* IF * (IF Spirit) -' Is '- Then why are we still running around as 'IF' -- blind ?

[ljwheat]

If everything is energy in physical form. http://youtu.be/ttwVRNlXPoI

If spirit is the invisible indefinable - yet aware energy -- that is with or with out physical form -- an eternal energy that needs nothing, - - body or form - - lacks nothing.

If spirit comes and go’s with out the need of a body or mind. Then why dose the body need to do anything, learn anything, know any thing? except eat, poo, sleep, earn a living.

If like a butter fly the cocoon is discarded,-- (The body is discarded) -- “ we call death.” -- Spirit calls ascension & incarnation.

Is not the term ascension only what applies to the cocoon? Aware Spirit is already Ascended -- residing or possessing the human condition.

If spirit is already ascended, a light body already in its indefinable whole, and complete in its own light body.

Why would you want the body to ascend and transform into a light body in the 5th dimension or higher when it already is.

When You already have a spirit 5d light body or higher -- living in you?

Why would you need two light bodies when we already have one that EGO isn’t part of.

Ego is part of the body cocoon, shed and discarded when 3D is over. Its never over for eternal devine spirit. Awareness incarnate.

So if our spirit is already ascended and only visiting 3D, and nothing is needed for spirit to simply move back into what it came from.

Wouldn’t it make sense that the real deception and lies are all this crap of the body ascending and how we must go about it? Do this, do that, Meditate here, light this candle, or bond fire, sing or dance a ritual or hum something that makes the body vibrate this way or that. Swear on another mans name, with your hand on another mans book or something meaningful? This to me is pure nonsense or the veil.

Spirit didn’t need to do anything raise its energy level, hum a song, ask Jesus into your unborn heart or prepare for anything to occupying this cocoon. (body)

Why dose it need to prepare, or do anything to move back home were it originally came from?

If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every possible why, Needs nothing, lacks nothing, is perfect in every way.

And will pass over to a higher dimensions with out dragging the cocoon with it. (body)

Then to me, I’m exactly were I should be, the lie’s and deceptions are that I must wake up and do all these crazy physical 3d stuff. And the bottom line is there is no rapture or ascensions --- Spirit is complete and is our higher ascended self already……… :-))

So this whole movement, ET, Religion, spirit guides, ascended Masters, channeling’s, and follow this path to ascensions of any kind are all lie’s.

The truth is I’m a spirit from on high, descended to play the human condition, enjoying the 3d road show now playing on this planet. And all is as it should be. Nothing is going to happen to the spirit that we are. We are ascension incarnate already, the proof is I am possesing this body. (Cocoon)

And ego wants to live too, so its made up all these lie's and storys and distortions to get us hoping that one day too/it will ascend.
Sorry Charlie your just a coat, nothing more.


ZyOdz_WmEzo

1.) Your groth prosses is complete. -- groth was never nesisary to begin with.

As a Ascened Master Spirit that we are. there is nothing we "have" to do.

[ljwheat]

The following video's all contain this basic form of being. spirit is complete. enjoy.........
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[AriG]

A very interesting point of view ljwheat, and perhaps I am missing the point, but how can we presume that spirit is perfect? Have you ever encountered an evil entity while out of body?


If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every possible why, Needs nothing, lacks nothing, is perfect in every way.

[Tony]

Because we are still holding on to something very very precious to us.............. me!

[ljwheat]

A very interesting point of view ljwheat, and perhaps I am missing the point, but how can we presume that spirit is perfect? Have you ever encountered an evil entity while out of body?


If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every possible why, Needs nothing, lacks nothing, is perfect in every way.

Is this a EGO question that ego has learned not to accept what lay's with in?

[ljwheat]

Because we are still holding on to something very very precious to us.............. me!

When spirit has ascened yet again, and me is 6ft under, where did me go. To another baby? or Colt? Kitten or Star?

[ljwheat]

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Dont seek help from your mind!:lalala:

[AriG]

A very interesting point of view ljwheat, and perhaps I am missing the point, but how can we presume that spirit is perfect? Have you ever encountered an evil entity while out of body?


