The Bavarian Illuminati - Jesuit Adam Weishaupt

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

This subject might be a useful one because there is been spoken a lot about The Illuminati.

I also know that there is a lot of misinformation on this subject and that is being done deliberate to change the outcome.

I have researched it for quite a while and will now share with you what i know about it.

Lets get back to the Los Alumbrados first.
The Los Alumbrados was founded in 1491 (in Spain) and it means in Spanish:
The Enlightened ones. The order was banned.

Wikipedia states that it was a Christian Order but i doubt it.
The Catholic Church claims to be Christian too which is blasphemy because they worship (Idol worship) Maria before Jesus Christ , and the Pope claims to be the Holy Father , Jesus Christ in the flesh and GOD , also one can buy of his sins , what a joke.

anyway

There has been an attempt to make the Roman Empire truly Christian , Otto von Bismarck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck) created the Protestant Second Reich in the 19th century which the Jesuits destroyed when they wiped Protestant Prussia off the map during the Black Pope's Second Thirty Years War (1914-1945).

so Los Alumbrados was banned and 40 years later ex Los Alumbrados member Ignatius Loyola founded the Society of Jesus in 1534 , but he was a puppet of Francis Borgia the 4th Duke (Ptolemaic papal Bloodline) who was a Great grandson of Pope Alexander VI Borgia and the son of Juan de Borgia the 3rd Duke of Grandia and Joana of Aragon who on her turn was the daughter of Alfonso of Aragon (Archbischop of Zaragoza) who was on his turn a son Ferdinand the Catholic which is King Ferdinand II of Aragon
http://www.robinsonlibrary.com/history/spain/spain/1479/graphics/ferdinand.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_II_of_Aragon
and that's the man who funded Christopher Columbus in 1492 ! Please be aware that Columbus brought truly the first world war in Native America ! 59 Milllion Native Americans were killed and then we also have The Maya's and The Inca's ! We could say this was all Roman Crusades / Inquistions , sad but true.

Well anyway Ignatius Loyola was not a jew as many websites would like to tell you.
Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish Noble from a wealthy Spanish Noble Family.

And besides in 1492 most Sephardic jews were being expelled from Spain during The Inquisitions. Christopher Columbus he was a Jew but he served The Catholic Church , he was funded by King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella (both devoted catholics) with gold that was taken from the expelled jews.

Ok The Society of jesus was founded by Ignatius Loyola and Francis Borgia

Ignatius Loyola
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg/180px-St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg
Francis Borgia
http://www.nndb.com/people/174/000092895/st-francis-borgia-1.jpg
, there was even another man involved his name was Pierre Fabre (Peter Faber)
Faber was born in 1506 to a peasant family in the village of Villaret, in the former Duchy of Savoy (now Saint-Jean-de-Sixt in the French Department of Haute-Savoie).
Peter Faber
http://www.library.fordham.edu/whatsnew/faber.jpg

These 3 man were all Jesuit Superior generals.

The Order was based on Aragon Templarism and the Ancient Mystery schools from The Hassassins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins
Ignatius Loyola has been in Jerusalem.

The Order was approved by Pope Paul III (Alessandro Farnese) in 1540 to carry out the Counter Reformation started by:

Martin Luther (Born 10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) was a German monk, priest, professor of theology and important figure of the Protestant Reformation. He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment for sin could be purchased with money.

The Papacy was losing temporal power over large areas of Europe all the Protestant countries they did not control anymore. That's why The Society of Jesus was Created.

Now lets skipp to 1773

In 1773 "Infallible" Pope Clement 14 banned the Jesuit Order by a perpetual decree due to public outcries against the Jesuit ORDO AB CHAO method of causing false flag terror, political unrest, assassinations, etc etc.

The jesuits were being banned in 83 countries and were unable to carry out their Counter Reformation (Infiltrating The Protestant Churches)
This is also interesting , King George III gave them shelter ! and That's how they got in control of the British Crown !!!!

Anyway they had to come up with a plan to keep their counter reformation going !
They trained Adam Weishaupt on Igolstad University. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit.
Here is too a lot of confusion , many will say he was Jewish or a Crypto Jew , let say this , wether he was a Jew or Not its not that important , what's important is to know that the Jesuits controlled him !

Anyway They used Adam Weishaupt to create The Bavarian Illuminati (based on Jacobinism) and what they did was , they brough Papal Jews (Pope serving catholic Jews) to places of High power , Meier Amschel Bauer the Goldsmid from Frankfurt was invited to become a Knight of Malta , that's where he changed his name into Meier Amschel Roth Schild (Red - Shield) !
http://www.ordendemaltacuba.com/SiteImages/SOM%20website%20of%20Rome%20Order%20of%20Malta.jpg
And he became The Guardian of The Vatican Treasury , so this was a very succesful tactic of The jesuits to bring Papal Jews to places of Power as a front to hide behind and keep in power, at the same time later on the People would all blame The JEWS in general !

They say Adam Weishaupt left the Jesuits in 1775 but that is a trick that they have used more. The Bavarian Illumnati was created on 1 May 1776.
On the dollar bill we will find the year 1776 in the base of the Piramid in Roman letters,

Pope Clement XIV was later poisoned for banning them and his successor Pope Pius wrote a Papal Bull in 1814 that the Jesuits could never be banned again worldwide.
Its since 1814 that The Jesuit Superior General became the most powerful man on earth adviced by The Ptolemaic Papal Bloodlines that in this way could get more to the background out of the picture.

Here are some video's to back up my claims.

Dave Cleveland is a great researcher but he states that Adam Weishaupt was a Crypto Jew ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ebvapX2Rs&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=49

This video is great it goes in deep details but fails to mention the Papal Jews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZjix3Os6o&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=3

The Origins of The ALL SEEING EYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYcbRtrnzUE&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=1

I also want to add that i hope that its already pretty clear for you all that the so called Top Illuminati Bloodlines are not the top at all , these families have gotten wealthy from The British East India Trade and have risen to power by The Bavarian Illuminati. Yes they work together with The Black Venetian Nobility (Ptolemaic Papal Bloodlines) Vatican Knighthoods and The Society of Jesus.

