Soul Preservation Technology... why not?

[Chester]

Hi Folks - my ego wanted to post this in General 9so it might get lots of views)... my old self suggested I should post this in "Spirituality" but my emerging "scientific self" said it should be posted in Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact" as this is where the lovely Horus-Ra thread resides but then... the voice inside said, "look at the categories, Chester... and pick the right one."

Alternative Medicine and Science - bingo

Note: this is a raw piece and mostly unedited... so there will be flow breaks and other areas that will require cleanup, but I had to post this now... not sure why.

The Possibility of Group Soul Preservation Technology

Without getting into a debate here as to what a soul is or if there even is such a thing, indulge me with my own understanding as to what a soul might be which is simply -

a component of a Spirit being... thus I must now define Spirit being (disclaimer - i am simply using the inadequate yet all I have medium to transfer as best i can what I perceive within my mind's eye at this moment - I do not at all suggest "I know this to be TRUE in any absolute sense as I allow my truths to shift all the time and certainly we all have our own views and each of us's views may also shift all the time...) so today I define...

- a Spirit being to be an individual stream emanating directly from "source" which is a "one-off" of source where source essentially is All that Is and thus a Spirit being is an individualized copy of source cast into a sea of universes such that each and every Spirit being stream is source having a unique experience of itself and within itself - within itself are the experiential realms.

- The "soul" component is the storage facility that allows a Spirit being the capability of transferring the essences of each and every "experience" from experience to experience. Simply put, a soul is the residual memory of a Spirit being as it moves from one experiential realm to another.


So imagine the following - How a physically extinct “race” of beings can come back to physical life by way of a preservation and then transfer of their “souls” to a world where their souls have the capacity to once again incarnate into life and do so as close to the level of experience they achieved just prior to some unstoppable event which they knew meant their impending extinction of a vast majority of their physical race?

Where they believe, for whatever reason that a race is a sacred "soul group" or collective which they might believe is wise to attempt to preserve.

I would call this Soul Preservation Technology...

Soul Preservation Technology – let’s say you are an advanced race of beings... let’s say you are actually peaceful, peace loving collective of beings... but that your planet contains say, 10 billion of your race. And your advanced civilization has achieved full soul management technology where when someone dies your soul is able to be isolated and protected and injected into a new physical body prior to birth or at birth... and as you grow up, you are informed as to who you have been in the past, given a rather lengthy history of your past lives, what you went through, etc. such that you could unite your current life experience catalyzed by the presentation of this information such that you would have a high degree of capability of uniting your conscious realm with your sub conscious realm... which allows you the greatest chance of quickly becoming a “whole being” sans internal conflict - as opposed to what may otherwise happen... that you become a fragmented being or simply, in the dark being for much of your lifetime...

OK and so one day the scientists discover that very soon, a ELE was imminent and thus was faced with having to transfer 10 billion beings (perhaps even hundreds of billions of beings as it may very well be likely that this race of beings may actually have achieved guardian civilization level of collective consciousness).

And yet you realize you do not have the technology to transfer all 10 billion guardian race souls much less all the soul developments of each of the races of beings you might be guardian for... all the animal and fish life, insect life, plant life... all life you are aware of in the physical, material realms...

So you may devise a plane where souls might be preserved and placed into the hands of a few select individuals who would be tasked to venture out into space in hopes of finding a suitable home such that perhaps the souls entrusted to you might have the opportunity to be born, once again, into the physical life experience.

There may be all sorts of opinions amongst your society as to how you might go about this or even if you should... etc, but it would be possible at the end of the day, that there may be some attempt to give the full race of beings a chance to move forward.

Now perhaps your civilization has moved well past the hierarchal concept of “God” and then the hierarchy of beings within “God’s” creation... such as Archangels, Angels, physical sentient Beings, less sentient physical Beings, etc.

You might simply understand the nature of creation in a way that yes, there is this source and/or ground from which some interestingly and strangely eternal Spirit seems to come forth and that somehow from the rising of this Spirit is all life... and that your race has achieved a level of understanding that no single expression of life is any less precious than any other... yet, within the physical universe, there are heavenly bodies and it is clear that the lifespan of these heavenly bodies with regards to their ability to support life is finite... And there are also strange things such as black holes where it appears everything gets swallowed up that falls within the grasp of its pull.

You accept that even with your technology where you have somehow achieved the ability to bypass the memory loss between lifetimes through your achievement of advanced soul technology... that regardless of your hopes, dreams and efforts to live eternally by soul preservation and implantation that there may likely be an eventual end... though a bazillion years down the road and who really knows anyways? And even so, who might want to keep living forever? perhaps physicality may get boring, yes?

So anyways, you are faced with an ELE... and you seek a solution and a team of your best minds comes up with the ability to preserve a vast number of souls within a tiny physical component and your technology is advanced enough that you have been able to build ships which could be guided by a few hundred beings where all the soul life on your wonderful planet might have a chance to be preserved and might have a chance to come back to life on another planet (a rather virgin planet) somewhere out there in the local galaxy...

What if the star systems I might be referring to were Sirius and what if the star system targeted by the mission of the Siriusians was our solar system?

Consider the parable behind “Superman.” Imagine if there was actually, Superwomen and men... perhaps a few hundred for example. What if the first planet they found suitable in our solar system was Venus and/or Mars? What if something didn’t go as planned on Mars? What if then another planet was “colonized?” What if Earth eventually became one of these colonized planets?

What if along the way hybrid races were created as that was determined necessary for survival of a vessel that would be able to house the souls of these beings? What if to do so required the hybrid race to take on a younger soul’s evolution within the new hybrid creation and that means the indigenous “animal” kingdom and/or pre-homo sapien race of humans (could be one or the other... not sure).

But in either case, there would have to be an overcoming of more primitive instincts as you are thwarting the natural evolution of a planet’s collective soul and that planet’s collective soul group that would emerge as the guardian race for that planet.

Something suggests to me this may have been the case with what has happened with Earth.

So there’s more here... but the above sets the stage for some soon to be posted, likely controversial posts that I am compelled to make.

As noted in my previous posts, I may be MK Ultra, I may have one or more implants, I may be a tool in the hands of “satanists” that simply want to preserve their earth farm. I have been in well over a dozen psychiatric facilities with well over two years of my life literally locked down from the outside world though 95% of that occurred prior to my 29th birthday (I am now 55 years old). I am known lovingly within my industry as “crazy Chester” which has made it somewhat difficult to find work but somehow I do... I guess I am still sometimes lucky.
But if the voices in my head are either just my own, or happen to be somehow benevolent (and who or what would actually be able to make that final judgment call?) I am compelled to post these strange ideas that have been coming to me more and more lately and that seem to have some sense about them as to the possibility there might be some truth here and the truthful and honest reasons I feel compelled to write this all up and post it on the public world wide web is that maybe it might help just one more person find some peace within themselves as all these “revelations” so to speak have been doing for me.

