Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

[Flash]

Remodeling the thread after 5 pages of moving directions:


I truly like the direction this thread has taken.
•The scientific explaination against the 12-21-12 apocalypse predictions.

•The input of astrology, but seen as a science, to contradict the apocalypse talks while explaining the overall situation.

•The spiritual side of things that is coming out as well.

•The conclusion that Avalon is about science and spirituality, should I add TOGETHER

•And now, the impact of natural science on the human biology, which in turn may have an impact on behavior and on spiritual development.

Do you realise guys/gals, that we may be actually doing, in an open public ground and group undertaking, the first ever workable combination of new science, old science (astrology and alchemy), spirituality, behaviors and biology, all this for an overall understanding of change in humanity. (I am aware that some may have done it individually).

I wish to bring balance between what science discovers, what people on the spiritual path know as much as science, in order to clear a path for global understanding and possible implementation for the laymen. I do not know if it is achievable, but it is worthwile to try imo.

I do encourage everyone to continue to use this thread in this purpose, combining science, human abilities and spirituality in one place. And linking each of our posts together for a more complete understanding.

This means this is a facts bringing thread on the above aspects with a particular effort on making links between the facts and the posts so that understanding of the human potential will be made easy.

Thanks again for the great participation


My first post was originally this below:

I did not know if I should put this video in the future talk or the general discussion, since the future here is one week away.

It was posted in the James Horak thread by Calz. Hip Hipnotist mentioned it should make a thread by itself. Which I believe it should.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52926-2012-James-Horak-reveals-what-will-really-happen&p=597069&viewfull=1#post597069

It is the alignment of our Sun with Alcyon (the Pleiades sun around which our sun revolve), Sirius (the galactic sun around which Alcyon revolve) and the the central Sun and it explain as well the cloud we are entering, the 3 nights days, the ,time slot where there is no time anymore and the collapse of dimensions.

The visuals are stunning, and everything is explained in visuals, which makes it very easy to understand.

So, here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxMymXI4KAg&feature=player_embedded


Published on Nov 28, 2012


Everything you wanted to know about '2012' but didn't know to ask.
I WANT Your Comments & Thanks for Beta Testing this Video!
Heard of the Photon Belt? Pole Shift? Precession of Equinoxes?
Nibiru, Solar Storms, The Mayan Calendar or Biblical Prophecy?

With over 30 yrs in Radio & TV Broadcasting, Boulder Professor Marc "The Arcturian", Grandson of Warren Buffet's Mentor, Benjamin Graham, takes you on this Galaxial Tour in:
"The Most Comprensive 60 Minutes On "2012" Ever Assembled"

Over 4G/1,200 Photos, Clips, Animations, Slides and SFX went into this video of Disneyesque Proportion even Bill didn't know you could make when you let a deranged professor play with his PowerPoint2010 60 Day Trial Version for three months!

Every Man, Woman, and Child on Planet Earth should see this...
...in the next 23 days.

You or someone you know wants to see this movie.

"IF Mani Narobe and I are right,...in 3-4 weeks,
none of us may even remember this video."
-M*

May The Force Be With Us All

[ThePythonicCow]

I did not know if I should put this video in the future talk or the general discussion, since the future here is one week away.
Perhaps I should rename that forum to be "Present Talk" (and then rename it again in a few weeks to be "Past Talk") :rolleyes:

[modwiz]

This Friday, the Hobbit:An Unexpected Journey opens in the USA. I am expecting many gorgeous visuals. I will be watching it in typical film format, although the high frame rate 3-D version is available at the theatre I will go to. Then I will tune into next Friday.

I have my priorities straight. :wizard:

[Debra]

This Friday, the Hobbit:An Unexpected Journey opens in the USA. I am expecting many gorgeous visuals. I will be watching it in typical film format, although the high frame rate 3-D version is available at the theatre I will go to. Then I will tune into next Friday.

I have my priorities straight. :wizard:

You sure do! :wizard:

[DeBron]

YOU....SHALL NOT....... PASSSS :wizard:

[soleil]

so far i love this video, hes easy to listen to :) definitely sharing this

[Rocky_Shorz]

the Quake hit San Diego right after the Hobbit ended last night when everyone had gotten home...

3 people that went were Awake for the Quake...

I think this video is great, explaining what is happening, 2000 years to finish passing through this band of energy, so just to confirm, the Sedona Crystal Worshipping Votex Gurus, say we are hitting the center point...

so which is it, have we been passing through it for 1000 years already, and have 1000 to go before we pass out of it?

or, are we just entering the energy now with 2000 years of extreme energy ahead...

seems like Nasa or one of the space agencies should have info somewhere saying what is happening...

hard to believe at this day and age, we need to wait for the Galactic Federation of Light to send info because our government with their $billions in equipment haven't seen the alignment...

[meat suit]

I enjoyed watching this..
so, is that alignment really happening?
moon, earth, sun, plejadies, sirius, centre of galaxy all in a line....

does anybody know?
thanx

meat

[Flash]

thanks all for listening, what I enjoyed the most was seeing the sun running fast with all the planets with him forming a vortex. I could not understand how it works if it were'nt for a visual.

[Mark]

This video was great. The presenter had a lot of fun so I found myself smiling throughout. My only scientific issue with this was whether we are orbiting Alcyone or not. There is no mainstream science that I've ever found that confirms this. But if it is so, it is amazing. Even if it is not so, even NASA has admitted that the alignment this 21st of Dec. is a grand alignment. Soooo .... fun times immediately ahead!

BTW, what was that all about at the beginning of the vid talking about the Presenter hasn't been heard from since? He did what he did in 13 hours and headed out for the hills, eh?

[Bill Ryan]

I enjoyed watching this..
so, is that alignment really happening?
moon, earth, sun, plejadies, sirius, centre of galaxy all in a line....

does anybody know?
thanx

meat

No, it's not. (Astronomical fact. Do check it out...!)

[onawah]

Bill, can you give us a good link for checking that out?
Thanks.


I enjoyed watching this..
so, is that alignment really happening?
moon, earth, sun, plejadies, sirius, centre of galaxy all in a line....

does anybody know?
thanx

meat

No, it's not. (Astronomical fact. Do check it out...!)

[Flash]

Bill, physics and astronomy are not my basic expertise. So yes, I do enjoy such a video, knowing I will learn something and that some false information may be in it as well.

But not being my expertise, I cannot always know what is wrong with the theories and moslty, where to start in order to get informed, in a way that will be simple to understand. A bit like short wave radio transmission can be in terms of mechanics for example.

Therefore, it would be very much appreciated if you were giving us a hand in finding out the basic information.

Thanks

[ThePythonicCow]

Bill, can you give us a good link for checking that out?
Thanks.


I enjoyed watching this..
so, is that alignment really happening?
moon, earth, sun, plejadies, sirius, centre of galaxy all in a line....

No, it's not. (Astronomical fact. Do check it out...!)

Well, the sun is roughly aligned between earth and the galactic core at this time of year. The galactic core is in the rough direction of Sagittarius, and we are now about to enter the time of year when the sun rises and sets near the constellation Sagittarius, and hence near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy (from earth's perspective.)

The moon goes around earth monthly. We had a new moon on Dec 13 (just passed), which is when the moon is on the same side of the earth as the sun. We will have a full moon on Dec 28, which is when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun. On Dec 21, the moon will be sort of half way between.

Sirius is the Dog Star in the constellation Canis Major -- it is part way off to the side, not on the line between the sun and the galactic core.

Pleiades (the Seven Sisters) is a star cluster in the constellation Taurus, which is now even further off to the side, roughly 90 degrees away from the line between the sun and galactic core.

You can see the stars and galactic core on the map below (but not the moon.)
http://thepythoniccow.us/wgalchart.gif
The galactic core is the darker grey region in the center, between Sagittarius and Scorpius.

Canis Major, with Sirius (a big yellow dot, for Sirius is the brightest star in the heavens, but for our sun), is well to the right, and Taurus is both at the far left and far right edges, where the image would wrap.

So earth, sun and galaxy line up - amazing - only happens twice a year :). Three out of six isn't bad.

(Sorry for the big image, but it was rather a nice one.)

[meat suit]

thanks for clearing that up Paul!

I looked at the sky last night thinking , how on earth are these plajadies going to get in front of sirius for next friday...
.:der::plane::bounce::flame::laugh::pound:

[write4change]

just to be clear are you saying all these people who have talking about the rift, the galaxy line up etc. are just totally blowing smoke? While I can see from your map what you are saying but that does not seem to take into cosideration that all of these bodies are spiraling. Something not well known or acknowledge. These spirals appear in a lot of ancient stone symbols and seem to make sense as a new way of looking. Also a lot of spirals in the crop circles.

I have never been able to make up my mind what to think. I hang with Hancock that ancient people went to an awful lot of trouble to leave us messages in a way that would stand the test to time. While we may not have all the pieces yet, not seriously considering what the message might be would be a serious mistake.

So thank you for your fine research as usual but does it eliminate the totality of this presentation? I have to ask because I do not have enough math or astro knowledge to have any discerment I can rely on.

[ThePythonicCow]

The above star map changes slowly for us earthlings, as our sun revolves around the galactic core about once every 220 million years, and oscillates above and below the galactic plane on an approximately 66 million year cycle. We last passed (let's say "up") through the galactic plane about 3 million years ago, and will pass again, going (let's say "down") the other way, in about another 30 million years. Right now, earth (and sun) are about 75 to 100 light years away ("up") from the galactic plane. The definition of the galactic plane is a little fuzzy, hence the imprecision in this distance.

The signs of the Zodiac, relative to the seasons here on earth, change more rapidly, on about a 26,000 year cycle. Right now, the winter solstice (shortest days in Northern Hemisphere) happens when the sun is rising near the constellation Sagittarius. In 13,000 years, it will be the summer solstice that happens when the sun is in Sagittarius. Whether this 26,000 year cycle is best explained as a wobbly earth (precessing like a child's top) or whether it is better explained as the entire solar system orbiting around a shared center of gravity with some other such large mass (perhaps the dog star Sirius) is subject to some debate. The later possibility would mean that our sun was part of a binary star system, which is fairly common.

The last paragraph probably only made half sense. Try looking at it this way. The earth is tilted some 23 degrees (quite a bit) relative to the solar or galactic planes (which are pretty close to each other.) The earth's seasons happen as the earth goes around the sun each year. In the Northern summer, the north pole is tipped toward the sun, and in the Northern winter, six months later, when the earth has moved half way around the sun, that very same tilt of the earth leaves the north pole tipped away from the sun. Currently, give or take many years, it so happens that the Northern winter (north pole further from sun) occurs when the earth is on (what I call) the "back side" of the sun, which the side of the sun away from the galactic core. The orientation of the earth's tilt keeps shifting however. In about 13,000 years, we will be having Northern winters when the earth is on the "front side" of the sun, between the sun and our galactic core.

Normal people who are into astronomy or astrology don't speak of the sun's front and back sides as I do. They speak of the signs of the zodiac, and of which of these 12 signs, spread around the sky, the sun appears to be "in" (meaning "in front of, from earth's viewpoint"), and relate that to the four seasons on earth. As the earth revolves around the sun every year, the sun appears to be "in" each of these 12 constellations, for about one month each. Also the astrological ages are based on where the sun appears at the vernal (spring) equinox. The sun has been in the constellation Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox for the last couple of thousand years, and we are now entering the Age of Aquarius, when the sun will be in the constellation Aquarius on the vernal equinox for the next couple thousand years. These astrological ages reflect the 26,000 year cycle described above.

In the previous paragraph, I used what's called the sidereal zodiac, based on where the sun appears relative the celestial background. Apparently most astrologers in my culture use some other Zodiac calendar called the tropical zodiac, which is nearly a month off, and which I don't understand any better than I do anything else involving astrology. In the sidereal Zodiac, as I write this, we are leaving Scorpia and entering Sagittarius. Apparently in the tropical Zodiac, we have been in Sagittarius for about three weeks already.

[ThePythonicCow]

just to be clear are you saying all these people who have talking about the rift, the galaxy line up etc. are just totally blowing smoke?
The alignment with the galactic rift is happening right about now :).

In recent years, and for a few more years, the sun will appear to be positioned right in front of the galactic rift on the date of the winter solstice (Dec 21).

The galactic rift is the dark region all along the center line of the Milky Way galaxy, as seen from earth:

http://thepythoniccow.us/galactic_rift.jpg

It's those other stellar alignments listed above, such as Sirius and Pleiades, that are "scattered to the four winds" (or whatever they call what blows about our galaxy), and the moon that is off to the side on Dec 21, neither full nor new.

[ThePythonicCow]

I hang with Hancock that ancient people went to an awful lot of trouble to leave us messages in a way that would stand the test to time.
The best explanation I've found that makes sense to my way of thinking, and that explains why the Mayans would consider what we call Dec 21, 2012 to be a particularly special date is in the following paper: http://thepythoniccow.us/Did_Extraterrestrials_Create_the_Maya_Calendar_Thomas_Razzeto.pdf

Roughly, besides the approximate lineup of the earth, sun and galactic core at the time of the earth's winter solstice, some of the planets, as viewed from earth, are arranged in a 'cross".

It does not signify any great energy shift or geological disaster, rather just a nice, rare alignment of what can be viewed from earth.

[skippy]

The following video provides an interesting perspective on a couple of the subjects discussed in this thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W1RIlcCZG4Q

[panopticon]

The sun has been in the constellation Capricorn at the time vernal equinox for the last couple of thousand years, and is now entering the Age of Aquarius, when the sun will be in the constellation Aquarius for the next couple thousand years. These astrological ages reflect the 26,000 year cycle described above.


Excellent presentation Paul, thanks for the detailed explanation.
Only, I thought we were moving from Pisces into Aquarius not Capricorn into Aquarius?

[ThePythonicCow]

Only, I thought we were moving from Pisces into Aquarius not Capricorn into Aquarius?
Ah - yes - you're right - we move through the constellations backwards - I'll fix my post - thanks!

[modwiz]

Well, the sun is roughly aligned between earth and the galactic core at this time of year. The galactic core is in the rough direction of Sagittarius, and we are now about to enter the time of year when the sun rises and sets near the constellation Sagittarius, and hence near the center of the Milky Way Galaxy (from earth's perspective.)

The moon goes around earth monthly. We had a new moon on Dec 13 (just passed), which is when the moon is on the same side of the earth as the sun. We will have a full moon on Dec 28, which is when the moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun. On Dec 21, the moon will be sort of half way between.

Sirius is the Dog Star in the constellation Canis Major -- it is part way off to the side, not on the line between the sun and the galactic core.

Pleiades (the Seven Sisters) is a star cluster in the constellation Taurus, which is now even further off to the side, roughly 90 degrees away from the line between the sun and galactic core.

You can see the stars and galactic core on the map below (but not the moon.)
http://thepythoniccow.us/wgalchart.gif
The galactic core is the darker grey region in the center, between Sagittarius and Scorpius.

Canis Major, with Sirius (a big yellow dot, for Sirius is the brightest star in the heavens, but for our sun), is well to the right, and Taurus is both at the far left and far right edges, where the image would wrap.

So earth, sun and galaxy line up - amazing - only happens twice a year :). Three out of six isn't bad.

(Sorry for the big image, but it was rather a nice one.)

I'll take a big map with something to say with it over another video to watch any day. BTW. I saved the big picture.

[Fred Steeves]

It does not signify any great energy shift or geological disaster, rather just a nice, rare alignment of what can be viewed from earth.

Hi Paul, and Bill too. You all know I'm not a big 2012 cheerleader, I don't foresee imminent natural disasters, or people floating off into the cosmos(LOL). But, many people ARE noting certain energetic phenomena, myself included. It's common knowledge that just our little old moon massively affects things from oceans to people, especially when it's full. So what I'm having a hard time grasping here is why the changing of the Ages, and/or rare galactic alignments, should have no impact on us whatsoever.

These were of massive importance to the ancients, and those astronomer/priests were pretty savvy fellows. Isn't there a middle ground here for science and spirituality to come together on these matters?

Cheers,
Fred

[Bill Ryan]

just to be clear are you saying all these people who have talking about the rift, the galaxy line up etc. are just totally blowing smoke?

Yes, I'm afraid they are. It's all a New Age myth with zero astronomical and physical substance or fact behind it.

21 December 2012 has become (for a minority of the world's population!) rather like Christmas Day -- imbued by cultural and societal (and global control) factors to be entirely artificially important.

But Jesus was not born on that day at all. It's just a belief system which folk subscribe to because most people want to believe something and create meaning in their lives. We humans do this all the time -- and 21 December 2012 is just another human-created ritual.

It's interesting to research where the "21 December" date came from. Much of the blame (and I use that word deliberately) lies with Terence McKenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna), an inspired but basically loony acidhead who widely publicized the date in a book he wrote back in 1993. The original 21 December date came from Mayan researcher Robert Sharer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Sharer)

Prior to Sharer and McKenna's publication of their agreed idea of the end of the Mayan Calendar date, scholars had widely disagreed. Even last year, respected researcher Carl Calleman stated that the calendar "really" ended on 28 October (2011), and this too was widely touted. Of course, nothing happened on that day at all.

But the beliefs about 21 December, widely shared in the New Age community, make it "real" in societal terms. The rest of the physical universe doesn't know about that, though. It's purely a New Age cultural phenomenon, and nothing more. It will pass.

Let's look forward to 1 January 2013 (as I've often written) -- and then we can put all the hysteria behind us and focus on important matters. Dark Forces, whose interests and agendas are unwittingly supported with many otherwise able and perceptive people embracing the massive diversion and distraction, are having a field day. Next year it's important that we all get on with the job in hand.

[ThePythonicCow]

These were of massive importance to the ancients, and those astronomer/priests were pretty savvy fellows. Isn't there a middle ground here for science and spirituality to come together on these matters?

I would ask not whether they come together (which I suspect means whether or not there are some substantial and rather direct energetic effects on our spirit or culture from the rather modest astronomical alignments) but rather, if indeed there are some energetic effects on our spirit or culture, what is their cause?