If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every possible why, Needs nothing, lacks nothing, is perfect in every way.

Is this a EGO question that ego has learned not to accept what lay's with in?

I am not sure I understand- are you saying that our egos prevent us from fully accepting evil? If so, then wouldn't it be arguable that ego and body are serving our spirits in the purification process through experience?

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Because we are still holding on to something very very precious to us.............. me!

When spirit has ascened yet again, and me is 6ft under, where did me go. To another baby? or Colt? Kitten or Star?

Through wiser ones than I, it is my understanding that there are incarnations of you throughout the multiverse and that your spirit essence is calling the shots in a form of stasis. You are always with you.

[AriG]

There is nothing more unnerving I am sure than to have a person post and run. I probably shouldn't have. I have to go assist my sister in picking out a headstone for her recently departed husband. ljwheat - thank you for this thread. This is proving so very helpful and interesting to me at this time. I am going to follow this thread and will be back ( if you'll have me :))

[ljwheat]

i gave a walk threw in th OP. I believe we have to do nothing, to ascend we've done this millions of time, what so different now.

[greybeard]

What we truly are is perfect--- complete--with no needs wants desires.
However we do have to remove the obstacles obscuring the illumined state.
OR!!!! we come back in another womb.

Chris

[ljwheat]

What we truly are is perfect--- complete--with no needs wants desires.
However we do have to remove the obstacles obscuring the illumined state.
OR!!!! we come back in another womb.

Chris

I agree, just not necessarily back here. There are allot of different rocks in this universe.

Karma is just another mind set, to control all the have two’s that come with beliefs, Guru’s, teachers, and many religion, requiring a code book of human traits to adhere to.

Ascending eternal Spirit is container less. That men wants to cage. Handing it out in peaces for coin.

[Carmody]

The universe is made of plasma. 99% of the universe is in plasma form. the physics of plasma integration with time/space and dimensions, is different than that of solids.

our bodies operate in the plasma domain,and are connected in that sense. all our chemical exchanges and basic functions occur in plasma function and exchange methodologies, regarding energies.

solids, as we call them ,like the plastic keyboard, the metals in your car, the basic structure of your bones, those are the odd man out in the universe.... to the tune of 99 to one. (99:1)

Thus it is OBVIOUS, incredibly OBVIOUS that dark matter and plasma states is where the intelligence of the universe resides. The energetic exchanges are there and the dimensional exchanges are there, in that medium and flow.

We are part of that system, walking around connected to some bits of solids, exploring the linear time and solids universe/dimension. Looking out into it and that looking out bit has a automaton factor and design to it, to keep it up and running. a program.

We tend to identify with the program, even though it is just a window/doorway formation aspect.

This is due to the program and window/device format, that it cannot look backward (even the word backward is part and parcel of the problem, get it?) INTO the dimensionless and plasma spaces. The solids and unidirectional linear time/space aspects of the avatar/window cannot easily cognate 'that which is not', for it.

[AriG]

. Looking out into it and that looking out bit has a automaton factor and design to it, to keep it up and running. a program.

We tend to identify with the program, even though it is just a window/doorway formation aspect.

This is due to the program and window/device format, that it cannot look backward (even the word backward is part and parcel of the problem, get it?) INTO the dimensionless and plasma spaces. The solids and unidirectional linear time/space aspects of the avatar/window cannot easily cognate 'that which is not', for it.

You are saying that we are computers aren't you (plasma)? Hardware running the software (dark energy) that is the essence or maybe the ignition of who we are?

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What we truly are is perfect--- complete--with no needs wants desires.
However we do have to remove the obstacles obscuring the illumined state.
OR!!!! we come back in another womb.

Chris

I agree, just not necessarily back here. There are allot of different rocks in this universe.

Karma is just another mind set, to control all the have two’s that come with beliefs, Guru’s, teachers, and many religion, requiring a code book of human traits to adhere to.

Ascending eternal Spirit is container less. That men wants to cage. Handing it out in peaces for coin.