The rabbit hole may go deep, but if we keep digging, eventually we pop out onto the other side of the world. My approach to figuring all this out is to try and find both entry points and dig from both directions hoping I meet somewhere in the middle. Logic states that this may save time in unraveling the mystery of humanity’s history and its my opinion that if I know the truth of who/what I am via the understanding of my physical being history, I might be able to be of better service to my family and loved ones and those who I have yet to meet.

Anyways – Enjoy the Day! Chester

[AwakeInADream]

Dolores Cannon suggested that we humans here on Earth are the only race in the Universe that loses memory between lifetimes,
which seems like a really unfair deal to me. What a tough planet this is to live on.

Chester, do you think something went wrong with our original Soul transportation? Are we broken? (I think I am)

You know, you should turn some of your ideas into novels, you could be the new prophet of science fiction, like Philip K Dick.
There is a ring of truth here.

[Carmody]

Dolores Cannon suggested that we humans here on Earth are the only race in the Universe that loses memory between lifetimes,
which seems like a really unfair deal to me. What a tough planet this is to live on.

Chester, do you think something went wrong with our original Soul transportation? Are we broken? (I think I am)

You know, you should turn some of your ideas into novels, you could be the new prophet of science fiction, like Philip K Dick.
There is a ring of truth here.

some of us don't loose our memories.

And that they can be recovered.

Perfect your body and intake/reflection, and the understanding of what it takes to get there...will return to you.

Justoneman is figuring that out, right now. he's just spent 30+ days on a vegetarian type diet, and is restricting his world so his mind can be cleared. And he will begin to see clearly, and is beginning to see clearly.

The only thing you need, especially when we are as polluted as we are today...is our body, a VERY minimal environment with NO extra input, some basic bodily protective environment..and our mind, our capacity to cognate. Those things are directly connected to one another and all of them have to be on the table at once, at the same time, then it begins to clear.

You don't need family/friends (more drain - no matter how well intended that is), you don't need jobs, you don't need careers, you don't need governments, cars, money, heck, you barely need clothes.

Simplify, simplify, simplify, ..... block it ALL out. feed the machine correctly, clean the machine (body) out, of all contaminants.

Then your avatar, your body, as a construct and window to this place, will begin to be clear enough... that you can find your way there.

[Finefeather]

Hi Chester
Tell me what you'r on and where to get it and I won't mention a thing to your mother :)

Well they say that if the mind can think it then it's possible...whether those who control and create the physical world would agree with you is another hurdle to cross.

A physically extinct race's souls are the very souls which are in bodies now...and I can assure you they do not become extinct, as we know the word. A soul does not get placed on a rack in a museum like some people are doing when they freeze their bodies for future science to catch up.
Life is an evolutionary process and that includes every level or state of consciousness (soul). Most of the mundane things we do on earth as part of our living is old hat stuff and we just relearn these things because it is part of the physical mechanism which is separate from the part of us that incarnates. The new stuff is what we are interested in.
We often hear researchers say, "once upon a time there was this highly advanced race living on earth" ... Well, Yes this is true, however the life and soul of these advanced races have now moved on to other experiences as we will also do...and have done.
The younger lives with their younger souls will come after us as well. Already there is evolution taking place which will one day see certain animals species individualize and start their journey of enlightenment...like the dog and the cat and the horse...why do you think they are abundantly being domesticated and living with the humans?
Gotta stop here my mind is starting to run and I will soon not be able to stop and I could just be here all night :)
This is an interesting but complicated subject which cannot be resolved easily with words. It becomes more and more involved...as you open up one door another appears in the distance.
Love to all
Ray

[AwakeInADream]

some of us don't loose our memories.

And that they can be recovered.

Perfect your body and intake/reflection, and the understanding of what it takes to get there...will return to you.

Justoneman is figuring that out, right now. he's just spent 30+ days on a vegetarian type diet, and is restricting his world so his mind can be cleared. And he will begin to see clearly, and is beginning to see clearly.

The only thing you need, especially when we are as polluted as we are today...is our body, a VERY minimal environment with NO extra input, some basic bodily protective environment..and our mind, our capacity to cognate. Those things are directly connected to one another and all of them have to be on the table at once, at the same time, then it begins to clear.

You don't need family/friends (more drain - no matter how well intended that is), you don't need jobs, you don't need careers, you don't need governments, cars, money, heck, you barely need clothes.

Simplify, simplify, simplify, ..... block it ALL out. feed the machine correctly, clean the machine (body) out, of all contaminants.

Then your avatar, your body, as a construct and window to this place, will begin to be clear enough... that you can find your way there.

Good advice, I do try.:)

Was there a time on Earth when everyone remembered who they were?

And is it the trappings and pollution of the modern world that stops most people from remembering now?

Do TPTB deliberately poison us, to make us forget?

I sometimes think that we choose to forget in order to make the process of remembering much more beautiful and satisfying.
A real sense of achievement.

What can you give the Soul that is everything? The greatest gift may be to forget, and then remember again...

[Finefeather]

I sometimes think that we choose to forget in order to make the process of remembering much more beautiful and satisfying.
A real sense of achievement.

Hi AwakeInADream
You see...you knew all the time...what kept you from remembering?...You should change your name to WideAwakeInADream :)
Love
Ray

[Chester]

Dolores Cannon suggested that we humans here on Earth are the only race in the Universe that loses memory between lifetimes,
which seems like a really unfair deal to me. What a tough planet this is to live on.

Chester, do you think something went wrong with our original Soul transportation? Are we broken? (I think I am)

You know, you should turn some of your ideas into novels, you could be the new prophet of science fiction, like Philip K Dick.
There is a ring of truth here.

Hi Awake (in a dream)... if you only knew the deeper insanities that play pinball within my mind... so I am sure I could (if I were patient enough) write some stuff and that I could possibly become the next Huxley or Orwell (if "they" let me live)... and then what? I get labeled as "Illumed and Nutty" and someone lays a 33rd degree on me posthumously and my grand kids fight over my vast estate and and and the world remains the same.

I am just glad I am tolerated around here and that somehow I have managed not to get vacationed from Avalon (as well as "vacationed" from the Earth... so far, so good).

