HITCHHIKERS (a sort of partial entity possession) - and how to handle them

[Bill Ryan]

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There exists a potential human situation which, when once alerted to it, many reading this may recognize in others... or even in themselves. It goes under a number of names, but here I want to call this the phenomenon of Hitchhikers.

A hitchhiker is a spirit who was quite a short time ago in a human body, but whose body has died and who therefore decided to look for a new 'home'. They've not gone on to inhabit a new baby body, as is normal. Instead, they've chosen to find what could be considered an easier solution to their problem: rather than taking on a new body for themselves, they jump into an existing body which is already 'occupied'. It's like having an unwanted guest in your house... or an unwanted hitchhiker in your car.

This is slightly different from 'possession' -- which is a related phenomenon, to be discussed separately. When a body is 'possessed', another being comes into the body - and takes over completely. The original 'owner' is completely dispossessed. That's a little like someone jumping into your car, holding you up at gunpoint, and taking over the wheel while you're tied up in the trunk. That's NOT what we're talking about here.

(It's also different from a 'walk-in' -- where there is NOT the problem of the undesirable conflict of two beings both considering that they should be the one that's in charge of the body. With a walk-in, the original 'owner of the car' simply hands it over to another being by mutual agreement.)

So, in contrast, here's what a hitchhiker is. A hitchhiker gets in the car without your consent, sits in the back seat, or the passenger seat, while you're still at the wheel -- and just interferes, talks a lot, and generally gets in the way. They may influence how you're driving, or where you're going. Every now and then they may take over the wheel, but as a rule they're simply a dominant, interfering influence. (There's a wonderful Jim Carrey comedy -- Me, Myself and Irene -- which caricatures this brilliantly.)

What this looks like from an outside standpoint (e.g. from that of a loved one, family member, or friend) is that one's personality changes. Sometimes it's a permanent change, and sometimes it 'toggles' back and forth between two personalities which are evidently rather different.

It's important to understand that, from the 'inside', the person affected, and who is suffering, may not be aware of this at all.

The purpose of this article is to offer guidelines and protocols to those wishing to help someone affected by this phenomenon. (Exceptionally, the affected person themselves may be well aware of what's happened to them... and so of course this article may be of great benefit to them as well.)

The following article was written specially for Avalon by a good friend, Elrisse, who is an expert in this and other related fields. If you'd like to get in touch with her, her e-mail address is SpiritualFreedom8@yahoo.com.

Download here: (14 pages)
http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitchhiker_Article_19_Nov_2012.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitchhiker_Article_19_Nov_2012.pdf

[Hervé]

Hi Bill,

Thank your good friend for the best starting point of cleaning the attic and basement from the cobwebs of the not-so-dead living "dudes."

[Cristian]

Interesting and important thread ! Thank you Bill.

[donk]

I can't even tell you how much I needed this...thanks so much!

[Ilie Pandia]

There is something about this material that I do not understand properly.

It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

It seems to me, that in the end, there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. But this also means that you can make a new agreement and a new choice and any time. All you have to do is change your mind...

If my conclusion is not correct, this implies that there are very powerful "spirits" out there who can enforce their own will upon my body and completely suppress "my spirit" and I cannot do anything about it but wait in quiet desperation for someone more powerful than the evil invader to drive them out.

[Hervé]

[...]

... This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

[...]



Instead of in terms of "power," think of it as a mosquito buzzing by your ears at night... have you ever been successful at wishing the hungry bugger away?



... there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. That's the crux of the matter (which 9eagle9 touch upon in some of her posts and which is the whole of the methodology used by Steve Richards). The problem is that the hitchhiker is not aware of these rights and doesn't understand the laws that govern entering into someone else's game.

[Tangri]

With my all respect Bill, I am strongly disagree about this hypothesis.

Even it does not give a plea- bargain opportunity as a
## traumatized , weak person can be prone these phenomena.

This idea is going to create fear and discouragement for visiting sick relatives(hospital visits) or paying last respect to loved ones(funerals).

With this dream, hypothesis, delirium, I should accept that all emergency respond workers,ER , surgical room, workers(nurse, technician, anesthetization team),all doctors have potential hitchhikers target and I supposed to meet at least (if we think as a %1 ) 100 hitchhiked person in my life. If I include my self with mouth to mouth CPRs , I must have been doomed.
I have to use some humor on this with below pasted writing
I think that anyone who takes that seriously is so disconnected with reality that they maybe shouldn't be on this Forum.

I think it means they may not possess the necessary discernment to add meaningful discussion to more complex issues where the truth is in question.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51485-The-earth-is-flat-not-round.-We-are-being-mind-set-by-Annunaki-Illuminati-TPTB&p=576545#post576545
Love and HOPE

[Cristian]

It seems to me, that in the end, there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. But this also means that you can make a new agreement and a new choice and any time. All you have to do is change your mind...


It is a kind of agreement. If you think about people that are sad for months/years about losing a loved one, they open themselves to this kind of stuff. So, at some level , by not letting go, they do agree even if they dont realize.
Also spirits of dead people may be confused and really know nothing about any rules.

I think is more like , you can do whatever you want, dead or alive. The rules are not enforced if nobody calls for that.

Same goes with possession, is not that a demonic entity is stronger then you, they are just more aware of how the game is played, and they have more tricks.

However you can always cry to the Universe, if you feel something unjust is happening to you. You can always ask for the rules to be enforced...and they always are.

[mahalall]

In support of

"Hospitals and Collecting Hitchhikers
Often, as a slight diversion here, the reason for them hanging on is that perhaps they died under
the influence of a massive amount of drugs or something of that nature and they’re just too
zonked out to actually even realize that they just latched on to the first person who walked past.
It's somewhat dangerous to go into hospitals for this reason because they tend to have a kind of a
"taxi rank" or "bus stop" full of beings waiting to latch onto somebody and get the heck out of
the front door. They don’t seem to understand that they can decide to be somewhere else, which
is actually true in the spirit world. Graveyards are somewhat similar to hospitals, but usually
fewer potential hitchhikers than a hospital" (1)

Many subtle elements and sticky presences play in hospitals, anecdotal experiences from observations would suggest hitchhikers. All supports a need to be expansive and mindful (Generally though strong constructive interventionists work in Hospitals and just need to be called upon)

1) http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitchhiker_Article_19_Nov_2012.pdf

[Billy]

Syncronizing again Bill. I shared this on the thread you created about Carol Clark. My friend who was killed in a hit and run hitchhiked a ride with me for a few years. thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=32136


This is a true story.

My close friend Gordon of many years, we met when i was 15yrs old, we shared a flat when we both left our parents, He was gifted in some ways, he knew he would die before he reached 30yrs. He married and i was his best man they had 3 children.
At the age of 28yrs old he went out on a works night out, it was a Friday, he cycled everywhere as he did this evening. next day his wife phoned me to say he did not return home, which was very unlike him. I drove to meet his wife and we went looking for him, she knew roughly where the house was where the end of night party was being held. We found the house but was told he left around 2am to cycle home. I walked down the country road that he would have cycled to look around. nothing.

We phoned the police and hospitals. Nothing. It was not until Monday morning that the police came to say Gordon had been killed in a hit and run on a quiet road as he cycled home early Sat morning. The same road that i had walked looking for him. How the police did not connect the body they had and his wives inquiry we never found out.

Ok we fast forward a few years around 4 yrs, and i find that his wife is attracted to me and i to her. We have an affair for a little while. But something was not right so i end it.

Fast forward another 15yrs. 1997 now. I am working as a carpenter in this alternative healing lodge in the highlands. This day the owners asked me not to work making noise and drive to the airport to pick up a group of Germans who have hired the lodge to have a conference on Aura Healing. A great Aura Healer (i cannot remember his name ) was leading the conference. As we were driving back from the airport he asked me if i minded being their Guinea Pig. Sure i said.

After them settling in we began the conference. I stood in the middle and he was walking around me feeling my Aura, he said my aura extended way out in front of me. but my back aura had a presence that was squashing it and did not extend, he began tuning in. He did not know me from Adam. Then he says. Did you have a close friend who died suddenly at a young age. Well i have had more than one i said. You went looking for this man. He was killed on his bike. You were with his wife at the time. Yes i said and told him what happened. He said when you were looking for him he jumped into your Aura. You were the light that attracted him. He has been with you for many years. He knew he could be closer to his wife through you. Wow i was gobsmacked and he performed a ceremony to free him from me. after he completed this i felt lighter and my aura he said was extended.

He then went on to impress me and everyone else with his gifts over the weekend.

I thought i would share this after reading some comments here,
Peace

[DeDukshyn]

I didn't read all the text yet, but this concept completely reminds me of a book I read once (which I can't recall right now), the author claims that he was taken out of body and "shown" a bunch of things, many ethereal.

One of these "showings" was when he was taken into a bar that was full of drunken sailors, but he could also see many spirits in the bar as well. As some of them men got more and more drunk, he watched one of these "souls" slip into one of the completely inebriated sailor's body. (the "showings" of certain events where just to show him a greater perspective of things)

I'll take a dig through the book stand and see if I can get the name of the book.

[Mark]

Good article. Thanks, Bill, always appreciate it when you speak directly on these kinds of topics.

This article speaks directly to the necessity of cultivating silence. Meditation. Knowing Self.

Being able to step behind the discursive process and watch the flow of thoughts. If you are able to do that, you can tell which thoughts are yours and which aren't. Sometimes it's very weird to do so and all of a sudden to "hear" a thought that is totally out of nowhere, that has absolutely nothing to do with you or your thought processes at that moment. The thought can even be in another voice, or about something you have no familiarity with, it just appears in your mind.

I'm not sure if I've ever been taken over by a hitchhiker but I've most certainly experienced what I've described above. I've also been subjected to strong emotions and urges that were inappropriate in the moment. Do those urges come from some sort of empathic resonance with someone in the immediate environment or are they coming from hitchhikers? It could be either, depending upon the context and the innate realized ability of the individual so subjected.

In this instance, Casteneda comes to mind and Don Juan's prescription on how to get rid of the Flyers/Foreign Installation.

Silence the inner voice. Learn mind control. By so doing, you create a space of emptiness and you do not give the entities, whatever they are and wherever they came from, the satisfaction and fulfillment of you acting upon the thoughts that they inject into your biology. If you are not fulfilling their desires and urges, then they have no reason to stay with you, they cannot stay with you if they are conscious entities still connected to the world and seeking worldly fulfillment through you, because they have no bodies or physical sensations.

[Tarka the Duck]

I find this concept disturbing: I wonder what the benefits of adhering to such a belief are? The negative effects are all too clear, and, worryingly, seem to be on the rise. Apologies if the OP was written as a bit of fun, and I am taking this too seriously :o but some terrible things have been done in connection to a belief in a spirits entering living beings.

My concern is for children. In some cultures, children who are slightly different in some way - or who simply exhibit behaviour that is deemed to be unacceptable, such as sleepwalking or bed wetting - become victims of the most horrendous procedures in the name of removing the spirit that has entered them. According to the definition given in the OP, these children would have been judged to have had a "Hitchhiker": a spirit that does not possess, but alters behaviour or character in some way.

Elaborate rituals, talisman, spells, sacrifices, torture and murder are all carried out in the name of exorcising these spirits.

These are a some of the more high profile cases in the UK over the past 12 years. How many more of these are there out there, throughout the world?