Perhaps, for example, the savvy ones are aware of subtle cycles of change, ever present, due to astronomical orientations, and have chosen to tune into, leverage and amplify these effects through their own various actions affecting humanity.

If the local moon worshipers schedule a raid on the local cemetery every 28 days, it's not like the moon caused those grave stones to be over turned, but rather the energy of those moon worshipers caused that, using the moon's cycles as a trigger.

The moon is a poor example here, as I'll wager it has substantially larger effects on earthly living beings than whether earth happens to titled with its North pole away from the sun or not, just at the annual point that earth passes once again on the side of the sun furthest from the galactic core.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes, Im afraid they are. It's all a New Age myth with zero astronomical and physical substance or fact behind it.
Well, based on the paper I linked in Post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-next-Friday-explained-in-gorgeous-visual&p=599265&viewfull=1#post599265) above, I think that there does occur on Dec 21 a once in 26,000 year, mildly interesting, combination of the earth being on the "back side" of the sun at its winter solstice just as a few planets are in some "cross" alignment, as viewed from earth.

But, yes, that modest alignment does not justify all this commotion.

[gripreaper]

Yes, Im afraid they are. It's all a New Age myth with zero astronomical and physical substance or fact behind it.
Well, based on the paper I linked in Post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-next-Friday-explained-in-gorgeous-visual&p=599265&viewfull=1#post599265) above, I think that there does occur on Dec 21 a once in 26,000 year, mildly interesting, combination of the earth being on the "back side" of the sun at its winter solstice just as a few planets are in some "cross" alignment, as viewed from earth.

But, yes, that modest alignment does not justify all this commotion.

OK, so "most" of the astronomy is correct, except for this perfect alignment of Sirius , the Pleiades, the Sun, earth etc. The "Grand Cross" alignment would be more accurate. In any case, the energetic influence of the celestial bodies is accepted and is not just a construct of new age philosophy.

Thanks Paul, for not throwing the baby out with the bath water on this one. Sure, the 2012 meme is full of mythology and hyper commercialization, and disinfo, but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.

[Hervé]

[...]

It's interesting to research where the "21 December" date came from. Much of the blame (and I use that word deliberately) lies with Terence McKenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna), an inspired but basically loony acidhead who widely publicized the date in a book he wrote back in 1993. The original 21 December date came from Mayan researcher Robert Sharer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Sharer)

[...]


More background on that:


[...]

Probably came from smoking GMO mushrooms :) :


From http://www.inquisitr.com/432423/mayan-apocalypse-started-with-a-bad-70s-mushroom-trip-not-ancient-civilization/:


‘Mayan Apocalypse’ Started With A Bad 70s Mushroom Trip, Not Ancient Civilization

Posted: December 10, 2012

This might assuage your Doomsday 2012 fears before December 21 comes and goes without a hitch. One British academic says that the ancient Mayan Apocalypse prophecies (http://www.inquisitr.com/234366/mayan-ruins-discovery-shows-predictions-dated-after-2012-calendar/) are only about as ancient as the 1970s, and that they had some psychedelic help entering the zeitgeist.

“December 21st will be just another Friday morning,” said Andrew Wilson, Assistant Head of Social Studies at the University of Derby. He says that the Mayan Apocalypse prophecy didn’t come from ancient civilization, and that the idea is hardly older than 30-40 years, give or take. Two New Age books in the 70s and 80s are to blame for our apocalyptic fears. The books detail an “upgrade” to human consciousness, predicted by a spirit from the seventh century, and that the whole thing came about from a magic mushroom trip, reports Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--how-predictions-came-from-new-age-magic-mushroom-trip-130852054.html).


“A hippy guru called Jose Arguelles associated the date with the Mayan calendar in a book called The Mayan Factor in 1987. But it’s an obsolete form of the calendar, which had not been used since the year 1100AD.”

“He claimed to be channelling various spirits, including the spirit of a Mayan king from the seventh century. He predicted a ‘shift in human consciousness’ – mass enlightenment.” The December 21 date appeared in a 1975 book by Terence McKenna, a writer who is also infamous for strange descriptions of “machine elves” he saw while he was tripping balls.

“The significance of December 21, 2012 in ‘New Age’ circles emerged from the work of ‘ethnobotanist’ Terence McKenna as he travelled deep into the Amazon in the 1970s,” says Wilson. “His calculations of a ‘zero time wave’ suggested the world would go through a large change on December 21.”

“Arguelles, who had a long-held interest in Native American spiritualties, was inspired by McKenna’s work. He popularized the date in connection with the ‘long count calendar’ of the Mayan people in his new-age circles.”

The idea evolved, and became something of a catch-all for random apocalyptic hypotheses like the “Planet X” conspiracy and the idea that Earth will be swallowed by a black hole.

“There is no central belief,” says Wilson, “It varies from the ideas that Earth’s magnetic poles might shift, to the idea of a ‘galactic council’ visiting Earth. There’s no one, definite idea – it mirrors the New Age beliefs from which it comes.”

“It’s become part of a lot of religious movements. For instance, ‘The Galactic Federation of Light’ believes that ‘Planet X’ will make a close pass by the earth in 2012 – causing a deep transformation of human life on Earth.”

“What this and other apocalyptic dates have in common across new religious movements is that they are often predicted to occur within a believer’s lifetime – making their beliefs urgent and important,” said Wilson.

“However, most people who believe in the significance of December 21, 2012 have tempered their predictions of an apocalypse to, instead, signifying some significant change in humanity. Whether that is a change in culture or a world-wide event – most believers in an apocalypse won’t be preparing for an earthly end but looking forward to an imminent transformation.”

“A lot of people look to this story for reassurance – about the financial climate, or even about fears of, for instance, the Large Hadron Collider.”

“What’s been popularised is the dramatic stuff – but I am definitely still doing my Christmas shopping as normal this year.”

Wilson’s paper, ‘From Mushrooms to the Stars,’ will be published by Ashgate (http://www.ashgate.com/Default.aspx?lang=cy-GB) in 2013, well after the world doesn’t end.

There you go. The Mayan Apocalypse came from a giant mushroom trip.

[onawah]

I expect the Native Americans, particularly the Hopi, the Mayans and other indigenous peoples would disagree with the more skeptical views here, as there has long been evidence in their cosmologies (not to mention the ancient Vedas) of these times we are in now being exceptional and a possible portal to a kind of Golden Age, although there is some disagreement there as well, certainly.

[Mark]

Great thread continuation. As I mentioned in my first post here, the difficulty with what the guy is presenting, and that is also the difficulty with the entire concept is the idea that Sol orbits Alcyone which also orbits Sirius which orbits the central sun of our galaxy (Or IS the central sun of our galaxy, according to the presenter), which in turn orbits the central sun of the Universe.

He equates the revolution of Sol around Alcyone as 26,000 years, the revolution of Alcyone around Sirius as 225 million years, and he has no number for the revolution of Sirius around the galaxy's central sun, or that around the universe's central sun.

The presenter here states all of that as fact. When there is no mainstream scientific evidence that there is even a such thing as a central sun. According to mainstream science, the centers of galaxies are instead black holes. Personally, I find the Schwartzchild Geometries (http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html) - black hole/white hole alternation - to be a viable theory regarding what lies at the center of galaxies, as, aesthetically, it is really yin/yang and I appreciate the whole "As Above So Below" hermetic formulation, but that is not the mainstream understanding. I've posted here before on cosmic geography (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46455-Understanding-Cosmic-Geography-Beyond-New-Age-mythology), Sol and its system's movements around the galactic core and 2012.

The fact that modern science has nothing to say at all about whether Sol-system is involved in relatively micro-cosmic orbits around other stars (Sol around Alcyone, Alcyone around Sirius, Sirius around the galaxy's central sun, the galaxy's central sun around the universe's central sun) says nothing about whether all of this is true or not - other than H*LL NO, it's all just Doomsday Drivel - it's just that there is no actual, concrete and factual information or corroboration regarding these types of macro-scale movements.

The heliocentric view of Sol system - which is really what this guy is proselytizing - is an ancient one, the first Western astronomers and geographers were quite certain that Earth and Sol system were integrally correlated to the movement of the cosmos. What I find interesting, is that as science increases its understanding of reality, this potentiality remains viable, despite all of the theories of recent decades and years regarding dark energy and matter. There does indeed seem to be some relationship between the earth on its 23.5 degree ecliptical tilt, the flat plane of the galaxy and the flat plane of the universe, as the evidence seems to be pointing out (quote below). That modern physicists are in a conundrum about it, and treat it as a dark secret of science, not talking about it, only adds fuel to the idea that what they know is really just theoretical and quite limited when compared to what ancient cultures knew and that science always seems to corroborate these days when the technology evolves to the point where our instruments detect 'proof' of whatever new theory they come out with to explain what seems to have been known many thousands of years in advance.

From the website The Third Culture (http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/krauss06/krauss06.2_index.html#), the article, "The Energy of Empty Space that isn't Zero":


But what is intriguing to me is that while everything is consistent with the simplest models, there's one area where there's a puzzle. On the largest scales, when we look out at the universe, there doesn't seem to be enough structure — not as much as inflation would predict. Now the question is, is that a statistical fluke?

That is, we live in one universe, so we're a sample of one. With a sample of one, you have what is called a large sample variance. And maybe this just means we're lucky, that we just happen to live in a universe where the number's smaller than you'd predict. But when you look at CMB map, you also see that the structure that is observed, is in fact, in a weird way, correlated with the plane of the earth around the sun. Is this Copernicus coming back to haunt us? That's crazy. We're looking out at the whole universe. There's no way there should be a correlation of structure with our motion of the earth around the sun — the plane of the earth around the sun — the ecliptic. That would say we are truly the center of the universe.

The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is imply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales. And of course as a theorist I'm certainly hoping it's the latter, because I want theory to be wrong, not right, because if it's wrong there's still work left for the rest of us.

So, to bring it back to the OP and the video in question, it was indeed an entertaining trip down the rabbit hole and the presenter did make the information accessible and did so in an exuberant and novel manner, doing his best to explain the metaphysical aspect of the 21st that is currently beyond the ability of modern science to fully understand. Whether it is true or not, as he states in the video, "Don't believe me, but also, don't believe anything else anyone's ever told you either."

[Sloppyjoe]

just to be clear are you saying all these people who have talking about the rift, the galaxy line up etc. are just totally blowing smoke?

Yes, Im afraid they are. It's all a New Age myth with zero astronomical and physical substance or fact behind it.

21 December 2012 has become (for a minority of the world's population!) rather like Christmas Day -- imbued by cultural and societal (and global control) factors to be entirely artificially important.

But Jesus was not born on that day at all. It's just a belief system which folk subscribe to because most people want to believe something and create meaning in their lives. We humans do this all the time -- and 21 December 2012 is just another human-created ritual.

It's interesting to research where the "21 December" date came from. Much of the blame (and I use that word deliberately) lies with Terence McKenna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna), an inspired but basically loony acidhead who widely publicized the date in a book he wrote back in 1993. The original 21 December date came from Mayan researcher Robert Sharer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Sharer)

Prior to Sharer and McKenna's publication of their agreed idea of the end of the Mayan Calendar date, scholars had widely disagreed. Even last year, respected researcher Carl Calleman stated that the calendar "really" ended on 28 October (2011), and this too was widely touted. Of course, nothing happened on that day at all.

But the beliefs about 21 December, widely shared in the New Age community, make it "real" in societal terms. The rest of the physical universe doesn't know about that, though. It's purely a New Age cultural phenomenon, and nothing more. It will pass.

Let's look forward to 1 January 2013 (as I've often written) -- and then we can put all the hysteria behind us and focus on important matters. Dark Forces, whose interests and agendas are unwittingly supported with many otherwise able and perceptive people embracing the massive diversion and distraction, are having a field day. Next year it's important that we all get on with the job in hand.

As much as I want humanity to go through an enlightenment, I think a lot of theories as you provided have been made up. However, with any subject on this planet exists mostly disinformation with a tiny drop of truth. There are many angles you can take on 2012, and you listed a few but there are so many more. Given McKenna and many others blowing smoke, what about project looking glass? Montauk? The Hopi Prophecy that has been right about the 8 of 9 signs of the emergence of the 5th world? If all of those I mentioned are also hogwash then we all might as well consider 2012 to be one of the biggest hoaxes in history.

[Flash]

The above star map changes slowly for us earthlings, as our sun revolves around the galactic core about once every 220 million years, and oscillates above and below the galactic plane on an approximately 66 million year cycle. We last passed (let's say "up") through the galactic plane about 3 million years ago, and will pass again, going (let's say "down") the other way, in about another 30 million years. Right now, earth (and sun) are about 75 to 100 light years away ("up") from the galactic plane. The definition of the galactic plane is a little fuzzy, hence the imprecision in this distance.

The signs of the Zodiac, relative to the seasons here on earth, change more rapidly, on about a 26,000 year cycle. Right now, the winter solstice (shortest days in Northern Hemisphere) happens when the sun is rising near the constellation Sagittarius. In 13,000 years, it will be the summer solstice that happens when the sun is in Sagittarius. Whether this 26,000 year cycle is best explained as a wobbly earth (precessing like a child's top) or whether it is better explained as the entire solar system orbiting around a shared center of gravity with some other such large mass (perhaps the dog star Sirius) is subject to some debate. The later possibility would mean that our sun was part of a binary star system, which is fairly common.

The last paragraph probably only made half sense. Try looking at it this way. The earth is tilted some 23 degrees (quite a bit) relative to the solar or galactic planes (which are pretty close to each other.) The earth's seasons happen as the earth goes around the sun each year. In the Northern summer, the north pole is tipped toward the sun, and in the Northern winter, six months later, when the earth has moved half way around the sun, that very same tilt of the earth leaves the north pole tipped away from the sun. Currently, give or take many years, it so happens that the Northern winter (north pole further from sun) occurs when the earth is on (what I call) the "back side" of the sun, which the side of the sun away from the galactic core. The orientation of the earth's tilt keeps shifting however. In about 13,000 years, we will be having Northern winters when the earth is on the "front side" of the sun, between the sun and our galactic core.

Normal people who are into astronomy or astrology don't speak of the sun's front and back sides as I do. They speak of the signs of the zodiac, and of which of these 12 signs, spread around the sky, the sun appears to be "in" (meaning "in front of, from earth's viewpoint"), and relate that to the four seasons on earth. As the earth revolves around the sun every year, the sun appears to be "in" each of these 12 constellations, for about one month each. Also the astrological ages are based on where the sun appears at the vernal (spring) equinox. The sun has been in the constellation Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox for the last couple of thousand years, and we are now entering the Age of Aquarius, when the sun will be in the constellation Aquarius on the vernal equinox for the next couple thousand years. These astrological ages reflect the 26,000 year cycle described above.

In the previous paragraph, I used what's called the sidereal zodiac, based on where the sun appears relative the celestial background. Apparently most astrologers in my culture use some other Zodiac calendar called the tropical zodiac, which is nearly a month off, and which I don't understand any better than I do anything else involving astrology. In the sidereal Zodiac, as I write this, we are leaving Scorpia and entering Sagittarius. Apparently in the tropical Zodiac, we have been in Sagittarius for about three weeks already.

I truly like your explanations Paul. But, being a neophyte in the matter, I feel like I am reading Carmody right now. LOL

I will have to reread your post, cause I find it interesting and want to make sure I follow.

Thanks

[Hervé]

All right, Flash, hope this can help:


http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/Preces.htg/img.gif


http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/Preces.htg/img1.gif


... and a very intersting tidbit from the site where the above comes from (http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/Preces.htg/precession.htm):


The "Sun" (son) born of a Virgin (Virgo).


is (also) the Sun as it precesses out of the sign of Virgo into Leo, the sign of the King."


The Sphinx, of the Giza Plateau in Egypt, is a monument to the "birth" of the Sun (circa 10,500 BC).



Accordingly, there won't be another "King" born out of a "Virgin" for another 13,000 years... :) That's a lot of time for many more religions to maintain the myth.

Edit

There, finally found a diagram that shows it:


http://www.thecamino.com.ar/pia.gif

[ThePythonicCow]

But ... I feel like I am reading Carmody right now. LOL
Thank-you for the fine compliment :).

[ThePythonicCow]

but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.
Well, the extent and nature of those energetic effects seems subject to some debate :).

I have both feet rather firmly planted in the present 3D "seems real to me" physical world, so I'm biased that way. But from my view, the energetic effects are being substantially overplayed and/or misrepresented in much of what we read regarding 2012.

===

P.S. -- In other words, it seems (from the above) that Bill would say there are no such energetic effects that are of special interest for Dec 21, 2012, whereas I would say that there are no such effects that I've noticed (while admitting to be a bit thick skulled on such matters.)

[eaglespirit]

I'll take a big map with something to say with it over another video to watch any day. BTW. I saved the big picture.

Me too : )
Thanks, Paul

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-next-Friday-explained-in-gorgeous-visual&p=599285&viewfull=1#post599285
.......

Let's look forward to 1 January 2013 (as I've often written) -- and then we can put all the hysteria behind us and focus on important matters. Dark Forces, whose interests and agendas are unwittingly supported with many otherwise able and perceptive people embracing the massive diversion and distraction, are having a field day. Next year it's important that we all get on with the job in hand.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-next-Friday-explained-in-gorgeous-visual&p=599304&viewfull=1#post599304

And that is that...and I feel more and more will step into their 'real' job descriptions and really get to work to make real changes...hard workers getting together and getting the job done once and for all!
.......

And Thank You so much too, Flash...for energizing this info and discussion : )

[Hervé]

[...]

... the energetic effects are being substantially overplayed and/or misrepresented in much of what we read regarding 2012.

[...]

To get an idea on the confusion reigning on the subject:


Secrets of the Sphinx by Andrew Raymond is an amazing act of syntheses and one of the more informative books to be published in recent times. By reading this review and other pages linked from this site, you will discover that our scientists divide the 25,800-year cycle of our Earth into twelve ages instead of twelve months, and that the Great Sphinx in Egypt marks the "Happy New Year" of this cycle. The 25,800-year cycle of our planet with its four seasons is called the Great Year, the Platonic year (Plato's year), or the precession of the equinoxes in a comprehensive dictionary.