Anyways, I have a pretty controversial post lurking deep within which something suggests to me will come forth by the 19th of December - I like 19s anyway.

Now as for the question of did "something go wrong"...

What might actually be wrong?

I have to ask you, would you truly accept a creative source where "you" whatever and however you define "you" to be... where "you" could ever have some ultimate destruction of whatever "you" are where you did not make the decision (if even you could) to come to an end that some outside agency could so do and do so against your will?

I don't and I won't... even if it kills my eternal soul my possibly incorrect belief.

I would never, ever be beholden to any creative source where that could be a possibility - and I don't care that one day I might find out I was wrong and that whatever ever "was" of me is totally and completely destroyed or worse, entrapped in a horrible eternal prison.

Apologies I "extremed out"... I am only making it clear how I now process this experience we call life and I found this method of processing life to be tremendously rewarding and tremendously freeing.

So... (so much for the anti-Chester promise to Finefeather I might slow down in my posting) - I would rather just be me... even if there is a constant state of inconsistency as I do plenty of "point of view hopping" - when it comes to being someone who can be counted on for the truly important things, I'm your man.

Cheers, Chester

[Chester]

Dolores Cannon suggested that we humans here on Earth are the only race in the Universe that loses memory between lifetimes,
which seems like a really unfair deal to me. What a tough planet this is to live on.

Chester, do you think something went wrong with our original Soul transportation? Are we broken? (I think I am)

You know, you should turn some of your ideas into novels, you could be the new prophet of science fiction, like Philip K Dick.
There is a ring of truth here.

some of us don't loose our memories.

And that they can be recovered.

Perfect your body and intake/reflection, and the understanding of what it takes to get there...will return to you.

Justoneman is figuring that out, right now. he's just spent 30+ days on a vegetarian type diet, and is restricting his world so his mind can be cleared. And he will begin to see clearly, and is beginning to see clearly.

The only thing you need, especially when we are as polluted as we are today...is our body, a VERY minimal environment with NO extra input, some basic bodily protective environment..and our mind, our capacity to cognate. Those things are directly connected to one another and all of them have to be on the table at once, at the same time, then it begins to clear.

You don't need family/friends (more drain - no matter how well intended that is), you don't need jobs, you don't need careers, you don't need governments, cars, money, heck, you barely need clothes.

Simplify, simplify, simplify, ..... block it ALL out. feed the machine correctly, clean the machine (body) out, of all contaminants.

Then your avatar, your body, as a construct and window to this place, will begin to be clear enough... that you can find your way there.

I am in my office - your post, Carmody, has me breaking down in tears at the very truth of it - why though the tears? The tears are from the knowing of what our world could be... this very instant, for all if we all simply did as you just described.

Anyways, before someone starts to see me... I gotta pull it together - strange days... indeed, very strange days.

[Chester]

Hi Chester
Tell me what you'r on and where to get it and I won't mention a thing to your mother :)

Well they say that if the mind can think it then it's possible...whether those who control and create the physical world would agree with you is another hurdle to cross.

A physically extinct race's souls are the very souls which are in bodies now...and I can assure you they do not become extinct, as we know the word. A soul does not get placed on a rack in a museum like some people are doing when they freeze their bodies for future science to catch up.
Life is an evolutionary process and that includes every level or state of consciousness (soul). Most of the mundane things we do on earth as part of our living is old hat stuff and we just relearn these things because it is part of the physical mechanism which is separate from the part of us that incarnates. The new stuff is what we are interested in.
We often hear researchers say, "once upon a time there was this highly advanced race living on earth" ... Well, Yes this is true, however the life and soul of these advanced races have now moved on to other experiences as we will also do...and have done.
The younger lives with their younger souls will come after us as well. Already there is evolution taking place which will one day see certain animals species individualize and start their journey of enlightenment...like the dog and the cat and the horse...why do you think they are abundantly being domesticated and living with the humans?
Gotta stop here my mind is starting to run and I will soon not be able to stop and I could just be here all night :)
This is an interesting but complicated subject which cannot be resolved easily with words. It becomes more and more involved...as you open up one door another appears in the distance.
Love to all
Ray

Hi Ray, when I read you post, I realized I made an error in the way I represented my idea... I left out the key word Group - so I have now adjusted the post title as well as my OP text and will explain what I was attempting to convey...

Just as we, in the physical form, sometimes attempt to breed intra-racially so as to preserve a specific race (or sub race if you will) for preservation of that race, why could not that same concept be attempted thus adopted by a planetary guardian race as to their soul group? Basically even their entire planet's "world soul" which would involve all conscious life on their planet?

Some of us are aware of the concept involving the "world soul" and perhaps there's something to it. I am no authority nor pretend to be - I am an explorer of possibility. And I have found all things possible. I have also found that the greater a collective focuses their beliefs in a certain direction, the denser the reality experience becomes for the collective involved.

My point is - if a planet believes in a world soul concept and they desire to "preserve" or maybe we could use the word "save" the soul essence of their world... a world that their scientists are aware is about to experience an inescapable ELE then why not the possibility they might seek to save their world soul? Why waste all the progress made within their collective by getting scattered across a universe and having to go through billions of years of evolution and so forth to once again find your specific group of souls back together again and back at the advanced peace loving state (perhaps) your history shows took you billions of years to achieve in physicality IF, you had the technology to achieve the goal?

I think outside the box, Ray... way outside. And my thinking here has a goal soon to be expressed related to our earthly woes on this lovely blue war planet... so indulge me the open mindedness as I move through this exercise. Its just like Inelia's truth to some extent. It worked for her and as she moves along in her life, I am sure her truth evolves... we can find holes in anyone's expression if we look deep enough, I more look at the deeper intent (well, unless maybe you are David Wilcock who I slammed pretty mercilessly... not a good thing probably), but all I am saying is, let's explore open mindedly all possibility.

Perhaps the realms of the ascended masters is simply one realm in an infinite sea of realms and perhaps the fragment one sees of the likes of someone like me in their chosen realm is all and only that - just a fragment.

Anyways - We all want to help and forums are for sharing views - I would never close my mind to the possibility an ensouled Spirit being (or a group of ensouled Spirit beings) could obtain soul management technology - why not?

Ohhh and my only drug is coffee (for 11 months now) and I limit that to pretty much 6 or 7 cups in the AM - that's it. I also walk a brisk 30 minutes to work each day, 7 days a week.

[Finefeather]

Hi Chester...You seem a little emotional in this reply...have I offended you?


