Ice caps melting 'three times faster' than 20 years ago

[Cidersomerset]

Its difficult to know how to take this report ? It coincides with the energy secretary
in the UK presenting a plan for low carbon fuels to combat climate change....

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Also the annual international meeting in Doha of the climate change council.

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The timing is obviously suspicious.!!

Also we were told last week we have global cooling not warming !

So is this more 'Scaremongering' ? by the corporates ?


Earlier thread....
Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions'

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52056-Steady-Antarctic-ice-growth-limits-confidence-in-climate-predictions

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Polar ice melting three times faster than twenty years ago

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Published on 30 Nov 2012 by AussieNews1


A group of scientists has discovered that polar ice is melting three times faster than it was twenty years ago.

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Ice caps melting 'three times faster' than 20 years ago

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ublished on 29 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


A report published in the last hour has revealed that the polar ice caps are melting three times faster than they were 20 years ago.

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The Dailymail on line......

Polar ice sheets 'are melting three times faster than they were just two decades ago'

•The amount of ice now lost from Greenland and Antarctica is enough to raise world sea levels by almost 1mm every year
By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 12:06, 30 November 2012 | UPDATED: 18:15, 30 November 2012
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Polar ice sheets are now melting three times faster than they did in the 1990s, a 'definitive' study of satellite data has found.The amount of ice lost from Greenland and Antarctica is enough to raise world sea levels by almost one millimetre a year.
Since 1992, it has added more than 1cm to global sea levels - contributing around a fifth of the total rise.About two thirds of the ice loss was from Greenland and the remainder from Antarctica, said scientists.


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Back in July this composite was released of NASA images showing the extent of surface melt on Greenland's ice sheet on July 8 (left) and July 12 (right)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2240917/Polar-ice-sheets-melting-times-faster-just-decades-ago.html#ixzz2DvFIayd5
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Climate Change: What the world has to say

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Published on 27 Nov 2012 by NewsAlJazeera


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These are just a handful of topics that will be discussed at the COP18/CMP8 conference in Doha, Qatar. As the global media turns its focus onto the event, we went out to the streets, across the world to find out how climate change impacts people personally, and asked what they expect to come out of this meeting.

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The sad fact is we cannot trust our governments,and some scientists as they are lobbied by corporate interrests.

David Icke presented a good segment in his wembley presentation suggesting
its natural cycles possibly influenced by the military with Haarp and chemtrails.
Which is closer to the truth imo ...Cheers steve



This is a similar presentation
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[Wind]

The mainstream scientists are totally unaware about the things that are happening in our Solar System... They're not seeing the big picture or else they're lying and hiding real information. Our history and science are lacking key elements. Some of them are long forgotten and some are kept in secret.

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Shift is happening.

[Cidersomerset]

The mainstream scientists are totally unaware about the things that are happening in our Solar System... They're not seeing the big picture or else they're lying and hiding real information. Our history and science are lacking key elements. Some of them are long forgotten and some are kept in secret.

I think they are aware, but choose either to disbelieve or ignore it !!

[Wind]

I think they are aware, but choose either to disbelieve or ignore it !!

Ignorance mixed with fear and control. The truth is a hard pill to swallow.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Thank you for informing me who is caring :-)

The energy bill has worked. Now ill have a coffee :-)

N

[gripreaper]

I think further research is needed, so please go to this link, read all of the references linked from this page, do a composite dissertation on the conclusions you can draw from all of the relevant facts, and then get back to me:

http://www.akdart.com/warming21.html

This shouldn't take long.

Or, you could have the opinion I have, that it is about time the darn ice caps melted so we can see the evidence of ancient civilizations who once lived there in lush tropical forests, before the last pole shift. This information would be more interesting to me.

[Cidersomerset]

I think further research is needed, so please go to this link, read all of the references linked from this page, do a composite dissertation on the conclusions you can draw from all of the relevant facts, and then get back to me:

http://www.akdart.com/warming21.html

This shouldn't take long.

Or, you could have the opinion I have, that it is about time the darn ice caps melted so we can see the evidence of ancient civilizations who once lived there in lush tropical forests, before the last pole shift. This information would be more interesting to me.

It didn't...LOL...


Greenhouse Gases

Water Vapor and Carbon Dioxide

Over 97% of all greenhouse gases are natural and there is nothing we can do about them. For example, India's population of one billion people produces more carbon dioxide just by breathing than is produced by all the coal-burning power plants in the United States. Moreover, termites are said to produce more carbon dioxide each year than all other living organisms combined.

Environmentalists would have you believe that the greenhouse effect originated in the 20th century. The greenhouse effect is essential to the survival of life on Earth. If there were no greenhouse gases, the temperature of the air would be about 32°F (18°C) colder than it is. In other words, the world would be frozen most of the time.*

The two predominant greenhouse gases are water vapor and carbon dioxide. You produce both of these gases when you exhale. Between 94½ and 96½ percent of atmospheric carbon dioxide comes from natural sources.* Between 94 and 98 percent of the warming effect is due to ordinary water vapor, which comes from the oceans and lakes.