The four seasons of the great year are marked by Egypt’s four minor sphinxes, Ezekiel's four heads of the beast, Revelation’s four cherubim, and astronomy’s Taurus, Leo, Aquarius, and Scorpio (Abraham's Eagle) constellations.

http://www.revealer.com/web_img_review/current2.gif
Our Current Position in the Great Year
(Cross takes 25,800 years to make one turn through the twelve ages)

Our astrological birth signs no longer coincide with the sun's location in the constellations of the Zodiac because of precession. Even the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn are now the Tropic of Taurus and the Tropic of Scorpio when we observe the sun on the solstices? Our astrologers and map makers neglected to update our present position in the cosmos for over 2,000 years. We are not the astrological birth signs the newspapers and a majority of the astrologers proclaim we are!

[Carmody]

The only potential modifier I can toss into this conversation, is the idea of the 'electric universe'. In-depth experience has taught me that astrology does indeed work, exactly as that advertized. And that electrical function, as we know it and with some modifiers, does cover not just the skies, the heavens, but atomic function. Long story, which I cannot get into...but I AM doing cutting edge work in these areas.

It is with such an eye, I view alignments with planets, other stars, and the given galactic quadrants.

My primary point of interest, here, is the idea that the solar system is presently entering or (recently began) moving through an 'interstellar dust cloud' of sorts. Since it is, IMO and IME, an electric universe and this system or star system is in electric balance...the addition of dust of any kind, WILL change the charge level balance. This is indisputable (dust added to a highly stressed field condition). (current flow goes up, heating, field suppression or collapse)

The sun appears to be changing from a yellow sun to a more blue sun and this may be accelerated or caused by or related to this electric charge balance change (due to the addition of dust in the solar system). I pre-stated my position and understanding of astrology, and this adds in the effect of changing or re-balancing human awareness and/or psychology.

Then there is galactic energetic changes, but not sudden ones. Astrology can be and generally is spot on*, and down to the hour, if one has proper birth time/location information. Basically, the further out the planet from the sun, the slower it moves, the greater the time frame or area of time in which a predicted event may occur in the life. Then things like far away stars..mean slow long term changes. The galactic center as an alignment? Lightning strike? No. slow term, long term? Yes. Change....outside of (longer than) a given lifetime? Probably.

If there is any field-level charge-change or frequential change due to alignment with the galactic core it sure isn't going to happen like a lightning strike in the dark of night.

It is the is supposed dust cloud that is heating the planets and changing the charge level and balance of the solar system. That..has my attention.

Such a thing could cause global warming, like the record shows it has on all the planets. And that the charge change due to dust could disrupt the solar flare cycle of 11 years, and suppress the sun's flares..which it appears to have done.

AND, that it could cause the sun to suddenly correct, with massive flares (big burps!), during planetary alignments, both astronomical and astrological. Which is what has happened, from my observations.

Now, if this particular supposed 'alignment' could cause massive flares? Well.... I've not even bothered to check.

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*I mean 85%+ accuracy. I'm not using a weasel word. Put a gun in my face and the almighty kills me if I lie or am wrong...and I STILL say 85%+ accuracy. That, alone, as a fact, brings a whole new concept of the idea of human relation to the heavens. It is, at the least, a dimensional window or angular component issue, and this appears to be connected to electric value, as in atomic particle..all the way up to astronomical charge values. As above, so below. Same-same. Time is local, as relativity states. As in: charge value angular component differential. Time is not a fundamental, it is directly connected/related to particle charge value differential. (I could spend months explaining this, and have, all over this forum)

Oh yes, the idea that the astrological signs are wrong. Well, the interpretations of how the alignments affect the people are, for the very larger part..modern, so the names are not as relevant as one might think. As long as the descriptors and timing are correct. And the timing of the events (alignments or 'aspects') is done according to modern star/planet charts. So, there is hardly room for error, there, in those areas.

[gooty64]

Thanks to all of you on this thread at this very moment. ENOUGH!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I enjoyed watching this..
so, is that alignment really happening?
moon, earth, sun, plejadies, sirius, centre of galaxy all in a line....

does anybody know?
thanx

meat

No, it's not. (Astronomical fact. Do check it out...!)

aww man, you mean we are going to survive? I just spent all my Christmas money on Beer... DOH!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Time is not a fundamental, it is directly connected/related to particle charge value differential.
Could it be that time as measured by any physical process involving mass (however tiny) is relative, for example a cesium clock in one place may tick off time faster than one in another place, but that even to think such thoughts and say such things presumes an underlying more abstract conceptual time, against which all such physical processes can be compared? And if so, is there a physical locality to these non-uniformities in the "speed of time"?

The same might be said of Einstein saying gravity is the warping of space ... warping relative to what ... a conceptually abstract linear space?

(This is off topic - feel free to send me searching your past posts or to otherwise deflect or ignore this query. :).)

[Fred Steeves]

but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.
Well, the extent and nature of those energetic effects seems subject to some debate :).

I have both feet rather firmly planted in the present 3D "seems real to me" physical world, so I'm biased that way. But from my view, the energetic effects are being substantially overplayed and/or misrepresented in much of what we read regarding 2012.

===

P.S. -- In other words, it seems (from the above) that Bill would say there are no such energetic effects that are of special interest for Dec 21, 2012, whereas I would say that there are no such effects that I've noticed (while admitting to be a bit thick skulled on such matters.)

Hi Paul, me thinks this is where Hollywood propaganda has grossly distorted this whole deal. A large part of that distortion is the extreme focus on this particular day, which is absurd. Whoever is going to feel the effects of this astrological event, (which is what I think may be the basis of David Icke's truth vibrations) will already have been "feeling" them for some time now. They will also be felt long after the 21st. There will be no difference on the 20th, from the 22nd, same as no one feels any different on the day before their birthday, than they do the day after. This is not a "lightning strike", to borrow from Carmody's post.

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. :) So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

Most of us are not psychic, have not seen a reptilian, a worm hole, or a ghost, yet we do not disdain the ideas of these experiences, just because we have not had them ourselves. Now personally speaking, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt something is going on energetically, and so do a lot of others. A rapidly expanding field of consciousness is tough to ignore, whether the cause be individual, or something more general.

You know it's funny, because I'm not even a 2012 guy, yet I find myself here in the odd position of being it's defender, and possibly earning meself a 2012 stooge label. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif But I really do feel like I'm witnessing a very real, long term event, which is worthy of discussion here, being summarily dismissed based on what I think is an extremely effective disinformation campaign. We do have the baby/bathwater combination going here. Either that, or crazy old Uncle Freddie needs to be relegated to the channeling section.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif

Cheers,
Uncle Fred

[Bill Ryan]

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. :) So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

In my personal opinion, and in a nutshell -- yes, I'm afraid so. It's all a conceptual acid trip, with equal substance and just as diverting from hard reality.

[Fred Steeves]

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. :) So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

In my personal opinion, and in a nutshell -- yes, I'm afraid so. It's all a conceptual acid trip, with equal substance and just as diverting from hard reality.

Then I shall respectfully withdraw from this conversation.

Cheers,
Fred

[SilentFeathers]

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. :) So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

In my personal opinion, and in a nutshell -- yes, I'm afraid so. It's all a conceptual acid trip, with equal substance and just as diverting from hard reality.

A tad bit of a blunt and harsh way to put it for some, but I have to basically agree with ya. Many things are quite twisted, even right down to "saving money and creating jobs at Walmart"

I posted this on December 12th in another thread:


Re: what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

I sometimes wonder if this whole 12-21-2012 thing was thought up by a couple of dudes tripping on acid while they were fixated and starring at the Aztec calendar disc.....thinking it was Mayan

[sheddie]

Fred your input is very much appreciated ........ I enjoy your perspective and agree with it, not that my opinion is worth much except to myself ;)

[araucaria]

There seem to be a number of strands to the disinformation going on here.
First, the alignment with the galactic centre. This happens every day, every year and every epoch. As mentioned by David Wilcock, a Dr Spottiswoode paper, a metanalysis of all the paranormal research done over a period of 20+ years, shows that psychic powers increases 4-fold at times of alignment with the galactic centre. This is slightly out of sync with the 24-hour earth day, and given different times at different venues, the basic data is so jumbled that the conclusion becomes that much more striking. The fact remains that this alignment with the galactic centre would remove the local effect, and the entire planet would have their psychic powers increased simultaneously, perhaps 4-fold multiplied by the 100th-monkey effect. The fact that most of the time is business as usual does not preclude the possible occurrence of special aha moments; we have all had them, and this could be a big one of those, if only because we are collectively focussing on it.

Second, regarding the crossbar of the cross, the alignment of several planets would appear to coincide more or less with the Carrington event of 1859 when the power grid as was went down. This is the basis for projected CMEs on Dec 21st. When astronomers talk like astrologers it means, as Carmody points out, that they are referring, perhaps without knowing it, to an electrical universe. However, catastrophe theorists like Patrick Geryl are ignoring the rest of the astrological chart, and even with regard to alignments, they are altogether disregarding the alignment with the galactic centre at right angles to it. Whatever this means, 2012 is not 1859.

Thirdly and finally, the intrusion of Sirius, the Pleiades etc. into this picture is truly disinformation or misinformation that contradicts the very notion of alignment. As we all know, disinformation is not just unhelpful per se, it is especially unhelpful in the way it debunks the genuine information that it hides behind.

[gripreaper]

but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.
Well, the extent and nature of those energetic effects seems subject to some debate :).

And that is the debate. Science and Spirituality, which is where these two subjects are supposed to meet here at Avalon (See logo at top of page) is rooted in the oldest discipline on the planet, which is astrology.


I have both feet rather firmly planted in the present 3D "seems real to me" physical world, so I'm biased that way.

[In my personal opinion, and in a nutshell -- yes, I'm afraid so. It's all a conceptual acid trip, with equal substance and just as diverting from hard reality.

Speaking in general terms here, I get the point of the whole 2012 meme and the New Age Movement being instigated and propagated by the likes of Terrence McKenna and Jose Arguiles. I recognize the whole Esalen, Findhorn, social seminar circuit movement, the channeling movement, and all of the other permutations of which Bill speaks and is so adamant to point out.

I also recognize the need to remain grounded in 3D and face the hard issues each day which require us to be humane and interact with our fellow man in a humane and empathic way, but let’s be clear here about the deeper context being brushed aside in all the 2012 hoopla :

At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

So, I have a “hard time” sticking to the “hard reality” Newtonian Paradigm of the periodic chart of elements, and the basic combining of these elements and their properties based on heat or cooling. I’m more inclined, like the ancient Gnostics, to look at all things as energy, changeable, malleable, and influenced by the large masses of planets, by me (and the collective).

The Horus Ra thread discusses how the Archons manipulate energy to control the planet. The Wade Frazier thread discusses how to tap into the matrix and harness energy. Kimberly and we-R-one discuss how to be heart centered and focus energy towards a collective dream and a new paradigm based on individual power. Avalon is all about energy and how to preserve it, focus it, and emanate it towards an intentional manifestation.

All of the symbols and archetypes we have created, the etymology of language, are all based on the different frequencies of energy. The Gnostics were summarily eliminated from the planet through genocide because they taught the basic tenets of energetics, and the Archon’s know quite well the basic nature of the universe and how to manipulate it. This is what I mean by; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the debate is all about energy, and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

[Billy]

Hi everyone. Last year on the 2011 winter solstice i was in my friend Sunfeather's House. He dabbles in astrology. We decided to look ahead to see what the planetary positions would be on the 21st dec 2012. We were surprised to see no special alignments on that day. In fact the 2011 Dec 21st solstice had a much more interesting planetary positions than the 2012 Solstice.

I have been reading Wayne Herschel's site http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/galactic-alignment-2012-maya-calender-21-decemberand he mentions that there is an actual Mayan Prophecy concerning the days on and around 21st Dec 2012.

Quote:
GALACTIC ALIGNMENT DEC 2012 PROPHECY

The Maya never said it was a doomsday event or planetary alignment!

UPDATES! 15-12-12. This webpage will be updated almost daily saving best for last by adding more crucial breaking new material closer to 'Sol Invictus' to limit interference to the website server. See the new material added below.

Prophecy definition... the Maya prophecy for December 2012 especially should be taken merely as a general time marker. The Maya claim of a prophecy of a sighting of a UFO and messenger that follows below is probably not even going to occur on the exact day many think it is... or the week... or the month... or maybe within as long as a whole year. These prophecies are not written in stone and will come to pass especially when it is SAFE for a 'messenger' event to occur.

I am one who believes these prophecies are part of a vast almanac spanning many centuries, so it is very unlikely any prophecy will unfold on a precise date.

The image at the top of the page is the actual astronomy looking from the Earth on December 21st 2012 at sunrise at the Galactic alignment December 2012 (ref). Note there is no unique aligning of planets as many new age sites like to claim. There is also not much planetary alignment behind the Earth as well on the 21st. The most impressive alignment occurs 4 days later on Sol Invictus (see below).

In this first accurate 'full visual' graphic of the Galactic Alignment on the 21st December on the internet, the Sun is uniquely situated crossing the exact centre of our Galactic plane, and is quite impressive as a time marker for any ancient advanced civilisation like the Maya to reference prophecies or ages. Note... usage of the image is free on condition it is not altered and a ref to The Hidden Records web page is given.

Venus and Mercury on the right are to the side (not aligned) and between us and the Sun in Scorpio and on the other side of the Sun we have Mars and far far away very insignificantly we have Pluto in Sagittarius. This is no big cosmic deal, because the last few years and especially in 1998 the Sun was very close to this Galactic position. Sure it was not perfectly central but so close that if I rendered the image for it nobody would see the difference. Nothing cosmic happened then and with it being fractionally more perfect in alignment now, probably means on a cosmic level nothing is expected to happen this time either.

But here is what is special and what was missed:

The Maya have chosen this date as the end of Baktun 13... a cycle of time of an era ending and a new era beginning, but its importance is to present a valuable prophecy message of a time of Earth changes and the sighting of something in the sky and the arrival of a messenger.

The Maya probably knew of the Sun position at the Galactic centre crossing of which they often mentioned as crossing 'the black road' in the Milky Way (the dark part of the galaxy centre) but they never ever wrote or sketched a damn thing on the precise astronomy of the December 2012 Galactic crossing!

The full reference of this Maya Baktun 13 end of an era event with all specifics and facts as well as the galactic crossing astronomy and how many different cults have added their cult to it with what they believe...

THE REAL PROPHECY OF THE MAYA

There is a Maya prophecy written at the Maya site Tortuguero in Mexico dated around 1300 years ago and it speaks of the time of the end of Baktun 13 4 Ajaw 3 K'ank'in precisely the date scholars suggest falls on December 21st 2012. It claims something very important occurs... something probably seen in the sky. Here is the prophecy:

It will be completed
on the 13th b'ak'tun. (end of 2012)
It is 4 Ajaw 3 K'ank'in (21 Dec)
and it will happen a 'sighting' (something in the sky)
It is the display of B'olon-Yokte' (Tree of Life Deity)
in a great ceremonial founding of authority

For the reference source of this prophecy:

Please read full article here. http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/galactic-alignment-2012-maya-calender-21-december

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

And that is the debate. Science and Spirituality, which is where these two subjects are supposed to meet here at Avalon (See logo at top of page)

Thanks, Grip, for your excellent post (and there are many other excellent posts on this thread: all should be read carefully).

Just grabbing the talking stick here for just a moment to clarify -- especially to any new members reading this -- that I am very far indeed from being any kind of hardcore materialist.

For the umpteenth time to some reading this, I've seen an ET physically materialize in my room when I was wide awake, I very regularly experience psychic abilities in myself and others, and am under no illusion that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose (the famous quote from the great evolutionary biologist J B S Haldane). I suspect that the Truth is very strange indeed.

My point is that compared with that Truth, the variously prevalent New Age myths are extremely simplistic and are almost all based on wishful thinking... a dangerous habit when all our liberties, freedoms, consciousness, bodies and Planet Earth itself are all under attack from demonic agendas -- and this is the reality.

The Archons (and they certainly exist, whatever one would name them) are having a field day at all the naivete -- which disables many otherwise potentially very able people.

We're taking ourselves out via our own weaknesses. Ultimately, it's all about the necessary courage to confront the way things really are.

I look forward to the next Hitler parody when he is told, on 22 December, that nothing whatsoever of note happened the previous day.

:)

[gripreaper]

For the umpteenth time to some reading this, I've seen an ET physically materialize in my room when I was wide awake, I very regularly experience psychic abilities in myself and others, and am under no illusion that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose (the famous quote from the great evolutionary biologist J B S Haldane). I suspect that the Truth is very strange indeed.
:)

Thanks for the clarification Bill. Time for intermission:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-NXwRUQcmg

[Ernie Nemeth]

Something most definitely will happen that day, the 21st of December 2012.

I, for one, will never believe anything again. Either I will know, or I will have no opinion about anything. This has been permeating through my entire being this year. So many of my cherished illusions have fallen by the wayside. I have lost my favorite belief these last few months. I no longer believe in God. Not as any type of Being ever portrayed by any religion, at least. The idea of God has lost all its appeal and most of its palliative effect, for me. I have not believed a word uttered by the media since I was old enough to know better. Politicians too. Science and scientific facts took longer to shun as the logic seemed so compelling until it became clear that there were vested interests far more concerned with tenures and grants than the truth. And now the spiritual has been attacked with such force that even that bulwark of a foundation for a life of meaning is now shaken.

I have no meaning left to cling too. I now live a meaningless life. Maybe now I can let go of trying to figure out my purpose and just be happy living day to day. A tall order for me, but I will perservere.

Good luck to all on that fateful day and beyond.

I hope you naysayers are right.

[Mark]

I feel you, Ernie. Strangely enough, our friends Tony, Bob, Carmody, Jenci, Greybeard, Sirdipswitch and others have been making this same point for quite a long time now, as have many others that those of us who've been around a while can attest to.