Just as we, in the physical form, sometimes attempt to breed intra-racially so as to preserve a specific race (or sub race if you will) for preservation of that race, why could not that same concept be attempted thus adopted by a planetary guardian race as to their soul group? Basically even their entire planet's "world soul" which would involve all conscious life on their planet?
We need to make sure first that we understand the term 'race'. Off-world races, from an earth point of view, and races of a planet, like earth, in it's current state.
I cannot see how inter-racial breading is going to preserve a race. I did not know we did this with this in mind, my understanding of inter-racial 'breeding' is that we are attempting to uplift the lower races. There is another less considered reason why people like Columbus and Marco Polo searched the world for land to occupy. The British and Dutch invaded many continents and the result of this, from one point of view, is that evolution has proceeded amongst the savage races. My understanding of inter-racial breeding is upliftment and growth...not separation.
We see evidence in history of star races, or more advanced races, coming to earth to uplift the human DNA for improved consciousness...we do the same on this planet...and as evolution of this DNA takes place these older races die off and are discarded. A good example of this is the Bushmen in South Africa who's population has decreased from roughly 300 000 to 50 000 over the last 300 years. The Souls of these Bushmen are now probably incarnating into Aryan bodies they are not in some state of limbo.
So, in a round about way, what you are proposing is actually been done right now it is the way life works. The guardians you mention are highly advanced Beings who know a lot more about saving a race than we will ever know for a very long time. I would prefer to leave it up to them...but there is no harm in dreaming and pretending we know a lot about something we have actually very little idea about.



Some of us are aware of the concept involving the "world soul" and perhaps there's something to it. I am no authority nor pretend to be - I am an explorer of possibility. And I have found all things possible. I have also found that the greater a collective focuses their beliefs in a certain direction, the denser the reality experience becomes for the collective involved.
I do not understand what this concept involving the world soul is about, so cannot comment on this.
All planets have a Logos with a Soul as does everything else that exists. Each 'world soul' is determined by the evolutionary state of the Logos together with the combined and thus aggregated state of all that lives on the planet, including, plant life, animals and human like life.
We are all explorers by nature, it is the innate drive of the ONE life to expand consciousness and evolve...you are doing what all people do in their own little different ways.
A collective mind has life, like everything else, but it could easily be consumed by a stronger life, so whilst all things might be possible, the chances of anything happening depends on the power of the collective initiating the possibility.
We need to understand the boundaries which we might need to cross, or overcome, in order to give birth to our imaginative possibility...and there are many, despite our eagerness to declare ourselves as ONE. We should not forget that the human race is, as is all other races throughout the cosmos, merely a temporary means to an end. Life is about discovery for the purposes of evolution. We do not evolve to discover...we discover and hence evolve.



My point is - if a planet believes in a world soul concept and they desire to "preserve" or maybe we could use the word "save" the soul essence of their world... a world that their scientists are aware is about to experience an inescapable ELE then why not the possibility they might seek to save their world soul? Why waste all the progress made within their collective by getting scattered across a universe and having to go through billions of years of evolution and so forth to once again find your specific group of souls back together again and back at the advanced peace loving state (perhaps) your history shows took you billions of years to achieve in physicality IF, you had the technology to achieve the goal?
Why would we question a planets belief? A planet is what it is because of it's own destiny and desire to serve those who live on it. The life of a planet is a far higher evolved entity than any, lets say human, who lives on it. The lives on a planet do not 'belong' to the planet, it is only the dense physical structure which the planet provides. The Souls of those living on a planet are part of the collective soul group which has decided to make that planet their home...the planet provides the means. We are only 'locked' into a planet's environment because of the agreements we make and the task we are undertaking. In reality we could be looked at as parasites from the planet's point of view but the Logos of the planet, in it's great mercy and service, provides us with her body...this is the true reason why we should love mother earth...but we seek to abuse and destruct her for our own good and she just bears the pain knowing that she is a part of the process of consciousness expansion and Soul upliftment and evolution for the entire creation. One day we too could become a Logos of a planet or even a solar system.
This hype about an ELE which is being alluding to is just man feeling all helpless because of his ignorance of the workings of the cosmos. Do we for one moment believe that the great highly evolved Beings who oversee and plan and guide us on our journey to enlightenment have no idea what is going on, and have not been through this before?
We will be surprised what's really going on...and as Fred always says....”All is well”.
If we spend more time in meditation we will start feeling the power of the love which is been projected in the universe and we will begin to know...not believe.



I think outside the box, Ray... way outside. And my thinking here has a goal soon to be expressed related to our earthly woes on this lovely blue war planet... so indulge me the open mindedness as I move through this exercise. Its just like Inelia's truth to some extent. It worked for her and as she moves along in her life, I am sure her truth evolves... we can find holes in anyone's expression if we look deep enough, I more look at the deeper intent (well, unless maybe you are David Wilcock who I slammed pretty mercilessly... not a good thing probably), but all I am saying is, let's explore open mindedly all possibility.
I have no problem with whoever wants to think outside the box Chester, your life is your own and don't let anyone change your way of thinking...you can do that yourself when you think the time is right. I am merely responding to your post in a way I think is appropriate...and it may not be how others see this...and just as you expect open mindedness from me, so do I from you.
I did noticed that you took offence with my post and so wish to apologise, to you, if you did not read this in the same way as I intended. Many people have told me that my style is too direct, but I do not intend that. We all have our own way of expressing ourselves and I have noticed, for example, that South Africans express quite differently to Americans and maybe you are more used to Americans. I can assure you we are a very friendly nation generally despite our great struggle for years with a minority ruling government. In the end I know we are all brothers and sisters in life and I love all deeply.



Perhaps the realms of the ascended masters is simply one realm in an infinite sea of realms and perhaps the fragment one sees of the likes of someone like me in their chosen realm is all and only that - just a fragment.
The realm of an ascended master is the same realm you and I come from they are just a little further along the path than most. They think and have done exactly what we are doing and their motive is to see love and peace as most of us do. They are our elder brothers and seek only to guide when the need arises...they have their own work cutout for them and I can assure you it is not easy and they certainly do not spend their time sitting on a cloud doing nothing. Every life eventually leads to ascension which is simply a word someone chose to mean moving out of the karmic patterns which we have got ourselves wrapped up in...by our own ignorance and learning curve. So my advice would be to work on our selves first before we can think of trying to save the world...of course you are actually helping to save the world when you save your self.