See here The papacy orchistrating The Europian Union Constitution which has been signed by 33rd degree Knight of Malta Tony Blair

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbXOC56Adg&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=6

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

This link is pretty interesting because we can find lots of Photo's of Royalties all around the world that had been knighted into various Vatican Knighthoods , there is a big chance that it derived from The British East India Trade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_honorary_British_knights_and_dames

[ghostrider]

the entire continent of south america speaks spanish, the entire continent of north america speaks english. England vs Spain to control the world. Must have been tough killing Indians and stealing gold from peru. Killers and thieves sailing the then known world like pirates in a race to see who will have the most toys. Spanish belongs in Spain, English belongs in England , we should speak American. Nation building has been around a long time. The romans tried it. What is with the minds of these maniacs, I wanna control the world, fire the laser, send in the army, the navy , kill em all, take their gold, take their land, take their language, take their religion, take their culture, I glad my ancestors lived in harmony with nature otherwise England and Spain would speak cherokee.

[The23rdman]

It is classic alpha male reptilian brain behaviour to want to divide and conquer. Our task is to raise our vibrational fields and recognise the majesty in everyone we meet. Knowing history of conquest and how the world is being ravaged today is only useful if we use it to rise above

[Lifebringer]

Was there ever a black Pope? I heard the one that stood to be seated, was overruled by "church/political factions" and put the SS German Nazi Camp guy in.

Probably why religion got all punitive over the last 600 years instead of peace.

Seems wickedly blasphemous, that he's forgiven himself and anointed himself power for the families.

There is only one guy that fits the "anti-christ" description to a t and his name is Lischenko and he has been shall we say, banned from the world markets because of his "arrogance in stating he's an open dictator winning all the elections and anyone that runs against him, is killed. This is the reason the UN and NATO nations don't deal with him.

If they think he's dangerous and fear him, couldn't they be the ones feeding the negative ones?

Oh, I'm serious on the question: "Why did they call the POPE, the Black Pope? Just the explanation, because they had black knights back then.

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

Was there ever a black Pope? I heard the one that stood to be seated, was overruled by "church/political factions" and put the SS German Nazi Camp guy in.

Probably why religion got all punitive over the last 600 years instead of peace.

Seems wickedly blasphemous, that he's forgiven himself and anointed himself power for the families.

There is only one guy that fits the "anti-christ" description to a t and his name is Lischenko and he has been shall we say, banned from the world markets because of his "arrogance in stating he's an open dictator winning all the elections and anyone that runs against him, is killed. This is the reason the UN and NATO nations don't deal with him.

If they think he's dangerous and fear him, couldn't they be the ones feeding the negative ones?

Oh, I'm serious on the question: "Why did they call the POPE, the Black Pope? Just the explanation, because they had black knights back then.

The Pope is not The Black Pope , maybe in the past he was , but since 1814 The Black Pope (Jesuit Superior General) picks the Pope and if he not obey's then he gets killed in one or the other way , same counts for Kings / Queens and Presidents.
(Think about Abraham Lincoln or John F Kennedy)

Here is a short history on Black popes. (Sinister end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNy271rx9E&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=51

The Jesuit Oath - 4th Vow (Warning Disturbing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6dn4eMLDLo&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=50
I want to add here that 2% of the whole Jesuit order has taken the 4th Vow that is around 400 Jesuits , when they have taken this oath they will anything the superior general asks them to do , assassinations , sacrificing their lives , etc

[Dorjezigzag]

It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open mind and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.


Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.

http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/2008/09/a-brief-encounter-with-adam-weishaupt-in-1804/

I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

NgSbaKpCjq4

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.


Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.

http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/2008/09/a-brief-encounter-with-adam-weishaupt-in-1804/

I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

NgSbaKpCjq4


Well put but its not the truth.
If you can put 1 and 1 = 2 together then you can come a far way using your logic.

The CIA for example was created by William Donovan and William Donovan was a Knight of Malta and also the founder of the OSS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/William_Donovan.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_blackwater12.htm

The CIA has a massive role in bringing cocaine into Los Angeles which triggered all the Gang wars.
All the Intelligence Agency's around the world are ALL controlled by The Jesuit Superior General , so this man is wrong in stating that nobody is in control. And then we have Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy FACTS , there is a big difference between the two of them.
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/12547_440990042622670_434285402_n.jpg
How the CIA Helped Create the Crack Epidemic and The Gang Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBz74W5C1c

Secrets of the CIA - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ni1H0_Pt58

[Flash]

the black pope is not the actual pope, the German, but the actual chief of the Jesuit order. He is the one called the "Black Pope) lifebringer.

[Dorjezigzag]

The CIA for example was created by William Casey and William Casey was a Knight of Malta and also the founder of the OSS

Well again you are not entirely accurate here and just because he is allegedly a Knight of Malta is not proof of a conspiracy, I'm sure if you looked at all the various heads of the CIA over the years you would see all kinds of religious affinities.

William Joseph Casey (March 13, 1913 – May 6, 1987) was the Director of Central Intelligence (CIA) from 1981 to 1987, he did not create the CIA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey

Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. and its first director was I believe Sidney William Souers
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/history-of-the-cia/index.html

Just seen that you have changed the creator of the CIA from William Joseph Casey to William J Donovan, well although he had a large part in its creation, being one of the advisors you could not say that he was the creator, officialy it was created by president Truman.

I am not sure about him being a knight of Malta, but i do know he was a Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of The Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant . Awarded by Thailand.

What would the conspiracy theorists have to say about that?

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

The CIA for example was created by William Casey and William Casey was a Knight of Malta and also the founder of the OSS

Well again you are not entirely accurate here and just because he is a night of Malta is not proof of a conspiracy, I'm sure if you looked at all the various heads of the CIA over the years you would see all kinds of religious affinities.