Please note that volcanos produce more carbon dioxide than all the activities of man. So even if all industrial activity is outlawed (in order to "save the earth"), the volcanos will still keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, and the air will remain just as it is.

It is also claimed that cows and termites produce more CO2 than people (and cars and trucks) do.

The subject of unstoppable coal fires is something I have just recently (and briefly) explored. The Centralia, Pennsylvania coal mine fire has been burning since 1962,* and there are 38 of these fires in Pennsylvania alone.* There's another such fire in Jharia, India, that has been burning for almost a century,* one in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, that has been burning since 1910,* and there are hundreds of coal fires buring in China.* Australia's Burning Mountain, the oldest known coal fire, has burned for 6,000 years.* And of course every air-breathing animal in the world emits carbon dioxide, a little at a time, so the idea of curtailing carbon dioxide emissions completely — as some have suggested* — is futile.

Note: A lot of material about carbon offsets and emissions trading can be found on this page.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Global warming is a by product of a natural cycle. We cannot stop it. The earth has to reset all its resources. Polar ice caps are part of this. Permafrost and caps will melt releasing co2 and rich oxygen. Large deposits of these two ingredients will boost plant and tree growth. Green plants feed on co2 and turn it into oxygen.

If you live on costal areas be sure and buy a raincoat.

:-)


N

[Cidersomerset]

Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions'



It looks like we have global warming and cooling going on at the same time !

With all the weather manipulation and chemtrails in the northern hemisphere
I wonder if that is not part of the problem ??

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Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions' as boffins probe baffling polar mystery

Thursday, 15 November 2012 10:55


By David Icke

Well, I'm not a 'boffin', but I can help you there, chaps. Human-caused 'global warming' or 'climate change' is 'scientific' bollocks.

There, mystery solved.Tea anyone?

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November20127/antarctic_ice_nsidc.jpg


'The Antarctic sea ice cover interacts with the global climate system very differently than that of the Arctic," adds Kwok in understated style. There was much coverage this summer of the record low ice area in the Arctic, but meanwhile another record for most ice was set atop the seas around the austral continent. Holland and Kwok reckon their new satellite research has at last shed some light on the mysterious (to climate science) ice gains around Antarctica, and this is reflected by the publication of their new paper in hefty climate journal Nature Geoscience.'

Read more ...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...-polar-mystery


Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions'



http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/Life/EmperorsSpring.jpg



http://motls.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/...rctic-ice.html




Top NASA, Brit boffins probe baffling polar mystery

By Lewis Page • Get more from this author

Posted in Science, 12th November 2012 11:47 GMT

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Boffins from NASA and the British Antarctic Survey have teamed up to investigate one of the great mysteries of climate science: why it is that the extent of sea ice around the south pole has actually increased steadily over the years.

As the scientists note in their new paper, while the increase is not as big as the decreases seen in Arctic sea ice, current climate models - the ones which predict dangerous levels of global warming this century if carbon emissions aren't drastically reined in - say it shouldn't be happening. This causes people to suspect that the models might be wrong, or as Paul Holland of the BAS and Ron Kwok of NASA put it, the Antarctic ice spread has the effect of "limiting confidence in [the models'] predictions".

Thus it is that the two men have looked into the matter, in particular by probing the movement of sea ice around the coasts of Antarctica using satellite recordings.

"Sea ice is constantly on the move," explains Holland. "Around Antarctica the ice is blown away from the continent by strong northward winds. Since 1992 this ice drift has changed. In some areas the export of ice away from Antarctica has doubled, while in others it has decreased significantly."


"The Antarctic sea ice cover interacts with the global climate system very differently than that of the Arctic," adds Kwok in understated style. There was much coverage this summer of the record low ice area in the Arctic, but meanwhile another record for most ice was set atop the seas around the austral continent.

Holland and Kwok reckon their new satellite research has at last shed some light on the mysterious (to climate science) ice gains around Antarctica, and this is reflected by the publication of their new paper in hefty climate journal Nature Geoscience.

So the mechanisms which have driven the creation of more ice down south are better understood. Unfortunately the climate models which forecast disaster for the future are as yet unchanged, so confidence in their predictions will have to remain limited. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11..._investigated/









NASA on Earth’s bipolar sea ice behavior

Posted on October 24, 2012by Anthony Watts
Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows


http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/699386main_arctic-seaice-min.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/699382main_arctic-antarctic-2012.jpg

September 2012 witnessed two opposite records concerning sea ice. Two weeks after the Arctic Ocean’s ice cap experienced an all-time summertime low for the satellite era (left), Antarctic sea ice reached a record winter maximum extent (right). But sea ice in the Arctic has melted at a much faster rate than it has expanded in the Southern Ocean, as can be seen in this image by comparing the 2012 sea ice levels with the yellow outline, which in the Arctic image represents average sea ice minimum extent from 1979 through 2010 and in the Antarctic image shows the median sea ice extent in September from 1979 to 2000. Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio and NASA Earth Observatory/ Jesse Allen
› View Arctic larger, › View Antarctic larger



http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/2...-ice-behavior/


The steady and dramatic decline in the sea ice cover of the Arctic Ocean over the last three decades has become a focus of media and public attention. At the opposite end of the Earth, however, something more complex is happening.

