OF THEIR BEHAVIOR, MUST BE VISIBLE IN ORDER FOR HUMANS TO FORGIVE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEARNED THEIR LESSON.

Some like Lichenko will NOT and are proud to be the ONLY open dictator of the world. He has been shut off from the tap/flow/loot because of his arrogance and inhuman behavior towards anyone in his country running against him with vengeance and lengthy jail and torture tactics.

WE must be wise and teach our children to do research on these types of maladjusted people. Why hasn't anyone but hollywood, talked about the phychotic nature of dark money, crime, and politics in school. Are the secrets so deep, that when gone over in history, the questions "still" lie unanswered?

It's time we corrected and or arrested the troubled mind of delusion by helping them to see the truth and to make their own decision by having the absolute truth. When a mind is lied to, it is a directive to nowhere, because it's only in the "liars mind" that it exists and was only just made up to sway your truth seeking of the question, person, or statement presented.

[gooty64]

TVSPWTTRTW TVSPWTTRTW
I like this!
"the very stupid people who think they run the world"
It works well for me,
I mean when you put it like that,
they are still A-holes but,
they lose their power,
nicely put.

From now on, it's the TVSPWTTRTW
:boink:

[The One]

And remember folks

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

[Tony]

It is important not to allow ourselves to be put off by the magnitude of others' suffering.
The misery of millions is not a cause for pity. Rather it is a cause for compassion.
Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama

The act of compassion begins with full attention, just as rapport does.
You have to really see the person. If you see the person, then naturally, empathy arises.
If you tune into the other person, you feel with them.
If empathy arises, and if that person is in dire need, then empathic concern can come.
You want to help them, and then that begins a compassionate act.
So I'd say that compassion begins with attention.
Daniel Goleman

Some people think only intellect counts: knowing how to solve problems, knowing how to get by,
knowing how to identify an advantage and seize it. But the functions of intellect are insufficient
without courage, love, friendship, compassion and empathy.
Dean Koontz


Empathy is the lovefire of sweet remembrance and shared understanding.
John Eaton

[Flash]

I don't truly understand what Brezinski has to do with suffering and empathy... (i posted a thread on this video about new american intenational policies, it might be more appropriate to discuss it on that angle.)

However, that to have empathy one has to have suffered is scientifically untrue. This is thought of from the wrong end.

One has empathy and then one suffers might be much nearer reality.

check video 1 at minute 11:00 if you do not want to listen to the whole video. Although the whole is good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlsS7r8Ix-s

video 2 talks about intuition using empathy brain mechanisms


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8aGq0FTAY&feature=relmfu

[MorningSong]

WOw! Talk about sinchronisity! I just watched this:

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[Flash]

Some more on mirror neurons, recently discovered and linked to empathy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzMqPYfeA-s&list=LPeF6pb81MS2c&index=2&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEsGQ3JmKg&feature=fvwrel


Now, mirror neurons are much less numerous in Autistic people, and more the autisme is severe, less mirror neurons there is.

My bet is that psychopathy is linked with a dysfunction (not an absence) of mirror neurons and an absence of neurons in other parts of the brain linked with thrill and emotions and/or feelings. Therefore, psychopaths would be neurologically deficient (potentially genetically based) and therefore incurable until we found how to make specialised neurons grow. Furthermore, the genetic component would explain why they are often regrouped in some milieu.

Furthermore, the absence of emotions and/or feelings plays a major in the fact that they will rise on top of the human hierarchy, not having to deal with negative emotions stopping them on their track such as guilt, sadness, etc.

[Tony]

I don't truly understand what Brezinski has to do with suffering and empathy... (i posted a thread on this video about new american intenational policies, it might be more appropriate to discuss it on that angle.)

However, that to have empathy one has to have suffered is scientifically untrue. This is thought of from the wrong end.

One has empathy and then one suffers might be much nearer reality.

check video 1 at minute 11:00 if you do not want to listen to the whole video. Although the whole is good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlsS7r8Ix-s

video 2 talks about intuition using empathy brain mechanisms


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8aGq0FTAY&feature=relmfu









Oh, I saw these videos by Brezinski, and thought it revealed how 'their' plan on twisting people's consciousness, may not be as effective as 'they' TVSPWTTRTW
think!

As for science, well, I'm not a scientist, but I know if one lacks empathy, then one will not identify other's suffering. Put it this way, no one will know my suffering unless they have been through the same set of circumstances. Many people lose their empathy because they do not recognise they are suffering.


Of course everyone has a right to see things their way, and to empathise one has to see it from their perspective also.



Tony

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The sheer joy of understanding how the mind works, what drives it, and realising its true nature, is truly satisfying and such a relief! After all isn't that what its all about, relieving suffering and that of other's? To put more poetically...





I can put up with my own suffering,
but I'll be buggered
if I'm going to stand back and ignore the suffering of others!
To say that someone else's suffering is just an illusion,
reveals a 'buggered' mind!












Tony

[deridan]

Tricky isn't it? Actually, there are external forces at play here beyond our own minds – and the minds of the TVSPWTTRTW.

