Lipsomal Vitamin C dosage vs IV Vitamin C Dosage

[Arrowwind]

Lipsomal C dosages vs IV dosage



1,000mg of typical capsule or pill ascorbic acidtaken orally results in 190mg into the blood.

When I make my own oral liposomalvitamin c with is in a liquid form this is what I have.
Follow the math.

1 tsp. powdered ascorbic acid (ac)= 5 grams (this may vary according to the ac you purchase. Check the labelbefore purchase to make sure it has 5 grams/tsp.)

Lipsomal C formula requires:

9 tsp ac per = 2 cups liposomal solution = 16 ounces liposomal C

9 tsp ac = 45 grams ac

=9.25 grams of vitamin c per fluidounce of liposomal c, most of which goes into the blood. (45 grams divided by16ounces )



So if you are very ill you will want to take one ounce every hour while awake and during the night also if you wake up. Insevere cases you should be awakened to take one to two ounces during the night.



1 gm = 1,000mg

9.25 gm = 9,250mg

10 ounces of liposomal vitamin cper day will equal approximately 92,500 mg of vitamin C per day, about equal towhat a naturopath might administer per IV. Their dosage ranges are typicallyfrom 25,000 mg IV to 100,000 mg IV daily.

[ThePythonicCow]

Lipsomal C formula requires:
9 tsp ac per = 2 cups liposomal solution = 16 ounces liposomal C
9 tsp ac = 45 grams ac
=9.25 grams of vitamin c per fluid ounce of liposomal c, most of which goes into the blood. (45 grams divided by16ounces )


How did you get 9.25 gm/oz from 45 grams and 16 ounces?

I get 45/16 == 2.8 gm/oz :)

[ThePythonicCow]

My liposomal mix is 3 tsp (aka 1 Tbsp) in 1.5 cups, not 9 tsp (3 Tbsp) in 2 cups, so is less than half the concentration (mine being 1.25 gm/oz, versus yours, I'm pretty sure, 2.8 gm/oz)

I don't recall how I ended up with that ratio ... something I adapted from some web page a year ago likely.

I take it you are having no trouble getting your higher concentration to mix well? Perhaps I should try it. Not that it matters much whether I take 1 Tbsp (15 gms) of solution or 2 Tbsp (30 gms) of the resulting solution at a serving.

(For those on other measuring systems, tsp is teaspoon which is about 5 gms water, and Tbsp is Tablespoon, which is 3 teaspoons, so about 15 gms water.)

[ThePythonicCow]

10 ounces of liposomal vitamin c per day will equal approximately 92,500 mg of vitamin C per day, about equal to what a naturopath might administer per IV. Their dosage ranges are typically from 25,000 mg IV to 100,000 mg IV daily.
I ended up taking what I roughly calculated to be 2 to 4 grams of Vit C in liposomal form per day to combat the toxins from my dental implant, until I could get it pulled. Roughly I took it as I felt. Whenever the "flu like" feelings from the toxic overload started to consciously intrude, I took another dose, and at my highest rate of consumption, a batch (1.5 cups, 15 gms Vit C) would last 4 to 6 days. I was also taking several grams of chewable (xylitol sweetened, not fructose) Vit C as well, more or less to bowel tolerance.

[realitycorrodes]

Anyone using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner to make their mix?


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in Health & Wellness

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[ThePythonicCow]

Anyone using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner to make their mix?

Vitamin C: The Primal Panacea -- Dr. Thomas Levy


I use an ultrasonic cleaner, yes. I wore out the first one I used, a Harbor Freight (the low cost one most often mentioned for this use) and now have a slightly more expensive model CD-7810 (sold under several names, but same model number) that I am quite happy with so far. So far as I know, there is no other practical way to make small batches of liposomal Vitamin C (or liposomal glutathione) for personal use. One can buy the ready made, but (1) it's rather expensive and (2) they have to add preservatives to it to get a shelf life sufficient for retail trade.

Thanks for the news of Dr. Thomas Levy's latest book. I already have 3 of his earlier books; I like the way he thinks about this sort of stuff. I'll have to check out his latest work.

[Arrowwind]

So Im rewriting this… Thanks for the math check Paul. and that’s what I get when trying to do this when my eye lids were being held up with toothpicks. I figured if there was a problem it would be straightened out here my morning by the critical eyes of Avelon. I really needed to know the exact dosage and hadn't seen it written out before.
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Lipsomal C dosages vs IV dosage

1,000mg of typical ascorbic acid taken orally in pills results in 190mg into the blood.

When I make my own oral liposomal vitamin c with in a liquid form this is what I have. Follow the math.
1 tsp. powdered ascorbic acid (ac) = 5 grams (this may vary according to the ac you purchase. Check the label before purchase to make sure it has 5 grams/tsp.)