Anyways - We all want to help and forums are for sharing views - I would never close my mind to the possibility an ensouled Spirit being (or a group of ensouled Spirit beings) could obtain soul management technology - why not?
My take on this is decidedly different to yours purely on the bases that soul management technology, as you term it, is done at a level which is far beyond our small conscious minds. There are Beings in the Cosmos that most of us do not know the slightest thing about and there job is so profoundly deep and complicated that we would not understand it at this stage of our lives if we tried. Only a general idea can be gathered from some ancient writings.



Ohhh and my only drug is coffee (for 11 months now) and I limit that to pretty much 6 or 7 cups in the AM - that's it. I also walk a brisk 30 minutes to work each day, 7 days a week.
You must have known I was pulling your leg here, but I guess it was my fault that you got yourself into a bit of an emotional tangle in the way I responded to your post...I do apologise to you dear friend...I meant no harm. :)

Love to you
Ray

[AwakeInADream]

What might actually be wrong?

I have to ask you, would you truly accept a creative source where "you" whatever and however you define "you" to be... where "you" could ever have some ultimate destruction of whatever "you" are where you did not make the decision (if even you could) to come to an end that some outside agency could so do and do so against your will?

I don't and I won't... even if it kills my eternal soul my possibly incorrect belief.


I had to re-read that sentence quite a few times before I understood what you were asking (and I still might not get it).

I think my answer is no.

I also think that it is impossible to destroy 'who I am' or 'who you are' in essence,
but that many people (including myself) suffer from the illusion that 'who we are' can be destroyed.

I know that my belief system is faulty, because it changes over time. A belief can never be knowledge.

I think it is an important excercise to entertain the belief systems and thought possibilities of others, because a belief, even if faulty will still shape and create the physical reality we are all a part of.
So the more ideological possibilities we can accept as true (even if all beliefs are false),
the more choices we have within this illusionary game we are all playing.

That's why I value your input, and take the time to try to understand what you are saying.

I think your ability to 'point of view hop', is an excellent skill to possess, rather like running different software on your 'machine'.



Perhaps the realms of the ascended masters is simply one realm in an infinite sea of realms and perhaps the fragment one sees of the likes of someone like me in their chosen realm is all and only that - just a fragment.


I've often thought about the span of a mans life as spending 80 or so years
worrying about death, and then finally to die and to realize that the Souls existence hasn't been snuffed out.

Then comes celebration!, like at the end of the film 'It's A Wonderful Life',
you find yourself running through the streets of Heaven, greeting everybody with love,
"Merry Christmas!" what a thrill it is to still be sentient!

I often take this thought further, thinking about the physical life and all that needless fear,
and then I start to think, what if all of these Souls in the afterlife, after their initial
celebration start to wonder about their futures, when they realize that after a certain amount of time, even people in Heaven seem to disappear into a realm, you know not where.

Then the fear begins again, not of physical death, but of the death of the Soul.

That's a rather morbid thought that I sometimes have, but hopefully it will turn out to be false just like all of my others.

I'm hoping that time won't be a factor in the afterlife, and without time there is
no past and no future, therefore no death.

Anyway, I think that what I'm trying to say is that, yes it's totally feasible
that a group of Souls should seek the technology to preserve themselves
as a group, but that their efforts would probably be in vain since they would still be
suffering from the illusion of death.

I admit that I may have misunderstood this thread, and as such may be talking utter nonsense.

[Chester]

Hi Ray - yes, I definitely got a little emotional, but no way you can ever offend me for may reasons but especially these two - I love everyone and every once in awhile forget I am one of those everyone and two, you, personally have been one of the very best, straight shooting teachers I ever encountered - my gratitude can never be expressed in words.

Sadly... the frustrations you perceived come mostly from my inability to correctly communicate clearly sometimes. So I will back up a bit and ask that you consider not taking my words too literally and instead try and see the metaphor I am trying to portray.

So I need to lay down my foundation of how I believe reality works so that then it might be better understood as to what I meant when I used terms such as "race."

I believe I am God, the Creator, God, the manifested realms and God, the individual explorer within those realms. I believe this is true for every expression of creation. I believe that each and every manifestation of creation eventually achieves consciousness of "it"self as a finite expression amongst an infinite number of changing expressions. We sometimes call this, self awareness.

And then I suspect various expressions of self awareness could perceive themselves as a grouping and this grouping I happened to be referring to when I used the word "race." I did not mean the word to be limited to a species of being or various shades of a being... but meant it more simply to suggest a collective that was self aware, that had achieved a degree of understanding that those within their group were a specific collective or sub group within the whole of all creative expression where they as a group had developed a group identity that could be defined as "beings from a specific planet."

I perceived this group to be the most advanced sub group on this specific imaginary planet where they felt a guardianship role to do their very best to preserve their planet where "their planet" includes all life on their planet as well as the planet itself.

But that their technology revealed to them that a geophysical event was imminent where their planet was going to be (likely) destroyed. In this particular case of my imaginative story this particular civilization did not have advanced space travel such that they could "Noah's Ark" all life upon and within their planet to safety and that they knew this was the case. Of course, this also includes the very life of the planet herself which, for me... and for my imaginative story, is itself a conscious expression of the All that Is and thus also a part of this "collective" or "grouping" or "planetary race."

And so, with all that in mind, I simply suggested the idea that if I were faced with this and I so loved my planet and all the life that had sprung up upon it and that my metaphysical experience was deeply connected with the "collective soul" of my planet, I might consider if there might be the possibility to isolate all "souls" on my planet such that "we" as this specific, finite collective might find a way to preserve our "soul group," entrust it into the hands of a few trusted members of the specific guardian "race" or "species"... whatever word you may want to use for this sub-group... such that our group soul may be able to spring forth in some other location at some future time somewhere within our galaxy or another place within our vast universe.

That was all I was presenting.

And because I believe in all possibility and because I do not restrict myself to just one specific paradigm, I thought this idea was interesting to consider.

I also do not feel the idea is original as because there is a parallel between the Superman from the comic books and then some of the Superman movies that had a similar idea yet with only one "survivor" which is Superman.

I then thought more about Enochian legend and considered the possibility that the 200 "angels" that "fell to earth" (again... please see this as metaphor and not literally) might be a variation of this same theme.

I then take the idea to the next step that for the "collective world soul" of this now extinct civilization could spring forth, even at the level where each and every living being at the moment the planet I am speaking of was destroyed might be able to incarnate at the same exact coordinates of each individual expression's "soul journey" on their new home planet and yet to get there, they had to endure a re-incarnative routine such that each soul can reform into its complete and whole state as it was when their planet was destroyed. By doing this... if managed properly, the entire collective might awaken to itself both individually and collectively experiencing a good memory of their actual past planetary experiences.