Ok, I am getting you now. Really getting it. " It is what it is ", so to speak. So you are saying that if we disconnect from our emotional connection to all things, that we are truly pure and perfect. Yes/no?

[Carmody]

To disconnect from the avatar's emotional overtones... in the realm of that aspect exercising control over thoughts and actions.

first comes the understanding that such a thing exists. Then to overcome the programming itself-- which desires to maintain such things. It is what it is, kinda thing.

eg, what is judgement, other than a function of survival mechanisms that has grown out of control in reach and influence?

[AriG]

To disconnect from the avatar's emotional overtones... in the realm of that aspect exercising control over thoughts and actions.

first comes the understanding that such a thing exists. Then to overcome the programming itself-- which desires to maintain such things. It is what it is, kinda thing.

How do we do that Carmody?

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How do we do that and still maintain our joy? Our spark?

[Carmody]

To disconnect from the avatar's emotional overtones... in the realm of that aspect exercising control over thoughts and actions.

first comes the understanding that such a thing exists. Then to overcome the programming itself-- which desires to maintain such things. It is what it is, kinda thing.

How do we do that Carmody?

edit to add:

How do we do that and still maintain our joy? Our spark?

By doing what you just did.

To realize that a question exists.

To keep asking them. That is the path to the point you seek.

There can be no formation of an answer, without question. One does not necessarily precede the other.

Within the two, which are co-joined, is the given personal meandering of the path.

[AriG]

Shoot - I was hoping for a twelve step program ;)

[AriG]

ljwheat - you may have solved a very serious problem without even knowing it. thank you , thank you, thank you! And Carmody, what can I say? Brilliant as always! I knew we'd find answers on this forum! I love you all so very much. You have no idea what you may have done here.

[Fred Steeves]

Spirit didn’t need to do anything raise its energy level, hum a song, ask Jesus into your unborn heart or prepare for anything to occupying this cocoon. (body)

As a Ascened Master Spirit that we are. there is nothing we "have" to do.

Hi ljwheat, this is precisely why I've been systematically discarding spitituality, and it's multi faceted practices for a while now. A fish doesn't need to practice being one with the water, it simply does it.

We've been led to believe that we have to do certain things, and it's a complete farce. The only thing we have to "do", is be a human.

Cheers,
Fred

[greybeard]

. Looking out into it and that looking out bit has a automaton factor and design to it, to keep it up and running. a program.

We tend to identify with the program, even though it is just a window/doorway formation aspect.

This is due to the program and window/device format, that it cannot look backward (even the word backward is part and parcel of the problem, get it?) INTO the dimensionless and plasma spaces. The solids and unidirectional linear time/space aspects of the avatar/window cannot easily cognate 'that which is not', for it.

You are saying that we are computers aren't you (plasma)? Hardware running the software (dark energy) that is the essence or maybe the ignition of who we are?

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What we truly are is perfect--- complete--with no needs wants desires.
However we do have to remove the obstacles obscuring the illumined state.
OR!!!! we come back in another womb.

Chris

I agree, just not necessarily back here. There are allot of different rocks in this universe.

Karma is just another mind set, to control all the have two’s that come with beliefs, Guru’s, teachers, and many religion, requiring a code book of human traits to adhere to.

Ascending eternal Spirit is container less. That men wants to cage. Handing it out in peaces for coin.

Ok, I am getting you now. Really getting it. " It is what it is ", so to speak. So you are saying that if we disconnect from our emotional connection to all things, that we are truly pure and perfect. Yes/no?

Yes--- we can be very intimate with the experience-- have compassion--but there is no emotional connect.
We are unaffected.
Anything in time is not real-- it is passing through our awareness--- our awareness, which is what we are, is Truth, as it is unchanging, permanent.
By definition Truth is permanent.
Awareness is not dependent on thought/thinking/mind.
It is possible to be completely aware of what is happening without a word/thought in the head.