• Victoria Climbie (2000) a pastor declared she was possessed, prayer and fasting without food and water. She was tortured and murder by her great aunt.
• In 2001 the torso of Adam found in the river Thames. He was a victim of a ritual killing.
• In 2004, three-month-old Samira Ullah was murdered by her father because he
was convinced she had been entered by an evil spirit.
• In 2005 Child B aged 10 beaten, cut with a knife, whipped, starved, kicked, chillies rubbed in her eyes, bound and placed in a bag and threatened with drowning
• In 2008 Khyra Ishaq was starved to death by her mother and mother’s partner who believed she was possessed by a spirit.
• Dec 2010 – Kriety Bamu, 15 year old boy, drowned in a bath by his sister and her boyfriend, who believe he was possessed. He had more than 100 injuries in his body.
Dec 2010- religious ritual believed to be behind death of 4yr girl who was found with her heart cut out and other organs strewn round

I understand that the lady who wrote this piece quote in the OP is not condoning or encouraging any such behaviour, but I can't help but ask myself whether it is a little irresponsible to promote such ideas in the light of actions commited by some in the name of "spirit removal". I tend to think we are in danger if "glamourising" the idea of spirits inhabitants.

In most major religious and cultural traditions worldwide, there is the idea of spirit "possession" and the need for some form of exorcism. The one thing all these different traditions have in common is the need for intervention by a third party. Someone who offers "deliverance". A healer.

There is always a price to pay.

[Hervé]

With my all respect Bill, I am strongly disagree about this hypothesis.

[...]

I think that anyone who takes that seriously is so disconnected with reality that they maybe shouldn't be on this Forum.

I think it means they may not possess the necessary discernment to add meaningful discussion to more complex issues where the truth is in question.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51485-The-earth-is-flat-not-round.-We-are-being-mind-set-by-Annunaki-Illuminati-TPTB&p=576545#post576545
Love and HOPE

All right dear kanata resident, here is some reality from Steve Richards' experience (http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html) with that sector of the subject:
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THIS CAN BE CHANGED—THEY ARE STUCK IN A DIMENSION OF TIME!!!.

Pain is trapped energy. Forget about pain management, take out the trapped energy or trauma of the spirit and the energy is once more free to leave and so is the pain. At times pain may not even belong to you, you may have been responsible for the death of another or taken pity on another that has died and that gave that Spirit the rights under LORE to enter your body and you may be experiencing its pain through you, until that Spirit is brought up and time enfolded back to its trauma and changed and then released, only then will the pain cease.

How many thousands must continue suffering because of the ego and ignorance of some of the mental health advisors in this and other countries?

Let's not forget about the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that are suffering mental torment due to reciprocal exchange of energy, as they take the spirits of the enemy back home with them, within their bodies. As spirits are pure energy and are ten times more powerful than a physical being, therefore they can make the soldier destroy himself in a number of ways, that is why the suicide rate is so high with the soldiers. These men can be cleared and by training soldiers in ancient lore, this could be prevented. I have cleared many ex Viet Vets and had spirits of vietcong talking out of their bodies, These spirits had a right to take over the vehicle [Body] of he who destroys its vehicle [body]under LORE.

We have heard that in Queensland alone there are over 275 police officers on trauma leave, My students and myself, have had police officers that have attended a number of suicides, and on feeling emotional and sad at the scene, that was enough to allow the spirits of the deceased to enter as they lowered their defenses--they can be helped!

There are Police officers, ambulance officers, rescue officers, soldiers, hospital staff and more that have dropped their defenses at the scene of a death allowing spirits to enter their field as many spirits are earth bound due to their sudden death and at times need assistance to be moved on, these persons now can take on the effect of the invading spirit prior to its death--They can be helped!

The tsunami in Indonesia will have thousands of earth-bound spirits stuck in their trauma. In some parts of Thailand and Indonesia they refuse to go out at night because of the spirits that are still, wandering looking for their loved ones. A huge amount of rescue workers would have picked up spirits that didn't want to remain over there and brought them back in their bodies, these people will need to be defused of their own trauma and cleared--They can be helped!

We have had many spirits that have come in to people at road accidents, during an operation in hospitals, At a major trauma, people not wanting their loved ones to leave can entrap them into their energy field--They can be helped!
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But, as most people, one can live generations after generations with their heads buried in some sand or mud... and not bother with that other side of reality.

[Hervé]

Thinking of it, and with respect to other threads dealing with abductions and the lack of emotions, empathy or love from the part of the abductors... there may be a "survival instinct" not to; unless the lizzies and consorts want to be flooded with human hitchhikers...


Running with that same ball... and wondering if that's not a part of the reasons for police brutality?

[Daughter of Time]

I've had two instances of hichhikers latched on to me. I may have had more, but two of them were painfully clear.

The most disruptive one started with a dream of a small bird with a safety pin through its legs. The poor bird died a slow and excruciating death. More dreams of more beautiful, tortured birds followed. I've had nightmares throughout my life, but this was new. Then things happened in my waking life which also instilled terror - psychic terror - and I couldn't understand why this was happening. I told myself, I'm going through a spiritual crisis. I lost a work contract because the nature of it, which would have been normal under different circumstances, now instillied terror in me. My home felt dark and I became afraid to go out in the dark. I felt like a dark presence following me around. After about a month of feeling I was losing my mind, I visited a medium. I told her I was troubled, no details. She immediately picked up a couple that had recently passed away. They were into voodoo and had decided they'd like to occupy my home and my mind. That was the answer! I talked to them, peacefully, forgivingly, saying I didn't judge them for what they did because I knew nothing about their backgrounds nor what lead them to do what they did. But I demanded that they leave my home and find a more suitable place because their vibrations and mine did not, in the least, resonate. I bid them farewell and much spiritual growth. They immediately left. The darkness dissipated. The dreams of tortured birds stopped. I was once again able to go out at night. I returned to my normal state.

One night I woke up after a couple of hours of sleep. There was a man next to me. It felt natural until I regained full consciousness. Then it dawned on me that I'd gone to bed alone! I jumped out of bed, terrified, paced the floor, afraid to go back to bed, but I had to get some sleep because I had an important work assignment the next morning. I thought maybe it was a dream. Upon returning to bed I felt chilled to the bone, but surrounded by a loving light. My body became paralized but I was astrally awake and aware. I saw the man, clearly. I could describe every detail of what had been his physical body. He embraced me and made love to me. The love making was pleasant. He was a most considerate lover. Immediately afterwards, he commanded me to sleep and I slept. I woke up at the sound of the alarm. He was next to me and bid me a good day. Tremblingly I went about getting ready for work and got through my day. When time came to go home, I was terrified. I opened the door and he was waiting for me, apologetically that he was unable to prepare dinner. I told him to leave. He wouldn't. He explained that he'd been shot therefore left his body unwillingly and unpreparedly. He immediately went looking for female companionship - a woman whose body he found pleasing and who was sleeping alone. He found me! He wanted to live with me. He told me he would not interfere with my daily duties. He simply wanted to be there, in my home, and be my lover. I could not convince him to go. So I called upon all the males I'd known in my life who had passed, who were in contact with me, and who cared for me. I asked them to help me remove this man from my presence. As male vibrations to another male vibration, they might be able to make him understand. I explained to the man that if he were in a body, he'd probably make a good companion, but I was not, under any circumstances, willing to entertain him any longer and I'd become resentful and angry if he didn't leave. So I lovingly told him to go with my friends who were called specifically to guide him. He said he wished he'd known me when he was live. I visually saw him lift off and go out through the ceiling, and I felt much love from him. He never came back.

These experiences are mild compared to an experience someone I know went through. I wrote about that man in the Horus-Ra thread - Page 65, post #1299.

I think that when walking through a hospital, if one is consciously aware of the possiblity of picking up an unwanted guest, one can protect oneself. Just imagining a cloak of golden light around one's being should be enough to deter any such attachments. I've been told these discarnate beings will stay away from someone who is aware of the potential attachment and they cannot attach if the energy field of the living being emanates beyond the energy field of the average living being. There should be no reason to refrain from visiting loved ones in a hospital. One merely has to be aware and awake and mentally express one's autonomy.

[lookbeyond]

Hello, Thanks Bill, i recently came across information in a similar vein on another thread (24 Elders ) and would be interested to hear others opinions and experiences re this, its a book by Kyle Griffiths -War in Heaven.
As a general summary it is a competition between what is called The Invisible College and a movement known as Theocracy,this post may have gone onto Horus-Ra and pls move if more appropriate for there, either way i would appreciate feedback as if this is real/true/now then despite being frightening is relevant for all.

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590766]With my all respect Bill, I am strongly disagree about this hypothesis.

[...]

I think that anyone who takes that seriously is so disconnected with reality that they maybe shouldn't be on this Forum.

I think it means they may not possess the necessary discernment to add meaningful discussion to more complex issues where the truth is in question.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51485-The-earth-is-flat-not-round.-We-are-being-mind-set-by-Annunaki-Illuminati-TPTB&p=576545#post576545
Love and HOPE

All right dear kanata resident, here is some reality from Steve Richards' experience (http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html) with that sector of the subject:
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OK dear Torontorian mate.
Probably you did not read my whole post and related article.
Author did not leave any plea bargain option what she was claiming.
Also those Bold writing is not mine, I just borrowed it from some other post.(and gave the author's right with belong link)
Did you ever hear word of PTSD?.

PTSD can occur at any age. It can follow a natural disaster such as a flood or fire, or events such as:

Assault

Domestic abuse

Prison stay

Rape

Terrorism

War

If we start to blame lost souls for causing PTSD or other phenomens , The real reason of the above affects can say that " Yes we did it but it wasn't me it was some bad boy soul,"
Also there is experienced writer at below link
http://www.cmha.ca/mental_health/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/#.ULfomazLdYU
Love and Hope

[donk]

He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?


I don't think it is forceful...I think it is stealthy. Awareness is the key (as stated in the material).

I do not believe it is a matter of more or less power, I think both sides of the "agreement" have a disconnect, an unawareness of the complete picture of what is happening.

Not knowing what is going on is scary to most. How do you know the hitchhikers aren't as confused as the "victims"?

[Hervé]

[...]

Did you ever hear word of PTSD?.

PTSD can occur at any age. It can follow a natural disaster such as a flood or fire, or events such as:

Assault

Domestic abuse

Prison stay

Rape

Terrorism

War

Also there is experienced writer at below link
http://www.cmha.ca/mental_health/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/#.ULfomazLdYU
Love and Hope

Did you read what I posted?

In Steve Richards' experience, too many "PTSDs" are due to these intentional or accidental "Hitchhikers."

[Tangri]

[...]

Did you ever hear word of PTSD?.

PTSD can occur at any age. It can follow a natural disaster such as a flood or fire, or events such as:

Assault

Domestic abuse

Prison stay

Rape

Terrorism

War

Also there is experienced writer at below link
http://www.cmha.ca/mental_health/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/#.ULfomazLdYU
Love and Hope

Did you read what I posted?

In Steve Richards' experience, too many "PTSDs" are due to these intentional or accidental "Hitchhikers."

I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

[Hervé]

[...]

I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

I am not going to be as presumptuous as trying to explain that in one post or even a few.

However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

[Tangri]

[...]

I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

I am not going to be as presumptuous as trying to explain that in one post or even a few.

However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

Well, I have already spend very valuable 12 years of my life to read. I hope you did find what you need it.

[SilentFeathers]

It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

I have similar feelings, we are more powerful than we know and these critters are just sneaky and sometimes they "hop"....jump, or use a person to get to another less aware or easier "host".

I personally believe that they must have permission in some way sort or form from a "host" to occupy...this permission can be given to them in many different ways, but they can be denied occupation by 1 strong way, that is like saying, feeling, thinking, "get the heck out of my space!"

