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applecrusher1992
30th November 2012, 05:52
The original posting can be found at : http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3191&start=10







I would like to make a point at this stage.

A number of questions raised on this forum have been discussed and been addressed with multinational space equipment manufacturing organizations over several months.

To cut time short for development, in the upcoming meetings and on this forum we will start releasing the findings of these organizations.

Thus soon we start opening the field of our discussions and investigations done by leading space organizations on the Magravs system.

This meaning that for once and for all we let you know what scientists who worked closely with us over months and gone through every point of the patents have decided and what decision they have made about the manufacture of the Magravs systems having full knowledge about the technology.

These reports are done with full assessment of the technology with intension to industrialize and commercialize the technology.

With this move we show that leading space manufacturing companies after studying the technology in full have independently decided that the technology is valid.

We have kept reports from these organizations confidential for long enough and now that a number of governments have the technology, we let the world to have a look in the operation of the technology too.

Time of government decision making as we promised is limited, and if we see the same process as before with slander to blocking, then the Foundation will release all details that it saves others time to evaluate and assess the technology and hence we can go for the full development of systems for the public by the public.

Please read patent one in detail and understand it according to the definition of the books and I am sure you will develop the reactors in group like this in weeks.

It is time to play universal game, and as the inventor I am prepared to start the game if the forum is ready to take the technology into public to the next step and this is what you have been asking for.

We have made a decision and that is to work with scientists and public as we promised, the governments have had their time and our time for public is about to start.

Let us move to the next step, but please work with your government as their scientists make decisions according to their old understanding and now it is time to play the new game of openness with science and for you to show to your governments your working prototype with the help of others around the world.

You are all welcome to participate, but with knowledge and not to run mayhem.
We give access to limited number knowledgeable and scientists to this process of and teaching and deployment first and then through this study group and their decision as member of public to what to release and when to release of their findings at each stage of development.

Choose your team and once you have done within the next 14 days then we set out the procedure and form work for this study group.

The Foundations development thought group and will not be exclusive and limited to initial members, and we leave the door open to all, but close the doors of control and suppression.

I have a good idea about a few who I think will be good to be part of this study group of the forum, but my decision counts for nothing, it is you who have to check each other knowledge and capabilities and then provide the forum with the list and then we will give you access to very secure position that we can discuss point by point all aspects of design, control and motion in the first place.

Completion time for assessment of the technology should be within 30 days from the set of this group.

The first prototypes developed and made by the group will be within 3 month. So by the end of March, the forum thought study group should be able to show the first system from their point of designer.

We will provide all facilities and cost for development of your prototype.

At the end of the testing, each participant of each nation will get a copy of the working unit to show to their part of the world and not to their own nation alone.
Thus teaching for space technology with world starts from today and now, it is your time to assess each other’s capabilities and understanding of the universe according to your comprehension of new technology.

When you have chosen the team, we are here to serve the technology out to you all.

I think this should bring the space technology in one leap into the public hand, and it will grow among people by the people for the people, rather than us giving you a show and then all asking so what how is it down, now you get to know and teach yourselves and others the full universal process.

You become the peer reviewers of your own technology for the mankind.

I am ready to be your student in this study group if you see it fit to be part of this group as still there is a lot to learn.

We will provide the facility for all your works on the new server as of the 15.12.2012 on the Foundations’ own server which has been bought for these purposes of use in mind.

M T Keshe

Limor Wolf
30th November 2012, 06:51
"Time of government decision making as we promised is limited, and if we see the same process as before with slander to blocking, then the Foundation will release all details that it saves others time to evaluate and assess the technology and hence we can go for the full development of systems for the public by the public."