Chris

[Youniverse]

Back to the original question. You are correct in that there is nothing we NEED to do. Though, there may be much we desire to do or enjoy doing. This whole concept of transitioning to a Golden Age and the shift from 3d to 4d density seems to imply, among other things, a progressive blending of the material and spiritual worlds through increasing awareness. So it's not like much has changed in the etheral realm, only our awareness of it and our selves is what changes. It seems to me this is the whole point of our being here. To remember who we are. And through that remembering to experience the creative process when it is "slowed down" enough to be experiential. Only in the realm of duality we inhabit, may we understand experientially what our higher self understands conceptually.

I believe a great wealth of info. on the mind/body/spirit lies in the available data on NDE's and also research into Entheogens. It sounds like we drop much of what we consider "me" in the physical world and keep the essentials so to speak, in energy form. Neal Donald Walsch's new book "The Only Thing That Matters" offers some interesting insights into this topic. He actually says that our "body" never dies, contrary to popular belief. Of course, his definition of the body is much different than most people's. He says it is only our lowest vibrational part of our body that is dropped when we are done with it or we can no longer use it to serve our soul's purpose, and the "real" body, which is pure energy, continues on to the next adventure. He also adds that there is a kind of consolidation of energies back into one energy body that takes place and some of that energy that makes us "me", i.e. Our personal history on this planet stays here on Earth (in the form of Akashic Records it sounds like to me) until we re-incarnate again and that info. is within our dna. Just thought you guys might find that interesting. :)

[ljwheat]

To disconnect from the avatar's emotional overtones... in the realm of that aspect exercising control over thoughts and actions.

first comes the understanding that such a thing exists. Then to overcome the programming itself-- which desires to maintain such things. It is what it is, kinda thing.

eg, what is judgement, other than a function of survival mechanisms that has grown out of control in reach and influence?

I would say your totally off base with what ever it is your talking about,. OP Spirit eternal invisible, awareness incarnate is the topic, not some science class, in physic's.

your not even close to OP if you even read it, or the video's. get your own platform.

[gooty64]

I like this OP thread.
It reminds of the real me, somehow.

It's funny if there is one recurring ultimate thought that follows me through my life -and especially when I have been lost for awhile- it is that "what was all the fuss about Alan, when you were OK all along"

Thanks for reminding me of this ljw, I always wander off...

[Youniverse]

I like this OP thread.
It reminds of the real me, somehow.

It's funny if there is one recurring ultimate thought that follows me through my life -and especially when I have been lost for awhile- it is that "what was all the fuss about Alan, when you were OK all along"

Thanks for reminding me of this ljw, I always wander off...

Yes! We were all okay all along!

[ljwheat]

To disconnect from the avatar's emotional overtones... in the realm of that aspect exercising control over thoughts and actions.

first comes the understanding that such a thing exists. Then to overcome the programming itself-- which desires to maintain such things. It is what it is, kinda thing.

How do we do that Carmody?

edit to add:

How do we do that and still maintain our joy? Our spark?

By doing what you just did.

To realize that a question exists.

To keep asking them. That is the path to the point you seek.

There can be no formation of an answer, without question. One does not necessarily precede the other.

Within the two, which are co-joined, is the given personal meandering of the path.

what is under the question is my understanding.
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[OBwan]

Shoot - I was hoping for a twelve step program ;)


I found out about a new 12 step program. At the local shopping mall, a man was passing out a flyer with the below information. :cool:




The Twelve Steps of Judgaholics Anonymous
Meeting Information:
Location: In your head Time: Continuously 24 hours per day

1. We admitted we were powerless over judgmental thought and that our lives had become judgmental.
2. Came to believe that a Judge Greater than ourselves could restore us to non-judgment.
3. Made a decision to turn our judgments over to the care of the Greater Judge as we understand Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of our judgments.
5. Admitted to the Greater Judge and to ourselves, the exact nature of our judgments.
6. We are entirely ready to have the Greater Judge remove all these judgmental characteristics.
7. Humbly ask the Greater Judge to remove our judgmental shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we have judged, and became willing to have nonjudgmental thoughts to them all.
9. Make direct non-judgmental thoughts about self wherever possible, except when to do so would create judgment.
10. Continue to take personal inventory of our judgments and when we are judging promptly choose to have thoughts of love towards those we have judged.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with the Great Judge as we understand Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us to not to judge and the power to carry that non-judgmental message.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we try to carry this message to Judgaholics, and to practice non-judgment in all our affairs.

