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mojo
12th December 2012, 00:50
What are they? I've observed superfast pencil thin objects moving across the night sky. They appear longer rather than spherical They move very fast fast and are infrequent but I can recall a handful of times seeing them. I have seen other rounder or disk like objects moving as fast but these look different.

Draco
12th December 2012, 01:15
Not sure really what they are needs more attention in my opinion, i have a trail cam here in Australia and have pick up similar objects did a little bit research some say just insects with low shutter speeds there is a few videos on you tube not much. i think from what Ive seen that possible an undiscovered insects or little ufo's people in japan call them sky fish.

RMorgan
12th December 2012, 01:22
Hey Mojo,

This video and pictures will help you to realize what rods really are; bugs and other insects + motion blur, exposure and frame rate issues.

Since you are familiar with recording equipment, I guess you´ll understand the concept.

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http://www.tarrdaniel.com/documents/Ufology/images/Rods/InsectRod2.jpg

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/moth-640x401.jpg

http://content.photojojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/moths-lg.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Moths_attracted_by_floodlight.jpg/640px-Moths_attracted_by_floodlight.jpg

Cheers,

Raf.

mojo
12th December 2012, 02:13
Thanks for the feedback Raf & Draco. I have some evidence but maybe it will be best to gather more data/evidence to build a case. I'll share this video but it's not to defend a position just to show there is something I think more than a bug and has my curiosity.

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ghostrider
12th December 2012, 02:32
if it is energy rods , Ptaah would say it is a craft that the dwarf race uses to explore earth. there is a photo of an energy rod paying Billy Meier a visist on night right on top of his house...

RMorgan
12th December 2012, 02:32
Your video looks like a bug + motion blur to me, my friend.

Have you watched the video? Please, if you haven´t , watch it.

Cheers,

Raf.

PS: Jump to 39:00 to see the tests.

Vitalux
12th December 2012, 02:47
Does this look like a bug making a blur :confused:

The astronaut tends to feel that he is actually looking at a life from in space


NASA UFO STS-61 - Story Musgrave & "The Space Snake"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVkIArOlx44

RMorgan
12th December 2012, 02:55
Does this look like a bug making a blur :confused:

The astronaut tends to feel that he is actually looking at a life from in space


NASA UFO STS-61 - Story Musgrave & "The Space Snake"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVkIArOlx44

No, but it doesn´t look like the so called "rods" either.

It might be many things, from human spacial trash to an alien spacecraft or god knows what.

Vitalux
12th December 2012, 03:16
Does this look like a bug making a blur :confused:

The astronaut tends to feel that he is actually looking at a life from in space


NASA UFO STS-61 - Story Musgrave & "The Space Snake"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVkIArOlx44

No, but it doesn´t look like the so called "rods" either.

It might be many things, from human spacial trash to an alien spacecraft or god knows what.


Could be ....but contrast to your opinion, is an astronaut, having multiple years and missions in space, along with being able to observe this anomaly with telescopes, binoculars etc and photograph it with high powered lenses on cameras, feels it is not space debris.


I feel confident that they probably have some very close up images of this creature, but are not allowed to release it to the public.

Think for example how easy it is for our consumer digital cameras to zoom in on a distant object.
Can you imagine the lenses they must have kicking around up in the space station to photograph things they see.

I have no doubt they photograph a lot of stuff up there which we are not privy to view.



http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/2008-02-01sigma-5-sm.jpg

I tend to favor that the entire universe has a multitude of life and intelligence out there, and the vast majority of it is probably not even biological.

kersley
12th December 2012, 08:32
I have seen a documentary where they proved that these things are bugs. I will try to find it and post it here.

mojo
12th December 2012, 15:53
Hi Raf I did review those thanks, and I agree most times they are bugs. In response, did you happen to recall the recent Denver, Cololorado case? Really fast moving objects and people were claiming bugs but an entomologist thought different. The fastest bug is the Dragonfly which can reach speeds up to 50mph. This thing appears faster, and I'm filming in HIgh definition at the fastest film rate. I'm not sure they are exact rods though perhaps Ghostrider has it right. Ghostrider I recall that image of a craft over Billie's house. It was flat like a pancake. Also the recent video of the UFO in Grand Canyon shows somewhat of a flat disk. Most of times I would overlook the fast objects since they are so debatable maybe I can convince you that not all are bugs and that this phenomenon needs more research. The two videos below show if this shape was high up in the atmosphere it might project the rod-like look.

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At 8:06 in the Meier video.
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Tesla_WTC_Solution
12th December 2012, 16:02
Bugs or no bugs, thread or no thread,

read about "Rods from God" and "Prompt Global Strike", then "Low Altitude High Speed Orbit".

You could even google secret shuttle launch too!!!