"Let us move to the next step, but please work with your government as their scientists make decisions according to their old understanding and now it is time to play the new game of openness with science and for you to show to your governments your working prototype with the help of others around the world"

These modalities, I believe, are a reciepe for failure. no matter the Oxymoron that is hiding in these words. The thing is, to try and change the way government thinks and behaves in our days, is not really knowing the nature of the beast. on the other hand, to ignor the government, the way it thinks and it's behaviour towards free energy (a complete and directed supression and operssion), is not a solution as well. we still need to find a middle way to go through this. Awarness to free energy and knowing its blessed potentialities to change our life for the good are the keys to bring it out, so, in effect, it might be that education and rasing the desire first is a needed step, and the practicalities of trying to bring FE working devices to the public needs to come later, otherwise, government with its dozens ways to prevent it, won't have it.

There is a real risk in putting the cart before the horses, and not much has been succeeded so far, inspite of many attempts to ignor the beast's radar or to try and cooperate with it. saying that, Free energy is a blessing beyond belief to our planet! it will hep us grow in more ways than the imagination can think of right now, and an evidence to that can be seen in this thread, which is very much recommended -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29372-What-technologies-activities-or-concepts-will-be-made-obsolete-by-Free-Energy

Good luck nevertheless

Jean-Luc
30th November 2012, 08:25
These modalities, I believe, are a reciepe for failure. no matter the Oxymoron that is hiding in these words. The thing is, to try and change the way government thinks and behaves in our days, is not really knowing the nature of the beast. on the other hand, to ignor the government, the way it thinks and it's behaviour towards free energy (a complete and directed supression and operssion), is not a solution as well.

Lets' at least recognize that what Keshe is trying to do, whathever at first sight grandiloquent and irritating is (why doesn't he show his d*** generator!?) has never been done before at that sort of scale.

No "freedom energy" inventor has ever done this: spread the new knowledge first through government bodies worldwide (i.e. basically the competition game between countries), under the scrutiny of the public eye via instant internet communication; then in case of blockage or inertia or worse damping down, opening up to the public worldwide in some controlled manner.

The only other similar example I can think of, although somewhat different, is Steorn who also tries to dissiminate the new paradigm via teaching and which according to PESwiki is making its way after 3-4 years of trials and errors: http://pesn.com/2012/09/24/9602194_S...nology_Coming/

We all know what's at stake.
We all know that the biggest force on earth is inertia.
We all agree that everything would be much simpler if an obvious "freedom energy" piece of machinery was there is the middle of the room that no one can deny its existence.

Patience.

A limited number of Keshe generators are supposed to be released in the coming 30 days. Lets' see if this happens indeed and how this can help shake the pudding and then move forward with an open mind.

I am not expecting much from any government (inertia, corruption, beast etc.) BUT it can be fun to work with them nonetheless and play the game of their own contradictions once there are faced with the new reality unravelling under their feet.

I am myself in contact with some government officials in Belgium and keping the pressure. My/our task will indeed be easier with the expected release of the first generators.

For the time being, Keshe is still receiving very little coverage in the MSM. Noteworthy this coverage on Bulgarian National TV two days ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR0SgUWIZfc

deridan
30th November 2012, 09:46
governments, and bodies and subbodies and independents.
sick system
(to many divisions, when intention should rapidly precipitate into the thing in itself)

Jean-Luc
30th November 2012, 12:33
Right, one step further as there is not too much expecting from governments as we all know.

Lets' move forward. Here's Keshe interesting update today.
Keep both hands on you hat, it's windy :)


This new reactor is about 12 kg, 50cm height, 30 width has universal construction, and been built in the recent weeks and is 120degree setting base which can have up to three siblings which all can operate independently.

The reactor uses space materials of 'gans' [(GAs + Nano + Solid state)] in layer powder form, so the internal structure and core are in space condition.

The system is highly advanced, but very small and efficient.

The load capability in full flight is calculated to be about 40-50000 tons at full reactor run Mag.

The system has never been tested and just has been commissioned.

I think what you need is to read about interaction of cosmic dust and magnetic fields, which in this interaction usually leads to creation of the magnetic fields spectrum for us to create all conditions of creation.