William Joseph Casey (March 13, 1913 – May 6, 1987) was the Director of Central Intelligence (CIA) from 1981 to 1987, he did not create the CIA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey

Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947 establishing the CIA. and its first director was I believe Sidney William Souers
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/history-of-the-cia/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan
Not William Casey , William Donovan (The father of the CIA, “Wild Bill” Donovan, was a Knight of Malta. In order to be a director of the CIA you must be a crusading Knight of Malta and it doesn’t hurt if you are a member of Skull and Bones either. ) , My fold i made a slight mistake typing :), every head of The CIA is a Knight of Malta , George J Tenet (911) was and Leon Panetta also , William Casey was also a Knight of Malta , it has nothing to do with Religion other then the Luciferain Religion since all Knights of Malta's are High Level York Rite Masons controlled by The Equestrian Order of The Holy Sepulchre and The High Jesuits

Harry Truman was a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemason and High level Shriner
Truman had a big role in the creation of The Masonic Fascist State Israel

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

the black pope is not the actual pope, the German, but the actual chief of the Jesuit order. He is the one called the "Black Pope) lifebringer.

Lifebringer ? What about death and destruction , they are behind all major wars !
and many other life threathening agenda's , like Aids , Monsanto , Nuclear Energy , The Medical Industry , The Farmaceutical Industry , suppression of new way's of energy so Oil and pollution keeps damaging us , The Mexican Gulf Oill Spill was not an Accident. and Haarp ? Chemtrails and more.

Ever heard of The Iron Mountain Report ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5afnT4pW7SU&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=29


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRT3LWHpVS4&list=PLsMKnscQ_IXU-x1jXd9SIyCGkcmbpTMrr&index=28

[Dorjezigzag]

every head of The CIA is a Knight of Malta , George J Tenet (911) was and Leon Panetta also , William Casey was also a Knight of Malta

This is interesting but again I cannot see any hard evidence of this. I present this source.


Because of its secretive proceedings, unique political status, and association with the Crusades, the order has been a popular target for conspiracy theorists. Alleged members have included former CIA Directors William Casey and John McCone, Chrysler Chairman Lee Iacocca, and GOP fixture Pat Buchanan, though none have ever acknowledged membership

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/19/who_are_the_knights_of_malta_and_what_do_they_want?wpisrc=obnetwork&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d623aa019c3f1c4%2C0

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

every head of The CIA is a Knight of Malta , George J Tenet (911) was and Leon Panetta also , William Casey was also a Knight of Malta

This is interesting but again I cannot see any hard evidence of this. I present this source.


Because of its secretive proceedings, unique political status, and association with the Crusades, the order has been a popular target for conspiracy theorists. Alleged members have included former CIA Directors William Casey and John McCone, Chrysler Chairman Lee Iacocca, and GOP fixture Pat Buchanan, though none have ever acknowledged membership
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6566-Who-Are-the-Knights-of-Malta-and-What-Do-They-Want

Please know this and then do the math. I'm going to give you facts and they are all provable.

George J Tenet is a Knight of Malta , Prescot Bush was a Knight of Malta ,H.W Bush is a Knight of Malta , Prescot Bush Junior is a Knight of Malta , Rudoplh Guilliani is a Knight of Malta , Rupert Murdoch is a Knight of Malta , Rick Santorum is a Knight of Malta , Joe Biden is a Knight of Malta and its even being said The Barry Davis (Obama) is a Knight of Malta too but i have no proof for that yet. Henry Kissinger is a Knight of Malta , Brezinski is a Knight of Malta , George Soros is a Knight of Malta , Peter G Peterson is a Knight of Malta

The Older David Rockefeller was a Knight of Malta
Meier Amschel Rotschild was a Knight of Malta
Reihard Ghelen was a Knight of Malta
Benito Mussolini was a Knight of Malta
Queen Elizabeth II is a Dame of Malta

The Head of all 3 SMOM branches in the USA is The Archbischop of NY who also controls The Knights of Columbus and The CFR overseen by The Jesuits of Georgetown and Fordham University
Former Arch bischop of NY Cardinal Edward Egan (Major hand in 911)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GK9vk5xxaSs/S13zmQsgbYI/AAAAAAAAEP4/KkFnF1m_0UU/s1600/Cardinal+Egan.jpg

The New Military Vicar Timothy Dolan
http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2012/08/0521-Catholic-Timothy-Dolan_jpg_full_600.jpg



The Knights of Malta are The Merchants of The Earth.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A0Dzympdyi8/T8Lc9_qkKZI/AAAAAAAAAkY/G6ypoPSxslk/s1600/Knights%2Bof%2BMalta%2B-%2BThe%2BPope%2B-%2BCatholic%2BChirch%2B-%2BVatican%2Bbiggest%2Bfinancial%2Bpower%252C%2Bwe alth%2Baccumulator%252C%2Bpoperty%2Bowner.jpg
Here we see Matthew Festing the 79th Grandmaster of The Order together with Pope Benedict
http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/matthew_festing_pope_benedict.jpg

well i can go on and on here are some membership lists and see what you get.

I will say that not all lists are totally correct.
http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=17908

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/kmlst1.htm

http://vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.nl/2012/05/knights-of-malta-initial-membership.html

http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress/?p=18843

http://partyflock.nl/flocktopic/51000:The_Sovereign_Council_of_the_Order_of_Malta.html

Here is the original site and it will show you they are hiding their members.
http://www.orderofmalta.int/the-order-and-its-institutions/310/the-knights-of-malta/?lang=en

Then also know this Cardinal Francis Spellman was also The Archbischop of NY and he was behind The John F Kennedy Assassination and The Vietnam war , called Spelly's war.

I will do a Treat on this soon.

[Flash]

It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.


Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.

http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/2008/09/a-brief-encounter-with-adam-weishaupt-in-1804/

I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

NgSbaKpCjq4


Well put but its not the truth.
If you can put 1 and 1 = 2 together then you can come a far way using your logic.

The CIA for example was created by William Donovan and William Donovan was a Knight of Malta and also the founder of the OSS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/William_Donovan.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_blackwater12.htm

The CIA has a massive role in bringing cocaine into Los Angeles which triggered all the Gang wars.
All the Intelligence Agency's around the world are ALL controlled by The Jesuit Superior General , so this man is wrong in stating that nobody is in control. And then we have Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy FACTS , there is a big difference between the two of them.
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/12547_440990042622670_434285402_n.jpg
How the CIA Helped Create the Crack Epidemic and The Gang Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaBz74W5C1c

Secrets of the CIA - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ni1H0_Pt58

the secret of the CIA is very good, the whole 5 videos are very good. Mostly for the large public. This should be a thread of itself and going into the web at large.

[Dorjezigzag]

Please know this and then do the math. I'm going to give you facts and they are all provable

You just gave me a list of names that is not proof that is a list!


I accept it as a possibility, I will not do the maths untill I see more evidence, not claims with no evidence made by conspiracy web sites.

Bilderberg I believe, Skull and Bones I believe- many have confirmed their membership, I believe the Masons have an agenda- many powerful people have confirmed their membership, which could be interpreted as a conspiracy, The Catholic church have their agenda, another conspiracy. In the East there are further groups and organisations with an agenda, a conspiracy. Sometimes these groups work together some times they don't. Many conspiracies tripping over other conspiracies ultimately leading to well the mess that we live in today.

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

Please know this and then do the math. I'm going to give you facts and they are all provable

You just gave me a list of names that is not proof that is a list!


I accept it as a possibility, I will not do the maths untill I see more evidence, not claims with no evidence made by conspiracy web sites.

Bilderberg I believe, Skull and Bones I believe- many have confirmed their membership, I believe the Masons have an agenda- many powerful people have confirmed their membership, which could be interpreted as a conspiracy, The Catholic church have their agenda, another conspiracy. In the East there are further groups and organisations with an agenda, a conspiracy. Sometimes these groups work together some times they don't. Many conspiracies tripping over other conspiracies ultimately leading to well the mess that we live in today.


Maybe you should watch the new Treat on the assassination of John F Kednnedy then.

I tell you nothing in their Hierarchial organization structure has changed , Nothing , they never change and that is their weak spot which makes it easier to expose it ! History repeats its self , you better wake up instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you.
This is not over one night Ice , we have been researching this all for the past 3 years and i was lucky to find some of the best researchers on my way , and if your smart you try to be part of that process , which you already do in this treat.
We all still have to learn me too , but certain thing we know for sure and that will be the basis for further research.

But sure i respect your suspicion for we all should think for ourselfs and never follow anyone blind.

Greets

[Dorjezigzag]

you better wake up

If only you knew what I know
But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn



instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you

I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching this particular topic since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

you better wake up

If only you knew what I know
But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn



instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you

I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.


Please don't feel offended by the words...please do understand that i had countless conversations like this where i had to explain it all over and over again , If was not sure about it i would not post it or i would add to it that i'm not sure about it !

Your input is valued and a little discussion is never bad , but i got a bit fed up with it , excuse maybe i was getting a little tired.. me too i also still have to learn a lot , that's why i share what i DO know so that can be a basis to work on and that it might expand in the comment section , so that it gets a fairly good picture.

I hope you can understand why i'm getting a little short here , i have to deal with various ridicules everyday (on You Tube) in everyway and the clock keeps ticking. The faster humanity will understand the truth the better , i know that it won't go any faster if i react in such short way's , it was my intuition and habit maybe ? . I also did not ment to hurt your ego

Yes The Order of The Elephant , i just recently took a look at it , its a danish order and i'm pretty sure it had connections to the Teutonic Knights in the past and probably still today.

I wanted to do a Thread on all The Knighthoods , but i think there are too many too treat em all , its a network of royalities and knights. All the Knighthoods are connected to The Vatican and also to Freemasonry

[panopticon]

NgSbaKpCjq4

Thanks for this vid Dorjezigzag.
People like to have an enemy they can rail against.
They like to scream at that enemy.

Many find it simply too horrific to contemplate that we are rudderless.

Yeah, I reckon there are those who think they have control and power, and it's very possible to track them and their "bloodline" back generations, to analyse how they have accumulated/inherited power and talk about it with authority. People traditionally gather in groups which have similar interests and social status. From this it is easy to see that those who are members of a particular group may well be a member because of social conditioning. They get status within the social field by gaining respect from others in that field. This status can disappear very quickly if there is a change in circumstances (for example money, health) and the individual/group becomes suddenly all to aware of how little power they actually had.

It is my view that this all part of the temporary nature of power, all part of its illusion, all part of its appeal.

Of course there are interrelated layers and levels involved in this and I am only talking about one aspect of Money, Control and Power (MCP). It is way to complex a subject to write about in toto, rather aspects of MCP can be pointed at and used as examples of how to trace it.

That is what I view WeAreONEbigFamily is doing. Pointing at complex interrelationships and looking at the way they interact through the MCP lens.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Dorjezigzag]

you better wake up

If only you knew what I know
But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn



instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you

I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.


Please don't feel offended by the words...please do understand that i had countless conversations like this where i had to explain it all over and over again , If was not sure about it i would not post it or i would add to it that i'm not sure about it !

Your input is valued and a little discussion is never bad , but i got a bit fed up with it , excuse maybe i was getting a little tired.. me too i also still have to learn a lot , that's why i share what i DO know so that can be a basis to work on and that it might expand in the comment section , so that it gets a fairly good picture.