Within us all are Darkness and Light.
There are 'Dark beings' without form who hate the Light.
There are 'Light beings' without form who just Love.
We all have a choice with whom we connect, and that is down to our own intention and experience.

is that then why we have suffering.. ?
cause of these supraforces, our innerworld
{though there are build routes out of suffering [-building empathy /{type of character development}], which can short-circuit us into both a right or wrong place}

those aligned to each kingdom so to speak, practices of engagement,


then some took genetic heritability of in ability to empathize,
though the example they have used i do not completely agree with,
the lack of ability to empathize on such a level,,, that basic communicableness which is so often used in the world,,, how would those kids make it up,
i think the evil examples they have cited have lost the game on a spiritual level (some in moral indescribility , such a feeling, though not moral, nonsensicable, discordance of what should be a single system)

the physical, in such large ugly amounts as autism, is a super complex reflection of spiritual indescribability reconfigurations,
to solve taht which is physicla is to gain insight into the upper worlds.

---to not have it in your field, and apply that principle to another, that might be called healing, so much more effective when a downward pat h was sucbverted.....love spelling mistakes especially if i don't have the courage of my words-

[Tony]

Tricky isn't it? Actually, there are external forces at play here beyond our own minds – and the minds of the TVSPWTTRTW.

Within us all are Darkness and Light.
There are 'Dark beings' without form who hate the Light.
There are 'Light beings' without form who just Love.
We all have a choice with whom we connect, and that is down to our own intention and experience.

is that then why we have suffering.. ?
cause of these supraforces, our innerworld
{though there are build routes out of suffering [-building empathy /{type of character development}], which can short-circuit us into both a right or wrong place}

those aligned to each kingdom so to speak, practices of engagement,


then some took genetic heritability of in ability to empathize,
though the example they have used i do not completely agree with,
the lack of ability to empathize on such a level,,, that basic communicableness which is so often used in the world,,, how would those kids make it up,
i think the evil examples they have cited have lost the game on a spiritual level (some in moral indescribility , such a feeling, though not moral, nonsensicable, discordance of what should be a single system)

the physical, in such large ugly amounts as autism, is a super complex reflection of spiritual indescribability reconfigurations,
to solve taht which is physicla is to gain insight into the upper worlds.

---to not have it in your field, and apply that principle to another, that might be called healing, so much more effective when a downward pat h was sucbverted.....love spelling mistakes especially if i don't have the courage of my words-



I think you are right the healing comes from within, with recognising of suffering and the causes of suffering. Our suffering is a mixture of nature and nurture, meaning we have a confused idea about our true nature, and the nurture is a confused world we live that perpetuates this confusion.

AND, there are those that are projecting a false image in our minds to obscure our true nature!




? Our ideas about ourselves.

? TVSPWTTRTW

? Other's ideas




There seem to be three elements in our lives, so where are we? We are this clear page that everything is written on, without it nothing would be known! We are pure awareness. Knowing that heals everything, and protects our mind.

[Tarka the Duck]

Simon Baron-Cohen is the UK's leading expert in autism. He's a pretty clever cookie...Professor of Developmental Psychopathology at the University of Cambridge and Fellow at Trinity College, Cambridge, and the Director of the Autism Research Centre (ARC) in Cambridge.

He has a particular interest in the nature and function of empathy, and has written a fascinating book about this, called Zero Degrees of Empathy: A New Theory of Human Cruelty. Below is an extract from a review of the book in the Guardian:

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He talks us through a variety of conditions in which the ability to empathise is reduced or lacking (borderline personality disorder, narcissism, psychopathy), his premise being that violence of any sort can only occur in empathy's absence. This seems an important insight and is itself compassionate; it leads us to regard "evildoers" as not irredeemably bad but as somehow damaged.

A lack of empathy and hence thoughtless or cruel behaviour, he stresses, always stems from "people turning people into objects… in such a state we relate only to things, or to people as if they were just things" (his italics).
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Here, speaking at the RSA, he presents a new way of understanding what it is that leads individuals down negative paths, and challenges all of us to consider replacing the idea of evil with the idea of empathy-erosion.

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[Tarka the Duck]

We see all too often videos like these where empathy is totally missing. In fact, it makes you wonder if these outrages are done on purpose to create fear in the public...

Please excuse the silly music, but you get the idea. The police are using military force on civilians - it's called zero tolerance, and it's coming our way!
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[westhill]

"...no one will know my suffering unless they have been through the same set of circumstances."
--Tony

Is this possible? And is it wise and necessary to suffer the same set of circumstances in order to care/feel?
If we become too exposed and damaged we are no use to any one. That's why we have dreams, imagination
and separate bodies (with very smart hearts).

[Tony]

"...no one will know my suffering unless they have been through the same set of circumstances."
--Tony

Is this possible? And is it wise and necessary to suffer the same set of circumstances in order to care/feel?
If we become too exposed and damaged we are no use to any one. That's why we have dreams, imagination
and separate bodies (with very smart hearts).



I agree with you, we do not have to have had the very same experiences, to have empathy. Mine are a little peculiar! On an ordinary level we can show care for others, but this merely produces cliche answers...and can be very annoying! But it's meant well.

It all depends on the level we are working at.

Whatever we are exposed to is just our own karma presenting itself, and it is part of our path. Sometime the path is smooth sometimes it is rough.
Sometimes the lesson is gentle, sometimes it is violent. What it does depend on is our ability to cope and not react, therefore learn to defuse the situation.

One man's poison, is another man's nectar....or woman's!

Personally this is why I do much devotional practices,....'they' are the only ones I can talk to!;)



LOL,
Tony