This does not mean I am implying this is the case for Earth today, I was simply allowing my imagination to... imagine.

So I sent you, Ray, down the wrong rabbit hole.

I want you to know, Ray, that I can imagine that someone who has spent decades in advanced Astral Work such as you have would be extremely confident of the reality of the realms you have visited and that there is the hierarchy such as you have been exposed to and that there is a being that you met (perhaps many) but one in particular who you shared with me about in our private exchanges thus I will keep this being private as revealing who this is is not for me to do... but what was quite interesting is that you shared this with me and I knew exactly who you were referring to and most folks would say, "who?"

Apologies, I drifted... but my point is this - I believe in all possibility. I believe that each of us creates our own universe - indeed we are each a universe onto ourselves (and more...) and that what appears "real" when two or more conscious beings get together is that third place their very getting together creates... the meeting place... their "material realm" which is to me, simply a co-created illusory world where the two beings are able to be in relationship. It is a trick God plays on Itself that allows It to experience Itself through its various expressions which you and I are just each one.

So taking this to the next level, if three or more beings come together in relationship, they co-create that "realm" within which they perceive each other. As more and more expressions of the One, the Creator... Source... aka God meet each other in relationship, the denser the realm becomes where they meet. Newer, younger expressions of the One come forth in the vast sea of all possibility and might encounter this realm and chose to explore it, or not. Some expressions may come forth within the realm. It should become clear that as extension of Creation moves away from its singularity, all sorts of possibility can manifest and can manifest in denser and denser forms of expression.

This, to me, is why some folks (sometimes labeled Buddhists) say, "It's all illusion." From the perspective of Creation prior to its first creative movement... yes, it all can be understood to be illusion. From the perspective of Chester who just got over a nasty flu, it was and is no illusion and not only that, but for a few days it sucked. But mostly... and I speak only for myself - It is Life!

And I love Life (today) and sadly, I am quite preoccupied that each and every one of us (you decide if that includes you (not You, Ray... meant this to any reader)) has no unnecessary suffering. Perhaps I am still firmly in the grip of a mantis character... a Horus-Ra entity - and that I am implanted by physical beings from earth, physical beings not from earth, inter-dimensional beings and on and on... but I found out one secret to living that I doubt no matter how much any entity outside myself tries to control me that as long as I apply this secret, I can never, ever be controlled - and that is to accept and revel in who/what I am as I know myself to be and that is this -

I am a perfect child of creation, immortal (if I want to remain so) and eternal (though I do not have to explore all within all possibility).

I remain absolutely and completely and fully honest with myself to the very best of my ability.

That I eliminate as much attachment to anything that I possibly can.

That I rely solely upon my own personal experience.

That I remain fully open minded to all possibility.

That I strive that each and every emanation from my being which are my thoughts, my words and writings and my deeds have only one intention and that is to be in positive, right relationship with all and All.

There it is... all summed up in just 5 or 6 sentences.

Life is now quite simple for me and I hope I have many more years to experience more life within this lifetime.

I will soon be posting an approach to the issue (yes, for me this is an issue because I "feel" it) - the issue of what is known as Satanic Human (and animal) Ritual Sacrifice and Satanic Ritual Abuse.

I firmly believe that if we, the living expressions of this One Source, can collectively transcend this practice and relegate the practice to nothing more than history books, we accomplish the following -

we end war

we eliminate the food supply for the beings behind the PTBs (the practitioners of the SRH&AS and SRA)

we eliminate the entire "soul farming" or "soul harvesting" operations

we free the collective soul of Mother Earth and all of us who depend on her

and this can be done

as it is a possibility within all possibility. Love to All - justonebook

[Chester]

What might actually be wrong?

I have to ask you, would you truly accept a creative source where "you" whatever and however you define "you" to be... where "you" could ever have some ultimate destruction of whatever "you" are where you did not make the decision (if even you could) to come to an end that some outside agency could so do and do so against your will?

I don't and I won't... even if it kills my eternal soul my possibly incorrect belief.


I had to re-read that sentence quite a few times before I understood what you were asking (and I still might not get it).

I think my answer is no.

I also think that it is impossible to destroy 'who I am' or 'who you are' in essence,
but that many people (including myself) suffer from the illusion that 'who we are' can be destroyed.

I know that my belief system is faulty, because it changes over time. A belief can never be knowledge.

I think it is an important excercise to entertain the belief systems and thought possibilities of others, because a belief, even if faulty will still shape and create the physical reality we are all a part of.
So the more ideological possibilities we can accept as true (even if all beliefs are false),
the more choices we have within this illusionary game we are all playing.

That's why I value your input, and take the time to try to understand what you are saying.

I think your ability to 'point of view hop', is an excellent skill to possess, rather like running different software on your 'machine'.



Perhaps the realms of the ascended masters is simply one realm in an infinite sea of realms and perhaps the fragment one sees of the likes of someone like me in their chosen realm is all and only that - just a fragment.


I've often thought about the span of a mans life as spending 80 or so years
worrying about death, and then finally to die and to realize that the Souls existence hasn't been snuffed out.

Then comes celebration!, like at the end of the film 'It's A Wonderful Life',
you find yourself running through the streets of Heaven, greeting everybody with love,
"Merry Christmas!" what a thrill it is to still be sentient!

I often take this thought further, thinking about the physical life and all that needless fear,
and then I start to think, what if all of these Souls in the afterlife, after their initial
celebration start to wonder about their futures, when they realize that after a certain amount of time, even people in Heaven seem to disappear into a realm, you know not where.

Then the fear begins again, not of physical death, but of the death of the Soul.

That's a rather morbid thought that I sometimes have, but hopefully it will turn out to be false just like all of my others.

I'm hoping that time won't be a factor in the afterlife, and without time there is
no past and no future, therefore no death.

Anyway, I think that what I'm trying to say is that, yes it's totally feasible
that a group of Souls should seek the technology to preserve themselves
as a group, but that their efforts would probably be in vain since they would still be
suffering from the illusion of death.

I admit that I may have misunderstood this thread, and as such may be talking utter nonsense.

This post is fantastic as you actually took the bait and went deeper... Thank You - what if even a soul could "end" its journey... what may we still have left? If we consider "components" as proposed by Dr. Malanga, he distinguishes the Spirit from the "soul." Now I cannot define what a soul is for anyone else, but if we consider your post above and compare the set of lifetimes experienced by a single soul... perhaps there are multiple "soul" experiences a Spirit might have.

