Luke
5th September 2010, 11:29
This is continuation of discussion from "Dollars for Gold" Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5076-Dollars-for-Gold/page3)
Since our reality is a sum of projections by all consciousnesses involved, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3557-The-mess-we-are-in-as-a-projection-of-our-minds) every delusion individual has, affects global scheme of things, enclosing energy in emotional cul-de-sacs, where it just idles pointlessly, or is used by entities that engineered such trap.
Thus I consider seeing things for what they are a matter of great importance, as we need this energy committed toward changing the reality towards freedom.
This post by Peace of mind provides great insight in illusions good and caring people have, that help current system continue to be. Thank you, Peace of Mind, for creating this opportunity. I seriously appreciate it :)
(insights are not in order of original post)
I see your point, but trust me when I tell you that I’m well aware of the propensity of man. However, if man is to go forward, they need to rid themselves of money/currency, It only creates greed. I’m sure there will be some fat cat with sacks of nuggets and militias manning mines. It will just be the same thing…but probably more inhuman.
Delusion: money only creates greed. No it is not. As it was said time and time again, money is a tool used to effectively exchange value. What people recognize as money varied between populations, but rare metals were most commonly recognized. Point is without medium of exchange there can be no trade, without trade, there can be no exchange, and we're back to toiling land using whatever tools we tan make, or live from things we loot or mooch from others. Trade not greed. That some people are deluded that (map) money is territory (goods, food, land, services) it's their problem, as long as this mental derangement does not spread on whole population . Still you blame a tool for mental condition, kinda wrong, don't you think?
Also, by very nature free exchange means freely exchanging of value. If you consider a smile enough payment for your energy- that is your choice, and nobody can stop you from doing just that.
Every "fat cat" out there bases his power on consent of people acknowledging power. It's a matter of system, again. If you deal with those that use power of looting in the same manner you treat those that exchange their energy freely, then you are making world of trouble for yourself.
It’s an exercise to trust in others, I know. What matters, is the way you go about doing things. Energy out=energy in, goes around comes around.
Delusion: Energy out=energy in. It is not. There is entropy involved. The more constrained the system the more entropy. On long enough timeline this means this system is going to die, as there will be no more energy to move things. This is "unity in death" scenario some forces push to. So called "greed" is just reflection of fear of being energy-starved, typical to beings unable to see beyond current system, or hopelessly dependent on it. Problem is, by being stuck in material world we are in precisely the same condition, with only exit option being breaking confines of this world.
On the other hand Attraction, Intent, Allowance, Balance do work and we need to understand how this principles work in our lives. For example: by allowing ourself make judgments about other's life, we open ourselves precisely for that. So is when we decide what is "good" for others.
When we learn how to look at each other as equals, whom can contribute in various ways ( doctor, welder, builder, scientist, teacher, comedian, farmer, gardener, musician, entertainer, thinkers, laborer, inventor, animal care, people care, environmental care,…) we will make extraordinary bounds. There’s not a person on this planet that doesn’t want to live in peace, troubles only comes when we obtain it through greed, place limits.
Delusion: people are equal. They are not. Every single one of us have different knowledge, wisdom and skill-set, and different experiences, some broader than others. Some are more apt to adapting than others too. You cannot bunch people and treat them on 1:1 basis. There are two approach to that problem: you treat people as adults and let them exchange freely, or you create some order/force based system. Now free exchange means there is equal base people can communicate on. This means people are not equal but they treat each other as such, seeking communication and agreement not forcing each other into submission. In other words: equality is matter of perception.
No one should be doing things they don’t want to do…just to sustain themselves in a world they think is a living hell. Most of the world is doing jobs they rather not do…this isn’t right. When we are conditioned to only be inspired to do jobs that supports this corrupt way of living…we are failing. Placing restrictions disturbs the natural flow. We can have far more superior tech and health if there were no boundaries to leap. Being indigeneous doesn't mean we have to go back to loinclothes, either. haha. What I'm talking about is...Responsiblity.We are the only ones creating blockages, why? Holding back others because they don’t have…nuggets…a peace of shiny rock…the same system will create the same problems, nothing will change
Our lives are distorted by the pyramidal energy leeching system (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3095-Society-Patterns). This means our energy does not go where we want, but where those directing the system wants. This generates great deal of fear and misery in our lives. There is very high entropy level involved. It also leeches off energy we should be using towards creative goals. Again , it's not problem of "trinkets" but system we live in and we help to sustain every single day.
Still being in this system we need to take great care where our energy goes. And again - that means going towards free exchange, as systems bordering on chaos have least entropy involved, and they also require moral standards needed to jump beyond material.
We must stop worshipping material? It’s a severe hindrance.
Sure we must stop worshipping material. But we also need to acknowledge situation we are in, without which we cannot make any progress towards going beyond current paradigm. Want is just not enough. As in navigation: you first need to know where you are before taking direction that will take you to destination. If you make mistake in stating starting point, you will not end up where you wanted to.