[greybeard]

Bill W did not realise the gift he was giving the world in 12 steps.
!2 great steps for mankind.
chris

[Chester]

If everything is energy in physical form. http://youtu.be/ttwVRNlXPoI

If spirit is the invisible indefinable - yet aware energy -- that is with or with out physical form -- an eternal energy that needs nothing, - - body or form - - lacks nothing.

If spirit comes and go’s with out the need of a body or mind. Then why dose the body need to do anything, learn anything, know any thing? except eat, poo, sleep, earn a living.

If like a butter fly the cocoon is discarded,-- (The body is discarded) -- “ we call death.” -- Spirit calls ascension & incarnation.

Is not the term ascension only what applies to the cocoon? Aware Spirit is already Ascended -- residing or possessing the human condition.

If spirit is already ascended, a light body already in its indefinable whole, and complete in its own light body.

Why would you want the body to ascend and transform into a light body in the 5th dimension or higher when it already is.

When You already have a spirit 5d light body or higher -- living in you?

Why would you need two light bodies when we already have one that EGO isn’t part of.

Ego is part of the body cocoon, shed and discarded when 3D is over. Its never over for eternal devine spirit. Awareness incarnate.

So if our spirit is already ascended and only visiting 3D, and nothing is needed for spirit to simply move back into what it came from.

Wouldn’t it make sense that the real deception and lies are all this crap of the body ascending and how we must go about it? Do this, do that, Meditate here, light this candle, or bond fire, sing or dance a ritual or hum something that makes the body vibrate this way or that. Swear on another mans name, with your hand on another mans book or something meaningful? This to me is pure nonsense or the veil.

Spirit didn’t need to do anything raise its energy level, hum a song, ask Jesus into your unborn heart or prepare for anything to occupying this cocoon. (body)

Why dose it need to prepare, or do anything to move back home were it originally came from?

If my core essence of life is spirit, and spirit is already ascended awareness complete in every possible why, Needs nothing, lacks nothing, is perfect in every way.

And will pass over to a higher dimensions with out dragging the cocoon with it. (body)

Then to me, I’m exactly were I should be, the lie’s and deceptions are that I must wake up and do all these crazy physical 3d stuff. And the bottom line is there is no rapture or ascensions --- Spirit is complete and is our higher ascended self already……… :-))

So this whole movement, ET, Religion, spirit guides, ascended Masters, channeling’s, and follow this path to ascensions of any kind are all lie’s.

The truth is I’m a spirit from on high, descended to play the human condition, enjoying the 3d road show now playing on this planet. And all is as it should be. Nothing is going to happen to the spirit that we are. We are ascension incarnate already, the proof is I am possesing this body. (Cocoon)

And ego wants to live too, so its made up all these lie's and storys and distortions to get us hoping that one day too/it will ascend.
Sorry Charlie your just a coat, nothing more.


ZyOdz_WmEzo

1.) Your groth prosses is complete. -- groth was never nesisary to begin with.

As a Ascened Master Spirit that we are. there is nothing we "have" to do.

Because "god" created the landscape within which "god" could explore "itself." Within this landscape arose consciousness containers that, because they are creations of "god" connect with "god" such that "god" can experience "god."

The ingeniousness about the creation is that "we" (referring to a specific collective amongst infinite collectives) take time to achieve a state of sentience such that we can actually figure out this is the trick "god" played on "itself." Of course, an individual sentient being that eventually wakes up to this lovely fact, finds itself to be nothing but a tiny grain of sand on this vast beach where though we see a horizon, we also know it is ever receding.

You either accept being a child of this "creator" or not. I found fighting the truth got futile. I found accepting this challenging. I found testing this theory out to be invigorating and satisfying. I wish more could try this possibility on for size. Perhaps the planet might calm down a bit and avoid self destruction.

Enjoy the Day (and night) - justoneman