Lipsomal C formula requires:
9 tsp ac per = 2 cups liposomal solution = 16 ounces liposomal C
9 tsp ac = 45 grams ac

45grams/16ounces = 2.8 grams per ounce

1 ounce of liposomal vitamin c per day will equal approximately 2,800 mg of vitamin C
10 ounces of liposomal c = 28,000mg (28grams)
18 ounces of liposomal c = 50,400mg (50.4grams)

50.4 grams is medium range for an IV application of vitamin c
This dosage could be doubled for an adult. Some docs give 100grams IV daily in severe cases
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Paul, this last time I made it I put 3 tablespoons of ascorbic acid in.
I increased the sodium bicarb by one third (the recipe I had been using called for 2 tablespoons of c)

It seemed to mix well. I could not see any difference in the texture of the mix
But it tastes terrible. I use soy lecithin. How can we know if it all turned lipsomal or not? How could we even know with the 2 tablespoon recipie?
We are told it is but how do we know? Basically I look for a gut reaction. If that c is not going directly in then the gut will get disturbed and diarrhea will happen.

So what I need to decide in the next few hours is what to take for a dose.
Should it be taken thoughout the day a few ounces at a time?
All at once ( which is how it would be if you did an IV or given probably over an hour)
or half in am half in pm?
This would be in consideration for a severel ill person.

[fourty-two]

Thanks for the info. I make liposomal vitamin C using sodium ascorbate (tried magneisum ascorbate but didnt like the grey color it turned out).
Basically I dissolve 1 tablespoon of sodium ascorbate in 4 oz water and 3 tablespoons of non-gmo lecthin in 8 oz water and pour both mixtures into my ultrasonic cleaner ($40 from Target).
I take 2-3 big glugs when I first get up - before coffee, and usually sometime before bedtime.
This keeps my dental condition (several root canals capped, several amalgum fillings, and 4 chipped teeth) along with a lifetime of way too much dental work, under good control. I have toothaches when I dont take the big glugs of the liposomal Vitamin C after two days.

Cavaet: dont get carried away and decide to put everything into the liposomal mixture. Go to U tube and listen to all the Dr Levy vids AND all the other vids on vitamin c listed alongside. Somewhere in the mix are several by another Dr (Jaffee???) who reports on making their own Vitamin C (for injection) and from those videos comes the caveat. Whilst liposomal is not for injection, I feel the caveats apply.

[realitycorrodes]

Thanks Paul, I am about to go purchase an ultrasonic machine - and I have only just got turned on to Thomas Levy who I am loving as well.

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, this last time I made it I put 3 tablespoons of ascorbic acid in.
I increased the sodium bicarb by one third (the recipe I had been using called for 2 tablespoons of c)

It seemed to mix well. I could not see any difference in the texture of the mix
But it tastes terrible. I use soy lecithin. How can we know if it all turned lipsomal or not? How could we even know with the 2 tablespoon recipie?
We are told it is but how do we know? Basically I look for a gut reaction. If that c is not going directly in then the gut will get disturbed and diarrhea will happen.

So what I need to decide in the next few hours is what to take for a dose.
Should it be taken thoughout the day a few ounces at a time?
All at once ( which is how it would be if you did an IV or given probably over an hour)
or half in am half in pm?
This would be in consideration for a severel ill person.

Well ... I can do math checks ... I got me a real degree in that subject.

But clinical advice is not something I have the training, experience or license for :).

If I had to wing it with a friend or loved one of mine, I'd start with modest doses, administer every couple of hours that they were awake, and quickly ramp up the dosage, to see how they reacted. Too little and it has inadequate affect, too much too quickly and I hear tell (haven't much experienced personally) you can get a detox reaction, especially if the patient hasn't been taking much Vit C. In my personal case, I'm more worried that if I ever ended up in a hospital setting as a patient with inadequate control of what I consumed, I'd quickly start showing signs of scurvy, which I am sure the doctors would misdiagnose and use to justify more damn toxic pharmaceuticals :).

If one is mixing sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) or (what I personally prefer) potassium bicarbonate with ascorbic acid powder to get the less acidic ascorbate salt, then I'm fairly sure that the proper ratio is 3 parts ascorbic acid powder to 1 part bicarbonate powder, by volume. Another option (in theory, to my limited understanding) would be to use Wholesale Nutrition's C-Salts, as a pre-blended mix of various ascorbate salts, mostly potassium. I like C-Salts, and actually toss a teaspoon of it into the liquid mix I drink multiple times per day (grapefruit juice, a splash of apple cider vinegar, a teaspoon of C-Salts, and a tablespoon each of liposomal Vit C and liposomal glutathione.)