A new NASA study shows that from 1978 to 2010 the total extent of sea ice surrounding Antarctica in the Southern Ocean grew by roughly 6,600 square miles every year, an area larger than the state of Connecticut. And previous research by the same authors indicates that this rate of increase has recently accelerated, up from an average rate of almost 4,300 square miles per year from 1978 to 2006.



“There’s been an overall increase in the sea ice cover in the Antarctic, which is the opposite of what is happening in the Arctic,” said lead author Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist with NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. “However, this growth rate is not nearly as large as the decrease in the Arctic.”

The Earth’s poles have very different geographies. The Arctic Ocean is surrounded by North America, Greenland and Eurasia. These large landmasses trap most of the sea ice, which builds up and retreats with each yearly freeze-and-melt cycle. But a large fraction of the older, thicker Arctic sea ice has disappeared over the last three decades. The shrinking summer ice cover has exposed dark ocean water that absorbs sunlight and warms up, leading to more ice loss.

On the opposite side of the planet, Antarctica is a continent circled by open waters that let sea ice expand during the winter but also offer less shelter during the melt season. Most of the Southern Ocean’s frozen cover grows and retreats every year, leading to little perennial sea ice in Antarctica.

Using passive-microwave data from NASA’s Nimbus 7 satellite and several Department of Defense meteorological satellites, Parkinson and colleague Don Cavalieri showed that sea ice changes were not uniform around Antarctica. Most of the growth from 1978 to 2010 occurred in the Ross Sea, which gained a little under 5,300 square miles of sea ice per year, with more modest increases in the Weddell Sea and Indian Ocean. At the same time, the region of the Bellingshausen and Amundsen Seas lost an average of about 3,200 square miles of ice every year.


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The ice covering the Bellingshausen Sea, off the coast of Antarctica, as seen from a NASA Operation IceBridge flight on Oct. 13, 2012. Credit: NASA/Michael Studinger

Parkinson and Cavalieri said that the mixed pattern of ice growth and ice loss around the Southern Ocean could be due to changes in atmospheric circulation. Recent research points at the depleted ozone layer over Antarctica as a possible culprit. Ozone absorbs solar energy, so a lower concentration of this molecule can lead to a cooling of the stratosphere (the layer between six and 30 miles above the Earth’s surface) over Antarctica. At the same time, the temperate latitudes have been warming, and the differential in temperatures has strengthened the circumpolar winds flowing over the Ross Ice Shelf.

“Winds off the Ross Ice Shelf are getting stronger and stronger, and that causes the sea ice to be pushed off the coast, which generates areas of open water, polynyas,” said Josefino Comiso, a senior scientist at NASA Goddard. “The larger the coastal polynya, the more ice it produces, because in polynyas the water is in direct contact with the very cold winter atmosphere and rapidly freezes.” As the wind keeps blowing, the ice expands further to the north.

This year’s winter Antarctic sea ice maximum extent, reached two weeks after the Arctic Ocean’s ice cap experienced an all-time summertime low, was a record high for the satellite era of 7.49 million square miles, about 193,000 square miles more than its average maximum extent for the last three decades.

The Antarctic minimum extents, which are reached in the midst of the Antarctic summer, in February, have also slightly increased to 1.33 million square miles in 2012, or around 251,000 square miles more than the average minimum extent since 1979.

The numbers for the southernmost ocean, however, pale in comparison with the rates at which the Arctic has been losing sea ice – the extent of the ice cover of the Arctic Ocean in September 2012 was 1.32 million square miles below the average September extent from 1979 to 2000. The lost ice area is equivalent to roughly two Alaskas.

Parkinson said that the fact that some areas of the Southern Ocean are cooling and producing more sea ice does not disprove a warming climate.

“Climate does not change uniformly: The Earth is very large and the expectation definitely would be that there would be different changes in different regions of the world,” Parkinson said. “That’s true even if overall the system is warming.” Another recent NASA study showed that Antarctic sea ice slightly thinned from 2003 to 2008, but increases in the extent of the ice balanced the loss in thickness and led to an overall volume gain.

The new research, which used laser altimetry data from the Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat), was the first to estimate sea ice thickness for the entire Southern Ocean from space.