I hope you can understand why i'm getting a little short here , i have to deal with various ridicules everyday (on You Tube) in everyway and the clock keeps ticking. The faster humanity will understand the truth the better , i know that it won't go any faster if i react in such short way's , it was my intuition and habit maybe ? . I also did not ment to hurt your ego

Yes The Order of The Elephant , i just recently took a look at it , its a danish order and i'm pretty sure it had connections to the Teutonic Knights in the past and probably still today.

I wanted to do a Thread on all The Knighthoods , but i think there are too many too treat em all , its a network of royalities and knights. All the Knighthoods are connected to The Vatican and also to Freemasonry

I think it is great what you are doing, It is great to have a passion which you obviously do, but the devil is always in the detail, all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced. I think it helps to be aware of the counter arguments in order to build up a case.

The order of the white elephant I was referring to is actually a Thai chivalric order. ;), William J Donovan did receive this honour amongst many others but I have seen no official mention of him being a knight of Malta.

Go to the bottom of his Wikipedia page and you can see his many honours, you may be interested in those from the Vatican.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan

[ThePythonicCow]

... but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.
Questions, and sharing one's own knowledge, both within a healthy dialog involving useful answers, is usually helpful, yes.

However repeated demands ("need to see the evidence") on another, seemingly from a claimed ("been researching ... since the early 1990's") and assumed ("apologize if you feel humiliated") position of superiority, risk being distracting, unhelpful and arrogant.

It is fine to ask others for more evidence, but accept that it is their choice what to say and when.

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all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced
You have made that point clear.

[Dorjezigzag]

... but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.
Questions, and sharing one's own knowledge, both within a healthy dialog involving useful answers, is usually helpful, yes.

However repeated demands ("need to see the evidence") on another, seemingly from a claimed ("been researching ... since the early 1990's") and assumed ("apologize if you feel humiliated") position of superiority, risk being distracting, unhelpful and arrogant.

It is fine to ask others for more evidence, but accept that it is their choice what to say and when.

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all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced
You have made that point clear.


You cannot claim something is provable without the proof. You can say it is my opinion or I believe but a claim was made that it was provable and it was not. I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards

To many people want to come across as they know the absolute truth and present opinion as fact, I never at any time told him he was wrong, he has since told me I was helpful.


So Paul no mention of the 'you need to wake up', which was put to me before I answered with my experience. If that is not coming from a position of superiority I do not know what is.

I don't care that he said that,we are fine, but I don't understand if you are talking about superiority why you would not mention that as well.

Actually thinking about it my research began much earlier than the 90s, I spent 2 years in Israel, 1 year in Vienna , a year in Germany, a year in India. Years around the rest of Europe and the Arab middle east, arriving at all these places with no money and supporting myself. Should I not mention that just so as I don't come across as arrogant. Many others mention there experience, why can't I ?

Edit: Just seen that the 'you need to wake up comment has now been removed from his post, so Paul may have missed that although I did put it in quotations before my answers











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[ThePythonicCow]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

[Dorjezigzag]

OK so back to the Knights of Malta, I actually spent some time there being a big fan of the art of caravaggio.

Can kind of relate to this picture at the moment:p
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02183/caravaggio_2183764b.jpg

Interesting article also


Now an intriguing new theory has been put forward for the demise of the rabble-rousing Renaissance artist Caravaggio – that he was killed in cold blood on the orders of the Knights of Malta to avenge an attack on one of their members.

The chivalric order, which was formed during the Crusades, hunted down the painter because he had seriously wounded a knight during a fight, according to Vincenzo Pacelli, an Italian historian and expert on Caravaggio.

The death of Caravaggio, who earned notoriety during his lifetime for his quick temper and hell-raising ways, has long been shrouded in mystery.
Some historians believe that he died of malaria in the Tuscan coastal town of Porto Ercole in 1610 and that he was buried there.
But Prof Pacelli, of the University of Naples, has unearthed documents from the Vatican Secret Archives and from archives in Rome which suggest that the artist was instead murdered by the Knights of Malta, who then threw his body in the sea at Palo, near Civitavecchia north of Rome.

If true, it was a violent end that Caravaggio himself foretold in one of his most famous works, David with the Head of Goliath (1610), in which he painted his own face onto the severed head of the slain giant.
The "state-sponsored assassination" was carried out with the secret approval of the Vatican, Prof Pacelli claims in a forthcoming book, Caravaggio – Between Art and Science.

"It was commissioned and organised by the Knights of Malta, with the tacit assent of the Roman Curia" – the governing body of the Holy See – because of the grave offence Caravaggio had caused by attacking a high-ranking knight, he said.
The decision to dump the body at sea explained why there are no funeral or burial records recording Caravaggio's death.
"Had he died at Porto Ercole, he would have been given a funeral, especially given the fact that his brother was a priest," Prof Pacelli said. "He would not just have been forgotten." Caravaggio, whose artistic genius was matched only by a supreme talent for creating enemies, was subjected to a violent attack in Naples in 1609 by unidentified assailants which left him disfigured.

Prof Pacelli believes they were almost certainly assassins sent by the Knights of Malta, an order which was founded in the 11th century to protect Christians in the Holy Land and which subsequently established its headquarters on the Mediterranean island.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/9181383/Caravaggio--was-killed-by-the-Knights-of-Malta.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

the entire continent of south america speaks spanish,.

I studied Spanish for 6 months before going to Brazil...

the week before hopping on the plane I was asked how fluent I was in Portuguese... Say What?

not knowing what anyone was saying, did help in building psychic communications skills...

and for working with others, I became a champion of charades...

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the only accomplishment the Bavarian Illuminati had was strong beer...


my only worry about them is not enough production... More Barley!!!


crank up the rain clouds, give them a bumper crop... ;)

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The Knights of Malta are the Vatican's army answering to the Pope...


so what would you say to the one the Pope answers to?

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

Please know this and then do the math. I'm going to give you facts and they are all provable

You just gave me a list of names that is not proof that is a list!


I accept it as a possibility, I will not do the maths untill I see more evidence, not claims with no evidence made by conspiracy web sites.