Moderation. Don't go to extremes of either disbelief or belief. Live in the Now, achieve equanimity by being measured in all of our thoughts, words and actions.

I have to agree that in-depth study of the New Age and the times can leave one in a space of permanent suspicion, as there are so many agendas, so little known for certain, so many questions, so few direct answers. I think this is actually a good place to be, as long as one does not fall prey to despair and depression as a result, going too far in the opposite direction as a result of being disappointed by the non-occurrence of so much that seemed so wonderful and beautiful and transformative.

Expecting a savior in the form of a comet, a gigantic planet, dieties or aliens returning to earth, or leaving this reality altogether is a panacea sometimes that it seems folks use in order to get around doing their own internal and personal work.

For those who follow the path of personal transformation I know it has often been quite interesting to listen to groups and people espousing certain beliefs that put all of the effort on other entities and forms of consciousness, that all they have to do is believe and everything will be more than alright, it will be perfect. Without them having to change a thing about themselves. Having to go through the dark night of the soul to recognize their own shortcomings and deviations from the energetically-conservative mean of lived moral consciousness and then doing something about it, moving to control the mental processes, emotions, words and actions, living an evolved life instead of just thinking about it or spouting the words as if that were the same as being what you are talking about.

Perhaps I can suggest that your life is not meaningless. Instead, you have found the meaning that underlies all that people think of as being important and found that it is beyond the concerns and definitions of convention. That meaning itself is a palliative, as you put it, and the Truth lies somewhere beyond.

[Freed Fox]

Ernie, I'm sorry to hear that you have been disheartened as of late. The worst part of it is, I know that there is nothing I can say to persuade you that yes, life does have meaning, or that truth will ultimately prevail over any deception. It does not seem this way to us because there is just so much deception now. And no matter how much I believe in something, I cannot transfer such a belief onto anyone else. Even though we can be in touch, and share with one another our experiences and beliefs, we are bound to our own individual paths through this life.

Personally, I never believed anything catastrophic would happen on the 21st. I maintain a hopeful enthusiasm around the idea that something quite good might happen, even if that good is fabricated out of our projected beliefs and energy toward that date.

[jagman]

I was wondering if anyone could confirm what was stated in the video about the decay rates of nuclear particles are speeding up? I think the guy in the video stated that a study was done at Prudue University.

[greybeard]

Something most definitely will happen that day, the 21st of December 2012.

I, for one, will never believe anything again. Either I will know, or I will have no opinion about anything. This has been permeating through my entire being this year. So many of my cherished illusions have fallen by the wayside. I have lost my favorite belief these last few months. I no longer believe in God. Not as any type of Being ever portrayed by any religion, at least. The idea of God has lost all its appeal and most of its palliative effect, for me. I have not believed a word uttered by the media since I was old enough to know better. Politicians too. Science and scientific facts took longer to shun as the logic seemed so compelling until it became clear that there were vested interests far more concerned with tenures and grants than the truth. And now the spiritual has been attacked with such force that even that bulwark of a foundation for a life of meaning is now shaken.

I have no meaning left to cling too. I now live a meaningless life. Maybe now I can let go of trying to figure out my purpose and just be happy living day to day. A tall order for me, but I will perservere.

Good luck to all on that fateful day and beyond.

I hope you naysayers are right.

Ernie my friend---when all has gone what is left?
That which has always been there and always will be ----present---awareness--- namely your SELF.
Agreed that when all is departing--all the beliefs-- all that seems to give us identity--- it is very flat and uncomfortable.
I know because I am there.
I also know from what I have read that this is a transition stage and SELF will emerge--free at last of illusion.

So be of good heart.
With love
Chris

PS there is a stage which Ramesh Balsekar describes as flip-flop.
So one moment there is clear seeing that there is SELF and undivided state--one without a second--then it reverts to egoic consciousness and there is a sense of flatness--there is the sense--this is not it--the truth has been glimpsed or sensed.
Eventually it will settle down in unity consciousness or whatever you care to call it.

[Mark]

I was wondering if anyone could confirm what was stated in the video about the decay rates of nuclear particles are speeding up? I think the guy in the video stated that a study was done at Prudue University.

Hi Jag, that part of the video was David Sereda. He seems to be tied into the science in a direct way, he does a lot of primary research himself and makes jewelry that is energetically charged. I don't know if it is true or not, but Sereda's work is also interesting. Here is the most recent vid of his I could find, posted 2 Dec. I haven't watched the whole thing yet but I expect he'll mention the decay rates again, as it is one of the most important parts of his thesis about what is going on:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDr64MFFebE

Oh, Carmody, thank you for adding the electrical universe stuff, that's a theory that I also find viable, and I concur with all you said and say regarding astrology as well. The OP video actually talks about the Photon Belt as a vertical wheel/donut of energy that spans above and below the galactic plane and that we are entering. From my research, and as Paul posted earlier, we are actually 50-70LY above the galactic plane now, according to scientific sources who think they know. The intriguing aspect of it is that the presenter equates the connection of memory to magnetics, stating that as Sol-system enters this region of space - coupled with its arrival at some fateful point in the Dark Rift region of the Milky Way galaxy - the Earth's magnetic field will stop and reset itself. This loss of magnetics could result in a world-wide amnesia, and/or the expected "spark" received from some energy source (alcyone, sirius, central suns) that super-charges the sun and affects consciousness here on earth. He also states that the earth will stop as well (for 3 days, of course) and change direction, with half the world experiencing extended light, the other half, extended darkness. Or, if that doesn't happen, then the universe will contract.

Very entertaining stuff with enough alternative science included to make it interesting.

[gripreaper]

This is the epitome of the 2012 meme in all it's...well proclivities? It has all the buzzwords. Come on, laugh with me. It's only 8 minutes you can never get back!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aC4ou2Jqjd8

I am going to have fun with this on December 22nd. I love humor!

[greybeard]

Frankly no one knows what the future hold but certainly there are cyclic events---not necessarily the same but similar.
So having looked at scientific and spiritual information my feeling is that something on going is happening.
In an earlier video David Sereda has said he would be very surprised if noting happens--regarding energy which is seemingly coming from the centre of the universe, we are moving into an area where we could be affected.
Assuming this energy is a reality then some scientist say this could change our DNA-- jump us into the next species of human being.
I can but hope.
There is a lot of evidence to support this hope and there is a lot of contra evidence.
So all I can be is open minded with hope being on the side of something positive happening, though not necessarily on the one day, therefore the 21st can come and go with nothing happening without me loosing hope.

Chris

[Mark]

Here is a source for the decay rates: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100830FischbachJenkinsDec.html

Purdue-Stanford team finds radioactive decay rates vary with the sun's rotation
August 30, 2010

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Radioactive decay rates, thought to be unique physical constants and counted on in such fields as medicine and anthropology, may be more variable than once thought.

A team of scientists from Purdue and Stanford universities has found that the decay of radioactive isotopes fluctuates in synch with the rotation of the sun's core.

The fluctuations appear to be very small but could lead to predictive tools for solar flares and may have an impact on medical radiation treatments.

This adds to evidence of swings in decay rates in response to solar activity and the distance between the Earth and the sun that Purdue researchers Ephraim Fischbach, a professor of physics, and Jere Jenkins, a nuclear engineer, have been gathering for the last four years. The Purdue team previously reported observing a drop in the rate of decay that began a day and half before and peaked during the December 2006 solar flare and an annual fluctuation that appeared to be based on the Earth's orbit of, and changing distance from, the sun, Jenkins said.

"If the relationship between solar activity and decay rates proves to be true, it could lead to a method of predicting solar flares, which could help prevent damage to satellites and electric grids, as well as save the lives of astronauts in space," Jenkins said. "Finding that the decay rates fluctuate in a pattern that matches known and theoretical solar frequencies is compelling evidence for a solar influence on decay rates."

Jenkins and Fischbach collaborated with Peter Sturrock, a professor emeritus of applied physics at Stanford University and an expert on the inner workings of the sun, to examine data collected at Brookhaven National Laboratory on the rate of decay of the radioactive isotopes silicon-32 and chlorine-36. The team reported in the journal Astroparticle Physics that the decay rate for both isotopes varies in a 33-day recurring pattern, which they attribute to the rotation rate of the sun's core.

In general, the fluctuations that Jenkins and Fischbach have found are around a tenth of a percent from what is expected, as they've examined available published data and taken some measurements themselves.

The team has not yet examined isotopes used in medical radiation treatments or for dating of ancient artifacts.

"The fluctuations we're seeing are fractions of a percent and are not likely to radically alter any major anthropological findings," Fischbach said. "One of our next steps is to look into the isotopes used medically to see if there are any variations that would lead to overdosing or underdosing in radiation treatments, but there is no cause for alarm at this point. What is key here is that what was thought to be a constant actually varies and we've discovered a periodic oscillation where there shouldn't be one."

Jenkins and Fischbach suggest that the changes in the decay rates are due to interactions with solar neutrinos, nearly weightless particles created by nuclear reactions within the sun's core that travel almost at the speed of light.

It is estimated that about 60 billion solar neutrinos pass through a person's fingernail every second, but they are so weakly reactive that they pass right through the body without disturbing or changing anything, Jenkins said.

"We haven't known the solar neutrino to interact significantly with anything, but it fits with the evidence we've gathered as the likely source of these fluctuations," he said. "So, what we're suggesting is that something that can't interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed."

The Purdue team has ruled out the possibility of experimental error or an environmental influence on the detection systems that track the rate of decay as being responsible for the fluctuations and published a series of papers in the journals Astroparticle Physics, Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research, and Space Science Reviews.

Sturrock said it is an effect that no one yet understands and that if it is not neutrinos that are responsible, then perhaps there is an unknown particle interacting with the atoms.

"It would have to be something we don't know about - an unknown particle that is also emitted by the sun and has this effect - and that would be even more remarkable," he said.

[araucaria]

And that is the debate. Science and Spirituality, which is where these two subjects are supposed to meet here at Avalon (See logo at top of page)

Thanks, Grip, for your excellent post (and there are many other excellent posts on this thread: all should be read carefully).

Just grabbing the talking stick here for just a moment to clarify -- especially to any new members reading this -- that I am very far indeed from being any kind of hardcore materialist.

For the umpteenth time to some reading this, I've seen an ET physically materialize in my room when I was wide awake, I very regularly experience psychic abilities in myself and others, and am under no illusion that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose (the famous quote from the great evolutionary biologist J B S Haldane). I suspect that the Truth is very strange indeed.

My point is that compared with that Truth, the variously prevalent New Age myths are extremely simplistic and are almost all based on wishful thinking... a dangerous habit when all our liberties, freedoms, consciousness, bodies and Planet Earth itself are all under attack from demonic agendas -- and this is the reality.

The Archons (and they certainly exist, whatever one would name them) are having a field day at all the naivete -- which disables many otherwise potentially very able people.

We're taking ourselves out via our own weaknesses. Ultimately, it's all about the necessary courage to confront the way things really are.

I look forward to the next Hitler parody when he is told, on 22 December, that nothing whatsoever of note happened the previous day.

:)

Respectfully, Bill, I don't think naivety comes into it as much as you suggest, or that courage to face realities is lacking.

Also, I am intrigued that some people find so many things reducible to that Hitler bunker meme. It is beginning to take on a life of its own :)

[Mark]

This article from the NASA website (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/) was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

Voyager Makes an Interstellar Discovery

The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA's Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explains lead author Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19655&d=1355693095

Image above: Voyager flies through the outer bounds of the heliosphere en route to interstellar space. A strong magnetic field reported by Opher et al in the Dec. 24, 2009, issue of Nature is delineated in yellow. Image copyright 2009, The American Museum of Natural History.

The discovery has implications for the future when the solar system will eventually bump into other, similar clouds in our arm of the Milky Way galaxy.

Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*," says Opher. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19654&d=1355693095

Image Above: An artist's concept of the Local Interstellar Cloud, also known as the "Local Fluff." Credit: Linda Huff (American Scientist) and Priscilla Frisch (University of Chicago)

NASA's two Voyager probes have been racing out of the solar system for more than 30 years. They are now beyond the orbit of Pluto and on the verge of entering interstellar space—but they are not there yet.

"The Voyagers are not actually inside the Local Fluff," says Opher. "But they are getting close and can sense what the cloud is like as they approach it."

The Fluff is held at bay just beyond the edge of the solar system by the sun's magnetic field, which is inflated by solar wind into a magnetic bubble more than 10 billion km wide. Called the "heliosphere," this bubble acts as a shield that helps protect the inner solar system from galactic cosmic rays and interstellar clouds. The two Voyagers are located in the outermost layer of the heliosphere, or "heliosheath," where the solar wind is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas.

Voyager 1 entered the heliosheath in Dec. 2004; Voyager 2 followed almost 3 years later in Aug. 2007. These crossings were key to Opher et al's discovery.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=19656&d=1355693200

Image Above: The anatomy of the heliosphere. Since this illustration was made, Voyager 2 has joined Voyager 1 inside the heliosheath, a thick outer layer where the solar wind is slowed by the pressure of interstellar gas. Credit: NASA/Walt Feimer.

The size of the heliosphere is determined by a balance of forces: Solar wind inflates the bubble from the inside while the Local Fluff compresses it from the outside. Voyager's crossings into the heliosheath revealed the approximate size of the heliosphere and, thus, how much pressure the Local Fluff exerts. A portion of that pressure is magnetic and corresponds to the ~5 microgauss Opher's team has reported in Nature.

The fact that the Fluff is strongly magnetized means that other clouds in the galactic neighborhood could be, too. Eventually, the solar system will run into some of them, and their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now. Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space. On the other hand, astronauts wouldn't have to travel so far because interstellar space would be closer than ever. These events would play out on time scales of tens to hundreds of thousands of years, which is how long it takes for the solar system to move from one cloud to the next.

"There could be interesting times ahead!" says Opher.

[ThePythonicCow]

I also recognize the need to remain grounded in 3D and face the hard issues each day which require us to be humane and interact with our fellow man in a humane and empathic way, but let’s be clear here about the deeper context being brushed aside in all the 2012 hoopla :

At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

So, I have a “hard time” sticking to the “hard reality” Newtonian Paradigm of the periodic chart of elements, and the basic combining of these elements and their properties based on heat or cooling. I’m more inclined, like the ancient Gnostics, to look at all things as energy, changeable, malleable, and influenced by the large masses of planets, by me (and the collective).

...
All of the symbols and archetypes we have created, the etymology of language, are all based on the different frequencies of energy. The Gnostics were summarily eliminated from the planet through genocide because they taught the basic tenets of energetics, and the Archon’s know quite well the basic nature of the universe and how to manipulate it. This is what I mean by; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the debate is all about energy, and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.
Good post, grip.

I suspect, from the vantage point of how I look at things, that a couple of things are being confused here.

My present, ever evolving and inadequately articulated, understanding of the physics of the Universe would sound to the casual observer more like what you describe above. I view Newtonian mechanics as a brilliantly oversimplified and quite useful model of one level of ordering of some of the larger masses and motions in our Universe, but a model that leaves out far, far more than it admits. There is plenty of room in my model for ET's and psychic awareness, even though my personal conscious awareness of such in this life approximates zilch. I am quite certain there is a city called Paris in France, even though I've not visited there. The physical Universe, across a very wide range of scales, can better be understood as electrified plasma than as masses in Newtonian motion. Astrology and alchemy have deep roots in an awareness of "how things are."

That's a thumbnail sketch of my present views ... they keep changing.

However ...

Even as my specific views in so many subjects keep changing, sometimes in quite radical ways over the years, I remain convinced that we can understand, with a disciplined consistency. Words have meanings, and those meanings, those concepts behind our words, deserve to be built with as much clarity and consistency as we can muster, even as we are well aware that those concepts, like the images in the artists mind, and those words, like the paints on his brush, are but pale and ever shifting facsimiles of what is.

I appreciate the fruits of the labors of such investigators as Joseph P. Farrell and Paul LaViolette, and I rail against what strikes me as the snake oil salesmanship of those such as Nassim Haramein (sorry, Nassim fans), who seems (to me) to choose his words to impress, rather than from an inner compulsion to be clear, consistent and true.

I look for (1) those who endeavor to be true to what is, as opposed to (2) those who would entertain themselves or the audience with impressions of some currently popular imaginings of how things are, or (3) those who would plant seeds of new confusions, for their own nefarious purposes.

My point ...

My point in this rambling is that this is not about new age physics versus old age physics. Bill in his studies and experiences, and myself in my studies, both, from what I can tell, are certain that there are truths in "new age" physics (e.g. - ET's, psychics, electric plasmas, astrology, alchemy, ...) that are beyond the reach of "old age" physics.

Rather this is about knowing in one's bones that there is an underlying truth, and remaining committed to seek out and act in accordance with that truth, even as we realize how flimsy our efforts might be at times.

I sense that some of the key instigating purveyors of 2012 apocalypticism lacked that commitment. Perhaps, as others have suggested, they were too stoned out of their gourds to spell such words.

I would urge others not to let an apparent, but superficial, endorsement of new age physics be a criteria by which one chooses what to consider further. Look beneath the surface, for the ceaseless striving for core structural integrity.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have no meaning left to cling too. I now live a meaningless life. Maybe now I can let go of trying to figure out my purpose and just be happy living day to day.
Perhaps that is our purpose, our meaning ... to continue trying to figure this out.

That some old ideas have been discarded as meaningless ... that's good ... it is a sign that you're still in the hunt.

Sooner or later I suspect all our ideas get discarded as meaningless, even as they are the mental embodiment of that which is, our search for meaning.

[gripreaper]

Thank You Paul. Very articulate and erudite synopsis you have made in response. It is abundantly clear to me that you are true to your self and are always in the hunt for further clarification of truth, and I much appreciate your candor, grace and sensitivity to the discourse, no matter where it may lead, or to what context the viewer is perceiving it.

You are a rare gem in this age of so much information, and your ability to distill that information into a cohesive synthesis is always refreshing. I'm honored to sit at your feet and listen to your wisdom.