Anger, hate, being cruel to yourself and others, drug use/self abuse, etc etc etc can be all the permission these hitchers need to occupy....usually a person so warped would never be aware the have a "demon" in them until they get locked up and find God feeling sorry for themselves.....and usually then too it's just the hitcher trying to fool others because they don't like being in jail either and jumping to another host in there is futile....

Interesting thread!

PS: some of these hitchers may actually be harmless and friendly too.....(some call them "spirit guides" or guardian angels, etc)...

[Beren]

One thing is sure friends, we`re not alone! :cheers:

It`s funny and actually a good thing to see Bill writing about this. I remember his approach since few years ago where he would be distanced of sorts from this particular theme but in the last few months he` been more keen to explore this.

In my old thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3584-Spiritual-encounters-of-all-kind-war-for-souls here on Avalon I was writing about this and similar kinds of phenomena. That wasn`t the first thread about it or last. Many followed suit and I am glad that we are talking about existence of other beings that aren`t physical.

Above all - this is profound theme and should be approached with great care and love.
Not with fear though caution is advised greatly.

For example Daughter of Time here gave a great experience and how she dealt with this man in her house.
She acted from love.
Not fear.

Clear determination is a must and Love as motivator force. When in all this- you emit frequency which spirits feel more vividly than we can feel eating an apple or else.

In essence when one is asking help from God or Christ when dealing with negative spirits ,one is essentially tuning their frequency with high frequency of Love / God / Creator / Life force field /...
Tuning in into this is significant in at least two reasons;
1. good for you for tuning into Love
2. good for spirits to remind them of The Power

One thing should be framed and remembered - NEVER FEAR.

[Hervé]

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Well, I have already spend very valuable 12 years of my life to read. I hope you did find what you need it.

Sorry but I am not interested in a role reversal here: you made a questioning statement to which I answered, then another question to which I also answered and finally offered the source of the info where all your questions and doubts are addressed.

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590965][...]

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

[donk]

Elaborate rituals, talisman, spells, sacrifices, torture and murder are all carried out in the name of exorcising these spirits.

How does this effect the truth of I truth of the original post. I'll spare you someone posting the atrocities in the name of Christianity (my family's and most of my peers original "belief"), just reminding you of what anyone here should know by now.

How about the belief that paper money is more valuable than *insert any real thing of value here*?

The atrocities you mention are "real" because people didnt discuss honestly "dangerous beliefs", which to me is the most dangerous thing of all

[SilentFeathers]

RE: Regardless if these "Hitchers" are "dangerous or friendly", one must always be aware that they always "feed or grow" off of the "host". The host always benefits the "hitcher" in one way or another...(just like most things, there is a flip side to this coin too).

The hitcher needs us like we need food and water, IMO. (Like we humans are hitchers to the Mother, The Earth in a sense)....or a flea is a hitcher to a rat or dog etc......parasites.

Although we may not fully understand exactly what they are, IMO they ARE life forms....like us to some extent, they have free will like us and are required to survive in certain environmental situations (like us)....

The good ones which we call upon and invite such as spirit guides or angels so to speak, for help and/or guidance, IMO, are more disciplined or designed for us, (in a beneficial way) they know their place and will freely sacrifice themselves, transform in to their next place to be without harming us before then....(we somehow intuitively know they will help us)...but, tread carefully, as the other ones are like leaches and believe that they can't survive very long without a food source...

Gives a whole new meaning to selfishly mooching off of another trying to become "God-like", some of these "hitchers" in a sense, are just as stupid as some of us humans are......

[Cristian]

Is not clear for me where the topic split into philosophical posting , trying to rationalize the existence of life forms some never (realize) encountered.

Bill started this thread about HITCHHIKERS .

Now what I see happening here … we are writing replies from our point of view. With our understanding of things and ego we say “ How can this be?”
“How can I have another being , or more beings for that matter , stuck with me, in my body.?” Well **** happens. Btw, never underestimate the wisdom of this phrase.

Now about the fear factor. If all this is possible , if other beings can interfere or take over my body …that means I will live in constant fear.

Well, no.

Is not so different from real life. You go to the store to buy beer and peanuts and you get robbed and shot for your wallet. You know that is a possibility . Unlikely ,but possible. So what now, we are to be afraid to go get some beer?

Same goes with everything. Never be afraid.

And if you have the bad luck to encounter an ugly dude that wants your body, have no fear, open your heart, open your beer and tell him that aint gonna happen.

[bluestflame]

as the veils thin, these energies find it harder to avoid detection

[Sidney]

There is something about this material that I do not understand properly.

It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

It seems to me, that in the end, there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. But this also means that you can make a new agreement and a new choice and any time. All you have to do is change your mind...

If my conclusion is not correct, this implies that there are very powerful "spirits" out there who can enforce their own will upon my body and completely suppress "my spirit" and I cannot do anything about it but wait in quiet desperation for someone more powerful than the evil invader to drive them out.

The term "Above the Law", comes to mind with me here. As in 3D life here on earth, where most folks are expected to abide by the law, but somehow (some) authorities seem to be exempt from that , some entities take it upon themselves using free will, to "break the laws".

[bearcow]

One of the experiences Ive had along these lines is in regard to a associates problem with a deceased relative.

One of the masters i study with in china, while giving a diagnostic to a fellow student, made him aware that a deceased individual had attached himself energetically to his right hip area. It turns out this individual was his recently deceased grandfather. The deceased grandfather's imbedded presence was causing a detrimental imbalance in his natural energy flow. This gentleman was very close to his grandfather in life, and apparently the deceased gentleman had a extreme fear of death and no faith in a afterlife. The grip of self contained illusion had taken hold of the grandfather, and he had no idea that he was acting in a manner that was detrimental to someone he loved so much. From the deceased gentleman's point of view, he was clinging to life by hanging on to one of the people who he loved most.

It is important to understand, for this individual, (and for most deceased earthbound souls) their conscious awareness is more akin to a semi conscious dream, the ability to calmly deliberate about the nature of their surroundings has been largely lost. They only can react to their environment based upon their preconceived beliefs and karmic momentum. Suffice to say the gentle methods the master tried to use to help the grandfather pass on were to no avail. Finally the master had no choice but to use a strong jolt of yang qi to "jolt" the grandfather out of the individuals energy field. The master made it unpalatable for the deceased grandfather to stay as the heavy dose of yang energy is too harsh for a being that exists in a yin continuum.

I would suggest you give that last sentence some thought, there is a lot to understand in it.

Most deceased people are mainly yin creatures, however if a deceased soul is able to hold on to a significant amount of its yang or gather some yang after it has died, it is a poltergeist.

In this case the strong bond between the two people created a opening for the grandfather to latch on with greater ease. In general, but not always, a entity needs you to give them (consciously or unconsciously) a opening into your field for them cause a significant disturbance. As a general rule, people are most vulnerable during sexual activity. Three major points on the bottom half of the torso open up and make latching on to someone easier.

Regarding dissociative identity disorder, it did not apply in this case as the grandfather was not trying to partition the mind as such and create a avenue of expression for his particular use. At any rate I'm sure the grandfather had no conception that this could be done or had the power to do it anyways.

On the other hand, I do know an individual who underwent systematic ritual abuse at a young age to partition a part of her mind for the the use of a "demon" to occupy her body during satanic ceremonies. Fortunately for her she got out of that situation and the "demon" never fully took hold of that part of her mind. She does however have dissociative identity disorder. That part of her mind that is partitioned is still "her", but a part of her that is frozen in time as a young girl. Physically she is nearing the age of 60.

Incidentally, i feel that most of the mk-ultra's participants alters are partitioned aspects of their own self, meaning that all their personalities are a part of who they are, but the particular attributes of the alters personality was put in place by their handlers. If the mk ultra victim has also been used in ceremonial rituals, then it is likely a outside entity has taken over a portion of the persons mind.

The bottom line Im trying to illustrate is the more yang qi you have, the more you become a self contained individual. Your energy field will have greater systematic defined boundaries, and the the harder it becomes for outside influences of any kind to have sway over you.

[noxon medem]

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[noxon medem]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590965][...]

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

This is completely staged, seems to be :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo


A real elevator is situated in a narrow shaft in the building
with little to no extra space on the sides.
There is no way a real elevator would have a a spare room
from where the "scary child with doll" character enter in this video
that was referenced. This is not even a prank.
This is a studio setup, with actors in all roles.
Looks like an audition for the part of a scared passenger.
The "screemers" to not act very well either.
My view.

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PS.
Back to topic ?

[donk]

Is not clear for me where the topic split into philosophical posting , trying to rationalize the existence of life forms some never (realize) encountered.

Bill started this thread about HITCHHIKERS .


Good point, I strayed myself, sorry...the way I read the article, I tried to send my personal account to Elise via Bill...it would probably be a decent contribution...when I find it!

Anyways, I been dealing with a bunch of them on my girlfriend, who is extremely "sensitive" to these spirits (she sees "dead people" everywhere), and love the Steve Richards material, though this article kind of brings that "down to earth" a bit.

I been trying to figure out how to (as Mr. Richards calls it) "bend and fold space-time, to fix the past-present-and-future"...that's where I get stuck on his material. He says it so matter of factly, as if any one should be able to do it on command. I would love someone to explain this to me, or point me to somewhere that he does.

My other problem is that I am not sensitive at all. That's how intense the HH's I am dealing with are, she will be pointing to or talking to "someone" in the room, and I don't even have a shred of feeling. When she upsets one of them (by wishing him to be gone), he will effect her or the 3D environment (blew out a light bulb once, and made me "feel" him one time).

The thing I get from Richards' and this material, is that she has to get right with her unhealed trauma (easier said than done). But I'm stuck with a chicken/egg scenario, whichever is the original cause (her 3D personal trauma or extradimensional "paranormal" issues) makes the other even more difficult (ADDS FEAR) to deal with.

So I as carefully as I can try to provide information that may help her get over her fears, look for ways of presenting the techniques and lessons that I have learned that allow to me handle these guys like Elise mentions, completely devoid of emotional attachment, attempting to face them with no fear and all love (or indifference), and have been becoming increasingly successful...particularly in identifying the phenemonon.

But this leads me to the other problem I have with the holographic kinetics and the article...talking to the spirits. I can talk to the ones that temporarily possess her. Note here, that this all the "proof" I personally need to know that we are stronger (or at least as strong) as any hitchhiker, they can't stay in control long, even before i learned to stop feeding them my fear (I feared for my girl at first, the whole possession thing was new to me...it has since become "normal" or at least: expected). Anyway, I am getting to know a couple of these spirits or HHs or fragmented aspects of her personality or whatever they are, however I also KNOW there is more there than I can see and speak to. SR does it almost completely telepathically and the article mentions that is how most communication with this stuff is...I have no telepathic ability, am I going to be able to help her let go of these guys?

I just want to be able to move forward, I know you can't FORCE anyone to deal with their demons and get over their fears and spend as much time working on themselves as they do on TV and buying crap and whatever it is she does to distract herself--but any advice on how to help her would be appreciated. I am way invested in the relationship and love her with all my heart, but unconditionally, meaning if she ever gives up or completely STOPS trying to learn and grow, I will leave rather than enable her to remain stagnant and not empower herself. But I need to give her a push, something to get it going smoother...when I first met her we were knocking out baggage and damage at record pace, I need some helpd to get out of a slump where we've slowed to a crawl. Thanks if you bothered reading this far :p

[noxon medem]

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For different reasons.