Records of Antarctic sea ice thickness are much patchier than those of the Arctic, due to the logistical challenges of taking regular measurements in the fierce and frigid waters around Antarctica. The field data collection is mostly limited to research icebreakers that generally only travel there during spring and summer – so the sole means to get large-scale thickness measurements is from space.

“We have a good handle of the extent of the Antarctic sea ice, but the thickness has been the missing piece to monitor the sea ice mass balance,” said Thorsten Markus, one of the authors of the study and Project Scientist for ICESat-2, a satellite mission designed to replace the now defunct ICESat. ICESat-2 is scheduled to launch in 2016. “The extent can be greater, but if the sea ice gets thinner, the volume could stay the same.”

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52056-Steady-Antarctic-ice-growth-limits-confidence-in-climate-predictions

[Hervé]

Propaganda deliberately chosing one set of conflicting data.

See this thread from this post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=557384&viewfull=1#post557384

[Cidersomerset]

My cynical view is that the Corporates/Elites who run the world know oil will run out this century and as there is no monopoly
on profit and control in developing cold fusion or other free energies.They are encouraging controlled renewables that they
can control well into the future, wind & solar farms, wave power & nuclear....


http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/964142-3x2-340x227.jpg

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2012/11/Screen_Shot_2012-11-23_at_3.02.03_PM.png.400x300_q85_crop-smart.jpg

These are acceptable , but we are about to have another nuclear power station
built aprox 5 miles from where i'm typing !! Not so good , although it will be
a massive boost to the regional economy, thats why its being built despite local
protests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46836000/jpg/_46836565_imagefromfrontpage.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/somerset/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8389000/8389144.stm


http://sedgemoor-consult.limehouse.co.uk/events/12208/images/web/1684795_0_1.jpg
http://sedgemoor-consult.limehouse.co.uk/portal/hinkley_point_c_project_spd?pointId=s1296655969076


http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/resources/images/1729525/?type=articleLandscape

http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/news/9172190.Hinkley_Point_C_comes_a_step_closer/

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Housing-traffic-crisis-fears-Hinkley-Point/story-15019799-detail/story.html

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Housing-traffic-crisis-fears-Hinkley-Point/story-15019799-detail/story.html


Despite these protests we knew years ago this was a done deal !


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http://www.standup4shepton.com/post/3897775460/a-warning-we-must-not-ignore


If anything goes wrong, I'll be " FUCHISHIMA'D ".....Cheers ..

[gripreaper]

This silent animation models what "Earth Crust Displacement" might look like from Outer Space. This "cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis" is today ridiculed in the scientific community but it did have traction until it was replaced in the 1970s by the Theory of Plate Tectonics.

In his 1958 book "Earth's Shifting Crust," which includes a foreword by Albert Einstein, Charles Hapgood theorizes that the ice mass at one or both poles cyclically over-accumulates and destabilizes the Earth's rotational balance, causing slippage of all or much of Earth's outer crust around the Earth's core, while retaining its axial orientation.

Hapgood argued that each shift took approximately 5,000 years, followed by 20,000- to 30,000-year periods with no polar movements and that the area of movement never covered more than 40 degrees.

This hasn't stopped New Age fearmongers from claiming that such shifts could take place as abruptly as in a few days or even hours.

It has since been established by geophysicist, Bernhard Steinberger and others that "true polar wander" has occurred at various times in the past, but at rates of 1° per million years or less.

There are still some scientists who think there may be merit to the former hypothesis of Earth Crust Displacement but they dare not risk their reputations or their jobs by publicly admitting to this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYO4rA12EE&feature=player_embedded

[Hervé]

To give an idea as to who may be behind these hooplas... reposting from the The Arctic is melting, the Antarctic is freezing. What does this mean? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=590496&viewfull=1#post590496) thread:

Interesting article on VeteransToday (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/government-documents-link-global-warming-to-advanced-military-climate-modification-technology/) website regarding the switch made about "Global Warming":


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If warming the arctic was regarded as good for commerce for 100 years why would a discovery that found carbon dioxide was already performing the task for free, suddenly be regarded as a catastrophe to prevent?
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The BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico demonstrates how Big Oil exists in a world of opportunistic pragmatism, no matter the risk to the environment. With an established record of corporate sociopathy, Big Oil would have little interest in what event would cause arctic ice to retreat as long as their long-held dream of new arctic navigation routes and access to previously ice-locked oil and gas reserves was realized. It could make marginal difference if the arctic temperatures rise due to (1) rising CO2 levels or (2) covert arctic climate manipulation.

This timeline of determined Geoengineering projects suggests the goal of mediating arctic climate remains a favorite goal of the fossil fuel industry.

1877 Harvard geologist Nathaniel Shaler proposed channeling more of the warm Kuroshio Current through the Bering Strait to raise temperatures in the Polar region by 30 degrees.