[Rocky_Shorz]

what are everyone's feelings about Mr X the archivist that read classified memos from ET's stating that 2012 they will be here whether we want them or not...

have we stopped them from coming?

has black ops gotten so sophisticated that we have better weapons than ET's millions of years more advanced than us?

have disasters been diverted, so they aren't sending the ARKs?

we'll always have unanswered questions...

[we-R-one]

At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

So, I have a “hard time” sticking to the “hard reality” Newtonian Paradigm of the periodic chart of elements, and the basic combining of these elements and their properties based on heat or cooling. I’m more inclined, like the ancient Gnostics, to look at all things as energy, changeable, malleable, and influenced by the large masses of planets, by me (and the collective).

The Horus Ra thread discusses how the Archons manipulate energy to control the planet. The Wade Frazier thread discusses how to tap into the matrix and harness energy. Kimberly and we-R-one discuss how to be heart centered and focus energy towards a collective dream and a new paradigm based on individual power. Avalon is all about energy and how to preserve it, focus it, and emanate it towards an intentional manifestation.

All of the symbols and archetypes we have created, the etymology of language, are all based on the different frequencies of energy. The Gnostics were summarily eliminated from the planet through genocide because they taught the basic tenets of energetics, and the Archon’s know quite well the basic nature of the universe and how to manipulate it. This is what I mean by; don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, the debate is all about energy, and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

Grip what a dy-NO-mite post- You sure have an excellent communication skill set which allows you to put ideas on paper in a way that just flows. It is about energy, the future is energy! And it's our belief systems that allow it to be malleable, but we as a human race have yet to grasp this understanding on a mass scale. You see I don't buy into the "I believe in nothing" mantra. Bottom line, beliefs shape realities, they go hand in hand.....at least in this universe :p, and the "new science" is there to prove it. So if you didn't believe in anything you wouldn't be down here. It's the same for those who say "manifestation" isn't possible in this reality. It's not possible because the core base of the population doesn't "believe" it's possible and therefore because the core base doesn't believe, it thereby effects the energy field which is responsible for shaping our reality. In time, the human race of this planet will have the ability to manipulate and harness energy on a mass scale, which in turn will catapult the evolution process to a level never before seen.

Currently we're experiencing the breakdown of belief systems, which is why several feel lost - They're realizing that many of these beliefs were based on false information that had been fed to them their entire lives and beyond. This breakdown is a good thing and needed if we're to move forward as a civilization. So Ernie, don't despair, this is just part of the process and you're headed in the right direction as this is how transformation takes place.

Most important to point out....we have to get our spirituality in line first! You do not want a civilization having the ability to both harness and manifest energy without the proper development of one's spiritual side. If this is overlooked it can spell disaster as it opens Pandora's box for the potential of abuse and misuse.

For those who haven't seen this definition below, it explains beautifully how dimensions are created. I know this definition is accurate as it follows what the scientific studies of Epigenetics have shown to be true. There is a shift happening, and for me, I don't need some explosive event to occur on Dec. 21, 2012 to identify what is taking shape before my very eyes. I can see for myself via my own personal experiences, the words of fellow poster's comments and the various topics covered from external sources, that suggest a change is on the horizon.

DIMENSION- A dimension is a state of consciousness. When you look at what we know about dimensions, what we find is that each is about a unique set of beliefs. Our current 3D consciousness was not established until enough people began to believe the same way. And the current 5D consciousness will not be established until enough of the people existing there figure out how to live in unity. So we see that when enough people live a set of beliefs they create a dimension.

Going further, a state of consciousness/dimension vibrates at a certain frequency just as all physical matter has a distinguishing vibration or frequency. In our universe, the closer we get to the integration point of Light and Dark, the faster we vibrate (compassion being the integration point with the fastest vibratory rate). So, if a whole group of people acquire a particular set of beliefs, in this case, the understanding of how to live at the integration point between Light and Dark, then they all begin to vibrate at that particular rate. This vibratory rate is also known as a frequency. Continuing on, this group vibration creates a new consciousness, a new reality, and a new dimension by the individuals in the group expressing themselves emotionally, creatively, etc.
Source: Jelaila Starr

[ThePythonicCow]

Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*," says Opher. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."
Thanks for the informative post, Rahkyt.

They say this interstellar cloud contains hydrogen and helium atoms. They also say that it has a magnetic field. But magnetic fields mean moving charges. Hydrogen and helium are electrically neutral, not charged. So there is more than those atoms in that cloud. There's plasma -- moving charged matter and fascinating electromagnetic fields.

[we-R-one]

This article from the NASA website (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/) was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

uuugh, I just cringe when anything is posted from NASA. How can we be sure that what they state is even accurate? Please don't take it personal....I appreciate you taking the time to pull this up.....it's just a source I struggle to trust especially on this topic, as I know jack crap, lol. Help me out here..

[jagman]

This article from the NASA website (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/) was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.

uuugh, I just cringe when anything is posted from NASA. How can we be sure that what they state is even accurate? Please don't take it personal....I appreciate you taking the time to pull this up.....it's just a source I struggle to trust especially on this topic, as I know jack crap, lol. Help me out here..

Rahkyt was helping me out with a question I posed earlier in the thread. Everyone knows Nasa puts out alot of bogus info but For myself, When I investigate a topic
I try to look at has many sources has possible. Then I try to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

[Bill Ryan]

I am going to have fun with this on December 22nd. I love humor!

I can't wait. :)

[we-R-one]

Rahkyt was helping me out with a question I posed earlier in the thread. Everyone knows Nasa puts out alot of bogus info but For myself, When I investigate a topic I try to look at has many sources has possible. Then I try to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks Jagman, I was thinking that after I posted.....I guess that's the only way, but then again, unless you know anything about the source, it's hard to identify who's giving you truth and who's giving you fiction especially when the topic requires a scientific background at a level that most of us haven't acquired. I'm no astrologist there-by making the process of sifting through this type of information all the more challenging .

By the way, did you take out the trash today and recycle? :whip: Just checkin.........lmao

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am going to have fun with this on December 22nd. I love humor!

I can't wait. :)

usually no one is excited about my birthday, it's always Christmas... ;)

this year parties worldwide!!!

[jagman]

Im going to train my cat to take my trash out missy lol Then i will post it on youtube. here kitty kitty

[Wind]

I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want to admit it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want admit it.

it is overwelming...

I opened a beer thread because I feel almost drunk...

haven't been drinking in I don't remember...

the ancient Kings insights passed to me when my BOI passed making me King David, I suddenly had ancient knowing, and everywhere I looked it made sense...

I felt like this back then, was this the first level and there is a higher? are all of you at Avalon, joining me in this energy rise since our Spirits are connected?


we came here to "be" at this moment in time...


are we all on a spaceship called 5th Dimension, in Sleep chambers playing a reality game to keep our minds sharp...


The game comes to an end as we approach the planet...


what if in a few days this game ends and we walk into a virgin world...


no pollution, no oil, no weapons or wars no Bankers or Politicians...




(I just looked up and this was post 77 and I've been Thanked 13,333 times)


so many synchronicities hitting one after another...

[jagman]

I've been always been highly intuitive (both curse & gift) and for the last few days I've been feeling intense energy flow. I really can't say that what it is, but I do know that it feels good. It makes me feel joyous and tired at the same time. I know that I'm not the only one having these feelings. The Dark Brothers are trying to hold our energies down by bombarding us with really negative news. Well, it ain't working anymore. Their time is over, they just don't want admit it.

it is overwelming...

I opened a beer thread because I feel almost drunk...

haven't been drinking in I don't remember...

the ancient Kings insights passed to me when my BOI passed making me King David, I suddenly had ancient knowing, and everywhere I looked it made sense...

I felt like this back then, was this the first level and there is a higher? are all of you at Avalon, joining me in this energy rise since our Spirits are connected?


we came here to "be" at this moment in time...


are we all on a spaceship called 5th Dimension, in Sleep chambers playing a reality game to keep our minds sharp...


The game comes to an end as we approach the planet...


what if in a few days this game ends and we walk into a virgin world...


no pollution, no oil, no weapons or wars no Bankers or Politicians...




(I just looked up and this was post 77 and I've been Thanked 13,333 times)


so many synchronicities hitting one after another...

Spoiler alert: 13334 times. sorry back to topic:whoo:

[Chester]

but this does not negate the astrology or the energetic effects.
Well, the extent and nature of those energetic effects seems subject to some debate :).

I have both feet rather firmly planted in the present 3D "seems real to me" physical world, so I'm biased that way. But from my view, the energetic effects are being substantially overplayed and/or misrepresented in much of what we read regarding 2012.

===

P.S. -- In other words, it seems (from the above) that Bill would say there are no such energetic effects that are of special interest for Dec 21, 2012, whereas I would say that there are no such effects that I've noticed (while admitting to be a bit thick skulled on such matters.)

Hi Paul, me thinks this is where Hollywood propaganda has grossly distorted this whole deal. A large part of that distortion is the extreme focus on this particular day, which is absurd. Whoever is going to feel the effects of this astrological event, (which is what I think may be the basis of David Icke's truth vibrations) will already have been "feeling" them for some time now. They will also be felt long after the 21st. There will be no difference on the 20th, from the 22nd, same as no one feels any different on the day before their birthday, than they do the day after. This is not a "lightning strike", to borrow from Carmody's post.

By the way Bill, I'm still talking to you too here brother. (LOL) Just singling Paul out for the quote. :) So let me see if I have this straight here. Because Hollywood, and the dancing around naked New Age movement have taken science, astronomy, and astrology, and turned this whole event into a freak show of disinformation, we're supposed to assume the whole lot is a load of steaming bullspit?

Most of us are not psychic, have not seen a reptilian, a worm hole, or a ghost, yet we do not disdain the ideas of these experiences, just because we have not had them ourselves. Now personally speaking, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt something is going on energetically, and so do a lot of others. A rapidly expanding field of consciousness is tough to ignore, whether the cause be individual, or something more general.

You know it's funny, because I'm not even a 2012 guy, yet I find myself here in the odd position of being it's defender, and possibly earning meself a 2012 stooge label. http://www.bigtenfever.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif But I really do feel like I'm witnessing a very real, long term event, which is worthy of discussion here, being summarily dismissed based on what I think is an extremely effective disinformation campaign. We do have the baby/bathwater combination going here. Either that, or crazy old Uncle Freddie needs to be relegated to the channeling section.http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif

Cheers,
Uncle Fred

I think you are very sensitive to others and that you are picking up on others energies... so I don't think you are goofy at all. If people get all wound up on hype, they are still wound up. I just think you are feeling it... and that we all (well most of us) want a big change and for the positive... and you are feeling it.

[Hervé]

Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

[...]
Thanks for the informative post, Rahkyt.

They say this interstellar cloud contains hydrogen and helium atoms. They also say that it has a magnetic field. But magnetic fields mean moving charges. Hydrogen and helium are electrically neutral, not charged. So there is more than those atoms in that cloud. There's plasma -- moving charged matter and fascinating electromagnetic fields.



The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

Me thinks they are considering a "closed" system whereas, in space, when astronauts "push" on something, the "something" goes in one direction and "they" get propelled in the opposite direction... the so-called "equal reaction." So, if "equal" pressure is applied from every side of the "Local Fluff," then the surrounding "supernova exhaust" pushes itself outward and keeps the "Local Fluff" integral.

The actual problem, then, becomes how that "supernova exhaust" managed to surround the "Local Fluff?"


the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" [...] contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C.

I don't know about you but, to me, that's "HOT." Which, in turns, means that atomic agitation is quite significant and, may be, significant enough to ionized these atomic particles and, therefore, generate an inherent magnetic field from "agitated" ionized particles?

Yet, "they" (NASA) say that this "Local Fluff" is composed of "neutral," uncharged particles... ???

Edit:

Of course, "they" (NASA) still have to integrate the "Electric Universe" in their models and which the above seems to belong to as well as "cold fusion" type of phenomena, as opposed to their "hot" stuff, to produce what's observed.

[lookbeyond]

weeell i guess ill mention this here, i usually hav tinnitus in my left ear mostly at night but lately its more of a chorus of bells? Sorry, im not crazy but its really persistent in the past week-i certainly prefer the sound of bells than the other!

lb

[araucaria]

I’d just like to add a few things to my earlier post. While Bill’s 24/7 business as usual approach is the major ingredient of the mix, and the right one for a forum owner to be bringing to the table, flour is 99% of bread, but not without a little yeast :) I just don’t see us getting where we want to take this without a dose of yeast, and if not Friday some other time, some other way.

Another Hitler rant is not the answer. These can be funny, once or twice, but in an unfunny, kneejerk sort of way. To put supposed words of wisdom into the mouth of a raving, albeit defeated dictator, warmonger and mass murderer of the worst kind is a far cry from what Chaplin does in The Great Dictator, which is truly magical. This on the other hand is rather like jazzing up a funeral march and playing it as wedding music: it may sound great, but it also sends out horribly inappropriate signals.

The philosopher Henri Bergson defines laughter as being triggered when the mechanical is slapped onto the living, e.g. when someone slips on a banana skin. The laughter this provokes can be seen as a momentary lapse in human empathy. For me, the barking German corporal – ve have vays of making you laugh – falls into this category. Chaplin’s ‘rant’ is thus counter-intuitively the exact opposite of the comic effect since it is a momentary stirring of human empathy on what would be a vast scale in the real world, but was only the sweet daydreaming of a cinema clown. What I am looking for in some kind of ‘event’, I don’t care when, where, or who, is when this sort of mechanism is triggered in the real world.

Bill, from the Simon thread:

Thanks, Guys, for giving Simon such a warm welcome. His information (besides being challenging in every way!) is most important for everyone to try to understand.

Respectffully, given that this information includes a specific occurrence on a specific day (Friday) and at a specific time (12 noon), and that Cern is in the business of reducing the effect thereof, I should be interested to hear why it would be important for everyone not to try to understand that :)

[Mark]

My pleasure, Paul, great points you and AZ make. Take the article for what it is worth, WRO, I offer the information only for consideration, as it is pretty much standard now in mainstream and alternative science. Your concerns, given the history of NASA, are valid.

Since this topic was also mentioned in the OP video, the effects of magnetic fields and memory, I will post some research pertaining to it. There is a LOT of information out there on this topic. There was more on depression and suicide as well as using magnetic fields to treat certain disorders, but I concentrated primarily upon finding resources pertaining to the brain and memory specifically. According to the papers and articles below, the strength and position of magnetic fields can and does affect memory, spatial orientation and behavior.

Not only that, but, according to the last article - which I post in full due to its importance according to the OP and general statements about the shifting energetic orientation of this planet - magnetic fields can and do affect morality.

Changes in brain memory functions as affected by a constant magnetic field.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psychological-research.html#FSU

Abstract
Effects of CMF on memory processes in adult volunteers (non-sleep vs hypnotic condition) has been studied at laboratory and clinical conditions. The results point out that CMF changes the interhemispheric relations and result in memory malfunction. The malfunction of memory activity in volunteers after action of CMF was influenced by two factors: magnetic field position under different brain areas and functional status of volunteers: awake or hypnotic.

The effect of a 50 Hz magnetic field on cognitive function in humans.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9798957

Abstract
OBJECTIVES:
To examine whether the power frequency magnetic field of 0.6mT applied to humans has an effect on cognitive function as has been suggested by animal studies. These fields are less than the suggested intervention level in the UK of 1.6mT and are similar to those found close to some domestic appliances.
METHOD AND MATERIALS:
A randomized three-way cross-over design using a battery of computerized cognitive function tests were used in the presence or absence of a 50Hz or static magnetic field. Sixteen healthy volunteers undertook two training and three test sessions with a 50Hz or static 0.6 mT magnetic field from a set of coils centred on the head.
RESULTS:
In response to the 50 Hz field, disruptions of accuracy were seen from an attentional task (the ability to correctly recognize words shown 20min previously and the ability to maintain a string of digits in working memory). There was no similar response to comparable levels of static magnetic field.
CONCLUSIONS:
These tests indicated at least temporary deterioration in attention, and working and secondary memory performance while a 50 Hz field is applied. There were no adverse effects on speed from any of the tasks. It was not possible in this study to be sure if these effects were persistent.

Biomagnetics: Considerations Relevant to Manned Space Flight, NASA Contract Report CR-889
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psychological-research.html#FSU

Magnetic field reduction. In an early study to investigate the possible effects of reduced magnetic fields on astronauts as a result of space travel, mice were kept in mu-metal containers which greatly reduced exposure to the earth's magnetic field. "In contrast to the normally thriving control[s] ... the mice in the mu-metal cylinders have presented a characteristic, rather bizarre, picture." "At an early age, large numbers of mu-metal mice have become docile and inactive. Many mice exhibited the highly unusual behavior of lying on their back for prolonged periods of time."

Chronic exposure to 2.9 mT, 40 Hz magnetic field reduces melatonin concentrations in humans.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psychological-research.html#FSU

Abstract
Diurnal rhythm of serum melatonin concentrations was estimated in 12 men with low back pain syndrome before and after exposure to a very low-frequency magnetic field (2.9 mT, 40 Hz, square wave, bipolar). Patients were exposed to the magnetic field for 3 weeks (20 min per day, 5 days per week) either in the morning (at 10:00 hr) or in the late afternoon (at 18:00 hr). Significant depression in nocturnal melatonin rise was observed regardless of the time of exposure. This phenomenon was characteristic for all the subjects, although the percent of inhibition of melatonin secretion varied among the studied individuals.