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dwarves is a nice way of putting it... they ain't nice folks

RMorgan
12th December 2012, 16:16
Hi Raf I did review those thanks, and I agree most times they are bugs. In response, did you happen to recall the recent Denver, Cololorado case? Really fast moving objects and people were claiming bugs but an entomologist thought different. The fastest bug is the Dragonfly which can reach speeds up to 50mph. This thing appears faster, and I'm filming in HIgh definition at the fastest film rate. I'm not sure they are exact rods though perhaps Ghostrider has it right. Ghostrider I recall that image of a craft over Billie's house. It was flat like a pancake. Also the recent video of the UFO in Grand Canyon shows somewhat of a flat disk. Most of times I would overlook the fast objects since they are so debatable maybe I can convince you that not all are bugs and that this phenomenon needs more research. The two videos below show if this shape was high up in the atmosphere it might project the rod-like look.


Hey Mojo,

Well, there´s a big problem while perceiving speed in filmed objects.

The closer a moving object is to the camera, the faster it will look ; The perception of speed relating to filming moving objects is completely inaccurate.

This is a natural phenomenon to us; When observing an airplane flying in the sky from your home, it looks incredibly slow. A simple bird flying in your backyard will definitively look hundreds of times faster than the airplane.

It happens because cameras and our eyes have what we can call "cone of vision".

Anyway, who knows. I haven´t seen any pictures or videos of the so called "rods" that convinced me so far, but I don´t deny the possibility of their existence.

Cheers,

Raf.

conk
12th December 2012, 19:49
Not all rods are bugs or insects. When photographed at extremely high shutter speeds any insect will be stopped or frozen competely. There will be no blur.

RMorgan
12th December 2012, 20:03
Not all rods are bugs or insects. When photographed at extremely high shutter speeds any insect will be stopped or frozen competely. There will be no blur.

Sure, with extremely fast shutter speeds and high quality lenses even Formula 1 cars can be photographed with close to zero blur.

Videos, however, are different. Only high speed cameras are able to clearly film extremely fast objects.

Anyway, so far, I´ve never seen any picture or video of a rod where it doesn´t look blurry.

Jeffrey
12th December 2012, 21:53
Hello Mojo,

I am also interested in this phenomena. Here are a few ideas to play with.



http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/7993nasacloudnother.jpg

Excerpts from Wikipedia -




Polar mesospheric summer echoes

Polar mesospheric summer echoes (PMSE) is the phenomenon of anomalous radar echoes found between 80-90 km in altitude from May through early August in the Arctic, and from November through to February in the Antarctic. These strong radar echoes are associated with the extremely cold temperatures that occur above continental Antarctica during the summer. Rocket and radar measurements indicate that a partial reflection from a multitude of ion layers and constructive interference causes at least some of the PMSE.
Generally PMSE exhibits dramatic variations in height and intensity as well as large variations in Doppler shift. PMSE exhibit strong signal power enhancements of scattering cross section at VHF radar frequencies in the range 50 MHz to 250 MHz, at times even to over 1 GHz, that occur in summer at high latitudes.

PMSE occurs in both the Arctic and Antarctic regions, and is sometimes accompanied by noctilucent clouds.

Noctilucent cloud

Night clouds or noctilucent clouds are tenuous cloud-like phenomena that are the "ragged-edge" of a much brighter and pervasive polar cloud layer called polar mesospheric clouds in the upper atmosphere, visible in a deep twilight. They are made of crystals of water ice. Noctilucent roughly means night shining in Latin. They are most commonly observed in the summer months at latitudes between 50° and 70° north and south of the equator. They can only be observed when the Sun is below the horizon.

They are the highest clouds in the Earth's atmosphere, located in the mesosphere at altitudes of around 76 to 85 kilometres (47 to 53 mi). They are normally too faint to be seen, and are visible only when illuminated by sunlight from below the horizon while the lower layers of the atmosphere are in the Earth's shadow. Noctilucent clouds are not fully understood and are a recently-discovered meteorological phenomenon; there is no record of their observation before 1885.

Noctilucent clouds can form only under very restrictive conditions; their occurrence can be used as a sensitive guide to changes in the upper atmosphere. They are a relatively recent classification. The occurrence of noctilucent clouds appears to be increasing in frequency, brightness and extent. It is theorized that this increase is connected to climate change.

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These next two paragraphs where taken from this study - Dusty plasma in Earth’s mesosphere: formation and evolution of polar mesospheric clouds (http://ocs.ciemat.es/epsicpp2012pap/pdf/PD2.006.pdf)




One important feature of the polar ionosphere un- der summer conditions is the presence of dust layers (very thin on the atmospheric scale) located at alti- tudes of 80 to 85 km (noctilucent clouds, or NLC) or about 90 km (polar mesospheric summer echoes, or PMSE). NLC consist of submicron-sized parti- cles. They can be seen by the naked eye at sunset, whereas PMSE (apparently consisting of charged nanometer-sized particles) cannot be observed by optical methods and manifest themselves by strong radio reflections observed with radars at frequen- cies between 50 and 1000 MHz. In the literature, NLC and PMSE are frequently grouped together under the common term polar mesospheric clouds (PMC).

