Imagination

[Fred Steeves]

Imagination is a funny thing, isn't it? Or maybe it's more how many confusing and contradictory ways we are taught about it. Sometimes we hear: "Come on, use your imagination". But if we run too far with that, we are told: "NOW you're letting your imagination run away with you". It's like there's this sweet spot right in the middle where it is considered appropriate to hang our hat.

I think we are massively misled about what imagination actually is, just like in mainstream thought our dreams are nothing more than the mind's way of working out various life situations. Of course sometimes that's likely all it is, but often there is so much more to it.

IMO, imagination is our Creator realm. Anything we can imagine we can create, so the greater the imagination expands, the greater our creations become, thus inspiring greater imagination. Imagine that! This would in turn mean that we could imagine and create our way into, or out of, anything we please.

If we found ourselves mired in a sticky, clingy creation, it stands to reason that that sticky, clingy creation would want to keep things that way, just as they are. Probably even more so. The only way it could pull this off would be to stop any further imaginings dead in their tracks, just keep imagining mundane things.

Or, maybe my imagination is simply running away with me again, perhaps I'll cut down on the coffee a tad. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Fred

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Sleep is for babies, vive la coffee!!

You make some very poetic points there. :kiss:

My shrink tells me, DRAW pictures -- sing songs, that is creation!

[Cidersomerset]

Imagination is a funny thing, isn't it? Or maybe it's more how many confusing and contradictory ways we are taught about it. Sometimes we hear: "Come on, use your imagination". But if we run too far with that, we are told: "NOW you're letting your imagination run away with you". It's like there's this sweet spot right in the middle where it is considered appropriate to hang our hat.

Things were so much more simpler before we grow up...LOL...



Imagination - The 'Waser' Gun
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I can remember me and a friend when we were around five years old
sat in an old wardrobe laydown on the ground. One sat in front of the
other and we flew thru space...LOL and many more adventures without
computors and toys, just our immagination and 'scaby' knees !!

[Keltikmuse]

I was always told by my parents that I had an overactive imagination. Well it has kept me very comforted over the years, as a way of making myself happy, of escaping horror in my life, of getting things I need. I am now putting my fantastic imagination to9 use and am writing a book.
Viva l'imagination.

[RMorgan]

Hey Fred,

Imagination is our true gift, in my opinion.

In the field of computer sciences, when scientists research AI, imagination is the only thing right now that they have no idea on how to program or simulate.

You know, even emotions can be programmed, because they have patterns and whatever has patterns can be simulated.

However, imagination has no patterns whatsoever. It´s completely unpredictable and limitless.

Cheers,

Raf.

[modwiz]

Hey Fred,

Imagination is our true gift, in my opinion.

In the field of computer sciences, when scientists research AI, imagination is the only thing right now that they have no idea on how to program or simulate.

You know, even emotions can be programmed, because they have patterns and whatever has patterns can be simulated.

However, imagination has no patterns whatsoever. It´s completely unpredictable and limitless.

Cheers,

Raf.

Even the master chess players, those world planners, cannot account for chess pieces with imagination. That fact ruins their plans, and so they do their best to ignore it. The behavior of those who do not cope well with not getting their way. Winning this game is all on us. It is painful to see the thread that keeps us bound. Any real effort and it would snap easily.

[Tony]

Yes, imagination is a blessing, and a curse. It creates insights with different configurations.
That's why when one gets inspired, one must drop it, immediately after being expressed.


....this keeps the tap running, 'cos there's another one behind!
If one doesn't one get a bit bunged up...with concepts.






Tony

[sirdipswitch]

To understand imagination, one must first understand infinity. :wizard:

[Fred Steeves]

To understand imagination, one must first understand infinity. :wizard:

Well go figure sirdipswitch, I actually understand it the other way around.

To understand infinity, one must first understand imagination.

And yes Tony, I totally agree about keeping the tap running. Hanging on to ANYTHING is not a very good idea.

[Carmen]

To "image in" is our creative gift. To hold in image that which we wish to create, brings it into the material 3d realm. To "see" what isn't there yet, brings it forth. And "doubt not"!! Imagination is the gift of Gods.

[sirdipswitch]

Yep! Absolutely correct Fred. It goes both ways.