1912, New York Engineer and Industrialist, Carroll Livingston Riker proposed building a 200 mile jetty (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40F1FF83A5E13738DDDA00A94D1405B828DF1D3) off Newfoundland to increase the Gulf Stream’s flow into to the Arctic Basin with the added benefit that it would “shift” the axis of planet earth. The New York Times (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40F1FF83A5E13738DDDA00A94D1405B828DF1D3) characterized the proposal as “amazing”… but not insane.

1929: (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf) Hermann Oberth, German-Hungarian physicist and engineer; Proposed building giant mirrors on a space station to focus the Sun’s radiation on Earth’s surface, making the far North habitable and freeing sea lanes to Siberian harbors.

1945; (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf) Julian Huxley, biologist and Secretary-General of UNESCO 1946-48; Proposed exploding atomic bombs at an appropriate height above the polar regions to raise the temperature of the Arctic Ocean and warm the entire climate of the northern temperate zone.

1946 (http://www.villagevoice.com/2005-05-10/news/polar-eclipse/)Village Voice article from 2005 reporting on theMay, 1946 issue of Mechanix Illustrated that featured several arctic-warming geoengineering proposals. One “brave new idea” was proposed by Julian Huxley, then the Secretary-General of UNESCO, and brother of Aldous Huxley, that would detonate atomic bombs to warm the Arctic.

1958; (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf)M. Gorodsky, Soviet engineer and mathematician, and Valentin Cherenkov, Soviet meteorologist; Proposed placing a ring of metallic potassium particles into Earth’s polar orbit to diffuse light reaching Earth and increase solar radiation to thaw the permanently frozen soil of Russia, Canada, and Alaska and melt polar ice.

1958 (http://www.gao.gov/assets/330/322208.pdf); Arkady Markin, Soviet engineer; Proposed that the United States and Soviet Union build a gigantic dam across the Bering Strait and use nuclear power–driven propeller pumps to push the warm Pacific current into the Atlantic by way of the Arctic Sea. Arctic ice would melt, and the Siberian and North American frozen areas would become temperate and productive.

1958 Russian Oil engineer, P.M. Borisov’s proposed melting the Arctic and Greenland icecaps by spreading black coal dust on the ice, creating cloud-cover across the poles to trap heat and to divert warm Atlantic waters into the polar regions. This scheme was taken seriously by Soviet climatologists. Two conferences were held in Leningrad in the early 1960′s following an initial meeting in Moscow by the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences in 1959.

1958 Atlantic Richfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Oilsand)geologist L.M. Natland, proposed exploding up to 100 underground nuclear bombs to mine the Alberta Oil Sands. Heat from the detonations was expected to boil the bitumen deposits, reducing their viscosity to the point that standard drilling operations could be used. The plan was encouraged by US efforts to find “peaceful uses” for atomic energy. The project was approved in 1959 but the Canadian government reversed their decision in 1962 and declared that Canada was opposed to all forms of nuclear testing. In 2012 the Canadian Tar Sands are, again an issue of international concern.

1962 Harry Wexler (March 15, 1911- 1962) was an MIT graduate and PhD in meteorology. Wexler had been researching the link connecting chlorine and bromine compounds to the destruction of the stratospheric ozone layers, but died of a heart attack while on vacation in Woods Hole, Mass. Wexler had already accepted an invitation to deliver a lecture entitled “The Climate of Earth and Its Modifications” at the University of Maryland Space Research and Technology Institute. (Source) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Wexler)

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Full article: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/government-documents-link-global-warming-to-advanced-military-climate-modification-technology/

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting article on VeteransToday website regarding the switch made about "Global Warming":

The military have been experimenting with manipulation/weather weapons since ww11 and Haarp and chemtrails are adding to the mix .
( which ironically is man made !! )...The trouble is we cannot trust the authorities to tell the truth !

[ThePythonicCow]

The trouble is we cannot trust the authorities to tell the truth !
Perhaps you jumbled your word order there?



The trouble is we can trust the authorities to not tell the truth !
:)

[Ellisa]

Regardless of all the above it is difficult now to deny that our global climate is changing. It may be good for some, but some small Pacific nations have lost land already to rising sea levels and the North Polar area is passable for the first time in recent times to name only two events.

Has it occurred to anyone that in fact we are in a cooling period, but with the unnatural heat production associated with billions more people now? In fact we may have so-far actually fought off the effects of cooling. In the future we will have to change our behaviour in many ways. Some of us we will be forced to move somewhere else to live, and this alone, in a world increasingly hostile to refugees, will be difficult. I have noticed in many blogs that people advocate 'going to the country' as a possibility, as though 'the country' is a vast area with no population. I think 'fleeing to the country' is a recipe for disaster. Do the advocates of this not realise that 'the country' is owned by people who are not going to be thrilled to have a stranger from the city camping in his back paddock?