Imagine if the Creator "itself" had layers upon infinite layers of being and that there are levels between Spirit and this one all encompassing creative source.

So a Spirit being might live (for example) a 1,000 lifetimes within the life of one of that Spirit being's "soul" experiences... and that same Spirit being might have 1,000 soul experiences, and thus perhaps there's another grouping of soul experiences within a specific Spirit beings entirety of experience and on and on. Infinity goes both ways, there is infinite outward and as we find through science, they keep discovering smaller and smaller parts to what makes up single atom. Creation is mind blowing IMO.

And so as you suggested, what if there is "soul death" - then I would suggest two things at least... one is (as just proposed) why could there not be many soul lifetimes within some larger grouping and why couldn't there be an even larger grouping of this soul grouping and on and on. The second thing is... as in physical death for some of us - we sometimes simply "give up the ghost" as they say. In fact, there's multiple documented examples of where yogis would invite their close ones to their physical death and they would simply say their last goodbyes and then, in a meditative state... suddenly "die."

A choice... not something "that happened to them."

Why could not a soul also choose to leave its own soul experience and perhaps enter into a new soul experience - a complex of soul incarnations.

I am a why not kinda guy. I like being open to all possibility. In fact, though I prefer not to talk about it much, I find myself at times in full symphonic unison with all that arises in my awareness including the voices in my head as to the words they speak. I wonder if this is like blowing water up the snorkel of those who may have implanted me like some of us kids did to others in the swimming pool when young? haha

I just don't accept anyone's specific paradigm along the lines of the Ascended Masters, Madame Blavatsky or the more benign Alice Bailey as the only possibility within a multiverse of paradigms within all possibility though, as I clearly stated, that specific paradigm might be the densest one in town and thus "feel" more real.

I am of the "its all real and none of it is real" school of ultimate paradox -

or maybe we can look at a quintality - Both and neither and either one and all in between.

Here are some quotes from Ray that I want to address -


The realm of an ascended master is the same realm you and I come from they are just a little further along the path than most. They think and have done exactly what we are doing and their motive is to see love and peace as most of us do.

Is it possible "I" (whatever I actually am) might be from outside that realm with one foot in this physical realm we share and thus it cannot be said I am from that realm? Also, who judges who is further along and along what scale and where is the destination that scale is supposed to lead one? I feel I arrived awhile ago.


My take on this is decidedly different to yours purely on the bases that soul management technology, as you term it, is done at a level which is far beyond our small conscious minds.

Clearly no one can suggest how vast (or small) anyone else's conscious mind might be, I find this view elitist and no, I am not at this moment emotional about it... I feel like I am pointing something out to a child and the child has their choice to agree or not - doesn't matter to me (I did not mean You, Ray... I meant this to whatever slice of thought inspired your written words there). I hear things from some of the youngest physical beings among us some of the most mind blowing things... way past any conscious thought that ever came out of me. I would never group the living beings on this planet into something characterized as "our small conscious minds."

That previous post of mine that Ray suggested involved some emotion very well did. These last few comments directed to all but with Ray's words in mind do not contain emotion.

I guess I went to the school of the Wachowski brothers...




I know you're out there. I can feel you now.

I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us.

You're afraid of change.

I don't know the future.

I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.

I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you.

A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible.

Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I decide my own paradigm and it can change any time I want it to. The world of the Ascended Masters is, for some, a world of deception - a world where Spirit beings are fooled - for example see Truman Cash's most recent take on the matter -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions&p=599472&viewfull=1#post599472

Who might then be "right"? Ray? Truman?

Is there a different truth somewhere in between that is right? Perhaps a truth outside either of these views that is "right?"

I see I live on a war planet and a planet that easily has the ability to deliver human decency to each and every of the 7 billion human inhabitants and to ensure all life on Earth receives basic respect but we don't do that.

Something is wrong. If the Ascended Masters were such cool folks and could be so helpful to this planet and the life that lives upon and within it, then how come this planet is still nothing but a war planet? If I were an ascended master I wouldn't appear to a few in their minds or in their astral travels alone while on and on senseless suffering occurs.

So let's say they know more than I know and there's some wonderful divine plan and that one day "I" (this specific Spirit being that manifests as Chester in this particular lifetime) "understand" it all... I can sure as hell guarantee you that I will go right up into the face of the so called master planner and let "it" know "it" needs to go back to the drawing board because what is going on on Earth at this time is simply and unequivocally unacceptable.

We can do a hell of a lot better than this and knowing that makes a case for Truman's view IMO.

I hope "they" wanna meet me tonight when I go astral and I will be glad to pass them my same message!

Hahaha Hows that for having some fun on a Saturday evening in San Jose while they blow up Paseo Colon? Love to you, AwakeInADream and Ray and All... Chester

[ThePythonicCow]

my emerging "scientific self" said it should be posted in Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact"
Your emerging scientific self has just spoken to me by PM (hopefully he informed you he was doing so) and requested that I move this thread to the "Ufology, Extraterrestrial Contact" sub-forum.

Thus it has been so moved :).

[Finefeather]

Hi Chester

Chester's Post here...
Thanks for your reply...what you have written is actually exactly as I perceived your OP. So not to worry I was not that deep into the rabbit hole as you might think. :)
I have learnt to stay a little at bay when presented with any theory and always take some time to let it mingle with my known experience and teaching before I attempt a reply.
I know you better than you might believe, and I feel your heart as I do with all who are concerned with the upliftment of humanity and especially the blossoming and fulfilment of the Plan.
I do not feel it necessary and even of any benefit to comment on your thoughts in your last post, it is good to exercise our minds, so I will just spend a few moments in a general way.

The most important thing for us, as incarnated Spiritual Beings, is to become aware and conscious of who and what we are. By this realisation we take on a different view of life with it's many struggles and conflicts...things start to appear less personal, and take on a new meaning. The things that we may see today as being resisting our enlightenment slowly start becoming challenges and a means to growth...and not challenges to avoid and eliminate. We start realising the nature of our conflicts and fears as part of our own failings, and lack of knowledge...and not as part of some scheme to destroy us...life starts to take on a new meaning altogether.

Whilst we are still in the stage of becoming aware of our true natures we are still in conflict with what we see as adversary...and I hear and see many animal like and historically passed down, aggressive, solutions to problems which in real analyses are a result of our own failing to analyse our own way of life, and our own attitudes, and our own desires, and our own state of awareness.
Some think they have found a so called higher Spiritual understanding of life and proceed to act in ways where they believe they have all the answers and more than often their answers and teaching is just a product of their own unrecognised, deep seated fear, arrogance and ignorance...they believe but they do not know...they have hope but they have no plan.