Over a decade ago, I choose to live meat free and respect every creature on this planet…and beyond. I couldn’t explain to you in any man-made language the amount of love the universe sent back to me. And, I wasn’t looking for a return because doing the things we were meant to do has a beautiful priceless feeling to it, get used to it and the world will open up many doors for you.
Delusion: going meat free changes something. It is not. Unless you consider plant life to be "lesser" beings. As long as we are here in material worlds we kill other beings to sustain ourselves. Choosing one group over another does not change this basic premise. Kramic debt is still there, only you choose to look at it via rose-tinted glasses. This also extend to all organic materials we use in daily life: timber for houses, gas for car, cotton for clothes.
It is very important to realize we constantly borrow matter from the world. Even "our" bodies are made from organized borrowed matter. Fact one need to consider when dealing with the world.
BTW."Love" feeling is similar to that felt in any other sect, as you tap to field of mind-space which is fed by every other vegetarian. This produce similar effect "hormones of happiness" produce in your material brain. This technique is very similar to well known "love bombardment" used by some groups in recruitment. One need to be mighty careful about such effects.
For a species that has the knowledge to prosper efficiently, without destroying the world/and its species…our self pride and indignity will ultimately destroy us…one way or another.
Again, it's a matter of system we helped to build and we are sustaining every single day we function in confines set by it. It could not exists if we would not believe in it, and would not pour energy into it. Problem is, as long as majority of people supports the system, it has means to dispatch "dissidents". Major work is needed to break that situation.
Delusion is just another state of mind, all visions can manifest with enough support. If you believe something is impossible…then there lays the problem
Yes and no. There are levels to constructs we live among. Nations are low level and can be easily banished, not so with causality. By studying reality, you can tell what are things we can change, and what are things to tackle which we need to expand our understanding of things
How you envision the future …it shall be, my only worries are for the children. Their innocence and common sense is always put in jeopardy, raised in a world filled with chaos, and heartless souls...
Children, if raised properly, are quite capable of judging for themselves, and changing world to fit their vision. Problem is, we are constantly crippling them, feeding false values, allegiances, breaking their legs before they learn to walk. World filled with chaos is not something I fear, world filled with machines posing as people is, Order on the brink of thermal death, and that is where are we going, if some forces will have their way. Fear not chaos, as it's bringer of changes and new opportunities.
We have the choice to live any way we choose…there’s consequences in everything we do…whether you like it or not, you always control the outcome…but, will you like the outcome, even more so…have the courage to face up to the inevitable?
There is no other way to do it, but again. one needs to acknowledge the point he is starting from.
We can do this; it’s really that simple…but a fearless intent is reqired.
Peace
That I can agree :)
Since our reality is a sum of projections by all consciousnesses involved, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3557-The-mess-we-are-in-as-a-projection-of-our-minds) every delusion individual has, affects global scheme of things, enclosing energy in emotional cul-de-sacs, where it just idles pointlessly, or is used by entities that engineered such trap.
Thus I consider seeing things for what they are a matter of great importance, as we need this energy committed toward changing the reality towards freedom.
This post by Peace of mind provides great insight in illusions good and caring people have, that help current system continue to be. Thank you, Peace of Mind, for creating this opportunity. I seriously appreciate it :)
(insights are not in order of original post)
I see your point, but trust me when I tell you that I’m well aware of the propensity of man. However, if man is to go forward, they need to rid themselves of money/currency, It only creates greed. I’m sure there will be some fat cat with sacks of nuggets and militias manning mines. It will just be the same thing…but probably more inhuman.
Delusion: money only creates greed. No it is not. As it was said time and time again, money is a tool used to effectively exchange value. What people recognize as money varied between populations, but rare metals were most commonly recognized. Point is without medium of exchange there can be no trade, without trade, there can be no exchange, and we're back to toiling land using whatever tools we tan make, or live from things we loot or mooch from others. Trade not greed. That some people are deluded that (map) money is territory (goods, food, land, services) it's their problem, as long as this mental derangement does not spread on whole population . Still you blame a tool for mental condition, kinda wrong, don't you think?
Also, by very nature free exchange means freely exchanging of value. If you consider a smile enough payment for your energy- that is your choice, and nobody can stop you from doing just that.
Every "fat cat" out there bases his power on consent of people acknowledging power. It's a matter of system, again. If you deal with those that use power of looting in the same manner you treat those that exchange their energy freely, then you are making world of trouble for yourself.
It’s an exercise to trust in others, I know. What matters, is the way you go about doing things. Energy out=energy in, goes around comes around.
Delusion: Energy out=energy in. It is not. There is entropy involved. The more constrained the system the more entropy. On long enough timeline this means this system is going to die, as there will be no more energy to move things. This is "unity in death" scenario some forces push to. So called "greed" is just reflection of fear of being energy-starved, typical to beings unable to see beyond current system, or hopelessly dependent on it. Problem is, by being stuck in material world we are in precisely the same condition, with only exit option being breaking confines of this world.
On the other hand Attraction, Intent, Allowance, Balance do work and we need to understand how this principles work in our lives. For example: by allowing ourself make judgments about other's life, we open ourselves precisely for that. So is when we decide what is "good" for others.