Globally we seem to have discussed no plans for the future that takes Climate Change seriously. Something IS happening and who really knows the cause? We need to try and deal with the present symptoms and plan for a different future before there is nothing left that we can do to avoid what is beginning to look like an uncontrolled disaster.

[Hervé]

[...]

... some small Pacific nations have lost land already to rising sea levels and the North Polar area is passable for the first time in recent times to name only two events.

[...]

There may be a problem of interpretation here.

With sea levels dropping 5 mm/year for the last two years (at least, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=557384&viewfull=1#post557384) <---) then the conclusion is that these islands are sinking. There are 2 or 3 islands which have disappeared from the maps they were charted on... nowhere to be seen or detected.

Same with the free water passages in the Arctic: is it "global warming?" Or increase volcanic activity on the arctic seafloor, warming the waters from underneath (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50036-The-Arctic-is-melting-the-Antarctic-is-freezing.-What-does-this-mean&p=568960&viewfull=1#post568960) <---)?

In any case, the melting of the Arctic sea ice wouldn't increase sea level since "ice" is less dense than water and hence occupies more volume than its melted equivalent.

At the other end of the earth:


From Robert Felix's http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/ (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/)



Antarctica gains 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice overnight

By Robert (http://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) On September 28, 2012 · 7 Comments (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/#comments)

Sixth highest daily ice-extent area ever recorded.

Warmists scream if one chunk of ice the size of Manhattan breaks off.

But when 2,400 Manhattans worth of ice form overnight, nary a peep from the mainstream media.

I think this is shameful.

Southern hemisphere sea ice extent has been steadily growing in a zig-zag fashion since at least 1979, but nary a peep from the mainstream media.

I think this is shameful.

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Antarctic_Sea_Ice_Area-1979-2008.jpg (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/antarctic_sea_ice_area-1979-2008/)

“Antarctica gained 140,000 km² of ice overnight, to reach the sixth highest daily area ever recorded,” reported the Steven Goddard website on September 26.

“Another day like today, and tomorrow will break the all-time record for most sea ice ever measured at either pole.”

http://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Southern_Hemisphere_sea-ice_anomaly_Aug-2012.png (http://iceagenow.info/2012/09/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-worth-ice-overnight/southern_hemisphere_sea-ice_anomaly_aug-2012/)

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/antarctica-gains-2400-manhattans-of-ice-overnight/


Thanks to Emmanuel Robert, David Williams and Kirk Myers for this link

arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008 (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008)

[Operator]

Perhaps you jumbled your word order there?



The trouble is we can trust the authorities to not tell the truth !
:)

That is a whole lot easier approach though ... being certain that they lie.
Illustrated by this puzzle:

When you come to an Y-fork in the road and there are 2 brothers. One does always lie and
the other always tells the truth. But you don't know who is who. You can ask only question
to one of them. Which question should you ask to get the right direction to your destination?






Answer: What direction would your brother point me to if I need to go to ....

P.S. and then of course go the other way

[Cidersomerset]

Regardless of all the above it is difficult now to deny that our global climate is changing. It may be good for some, but some small Pacific nations have lost land already to rising sea levels and the North Polar area is passable for the first time in recent times to name only two events.

Actually Ellisa you have just reminded me of a report on Channel 4 news I watched the other day.

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Published on 22 Nov 2012 by Channel4News


A group of scientists from Australia have visited a strip of land - marked as Sandy Island -
between the Australian mainland and the French island of New Caledonia and found only ocean. .


The above report makes it sound like it was a topographical mistake.

Seems odd ??


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[modwiz]

What ever they want us to believe, and put money in to help us believe it is not only suspect, it is.....:bs:

We live in a dynamic galaxy, dynamic solar system on a dynamic planet. We have had ice ages and tropical ones. All before the the industrial age. Even a soccer hooligan would notice these things if not else wise distracted and suffering from cerebral alcohol syndrome. :fans: This is not news, it is toilet backup. Pollution is nasty. Period. Always will be. Ice and heat will come and go. Always has and will continue to do so.

This conversation is tedious. Clean up the planet because dirty and poisonous is not healthy. We know there are technologies to free us from pollution and we know why they are being withheld. That is the fooking conversation. Not ice caps. The Mediterranean and Black Seabeds are covered with settlements. Too bad there wasn't a carbon tax, eh?

Let's bring back the Ice Age. Yeah right!

[ghostrider]

The military, in the 1950's, exploding nuclear weapons, tore holes in the magnetic field of earth, the sun's charged particles enter, the ice melts, the tempature rises, the new water weights down the ocean floor, the push forces magma pressure, sinkholes form, coastlines rise and fall, and earthquakes are triggered. As earth tries to expand and heal from the new water, it creates post glacier rebound, part of the land sinks, the other rises, and oil , natural gas , and steam rises from the ground under the pressure of the weight of the new water in the ocean. The earth wobbles under the displaced water/weight , the magnetic fields overlap and make sonic booms in the sky around earth ( strange sounds around the world) . It's our technology that doomed us from the start. We cannot escape our Karma. Believe whatever you choose. Man and his lust for war , cause and effect, action and re-action. Humans did this.