There is fundamental point which has to be explained at this stage which we have never explained or talked about anywhere before, and that is through our systems development over the years, we have created the specific condition that has led to creation life on earth.

This meaning that for the first time in man’s scientific life, we can explain and show the process of creation of life the way it was done billions of years ago and is done on this planet now.

This meaning we have replicated the process of creation and can explain it in full.
Thus in ruing these new prototypes we have to avid conditions that can lead to creation of another process.

We understand the process of creation of life in full and that is one of the reasons we started the health program and with first conference of the blood and lung first early this month.

If you join this group one needs to understand thing as we go along and add your interest to the section you are interested in.

As I always say before start of any systems we pray for it’s to become developed and hope we will receive a good system to work with. One day you all understand this process as the system is part of you and your knowledge and will carry part of you with it when it is running. Thus one can control systems without physical computers, we all shall learn all of this.

This is not telepathy but working through the structure of the body Magravs.

So if you connect up, we will teach from the coming days with a full system already built, if the government could use it why not the population who is knowledgeable on this forum, as we are the world nation and citizens of one planet.

M T Keshe

http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3191&start=30

Limor Wolf
30th November 2012, 17:10
Jean Luc, I applaud you for all that you do, I respect you greatly and appologise for you having to deal with doubters and 'party poopers' :- Free energy sparkes great interest and passion in all of us, knowing what is at stake and what are the potentialities of tapping the ZPE... there is no doubt that free energy needs to come out to the world and quite quickly, since this planet is on the edge of using its resources and change is immensly needed.

There are all kinds of approaches how to enable this technology to go out. we know why it is not out, and the main factor lays beyond the governmental level, the government is replaced every few years, but the top hidden level is not. doing things in the open, trying to approach the government and recruit the governmental and scientists attention to it has been tried before, we can ask Steven Greer, and, unfortunetly can not ask Brian O'leary. There are others who tried as well.

Aiming to get the attention of the public and the 'Average Joe' was also not very successful up till now, for various psychological and spiritual reasons. Free energy goes hand in hand with spirituality, with awarness, with expanded consciousness and with adopting a wider perspective.

The above are very happy news, but we need to consider that there is no tangible evidence, and history already knew exaggeration by inventors (maybe not deliberate, but nevertheless it happened) it might be best to see rather than hear. but even when taking that aside, the wall that been tried to climb by many is slippery, and there is a guard who is always watching on top. Attacking the wall again and again, in different angles that 'have never been tried before', only proves that the chances to move beyond it are slim. If by any chance, the climber succeed in overcoming the obstacles and get closer to the top, he is at the mercy of the guard which is always on a close watch.

Some of the obstacles that the inventor can tackle does not even require the guard to raise much more than an eybrow, and let the person fall on his own sword.

Dr Peter Lindemann summarized between all else, one problematic point in an article published in 2001 :


" The idea of free energy taps very deeply into the human subconscious mind. A few inventors with marginal technologies that demonstrate useful anomalies have mistakenly exaggerated the importance of their inventions. Some of these inventors also have mistakenly exaggerated the importance of THEMSELVES for having invented it. A combination of "gold fever" and/or a "messiah complex" appears, wholly distorting any future contribution they may make. While the research thread they are following may hold great promise, they begin to trade enthusiasm for facts, and the value of the scientific work from that point on suffers greatly. There is a powerful, yet subtle seduction that can warp a personality if they believe that "the world rests on their shoulders" or that they are the world's "savior." Strange things also happen to people when they think they are about to become extremely rich. It takes a tremendous spiritual discipline to remain objective and humble in the presence of a working free energy machine"

And, although I believe that he has made an erroneous judgment on Dennis Lee, learning what I can from Wade Frazier on this subject, the specific above point seems to have some basis in reality.