[donk]

I guess this falls under action items:

Anyone know a Steve Richards type or a good exorcist with reasonable rates in the northern Delaware (U.S.) area?

AND/OR Reiki healer and/or hypnotist? No matter what you feel about the OP, it seems everyone agrees that you got to "clean your own vehicle" in order to most effectively clean your house.

Oh that reminds me...most of the (obvious) hitchhikers are more comfortable coming out at the house...could that be cuz of her state of mind, my presence there, or the real question: a geographic/spatial limitation they have?

Richards mentions that many of the spirits are other people's baggage, left behind or misplaced.

Other concern: Past life issues. Was trying to hold off asking about that until I got response for modern era issues, though want to put that out there. Not only can i not bend and fold space/time, see or speak to most spirits, but I have not past life regression skills.

Bit of synchronicity though: my babe just texted that she is hosting an old friends' wiccan (all female--boo discrimination!) meeting next month. I told her to make sure they came early to cleanse the joint, or it will be some heavy energy up in here...

[DNA]

I found this a very interesting read. I agree with just about everything stated.
In my experience the hitchhikers are much less permanent and tend to body swap much more often.
I suppose it is very possible that something could become more permenent, it just hasn't been what I have witnessed.

I'm a bit of a haunted person, and for what ever reason, as soon as I can rid myself of one "hitchhiker", it is immediatly replaced.

I've searched for reasons, and I really don't have one.
It could be karmic, it could be an incarnational vibration we all must go through at one time or another.
I don't really know, but it literally sucks.

I liked the phrasing used to try and get the hitchhiker to pass over, or enter the tunnel of light if you will.
It's very transactional analysis to ask a question to get an entity out of a state of thinking it is stuck in.

I took me a long time to happen onto a very similiar line of questioning. My go to move is to ask the entity to "acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything". From The Cross Over Technique (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self&p=250651&viewfull=1#post250651)






After post #11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self&p=233517&viewfull=1#post233517), I realized that my energy could help ghosts cross over.




The being embodying or accompanying the pinkish astral light had given me an important personal revelation, (that the beings I thought were ghosts, were in fact ghosts). A validation that I needed.

Now I could interact with them and have no fear.

Knowledge is power my freinds, and no knowledge can ever replace first hand experiential data.













I fudged up a lot of cross over opputunities before I latched on to, a key phrase and singular objective.



The key phrase? "Acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything". And the singular objective? Introduce them to a loved one who desperatly wants to help them and who knows all of their pains and wrongs and forgives them and wants to talk with them. Once you get them to this point it's out of your hands.











They key phrase helps, because ghosts have already been approached by someone and rejected them, and the only reason they would have done that, is because they are absolutely positive about something that they are in error of.



As such, I have found that instead of asking a bunch of stupid questions, empathizing wth them, and trying to play arm chair psychologist with a ghost, I can bypass all of that by simply offering up the simple and reasonable mantra. "Acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything".


How do I get them to play along? Well, the request is reasonable enough, you must admit. But, I do pull the old bait and switch routine. :)

You see, I could tell you interaction starts off with me giving the ghost energy in a Reiki like manner, but that wouldn't be the full truth really.
The truth of the matter is this.
I notice the ghost fluttering around me, intoxicating itself with my energy.
And I then make the best of a bad situation.
I wait until I am alone and can pull the shades shut, or it is night time.
I then give the ghost my energy through the palms of my hand.
I then ask the ghost to repeat the key phrase or I will stop giving it energy.
I can feel when the ghost complies.
There is a change in their demeanor.
I can't help but to feel wether the ghost is pissed off or hurt and wounded.
I'm an empath, I'm not telepathic.
But the empathic gauge is all I need.
Either way they want to be understood.
So this is what I say next.
"Imagine there is someone who has known you since you were a baby, this person loves you and understands your pain and wants to help you. This person forgives you and has comfort for you. All you have to do is agree to talk to them."















I might say this a few more times, depending on the situation bringing out of me a slight differing variation, but they are all in this aim.







When the spirit agrees that they would like to talk to someone a gateway or portal opens up, and a pinkish astral light fills the room.



The portal/visitor does not really interact with me, I ussually have the mental visual of watching two people walking down a tunnel, lit by pinkish light.











I then feel that all of my energy that was expended in bringing the ghost to understanding has been replenished, and then some








If you would like to hear somone's experiences attempting to validate and understand this hitchiker phenomenon you could check out my thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self&p=233517&viewfull=1#post233517).




Also, just as a passing piece of information I have picked up, there are certain tell tale clues I have noted when a hitchhiker is present. One of those is that when you have a plethora of eye floaties (http://www.medicinenet.com/eye_floaters/page2.htm) going on, this almost always has occured while I have one aboard.

[modwiz]

My dad died in 2008. He really liked a lot of being disembodied, but he missed his alcohol. My sister and I drank our share. Shortly after he died our drinking skyrocketed. He was hitchhiking both of us. Not sure when he broke off because I was in the process of dying. I pulled out of the nose-dive and he was gone. It was an oops thing. Metaphysics wasn't a strong point of his. He was a Republican. :P

My sister is back to normal as well. I do not drink or drug. It is my empowered natural state. A few years ago, things were not so healthy.

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590965][...]

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

This is staged, with actors , seems to be :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

There is no way a real practical elevator would have
a spare room for the "scary child with doll" character
to enter the video lift carriage from .
This is a studio setup, in my view.

- Normaly :
The elevator is situated in a narrow shaft in the building
with little extra space on the sides, but potentialy a lot
of it above and below ...
( or was it beyond ..).

Nice video BTW.
Why is this scary ?

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PS.
Back to topic ?

This video shows people believe there is a bad ghost out there, and ready to defense them self with " I didn't do it something force me to it" excuse.

[Tony]

[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590965][...]

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

This is staged, with actors , seems to be :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4&feature=g-logo

There is no way a real practical elevator would have
a spare room for the "scary child with doll" character
to enter the video lift carriage from .
This is a studio setup, in my view.

- Normaly :
The elevator is situated in a narrow shaft in the building
with little extra space on the sides, but potentialy a lot
of it above and below ...
( or was it beyond ..).

Nice video BTW.
Why is this scary ?

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PS.
Back to topic ?

This video shows people believe there is a bad ghost out there, and ready to defense them self with " I didn't do it something force me to it" excuse.









See how easy it is to mess with people's minds.

[donk]

All the people pissing on the concept, what do you gain by contributing things like: oh always blame something/someone else?

Many smarter posters than me have pointed out that there is a personal responsibility element to it, that the "victim" likely is opening themselves (so get their share of the "blame" you seem so focused on), and that self empowerment is the key to resolving the problem...so even if it is just an aspect of one's personality or self or a fragment of either, the root and solution are the same as if it is external forces and those who are excited that this thread is here seem (or claim, if you like) to experience them in a way not palatable to you?

Can we have one blanket post for all you who know we're absolutely stupid for believing in this (levant seems like they want to, can't even contain their contempt to this thread). Or i can do it for you.

So how about it:

We're all just delusional victims making this stuff up, making each other feel better , reinforcing our delusions. We're stupid to believe in this stuff, and if only we were as enlightened as some here we'd see how silly this is.

That good? If not, maybe consider starting a thread, calling "contempt for the fools who believe in hitchhikers". As for me, I'm just some dummy that can only experience the 5 sense reality directly, who is being effected by all kinds of forces I can directly experience. I am looking for others who can or have experienced these things I believe I am encountering in my life.

Sorry to ramble, but I hate to think that someone out there might be afraid to share their experiences out of fear of ridicule. It sucks that an experience many seem to have had and shared needs to be explained and defended at page of three of the thread, where sharing and solutions should be explored. Can this be this be the last post for those that think we are delusional are mocked-without at least some evidence or at least insight of how you KNoW we are all poopy head liars or delusional tools? Thank you

[donk]

Sorry for emotional outburst, but I came from a thread where someone was mocking this one. I'm misplacing other emotions, lost a pet today. I invite skepticism always, but I think it would only serve positive purposes if it were insightful and sensitive, rather than condescending to the point I feel outright contempt of it.

Modwiz (and everyone who shared) thank you I love your posts (DoT too & very one else I can't look back to on my phone at the moment...)

[Cristian]

Donk,

The no1 issue is that we are still holding on.

Holding on to our education, to our belief system. It's the subtle ego at work.

Donk, you must understand I somtimes post from Tony's account. And some days I use Flash's account to express myself. And kreagle with his Bible topic...yup , me again.
And if I had a lot of beers...well then i'm Viking setting a new date for asccension.

It may seem that this forum is full of diversity. The truth is, it was always me posting. Just me.

[Daughter of Time]

All the people pissing on the concept, what do you gain by contributing things like: oh always blame something/someone else?

Many smarter posters than me have pointed out that there is a personal responsibility element to it, that the "victim" likely is opening themselves (so get their share of the "blame" you seem so focused on), and that self empowerment is the key to resolving the problem...so even if it is just an aspect of one's personality or self or a fragment of either, the root and solution are the same as if it is external forces and those who are excited that this thread is here seem (or claim, if you like) to experience them in a way not palatable to you?

Can we have one blanket post for all you who know we're absolutely stupid for believing in this (levant seems like they want to, can't even contain their contempt to this thread). Or i can do it for you.

So how about it:

We're all just delusional victims making this stuff up, making each other feel better , reinforcing our delusions. We're stupid to believe in this stuff, and if only we were as enlightened as some here we'd see how silly this is.

That good? If not, maybe consider starting a thread, calling "contempt for the fools who believe in hitchhikers". As for me, I'm just some dummy that can only experience the 5 sense reality directly, who is being effected by all kinds of forces I can directly experience. I am looking for others who can or have experienced these things I believe I am encountering in my life.

Sorry to ramble, but I hate to think that someone out there might be afraid to share their experiences out of fear of ridicule. It sucks that an experience many seem to have had and shared needs to be explained and defended at page of three of the thread, where sharing and solutions should be explored. Can this be this be the last post for those that think we are delusional are mocked-without at least some evidence or at least insight of how you KNoW we are all poopy head liars or delusional tools? Thank you

Donk,

Thank you for your emotional outburst. It is not out of place. Believe me, there have been times when I've been tempted to become very angry at those who simply cannot accept what is outside their personal frame of reference.

While it is true that many of these entities attach to those who are vulnerable, this does not mean that the vulnerable person is to blame.

Also, there are many beings walking around with these attachments or hosting entities in their homes which disrupt their lives but they are not aware of it because they lack the psychic abilities to perceive what is going on.

Many of these people who end up with entity attachments, whether carrying them or hosting them in their homes, unaware of the unwated presence, start having panic attacks and anxiety attacks which are totally unexplained, with no apparent cause. So they see their doctors and end up on anti-anxiety medications or anti-depressants, etc., so their physical symptoms diminish, but they become zombified by the drugs, and the problem of hitchhikers never goes away.

And if there are some making fun of this thread, let them be. They also have a right to express themselves, no matter how ignorant their statements might be. Although it troubles me that some members of this forum, who are supposedly aware and awake, would make fun of something as serious as what is being discussed here. I guess they're not as aware and awake as they think they are.

I hope you can help your girl friend release the unwanted guests.

[Gardener]

William Baldwin wrote 'Spirit Releasement Therapy' on this very subject. Hitchhikers is a good description of the type of spirit attachments Balwin talks about.

Its very sad that critics feel the need to assign/project blame onto the victim but it is a statistical fact in many areas including child abuse and molestation.

[donk]

It may seem that this forum is full of diversity. The truth is, it was always me posting. Just me.