When we learn how to look at each other as equals, whom can contribute in various ways ( doctor, welder, builder, scientist, teacher, comedian, farmer, gardener, musician, entertainer, thinkers, laborer, inventor, animal care, people care, environmental care,…) we will make extraordinary bounds. There’s not a person on this planet that doesn’t want to live in peace, troubles only comes when we obtain it through greed, place limits.
Delusion: people are equal. They are not. Every single one of us have different knowledge, wisdom and skill-set, and different experiences, some broader than others. Some are more apt to adapting than others too. You cannot bunch people and treat them on 1:1 basis. There are two approach to that problem: you treat people as adults and let them exchange freely, or you create some order/force based system. Now free exchange means there is equal base people can communicate on. This means people are not equal but they treat each other as such, seeking communication and agreement not forcing each other into submission. In other words: equality is matter of perception.
No one should be doing things they don’t want to do…just to sustain themselves in a world they think is a living hell. Most of the world is doing jobs they rather not do…this isn’t right. When we are conditioned to only be inspired to do jobs that supports this corrupt way of living…we are failing. Placing restrictions disturbs the natural flow. We can have far more superior tech and health if there were no boundaries to leap. Being indigeneous doesn't mean we have to go back to loinclothes, either. haha. What I'm talking about is...Responsiblity.We are the only ones creating blockages, why? Holding back others because they don’t have…nuggets…a peace of shiny rock…the same system will create the same problems, nothing will change
Our lives are distorted by the pyramidal energy leeching system (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3095-Society-Patterns). This means our energy does not go where we want, but where those directing the system wants. This generates great deal of fear and misery in our lives. There is very high entropy level involved. It also leeches off energy we should be using towards creative goals. Again , it's not problem of "trinkets" but system we live in and we help to sustain every single day.
Still being in this system we need to take great care where our energy goes. And again - that means going towards free exchange, as systems bordering on chaos have least entropy involved, and they also require moral standards needed to jump beyond material.
We must stop worshipping material? It’s a severe hindrance.
Sure we must stop worshipping material. But we also need to acknowledge situation we are in, without which we cannot make any progress towards going beyond current paradigm. Want is just not enough. As in navigation: you first need to know where you are before taking direction that will take you to destination. If you make mistake in stating starting point, you will not end up where you wanted to.
Over a decade ago, I choose to live meat free and respect every creature on this planet…and beyond. I couldn’t explain to you in any man-made language the amount of love the universe sent back to me. And, I wasn’t looking for a return because doing the things we were meant to do has a beautiful priceless feeling to it, get used to it and the world will open up many doors for you.
Delusion: going meat free changes something. It is not. Unless you consider plant life to be "lesser" beings. As long as we are here in material worlds we kill other beings to sustain ourselves. Choosing one group over another does not change this basic premise. Kramic debt is still there, only you choose to look at it via rose-tinted glasses. This also extend to all organic materials we use in daily life: timber for houses, gas for car, cotton for clothes.
It is very important to realize we constantly borrow matter from the world. Even "our" bodies are made from organized borrowed matter. Fact one need to consider when dealing with the world.
BTW."Love" feeling is similar to that felt in any other sect, as you tap to field of mind-space which is fed by every other vegetarian. This produce similar effect "hormones of happiness" produce in your material brain. This technique is very similar to well known "love bombardment" used by some groups in recruitment. One need to be mighty careful about such effects.
For a species that has the knowledge to prosper efficiently, without destroying the world/and its species…our self pride and indignity will ultimately destroy us…one way or another.
Again, it's a matter of system we helped to build and we are sustaining every single day we function in confines set by it. It could not exists if we would not believe in it, and would not pour energy into it. Problem is, as long as majority of people supports the system, it has means to dispatch "dissidents". Major work is needed to break that situation.
Delusion is just another state of mind, all visions can manifest with enough support. If you believe something is impossible…then there lays the problem
Yes and no. There are levels to constructs we live among. Nations are low level and can be easily banished, not so with causality. By studying reality, you can tell what are things we can change, and what are things to tackle which we need to expand our understanding of things
How you envision the future …it shall be, my only worries are for the children. Their innocence and common sense is always put in jeopardy, raised in a world filled with chaos, and heartless souls...
Children, if raised properly, are quite capable of judging for themselves, and changing world to fit their vision. Problem is, we are constantly crippling them, feeding false values, allegiances, breaking their legs before they learn to walk. World filled with chaos is not something I fear, world filled with machines posing as people is, Order on the brink of thermal death, and that is where are we going, if some forces will have their way. Fear not chaos, as it's bringer of changes and new opportunities.
We have the choice to live any way we choose…there’s consequences in everything we do…whether you like it or not, you always control the outcome…but, will you like the outcome, even more so…have the courage to face up to the inevitable?
There is no other way to do it, but again. one needs to acknowledge the point he is starting from.
We can do this; it’s really that simple…but a fearless intent is reqired.
Peace
That I can agree :)