Bilderberg I believe, Skull and Bones I believe- many have confirmed their membership, I believe the Masons have an agenda- many powerful people have confirmed their membership, which could be interpreted as a conspiracy, The Catholic church have their agenda, another conspiracy. In the East there are further groups and organisations with an agenda, a conspiracy. Sometimes these groups work together some times they don't. Many conspiracies tripping over other conspiracies ultimately leading to well the mess that we live in today.

No , the fact of the matter is that all these organizations work all together at the top , yes they all have their purpose and their jobs to do for the interest of The Jesuits.

Did you knew that The Bilderberg group was founded by a Jesuit / Knight of Malta Joseph Retinger? well that's the truth together with SMOM Prince Bernard , i can not proof everything directly , you will have to trust me in this as i have spend much time between certain very good researchers , and they tried to tell me , but i was just as stubborn and overlooked their advice , until i came to the point that i got stuck and then i did some research on what they said and it made all the dots connect right away. So i learned to trust these people to a certain degree since everytime i checked out what they told seem to be true.

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

you better wake up

If only you knew what I know
But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn



instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you

I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.


Please don't feel offended by the words...please do understand that i had countless conversations like this where i had to explain it all over and over again , If was not sure about it i would not post it or i would add to it that i'm not sure about it !

Your input is valued and a little discussion is never bad , but i got a bit fed up with it , excuse maybe i was getting a little tired.. me too i also still have to learn a lot , that's why i share what i DO know so that can be a basis to work on and that it might expand in the comment section , so that it gets a fairly good picture.

I hope you can understand why i'm getting a little short here , i have to deal with various ridicules everyday (on You Tube) in everyway and the clock keeps ticking. The faster humanity will understand the truth the better , i know that it won't go any faster if i react in such short way's , it was my intuition and habit maybe ? . I also did not ment to hurt your ego

Yes The Order of The Elephant , i just recently took a look at it , its a danish order and i'm pretty sure it had connections to the Teutonic Knights in the past and probably still today.

I wanted to do a Thread on all The Knighthoods , but i think there are too many too treat em all , its a network of royalities and knights. All the Knighthoods are connected to The Vatican and also to Freemasonry

I think it is great what you are doing, It is great to have a passion which you obviously do, but the devil is always in the detail, all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced. It think it helps to be aware of the counter arguments in order to build up a case.

The order of the white elephant I was referring to is actually a Thai chivalric order. ;), William J Donovan did receive this honour amongst many others but I have seen no official mention of him being a knight of Malta.

Go to the bottom of his Wikipedia page and you can see his many honours, you may be interested in those from the Vatican.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan

I already know why we couldn't find him on the list , because he is called
"Wild Bill" Donovan and is listed as Bill Donovan on the smom list not William.
That William Donovan is a Knight of malta came from a very reliable source , no on wikipedia they are not going to tell us the top of world control even though its out there , because through their hegelian Dialectic agenda's they HAVE to play a bit open card otherwise everyone would go and question them :)

Look at it this way , ALL the other CIA directors were Knights of malta , all of them , then he HAD to be one too. Still no real proof maybe we should try and hunt pictures on him , but he could've had the tactic to never wear the medal. Because this happens more often

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

OK so back to the Knights of Malta, I actually spent some time there being a big fan of the art of caravaggio.

Can kind of relate to this picture at the moment:p
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02183/caravaggio_2183764b.jpg

Interesting article also


Now an intriguing new theory has been put forward for the demise of the rabble-rousing Renaissance artist Caravaggio – that he was killed in cold blood on the orders of the Knights of Malta to avenge an attack on one of their members.

The chivalric order, which was formed during the Crusades, hunted down the painter because he had seriously wounded a knight during a fight, according to Vincenzo Pacelli, an Italian historian and expert on Caravaggio.

The death of Caravaggio, who earned notoriety during his lifetime for his quick temper and hell-raising ways, has long been shrouded in mystery.
Some historians believe that he died of malaria in the Tuscan coastal town of Porto Ercole in 1610 and that he was buried there.
But Prof Pacelli, of the University of Naples, has unearthed documents from the Vatican Secret Archives and from archives in Rome which suggest that the artist was instead murdered by the Knights of Malta, who then threw his body in the sea at Palo, near Civitavecchia north of Rome.

If true, it was a violent end that Caravaggio himself foretold in one of his most famous works, David with the Head of Goliath (1610), in which he painted his own face onto the severed head of the slain giant.
The "state-sponsored assassination" was carried out with the secret approval of the Vatican, Prof Pacelli claims in a forthcoming book, Caravaggio – Between Art and Science.

"It was commissioned and organised by the Knights of Malta, with the tacit assent of the Roman Curia" – the governing body of the Holy See – because of the grave offence Caravaggio had caused by attacking a high-ranking knight, he said.
The decision to dump the body at sea explained why there are no funeral or burial records recording Caravaggio's death.
"Had he died at Porto Ercole, he would have been given a funeral, especially given the fact that his brother was a priest," Prof Pacelli said. "He would not just have been forgotten." Caravaggio, whose artistic genius was matched only by a supreme talent for creating enemies, was subjected to a violent attack in Naples in 1609 by unidentified assailants which left him disfigured.

Prof Pacelli believes they were almost certainly assassins sent by the Knights of Malta, an order which was founded in the 11th century to protect Christians in the Holy Land and which subsequently established its headquarters on the Mediterranean island.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/9181383/Caravaggio--was-killed-by-the-Knights-of-Malta.html

I have seen this picture / Painting lately while i was doing some research , i believe to remember this was actually a scene that played under the Papal bloodline families. I can't remember which name.....

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Hey Paul ! is that a Dutch cow you have there for a picture ? Looks like it !

[modwiz]

It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open mind and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.


Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.

http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/2008/09/a-brief-encounter-with-adam-weishaupt-in-1804/

I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

NgSbaKpCjq4

I have a lot of respect for Alan because he understands "things", but my nickname for him is Saruman.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hey Paul ! is that a Dutch cow you have there for a picture ? Looks like it !
I've no idea :). Just something I found about five years ago, searching Google for cow images.

[Carmody]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.

what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?

[Carmody]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.

what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?

Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.

[Flash]

Paul has a Canadian Cow that Dutch have reimported. The Holstein (sound like a cow with a Jewish name) lol ;) In fact, they were originally Dutch, have been sent in America and rebred more than 100 years ago with other races to produce more milk and sent back to Europe and all over the world in sperm containers, Starbuck bull from St-Hyacinthe being the father of most probably millions of them.

Looks like an ET story for cows doesn't it!

Carmody is right about bumping oneself without real good reasons.

Thanks Modwiz for that video. Certainly another "son de cloche" - version of things.

[Dorjezigzag]

It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open mind and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.


Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.

http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/2008/09/a-brief-encounter-with-adam-weishaupt-in-1804/

I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

NgSbaKpCjq4

I have a lot of respect for Alan because he understands "things", but my nickname for him is Saruman.

That was funny, he certainly does look like him, but in character I think he is more like Gandalf , doing his own thing, standing up to the mega corporations and governments.

Actually I have noticed there is a debate amongst his fans whether is he Gandalf or Saruman. One thing is for sure he is a magician!

[ThePythonicCow]

Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.


Carmody is right about bumping oneself without real good reasons.

Well said, Carmody. Agreed, Flash.

WeAreONEbigFamily -- Several forum members have suggested, in various tones respectful, clear, gentle or sharp, that (1) yes, we know of what you speak, and in many ways for the most part many of us have similar views on the topics you present, but that (2) the picture is bigger, more subtle, more complex, and more layered, and (3) for all our good, yours, ours and the forums, that you should ease off the urgent shouting, and spend more time listening with a gentle ear.

This is not a bar room brawl you've joined, that will be settled in short order by who displays the biggest burst of strength and dominance. It's a complex symphony, being scored and learned as we play it, over the long haul. It is best not join such a symphony with a big brass horn played at fortissimo the first days of one's being there. You risk not hearing the music of Carmody's spheres, or the song of the bird in Flash's hand :).

I asked Dorjezigzag to back off, earlier on, as the tone of his response seemed too sharp to me, more likely to cause resistance in your noticing his message, than to clear things up. But I trust that his concerns were similar, and his motivations reasonable.

I've not spoken much otherwise, but just watched, as others were responding better than I knew how to. They still are (responding better than I).

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.

what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?

Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.

You know what is damaging this forum missy , all this new age crap that has been designed by The Jesuits (Pierre Teilhart de Chardin) , and this Alien / Entity crap which is also an agenda of The jesuits , you better prepare to get rid of everything you believed in , because its that serious.
This whole channeling thing is enorm dangerous because your connecting yourself to entities that you don't even know.
The DEVIL can apprear in many forms also as LUCIFER the LIGHT BEARER and all this light worker crap and Star Child propaganda is ALL New Age and merged into The United Nations and Lucis Trust , why do you think they have a Meditation room in the UN ? all the threads are going to be under one blog and after that i'm going to expose the whole new Age Movement , you can bet your bottom on it.

New Age is a danger to this forum and the people that come around here , will be dragged into these major deceptions . And i don't care who ever agrees with me or not , you can read my threads or not i don't care , i will release the truth as good as i can and after that , its your own responsibility.

[Fred Steeves]

Sorry folks, but I'm compelled to invoke the "Mr. Trololo Protocal". Remember when...? http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/smile.gif

oavMtUWDBTM

[PurpleLama]

So what is the truth, if it has not to do with all the "new age crap"? Not what's wrong, what's right, according to you?

[WeAreONEbigFamily]

you will witness that soon enough

[Flash]

Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.


Carmody is right about bumping oneself without real good reasons.

Well said, Carmody. Agreed, Flash.

WeAreONEbigFamily -- Several forum members have suggested, in various tones respectful, clear, gentle or sharp, that (1) yes, we know of what you speak, and in many ways for the most part many of us have similar views on the topics you present, but that (2) the picture is bigger, more subtle, more complex, and more layered, and (3) for all our good, yours, ours and the forums, that you should ease off the urgent shouting, and spend more time listening with a gentle ear.

This is not a bar room brawl you've joined, that will be settled in short order by who displays the biggest burst of strength and dominance. It's a complex symphony, being scored and learned as we play it, over the long haul. It is best not join such a symphony with a big brass horn played at fortissimo the first days of one's being there. You risk not hearing the music of Carmody's spheres, or the song of the bird in Flash's hand :).

I asked Dorjezigzag to back off, earlier on, as the tone of his response seemed too sharp to me, more likely to cause resistance in your noticing his message, than to clear things up. But I trust that his concerns were similar, and his motivations reasonable.

I've not spoken much otherwise, but just watched, as others were responding better than I knew how to. They still are (responding better than I).

Wow Paul, I did not know Canadians had enabled such poetic abilities in their cows! :cool:

[PurpleLama]

you will witness that soon enough

Another thread, perhaps?

[Rocky_Shorz]

You know what is damaging this forum missy , all this new age crap that has been designed by The Jesuits (Pierre Teilhart de Chardin) , and this Alien / Entity crap which is also an agenda of The jesuits , you better prepare to get rid of everything you believed in , because its that serious.
This whole channeling thing is enorm dangerous because your connecting yourself to entities that you don't even know.

The DEVIL can apprear in many forms also as LUCIFER the LIGHT BEARER and all this light worker crap and Star Child propaganda is ALL New Age and merged into The United Nations and Lucis Trust , why do you think they have a Meditation room in the UN ? all the threads are going to be under one blog and after that i'm going to expose the whole new Age Movement , you can bet your bottom on it.