[mahalall]

keeping them on the shelf of awareness can be insightfull, but they act as a distraction from the momentary truth.

[Fred Steeves]

keeping them on the shelf of awareness can be insightfull, but they act as a distraction from the momentary truth.

Mahalall, can you please elaborate? The more the boundaries of my imagination are expanded, the more clearly I also see the present. Sort of the "As above, so below" thing I reckon.

[Mark]

Great OP. I agree fully Fred. A gift or a curse, depending upon the individual. Everybody states things so well there is nothing to add so Im just going around liking everyone's insights indicative of the nature of this community's great membership.

[DeDukshyn]

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein

[Spiral]

Images are the means to communicate with the subconscious, which then creates our individual realities, once we only had cave art, which depicts that which the artist desired, roll forward to today and its a means of control by bombarding us with images hence TV, etc etc

Using imagination is to create our internal images, and thereby create our world, but we pick up things that colour and populate imagination, its a natural process that has been hijacked to varying degrees, depending on the individual.

Personally I think that as children we are all like little shamen until we have it hammered out of us.

[DeDukshyn]

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Personally I think that as children we are all like little shamen until we have it hammered out of us.

I could not agree more with this. More than just a useful post ;)

[Finefeather]

Hi Fred, between you and Tony I always get a real mind lesson...love your threads.


To "image in" is our creative gift. To hold in image that which we wish to create, brings it into the material 3d realm. To "see" what isn't there yet, brings it forth. And "doubt not"!! Imagination is the gift of Gods.
Hi Carmen, such a lovely mystical way of wording it, thanks.


To understand imagination, one must first understand infinity. :wizard:
Hi sirdipswitch
I was playing around with this statement of yours and trying to see the relationship between imagination and infinity and found some interesting things. Please note that this is just my mind at work and I make no claims for it's authenticity...I could be totally insane :)

Some time ago I still had the idea that infinity was just a little more than a 'hell of a lot' and it seemed to me to be some how understandable because they did mentioned this in school and I just thought I was just too dumb to understand. I thought everyone else understood this and so just left the building when anyone started talking about infinity :)
But when you look at this word from another angle, we see it is translated from Latin as unboundedness...which means endless. So we can say that we will actually never reach a state of infinity...because it's endless...so as far as I can tell and conclude infinity is really a non existent state which no one or thing can ever reach and the word has just been created to fill a gap which arose out of ignorance, or maybe a better more gentle way to put it is, that our earthly minds have just not got the capacity to grasp this concept...and even if infinity had some kind of manifestation which is called 'endless' we have not yet defined it adequately.

So my next task was to look at how I understood imagination. Is imagination actually measurable or is it just something in our minds which we conjure up as a precursor to some idea and hence some action?
Imagination is the mind in creative mode, it has not yet done the creation but is busy with the creation of something. We know that some people are not able to imagine some concepts or things and this is actually related to the state of the enlightenment of the person...it could also be related to some physical abnormality but lets just focus on the normal physical state for this. So...some of us can imagine 'better' than others...so what's the link to a higher state of awareness?...it is the intuition...and intuition is a state we get better at as we connect more to the higher mind. The more enlightened we become the greater the intuition becomes and the more useful our imaginations will be. In other words, as Carmen has pointed out, imagination is the creative mind of the higher self which comes through as an intuitive process from the “Gods” (our higher state). We all have imagination but there are degrees of usefulness of the imagination. Some will imagine things which are more self oriented than others.

So getting back to this statement, I can see no relationship between imagination and infinity, they are 2 different ideas. The closest I could come to any relationship is that the 'higher' the 'quality' of the imagination the more infinity seems to become a meaningless concept. So to truly understand infinity it seems to be more of a requirement to be more enlightened, which would make one more imaginative.
So infinity is only revealed for what it is when imagination is at it's finest state and therefore infinity has no perceivable influence on imagination.