The wall is spread and wide, but maybe there is no need in attacking it physically, and simply getting hurt again and again. maybe, just for now, raising the awarness about free energy, wrapping our heads around this second to none subject, bringing our own visions and finding the energetic way to allow it to come out in a more 'natural' flow, will result in it grabbing a hold. I am sure it sounds very naive, but, as we grow with our understandings of how this world truely operates (and far far beyond this world), this is how it works - first placing our requirements in the oven, than, the ZPF itself finds a way for it to manifest :-

But, I guess whoever wants to bang his head on a brick wall, may not be convinced otherwise.
This is where my understanding lays at this moment, Jean luc, Greatly impacted by Wade Frazier's personal experience and point of view. I find the voice of reason there... In the hopes that this approach will be discovered to be wrong, but somehow all the fingers points towards Rome.
Sorry for derailing this thread, I will try not to do that anymore.

Jean-Luc
7th December 2012, 09:51
Our dear Kerry will be interwiewing Keshe tonite (Dec 7, 2012)



http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3526
INTERVIEW M T Keshe with Kerry Cassidy, Project Camelot

FRIDAY 7.12.2012

AT 11AM PST AND 8PM CET


http://www.vigli.org/Keshe/Keshe-Camelot-Dec7-2012.jpg
http://projectcamelotportal.com/



while our dear Kimberley will be interviewing him on Monday (Dec 10, 2012)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52098-Keshe-US-Russia-China-India-Brazil-Japan-now-have-received-the-blueprints&p=594212&viewfull=1#post594212

Jean-Luc
7th December 2012, 15:29
. :bump:

Shade
7th December 2012, 18:31
If there is a link to a recording of this interview could you please post it? Thanks.

Kimberley
7th December 2012, 20:40
The interview is still on live as I post this...

http://www.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive/

This link will get you to the archive also when it is posted

Kimberley
8th December 2012, 01:29
Here is the link to the now archived Kerry and Keshe interview conducted today!!!

http://www.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive/video?clipId=pla_bcf4fdeb-cbfa-4520-a6ca-eca134616952&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

Jean-Luc
8th December 2012, 09:47
In my view an excellent interview. Kerry did a very good job.

Very many subjects covered. The word that comes to mind is authenticity.

After this interview (which I watched between 2 and 4 a.m.) , I am personnaly one step further in believing we are here with something VERY significant, and that Merhan Keshe has chosen a quite unique way to both protect and share the knowledge : giving it for free to all governments which make the request (60% of governements have) and sharing/teaching it to the public via study groups.

Despite all we know about the matrix, the global control system, the greed, corruption and conflicts of interest at all levels, the intrinsic inertia of human society, and all other difficulties, this new way of looking into our reality & universe may well be the needed catalyst to bring about much needed changes, whatever the perils on the road.

I am not buying the logic that this has been tried before by hundreds of other inventors to no avail and that the road is blocked. Yes, we have to learn from the past and be aware of the mountains of difficulties in front of us.

But the future is written nowhere and the cat is really not willing to get back in his bag.

I think the Keshe discoveries deserve our closest attention, one step after the other. This is big. Much bigger than another "free energy" invention.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nphthRyJrqY&feature=youtu.be



After over approx. 1h30 interview, Kerry asked about the release of the power generator later this month, and Keshe once again confirmed that it should be released as scheduled... with a few circumstantial nuances.

BTW, so funny that in the interview Kerry keeps calling Merhan Keshe, just Keshe :)

jaybee
8th December 2012, 10:52
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Many thanks Jean-Luc for telling us about the Camelot interview yesterday...because of your post I caught the livestream...

I agree with what you have said in the above post...

I think Mehran Keshe is doing a fantastic job....and so are all the people who are making the Keshe Foundation happen / work.

He looked tired during the interview with Kerry...but it's no wonder, as he is working so hard to get it all out.

Something very significant IS happening....and in time we will see more of the fruits of his (and everyone else's) labour.

Thanks to Kimberley and the OP as well.

Going to watch the interview again later as I got a bit involved in the chat...which was quite good, until it all went crazy...lol

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