D@mn hitchhiker! See?? That's the problem! :p


[And if there are some making fun of this thread, let them be. They also have a right to express themselves, no matter how ignorant their statements might be. Although it troubles me that some members of this forum, who are supposedly aware and awake, would make fun of something as serious as what is being discussed here. I guess they're not as aware and awake as they think they are.

I know, well said...I felt this the second I clicked "post".


I hope you can help your girl friend release the unwanted guests.

Me too. But I agree with even the people I blew up on, if she can't empower herself & get over her fears, no matter what anyone can do with what we have now...something else will just come on board to take their place.

I just think its better to help each other out...frustrating that people spend time & energy to talk about how their reality is superior or putting others' down.

I couldn't have grown to who I am without others' help, and it would be hard to continue to all by my lonesome. I got enough tests and challenges and growth opportunities in my life that I'd rather not waste my time addressing this. Ugh! Fell right into a trap!!

Ah well, maybe someone can learn something. I did. Much love...

[TheVoyager]

...
However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html


Steve talks about it in his July 11, 2012, OffPlanet Radio Interview.
Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 2, from approximately minute 31:15 on with more details of why it happens (Not being in point zero.) He says: "The moment I re-act, I enter the game of another.":
http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r-1.html

You can find both his interviews on OffPlanet Radio here: http://offplanetradio.com/display/Search?moduleId=7855967&searchQuery=Holographic+Kinetics

[donk]

I listened to that over and over...I am on board with everything he says, and believe holographic kinetics works. Here's the thing, I can't do it, of know anyone that can. And everything he says seems to indicate those in his sessions could not resolve the problem without outside intervention.

I'm also quick to believe that only YOU can heal, free, release demons for yourself, and that idea is not south in conflict with the previous thought, I feel he just assists the spirit in empowering itself while being mindful of the subject, often helping out there.

So really, a kind of resolvable paradox. Either way, I feel I studied the theoretical plenty, experienced this directly in my reality, now want to change the situation in a practical way.

What is the next step for a broker than than broke not-sensitive or able-to-talk-to-spirits (or bend and fold space-time) kinda guy?

[Keltikmuse]

I am a psychiatric nurse and this thread rings true , so true, about some of my patients. There is a link around the country with these patients and I have worked all over the UK . How can they all have the same voices, the same thoughts on UFO's and terrestrial takeovers? People who have never met, have no chance of meeting ...so lets over medicate them and shut them up?????
When I have more time I will write some of those experiences.

[Hervé]

...
However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html


Steve talks about it in his July 11, 2012, OffPlanet Radio Interview.
Dreamtime Healing: Ancient Aboriginal Modalities with Steve Richards-Part 2, from approximately minute 31:15 on with more details of why it happens (Not being in point zero.) He says: "The moment I re-act, I enter the game of another.":
http://offplanetradio.com/podcast/dreamtime-healing-ancient-aboriginal-modalities-with-steve-r-1.html

You can find both his interviews on OffPlanet Radio here: http://offplanetradio.com/display/Search?moduleId=7855967&searchQuery=Holographic+Kinetics

Thanks TheVoyager!

There is also more info here, in this thread: Dreamtime Healing - Using Holographic Kinetics (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38458-Dreamtime-Healing-Using-Holographic-Kinetics/page2)

Unfortunately, both Duncan's and Artemesia/Annalie's blogs have been scrubbed by their respective author.

[Kristin]

When you get rid of a hitcher it's always a good idea to focus in on the hole (or space) that the entity left and then fill your own life force into that area and seal it closed. Otherwise, you have an open space for another to attach to. It's an energy system. Heal the system and you won't get another one. In my experience hitchers like sensitives, they get lonely and like the company. Unfortunately, that's not the kind of company we need sucking off of us.

When getting rid of a hitcher, make certain that you have the agreement for them to evolve into the next state of awareness. That they may not go to another, that they will be ok and evolve, in other words be kind but be forceful. Honesty is a good place to start once you realize that it's not just you... Always a good idea to check into your thoughts everyday to make certain that you own them completely, that your emotions are yours alone, and that you are not being manipulated through energies in any way shape or form.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Beren]

When you get rid of a hitcher it's always a good idea to focus in on the hole (or space) that the entity left and then fill your own life force into that area and seal it closed. Otherwise, you have an open space for another to attach to. It's an energy system. Heal the system and you won't get another one. In my experience hitchers like sensitives, they get lonely and like the company. Unfortunately, that's not the kind of company we need sucking off of us.

When getting rid of a hitcher, make certain that you have the agreement for them to evolve into the next state of awareness. That they may not go to another, that they will be ok and evolve, in other words be kind but be forceful. Honesty is a good place to start once you realize that it's not just you... Always a good idea to check into your thoughts everyday to make certain that you own them completely, that your emotions are yours alone, and that you are not being manipulated through energies in any way shape or form.

From the Heart,
Kristin


Excellent point here!

An area often neglected in Jesus`s demon expelling was that he would just say:"Leave this person and trouble them no more!"

That`s it.

No condemnation or hocus pocuc stuff...
Key is to help on the right way to both hitchhiker spirits and the one who is hitchhiked.
Love is the key.
But Love is more than we might tend to think of. Love+Justice+Wisdom+Power.
Four corners or Love - which contains the rest of the three.

So when dealing with them our core must be Love. That`s the only way of helping them.If not anchored in Love-they will feel it.We might not be successful then. Other facets must be present such is wisdom and caution with determination (justice,power,wisdom...).

Anyways even a hitchhiker spirit can teach you...if nothing works against them then remember this about Love and actually learn from them in a way. By tuning in to Love as center point they will learn from you in ways you cannot understand currently, hence will leave .

Maybe this sounds confusing but essentially all is simple.
Be Love.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Entities DO attach, just like people "catch" a cold when a virus lodges in their body. I had one entity removed while in Peru (Peruvian Shamanism as practiced by the Q'ero deals rather practically with removing these entities). I had "invited" this entity in during a previous lifetime. It was lodged in my base or root chakra and drawing energy by encouraging a variety of violent and aggressive words, behaviors and personal confrontations. It began to gain more influence. As a fairly slender woman, I began to work out and became quite muscular. I also began carrying a loaded gun and was very quick to trigger into anger. At my daughters urging (she recognized when the entity would "take over), I journeyed to Peru and had a series of cleansing rituals. Here in the US the Four Winds Society trains shamans, the more advanced being capable of entity extraction.

There must be a vulnerability or an "invitation" of sorts to allow the entity to connect. This is analogous to "allowing" a virus to invade our bodies, through a weakening of the immune system due to stress, lack of sleep, improper eating, etc. Being aware of your own energy and recognizing the movement of energies into and out of your body is critical. Drug and alcohol use can open up the lower chakras, as can sex, and one is vulnerable at this time. It is a practical matter, not one to get all emotional about. We wash our hands and practice personal hygiene to keep clean. Our spiritual hygiene is equally important. Peace.

[DNA]

When you get rid of a hitcher it's always a good idea to focus in on the hole (or space) that the entity left and then fill your own life force into that area and seal it closed. Otherwise, you have an open space for another to attach to. It's an energy system. Heal the system and you won't get another one. In my experience hitchers like sensitives, they get lonely and like the company. Unfortunately, that's not the kind of company we need sucking off of us.

When getting rid of a hitcher, make certain that you have the agreement for them to evolve into the next state of awareness. That they may not go to another, that they will be ok and evolve, in other words be kind but be forceful. Honesty is a good place to start once you realize that it's not just you... Always a good idea to check into your thoughts everyday to make certain that you own them completely, that your emotions are yours alone, and that you are not being manipulated through energies in any way shape or form.

From the Heart,
Kristin
For myself these beings are in constant motion. It's as if their movement through my energy field is part of the feeding process. Like a baleen whale needs to move through the ocean water in order to pick up plankton. Anyway I mention this because as far as these folks are concerned they don't really use an attachment or cording. There are other entities that do this but for me these things are not usually
the case. I mention this because no amount of meditating or soul searching has been able to solve this. It's like a chronic condition that I just have to deal with. And I doubt I'm alone in this.

[modwiz]

Sorry for emotional outburst, but I came from a thread where someone was mocking this one. I'm misplacing other emotions, lost a pet today. I invite skepticism always, but I think it would only serve positive purposes if it were insightful and sensitive, rather than condescending to the point I feel outright contempt of it.

Modwiz (and everyone who shared) thank you I love your posts (DoT too & very one else I can't look back to on my phone at the moment...)

For me, what others think is none of my business. I am in the minority. It is kind of you to look out for those who still get caught up in what others think. Autonomy can feature a lot of alone time. At least there is only one asshole in the room that way. :p

[Simon]

Bill I have just been sent this by Amzer Zo,
You have hit upon the term " Hitchhiker", the term used by 4th dimension enterties is " Insert".
I find your picture of an Insert ( getting into the back seat of a car) to be extreamly close to how it works in practice.
A great bit of dective work !
All the best,
Simon.


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There exists a potential human situation which, when once alerted to it, many reading this may recognize in others... or even in themselves. It goes under a number of names, but here I want to call this the phenomenon of Hitchhikers.

A hitchhiker is a spirit who was quite a short time ago in a human body, but whose body has died and who therefore decided to look for a new 'home'. They've not gone on to inhabit a new baby body, as is normal. Instead, they've chosen to find what could be considered an easier solution to their problem: rather than taking on a new body for themselves, they jump into an existing body which is already 'occupied'. It's like having an unwanted guest in your house... or an unwanted hitchhiker in your car.

This is slightly different from 'possession' -- which is a related phenomenon, to be discussed separately. When a body is 'possessed', another being comes into the body - and takes over completely. The original 'owner' is completely dispossessed. That's a little like someone jumping into your car, holding you up at gunpoint, and taking over the wheel while you're tied up in the trunk. That's NOT what we're talking about here.

(It's also different from a 'walk-in' -- where there is NOT the problem of the undesirable conflict of two beings both considering that they should be the one that's in charge of the body. With a walk-in, the original 'owner of the car' simply hands it over to another being by mutual agreement.)

So, in contrast, here's what a hitchhiker is. A hitchhiker gets in the car without your consent, sits in the back seat, or the passenger seat, while you're still at the wheel -- and just interferes, talks a lot, and generally gets in the way. They may influence how you're driving, or where you're going. Every now and then they may take over the wheel, but as a rule they're simply a dominant, interfering influence. (There's a wonderful Jim Carrey comedy -- Me, Myself and Irene -- which caricatures this brilliantly.)

What this looks like from an outside standpoint (e.g. from that of a loved one, family member, or friend) is that one's personality changes. Sometimes it's a permanent change, and sometimes it 'toggles' back and forth between two personalities which are evidently rather different.

It's important to understand that, from the 'inside', the person affected, and who is suffering, may not be aware of this at all.

The purpose of this article is to offer guidelines and protocols to those wishing to help someone affected by this phenomenon. (Exceptionally, the affected person themselves may be well aware of what's happened to them... and so of course this article may be of great benefit to them as well.)

The following article was written specially for Avalon by a good friend who is an expert in this and other related fields. If you'd like to get in touch with her, please do so via my own e-mail address (bill@projectavalon.net), and I'll forward your message immediately.

Download here: (15 pages)
http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitchhiker_Article_19_Nov_2012.pdf

http://projectavalon.net/Avalon_Hitchhiker_Article_19_Nov_2012.pdf

[CD7]

Hummm what about a superhero hitchhiker? dont they ever hitch hike onto somebody??...No, only the bottom feeders, energy drainers, vamps....:boink:

Good gravy if were going to exist in a polar world..id say the opposite must exist too

[donk]

id say the opposite must exist too Parent Post

don't we call them "spirit guides"?