Labyrinthectomy abolishes the behavioral and neural response of rats to a high-strength static magnetic field
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psychological-research.html#FSU

Abstract
Vertigo is a commonly-reported side effect of exposure to the high magnetic fields found in magnetic resonance imaging machines. Although it has been hypothesized that high magnetic fields interact with the vestibular apparatus of the inner ear, there has been no direct evidence establishing its role in magnet-induced vertigo. Our laboratory has shown that following exposure to high magnetic fields, rats walk in circles, acquire a conditioned taste aversion (CTA), and express c-Fos in vestibular and visceral relays of the brainstem, consistent with vestibular stimulation and vertigo or motion sickness. To determine if the inner ear is required for these effects, rats were chemically labyrinthectomized with sodium arsanilate and tested for locomotor circling, CTA acquisition, and c-Fos induction after exposure within a 14.1 T magnet. Intact rats circled counterclockwise after 30-min exposure to 14.1 T, but labyrinthectomized rats showed no increase in circling after magnetic field exposure. After 3 pairings of 0.125% saccharin with 30-min exposure at 14.1 T, intact rats acquired a profound CTA that persisted for 14 days of extinction testing; labyrinthectomized rats, however, did not acquire a CTA and showed a high preference for saccharin similar to sham-exposed rats. Finally, significant c-Fos was induced in the brainstem of intact rats by 30-min exposure to 14.1 T, but magnetic field exposure did not elevate c-Fos in labyrinthectomized rats above sham-exposed levels. These results demonstrate that an intact inner ear is necessary for all the observed effects of exposure to high magnetic fields in rats.

Magnetic fields mimic the behavioral effects of REM sleep deprivation in humans.
Source: http://www.therionmagnetics.com/psychological-research.html#FSU

Abstract
The discovery of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep by Aserinsky and Kleitman in 1953 initiated the impetus for sleep research and specifically the investigations of the effects of REM sleep deprivation (RSD) on animal and human behavior. The behavioral effects of RSD include the enhancement of motivational and "drive"-related behaviors. In laboratory animals, RSD has been reported to increase appetite, sexual behavior, aggressiveness, and locomotor activity. Moreover, RSD reportedly improves mood in patients with endogenous depression and heightens appetite and sexual interest in normal subjects. Since "drive"-related behaviors are thought to involve activation of limbic dopaminergic reward sites, RSD may enhance motivational behaviors through an action on limbic dopaminergic functions. In the present communication, we present two patients (one with multiple sclerosis and the other with Parkinson's disease) in whom treatment with magnetic fields produced behavioral effects which paralleled those observed in REM-sleep-deprived animals and humans. We propose, therefore, that the behavioral and mental effects of treatment with magnetic fields may be mediated via RSD and, by inference, involve activation of limbic dopaminergic reward sites.

Magnetic fields: Memory effects
Source: http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/13976b9e93c/Magnetic-fields-Memory-effects.html?tzcheck=1

Concerns about the effects on healthcare professional, maintenance and engineering staff and evening cleaners have been raised with regards to exposure to the strong magnetic fields generated by MRI instruments.

A small-scale study published in the journal Occupational and Environmental Medicine, published by the British Medical Journal group, looked at the effects on 31 healthy volunteers of exposure to a 7 Tesla MRI magnetic field. The researchers allowed the volunteers to make standard head movements while they exposed them to one of three electromagnetic field strengths from what is described as a heavy-duty MRI scanner. For such a machine the magnetic field is present even when the instrument is not in use.

The team of Hans Kromhout at the Institute for Risk Assessment Sciences, at Utrecht University in The Netherlands, and colleagues carried out exposure at levels of zero (sham), 0.5 (medium), and 1 (high) Tesla, in a random order, one week apart for the volunteers. The experiment was of a double-blind randomised crossover design. The volunteers apparently experienced temporarily lower concentration and spatial-visual awareness during the experiments as evaluated by tests carried out after each exposure level. The researchers set the volunteers twelve timed cognitive tasks, which were designed to assess the ability of the volunteers to carry out tasks associated with the sorts of skills needed by a surgeon or other healthcare professional working in the vicinity of an MRI scanner. The tests included visual tracking and movement, as well as more general functions, such as attention, concentration and working memory. The tests were neutral in that they didn't test intelligence nor were they dependents on practice for success.

Of the 31 volunteers, 30 completed all three sessions. When compared to the control group, with zero filed, the researchers observed that more general functions, such as attention and concentration and visuospatial awareness were significantly affected in those exposed to the magnetic fields while carrying out standard head movements. For complex mental tasks, reaction and disengagement times were longer, the team says, varying from 5 to 21% at the higher the level of Tesla exposure. The researchers suggest that complex tasks rely on the brain's working memory and that this is affected detrimentally during exposure to the strong magnetic field.

The team reports that non-verbal memory does not seem to be affected by exposure to the high magnetic field but there was temporary decline in verbal memory, although only at a borderline level of significance. The team reports that for those volunteers exposed to the strongest magnetic field several physical symptoms were also reported, such as a metallic taste in the mouth (12 people), dizziness (6), headache (5), and nausea (1).

MAGNETS CAN MANIPULATE MORALITY
Source: http://news.discovery.com/tech/magnet-brain-morality.html

Magnets can alter a person's sense of morality, according to a new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Using a powerful magnetic field, scientists from MIT, Harvard University and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center are able to scramble the moral center of the brain, making it more difficult for people to separate innocent intentions from harmful outcomes. The research could have big implications for not only neuroscientists, but also for judges and juries.

"It's one thing to 'know' that we'll find morality in the brain," said Liane Young, a scientist at MIT and co-author of the article. "It's another to 'knock out' that brain area and change people's moral judgments."

Before the scientists could alter the brain's moral center, they first had to find it.

Young and her colleagues used functional magnetic resonance imaging to locate an area of the brain known as the right temporo-parietal junction (RTPJ) which other studies had previously related to moral judgments. While muscle movement, language and even memory are found in the same place in each individual, the RTPJ, located behind and above the ear, resides in a slightly different location in each person.

For their experiment, the scientists had 20 subjects read several dozen different stories about people with good or bad intentions that resulted in a variety of outcomes.

One typical story was about a boyfriend who leads his girlfriend across a bridge. In some versions, the boyfriend harmlessly walked his girlfriend across the bridge with no ill effect. In other cases, the boyfriend intentionally led the girlfriend along so she would break her ankle. The subjects used a seven point scale -- one being forbidden and seven completely permissible -- to record whether they through the situation was morally acceptable or not.

While the subjects read the story, the scientists applied a magnetic field using a method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. The magnetic fields created confusion in the neurons that make up the RTPJ, said Young, causing them to fire off electrical pulses chaotically.

The confusion in the brain made it harder for subjects to interpret the boyfriend's intent, said Young, and instead made the subjects focus solely on the situation's outcome. The effect was temporary and safe.

When no magnetic field was applied, the subjects focused more on the boyfriend's good intentions, rather than a bad outcome. When a magnetic field was applied to the RTPJ, the subjects consistently focused on a bad outcome, rather than the intention, and rated the story as more morally objectionable.

The scientists didn't permanently remove the subjects moral sensibilities. On the scientists' seven point scale, the difference was about one point and averaged out to about a 15 percent change. It's not much, said Young, "but it's still striking to see such a change in such high level behavior as moral decision-making." Young also points out that the study was correlation; their work only links the the RTJP, morality and magnetic fields, but doesn't definitively prove that one causes another.

The research could have powerful implications not just for neuroscientists, but for lawyers as well. Everyday jurors are asked to weigh a person's actions against their intentions. This new study won't transform the legal field, said Owen Jones, a professor of law and biology at Vanderbilt University, but it could "enable sophisticated judgments about responsibility, harm and appropriate punishment."

"This study, and other recent studies like it, are enabling us to peer into the very brain activity that underlies and enables legal judgments," said Jones. "Understanding how legal decisions actually work is a potentially important step toward helping decisions be as fair, just and effective as they can be."

What the new research won't do is allow a jury, or even an individual, to unwittingly manipulated to favor prosecutors or defendants. Because it was so obvious that the magnets were turned on, it is unlikely that a person or a group, like a jury, could be swayed to consider a criminal outcome instead of intent, said Young.

Magnetic fields made people judge outcomes more than intentions. Whether it's possible to do the opposite -- making people focus more on intentions than outcomes -- Young doesn't know.

[Flash]

The volunteers apparently experienced temporarily lower concentration and spatial-visual awareness during the experiments as evaluated by tests carried out after each exposure level. The researchers set the volunteers twelve timed cognitive tasks, which were designed to assess the ability of the volunteers to carry out tasks associated with

This seems to me very important in explaining the huge increase in ADD and hyperactivity in children and the general population in the last 10-20 years, since we are bathed in communication towers and the alike (micro wave oven emitting a magnetic field, lap tops, cell phones, even if the field is light).

A shifting magnetic orientation of the planet could also play a role in this. We know that the shif is about 40 km a year right now while it has been something like 2-4 km a year for the last 2000 years.

[Flash]

I truly like the direction this thread has taken.


The scientific explaination against the 12-21-12 apocalypse predictions.

The input of astrology, but seen as a science, to contradict the apocalypse talks while explaining the overall situation.

The spiritual side of things that is coming out as well.

The conclusion that Avalon is about science and spirituality, should I add TOGETHER

And now, the impact of natural science on the human biology, which in turn may have an impact on behavior and on spiritual development.


Do you realise guys/gals, that we may be actually doing, in an open public ground and group undertaking, the first ever workable combination of new science, old science (astrology and alchemy), spirituality, behaviors and biology, all this for an overall understanding of change in humanity. (I am aware that some may have done it individually).

I do encourage everyone to continue to use this thread in this purpose, combining science, human abilities and spirituality in one place. And linking each of our posts together for a more complete understanding.

Thanks again for the great participation

Edit:

I wish to bring balance between what sciences discover, what people on the spiritual path know as much as science, in order to clear a path for global understanding and possible implementation for the laymen. I do not know if it is achievable, but it is worthwile to try imo.


This means this is a facts bringing thread on the above aspects with a particular effort on making links between the facts and the posts so that understanding of the human potential will be made easy.

[Flash]

So that every Friday could become our next Friday

Paul could we change the title of the thread to Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

Thank you

[RMorgan]

This article from the NASA website (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/23dec_voyager/) was also used in the video in order to explain the "interstellar cloud" that we are entering into currently, according to NASA's Voyager research. This cloud is equated with the Photon Belt in the OP video.


Hey Rahkyt,

Well, this electromagnetic cloud is really interesting, but I´m afraid it doesn´t equate to the so called "photon belt".

Capturing photons in order to form a "belt" is actually very improbable. The only force that actually have enough gravitational pull to capture photons are black holes.

So far, no one was able to observe or to offer scientific evidence of Paul Otto Hesse´s photon belt hypothesis.

Just a quick observation, anyway.

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

A randomized three-way cross-over design using a battery of computerized cognitive function tests were used in the presence or absence of a 50Hz or static magnetic field. Sixteen healthy volunteers undertook two training and three test sessions with a 50Hz or static 0.6 mT magnetic field from a set of coils centered on the head.
RESULTS:
In response to the 50 Hz field, disruptions of accuracy were seen from an attentional task (the ability to correctly recognize words shown 20min previously and the ability to maintain a string of digits in working memory). There was no similar response to comparable levels of static magnetic field.

Hmmm ... this is very interesting to me (though wandering a bit further off this thread's topic, unfortunately.)

"mT" is a milli-Tesla, a measure of magnetic field strength. Another common such measure is Gauss. The conversion is 1 mT == 10 Gauss.

Now search for the following paper:



Clinically significant magnetic interference of implanted cardiac
devices by portable headphones, by Sinjin Lee, MD, et al.

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to evaluate the magnetic field strength of portable headphones and to determine if they can cause clinically relevant magnetic interference.
METHODS: Pacemaker (PM) and implantable cardioverter-defibrillators (ICD) function was assessed in 100 patients during exposure to eight different models of portable headphones to determine the incidence of clinically relevant magnetic interference.

Examining Table 2 in this paper, one sees that magnetic field strength 1 cm from the several headphone models listed typically varies between 10 and 20 Gauss, which would be 1 to 2 mT.

In the above study, they placed the headphone on the chest, near the PM or ICD, which is not how one normally uses a headphone.

However, combining the measurements of magnetic field strengths produced by ordinary headphones from this paper, with the mental disruption measured using a slightly weaker (0.6mT) field strength, applied to the head, in the paper you cited ... well ... this leaves me looking over at the headphones I use so much for audio, because I can understand Youtube speech better than with a room speaker.

Dang :).

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, this electromagnetic cloud is really interesting, but I´m afraid it doesn´t equate to the so called "photon belt".
Well, I presume that the term "photon belt" is a misnomer, for the reasons you give.

That however does not preclude the possibility of a "dust" cloud (more likely plasma I presume) straight ahead in our solar systems path. It would not surprise me to see a band of plasma misnamed as a photon belt, since conventional astronomy is still under reporting the extent of plasma in our universe, and since the visual light affects of plasma are what we'd likely notice first.

[ThePythonicCow]

While the subjects read the story, the scientists applied a magnetic field using a method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. The magnetic fields created confusion in the neurons that make up the RTPJ, said Young, causing them to fire off electrical pulses chaotically.

The confusion in the brain made it harder for subjects to interpret the boyfriend's intent, said Young, and instead made the subjects focus solely on the situation's outcome. The effect was temporary and safe.

When no magnetic field was applied, the subjects focused more on the boyfriend's good intentions, rather than a bad outcome. When a magnetic field was applied to the RTPJ, the subjects consistently focused on a bad outcome, rather than the intention, and rated the story as more morally objectionable.
I am envisioning computer gamers and combat operatives (such as drone "pilots") usually wearing headphones :).

I am also recalling that I usually have to take off my headphones, before performing the more human interactive parts of forum moderation, or else it feels like I'm losing my "touch".

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So that every Friday could become our next Friday

Paul could we change the title of the thread to Next Friday every Friday, the combining thread

Thank you
Ok - title changed.

[Carmody]

Here is a source for the decay rates: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100830FischbachJenkinsDec.html

Purdue-Stanford team finds radioactive decay rates vary with the sun's rotation
August 30, 2010

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Radioactive decay rates, thought to be unique physical constants and counted on in such fields as medicine and anthropology, may be more variable than once thought.

A team of scientists from Purdue and Stanford universities has found that the decay of radioactive isotopes fluctuates in synch with the rotation of the sun's core.

The fluctuations appear to be very small but could lead to predictive tools for solar flares and may have an impact on medical radiation treatments.

This adds to evidence of swings in decay rates in response to solar activity and the distance between the Earth and the sun that Purdue researchers Ephraim Fischbach, a professor of physics, and Jere Jenkins, a nuclear engineer, have been gathering for the last four years. The Purdue team previously reported observing a drop in the rate of decay that began a day and half before and peaked during the December 2006 solar flare and an annual fluctuation that appeared to be based on the Earth's orbit of, and changing distance from, the sun, Jenkins said.

"If the relationship between solar activity and decay rates proves to be true, it could lead to a method of predicting solar flares, which could help prevent damage to satellites and electric grids, as well as save the lives of astronauts in space," Jenkins said. "Finding that the decay rates fluctuate in a pattern that matches known and theoretical solar frequencies is compelling evidence for a solar influence on decay rates."

Jenkins and Fischbach collaborated with Peter Sturrock, a professor emeritus of applied physics at Stanford University and an expert on the inner workings of the sun, to examine data collected at Brookhaven National Laboratory on the rate of decay of the radioactive isotopes silicon-32 and chlorine-36. The team reported in the journal Astroparticle Physics that the decay rate for both isotopes varies in a 33-day recurring pattern, which they attribute to the rotation rate of the sun's core.

In general, the fluctuations that Jenkins and Fischbach have found are around a tenth of a percent from what is expected, as they've examined available published data and taken some measurements themselves.

The team has not yet examined isotopes used in medical radiation treatments or for dating of ancient artifacts.

"The fluctuations we're seeing are fractions of a percent and are not likely to radically alter any major anthropological findings," Fischbach said. "One of our next steps is to look into the isotopes used medically to see if there are any variations that would lead to overdosing or underdosing in radiation treatments, but there is no cause for alarm at this point. What is key here is that what was thought to be a constant actually varies and we've discovered a periodic oscillation where there shouldn't be one."

Jenkins and Fischbach suggest that the changes in the decay rates are due to interactions with solar neutrinos, nearly weightless particles created by nuclear reactions within the sun's core that travel almost at the speed of light.

It is estimated that about 60 billion solar neutrinos pass through a person's fingernail every second, but they are so weakly reactive that they pass right through the body without disturbing or changing anything, Jenkins said.

"We haven't known the solar neutrino to interact significantly with anything, but it fits with the evidence we've gathered as the likely source of these fluctuations," he said. "So, what we're suggesting is that something that can't interact with anything is changing something that can't be changed."

The Purdue team has ruled out the possibility of experimental error or an environmental influence on the detection systems that track the rate of decay as being responsible for the fluctuations and published a series of papers in the journals Astroparticle Physics, Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research, and Space Science Reviews.

Sturrock said it is an effect that no one yet understands and that if it is not neutrinos that are responsible, then perhaps there is an unknown particle interacting with the atoms.

"It would have to be something we don't know about - an unknown particle that is also emitted by the sun and has this effect - and that would be even more remarkable," he said.

This is tied directly to what i was speaking on, regarding voltage being the principle component behind time and gravity, and as well, dimensional barriers. Voltage, with regard to how we see and understand things.


and astrology is the basic building block of the energy of the universe.

Which is geometric function, as applied to oscillating standing waver interference patterns. those interference patterns have an origin, or, if you will... that they are interfered with. By planets. Planets both emanate and also interfere and integrate with the given 3d oscillations, in flow.

The 'vibrations' used by the different inventors, to overcome time, space, or gravity..are voltage differential based. Wave shape control, and field control are both key aspects. Everything is tied to voltage. And voltage is a differential across two points. A measurement of energetic transfer potential. As in 'available pressure in spot A..as compared to available pressure in that spot B'. This differential, is what voltage is.

That gravity and time are secondary functions, not primary.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

[sheddie]

Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

so is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Trying hard to keep up here, fasinating convo, just wish I could understand more of it.

:)

[Hervé]

Reversing the phenomenon, then the ionization of the hydrogen an helium "neutral particles" of the "Local Fluff" via "agitation," thermal or otherwise, would indeed cogenerate the observed magnetic field that coheses the "Local Fluff" together...

[Carmody]

Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

Not the lost an electron joke... are you sure? - "Yes, I've lost an electron. I'm positive."