New Age is a danger to this forum and the people that come around here , will be dragged into these major deceptions . And i don't care who ever agrees with me or not , you can read my threads or not i don't care , i will release the truth as good as i can and after that , its your own responsibility.


there is no Satan, or Devil, and the twisted minds that have used it for control is the problem with Religion...

you sound severely mind controlled from your fear of fear, not substance...


done trying to get you to wind down and look around, you have a brain sucking Jesuit hitch hiking your mind...


now take a look in a mirror...


realize the one you are looking at knows nothing...


yet...


and won't without communicating with those who do...


talking and listening...


Good luck...

[ThePythonicCow]

You know what is damaging this forum missy ...
Don't talk to others like that here ... especially after to someone who just spent a fair bit of effort, with the support of others over the last several days, trying to give you some valuable clues.


And i don't care who ever agrees with me or not , you can read my threads or not i don't care , i will release the truth as good as i can and after that , its your own responsibility.
Clearly you're not listening yet. I just put you on vacation for a week. Whether that will be sufficient time is not clear to me ... up to you.

But perhaps having a chance to read what several others have suggested, without the immediate "need" to respond and rebut, will be helpful.

[Shade]

you will witness that soon enough

But we can't now because obviously there is a conspiracy at hand. Lucifer and his new age filet mignons don't want us in this forum or the public to know the truth.

Sacrasticism; the double blind pineal gland suppression tool of new age profiteroles.

oh come on, having a joke, good for the heart. Let's all lighten up. Medicine comes in many shapes and forms.

[D-Day]

I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

Enough said.

Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.

what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?

Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.

You know what is damaging this forum missy , all this new age crap that has been designed by The Jesuits (Pierre Teilhart de Chardin) , and this Alien / Entity crap which is also an agenda of The jesuits , you better prepare to get rid of everything you believed in , because its that serious.
This whole channeling thing is enorm dangerous because your connecting yourself to entities that you don't even know.
The DEVIL can apprear in many forms also as LUCIFER the LIGHT BEARER and all this light worker crap and Star Child propaganda is ALL New Age and merged into The United Nations and Lucis Trust , why do you think they have a Meditation room in the UN ? all the threads are going to be under one blog and after that i'm going to expose the whole new Age Movement , you can bet your bottom on it.

New Age is a danger to this forum and the people that come around here , will be dragged into these major deceptions . And i don't care who ever agrees with me or not , you can read my threads or not i don't care , i will release the truth as good as i can and after that , its your own responsibility.

Oh dear, this was a really unfortunate post from you, waobf.

It is clear that you have little clue as to who's who or what's what when it comes to this forum (and also beyond that it would seem).

For starters, Carmody is not a female, so referring to him as "missy" is not only inaccurate from a gender perspective, but it is also disrespectful and demeaning.

Secondly, trust me when I tell you that Carmody has more knowledge and insights regarding the nature of this reality, how it works, and who's pulling the strings, than you could possibly comprehend at this stage of your "journey".

May I suggest that before you start challenging people on this forum, insinuating that they don't know what they're talking about, and/or belittling them, that you take some time to figure out where you (and your current level of understanding) "fit" in terms of this forum and its membership.

I can assure you that while you may think you know what "the score" is, that you are actually missing quite a few (rather important) chunks of the bigger picture.

This will no doubt become more evdient to you as you spend more time here, hopefully looking at some threads other than your own over the next few days/weeks/months (hint hint ;)).

In any case, that's it from me for now.. I'll leave it up to you decide whether the above-stated observations, comments, and suggestions, are helpful or not.

All the best!!

**post update**

Just read Paul's post which was completed as I was writing this one.

Dang!... too slow ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Clearly you're not listening yet. I just put you on vacation for a week. Whether that will be sufficient time is not clear to me ... up to you.
As a consequence of subsequent communications from WeAreONEbigFamily, his one week vacation has been made permanent.

[Fred Steeves]

Well ya gotta hand it to him Paul, he certainly flamed out in style. I do wish him well though, and if you are reading this WAOBF, I sincerely hope you are able to get your chit together. You're going to need it...

[Dennis Leahy]

I started composing a post to WeAreONEbigFamily yesterday, and was not quite satisfied with it, so I thought I'd refine it a bit first. Seems it won't be received, at least not by a forum member. If you're still tuned-in though, you should know that it is wise to "know your audience", and not make assumptions. The battleground with mean-spirited and combative anonymous people on YouTube did not prepare you for discourse at Avalon. Berating people and jamming noses into the information you were presenting (interesting info that would have been an asset, given a considerate tone) did not work. Try to find the genius in the phrase, "If you want people to listen, whisper."

I feel like I owe Chester ("justoneman") a public apology for going off on him in another of WeAreONEbigFamily's threads - and Chester was mainly trying to corral your style so your substance would have a chance to come through. I apologize, Chester.

Dennis

[Chester]

I started composing a post to WeAreONEbigFamily yesterday, and was not quite satisfied with it, so I thought I'd refine it a bit first. Seems it won't be received, at least not by a forum member. If you're still tuned-in though, you should know that it is wise to "know your audience", and not make assumptions. The battleground with mean-spirited and combative anonymous people on YouTube did not prepare you for discourse at Avalon. Berating people and jamming noses into the information you were presenting (interesting info that would have been an asset, given a considerate tone) did not work. Try to find the genius in the phrase, "If you want people to listen, whisper."

I feel like I owe Chester ("justoneman") a public apology for going off on him in another of WeAreONEbigFamily's threads - and Chester was mainly trying to corral your style so your substance would have a chance to come through. I apologize, Chester.

Dennis

Hi Dennis and all I can say is wow... thanks, but you actually did me a big favor in calling me out. You were right and thanks to that I looked closer and came clean. Some might think I am a bit extreme in the standards I hold to myself but I have to be rigorously honest as my sobriety depends on it - greybeard and some others know exactly what I mean.

So thanks for being my friend, Dennis, in the calling out and I accept the apology BUT, what you did is what true friends are for.

Now - back to the real and important matters at hand... Chester