I don't really have a sense of urgency to get rid of them...perhaps some advice on how to beckon them (if they help get rid of their polar opposites)?

[Chester]

There is something about this material that I do not understand properly.

It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

It seems to me, that in the end, there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. But this also means that you can make a new agreement and a new choice and any time. All you have to do is change your mind...

If my conclusion is not correct, this implies that there are very powerful "spirits" out there who can enforce their own will upon my body and completely suppress "my spirit" and I cannot do anything about it but wait in quiet desperation for someone more powerful than the evil invader to drive them out.

I agree 100% with your post, Ilie.

In fact, I sense I may have a "hitchhiker" and have amassed quite data set of all but completely impossible synchronicities that point to exactly what formerly "alive in the flesh" human being I "picked up." I actually offered to share the information to someone within this forum community but they have either been to busy to reply or perhaps are not interested.

This situation happens to be quite personal and also could be controversial beyond any rationalization to post the specifics of the relationship. I have three more personal pieces of data that I have not posted about on the forum and this is one of them.

The oddest thing about this "hitchhiker" is that because of this forum, I have been able to identify the various non physical entities I have had to deal with and in the process have reclaimed fully my sovereignty of my soul and to reunite my various components previously separated to a significant degree again, all because of this forum because this forum connected me with the folks that helped me through this process.

I am unsure to be honest if that same "hitchhiker" is still with me to be honest, but I have identified two distinct voices within me which perhaps may just be my own or perhaps one of them is not and to be honest, I get the feeling both of the voices are not.

And I have no problem with these relationships at all whatsoever anymore. I can't imagine my life without my "little friends" - would be immensely boring.

Do not take what I am saying to mean I am suggesting others allow themselves to have one or more "little friends."

Through this forum I was guided to a video just two days ago where someone I was unfamiliar with named Deborah Pietsch from Shift is Happening! interviewed Richard Dolan and Kerry Cassidy. This is an outstanding interview that occurred last September. I recommend it highly as you are able to experience fantastic folks in their most recent evolved states.

I got off track so back to my point that is relevant to this thread. Pietsch mentions her guides in a brief segment between these two interviews.

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What struck me was how she seemed totally ok with these relationships. She also comes across as quite grounded as well as superbly open minded. When you add that she is interviewing two of the most solid folks on the planet (IMO), Dolan and Cassidy and I do value associations... I thought to myself, wow... perhaps these "hitchhikers" may be guides as well. I have been receiving some incredible information.

I have never, ever been happier in my life. I have never been more focused and productive with regards to work. I get along well with everyone that enters my sphere these days.

And the best part is that I have stopped being in a hurry and thus I am simply going with the flow at almost every waking moment (well... and dreaming moments too).

And just to let me know I am on the right track, that I am allowing myself to be guided by my intuition first and foremost, I am experiencing a plethora of huge, positive and in many cases personally significant synchronicities daily.

The one that happened today was so mind blowing... I am going to post it in the morning on the Horus-Ra thread as the relevant beginnings of the story were posted in that thread back in July.

Love to All, Chester

[donk]

For me, what others think is none of my business. I am in the minority. It is kind of you to look out for those who still get caught up in what others think. Autonomy can feature a lot of alone time. At least there is only one asshole in the room that way.

As someone who is often that only asshole, and was once the guy too intimidated to say anything out of fear what others would think...was hoping to encourage all thoughts and sharing of experiences, except those that shut others' down (if that makes sense, I often don't).

I would love to hear to everyone's thoughts, experiences, speculations, and seemingly far-out ideas on the subject, would hate for anyone to be scared away. Especially those that don't believe the same things I do, even more especially those can explain why...

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

The OP made me think of this:

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The Hitchhiker was a common theme of Jim's....

[CdnSirian]

The OP made me think of this:

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The Hitchhiker was a common theme of Jim's....

The Hitchhiker is also often the subject of horror movies. I never watch them.

My sense is Bill is presenting this idea as something that should be gotten rid of. I don't believe he's talking about spiritual guides, or any helpful spiritual form.

Inelia broaches this subject in her meditations as saying that any resistance or idea/fear/pain/discomfort should be welcomed and allowed, allowed to grow bigger and allowed to be there. Then at some point, you send it, or intend it, back to Source.

That works for me, but I understand these things are more complicated for some people.

[Finefeather]

I have been doing out of body work for quite a long time and can confirm what Bill is presenting here from personal experience.
We should not confuse this hitchhiker phenomena with what is sometimes known as hauntings because this is often just residual emotional energy which dissipates in time and can be quite an interesting subject, because there are many cases where this residual energy starts taking on a life of it's own and things can get quite complicated because there is no reasoning in this life form. It can become very parasitic and is very difficult to get rid of.

There are 2 main kinds of 'Hitchhikers' which I have come across...1. your own personal dead family, and then 2. some complete outsider who is just plain lost, confused and looking for comfort or some other sinister motive. This phenomena takes place in the etheric space and not the astral as some seem to think. The etheric space is a kind of twilight zone just out of the reach of our senses and those who do out of body travel will recognize this as the area, or space, we are in when we just disconnect from the body. In this space everything is identical to the 3D realm, unlike the lower astral where things begin to distort in accordance with our emotional state. It can be quite exciting in this state because we can actually move around like some super being...Batman comes to mind :)

Family members who are part of the same 'soul family group' are usually quite protective over each other and when you have a strong one in the family who dies, he/she often hangs around for a long time, often a planned event to help the others. These cannot really be called hitchhikers although in a lot of cases these family members start becoming a little bossy and start becoming more of a nuisance than a help. They are more easy to release than the 2nd lot. The way I have gone about this is to gather the whole family and sit down and as a collective we send out the call to the person to stop and send them on their way. We should remember that immediately after death we have the same consciousness as we had during that life and so the Spirit who is hanging around does not see the folly or wrong in what it is doing, especially if during it's life it was the breadwinner and the source of advise for the family. They think they are doing a perfectly normal thing...and often there is much love around them.
In the out of body state you see these in the etheric space which is just out of range of the human senses. They walk around the house as if they are still in the body. I have seen them actually sleeping in the same bed they used to and often next to their still living husband or wife or lover. One grandad I came upon died about 3 months before his daughter gave birth and he was determined to stick around until he saw his grandchild...just like you and I may go about our normal everyday life on earth, with our same old attitudes and hangups, but also with the same love and feelings we might have had while alive.

Now...the real hitchhiker is another story. The ones I have helped move on are decidedly stubborn and uncooperative and it can take a long time to sort this out. There are a few types again in this category...if you would allow me this...a little failing of mine to always try to place things into boxes :)
There are 1. those who are genuinely stuck and confused and are actually just seeking a place of safety or comfort. These are more easily released when they get the message and believe it or not, I have rescued nuns from this state...they just have no idea what is going on so continue to walk around with other living nuns or attach themselves to those in and around hospices to continue their work of caring. They do not genuinely want to harm you but their influence can be quite annoying.
Then 2nd, are those who are just a plain pain and they remind me of some people in life who are the hangers on in your life. They are nosy and interfere with your life and generally pop up when you think you are all alone and trying to have a quiet day. They do not get the message that you choose not to have them around you. I have known them to cause serious accidents, and to hang around bedrooms when you are trying to have a moment of passion with your chosen partner. They can move things around your house and hide your car keys. Often this may seem quite playful but more than often it is a vindictive act which they are performing, because they either feel done by life, or are just willingly trying to make your life a nightmare.
This is the worst category and I do not wish to go into the many details as there are enough examples of this phenomena.
The most important thing I feel to mention is that at this level of hitchhiking we are merging into the Horus Ra thread because many of these hitchhikers have one foot in the lower astral and the other in the etheric space. They start encouraging fear and hysteria and the subject of their terrorist acts start becoming identical to other astral attacks and they start feeding off the living persons emotional response.
It can take a great deal of effort to stop these acts because the energy becomes extremely powerful.

So remember tonight when you go to sleep to check under your bed...you never know who is hiding there :)

Love to all
Ray

[Finefeather]

In fact, I sense I may have a "hitchhiker" and have amassed quite data set of all but completely impossible synchronicities that point to exactly what formerly "alive in the flesh" human being I "picked up." I actually offered to share the information to someone within this forum community but they have either been to busy to reply or perhaps are not interested.

This situation happens to be quite personal and also could be controversial beyond any rationalization to post the specifics of the relationship. I have three more personal pieces of data that I have not posted about on the forum and this is one of them.

The oddest thing about this "hitchhiker" is that because of this forum, I have been able to identify the various non physical entities I have had to deal with and in the process have reclaimed fully my sovereignty of my soul and to reunite my various components previously separated to a significant degree again, all because of this forum because this forum connected me with the folks that helped me through this process.

I am unsure to be honest if that same "hitchhiker" is still with me to be honest, but I have identified two distinct voices within me which perhaps may just be my own or perhaps one of them is not and to be honest, I get the feeling both of the voices are not.

And I have no problem with these relationships at all whatsoever anymore. I can't imagine my life without my "little friends" - would be immensely boring.

Do not take what I am saying to mean I am suggesting others allow themselves to have one or more "little friends."

Hi Chester you seem to be doing so well...and on a little research since I returned, you seem to have taken over the forum with all your interesting stories. :)

I thought it would be appropriate to mention that everyone who has a problem should not immediately think they have a hitchhiker on their back causing them to go astray. It is human nature to think someone else is responsible for our failings and bad habits and attitude. We should examine our own lives and first try to determine our own involvement in our state. This is often a difficult thing to achieve if you are not ready to take ownership of your own life.
Sometimes, and note I say sometimes, the little voice on your shoulder is your own higher self seeking to get through to a rather tough and stubborn ego.
The other thing to know is that what we call guides is just our way of self assurance that we are not alone and have someone to turn to for guidance. In fact the 'guide' is more than often NOT the higher self and we have been known to call this the "voice of God" or some other name which gives us a warm feeling of comfort. 'Guides' are normally your soul group members and are there at a lower vibrational level than your higher self which often cannot get through to us because of our own attitude and stubbornness. So it is not always possible to identify the difference between a 'guide' and a 'hitchhiker'...to many they may be seen as one and the same thing depending on the advice or message we get. The only way to determine this is to reflect inwardly, to examine carefully, to put away your ego, and ask yourself if this advice is going to benefit you and NOT interfere in the lives of others around you in a negative way. We have heard many stories of people saying they did something because they heard a voice in their head and thought this was God speaking and so if God said they should do something then that is what they have to do. Real guides will not interfere in your personal life and will only give you 'advice' in moments of true need and with your consent...which we are most times not even aware of. If you have someone blabbering in your ear all day long you should take steps to shut the voice up, it has no place in your life.

Love to you
Ray

[donk]

Then 2nd, are those who are just a plain pain and they remind me of some people in life who are the hangers on in your life. They are nosy and interfere with your life and generally pop up when you think you are all alone and trying to have a quiet day. They do not get the message that you choose not to have them around you. I have known them to cause serious accidents, and to hang around bedrooms when you are trying to have a moment of passion with your chosen partner.

Thanks for that, Ray. Your description is great, made me think about how my “mundane’ life is a reflection of the issues I am dealing with on that plane of existence which I am currently completely insensitive to. (need to start meditating or something...)

I believe in the law of attraction, and apparently I am a magnet for the type you describe. So obviously, my partner doesn’t have quite as many solid ones as I do, she came with a slew of the etheric ones.