Interest to the description of dusty structures in the ionosphere has significantly increased since the 2000s owing to the development of the methods of investigation of dusty plasmas. Furthermore, the great interest to these structures is due to their possible connection with climate change and, in particular, with the Earth global warming process.


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So, now we have dusty plasma here, in our atmosphere. This is called dirty plasma (http://www.mps.mpg.de/de/projekte/sousy/sousy_result.html). We know about dusty plasma crystals being able to self organize, replicate, and "survive". We know about the relationship between electromagnetic fields and consciousness. We know about complex systems theory. These are all ingredients for the big question. Is there another form of life living "on" earth in the upper reaches of our atmosphere? Ever heard of sky fish, or rods?



http://fenamagazine.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gigantic_jets_lightning_lightning_leaders.jpg

The following article was copied and pasted from http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/primer/lightning/ltg_tle.html

Transient Luminous Events

Large thunderstorms are capable of producing other kinds of electrical phenomena called transient luminous events (TLE's). The most common TLE's include red sprites, blue jets, and elves.

Red Sprites can appear directly above an active thunderstorm as a large but weak flash. They usually happen at the same time as powerful positive CG lightning strokes. They can extend up to 60 miles from the cloud top. Sprites are mostly red and usually last no more than a few seconds, and their shapes are described as resembling jellyfish, carrots, or columns. Because sprites are not very bright, they can only be seen at night. They are rarely seen with the human eye, so they are most often imaged with highly sensitive cameras.

Blue jets emerge from the top of the thundercloud, but are not directly associated with cloud-to-ground lighting. They extend up in narrow cones fanning out and disappearing at heights of 25-35 miles. Blue jets last a fraction of a second and have been witnessed by pilots.

Elves are rapidly expanding disk-shaped regions of glowing that can be up to 300 miles across. They last less than a thousandth of a second, and occur above areas of active cloud to ground lightning. Scientists believe elves result when an energetic electromagnetic pulse extends up into the ionosphere. Elves were discovered in 1992 by a low-light video camera on the Space Shuttle.

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Here is an article with more information about the Transient Luminous Event phenomena from National Geographic: Huge Mystery Flashes Seen In Outer Atmosphere (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0625_030625_atmospherethunder.html)

http://sriutami88.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mesosphere_diagram_big.jpg

Next up - Noctilucent Clouds and Polar Mesospheric Summer Echoes.



I guess the follow up question to consider is: If this exotic form of life could hypothetically exist, would it be intelligent? Or would it be no more intelligent than any other animal (there are some pretty smart animals).

Check this theory out. There's a biophysicist named Dr. Levengood who studies the formation of crop circles.

Here is a synopsis of Plasma Vortex Theory copied and pasted from http://kentheberling.com/CropCircles/Theories/plasmavortex.html




Atmospheric-associated plasma formations may plausibly originate in regions where t here are clear indications of energy exchange between the ionosphere (60-100 km) and electrical storms in the upper atmosphere (Franz et al. 1990). Currently under consideration are ion plasma vortices which form in unstable regions and act as heat and angular momentum transporters. In fluid dynamics, gases, including air, are considered as having liquid properties (Prandtl and Tietjens 1957). In such a scheme the descent of a vortex through a liquid produces unstable secondary products which form complex, symmetrical patterns such as circles, rings, triangles, double lines and ovals with tubes or 'paths' extending from them (Levenoood 1958). In its descent to the crop surface the shaping of these features of vortex instability would be guided by variations in the Earth's magnetic field (Rossi and Jastrow 1961). At the crop surface the heat, ionization, associated electric fields and angular momentum would be transferred to the living plants. Taken as a whole, ionized air plasmas are electrically neutral, although internally, charge separation takes place and t hey can have high concentrations of positive ions and free electrons (Lehnert 1961), which in contact with plant tissue might produce transient heating and account for a number of the plant transformations.

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Orbs = balls of plasma?

Here's a link with more information on Dr. Levengood's research: http://www.ourstrangeplanet.com/the-san-luis-valley/guest-editorials/high-heat/

There's a book by Keven J. Anderson entitled, Hidden Empire. The concept is about exotic life forms (like the ideas discussed above) that never had a need to communicate with the "organics" as the humans are called in the series. Humans only discover these forms of life when they develop the technology to ignite gas-giant planets and turn them into stars. Basically, the humans became enough of a nuisance for the "alien/exotic" life forms environment that they had to step in and establish contact.

If you're interested, this article is also thought provoking (and in the same vein as this post) --->

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix&p=542395&viewfull=1#post542395

and this head scratching PDF: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?48863-The-Mechanics-of-the-Matrix&p=542247&viewfull=1#post542247

It is worth pointing out that we continue to discover the presence of "life" in places we least expect (like in nuclear spent fuel pools), as is the case with extremophiles (http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/extremophile.htm). This being the case our paradigm of what and where life is continues to change as science develops.