Each of us, no matter what our perceived status, has got something to give to life, and something to get out of life. We are an organism which depends on the whole and this is usually not understood by the self confessed so called enlightened individual.
True enlightenment means a total sacrifice of the self, a total commitment to the whole and the total cessation of all self desire...you become a true server and a true server does not serve selectively...he serves all. All Beings are seen as one... all conflict is seen as 2 sides of the same coin and, perceived good and perceive bad become reality and necessary.
Love to You
Ray

[markpierre]

Nice try Chester. That won't get you off the hook.

[Chester]

Nice try Chester. That won't get you off the hook.

hahahaha - and I have been wiggling and squirming madly too!

damn, I hate it when you do this to me "markpierre"

[Chester]

True enlightenment means a total sacrifice of the self, a total commitment to the whole and the total cessation of all self desire...you become a true server and a true server does not serve selectively...he serves all. All Beings are seen as one... all conflict is seen as 2 sides of the same coin and, perceived good and perceive bad become reality and necessary.
Love to You
Ray

Great post - I am realized but don't pretend to be enlightened. As I move further along on my own journey (as opposed to someone's path - whether that someone is "God" or "a God" "or some pretender, King of the Hill and that wanna call it divine) there can be no acceptable explanation that "i" my core Spiritual being will ever accept with regards to what I know for a fact is occurring on this planet while most simply stick their head in the sand. What bugs me the most is folks who "know" beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that some of our human family are born on this planet at this very time for the sole purpose of becoming a human sacrifice and in the very most horrific ways. Besides what we do to animals... how we have evolved where we go to some grocery store and buy "meat" off the shelf with no regard for the process that occurs in getting it there... what happens to the animals in this process.

Accept that as a part of some "divine plan"? Seriously Ray? Let's get direct here - is that acceptable to you? If not, draw a line where it should be... I would rather be all alone in my position and find out one day I am totally and completely wrong about my position than pretend otherwise.

These two dynamics do not reconcile - I am currently off my pink cloud (as I mentioned would probably one day occur after I discovered I am a quantum being) - why? Because with the hyper psi abilities I have now taken to a higher level of my being, I "feel" the screams of those who are being ripped apart while alive and in the most horrific ways. I don't bypass the lower astral and pretend its not there OR pretend I am helping the situation by performing healing work through the astral (alone).

I am confronting the issue here in 3D physicality as this is at least one of the actual battlegrounds.

observer may end up being the rightest at the end of the day about this all. And some of my Gnostic friends may be right about this at the end of the day, that transcendence of this dense, material, physical realm (individually) is the only way to escape the fact that there's a nightmare going on in the midst of a bigger dream, but this nightmare... that it can occur is acceptable to me only under one condition and that is that the participants at some level of their being "choose it" as an experience.

As of today, I am not accepting that this is fully, 100% the case.

Something is not right - maybe just me... I won't stop in seeking the answer to this question myself - even if it destroys all my souls, all my "beings" in any form, my "Spirit" whole and unified and any of my components ununified.

Anyways - I can't wait for the moment I can confront one or more or all of those Ascended Masters because this ain't right - this does not reconcile at all whatsoever.

[Chester]

for the sake of simplicity ill break up astral entities that siphon energy off people into 4 classes.

Lesser elemental beings

Like the parasites/bacteria that exist in a persons intestinal system, there are elemental beings that siphon off energy from a human that operate in a similar way a Remora fish siphons food off of sharks and other sea creatures. These types of elementals are not malevolent in intent, they are simply living there lives as they are meant to, feeding off life and playing their role in as they should in there own course of development. Sometimes there presence can be beneficial, as they can siphon off any excess energy that would cause health problems if not properly balanced in your field. Virtually everyone has some of these critters attached to them at one point or another, when removed they should not be harmed, as they are not highly intelligent and have no concept of what a human being is.

earthbound humans

People who have lost their spiritual identity and cling to life and the pleasures they associate with it. Usually the po/ body intelligence has become too strong while they were alive and has dominated the motivations, and perspective of the individual into a entirely materialistic view. Usually the individual will have some sort of addiction and will siphon off energy from people in the flesh that have the same addiction. Also in this class, but extremely rare is the black magician who tries to strengthen the po to give immortality to the lower self, and will practice some form of vampirism to replenish its energy. All the old tales of vampires and ghouls fall into this class.

Negative Lower astral entities

A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.


Gods

Gods that feed off the life and control those who are less powerful and intelligent than they are. this is somewhat beyond me but i have had run in's with forms of evil beyond my comprehension. I think this picture sort of gives you a idea.

Saturn devours his children

http://lytle-mythologicalallusions.wikispaces.com/file/view/Saturn_devouring_his_son/229395224/Saturn_devouring_his_son


Since most people are in one state or another of psychic development, except of course, Republicans, most people are vulnerable to these attacks, though they may not know it.

There is Zero acceptable about this practice - depicted at the very least metaphorically but, according to my "research" occurs on earth at this time and according to my 6th sense and third eye, occurs on earth at this time and according to the research of hundreds if not thousands of good hearted, well intended and psychologically whole individuals, something is "not right in River City."

[Chester]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit/page116

The "Boss" and "Meduza"


although, it seems that no one archon works completely independently on human beings. There seems to be a hierarchy there and a common agenda?!

Interesting... "hierarchy" - the word "archon" seems eerily similar to "-archy"

"Ascended Masters" - a lovely hierarchy as well - where "innocents" get their "karma" all worked out where, in the process they have the opportunity to have their living heart ripped out through their chest and devoured in front of their own eyes while still for the moment very much alive - and done so by fellow "humans" and/or beings we might not call human or at least only human... beings that just moments before they may have trusted.

What a lovely divine plan! How lovely.

WoW! I should have thought of this... its so cool... I love divine plans such as this!


Something just does not reconcile - forgive me for being honest about my opinion.

[markpierre]

Nice try Chester. That won't get you off the hook.

hahahaha - and I have been wiggling and squirming madly too!

damn, I hate it when you do this to me "markpierre"

Relax. You haven't been naughty.

Behind Crazy Chester, behind the implanted pawn called Chester. Behind the 'this n that' Chester,
behind all the shiny masks of Chester that Chester has ever worn, the one impossible thing, that you still have to face,
is the beautiful Chester.

They're all exactly the same guy, as far as I can tell.

[Chester]

Ray, perhaps coffee as well should be placed on the "Controlled Substances" list... haha