[gooty64]

It's our technology that doomed us from the start. We cannot escape our Karma. Believe whatever you choose. Man and his lust for war , cause and effect, action and re-action. Humans did this.

I concur. This is what troubles me greatly.
There is too much negativity accrued on earth.
The earth and eco-systems are post sustainability and in demise.
I am at a loss to put a positive spin on this one.....

[gripreaper]

I am at a loss to put a positive spin on this one.....

Let me help you. We have a mandate from the Elohim to go forth and multiply and subdue the earth, and take dominion thereof. This mandate precludes for us to do so under threat of eternal damnation, if not followed. Therefore, we are compelled to surrender our power, stop listening to our inner voice, and embrace being damaged goods in need of an outside source to guide us and tell us how to be good little slaves.

We are absolved from responsibility for our actions, since we are incapable of using our own intellect to make decisions, and are required to follow the prescribed path to an afterlife, which will be very rewarding, while we are supposed to suffer here on earth for the good of all mankind.

Thus, we gain absolution through reaching outside ourselves for how to live, and how to remain within the parameters of the prescribed protocols. Any time you deviate from the mean, you are to seek solace and comfort in the knowledge that there are beings of various dimensional essences which are coming to rescue you and save you, and therefore you can look forward while you are being exploited, used, and controlled for the betterment of all mankind.

This should keep you quagmired in illusions, and make you docile and lethargic, without any need or desire to even attempt to break out of your cage, even though your cage no longer has any bars around it, and you are free to go any time you wish. You will not want to, as the benefits and privileges of being indentured to the plantation are too formidable now to transcend.

See, its all very simple. :p

[gooty64]

See, its all very simple.

YAAYYY!!!!:noidea::crutch::croc::humble::spider::laser::hippie::girl_wacko:

PS, did yall know that only 9 smilies are allowed per post?:rapture:

[Cidersomerset]

YAAYYY!!!!

PS, did yall know that only 9 smilies are allowed per post?



Thanks Gooty another Brain cell used up !! ...LOL..

[Hervé]

There are models... then, there is reality, from http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.ca/2012/12/connecting-global-cooling-dots.html:

Connecting the Global Cooling Dots
By Alan Caruba
Sunday, December 2, 2012

Winter doesn’t officially begin until December 21, but winter has a mind of its own as does all of nature. While the United Nations charlatans gathered in Doha, Qatar to try to save its global warming hoax by first calling it “climate change” and then by fashioning a funding mechanism to transfer the wealth of developed countries to those who are not, winter has arrived “early” around the world.

That might just have something to do with the cooling cycle that has been active for the past sixteen years, “inconveniently” blowing a big hole in the global warming lies we’ve been hearing and reading since the late 1980s.

From IceAgeNow.info, a site by Robert W. Felix, the author of a book about ice ages (the Earth has been through quite a few in its 4.5 billion years), here are some recent news stories:

On December 1, “Heavy snowfall severs Russia” told of “Hundreds of drivers (who) were caught by surprise in a 40km traffic jam after an unexpected snowfall and heavy winds.” On November 30, “Finland snowstorm causes blackouts” reported that “Tens of thousands of households were without electricity on Friday as the result of a storm that dumped heavy snow across southern Finland and sent winds gusting up to 27 meters per second, felling trees and downing power lines.” That same day, across the former land bridge between Russia and North America, “Fairbanks – Coldest back-to-back November on record” was a news item what reported “The mercury hit 30 below for the first time this winter at Fairbanks International Airport…”

On November 29, the news was about a “Severe snow storm hits northern Japan” during which it was “blasted by an intense snow storm causing widespread havoc to residents of Hokkaido and Northern Honshu.”

On November 28, “Snowfall paralyzes life in China” was the headline of a report that “China has experienced the biggest snowfall in 52 years. Snow caused power outages in 57 villages, brought down thousands of trees and killed numerous domestic animals. Temperatures fell by as much as 14 degrees below zero in some areas.”

You don’t have to be a meteorologist to connect the dots. It is getting colder in the northern hemisphere of the world. To those who would dismiss this, saying that Russia has always been famous for its winters, that is the equivalent of whistling past the graveyard.

In England, a November 29 report in The Telegraph, reported that “Councils are gearng up for what could be Britain’s coldest winter in 100 years, as sub-zero temperatures and snow follow days of downpours that have devastated large parts of the country.” The Met Office, England’s equivalent of the U.S. Weather Bureau, warned that “The forthcoming cold snap, caused by clear skies and northerly winds, could herald the start of a freezing winter.”