My current theory, tested without controls or blinds on a population of one - myself, is that both liposomal Vit C and liposomal glutathione are useful, and that they work together to be better than either alone. Unfortunately, powdered glutathione is a bit harder to get, and quite a bit more expensive. I do not mix any bicarbonate's with the glutathione ... but that's just my speculative guess work.

I find I get good liposomal mixes by first leaving the lecithin soaking in water for a day or three (which might not be an option in your immediate situation.) The web recipes I've read said to soak for a few hours, but I think more soaking is better.

[conk]

Thanks all, I've just received my sonic machine and lecithin. Question is, do you really consider ascorbic acid vitamin C? I've always been taught that vitamin c was complex, made of many parts. Here is just one source: http://www.whale.to/a/shea1.html

[Hervé]

Some additional data:

50 grams potassium bicarbonate serving = 19.50 grams potassium

Potassium Bicarbonate Density (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density): 2.17 g/cm3; Solubility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility) in water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water): 33.7 g/100 mL (20 °C), 60 g/100 mL (60 °C)


Vit C: ¼ tsp = 1.20 grams Ascorbic acid = 1 gram Vit C; ¼ tsp = 1.23223 cm3

Ascorbic acid Density (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density): 1.65 g/cm3; Solubility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility) in water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water): 33 g/100 mL

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks all, I've just received my sonic machine and lecithin. Question is, do you really consider ascorbic acid vitamin C? I've always been taught that vitamin c was complex, made of many parts. Here is just one source: http://www.whale.to/a/shea1.html

There are many other nutrients, such as various bioflavonoids, that occur in various foods that contain Vitamin C.

They are good too; but just the Vitamin C itself has, in my view, substantial value as a human nutrient, in quantities substantially larger than official doctrine.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some additional data:
The solubility of the individual ingredients ascorbic acid and potassium bicarbonate probably doesn't matter much here, as when they are mixed together in water, a rather obvious reaction (bubbling up) occurs, releasing carbon dioxide into the air, and forming the salt potassium ascorbate from what's left. It would be the solubility of potassium ascorbate that mattered in subsequent steps in this procedure ... that and whatever "magic" is involved in forming the liposomal solution, and what affect the concentrations might have on that.

[Arrowwind]

I find I get good liposomal mixes by first leaving the lecithin soaking in water for a day or three (which might not be an option in your immediate situation.) The web recipes I've read said to soak for a few hours, but I think more soaking is better.

What makes this better. Have you done it without putting it in the frige?
I find that the NOW lecithin dissolves very easily just in luke warm water.

[ThePythonicCow]

What makes this better. Have you done it without putting it in the frige?
I find that the NOW lecithin dissolves very easily just in luke warm water.
Hmmm ... I'm using Swanson, not NOW, but I'd imagine they are similar non-GMO Soy Lecithin granules.

I have not tried it with warm water ... that might work! I have been keeping the lecithin cold, so it doesn't go rancid as quickly. When I do that, it takes a day or three for the lecithin to dissolve entirely into the water; the first day it is mostly floating on top and any liposomal product made from it then also tends to separate out.

If one were using up a batch more quickly than I am, so that one had less concern with the lecithin going bad, then your way might well work just fine. My current way works OK for my habits -- I just start a new batch of lecithin soaking a few days before the previous batch runs out. But that might work so well for your situation.

[norman]

Thanks for this thread.

I'm getting an education here.

[The23rdman]

I've tried for years to get any useful amount of C into my system, but have failed on every count. My body just will not tolerate it at all. :(

[Arrowwind]

I've tried for years to get any useful amount of C into my system, but have failed on every count. My body just will not tolerate it at all. :(

In what way will it not tolerate it? Lipsomal form may eliminate your issues as the C gets readily absorbed. You can try it from www.livonlabs.com (http://www.livonlabs.com) This site offers several articles explaining the difference between regular oral vitamin c and lipsomal c. If its good then you can learn to make it for yourself.

[The23rdman]

I've tried for years to get any useful amount of C into my system, but have failed on every count. My body just will not tolerate it at all. :(

In what way will it not tolerate it? Lipsomal form may eliminate your issues as the C gets readily absorbed. You can try it from www.livonlabs.com (http://www.livonlabs.com) This site offers several articles explaining the difference between regular oral vitamin c and lipsomal c. If its good then you can learn to make it for yourself.



I have an ultrasonic cleaner and have made lipsomal thinking it would be my saviour, but it was just a tough on my digestive system as any other form. I can take tiny amounts of Cal Ascorbate, but nothing near a theraputic dose. Any kind of slight overdose upsets my digestive system ans then every other system for weeks. I am a bit broken. :)

[Alan]

I've tried for years to get any useful amount of C into my system, but have failed on every count. My body just will not tolerate it at all. :(

I personally get ridiculously gassy when I take more than about a gram orally.