JUST read this:

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-space-turbulence.html

Study confirms 'gusty winds' in space turbulence (as an alternative to Ren and Stimpy's 'space madness (http://www.veoh.com/watch/v14085830Cq24yFjf?h1=Space+Madness)')


A solar prominence erupts into the sun's atmosphere, or corona. Credit: NASA. A research team led by the University of Iowa reports to have directly measured a kind of turbulence that occurs in space plasma for the first time in the laboratory. Imagine riding in an airplane as the plane is jolted back and forth by gusts of wind that you can't prove exist but are there nonetheless. Similar turbulence exists in space, and a research team led by the University of Iowa reports to have directly measured it for the first time in the laboratory. "Turbulence is not restricted to environments here on Earth, but also arises pervasively throughout the solar system and beyond, driving chaotic motions in the ionized gas, or plasma, that fills the universe," says Gregory Howes, assistant professor of physics and astronomy at the UI and lead author of the paper to be published Dec. 17 in the online edition of Physical Review Letters, the journal of the American Physical Society. "It is thought to play a key role in heating the atmosphere of the sun, the solar corona, to temperatures of a million degrees Celsius, nearly a thousand times hotter than the surface of the sun."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-space-turbulence.html#jCp

[MargueriteBee]

I will be glad when the day has come and gone because I feel the tension and fear building up like boiling water.

[Flash]

I will be glad when the day has come and gone because I feel the tension and fear building up like boiling water.

Although your comment is somewhat funny, I do not see any fear build up here. They are just stating scientific facts and recent discoveries and having a discussion on it, which may mean, if the Sun's protections systems have problems, that we could be in boiling waters. lol Scientific presumptions.

Truly, those are discussed without much fear here, apart from what you have perceived in you. It is important to be able to discuss data without getting into fear MargueriteBee.

I would very much like being able to link this to human evolutionary path overall and overall human development. It will surely come, just waiting without fear.

I did like your comment though, it surprisingly lightens the day (paradox I know).

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

True that.

But then I wouldn't call the result a hydrogen atom any more. The positive nucleus (just a proton for the most common hydrogen isotope) and the negative electron move about on their own separate paths.

The way I use the words, the term "hydrogen atom" refers to the electrically neutral combination of an electron orbiting around a nucleus with one proton and zero or more neutrons.

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Paul, when a hydrogen atom encounters a magnetic field of sufficient strength, the electron leaves the atom. This leaves the hydrogen atom with a positive charge and the electron with a net negative charge. That creates the "atmosphere" of the plasma. The hydrogen becomes ionized.

so is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Hopefully it is a good thing, for it is certainly a common thing. If one finds Wal Thornhill's Electric Universe (http://www.holoscience.com/wp/) explanations credible, then it is a very common thing

[ThePythonicCow]

The way I use the words, the term "hydrogen atom" refers to the electrically neutral combination of an electron orbiting around a nucleus with one proton and zero or more neutrons
Aha - Wikipedia uses the terms as you do, not I :).

In Hydrogen atom (Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom)



Ionized hydrogen without its electron, or free protons, are common in the interstellar medium, and solar wind.

[ThePythonicCow]

JUST read this:

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-gusty-space-turbulence.html

Study confirms 'gusty winds' in space turbulence (as an alternative to Ren and Stimpy's 'space madness (http://www.veoh.com/watch/v14085830Cq24yFjf?h1=Space+Madness)')

Nice ... hot off the press no less.

I'll try not to notice that acronym for the Large Plasma Device at UCLA reminds me of the Los Angeles Police Dept -- LAPD.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/Lapd_exterior.jpg/300px-Lapd_exterior.jpg


The LArge Plasma Device (LAPD)

[Carmody]

and this. All a bit of a problem.... as there are two components in the discussion that remain misunderstood. Time..and..gravity.

Now, if we take the slinky into an environment where gravity is different, we get a different result. The 'action' across 'time' (we are immersed in time so we are forced to use the analogy, forest and trees and all that, and at the same time, just what the heck is an observer, anyway?), this action across time, occurs differently.

Since the observer is immersed in 'time' as a reference point, the incorrect analogy of what time MIGHT be is brought to the table of the zero gravity experiment, and the results are explained in away that disassociates time and gravity from their actual fundamental. this is due to the loss of one frame of reference,and thus the 'observer' and contemplator of the experiment..tries to retain the other frame of reference (kittens do cling to legs when one stands up, nothing new there-the reactionary animal alive and well), time, and then explain the result in those terms, from that reference.

What the observer seems to fail to understand, is that the knowledge of the retained reference is only in the context of the two as a set. As in time -in a gravity well (pair). This analogy and position cannot be taken to the explanation of what happens to the slinky in the zero gravity space, as the equation is incorrectly surmised.

We must return to the original context, which is that we do NOT understand the origins of gravity and we do NOT understand the origins of time.

And thus there is NO real and workable remaining analogy in math and formulation that can be taken to the observed results in zero gravity. We see a difference but we cannot inject the ground based or earth based or 'time/gravity well' composite formulation into the zero gravity result. we can do so if we want to, but in that moment, we limit ourselves to the ground based observation as being injected into a situation which is wholly different.

Wholly different, as the explanation found, leaves out reams and reams of OTHER data that remains completely unexplained by the proffered frameworks. This frameworks of a formulation...the explanation that arose from bringing one half of a frame of reference into an experimental observation, where that frame does not apply.

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-falling-slinky.html

[Carmody]

what you are looking at, is the voltage related equivalent, the electron orbital vectoral polarity agreement or lack of agreement playing out. The very discrete aspect of particles as a pair of two dimensional vibrations paired as a dual vortex. And how they exchange two dimensional energies between one another, from the angle of dimension or reality representation that the observer observes from.

You are looking something that is analogous to lenz law, as a kinetic quantum analogy. the quantum relational aspects of voltage and complex vector, as core descriptor for time and gravity, as a pair.

'Gravity' as we call it, on earth, is a gradient, a proximity effect issue.

Time, through experimentation, by flying about with atomic clocks, has been shown to be of a similar connected nature.

And at the atomic quantum scale, we get the lenz like behavior of the slinky, in both zero g and in the gravity well (and slinky oriented accordingly in the gravity well). If we orient the slinky horizontally, in the gravity well, we will incorrectly surmise that the same situation occurs, IF we release one end of the slinky. (this, theoretically assuming a zero friction environment) If we release both ends of the slinky at the same time, we get the zero g result.

Thus, we can get to the understanding of how this pendulum seems to create far more energy than is put into it. we move from both frameworks, to one frameworks, as the pendulum swings.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Nebojsa_Simin_-_scientific_paper_-_abstract.pdf

Since we are speaking of nano levels of dimensional integration with the so called matter, or pairings of 2d vortexes..this incredibly minor integration turns into the appearance of 3x to 9x higher levels of standard energetic measurement. Ie, plutonium broken apart, makes what appears to be 'huge energy'.


All we've really done, is undo the balanced 2d vortex pair apart, and one side of the highly charged but balanced dual-vortex equation emerges, and then immediately interacts with the environment (the dimensional and matter/time/space frameworks), and then blends in a way that looks like energetic impartation and transfer.

Remember that there was discussion on the point that astrology, astronomical alignment and earth position geometric relations to spherical oscillation patterns (ley lines and frequencies)..and how this drastically affected the level or yield of atomic weapons, depending on time and place of detonation. The experiments of Kozyrev and so on.

[RMorgan]

Well, this electromagnetic cloud is really interesting, but I´m afraid it doesn´t equate to the so called "photon belt".
Well, I presume that the term "photon belt" is a misnomer, for the reasons you give.

That however does not preclude the possibility of a "dust" cloud (more likely plasma I presume) straight ahead in our solar systems path. It would not surprise me to see a band of plasma misnamed as a photon belt, since conventional astronomy is still under reporting the extent of plasma in our universe, and since the visual light affects of plasma are what we'd likely notice first.

Hey P,

Well, the photon belt hypothesis is clearly completely different; It´s portrays an immense belt exclusively made of photons orbiting around the Pleiades.

If you read Hesse´s "The Last Day", you´ll see that he makes clear that the "photon belt" is supposed to be exclusively made of photons, not photons being reflected or emitted by matter.

Anyway, predictions were made about Earth entering the "photon" belt in 1992, 1994, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2011 (11/11/11) and now 2012, mostly by Sheldan Nidle (Yeah, the Galactic Federation of Light guru).

It seems that the new age movement likes to use this fantasy whenever they see fit.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, the photon belt hypothesis is clearly completely different; It´s portrays an immense belt exclusively made of photons orbiting around the Pleiades.

If you read Hesse´s "The Last Day", you´ll see that he makes clear that the "photon belt" is supposed to be exclusively made of photons, not photons being reflected or emitted by matter.

Anyway, predictions were made about Earth entering the "photon" belt in 1992, 1994, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2011 (11/11/11) and now 2012, mostly by Sheldan Nidle (Yeah, the Galactic Federation of Light guru).

It seems that the new age movement like to use this fantasy whenever they see fit.

Ah so - thanks for the research.

[Carmody]

I never said photon belt. I said dust cloud. As in highly charged particle mix, if indeed such a thing exists. I'm not claiming that I'm being pointed at, I'm simply making sure that such a thought by any potential observers is not misinterpreted and in that moment... my being bunched into the same grouping.

[RMorgan]

I never said photon belt. I said dust cloud. As in highly charged particle mix, if indeed such a thing exists. I'm not claiming that I'm being pointed at, I'm simply making sure that such a thought by any potential observers is not misinterpreted and in that moment... my being bunched into the same grouping.

I was not talking about your statements, my friend.

I´m referring to the "photon belt" pointed in the OP´s video, which is full of holes, by the way, like portraying Alcyone as the center of our solar system.

Raf.

[Carmody]

I never said photon belt. I said dust cloud. As in highly charged particle mix, if indeed such a thing exists. I'm not claiming that I'm being pointed at, I'm simply making sure that such a thought by any potential observers is not misinterpreted and in that moment... my being bunched into the same grouping.

I was not talking about your statements, my friend.

I´m referring to the "photon belt" pointed in the OP´s video, which is full f holes, by the way, like portraying Alcyone as the center of our solar system.

Raf.

understood. I was adding the clarity aspect, in the direct sense.

Once I understood the origins of time/space/gravity..which is really just a few more items added (observational position is changed)..and then it becomes very simplistic. once I understood that, all the problems ......go away. It is a cascading aspect, to be sure, but the issues of understanding the frameworks of human 'existence' or 'observational position/vector' do indeed go away.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Is the End of the World Coming This Friday?


Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
December 17, 2012

Are we living in the end times? For years, the fast approaching end of the Mayan calendar, calculated to end Friday, December 21, 2012 during the winter solstice has been hyped as an apocalyptic conclusion to life as we know it.

After all, the wildness of the current political scene, the unfolding world government, the pace of fantastic technology surveilling and tracking our lives and much more seemingly coincide with many ancient predictions for the final days.

But NO, Alex boldly predicts in this powerful video, the world is not going to end this Friday.

Instead, Alex Jones breaks through the hoax, exposing the cynical use of intriguing observations in the ancient Mayan culture, along with any other useful doomsday scenarios, to condition the population to lay down to the forces of evil running over our lives. Rather than challenging the politics of our society in the here and now, and stopping potential Hitlers or Maos from coming to power, many are content to brace for the afterlife, the rapture, the ascension, the new age or any other version of the hereafter one ascribes to, passing over the influential voice individuals could have to affect change in this world — the one we actually live in now.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-U5XDbFaM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-U5XDbFaM&feature=player_embedded

In reality, the Mayan culture had a great deal of astonishing knowledge but its cyclical calendar never predicted a doomsday end for the planet. No scholarly researchers, Mayanists, archaeologists or anthropologists have claimed the calendar signals an end; to the contrary, these academics and those still tied to the Mayan people have found an accurate marking of the start of a new cycle according to planetary movements, a new age where their long count date simply starts again.

The apocalyptic interpretation of 2012 was largely manufactured by a number of prominent New Age occultists, as well as numerous Hollywood fiction peddlers, who have distorted the calendrical prediction into an image that renders the individual helpless, and largely empowers the State to tackle some grand, emergency crisis. Consider films like “Armageddon” or “Deep Impact” where the government must deploy teams to destroy an asteroid headed for earth or the eponymous “2012″ in which most of the people of the world are consumed by a series of earthquakes, tidal waves and other mass scale destructive events, while a small elite contingent flock to a continuity of civilization “ark” controlled by governmental insiders.

When the world doesn’t end this time, let’s learn a lesson to engage in real problems we could collectively really do something about, that we have a duty to address, rather than waiting for the next obscure predictions for cataclysmic doom — like the planet Niburu or an extraterrestrial invasion– that will, for a time, captivate the imagination and induce a learned helplessness and acceptance of systematic evil that would normally be refused by the populace.

http://www.infowars.com/is-the-end-of-the-world-coming-this-friday/

[Calz]

Once I understood the origins of time/space/gravity..which is really just a few more items added (observational position is changed)..and then it becomes very simplistic. once I understood that, all the problems ......go away.



Any "starting points" for "we the simplistic"???

(kudos for many members offering outstanding posts in this thread)

[ThePythonicCow]

Thus, we can get to the understanding of how this pendulum seems to create far more energy than is put into it. we move from both frameworks, to one frameworks, as the pendulum swings.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Nebojsa_Simin_-_scientific_paper_-_abstract.pdf
That paper abstract links to the following site, with some intriguing images: Serbian: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/
English: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm

[RMorgan]

Thus, we can get to the understanding of how this pendulum seems to create far more energy than is put into it. we move from both frameworks, to one frameworks, as the pendulum swings.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Nebojsa_Simin_-_scientific_paper_-_abstract.pdf
That paper abstract links to the following site, with some intriguing images: Serbian: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/
English: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/indexEng.htm


This is really intriguing, Carmody.

If this indeed is true, I´d like to see a real life practical demonstration.

Judging by his demonstrations, it seems this technology isn´t as good as he says:

jNdF8mTfu4g

First, the course of this supposed water pump´s pistons is very small in this case; he would have to make a much longer pendulum to actually really pump reasonable amounts of water, which would require more external applied forces.

Second, since it´s not pumping any water in this demonstration, it´s dealing only with its own mechanical resistance, so it requires a very small external force in order to work in this specific case; In a real pumping scenario, he would be dealing with much more resistance.

I´m skeptical if such pump would work as stated in a real life situation, when the external forces required to actually move the pendulum and pump water would have to be much stronger.

Personally, I can´t see how this system would be any better than a regular electrical water pump; Maybe it would be even worse, in terms of energy economy.

I´ll believe it when I see it working, with proper measurements of energy input and energy output. If the output is proven to be bigger than the input; without cheating, of course.

Anyway, I hear about new free energy technologies every day, but so far, I haven´t seen anyone able to demonstrate the efficiency of such technologies in practical situations.

Another video:

gC6Qlj1Mbo8

It looks nice at first, but the oscillator isn´t moving enough to pump enough water or generate enough energy, is it?

Would it work in a practical energy generation situation? How long the pendulum would have to be in order to generate enough energy? Would it have to use a set of gears in order to achieve a longer/faster piston course? How much energy would be lost in these gears by mechanical friction? How much energy would be required to move the pendulum in this case?

I suspect that if it did really work as stated, he would be showing it working in a practical energy generation situation, with proper measurements of input/output.

[Marin]

At its basic level, the universe is energy. All manifestation can be broken down to light particles, and the ability of these particles to coalesce based on their speed of oscillation and density. This “hard reality” of which you speak is malleable by the very thoughts we project into the matrix, and science is also malleable by the fact that the observer, just by observing, shifts the data.

Exactly. A perfect example of where science meets spirituality.

There are several threads here that discuss the Holographic Universe. One of the more recent threads is Cidersomerset's:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53148-The-Holographic-Universe....&p=598709&viewfull=1#post598709

A number of experiments were discussed in the 5 part series. The double slit experiment among others. Clearly, some here are familiar with this material but others may be reading this for the first time. I think it's an important concept so thought I'd highlight some of the material.

http://www.holographicuniverseworkshops.com/

In summary: Your brian first receives a hologram in wave frequencies downloaded from the field. It then translates those waves into particles to create your holographic "physical reality" and then it sends that reality out there for you to perceive and experience.

When [quanta] electrons are viewed by an observer, these waves of possibilities "pop" and assume a specific location in space and time, which is what we see as "reality." This is called "collapsing the wave function."

The natural state of an electron is as a wave. It only pops out of it's wave state to form a particle in a specific location in space and time when it is being observed.

This new brain research indicates that the human brain is the "observer" that "collapses the wave function," since quantum physics says it is the "observer" that changes an electron from a wave into a particle.

Only conscious beings can be "observers." If this is the case, then we are are intimately hooked into the very existence of reality. Without us there would just be this expanding superposition of possibilities with nothing definitely ever happening.

Lynne McTaggert
"Reality is like unset jello....our potential life. We, by our very act of involvement (our act of noticing our observation) get that jello to set. We are intrinsic to the whole process of reality. Our involvement creates that reality. We have this involvement in everything. We are our world. There's no out there out there. There's no place where we end and everything else begins."

David Bohm:
"The tangible reality of our everyday lives, is a kind of illusion, like a holographic image. Underlying it is a deeper order of existence, a vast and more primary level of reality that gives birth to all the objects and appearances of our physical world in much the same way that a piece of holographic film gives birth to a hologram."

In other words, what you are seeing right now is a holographic 3-D total immersion movie, downloaded to your brain, translated into the holograms you see and projected "out there" for you to experience.

If this is true... who or what is choosing certain wave frequencies from the FILED and downloading them to a human brain to be converted into particles to become the reality we see and experience?

Consciousness.

As one researcher put it, "Quantum physics enables us to see directly that we can make sense of the world only if we base the world on consciousness."

Consciousness is what chooses the specific wave frequencies from the unlimited possibilities in the FIELD that it wants and downloads them to a human brain, which then converts them into space/time particles and out pops our holographic reality.