I’m getting good at dealing with the living, and that is also being reflected on the way I am handling the not-so-living. I appreciate your insight, as I need any help I can get as I continue my journey to ensure my chica does not fall (and do my best to rid the darkness from my reality).

[Daughter of Time]

id say the opposite must exist too Parent Post

don't we call them "spirit guides"?

I don't really have a sense of urgency to get rid of them...perhaps some advice on how to beckon them (if they help get rid of their polar opposites)?

Spirit Guides are not exactly the polar opposite of hichhikers since they do not reside on the same plane.

A hichhiker resides in the astral plane and they are still very much earthbound. Spirit guides reside in higher dimension and they are the ones who perform acts that are generally called "divine intervention". These are very different types of beings.

The unseen world is extremely complex: hitchhikers, poltergeist, spirit friends, spirit guides, etc., etc., etc,. all perform very different tasks for very different purposes. Hitchhikers are usually uninvited and unwelcome. They do not respect the free will of another. They are parasitical whether they mean harm or not. Spirit guides are not parasitical as they try to help one choose a path that will lead to a better outcome when one is headed for destruction. And if you should wish a spirit guide to go away, they will go away as they respect free will.

When it comes to hitchhikers, some people unwittingly invite them and keep them attached even if it causes them great discomfort. This is usually the case when one loses a loved one and won't let them go.

I know someone whose wife passed away several years ago. Although it was not a happy marriage, when she passed, he missed her terribly and still does. He has refused to move out of the home where they lived together even though that place is no longer suitable for him. He has not removed any of her belongings. The closet still contains all of her clothes, shoes, jewellery, purses, accessories, etc., He is Christian and she was Jewish and Hannukah was observed in the home. He still has the Menora in the living room (which must be a powerful pull for her) and he visits the cemetery every week. He talks to her every day. His heart still belongs to her. And then he wonders why he cannot attract a suitable female companion. If he becomes involved with someone, which he desperately needs, he always does something to jeopardize the relationship so no relationship ever lasts. He does not allow his dates to go to his home, he goes to hers, because his home still looks like a woman lives there. His home is almost like a shrine to her. And he doesn't want another female in his home because he feels he'd be betraying his wife! I've tried to make him understand what he's doing and how damaging it is to both of them, but he simply won't let her go. In this case, one cannot really blame the hitchhiker but the host since he's keeping her there. He's haunted by the pain of seeing her die and she's pinned to his pain.

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Daughter of Time


I know someone whose wife passed away several years ago. Although it was not a happy marriage, when she passed, he missed her terribly and still does. He has refused to move out of the home where they lived together even though that place is no longer suitable for him. He has not removed any of her belongings. The closet still contains all of her clothes, shoes, jewellery, purses, accessories, etc., He is Christian and she was Jewish and Hannukah was observed in the home. He still has the Menora in the living room and he visits the cemetery every week. He talks to her every day. His heart still belongs to her. And then he wonders why he cannot attract a suitable female companion. If he becomes involved with someone, which he desperately needs, he always does something to jeopardize the relationship so no relationship ever lasts. He does not allow his dates to go to his home, he goes to hers, because his home still looks like a woman lives there. His home is almost like a shrine to her. And he doesn't want another female in his home because he feels he'd be betraying his wife! I've tried to make him understand what he's doing and how damaging it is to both of them, but he simply won't let her go. In this case, one cannot really blame the hitchhiker but the host since he's keeping her there. He's haunted by the pain of seeing her die and she's pinned to his pain.

Could you please explain why you feel this behaviour is down to a "hitchhiker" rather than unresolved grief?
Or are you saying that all those who experience this level of attachment to someone who has died, together with an inability to move on, have a "hitchhiker"?

Thanks
Kathie

[Tony]

Surely anything that arises in the mind is a product of our past, and a residue of our past actions.
Even if the appearance is due to what is happening in our immediate situation, our reactionti that is due to our past.

If, however, we act "out of character", with another personality, that could be called schizophrenia.

We have to be very careful of auto-suggestion from neuro linguistic programming. How many people - on hearing words like...starseed, indigo, walk-in, hitchhiker, inserts, etc - immediately stick their hand up! When checking an electrical fault first look for the obvious problems.
If someone says, "It's far more complicated" without first looking or smelling (looking for the simple solution), or, when questioned, resorts to aggression, back off...

Who makes these words up?! Ooo, I've remembered another one....Teasers!...

"... teasers are rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around the Galaxy looking for planets that no one's made contact with yet and buzz them.
They find some isolated spot, and land right by some unsuspecting soul that no one's ever going to believe, and strut up and down in front of them, making beep-beep noises. Rather childish, really..."

Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide

[Daughter of Time]

Hello Daughter of Time


I know someone whose wife passed away several years ago. Although it was not a happy marriage, when she passed, he missed her terribly and still does. He has refused to move out of the home where they lived together even though that place is no longer suitable for him. He has not removed any of her belongings. The closet still contains all of her clothes, shoes, jewellery, purses, accessories, etc., He is Christian and she was Jewish and Hannukah was observed in the home. He still has the Menora in the living room and he visits the cemetery every week. He talks to her every day. His heart still belongs to her. And then he wonders why he cannot attract a suitable female companion. If he becomes involved with someone, which he desperately needs, he always does something to jeopardize the relationship so no relationship ever lasts. He does not allow his dates to go to his home, he goes to hers, because his home still looks like a woman lives there. His home is almost like a shrine to her. And he doesn't want another female in his home because he feels he'd be betraying his wife! I've tried to make him understand what he's doing and how damaging it is to both of them, but he simply won't let her go. In this case, one cannot really blame the hitchhiker but the host since he's keeping her there. He's haunted by the pain of seeing her die and she's pinned to his pain.

Could you please explain why you feel this behaviour is down to a "hitchhiker" rather than unresolved grief?
Or are you saying that all those who experience this level of attachment to someone who has died, together with an inability to move on, have a "hitchhiker"?

Thanks
Kathie

Because their marriage was extremely unhappy and I didn't bother to mention that she made him feel extremely guilty just before she died. This haunts him. He had wanted to walk away from the marriage because of all the misery he suffered for so many years. It was draining him to the point that he said he had thought he would die. But he stayed in the marriage because of her mental issues (according to him) and later a physical illness which took her life. And even though he now desperately wants to find a suitable companion, he feels that she's been telling him that he should stay away from the woman he'd been seeing and was very interested in. Ultimately, I don't know if these "whispers" come from her or from his guilt. I know I left all these things out, but if I were to mention the details of their marriage, as far as what he's told me, it would make for one extremely long post.

Judging from all I've heard from him, she has never left their home... and he has not done anything to set her free.

[noxon medem]

..
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& :
Another thought on this subject :

? Purge or Merge or
something inbetween
(or something else)

And
What if your own higher self
( maybe even the lower self ..).
stepped in and "hitchhiked"
for a while . What then ?
( in the name of experience )

Are there examples and information
on that perspective of this topic ?

..
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All well to U all, and
Everything in tune ,
I guess ...

:fish2:

PS.
What is hidden in the part of our
brain and dna that we do not
curreltly "use", according to
commonly known science .
And what show up in the
ongoing current of life .

Be well .

[Chester]

William Baldwin wrote 'Spirit Releasement Therapy' on this very subject. Hitchhikers is a good description of the type of spirit attachments Balwin talks about.

Its very sad that critics feel the need to assign/project blame onto the victim but it is a statistical fact in many areas including child abuse and molestation.

I can see now, with hindsight that I created the opportunity for each and every paranormal experience I have had. Yet, having said that, before I discovered this to be true for myself, I was a victim. Most folks who have negative experiences with the paranormal are, in this way, victims. Some folks experience real live, physical realm 3D horrors that they are unable to resolve for themselves at the time and on their own.

I am of the opinion we, as a collective, have a responsibility to those who cannot easily help themselves and in general society, most think this way. Unfortunately in general society, most do not believe in the reality of paranormal attack nor the reality of SRHS and SRA which is real world, physical abuse of the weak by fellow humans in conjunction with non human and/or non 3D entities.

I cannot see leaving my body (what they call death) where I haven't done my very best to assist in the ending of these practices on Earth.

[donk]

Someone please try to follow me:

I took this thread to assume that there exists there entities, whether they be the “soul” or essence or a part of a being that once inhabitated a body, a thought form manifested into an entity through a conscious being’s intent or trauma or what-have-you, a completely separate type of extra-dimensional being, or any other idea you may have.

Point is: this thread assumes “hitchhikers” exist. They have some level of consciousness/independence/separateness from the host. BR’s link leans towards them being at least part---if not all—of a consciousness that once inhabited a human earthly body, but maybe even that is not important. We are assuming they exist, and people reading this want to remove some sort of conflict they have with them—whether it is to “cross them over”, banish them to hell, make them aware of what they are doing, etc.

I found the suggestions in the link very helpful. I found the parallel to Steve Richards holographic kinetics relevant and helpful as well. In fact, “listen to this (only existing as far as I know) SR interview and read his website” was the only direct answer I received that spoke directly to this problem. This thread was number 2 (and all the experiences here are excellent, what I was looking for!). Stumbling around, I found DNA’s year old accounts, though they were more personal and self-improving (whereas Elise and Richards are helping others).

I understand all about knowing thyself and fear attracting and even possibly manifesting these things and you can find that and meditation and healing --ultimately if everyone would jut face and let go and be free of their unhealed trauma, there’d be no fear-food for energy suckers and no one would have this problem. I get that. But it takes time. And you can’t force anyone to get healing, let go, or do anything really.

So my question: can you point me to more resources on dealing with these things a la the link on this thread, which excellent—it addresses the issue and offers practical suggestions for solutions. I am hoping for the same thing, from other perspectives. I love Steve’s, but as I repeat (and no one responds to), I don’t find “bending and folding space-time to fix (I think that’s the word he keeps using, I have trouble hearing it) the past, present, and future” to be practical at this time. And I would love to know how to talk to and hear the “little spirits” that comes so easily to him. Can anyone point me in the direction for making those things practical?

I get the basic concepts, though the devil is in the details, and I know different strokes work for different folks, so I am just fishing for different points of view on solutions. Gracias!!

[Heather2017]

Someone please try to follow me...
So my question: can you point me to more resources on dealing with these things a la the link on this thread, which excellent—it addresses the issue and offers practical suggestions for solutions. I am hoping for the same thing, from other perspectives...
I get the basic concepts, though the devil is in the details, and I know different strokes work for different folks, so I am just fishing for different points of view on solutions. Gracias!!

Hi Donk. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Lisa Renee's web site (http://www.energeticsynthesis.com/) offers a wealth of resources for building and shielding our spiritual bodies, healing fear and trauma, and removing entities, implants and mind control programs.

I'm in the early stages of working with the Hieros Gamos System, which is designed to assist with all of the above. For now we're just using the system within the community. Lisa will release it to the public under Creative Commons soon. It costs $33 a month to become an ES community member.

If you or your loved one resonates with Lisa's information and would like to talk about it, I'd be happy to send a PM with my phone number. I can also email MP3s of meditations and clearings I've found helpful.

Love,
Heather

[donk]

I'm the broken record (turned up way too loud...I apologize)! Thanks so much, I will check it out, and apologize if I missed it before.

I been reading Truman Cash's stuff today, and kinda want to add it to the list, but that seems to diverge from the hitchhiker into other abductor scenario...or is that a divergence? Ugh, the tendancy to want to compartmentalize (not to mention find an easy "how to, step-by step" fix) is a bastard!