This was not unforeseen, however. In late January 2012, the British daily, The Mail, reported that “The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planning has not warmed for the past 15 years. The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th century.” England and much of the northern Europe and North America was gripped by a mini ice age that lasted from 1300 to 1850.

It is no secret to climate scientists that the sun is in what they call a “grand minimum” by way of describing relatively few magnetic storms, also known as sun spots. Few storms means less solar radiation and, since the sun is the primary source of heat for the Earth that means things get colder here. This is worth keeping in mind when the Secretary General of the United Nations or any other lying politician or alleged scientist tells you otherwise.

In a new book worth reading, “The Whole Story of Climate” by E. Kirsten Peters, the author brings a wealth of knowledge to the subject from the standpoint of a geologist. As to the claim that carbon dioxide emissions are the “cause” of a warming that is not happening, she points out that “The fact is, if human beings had remained hunter-gatherers throughout our entire history, never producing a single molecule of greenhouse gases through agriculture or industry, climate today would still be changing. It would be lurching toward higher temperatures, crashing toward vastly colder temperatures, or at least swinging toward something different from what has been. That’s just the nature of Earth’s climate.”

Preceding the introduction and rise of humans was an age known as the Pleistocene Epoch about 1.8 million years ago. It “was not a time of only monotonous cold. In fact, it alternated between long periods of cold—lasting roughly 100,000 years—and short periods of considerably warming times—lasting about 10,000 years.”

We humans are the result of the Holocene Epoch, a much more temperate, warmer period that followed the Pleistocene and, writes Peters, “From the Earth’s point of view, the Holocene is no different at all from other brief, warm intervals in the Pleistocene…” We are now about 11,500 years into this warmer cycle and, if the current cooling cycle continues and gets colder, we are knocking on the door of the next ice age.

Nor is this a problem only for the northern hemisphere. Southern hemisphere polar sea ice expanded in September 2012 to its greatest extent since satellites began measuring the Antarctic ice cap in 1979.

That’s what Robert W. Felix has been warning about in his book, “Not by Fire, But by Ice”, published initially in 2005. He’s not alone. Habibullo Abdusamatov of the Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences predicts that there will be a sharp drop in the temperature of the Earth starting in 2014. He’s predicting it will last about 200 years.

We are well past when the next ice age—mini or not—should have begun and, if all the global warming charlatans are right, we can actually THANK heightened levels of carbon dioxide for delaying it! However, the truth is that higher or lower levels of carbon dioxide show up centuries after any shift in the Earth’s temperature.

Just as the recent weather reports indicate, lower temperatures, greater snowfall, and other miseries of a colder Earth are in the future of the billions who live in the northern hemisphere. Bundle up.

© Alan Caruba, 2012
Posted by Alan Caruba at 2:07 PM

[Hervé]

Fmr. Thatcher advisor Lord Monckton evicted from UN climate summit after challenging global warming -- 'Escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his UN credentials'

Monckton to UN: 'In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming'
Calls to 'deport Monckton' from UN conference in Qatar


Thursday, December 06, 2012By Marc Morano (http://www.climatedepot.com/contact.asp) – Climate Depot (http://www.climatedepot.com/)
[Also see: New Report from Climate Depot: 'Extreme Weather Report 2012': 'Latest peer-reviewed studies, data & analyses undermine claims that current weather is 'unprecedented' or a 'new normal' (http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18723/New-Report-Extreme-Weather-Report-2012-Latest-peerreviewed-studies-data--analyses-undermine-claims-that-current-weather-is-unprecedented-or-a-new-normal)]


By Jean Chemnick, E&E reporter
Published: Thursday, December 6, 2012
[Reprint from E&E Greenwire - December 6, 2012 (http://www.eenews.net/Greenwire/print/2012/12/06/2) - subscription required]
Excerpt: UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a climate skeptic, gets evicted

After the news conference, and as diplomats gathered for the climate conference president's assessment of how close countries are to agreement, Monckton quietly slipped into the seat reserved for the delegation of Myanmar and clicked the button to speak.

"In the 16 years we have been coming to these conferences, there has been no global warming," Monckton said as confused murmurs filled the hall and then turned into a chorus of boos.

The stunt infuriated negotiators and activists here who gather every year to address what they believe is one of the world's top threats, the steady rise of man-made global warming.

As Monckton was escorted from the hall and security officers stripped him of his U.N. credentials, several people noted that just a few hours earlier a group of young activists had been thrown out of the convention center and deported. Their crime: unfurling an unauthorized banner calling for the Qatari hosts to lead the negotiations to a strong conclusion.

By late today, several activists attending the conference had posted calls to "deport Monckton" on their Twitter feeds.

Full article: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/18726/Fmr-Thatcher-advisor-Lord-Monckton-evicted-from-UN-climate-summit-after-challenging-global-warming--Escorted-from-the-hall-and-security-officers-stripped-him-of-his-UN-credentials