Love to all
Ray

[Tesseract]

There is a mostly forgotten branch of metaphysics, or perhaps more accurately ‘creation theory’ called imagining. I read into it many years ago in a book called Nurslings of immortality, by a former physicist called Raynor Johnson. This philosophy postulates that the act of imagining itself is inherently a part of creation, the details beyond that I do not recall after all these years. I lost interest after the writer tried to tie god into the theory, however if you can put that aside I think many people here would find it an interesting subject to read about. I do remember how the book opens; there are some photographs of individual snowflakes, with the hexagonal symmetry we are all familiar with. The question is posed: how does one arm of the snowflake ‘know’ how the opposite arm is growing – in order to grow in the same highly complicated pattern? It’s still a great question, but the author used imagining to explain it.

Johnson’s work was an extension of the work of Douglas Fawcett who published The Oberland dialogues, and the Zermatt Dialogues in the early 20th century – a google search also brings up ‘the world as imagining’. I have not read any of these although at one point I had intended to buy myself copies.

Incidentally, another, earlier, work by Raynor Johnson called The Imprisoned Splendour is a brilliant book that covers clairvoyance, ESP and so on – it beats anything I have found on the internet by a mile.

[Chester]

There is a mostly forgotten branch of metaphysics, or perhaps more accurately ‘creation theory’ called imagining. I read into it many years ago in a book called Nurslings of immortality, by a former physicist called Raynor Johnson. This philosophy postulates that the act of imagining itself is inherently a part of creation, the details beyond that I do not recall after all these years. I lost interest after the writer tried to tie god into the theory, however if you can put that aside I think many people here would find it an interesting subject to read about. I do remember how the book opens; there are some photographs of individual snowflakes, with the hexagonal symmetry we are all familiar with. The question is posed: how does one arm of the snowflake ‘know’ how the opposite arm is growing – in order to grow in the same highly complicated pattern? It’s still a great question, but the author used imagining to explain it.

Johnson’s work was an extension of the work of Douglas Fawcett who published The Oberland dialogues, and the Zermatt Dialogues in the early 20th century – a google search also brings up ‘the world as imagining’. I have not read any of these although at one point I had intended to buy myself copies.

Incidentally, another, earlier, work by Raynor Johnson called The Imprisoned Splendour is a brilliant book that covers clairvoyance, ESP and so on – it beats anything I have found on the internet by a mile.

I found through personal experience the power of imagination - I once suggested to myself when I was around age 26 that if there be "God" then I would expect there could be a capability of communicating directly with "God." Strangely over the next 28 or so years I developed a form of communication which i perceived was with "God" for quite some time. To give an example, I would ask "God" a question and "God" would answer through my reality experience in an obvious, direct way.

Unfortuantaly, I was unstable emotionally such that a year ago this communication turned a bit dark and I almost did myself in. I then stopped all forms of mind altering drugs (including alcohol) and sought answers. I found most of my answers through this forum and came upon the possibility that I simply tapped into a digital reality experience which could be manipulated by a third party that is not "god" and perhaps that may even be artificial.

This allowed me to take the various steps where I reclaimed my soul, freed my spirit and have built a wide bridge between my very limited waking conscious realm and my vast, relatively unreconciled sub conscious realm which has become a unification of my consciousness to a larger degree than ever before experienced in this lifetime.

I did all this because I imagined I could. It started with that. I then created my own definition of "God" as I moved through the phases of understanding of what "God" could be solely by eliminating what would be acceptable and what would not be acceptable to me as to what "God" is and what "God" might be.

At the end I discovered the last thing Samuel Chester Hunter had to discover which is that "he" is a quantum being - that is, that "i" am a one off singular expression of the All that Is ("God") and that I can choose which forms of the expression of "God" I want to be.

I call this moving into realization which would then allow the label of "realized quantum being" to apply.

I then made a decision to be in positive, right relationship with all and All.

If I had to give myself a grade as to how well I have done since this discovery and decision (about two months ago)... using the scale of my own standards, I would say I deserve a B+ or at best an A-.

I slipped about 3 times - twice on this forum and once at my office.

One thing about being a "realized child of creation" is that I know at all levels of conscious knowing, that I am perfect. For those who have missed my elaboration about my perfection, I leave it again for you to ponder.

I am perfect.

Perfectly imperfect.

I make mistakes perfectly.

You can't make a mistake any more perfectly than I can and do.

Enjoy the Rest of Your Day and Love to All... justoneham