[Daughter of Time]

Someone please try to follow me:

I took this thread to assume that there exists there entities, whether they be the “soul” or essence or a part of a being that once inhabitated a body, a thought form manifested into an entity through a conscious being’s intent or trauma or what-have-you, a completely separate type of extra-dimensional being, or any other idea you may have.

Point is: this thread assumes “hitchhikers” exist. They have some level of consciousness/independence/separateness from the host. BR’s link leans towards them being at least part---if not all—of a consciousness that once inhabited a human earthly body, but maybe even that is not important. We are assuming they exist, and people reading this want to remove some sort of conflict they have with them—whether it is to “cross them over”, banish them to hell, make them aware of what they are doing, etc.

I found the suggestions in the link very helpful. I found the parallel to Steve Richards holographic kinetics relevant and helpful as well. In fact, “listen to this (only existing as far as I know) SR interview and read his website” was the only direct answer I received that spoke directly to this problem. This thread was number 2 (and all the experiences here are excellent, what I was looking for!). Stumbling around, I found DNA’s year old accounts, though they were more personal and self-improving (whereas Elise and Richards are helping others).

I understand all about knowing thyself and fear attracting and even possibly manifesting these things and you can find that and meditation and healing --ultimately if everyone would jut face and let go and be free of their unhealed trauma, there’d be no fear-food for energy suckers and no one would have this problem. I get that. But it takes time. And you can’t force anyone to get healing, let go, or do anything really.

So my question: can you point me to more resources on dealing with these things a la the link on this thread, which excellent—it addresses the issue and offers practical suggestions for solutions. I am hoping for the same thing, from other perspectives. I love Steve’s, but as I repeat (and no one responds to), I don’t find “bending and folding space-time to fix (I think that’s the word he keeps using, I have trouble hearing it) the past, present, and future” to be practical at this time. And I would love to know how to talk to and hear the “little spirits” that comes so easily to him. Can anyone point me in the direction for making those things practical?

I get the basic concepts, though the devil is in the details, and I know different strokes work for different folks, so I am just fishing for different points of view on solutions. Gracias!!

When it came to releasing the entities I referred to in post #16 in this thread, I did it by talking to them the way i would talk to a human being. I just sat down and requested that the entity please listen to me as I had an important message which would benefit both of us. My communication to them was gentle, compassionate, devoid of anger. That's all it took for them to understand. They need to be acknowledged as beings who are lost, or in pain, or confused, and never, ever be judged for what they do because that will make them angry and they'll refuse to leave. I know there are proper techniques to release them, but when it happened to me, I didn't know of any techniques, so I talked to them as one conscious being to another.

And as far as fear attracting them, that may be true to a point, but sometimes fears are so deeply imbedded in the subconscious that one may not be even remotely aware of being afraid of anything. And these entities, to my experience, are not always attracted because of fear. Sometimes they're attracted to someone because that person reminds them of someone they knew, or because you have an object in your home which is identical to an object they owned, and a plethora of other reasons.

The reasons for the attachments are many, as I believe, are the solutions. Try the simplest steps which are communication and understanding from a loving heart. In your case, it's up to your girl friend to communicate because she's the one with the hitchhikers. If that fails, then go to the methods prescribed in this thread, which are a little more complicated than simple communication. Something will work as hitchhikers, as a rule, are not evil. They simply have not been able to leave behind the earthly realm.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

My dad died in 2008. He really liked a lot of being disembodied, but he missed his alcohol. My sister and I drank our share. Shortly after he died our drinking skyrocketed. He was hitchhiking both of us. Not sure when he broke off because I was in the process of dying. I pulled out of the nose-dive and he was gone. It was an oops thing. Metaphysics wasn't a strong point of his. He was a Republican. :P

My sister is back to normal as well. I do not drink or drug. It is my empowered natural state. A few years ago, things were not so healthy.

Um, thanks for this post;
my own dad died in 2007 -- while my son was gestating, sadly.
I felt very much as if some negative energy had passed from my father into my own life.
And then some of that horrific energy was discharged in some strange (paranormal) ways over the last few years.

I have a very troubled subconscious mind and that seems to be an open window for earthbound (troubled) spirits who had earthly vices and don't understand the need to move on (become rooted in self).

edit: over the years since his death i had a short but sweet battle with alcoholism.
i turned to mj and it's a lot better but not perfect.
i don't think about dad nearly so much now and that is how i like it.
the sad thing is the good is also gone with the bad more often than not.


the other side looks better every day (i shouldn't say that here lol). :shocked:

[Hervé]

Someone please try to follow me:

[...]

donk!? Where did you go!?

I was gona suggest you take a look at Truman's work and saw you already did.

The thing with Truman's method is that you can also apply it to periods of trauma, emotional upheavals or points of change. In fact you can apply it to anything, whether mild or heavy. What it will do is strengthen your friend's aplomb if you strictly follow the protocols.

[modwiz]

My dad died in 2008. He really liked a lot of being disembodied, but he missed his alcohol. My sister and I drank our share. Shortly after he died our drinking skyrocketed. He was hitchhiking both of us. Not sure when he broke off because I was in the process of dying. I pulled out of the nose-dive and he was gone. It was an oops thing. Metaphysics wasn't a strong point of his. He was a Republican. :P

My sister is back to normal as well. I do not drink or drug. It is my empowered natural state. A few years ago, things were not so healthy.

Um, thanks for this post;
my own dad died in 2007 -- while my son was gestating, sadly.
I felt very much as if some negative energy had passed from my father into my own life.
And then some of that horrific energy was discharged in some strange (paranormal) ways over the last few years.

I have a very troubled subconscious mind and that seems to be an open window for earthbound (troubled) spirits who had earthly vices and don't understand the need to move on (become rooted in self).

edit: over the years since his death i had a short but sweet battle with alcoholism.
i turned to mj and it's a lot better but not perfect.
i don't think about dad nearly so much now and that is how i like it.
the sad thing is the good is also gone with the bad more often than not.


the other side looks better every day (i shouldn't say that here lol). :shocked:

Two things:
1. Our native neurochemistry is where our power lies. Drugging to feel good is a sign of emotional/psychic pain to be covered. Find it, fix it and go native.
2. We didn't make wrong turns in the spirit world and fall out of a vagina by accident. We put considerable effort into being here. Honor that. See number one as to why two needs mentioning.

[Heather2017]

I'm the broken record (turned up way too loud...I apologize)! Thanks so much, I will check it out, and apologize if I missed it before.

I been reading Truman Cash's stuff today, and kinda want to add it to the list, but that seems to diverge from the hitchhiker into other abductor scenario...or is that a divergence? Ugh, the tendancy to want to compartmentalize (not to mention find an easy "how to, step-by step" fix) is a bastard!

Not at all, Donk. Don't think I've ever mentioned ES to you. I've mentioned Lisa and ES many times before in other places.

Hope you're doing well today. :hug:


We didn't make wrong turns in the spirit world and fall out of a vagina by accident.

LOL. "Hey... How the hell did I end up here?!?" I expect some women would take exception to the concept of a baby falling out due to the labor of their labor, but I'm blissfully ignorant in this lifetime. :biggrin:
I could make a bad joke about your falling out of vaginas but won't go there (oops, guess I already did). :bounce:

There are times many of us ask, "Are you sure I signed up for this?"

As Lisa wrote in her newsletter The Fine Print, "Given what is thrown at you daily, you may have been busy sending several emphatic appeals to the Celestial Management Structure asking for an Earth Mission contract re-negotiation."

[Chester]

Hi Chester you seem to be doing so well...and on a little research since I returned, you seem to have taken over the forum with all your interesting stories. :)


Good to see you back and not really good I have sometimes taken over this forum...

I am gonna slow down for a bit - go out and smell some Costa Rican roses for a bit.

Love to You, Ray (you were the one that taught me that one by the way... it really works when you actually feel it and I do, Ray... I really do - even the guy I now see in the mirror... not such a bad guy after all) - soon it will be time to really see if this planet might actually be ready to move past some things, Chester

[mosquito]

I've just stumbled upon this thread.

Recently I've been experiencing very dramatic and unpleasant changes in personality. Not mood swings, that particular term implies a gradual change, and is part and parcel of everyone's life; even when the changes increase in frequency, there is still a sine wave pattern to them. What I'm describing is more of an instant switch from one to the other. And it's beginning to scare me.

I'll take some time out to do some quiet probing, and report back if there's anything worth sharing.

[kanishk]

In this video one guy was possessed by two entities.

A minister in the church automatically identifies him as possessed by powerful demonic entities in full crowd.
He then tries to make those entities leave his body. But then he leaves him that way for that day. On another day that possessed person comes back with live chicken and then chop his head with his teeths. And on that day minister make both the entities to leave his body.
But on next morning when that guy burns the chicken he had brought in with him in church, he again got possessed by a deaf-mute sprit, and again minister have to relive him from that possession.

In rest of the video he tells about how he was experiencing at that time, and how he is feeling now.

QF-vKrYyqOY

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

In the light of recent forum discussion about entities, some members may find this thread most interesting and valuable. Do please read the opening post for full details, and a LOT of useful information.

[Tangri]

:bump:

In the light of recent forum discussion about entities, some members may find this thread most interesting and valuable. Do please read the opening post for full details, and a LOT of useful information.

After 2 years, I am still disagree on "Hospital visitors, workers are prone to Hitchhikers attacks"
idea.

[Tangri]

I am looking this tread's birth date and become surprised with the absence(lack of) of the Brand new entity attachment experts's contribution on this tread for 2 years. Then my assumptions become skeptic on their new point.
Am I over skeptic, little bit skeptic or not at all,;) on this?

What I understand with my backward research
Bill
Herve
Donk
M6*
Rahkyt interests in this subject is consistent with the new treads. eh?

[Tangri]

Daughter of Time and juststone you should more contribute on this subject.
I know you have same, still untold

[donk]

I’m not sure I follow you tangri, but you did have me looking at a few of the posts I made here, so thanks for that.

Right around when I started the mirror thread, things were ramping up in the mundane. My Ness’ oldest (teen, since I met her) is a portal as well as Ness, they see and feel all kinds of things I can’t. And when things escalated with her, Ness main hitchhiker came out to play again…scary cuz she was not even drinking, just extremely intensely upset.

Getting a peek at this phenomenon a year or so later, after I had barely thought anything of it was a wake up call. Also a measuring, I feel more confident in my perception of whatever this reality is. I have to change my tune a bit, as nowadays I’m not entirely convinced that they are as much a part of her (or possibly even me) as they are independent.

If it is not THE thoughtform created by her past traumas, it is manifest through it in a completely “independent” way. In fact, it manifested so much in a way that was EXACTLY like before, with an added element that made it feel exactly like Roison’s comments that I had read earlier that day (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77754-A-ghost-story&p=910543&viewfull=1#post910543).

Now instead of actively seeking out removal methods, I pressure her to look for a solution. If she doesn’t find a way—on her own, that resonates with HER—to deal with her past, her damage, and the current LIES TO HERSELF about them and herself, there ain’t a trick in the books that’s gonna work.

I think it will become apparent to her when she really embraces TRUTH (which I believe IS love), because that space needs to be filled or it’s pointless…we’re just gonna draw some new dude working on the opening which would indicate she wasn’t entirely healed.

It’s tricky. I just found dealing with every issue, pointing out every lie, talking about every problem…and relate it to energies, how outside energy is fueled by our intent, and she needs to vigilant of the NOT-ME influence, which is very very real (to me, today anyway)