Fred Allen Wolf: "Quantum Physics says that consciousness is playing a role in the universe. It says that there is a secret underground that seems to be effecting (creating) the reality we live in."

Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, "Quantum mechanics says that there is a spiritual world that makes this choice, that there is another world that is intangible that effects and influences the physical world."

Dr. Andrew Newberg: "Whether the material world can actually be derived from a consciousness reality, or whether consciousness itself could even be the fundamental stuff of the universe."

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, the photon belt hypothesis is clearly completely different; It´s portrays an immense belt exclusively made of photons orbiting around the Pleiades.
I just happened on to what seems to me to be excellent research into the history of this idea of a "photon" belt: Morphogenic Resonance or a Plethora of Galactic Center Disinformation? (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html). It was written in 1999 by Paul LaViolette (I'm a fan of his, so it's not surprising I find the research excellent.)

[thetruepathofwisdom]

Well, the photon belt hypothesis is clearly completely different; It´s portrays an immense belt exclusively made of photons orbiting around the Pleiades.
I just happened on to what seems to me to be excellent research into the history of this idea of a "photon" belt: Morphogenic Resonance or a Plethora of Galactic Center Disinformation? (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html). It was written in 1999 by Paul LaViolette (I'm a fan of his, so it's not surprising I find the research excellent.)

Cheers Paul,

This should be interesting. It is speculated that we should be completely immersed in this belt by 9:11 tonight Eastern Australia Time :)

[ThePythonicCow]

This should be interesting. It is speculated that we should be completely immersed in this belt by 9:11 tonight Eastern Australia Time :)
Such speculations sound waaaay overly specific to me. I would expect it to take decades or centuries or longer for the solar system to pass through such an inter-stellar cloud.

In other words, if we will be "completely immersed in this belt by 9:11 tonight Eastern Australia Time", then we were more or less "completely immersed" in it last year, and will still be next year, as well.

(Oh - and I take the word "belt" in this context to refer to the so called "photon belt," which I take to be pretty much nonsense.)

[161803398]

somebody just told me that scientists in Switzerland are trying to create anti-matter tomorrow. :)

So, if anything blows up tomorrow I think it will be from them.

Other than that, I like the Galactic Bday theory. Or what about the Galactic Pizza theory?

[TOTHE]

Our next big event: a close approach to Galactic Center of Cloud G2 around July 2013. Astronomers are watching this one.

An overview by PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D.
http://starburstfound.org/superwaveblog/?p=246

Source
http://starburstfound.org/superwave-arrive-july-2013-widespread-catastrophe/

Paul’s foundation
http://starburstfound.org/

Paul’s bio:
http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/LaViolette.html

Paul’s books, interviews & videos:
http://www.etheric.com/

[ThePythonicCow]

Our next big event: a close approach to Galactic Center of Cloud G2 around July 2013. Astronomers are watching this one.

An overview by PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D.
http://starburstfound.org/superwaveblog/?p=246
Excellent - thanks.

Here's Paul LaViolette's summary of this cloud near our galactic core:



I have looked at literature that has been published about this cloud, have considered all aspects carefully, and have reached the conclusion that this encounter could very well initiate an energetic flare from the Galaxy’s core as astronomers predict, but that this will likely not be powerful enough to produce a superwave. That is, it will not be sufficiently energetic to launch a cosmic ray volley that could locally overpower the interstellar magnetic field and allow long-range flight of the cosmic rays out of our Galaxy’s nuclear bulge. Also, if it were able to release cosmic rays along rectilinear trajectories towards us and produce a superwave, I don’t believe that the consequences would pose any kind of health hazard. Although there is a rather remote possibility (which I cannot presently rule out) that such a superwave may be a Magnitude 1 superwave that carries an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) and geomagnetic disturbance similar to a Carrington solar flare event, one that would be able to disrupt our electrical grid and satellite communication systems. Also a magnitude 1 event could possibly cause significant seismic activity similar to the December 2004 tsunami event that struck two days before our satellites registered the largest Galactic gamma ray burst in modern history. But these more serious EMP and gravity wave consequences should occur only if the G2 cloud break up and consumption occurred quickly, as we will discuss below.


Note that this means "near our galactic core" from what we can see now. The galactic core is roughly 26,000 light years away from earth, so in one sense whatever happened when cloud G2 came close to our galactic core already happened, 26,000 years ago, and we're just waiting for the news to arrive, next year, at light speed.

[araucaria]

Note that this means "near our galactic core" from what we can see now. The galactic core is roughly 26,000 light years away from earth, so in one sense whatever happened when cloud G2 came close to our galactic core already happened, 26,000 years ago, and we're just waiting for the news to arrive, next year, at light speed.

Thanks to you LaViolette quoters, I'm a fan of his too. I am still puzzling over the correlation between our precession cycle of 26,000 years with our distance from the galactic centre, 26,000 light years. There has got to be some connection, albeit indirect.

[Bill Ryan]

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Quote from 'Daniel', David Wilcock's Montauk insider contact: (from the PDF linked here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension&p=580156&viewfull=1#post580156) or here (http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Commenter-QA-Geoengineering-1st-Volley.pdf))




Re: photon belt... in order to have a "belt," for example the asteroid belt, there needs to be some cohesion between the constituent parts.

Photons do not gravitate--there is nothing to keep photons together, in a belt or otherwise. If there is a belt, it may emit photons but cannot be made of them.

That's correct, as every physicist will confirm (while rolling his eyes at yet more New Age absurdity). The 'photon belt', I'm afraid, is another New Age fiction that's become part of the quite widespread but hugely mistaken belief system -- like the 'alignment' which actually isn't any alignment at all.

But Paul LaViolette, who's pretty smart and by no means a crackpot, may be on the right track when he talks about cyclical superbursts from the Galactic Center which affect us fairly regularly (in cosmic timescale terms).

If we experience the effects of something like this, its correct to state that it must have happened a very long time ago and is on its way to us at light speed, with nothing we can do about it either to detect it or get out of the way.

It's rather like a gunshot from a sniper in the bushes: by the time you hear it, it's too late to duck. If you can hear it at all, the bullet's already missed you! :)

What this boils down to re Paul LaViolette is that there's absolutely nothing we can do about this, so we may as well regard it as an interesting theory -- and nothing more.

By definition, we cannot predict this at all, except in the terms he has described (which is that it may be cyclical). But 'cyclical' certainly does not mean being able to predict anything to the nearest day, or even to the nearest century.

(The Yellowstone supervolcano may be cyclical, too. It works in the same kind of way, in that it blows when certain physical circumstances all pile up together, as they do periodically, and create a trigger.)

[ThePythonicCow]

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Quote from 'Daniel', David Wilcock's Montauk insider contact: (from the PDF linked here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51752-Geoengineering-Chemtrails-HAARP-World-Orders-Time-Lines-and-Ascension&p=580156&viewfull=1#post580156) or here (http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Commenter-QA-Geoengineering-1st-Volley.pdf))





Re: photon belt... in order to have a "belt," for example the asteroid belt, there needs to be some cohesion between the constituent parts. Photons do not gravitate--there is nothing to keep photons together, in a belt or otherwise. If there is a belt, it may emit photons but cannot be made of them.


Though I agree with the thrust of that quote, and have said about as much myself here, I would:

consider the electro-magnetic fields (EMFs) within plasmas as well as gravity, which EMFs are also unable to hold photons together, even as those plasmas can emit photons, and
acknowledge that theories of black holes do involve the gravitational confinement of photons, though noting that no one is claiming that photon belt to be a "black (hole) belt" :).

[Hervé]

All righty then, let me add a few more pennies:


[...]

Photon BELT, eh?

AFAIK, photons get disseminated all around light sources in a 360 spherical directions, straight path (except may be some gravitational influence but certainly no eletromagnetic interference)... considering the gazillions of stars from all galaxies all around pumping out these photons... and space is just filled up to the brim with these cats... therefore, herding those cats into a belt... good luck!

As for where that "Photon Belt" IDEA came from, check this one here, from: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/963/is-the-earth-about-to-enter-the-photon-belt-causing-the-end-of-life-as-we-know-it (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/963/is-the-earth-about-to-enter-the-photon-belt-causing-the-end-of-life-as-we-know-it):


What puzzled me was where the photon-belt story came from. The 1991 Nexus article was based on a 1981 article in an Australian UFO mag. I spoke to Colin Norris, head of the Australian UFO society that publishes the magazine, and he said it was coauthored by a "middle-aged mother" and a college undergraduate. Norris denied it was a prank, but it seems clear these folks didn't have detailed technical knowledge, unless of course they were on the horn with the guys from Sirius*.

* That is: Virginia Essene and Sheldon Nidle claim[ing] to be "channeling" members of the "Sirian Council" beings from a distant planet

[gripreaper]

My point in this rambling is that this is not about new age physics versus old age physics. Bill in his studies and experiences, and myself in my studies, both, from what I can tell, are certain that there are truths in "new age" physics (e.g. - ET's, psychics, electric plasmas, astrology, alchemy, ...) that are beyond the reach of "old age" physics.

And to this I would add, archeology, anthropology, and some biology. I see a real symbiosis within all of the disciplines, and they appear to at least be converging into one discipline, which remains “unnamed”. Most of these disciplines fall into the “Science” part of the equation (or balance) whereas the “Spiritual” side has fewer descriptors, such as alchemy and energetics.


Rather this is about knowing in one's bones that there is an underlying truth, and remaining committed to seek out and act in accordance with that truth, even as we realize how flimsy our efforts might be at times.

Yes, and to that, I am introducing Dr Schuesslers mineral cell salts into my daily protocol, so as to help the oils from the pineal gland to activate and stimulate the other glands, so that the oil can return to my cerebrum and wake up my higher mind. (may start a thread on this when I've read the book and have some data)


I sense that some of the key instigating purveyors of 2012 apocalypticism lacked that commitment. Perhaps, as others have suggested, they were too stoned out of their gourds to spell such words.

All the shenanigans of the hooligans are based in the lower mind of the cerebellum. That’s the cognitive aspect of the deception. In the energy body, it’s the lower chakras in their discordant state of unbalanced emotions of fear in the first, anger in the second, and grief in the third That’s what the Archon’s are stimulating in the collective. They hit a “bull’s eye” on the grief they siphoned off from the collective with their child massacre in broad daylight, then rolling out the repeat descriptors in the media, right before Christmas.


I would urge others not to let an apparent, but superficial, endorsement of new age physics be a criteria by which one chooses what to consider further. Look beneath the surface, for the ceaseless striving for core structural integrity.

And this is why I keep bringing all science and spirituality down to the basic component which unites at the core, these two categorical perspectives, and that is energy. How it works and what influences do we individually, as a collective, and all the other huge masses in the universe have on the “timeline”, (to use a word which has been coined here and elsewhere) and how does the physical universe change according to these influences.

It’s a process of distillation, where those things which no longer fit into a totally unified paradigm, are discarded. This happens quite frequently here at Avalon, and sometimes it can get ugly when we are tearing down the castles we have built around ourselves, even as the mote is being drained and the evil is right at the front door. It’s also challenging to “live and let live” when the battering rams are beating down the front door.

There are those who say, those Archon’s need to be given amnesty and enfolded into the field, while there are others who say they are devoid of empathy and are incorrigible psychopaths. WE know they control all of the tangible assets of on the planet, when faced with a fiat debt system where 80% of all capital flows into the 1%. That’s the scarcity paradigm and won’t get solved till free energy is released. However you perceive that, it’s the technology the Archon’s have which is 100 years superior to that released into the public sector, that’s the energy they are withholding.

So, if they hold all the energy in the matrix, and control it, what’s left? It’s the energy of each individual as a collective. It is obvious to me that the Archon’s are amping up their efforts to continue to extract as much of this energy in order to keep the resonance at a certain frequency. They damn well know how to manipulate the frequency of the collective psyche. To mind control a young man and use him as a patsy to slaughter innocent children in broad daylight, they’re getting pretty arrogant. We here at Avalon don’t need another example.

So, I sense the urgency in Bill: that we are facing the most despicable and arrogant Archonic forces in all areas of our society, and they almost have a complete lock on us. Fascism and slavery is just around the corner unless we as a collective remain diligent, doing our due diligence, and acting in the highest integrity we can. Sometimes I think we don’t know the half of what they are capable of. Sometimes I think Bill does, but he can’t say.


Even as my specific views in so many subjects keep changing, sometimes in quite radical ways over the years, I remain convinced that we can understand, with a disciplined consistency. Words have meanings, and those meanings, those concepts behind our words, deserve to be built with as much clarity and consistency as we can muster, even as we are well aware that those concepts, like the images in the artists mind, and those words, like the paints on his brush, are but pale and ever shifting facsimiles of what is.

Very well said. This has been, and is, one of the best threads so far for 2013. Ya see, we can’t put a finger on it and pin it to an exact date or an exact event, but we can tear down the lies and “bring it” when it comes to truth. Learning when to speak and when to keep my mouth shut is an art. So is being as erudite as possible when speaking, especially in forums where one has to pick up on the energy of the poster, since the advantages of “in person” voice inflection, timber, tone and body language are not available.


Do you realize guys/gals, that we may be actually doing, in an open public ground and group undertaking, the first ever workable combination of new science, old science (astrology and alchemy), spirituality, behaviors and biology, all this for an overall understanding of change in humanity. (I am aware that some may have done it individually).

Yes, I do. It’s quite exciting and I hope I never take it for granted.


Once I understood the origins of time/space/gravity..which is really just a few more items added (observational position is changed)..and then it becomes very simplistic. once I understood that, all the problems ......go away. It is a cascading aspect, to be sure, but the issues of understanding the frameworks of human 'existence' or 'observational position/vector' do indeed go away.

So I take this to understanding that we have more senses than just the 5 physical senses, from which to “feel” energetically a broader reality? This locality of observation, and how it affects the total matrix of energy, is the spiritual aspect? A realization, or an “aha” moment, integrates all of the 12 bodily systems, is capable of rewiring the synapses in our brain between the hemispheres, opens up to the more subtle senses, and changes the energetic structure of the body. Yes, that is how strong beliefs are and our point of observation. Our bodies are transceivers, and it depends on the station we are tuned into, and the music which is being played on that station.

I better end this post now. Sorry for the length. It’s Christmas Eve and I want to set a clear intention for the New Year.

[Camilo]

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Everything you wanted to know about '2012' but didn't know to ask.

Heard of the Photon Belt? Pole Shift? Precession of Equinoxes?
Nibiru, Solar Storms, The Mayan Calendar or Biblical Prophecy?

With over 30 yrs in Radio & TV Broadcasting, Boulder Professor Marc "The Arcturian", takes you on this Galaxial Tour in:
"The Most Comprensive 60 Minutes On "2012" Ever Assembled"

Over 4G/1,200 Photos, Clips, Animations, Slides and SFX went into this video of Disneyesque Proportion even Bill didn't know you could make when you let a deranged professor play with his PowerPoint2010 60 Day Trial Version for three months!

[ghostrider]

all the doom and gloom has only one hour and twenty minutes to show up ... I guess we will have to be happy...

[Mark]

Intriguing and controversial video, it is the subject of 7 pages of intense discussion in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-Next-Friday-every-Friday-the-combining-thread).

[ThePythonicCow]

Everything you wanted to know about '2012' but didn't know to ask.


Intriguing and controversial video, it is the subject of 7 pages of intense discussion in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53011-Next-Friday-every-Friday-the-combining-thread).

Good catch, Rahkyt. Thanks.

Threads merged.

[araucaria]

You can see a photon belt any time at your local cinema. In the home movie variety you can even stand up and become a shadowy part of the film being projected :)

However to entertain the possibility of a donut shaped light beam of this kind begs the question of its source. Any source would have to be perpendicular, like a smoker blowing smoke rings or a dolphin blowing bubble rings.

So, while I agree with the above posts, there just might be a mechanism behind this strange creature ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Whether this 26,000 year cycle is best explained as a wobbly earth (precessing like a child's top) or whether it is better explained as the entire solar system orbiting around a shared center of gravity with some other such large mass (perhaps the dog star Sirius) is subject to some debate. The later possibility would mean that our sun was part of a binary star system, which is fairly common.There may be a better way of looking at this. The key question might best be put as this:
Is this 26,000 year precession an earth wobble, or a solar system wobble?

The answer could be found by looking at the other planets in the solar system. Presumably they each have some non-zero inclination that is well known by now to astronomers, just as earth does. Do all the planets precess in synchrony with earth? If so, that's not each planet wobbling independently; rather it is the solar system rotating en masse. I have not seen (though perhaps because I don't know where to look) any data, or even discussion, on the precession of the other planets in our solar system.

Then, if (as my intuition suspects is likely) the entire solar system is rotating, relative to our galaxy, on a 26,000 (approximate) year cycle, the next question becomes how does this rotation relate to other nearby stars such as Sirius, Alcyone and the other stars in the Pleiades cluster, Alpha Centauri, and such. There is motion, relative to the background of further away stars and galaxies, between these nearby stars and earth, sufficient to change such things as (1) which visible star is nearest the north pole and (2) the alignment of shafts in the Great Pyramid to nearby stars (the shafts had several alignments about 2450 BC, which have drifted out of alignment now).

This motion amongst our sun and nearby stars might just be the relative differences of entirely independent orbits of each such star, or closely related star coupling (such as Sirius A, B and C or such as the Pleiades cluster), around the galactic core, or this motion might involve cyclic interactions between the stars near us. Current conventional astronomy has our sun being too far away from any other star to form an ordinary binary star coupling using just gravity; but such conventional astronomy might not know all that is happening in the "heavens."

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P.S. -- For more details and evidence supporting my intuition that this is a solar system wobble, and that it involves interactions with other nearby stars or large masses, see Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider (Signs Of The Times) (http://www.sott.net/article/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider).

Here's a key quote from that article:



So any planets or other objects within the Solar System do not appear to precess with respect to the Earth. The only objects that follow precessional movement are those outside the Solar System. If this is the case, then precession cannot be due to this top-like motion that the Lunisolar Theory dictates.